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This is a crossover Urban Fantasy RPG containing characters from the Nasuverse and many other universes as well, but as long as it fits into an Urban Fantasy section.
What is Urban Fantasy you ask? Well it is rather awesome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy), but its fantasy takes place in an "Urban" environment such as a city. Think along the lines of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Jim Butcher's The Dresden Files and Fate and Tsukhime are actually classified as Urban Fantasy too.
Also, I would ask no Aliens. I want this to be more supernatural than science bent.
The Basic Story is this: For some reason a sort of Nexus City (we will need a name for it) has popped up in a pocket dimension, pulling things from other worlds randomly around with it. In this city you can see the Statue of Liberty at the bay, but in the center of the city is Tokyo Tower. The City is a huge, sprawling metropolis. Like all cities it also has its dark underbelly as well. Think of the City as the obese child of Metropolis and Gotham and you'd be half way there.
The City is full of factions and alliances of its own. Normal people are sort of aware of the supernatural goings on in the city but they don't speak of them. Mainly because they don't have the means to deal with magic users, vampires, werewolves, Servants, and the like. They try to go on with normal life as much as possible. Business is thriving in The City, the economy is good, and there aren't that many homeless people out there (they've gotten eaten).
Now, your character(s) have gotten pulled into this vast, dark city and are forced to survive. There are those who want to help you. There are others who would want to use and abuse you. There are others that would simply eat your face.
At the time, there is no "Big Bad" in this RPG except maybe the City itself. This is about survival and building a life. Now there will be fights. A lot of the members of the supernatural community are either ancient warriors or predators there will be combat.
I want this to be an ongoing RP, and this is the first RP I've ran. Character deaths will by the character's player. If you want your character to die, that's fine, but I want this RP to be about interaction, world building, and characterization.
Rules
1.) Treat Other Players With Respect.
2.) Thou Shall Not Meta Game Or Godmode. If you have knowledge that your character could not possibly have, don't give it to them without a reasonable explanation. There will not be any Godmoding here either. You will get smote, and smote hard.
Also, do not control another person's character. This means if you say, "Character X punched Character B." You would stop right there and give the other player time to respond. DO NOT say, "Character X punched Character B, and Character B went down like the little bitch he is." You give the other player a chance to respond. Hell, Character B could be a master martial artist who could block the punch and pull the other character in an arm lock in retaliation while Character X is just some Normal Dude.
This also means that you cannot kill off another person's character without their expressed permission. If I find out that anyone kills off anyone that wasn't suppose to die I am within my rights, as GM, to either penalize you, throw you out of the game, or remove of one of your characters out of the game as I see fit.
3.) Show, Don't Tell. Or rather demonstrate, don't explain. Some times info dumps are needed, but if your character is a smart ass bad ass, show them being a smart ass bad ass. Don't just say they are, back up your claims, and that also means no having other characters who don't know the one character suddenly talk about your character being the smart bad ass without reason to do so. I want this to be a fairly well written RPG.
4.) Give other players time to respond. Now sometimes two players will go on a tangent with themselves. It's expected and can be fun, and if their interaction is separate from most everyone its fine. Plus it would be expected in a love scene between two characters. Now if there is an event and other people are trying to catch up slow down. Like if a group of players are fighting something, and one of them has trouble catching up, give them time to respond.
However if a character does not reply within a 24 hour period, I apologize, but we will be forced to move without them. Don't worry, we won't kill your character and we'll say they did something neat during the conflict so they're not a mook.
5.) This is an Adult RP. Adult things will happen, such as relationships and sex. There will be erotic content in this RP. If you're not comfortable with that, do not join or just say so and anything that could happen with your characters will happen "off screen".
6.) Nine Characters are Allowed Per Player. Character cap was upped. I still may allow more later.
7.) Since this is a Multi-Dimensional RP, multiple versions of one character will be allowed, but only one per player and only three versions of one character allowed at a time. So that means Player C can play as Mind of Steel Shirou where everything went Grimderp and he let Rin kill Sakura, but that is the only version of Shirou he can play. Player A can play Fate Shirou who is following his dream. Player B can play Heaven's Feel Normal End Shirou who is Sakura's house husband. For the purposes of this RP Emiya Shirou and EMIYA Archer are separate characters. So there can be three Shirous and three Archers.
8.) No Aliens. Batman and Wonder Woman are fine. The Martian Manhunter and Superman are not. Or rather Arcueid and Alucard (both Castlevanyia and Hellsing versions) are fine, but most of the Cast of Dragonball Z is out. Partially because I want the level of tech in this RP to be about what it is now for ease and two I don't like vampires and aliens mixing. Too weird.
Character Template
Name:
Race:
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Eyes:
Hair:
Appearance:
Charisma:
Strength:
Agility:
Speed:
Magic Resistance:
Magic Ability:
Other Abilities:
Origin:
Weakness:
Likes:
Dislikes:
As for the scale, I think the Alphabetical scale from FSN would work. And there would be other abilities such as Regeneration, Telepathy etc to add if your character needs it.
So this would be the sign up and discussion thread as well. I'll have the Character Sheet and actual RP threads up in their section shortly.
Players and Their Characters
Elf
Forest - Vampire
Dark Archer (Alternate HF route) - Corrupted Servant
Lancer (Post UBW route, but he was made a living boy again for the RP due to Nexus shenanigans.) -Celtic Demi-God and Manwhore
Angel - Vampire with a Soul
Lady Wynn Noreen Umbra - Faerie Noble
Gabriel L. Umbra - Faerie/Incubus Hybrid.
Alice:
Hakuno Kishinami (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2526.html#msg2526) - Fate/Extra and CCC's protagonist, moe mistress of the heart's secrets. ...Just not in the Nexus.
Archer (Nameless Hero) (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2564.html#msg2564)- He who is EMIYA but who also is not. Hakuno's Servant.
Tohsaka Rin (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2767.html#msg2767) - Young, talented gem magus and master of thigh highs. And also her troll of a magical girl rod who swiftly abandoned her.
Mille Garrison (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2766.html#msg2766)- A young magus specialized with runes, fire, and bounded fields. Expect little variation. Also has shonen anime/manga levels of stubbornness and determination.
Finn Garrison (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2765.html#msg2765) - Freelance magus/mercenary who's far too nice and optimistic for his own good. Is weaker than most everyone else present in terms of raw power, so mostly useful for moral support.
Tohsaka Ryoko (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg6707.html#msg6707) - Dark Archer and Rin's daughter from the future. Is generally friendly and casual, but can have a bit of a cruel streak. Likes kicking things.
Thomas Hale (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg6708.html#msg6708) - Pretty boy psychic of great power that isn't a fan of humanity. Is also secretly a cat monster thing.
Rei Blackwell (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9482.html#msg9482) - Alchemist and Machinist with a passion for inventing, robots, and explosions. Has a tendency towards unintentional property damage.
Cherry Lover[/u]
Rider- Servant of Emiya Sakura
Kiyoshi- Wunderkind child of Emiya Shirou and Sakura
Ayakashi
- Caster (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg12914.html#msg12914) (Tamamo No Mae) - Different from F/E's Tamamo.
YOLF
Sir Bonesington (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8183.html#msg8183) - Dapper Lich (Warcraft)
Fate Averruncus (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8352.html#msg8352) - Mage Construct (Mahou Sensei Negima)
Anub'Zahar (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8515.html#msg8515) - Traumatized Crypt Lord (Warcraft)
Maximillian 'Max' Achterberg (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9389.html#msg9389) - Kindred Vampire Agent (World Of Darkness)
Kassadin (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9627.html#msg9627) - Void-tainted Human (League Of Legends)
Ketsumoto Uchiten (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg10283.html#msg10283) - Evil Spirit Onmyouji
Monarch (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11116.html#msg11116) - Butterfly Changeling Gangster (Shadowrun)
Fuu Dawnstrider (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11985.html#msg11985) - Adventuring Tauren Shaman (Warcraft)
Tân Gwyllt (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg12590.html#msg12590) - Demon formed from composite myth
Mooncake
'Lucas Klein'- Unknown
Wanderer - Horseman
Arch-Magos Winter
Doomrider - He does COCAINE
Lawrence Frisvold & the Redheaded Driver - A Sin Eater and his Geist
Raul - Demon, his own master now
Jack - Gangrel private investigator who's not in the best of moods
Tywin - Scion of Tyr
Brianna - Ghoul of Jack
Daiki[/u]
Mordred - Bloody bastard.
Nessa - Jack's former snack.
Kyle - Werewolf lurker.
Milbunk
Downy Reed
Imnity of the White Book
Lobelia Reed
Mudou the Betrayer
Shezar the Assassin's Blade
Medea (Caster)
Ivan The Mouse
Rattus von Engels - Immortal Businessman
Jan Neo Langraad - Immortal Slacker
Yukina Aikawa - Immortal Engineer
Lantzblades
Satoshi- Son of Saber and Shirou
Sakura- Daughter of Rin and Archer
Saber Alter
Tohsaka Rin from the future
Fem!Avenger
Emiya Taiga- Daughter of Saber and Shirou
Connor McRemietz- Son of Lancer and Bazett
James Macaroy- Paper Spy
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Well, I'm definitely interested in this. I'm going to reserve a Sakura, a Shirou and a Rider for now, along with a couple of OCs. I'll post the profiles later, when I've written them properly.
It's the same characters as I used on the old forum, but I need to get their character sheets together first.
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Reserving Archer and Hakuno-chan for myself, though I'm not sure who else I'm going to take just yet. Looking forward to this though~ ;D
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Hmm... reminds me that I need to be more active in this forum, and that I need to join the RP for once, or something.
Yeah, I'll be joining this properly, at least this time.
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OK, I've posted my second character, which is Sakura and Shirou's youngest son. Any comments would be appreciated.
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I think 11 is young for his skill level to be frank
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In what way do you mean?
If you look at how magi work in FSN, they do seem to be powerful at a rather young age. Rin was able to fight to some extent even at the age of five. So, I don't think having an eleven-year-old who is the child of a very powerful magus and who has someone who is well on her way to becoming a True Magician helping train him be capable of fighting to the extent Kiyoshi can is unreasonable.
If you mean his stats, then I'm defining them in comparison to the average 11-year-old. Otherwise he would obviously have all rank D and E, and that wouldn't be very informative.
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Normally sure but shirou and Sakura aren't normal magi
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Normally sure but shirou and Sakura aren't normal magi
Yes, and? Rin certainly is, and she will be around pretty often (if not outright living with them, I'm not 100% sure on that yet). She's not going to be living in London in this, not any more.
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Fair enough I guess but run shouldn't be able to teach the primary power he has
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Fair enough I guess but run shouldn't be able to teach the primary power he has
I assume you mean Rin :P
If so, not really, no, but she and Sakura are both smart enough to help him understand it, and what he does with it isn't that advanced.
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Wait...if I remember correctly, Rin couldn't even make it past Caster's familiar in the novel before having to be rescued by Kariya. Even in the anime she didn't do much; all she accomplished was repeat her training blunder to overload Uryuu's charm, before getting cornered by the aforementioned familiar. Rin had potential, but she wasn't exactly skillful at that age (she was still in training, after all).
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Wait...if I remember correctly, Rin couldn't even make it past Caster's familiar in the novel before having to be rescued by Kariya. Even in the anime she didn't do much; all she accomplished was repeat her training blunder to overload Uryuu's charm, before getting cornered by the aforementioned familiar. Rin had potential, but she wasn't exactly skillful at that age (she was still in training, after all).
Yes, but Rin was six at that time, Kiyoshi is 12. There is a massive difference in competency between a six-year-old and a 12-year-old.
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If you look at how magi work in FSN, they do seem to be powerful at a rather young age. Rin was able to fight to some extent even at the age of five. So, I don't think having an eleven-year-old...
I was referring to this. You also managed to age them both up. :P
I'm also of the idea that after HF, Sakura and Shirou would try to live a normal life, rather than train their kids like magi would do. Especially after their experiences with magi. So, having that amount of skill at that age is a bit jarring.
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If you look at how magi work in FSN, they do seem to be powerful at a rather young age. Rin was able to fight to some extent even at the age of five. So, I don't think having an eleven-year-old...
I was referring to this.
I did say "to some extent"....
You also managed to age them both up. :P
Lol, yeah, I got Rin wrong the first time and Kiyoshi wrong the second time....
I'm also of the idea that after HF, Sakura and Shirou would try to live a normal life, rather than train their kids like magi would do. Especially after their experiences with magi. So, having that amount of skill at that age is a bit jarring.
I don't think they have much of a choice in the matter. Sakura's sister is close to being a true magus and they have a magical familiar. They can't hide magic from their kids for any significant period, and Sakura isn't the sort of person to stop them doing something they want to do. Plus, they do need to be able to defend theirselves sometimes, and Sakura would rather give them the tools to do so.
Not all of Sakura's kids are mages, though, one of them is living a normal life. Ultimately it is their choice. But, Sakura and Shirou would want them to be able to make that choice for theirselves, and to be honest to them about their abilities.
However, they are certainly not normal magi. They would be closer to what Shirou is pre-FSN. A magic user, without all the Association bullshit. That isn't something which really causes them any harm, it's not fundamentally any different from learning a martial art.
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I don't think they have much of a choice in the matter. Sakura's sister is close to being a true magus and they have a magical familiar. They can't hide magic from their kids for any significant period, and Sakura isn't the sort of person to stop them doing something they want to do. Plus, they do need to be able to defend theirselves sometimes, and Sakura would rather give them the tools to do so.
Not all of Sakura's kids are mages, though, one of them is living a normal life. Ultimately it is their choice. But, Sakura and Shirou would want them to be able to make that choice for theirselves, and to be honest to them about their abilities.
However, they are certainly not normal magi. They would be closer to what Shirou is pre-FSN. A magic user, without all the Association bullshit. That isn't something which really causes them any harm, it's not fundamentally any different from learning a martial art.
Even if that's the case, there's no point in seriously training them. They don't really need magic to defend themselves normally, and if it's something that would requiere magic (which I doubt, since they managed six months without incident), there's Shirou, Sakura, Rider and Rin for that. Sure, the can learn, but not to that extent, especially at a young age.
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Even if that's the case, there's no point in seriously training them. They don't really need magic to defend themselves normally, and if it's something that would requiere magic (which I doubt, since they managed six months without incident), there's Shirou, Sakura, Rider and Rin for that. Sure, the can learn, but not to that extent, especially at a young age.
Where did you get the idea they were training "seriously" from? It's not like Rin was in canon, but canonically Shirou picked up how to do tracing from basically nowhere in about two weeks, and he's not even that good a magus. They take it as seriously as Shirou or Sakura would take archery in canon. It's not their entire life, it's just part of it. They're not forced into spending every waking moment living as a magus, but nor are they forced to ignore the power they possess.
However, not teaching them to make full use of the abilities they have would be downright negligent parenting. And, regardless of what you say, Sakura and Shirou will not always be there to protect them, especially not as adults. A good parent teaches their kids to be able to fend for theirselves.
Personally, I don't think Kiyoshi is that competent. He's just somewhat like Shirou would have been if he'd had a teacher who didn't half-ass it. He's specialised in one thing and good at that one thing, but not particularly great at anything else.
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Where did you get the idea they were training "seriously" from? It's not like Rin was in canon, but canonically Shirou picked up how to do tracing from basically nowhere in about two weeks, and he's not even that good a magus. They take it as seriously as Shirou or Sakura would take archery in canon. It's not their entire life, it's just part of it. They're not forced into spending every waking moment living as a magus, but nor are they forced to ignore the power they possess.
However, not teaching them to make full use of the abilities they have would be downright negligent parenting. And, regardless of what you say, Sakura and Shirou will not always be there to protect them, especially not as adults. A good parent teaches their kids to be able to fend for theirselves.
Personally, I don't think Kiyoshi is that competent. He's just somewhat like Shirou would have been if he'd had a teacher who didn't half-ass it. He's specialised in one thing and good at that one thing, but not particularly great at anything else.
>_> Didn't Shirou obtain Tracing from training with Rin/Archer's memories? Before that all his projections were hollow.
Anyhow, I don't argue about his skills or potential. It's just...
I think 11 is young for his skill level to be frank
This. Especially if his training was more lax than, say, Rin's (the little time with Tokiomi is still more than what Shirou got)
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Where did you get the idea they were training "seriously" from? It's not like Rin was in canon, but canonically Shirou picked up how to do tracing from basically nowhere in about two weeks, and he's not even that good a magus. They take it as seriously as Shirou or Sakura would take archery in canon. It's not their entire life, it's just part of it. They're not forced into spending every waking moment living as a magus, but nor are they forced to ignore the power they possess.
However, not teaching them to make full use of the abilities they have would be downright negligent parenting. And, regardless of what you say, Sakura and Shirou will not always be there to protect them, especially not as adults. A good parent teaches their kids to be able to fend for theirselves.
Personally, I don't think Kiyoshi is that competent. He's just somewhat like Shirou would have been if he'd had a teacher who didn't half-ass it. He's specialised in one thing and good at that one thing, but not particularly great at anything else.
>_> Didn't Shirou obtain Tracing from training with Rin/Archer's memories? Before that all his projections were hollow.
He got UBW from that, yeah, but I'm not sure how much of what he did in Fate came from Archer.
Anyhow, I don't argue about his skills or potential. It's just...
I think 11 is young for his skill level to be frank
This. Especially if his training was more lax than, say, Rin's (the little time with Tokiomi is still more than what Shirou got)
The thing is, I don't see how his skill level is that high, particularly in terms of magic. He's just reasonably decent at his one thing. And, frankly, he has had more actual training at 11 than Rin had had, because he has family around to help him out. He doesn't have the same drive as she does, but he has a lot more help.
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He got UBW from that, yeah, but I'm not sure how much of what he did in Fate came from Archer.
He trained with Rin in Fate, Archer's memories in UBW, the GARm in HF.
The thing is, I don't see how his skill level is that high, particularly in terms of magic. He's just reasonably decent at his one thing. And, frankly, he has had more actual training at 11 than Rin had had, because he has family around to help him out. He doesn't have the same drive as she does, but he has a lot more help.
Hey, it's just my opinion on it considering the setting and his age. Don't think too much on it.
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He got UBW from that, yeah, but I'm not sure how much of what he did in Fate came from Archer.
He trained with Rin in Fate, Archer's memories in UBW, the GARm in HF.
Yeah, and Kiyoshi will have trained with Rin, as well as with Sakura and Shirou, plus probably his big sister. If Rin can teach Shirou that much in a week, I'm sure she can manage to teach Sakura's kid in twelve years, even if he's not her primary focus and he's not a dedicated magus.
The thing is, I don't see how his skill level is that high, particularly in terms of magic. He's just reasonably decent at his one thing. And, frankly, he has had more actual training at 11 than Rin had had, because he has family around to help him out. He doesn't have the same drive as she does, but he has a lot more help.
Hey, it's just my opinion on it considering the setting and his age. Don't think too much on it.
Well, sure, but I would like to get this right, which means actually taking stuff like this on board and trying to persuade you it is valid.
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You can't teach those skills to a little kid, practical experience is out of the question for sword fighting and magic for a majority of the kid's twelve years
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You can't teach those skills to a little kid, practical experience is out of the question for sword fighting and magic for a majority of the kid's twelve years
Why can't you?
You can certainly give a little kid a wooden sword to practice with, and his ability to create objects doesn't have to start with sharp swords, either....
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I think lantz was trying to say that Kiyoshi can't learn all that stuff when he has to get his motor functions brought up to a normal level first.
That is to say, by the time the kid is twelve, he'd be able to have at most half that time dedicated to his training (especially if he's not a dedicated magus).
By the way, for those of you who have read my character sheet and have knowledge on the respective franchises that I used for him, do I need to redo the sheet to be even slightly more realistic? I'm more than willing to if it turns out to be an issue.
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I think lantz was trying to say that Kiyoshi can't learn all that stuff when he has to get his motor functions brought up to a normal level first.
I don't see why that's true, really. Very young kids can still learn things like Kendo, and the magic is something he can learn from pretty young.
That is to say, by the time the kid is twelve, he'd be able to have at most half that time dedicated to his training (especially if he's not a dedicated magus).
What?
By the way, for those of you who have read my character sheet and have knowledge on the respective franchises that I used for him, do I need to redo the sheet to be even slightly more realistic? I'm more than willing to if it turns out to be an issue.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have enough knowledge to answer this....
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At the youngest he could start practical training at seven and then only in kendo because martial arts training would fuck his body up. Magic can back fire badly and teaching a five year old practical magic is a bad idea in concept because they could burn the house down by sheer accident or though a thought of I can control it being over confidence.
what this means is that at the absolute most the kid here would be the equal to someone with about two years experience in the five years of possible learning.
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Rin was learning magic at five, and Sakura at that age was being raped by penis worms. I don't see him learning magic at five as implausible. Further, if you don't teach him, it means you have to lie to him about the nature of your family (which I don't think Shirou would like one bit), and you also risk him working it out for himself, which is far worse. Plus, he has very good teachers who have his well-being as their upmost concern. You're possibly right about the martial arts, though, although I remember seeing kids of eight or so doing it.
But, even so, I never said he was amazingly good. He can defend himself, but he's not particularly strong.
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By the way, for those of you who have read my character sheet and have knowledge on the respective franchises that I used for him, do I need to redo the sheet to be even slightly more realistic? I'm more than willing to if it turns out to be an issue.
The one thing I can see being a problem Xam is that he's too . . . Stuish. Guy's a dimension hopping Harry Potter who's collecting powers from other realities.
As for Mike, kid's twelve. I can see him having some talent and training, but he's also the son of two parents who probably wouldn't shovel Magecraft down his throat. With how you're describing him, it's almost like he's Rin's kid that Rin has been pushing kind of hard.
His personality and stuff seems fine, and I like the idea that he has a Shadow pet that Sakura made for him. Maybe just tone him down powerlevel wise a little. I'm pretty sure that Sakura and Shirou would want their kids to be well kids instead going intensive magus training.
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I'll add my two cents as well. I generally agree with Elf on a lot of this.
Xam, I hate to be mean here but your character is... very Stuish. He may need a bit of an overhaul in order to work.
As for Shirou and Sakura's son, as Elf said, Shirou and Sakura aren't exactly going to go all gung ho on teaching their son the ins and outs of magecraft. They may teach him the basics, but he's not going to be at the same level Rin would be at the same age, and even 11 year old Rin would probably need some form of backup. An 11 year old is capable of fighting, yes, but the only way they're going to stand a chance against a competent, combat savvy adult or even a combat savy teenager on their own is if they are overpowered to begin with, or if they've had frequent, intense combat training from a very young age, something I think that's borderline for even Rin to push for. So he'd be able to do backup, but for the most part he's going to have to rely on Mom and Dad and Auntie Rider to make sure he doesn't get hurt.
...that paragraph's a mess. Hopefully you can get something halfway useful out of it. ^_^"
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As for Mike, kid's twelve. I can see him having some talent and training, but he's also the son of two parents who probably wouldn't shovel Magecraft down his throat. With how you're describing him, it's almost like he's Rin's kid that Rin has been pushing kind of hard.
I'm honestly not sure how that impression came across from it. I've not made him out to be particularly powerful, he's just vaguely competent and learning to be better.
As for his training, though, it's not so much they've been pushing him as it is he's been pushing himself, and they've just supported him in that.
His personality and stuff seems fine, and I like the idea that he has a Shadow pet that Sakura made for him. Maybe just tone him down powerlevel wise a little.
The thing is, I honestly don't see what in the profile makes him out to be particularly powerful. I already explained that the stats are in comparison to other people of the same age and not to adults.
So, what do I need to change for it?
I'm pretty sure that Sakura and Shirou would want their kids to be well kids instead going intensive magus training.
Yeah, definitely, the well-being of their kids is their sole worry, not whether they become good magi.
As for Shirou and Sakura's son, as Elf said, Shirou and Sakura aren't exactly going to go all gung ho on teaching their son the ins and outs of magecraft. They may teach him the basics, but he's not going to be at the same level Rin would be at the same age, and even 11 year old Rin would probably need some form of backup.
Well, they wouldn't force it on him, no, but if he wants to learn they wouldn't refuse to teach him, either.
An 11 year old is capable of fighting, yes, but the only way they're going to stand a chance against a competent, combat savvy adult or even a combat savy teenager on their own is if they are overpowered to begin with, or if they've had frequent, intense combat training from a very young age, something I think that's borderline for even Rin to push for. So he'd be able to do backup, but for the most part he's going to have to rely on Mom and Dad and Auntie Rider to make sure he doesn't get hurt.
Well, it depends. He could take on a mundane adult no problem, but I agree he's not likely to do much against most competent magi or more serious threats. He can defend himself to a certain extent, but he's definitely going to need Sakura, Shirou and Rider to protect him.
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By the way, for those of you who have read my character sheet and have knowledge on the respective franchises that I used for him, do I need to redo the sheet to be even slightly more realistic? I'm more than willing to if it turns out to be an issue.
Okay, I wanted to respond to you about your character some time ago, but overall, I agree with what everyone already said. That said, I'll pick apart what I think are the problems...
-His backstory is a mess. Ignoring certain things (like the abandoning in Japan and Lina being Nanoha's mother), it just screams Sue. I mean, at age five he's already an assassin (dragging Nanoha into it...for some reason), helps in Abstergo's downfall (age five), gets involved in the plot of Nanoha (this is the most plausible part), next part I'm not familiar with, but gaining better abilities while lacking mobility. Which, apparently, also healed him. Then, after that is the inverse, Nanoha in HP. How they got invited there despite living in a far away country without HP backstory like Harry, I dunno, it's still one of the two more plausible parts. Another mix of familiar and unfamiliar elements, though I don't know what happens at the end. “Shot everything to Hell”? And then more mixed plots, now with StrikerS, and without much clarification.
Yeah...no.
-His stats...you put on the same scale as a Servant. Aside from recommending you use a scale of his own species rather than Servants, Servant scale is at minimum ten times human maximum. Which means your character is on par with a Servant. And some of those stats are downright ridiculous. I mean, A+++? Flying at the speed of light? Also, how can someone be an A on Servant scale, and E- on human simultaneously (as I've explained earlier)? Probably got those switched around. You don't give any stat for Mag. Ability, that's a no. The description just makes him sound even more Sueish. By the way, magic and strength are separate, so you should have written the D+ (which is still way too strong).
Actually...
-The descriptions. All of them give the impression of him being even far more overpowered.
Joking: “Seriously, mix Red Staff magical ability with Blue Staff magic abilities, and what do you get? Massive Overkill!”
Serious: “Harry Potter as raised by Lina Inverse, who's Nanoha's birth mother in this scenario. Magical abilities are something that come to him, not the other way around... and that's before he learns about his Magic Circuits”
“Handyman of the Year (that last one's because he's a pro at fixing things that get broken, including Devices. Ask Nanoha and Fate if you don't believe me)”
See what I mean? I'll just leave the “Show, don't tell” advice here.
Also, he has no weakness? No personality flaws that could be exploited? Doesn't he have some power restriction? Anything? At the very least write “None” rather than...
“any attempt to get to him would require overpowering his sister... good luck with that.”
That reads more like a taunt than anything. Refer to my point above.
Hell, not only that, but his “likes” implies he has Nanoha characters as a harem. Don't...please don't.
To be brutally honest...it hurt to read through it. I mean you no offense...but you seriously need to turn this down a few notches. Several notches.
I'm honestly not sure how that impression came across from it. I've not made him out to be particularly powerful, he's just vaguely competent and learning to be better.
As for his training, though, it's not so much they've been pushing him as it is he's been pushing himself, and they've just supported him in that.
Didn't Shirou practically die/not-quite-die because of pushing himself too much? I'd think they'd try to avoid him pushing himself, rather than support him on that.
Anyhow, if you want some advice on that, well...maybe turning down his abilities a notch could help. It won't mean he's helpless, it's just that having that much skill at his age just seems implausible, specially given the circumstances.
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Didn't Shirou practically die/not-quite-die because of pushing himself too much? I'd think they'd try to avoid him pushing himself, rather than support him on that.
Shirou practically died because Kiritsugu never bothered to inform him that making a new magic circuit every time you do magic is a spectacularly bad idea....
Anyhow, if you want some advice on that, well...maybe turning down his abilities a notch could help. It won't mean he's helpless, it's just that having that much skill at his age just seems implausible, specially given the circumstances.
His abilities aren't that exceptional, though. I toned-down the language about re-inforcement, but I don't see anything else that makes him out to be particularly strong.
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@ xam remove Lina inverse from that bio immediately, the woman and any subsequent children she has are automatically game breaking, the woman has three of her world's most powerful spells and is a deity magnet. The word broken was given it's pop culture definition because of her. Further it's ok to go around mega man style picking up abilities but serious thought needs to be put into the hows and whys of the journey to justify such accruements
@ mike thing is that at 12 what your expecting is unreasonable the kids parents and attitude along with his age do not add up to his supposed ability.
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@ mike thing is that at 12 what your expecting is unreasonable the kids parents and attitude along with his age do not add up to his supposed ability.
What aspects of his "ability"? Nothing I've said implies that he's particularly powerful. And, his parents will not be discouraging him from learning magic, they just won't force him into it.
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His ability period
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His ability period
Yeah, sorry, you need to be more specific, because I don't see anything wrong with him.
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He's too young, his parents aren't pushing lessons on him and he doesn't take them seriously. This combined with his skills makes them over the top
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He's too young, his parents aren't pushing lessons on him and he doesn't take them seriously.
I never said he didn't take his lessons seriously, at least when it comes to fighting.
This combined with his skills makes them over the top
Again, which skills are "over the top"? What specific aspects of the sheet do you not like?
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Hmm, I'm currently trying to work out Sakura's abilities, but aside from some sort of shadow archery thing, I'm not too sure what she should be capable of by this stage. Does anyone have any ideas?
Also, I'm wondering where I should have them be living. My intention was for Sakura to have given the Emiya house to her eldest child, Aoi, having moved out because it wasn't big enough for her family, and so she could be nearer to Rin. But, I'm not sure where she would move to. The Tohsaka house is a possibility, but it is, obviously, Rin's house (although Rin would likely see her as having the right to live there, at least). Alternately, they could build a house nearby. The obvious location would be where the Matou house is, since it is literally next door, but I'm not sure how Sakura would react to that (assuming they demolished the old house and built a new one).
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Why exactly does Sakura have any say in shirous house? He owns it, logically it makes no sense, the emiya house is huge and kids move out
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Why exactly does Sakura have any say in shirous house?
Because Shirou would never see it as "his" house. Sakura has been living there with him since she was 16, and they are a married couple. As far as he is concerned the house belongs to both of them.
Of course it wouldn't be solely her decision, but it wouldn't be solely down to Shirou either. He's not going to just turn around to her and tell her "we're moving house" without giving her a say in it, and nor is he going to tell her "no, we can't move, I own this house".
He owns it, logically it makes no sense, the emiya house is huge and kids move out
They move out eventually, yes, but not immediately. Plus, I would kind-of like them to move a bit closer to where Rin is. And, it makes sense for them to give Aoi somewhere to live.
I'm not totally sure how big the Emiya house is. Does it have enough bedrooms for Sakura and Shirou, Rider (she would have her own room for privacy, even if she doesn't strictly need to sleep) and four children (plus probably some spare for guests)? If not then they would probably need to move at some point.
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Like Mike said, they're married. Why wouldn't she have a say in what happens to the house? Though the house is pretty big. It has enough room to fit Sakura, Rider, Rin, Saber, and Shirou at the very least in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, and that's not accounting for any additional rooms it may have. Plus it's a Japanese style mansion; while it's not as humongous as you would expect a mansion to be (especially compared to the Einzbern castle for example), but it's still pretty big. More than big enough for a married couple and their four kids (plus a couple of guests every once in awhile). So that's something to consider.
As for the Matou mansion, I don't think Sakura would even want to go back to the grounds with a new house built back up on top. Too much trauma related to that house and everything that happened to her there.
And for Sakura's abilities, it's possible to take inspiration from the final fight in F/HA for that. Alternatively, while it's a bit risky since it's just a fan game, using her Battle Moon Wars skills for inspiration also might work.
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Like Mike said, they're married. Why wouldn't she have a say in what happens to the house? Though the house is pretty big. It has enough room to fit Sakura, Rider, Rin, Saber, and Shirou at the very least in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, and that's not accounting for any additional rooms it may have. Plus it's a Japanese style mansion; while it's not as humongous as you would expect a mansion to be (especially compared to the Einzbern castle for example), but it's still pretty big. More than big enough for a married couple and their four kids (plus a couple of guests every once in awhile). So that's something to consider.
Hmm, yeah, that does make them moving somewhat odd, although being closer to Rin's house would make life easier.
As for the Matou mansion, I don't think Sakura would even want to go back to the grounds with a new house built back up on top. Too much trauma related to that house and everything that happened to her there.
Honestly, I think she could cope with it, but I guess it wouldn't be ideal.
And for Sakura's abilities, it's possible to take inspiration from the final fight in F/HA for that. Alternatively, while it's a bit risky since it's just a fan game, using her Battle Moon Wars skills for inspiration also might work.
Well, whilst HA is a good starting point, it doesn't really show what she would be capable of after years of training. As for BMW, I've looked at that already, and I intend to use her archery attack from that. But aside from that it doesn't have anything much I can use. She only has one other attack (aside from her combo with Shirou, which is silly) and I'm not sure how to use it. It's Battle Moon Wars - Matou Sakura - Kirsche Drang Gral (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjI4uABQLsw#), BTW. There's also Battle Moon Wars - Matou Sakura - Kirsche - Gestalt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIbihsTSgg#) but that's a less powerful one and doesn't really involve shadow magic.
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Rin lives about five blocks away if she has to move closer than she's just a lazy fat ass. Shirous house means a lot to him and seriously kids move out, not the other way around
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Rin lives about five blocks away if she has to move closer than she's just a lazy fat ass.
I remember Sakura has a pretty substantial walk to Shirou's house. Something like 45 minutes....
Shirous house means a lot to him
Really?
seriously kids move out, not the other way around
Well, yes, true....
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Shirous can't be that far if rin can walk to school with him believably. Shirou says rins is closer than Sakuras from his house and seriously between the meaning of that house to shirou, it's size and the fact that kids move out of the house normally there's no reason for them to give up the house. Physical distance means fuck all to the relationship between family
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Shirous can't be that far if run can walk to school with him believably.
Well, Sakura comes around every morning, and her house is quite a long way.
Shirou says rins is closer than Sakuras from his house
The map of Fuyuki shows that Sakura's house and Rin's house are close together.
seriously between the meaning of that house to house, it's size and the fact that kids move out of the house normally there's no reason for them to give up the house.
Well, yes, I do admit they could almost certainly fit everyone in to Shirou's house without an issue. I will need to do a bit more thinking about this....
Physical distance means fuck all to the relationship between family
It means you can't easily pop around for five minutes.
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Here, this might help a bit:
(http://i.imgur.com/pHQ8WL1.jpg)
Should give you a rough idea of distance and everything at least.
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Jesus Christ, does Shinji live in a freaking castle or what?
Also, being right next door to family members isn't exactly recommended. Being too close can bring conflict. Sometimes you just need to stay a little away.
However living where they are, Sakura and Shirou can easily visit Rin and vice versa. Plus I'd like to think by that point at least someone has a magical thing called a car.
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Jesus Christ, does Shinji live in a freaking castle or what?
Well, both the Matou and Tohsaka houses are pretty damn big from what I can tell.
Also, if you're talking about HA then it's indisputedly Sakura's house, from what I can tell.
Also, being right next door to family members isn't exactly recommended. Being too close can bring conflict. Sometimes you just need to stay a little away.
Well, OK, fair enough. Although, by that logic, no-one should live with anyone else....
However living where they are, Sakura and Shirou can easily visit Rin and vice versa.
Yeah, I guess.
Well, I need to rethink what I'm going to do with regards to Aoi, then....
Plus I'd like to think by that point at least someone has a magical thing called a car.
Lol, true, I never thought of that....
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Sorry to break from the current discussion, but... well, while I already have two characters (both of whom I need to write the sheets for still), I'm not sure what to do with the rest of my slots just yet. Any tips as to deciding what to do with those?
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Well, you don't have to play 5 characters if you don't want to.
But, honestly, it depends on who you want to play. Also, do you want them all to be connected? If so, then I guess some other Extra characters. Extra Sakura would be kind-of interesting, actually, if solely because she gets to meet the person she is (presumably) based on.
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I know, but I don't like wasting slots if possible. :3
But nah, I don't care if they're all connected or not- actually my main dilemma is whether to go with all pre-established characters or whether to throw a few OCs in there. Everything would still be Nasuverse based regardless either for the most part or in it's entirety, but regardless, I'm a bit torn.
I have a few characters that I may play in mind both in terms of both already existing Nasuverse characters and OCs alike, but I need to figure out what I want to do with that.
...I also need to write my character sheets for the two I already claimed. ^_^"
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I know, but I don't like wasting slots if possible. :3
Well, OK, but you don't have to do them all at once.
But nah, I don't care if they're all connected or not- actually my main dilemma is whether to go with all pre-established characters or whether to throw a few OCs in there. Everything would still be Nasuverse based regardless either for the most part or in it's entirety, but regardless, I'm a bit torn.
I have a few characters that I may play in mind both in terms of both already existing Nasuverse characters and OCs alike, but I need to figure out what I want to do with that.
Ah, OK.
Well, if they're not connected then the best thing to do is probably to just make the characters you already have decided and then add more characters later. They don't have to all show up at the same time.
...I also need to write my character sheets for the two I already claimed. ^_^"
Ah, OK.
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Okay, due to what I was told about how absurdly broken Haru was, I decided to scrap him for someone I feel should be more... reasonable... than that.
Just... give me a while to revise the post in question with Haru's sheet.
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Alrighty, first sheet is up. Any feedback is appreciated. :) (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2526.html#msg2526) Also, I posted in the RP itself. Any feedback on any changes I should make to that post or stuff I should do better in the future is appreciated as well. :D
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Hmm, Elf, what are the rules on NPCs here? I mean, if we want to have our characters be attacked, or have people we want to interact who aren't players, what do we do?
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2nd sheet is up, but it's very quick and dirty so I can go ahead and post. ^_^" Any feedback is once again appreciated. :)
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Hmm, Elf, what are the rules on NPCs here? I mean, if we want to have our characters be attacked, or have people we want to interact who aren't players, what do we do?
NPCs are fine if you want to start a conflict or what not. Like Rider suddenly getting ambushed by a pack of jerk ass werewolves or what not. Also, there will be some other NPCs that will make reoccurring appearances in the RP itself. Stuff like you know, normal working folk. Like the manager at Rider's hotel and stuff.
And who wants to place their bets on the first characters who get laid?
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Hmm, Elf, what are the rules on NPCs here? I mean, if we want to have our characters be attacked, or have people we want to interact who aren't players, what do we do?
NPCs are fine if you want to start a conflict or what not. Like Rider suddenly getting ambushed by a pack of jerk ass werewolves or what not. Also, there will be some other NPCs that will make reoccurring appearances in the RP itself. Stuff like you know, normal working folk. Like the manager at Rider's hotel and stuff.
Ah, OK, so I can just make up my own NPCs as needed, and control them accordingly?
And who wants to place their bets on the first characters who get laid?
Judging by the situation Rider is in at the moment, I think she's likely to fit that. Although, technically speaking, Sakura and Shirou are probably getting laid right now (unless Rin has managed to get through to them to explain that she's just lost their son...).
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Pretty much so, but because they're NPCs they can be used by other characters if needed/wanted.
True that Rider's in the best position. And soon she'll need it. Luckily there's an Irish Demi-God who's all to willing to share.
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Hmm... darn, looking at the recent updates, I realized I screwed up a bit- I assumed Rider was wearing her battle costume, hence why I had Hakuno think of her as "scary." Are we allowed to go back and fix stuff like this that still doesn't change what all went down after the fact otherwise, or is it pretty much set in stone?
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Pretty much so, but because they're NPCs they can be used by other characters if needed/wanted.
Ah, OK, that makes sense.
True that Rider's in the best position. And soon she'll need it. Luckily there's an Irish Demi-God who's all to willing to share.
Lol, yeah. Although I'm not sure Rider is going to be exactly pleased about having to have sex with him, even if she knows she needs the prana.
Hmm... darn, looking at the recent updates, I realized I screwed up a bit- I assumed Rider was wearing her battle costume, hence why I had Hakuno think of her as "scary." Are we allowed to go back and fix stuff like this that still doesn't change what all went down after the fact otherwise, or is it pretty much set in stone?
I don't see why changing it would be a problem if it doesn't affect what goes on, although I guess it's up to Elf.
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Hmm... darn, looking at the recent updates, I realized I screwed up a bit- I assumed Rider was wearing her battle costume, hence why I had Hakuno think of her as "scary." Are we allowed to go back and fix stuff like this that still doesn't change what all went down after the fact otherwise, or is it pretty much set in stone?
Well, there is an edit button on the post, so you can. XD
Lol, yeah. Although I'm not sure Rider is going to be exactly pleased about having to have sex with him, even if she knows she needs the prana.
And I doubt that Lancer's into BDSM either.
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Lol, yeah. Although I'm not sure Rider is going to be exactly pleased about having to have sex with him, even if she knows she needs the prana.
And I doubt that Lancer's into BDSM either.
Yeah, probably not....
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Well, there is an edit button on the post, so you can. XD
LOL, alrighty. XD I just wanted to make sure it was all kosher. :)
...also, reading about who needs to get prana from who, why do I get the feeling that Hakuno's going to be propositioned more than a few times in this RP? :P (this is what I get for posting with half functioning brain cells- please disregard my bad jokes and feel free to join the RP! We don't bite. :D)
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Well, I can see Rider propositioning her, certainly. She would rather Hakuno than Lancer....
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OK, I have a post written, but I'm having real trouble reconciling everyone's actions here. Elf, you seem to wait for Lantz to finish speaking before you speak (or, at least, you don't speak until he's mid-way through), and Alice's post goes up to when you speak. But, given that at the end of my last post Rider was about to leap after Hakuno, and Saber wouldn't have started speaking until pretty much when she landed, Rider should have acted well before the end of Alice's last post.
I'm not going to post just yet, I think I need to discuss this with Alice, and she's not on right now.
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Well, in general what Alter says to Hakuno doesn't make much sense with what's going on- it assumes Hakuno is already saved when she's actually in even more danger at this point then she was previously. I wasn't even sure how to respond to it, to be honest. ^_^"
But yeah, I assumed that Alter was talking before Forest started to speak, which is possibly why things are out of whack.
As we discussed elsewhere though, since I OKed it, Rider can easily grab Hakuno at around the time you're referring to since she's still somewhat stunned- if it helps, I can rewrite my post a bit so less happens with Hakuno so that it makes more sense, if need be.
I think lantz may need to rewrite his posts a bit though- they don't quite gel with what's going on with everyone else, so I don't think it'd be a bad idea if he did some revising so that things flow a bit better.
We can discuss it in more detail elsewhere too if you'd like. :)
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Given that Alter's actions thus far have been incredibly minimal the only revising I can do is to delete the post where she enters the conflict. As such just treat her as never having shown up as I'm deleting my recent post
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Given that Alter's actions thus far have been incredibly minimal the only revising I can do is to delete the post where she enters the conflict. As such just treat her as never having shown up as I'm deleting my recent post
Well, the only real problem was some contextual stuff is all, not that Alter was there really. ^_^" Like the lid being thrown was fine, as was the chat she had with Rider, it was just the bit where she addresses Hakuno as if she's safe that sticks out. If you want to just have Alter show up at a later time or something, that's fine. :) I'll go ahead and revise my posts then if that's your final decision.
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I've no desire to bother with continuing the scene when a basic moment of characterization is such an issue. I'm going to avoid scenes like this from now on
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Given that Alter's actions thus far have been incredibly minimal the only revising I can do is to delete the post where she enters the conflict. As such just treat her as never having shown up as I'm deleting my recent post
Your actions haven't been "minimal", you lobbed a bin lid at me. Not to mention being generally a threat. Without your post I basically need to re-write the entirety of my posts, as does Elf.
Frankly, I think deleting your posts like that after everyone has responded to them is not at all good. You can't change what you've done after people have responded to it unless you get their permission to do so. You have basically single-handedly wrecked the RP, because I now have to go back and redo my last post, as do Elf and Alice.
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Your actions haven't been "minimal", you lobbed a bin lid at me. Not to mention being generally a threat. Without your post I basically need to re-write the entirety of my posts, as does Elf.
Frankly, I think deleting your posts like that after everyone has responded to them is not at all good. You can't change what you've done after people have responded to it unless you get their permission to do so. You have basically single-handedly wrecked the RP, because I now have to go back and redo my last post, as do Elf and Alice.
Pretty much this- while you didn't type much, your actions did have impact, enough that it causes a huge ripple when those posts are gone. We were just asking if you could make your posts flow a bit better with everyone else's- we weren't insulting the content or anything like that. What you did though wasn't very considerate of everyone else though.
You need to be more receptive to criticism- the intent wasn't to hurt you, but to try to make things better for everyone. Responding the way you did is not a mature or considerate thing to do.
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Just a question, when you guys say alternate form of Shirou, does Mind of Steel Shirou count?
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Just a question, when you guys say alternate form of Shirou, does Mind of Steel Shirou count?
While likely Elf has to confirm it for sure, I'd definitely say so- he's from a different timeline after all. :) So I'd say that you're fine. :D
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Just a question, when you guys say alternate form of Shirou, does Mind of Steel Shirou count?
Indeed it would. Which would be interesting because Mike is playing a very post HF Shirou and Sakura.
I've already went back and edited my post.
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Just a question, when you guys say alternate form of Shirou, does Mind of Steel Shirou count?
Yeah, although Rider is going to actually want to kill him....
Just a question, when you guys say alternate form of Shirou, does Mind of Steel Shirou count?
Indeed it would. Which would be interesting because Mike is playing a very post HF Shirou and Sakura.
Yeah, that's going to be very interesting indeed....
I've already went back and edited my post.
well, I'm waiting to see if Lantz puts it back, because if not I basically have to re-write my entire previous post. I acted as I did because of his presense, without that I would have acted differently.
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Between Mike's attitude the other day and you complaining about flow I did the only thing I could do to revise things without wrecking Alter's characterization Alice, this incident has put me off engaging in fight scenes like these. After this conflict ends I'll be all hammer, no quill.
it was not out of spite it was a deduction I made, so the insults can stop from both of you
as of now the posts have been put back, so deal with it however you like
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Well, OK, good, I'll get my post up soon.
If anyone else wants to edit their post back, you can do so by clicking on the "last edit" comment at the bottom of the post and selecting "restore version".
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Thanks Mike!
And I posted. Rider now has a new nickname.
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And what a glorious new nickname it is~ :3 I posted too. :) ...My post is way too long. ^_^"
Aside from that though, I think I decided what to do with two more of my slots- I'm thinking of claiming Rin and bringing an OC in. The OC makes me kinda nervous, so when I get that up, I'll need a ton of feedback if you guys can give it to me.
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And what a glorious new nickname it is~ :3
I can't imagine Rider's going to be too fond of it....
Also, wow, I saw OPOI's character sheet, and if his weaknesses are "Sakura" and "children", I wonder how he'll handle having Sakura's child call him "daddy", although with a note of confusion....
Although, the hair colour would probably mean he wouldn't tell, to be honest.
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Posted in the RP. If I broke something, tell me what I did wrong, and I'll try to fix it
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Posted in the RP. If I broke something, tell me what I did wrong, and I'll try to fix it
Welcome told the Fold, and I think it was a very nice first post.
Hey Mike, once Rider stops sitting on her, I think Forest would be more inclined to call her Rider. Right now she just wants people's attention.
Alice, long posts are fine, m'dear.
Now I'm just wondering who's going to notice our sniper Shirou, and what will happen between Archer and Lancer? Will they get into a fight, or go off to rescue their prospective "Masters"? Find out on the next exciting episode of "Cross Effects"!
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Aye, I agree- it was a very nice first post, OPOI. :D ...Poor Hakuno though. XD
And lol, that's good about the length- hopefully it's still OK quality at least, despite said length.
And I too eagerly await what will happen next Episode. ...Especially since I get to see who gets to try and prevent Hakuno's brains from being splattered. :3
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Hey Mike, once Rider stops sitting on her, I think Forest would be more inclined to call her Rider. Right now she just wants people's attention.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense, although usually insulting someone you're trying to negotiate with isn't the best strategy....
Now I'm just wondering who's going to notice our sniper Shirou, and what will happen between Archer and Lancer? Will they get into a fight, or go off to rescue their prospective "Masters"? Find out on the next exciting episode of "Cross Effects"!
Lol, yeah.
I do wonder who would notice it, actually. I'm not sure Rider is paying enough attention, particularly since the bullet isn't aimed at her....
Aye, I agree- it was a very nice first post, OPOI. :D
Yeah, definitely, things are getting interesting....
...Poor Hakuno though. XD
Yeah, well, what do you expect from that asshole (I mean MoS Shirou, BTW)...? I think Rider is going to have fun beating the shit out of him at some point....
Although, actually, I hope he gets to fight Shirou at some point, because seeing two versions of UBW conflicting will be interesting. Shirou has no explicit reason to go after him as long as he leaves Sakura and his kids alone, though, although he will not stand by and let MoS Shirou kill innocents.
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Although, actually, I hope he gets to fight Shirou at some point, because seeing two versions of UBW conflicting will be interesting. Shirou has no explicit reason to go after him as long as he leaves Sakura and his kids alone, though, although he will not stand by and let MoS Shirou kill innocents.
Plus don't forget there's Archer in the mix, so that makes for a lot of interesting set ups. This is Fate/Extra Archer though, so he's less bitter about stuff, but still, this'll be interesting regardless. ...Why do I have the feeling there will be a lot of Shirous running around in this RP at some point? XD
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Although, actually, I hope he gets to fight Shirou at some point, because seeing two versions of UBW conflicting will be interesting. Shirou has no explicit reason to go after him as long as he leaves Sakura and his kids alone, though, although he will not stand by and let MoS Shirou kill innocents.
Plus don't forget there's Archer in the mix, so that makes for a lot of interesting set ups. This is Fate/Extra Archer though, so he's less bitter about stuff, but still, this'll be interesting regardless. ...Why do I have the feeling there will be a lot of Shirous running around in this RP at some point? XD
Well, true, but HF Shirou has no beef with Archer. Indeed, quite the opposite. And nor does Rider for that matter, because he helped save Sakura with his arm....
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Just his reaction to seeing Sakura and HF Shirou would be interesting I reckon.
I don't know about his reaction to Archer...probably same as UBW, both hate and admiration
As for saving Hakuno...is Lantzblade's Saber still there? Or did she just disappear? I dunno, I'll be very interested to see what happens.
I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out MOS Shirou's UBW though. Would it be even bleaker than Archer's or exactly the same? For that matter, would HF Shirou have UBW?
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Just his reaction to seeing Sakura would be interesting I reckon.
Yeah, probably. Particularly given that she is with Shirou and has several of her kids with her....
As for saving Hakuno...is Lantzblade's Saber still there? Or did she just disappear?
Yeah, she's still there, but I doubt she can cover the ground in time. She was stood quite a way away from Hakuno.
Rider might end up saving her, oddly enough, but it depends on what I get back from Elf (I sent her a PM to clarify some things).
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When writing the scenarios, how do conversations work? I can't control other characters, so would conversations consist of a series of short posts between each character? How would combat work? If I said Shirou set a trap, I can't say that Archer for example just walked into it right?
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When writing the scenarios, how do conversations work? I can't control other characters, so would conversations consist of a series of short posts between each character? How would combat work? If I said Shirou set a trap, I can't say that Archer for example just walked into it right?
For conversations it would be a series of short posts between each character. As for Combat, pretty much it should be, "Shirou set a trap for Archer" then Archer's player chooses if he falls for it or not. However it has to be "realistic" or rather probable. If its something Archer can't avoid, then he should fall for it.
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However it has to be "realistic" or rather probable. If its something Archer can't avoid, then he should fall for it.
How does that work with regards to deadly actions? I mean, I don't want my characters to die, so what happens if they get stuck in a situation where the most likely thing to happen is their death?
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However it has to be "realistic" or rather probable. If its something Archer can't avoid, then he should fall for it.
How does that work with regards to deadly actions? I mean, I don't want my characters to die, so what happens if they get stuck in a situation where the most likely thing to happen is their death?
Yeah I don't understand that either...Gae Bolg will really break things won't it?
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How does that work with regards to deadly actions? I mean, I don't want my characters to die, so what happens if they get stuck in a situation where the most likely thing to happen is their death?
Well you can have your character escape, just make it plausible. I don't want any God Mode Cheating Asspulls. I don't want any character deaths unless both players agree on it.
Yeah I don't understand that either...Gae Bolg will really break things won't it?
Gae Bolg is still Gae Bolg, but Lancer is going to be responsible in using it. Hell in the original myth there were only like two actual accounts where he used it, he enjoyed swords. And remember, he has to get Gae Bolg ready to use, which gives the other player time to run the fuck away.
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I was thinking of using it...it seems to make sense for Shirou...
Actually did they ever say whether he could use it?
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Gae Bolg?
Theoretically he can trace it, it just cost more than swords.
Also, Alice and I were talking and we were realizing that we've got more single ladies here than men that are available to go around, and not all the ladies are bisexual. Part of the fun of RPs is seeing what relationships develop!
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Gae Bolg?
Theoretically he can trace it, it just cost more than swords.
Also, Alice and I were talking and we were realizing that we've got more single ladies here than men that are available to go around, and not all the ladies are bisexual. Part of the fun of RPs is seeing what relationships develop!
Obviously MOS Shirou with his charming personality and stable mindset will get ALL the ladies :P
I actually meant the abilities of the spear...
As in Shirou can trace a weapon like Caliburn, but can't actually use its laser beam ability
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How does that work with regards to deadly actions? I mean, I don't want my characters to die, so what happens if they get stuck in a situation where the most likely thing to happen is their death?
Well you can have your character escape, just make it plausible. I don't want any God Mode Cheating Asspulls. I don't want any character deaths unless both players agree on it.
Well, sure, I understand that, but what if there actually isn't any plausible escape method? For example, if none of us were willing to protect Hakuno right now (or if we just weren't there), what could she do?
Gae Bolg is still Gae Bolg, but Lancer is going to be responsible in using it. Hell in the original myth there were only like two actual accounts where he used it, he enjoyed swords. And remember, he has to get Gae Bolg ready to use, which gives the other player time to run the fuck away.
That only makes sense if they know what Gae Bolg is, though, and recognise his preparation. Someone like Rider might, someone who isn't aware of servants etc. surely won't.
Obviously MOS Shirou with his charming personality and stable mindset will get ALL the ladies :P
Lol, I think they all hate him already....
I actually meant the abilities of the spear...
As in Shirou can trace a weapon like Caliburn, but can't actually use its laser beam ability
Caliburn seems to be a special exception, probably because it's linked to Saber or something. Other weapons Shirou definitely can use (he uses Excaliblast at the end of HF, and also Rule Breaker).
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Obviously MOS Shirou with his charming personality and stable mindset will get ALL the ladies :P
The question does he still have the BAR?
actually meant the abilities of the spear...
As in Shirou can trace a weapon like Caliburn, but can't actually use its laser beam ability
Yes, he traces Gae Bolg and can use it like Lancer, just remember it goes down a grade, but the effects are still the same.
Caliburn doesn't have the laser beam ability, that's Excalibur which according to Nasu's retarded ass retcon he can't trace and use. Despite Archer threatening to do so in UBW and Shirou doing it in the normal end of HF. But whatever.
Caliburn is more like . . . blunt instrument that makes Arturia pretty much unbeatable and less Excalibur's light show. Plus, Arturia likes Caliburn more than Excalibur too. Like if Archer or Shirou traced Caldiblog, not the spiral arrow version, but the real sword, they should be able to do it's beam slash attack with it too. Just Excalibur is a special snow flake, to which I call "Bull shit!".
Well, sure, I understand that, but what if there actually isn't any plausible escape method? For example, if none of us were willing to protect Hakuno right now (or if we just weren't there), what could she do?
If Hakuno doesn't want to die, she could dodge at the last moment. Which is pushing it, but more plausible than say Archer arriving at the very nick of time and shooting the bullet out of the air.
That only makes sense if they know what Gae Bolg is, though, and recognize his preparation. Someone like Rider might, someone who isn't aware of servants etc. surely won't.
You know how pissed off Lancer would have to be to use Gae Bolg like that? He'd rather fight it out than resort to his One Hit Kill. The One Hit Kill isn't as enjoyable.
Lol, I think they all hate him already....
I wouldn't say Forest "hates" him per say, but she may attempt to beat the stupid out of him.
Caliburn seems to be a special exception, probably because it's linked to Saber or something. Other weapons Shirou definitely can use (he uses Excaliblast at the end of HF, and also Rule Breaker).
Plus Caliburn was destroyed before he actually saw it. He was seeing it from a memory, which is different than seeing it in person, but see my explanation on Caliburn.
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Okay, I'm seriously about to redo my first character sheet, so that it's no longer on the "Mary Sue" version of characters.
In the meantime, do I need to know what all's going on right now, or no?
Also, final question for right now, am I allowed to incorporate characters from games like Kingdom Hearts?
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Okay, I'm seriously about to redo my first character sheet, so that it's no longer on the "Mary Sue" version of characters.
Good.
In the meantime, do I need to know what all's going on right now, or no?
Well, I'd recommend reading the posts to know what's going on so that when you do introduce your character it's not coming from completely left field.
Also, final question for right now, am I allowed to incorporate characters from games like Kingdom Hearts?
I'll allow it. Sephiroth could be one character that could fight a Servant one on One. Just a warning, if it's Goofy or Donald Duck, they maybe mocked.
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If Hakuno doesn't want to die, she could dodge at the last moment. Which is pushing it, but more plausible than say Archer arriving at the very nick of time and shooting the bullet out of the air.
Yeah, I guess.
Presumably when it comes to not dying we just have to take the most plausible option available, and if it is a bit implausible there's not much we can do....
That only makes sense if they know what Gae Bolg is, though, and recognize his preparation. Someone like Rider might, someone who isn't aware of servants etc. surely won't.
You know how pissed off Lancer would have to be to use Gae Bolg like that? He'd rather fight it out than resort to his One Hit Kill. The One Hit Kill isn't as enjoyable.
Yeah, true....
Lol, I think they all hate him already....
I wouldn't say Forest "hates" him per say, but she may attempt to beat the stupid out of him.
Yeah, I think you're about 5 years too late for that. At this point making him realise his mistakes will just destroy him. Especially since he's going to be hit with a direct reminder of the fact that he really did have a choice.
In the meantime, do I need to know what all's going on right now, or no?
If you intend to introduce yourself, yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, I guess.
Presumably when it comes to not dying we just have to take the most plausible option available, and if it is a bit implausible there's not much we can do....
If it's a bit implausible then you could always ask the GM, which is me. Like, "Fuck, Character X is coming after my Character Y and I don't know how to get out of it and I don't want them to die . . ."
Then I'd be like, "It's cool, just let me handle this."
Yeah, true....
See, in the end its about the characters. Sure they have One Hit Kill abilities, but the question is, do they want to use them?
Yeah, I think you're about 5 years too late for that. At this point making him realize his mistakes will just destroy him. Especially since he's going to be hit with a direct reminder of the fact that he really did have a choice.
We'll just have to see what happens.
If you intend to introduce yourself, yeah, definitely.
Hey Mike, I think it was your turn next. :)
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Yeah, I guess.
Presumably when it comes to not dying we just have to take the most plausible option available, and if it is a bit implausible there's not much we can do....
If it's a bit implausible then you could always ask the GM, which is me. Like, "Fuck, Character X is coming after my Character Y and I don't know how to get out of it and I don't want them to die . . ."
Then I'd be like, "It's cool, just let me handle this."
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, true....
See, in the end its about the characters. Sure they have One Hit Kill abilities, but the question is, do they want to use them?
Well, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I think you're about 5 years too late for that. At this point making him realize his mistakes will just destroy him. Especially since he's going to be hit with a direct reminder of the fact that he really did have a choice.
We'll just have to see what happens.
Yeah, but I can't see how MoS Shirou can recover from the fact that he killed Sakura for an ideal he's now going to abandon whilst she's right in front of him. Particularly since Rider will rub it in his face at every opportunity. She would never accept "fixing" him, not after what he's done. As far as she's concerned he's beyond redemption.
If you intend to introduce yourself, yeah, definitely.
Hey Mike, I think it was your turn next. :)
Already posted :P
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I was thinking of Sora as a possibility, but that works, Sephiroth as a player character.
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I was thinking of Sora as a possibility, but that works, Sephiroth as a player character.
Hmm, that could be very interesting....
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You seem to know about Kingdom Hearts a good deal, don't you, Cherry?
Anyway, let me finish up the character sheet renovating, and I'll get back to this soon enough.
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You seem to know about Kingdom Hearts a good deal, don't you, Cherry?
No, but I've played Final Fantasy 7....
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Ah. That makes way more sense now.
If I get anything wrong regarding Sephiroth, please let me know here, alright?
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Honestly, I'm not exactly an expert. It's a long time since I played it....
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I am, I played it just recently
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Ok, well since SOME People have issues with the character I just posted a sheet for you might as well come out and actually say your issues formally. I'm particularly happy with the flak I'm getting especially after the other day. At least be honest with this if you have a problem
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Well, OK.
Honestly, I'm rather worried that Satoshi is somewhat overpowered here. He seems stronger than everyone else by some way, and he seems to be able to basically solve every problem we might have with little effort. That isn't really good for the RP as a whole, since for the RP to work we need to all have a role in the story, and there needs to be conflict etc.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with him as a character, but for this particular scenario I am worried he's a bit too powerful. I mean, from what I can tell from talking to you he could easily defeat even Gilgamesh, let alone the other servants who are hanging around.
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Ah. That makes way more sense now.
If I get anything wrong regarding Sephiroth, please let me know here, alright?
Gotcha!
By the way is it Alice's turn?
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Ok, well since SOME People have issues with the character I just posted a sheet for you might as well come out and actually say your issues formally. I'm particularly happy with the flak I'm getting especially after the other day. At least be honest with this if you have a problem
Well...mike's already talked about the power issue...
The main thing I have an issue with is
a) story. When did it happen? Why is Gil still around?
b) Anti-Gilgamesh sword. That is completely nonsensical. That's like me putting anti-Servant bullets in my gun, or minituarised Gae Bolgs in a Thompson Contender (now that's an idea...nah too OP)
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Ah. That makes way more sense now.
If I get anything wrong regarding Sephiroth, please let me know here, alright?
Gotcha!
By the way is it Alice's turn?
Probably Elf next, although we don't necessarily have to all post in order.
a) story. When did it happen? Why is Gil still around?
It's Lantz's own setting. I don't actually have a problem with that, because he's explained it to me before and it does make sense.
My issue here isn't with the character as such, but with his place in this RP.
b) Anti-Gilgamesh sword. That is completely nonsensical. That's like me putting anti-Servant bullets in my gun, or minituarised Gae Bolgs in a Thompson Contender (now that's an idea...nah too OP)
Well, if Gilgamesh is someone he is aiming to kill, it does make sense for him to need a weapon to do so. And, the way I read it was not that it was not a sword with specific anti-Gil powers, but that it was a sword made to fight Gilgamesh with.
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Gilgamesh is, or rather given the timeline of the profile was his mortal enemy mike, being strong enough to beat himis a basic tenant of story telling.
as for the sword it was made with the intent to kill Gilgamesh, it's a well known concept in myth and high fantasy that weapons can possess traits as such. In this case as the description it contains Satoshis hate for Gilgamesh when the weapon was forged
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Gilgamesh is, or rather given the timeline of the profile was his mortal enemy mike, being strong enough to beat himis a basic tenant of story telling.
Of course, but for the purpose of this RP it makes him considerably more powerful than everyone else. My issue is not with Satoshi's story, but with how well he fits into this RP in particular.
You could always use an earlier version of him who is a bit less powerful. It's just that the RP can't be controlled by one individual character. We all need to be able to get involved in things.
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Arc is stronger yet I some how doubt you'd have an issue with her
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Arc is stronger yet I some how doubt you'd have an issue with her
Well, it depends. If she was going to just solve everything and prevent everyone else from being able to RP then, yes, I would.
However, Arc is somewhat whimsical, whereas from what I can tell Toshi is a hero, so is more inclined to resolve problems.
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Not to mention Arc is usually nerfed by her bloodlust. Doesn't her power change according to the opponent? Don't quote me on that though, I'm probably wrong
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Not to mention Arc is usually nerfed by her bloodlust. Doesn't her power change according to the opponent? Don't quote me on that though, I'm probably wrong
It does, yeah, although she's always slightly more powerful than whoever she's fighting, so....
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Slightly more powerful? Oh...I usually forget that detail, too focused on her ditziness
@Lantz, There are only minor issues in the long run, mate, don't need to get so defensive. It is NOTHING conpared to Xamusel's character....
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In regards to whether it's my turn or not, I'm waiting for Elf to go first, since she has more priority to move in my opinion, and Archer can't act until Lancer does. :) I'll post after that happens.
And Xam, I've played Kingdom Hearts I and II and got through a good chunk of Chain of Memories, so if you need help at all, feel free to ask me. :) I know some stuff about the rest of the series too through LPs and stuff, and any gaps in my memory I can refill through rewatching the cutscenes on Youtube, so don't hesitate to ask if you need help. :D
As for my input on Satoshi...
Satoshi is vastly overpowered. Overpowered can work by itself if it's justified- see the Arc example. But the way Satoshi is overpowered isn't quite the same as how Arc is overpowered though, which is part of the main problem here.
In fact, I'm going to use Arc as a basis of comparison. Yes, Arc is stronger than Satoshi, possibly even so when nerfed by the blood lust. However, she has other things to balance her out further- like OPOI mentioned, she has her head in the clouds most of the time. Plus whether she acts or not really depends on the situation. The other thing that makes Arc work in spite of her OPness however, is that she's not usually serious as a character. I don't mean in terms of personality, I mean in terms of how the story portrays her. It doesn't slam how powerful she is in our face constantly, so when she does go into action, we can tell the situation is a very serious one in order to provoke her into doing so. Plus there's more to Arc than her power, so much more.
Satoshi, like Mike mentioned, is the type that wants to solve everyone's problems. His power is a key part of who he is, to the point it distracts from who he is as a character. He's very much the typical hero character besides that. He does have weaknesses, but he doesn't have enough weaknesses, so it makes the number of threats seem minimal. It makes it so he can pretty much solve everything with little hindrance, especially when so little can stop him. So when he goes around solving everyone's problems like magic, it disrupts both character dynamics and reduces conflict.
Conflict is key to making a story work- things become uninteresting without it. With how overpowered Satoshi is, he threatens to limit the level of conflicts. If he can solve pretty much all the problems in the story and everything is good and peaceful, then why have a story to begin with? If every enemy falls easily, there's little reason to be invested. Especially if Satoshi is taking over the fighting and problems solving for the other characters. Then you pretty much eliminate there being an RP in the first place, because it gives the rest of us nothing to do. And in an RP, you need to be considerate of the other players- you can't just do whatever you want, you need to think about them too.
You also need to not be so defensive when it comes to people's advice on this stuff. We aren't trying to attack you here. We're trying to help. Believe me, I'd love more feedback on my posts, because I feel like I have a lot to improve with my own writing. It's not an insult, trust me. Any writer that wants to soar to great heights in their profession needs to listen to the criticism they receive. Even if it is stated in a mean fashion, so long as there's anything that helps you improve in there, there's still something valuable to be gleaned from it, trust me. But in this case, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to help. None of us are trying to be mean. So please don't treat us as if we are and treat our advice seriously.
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Mike is projecting based on what I told him about the character's basic nature which is vastly different from his motivations post adventure, further Mike's objection is based off possibly losing a porn scene in the story to which I specifically stated Satoshi wasn't going to stop anyway.
clearly however you've seen fit to treat me like a six year old and will never let this go, so next time I won't even bother trying to put up another profile for a character.
you may not see what you've said as insulting Alice but it frankly is. I had hoped not to get the same stigma as on bl but clearly that's not the case
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The thing is that we don't know that backstory like Mike does- you need to understand that when you present us with this. We can only work with what we know from what you present to us. Not everyone's read your stories, so it's not fair to assume that we have. So you need to consider that.
As for Rider and Forest, the possible sex scene isn't what Mike's primarily concerned about. He's concerned about it interfering with the dynamic Rider now has set up with Forest, as well as the fact that it takes away any consequences that Fore has to deal with due to her actions.
Let me bring up an example- Twilight fails so hard as a book because there are no consequences. Everything is resolved nice and neatly, and the "good guys" don't have to worry about anything in the end. It takes away the tension, and thus the investment. This is an essential part to having interesting conflicts to drive a story. If everything is just resolved with little to no negative consequence, it causes people to lose interest.
So by just having Satoshi swoop in and just give Rider prana out of nowhere, not only does it make Satoshi seem overpowered in a bad way, but it also makes it so Fore doesn't have to worry about anything now, which robs the RP of some interesting character moments on Fore's part, since this little bargain I suspect will bring her some great discomfort indeed. So it's more that bad stuff still has to pass, and it has to come naturally from the characters and set up as to feel natural and to keep things interesting.
As for how you think we're treating you, it's because you are acting somewhat immature. The mature thing to do is to accept the criticism or even just ignore it entirely instead of telling us how you feel we're supposedly picking on you for doing so.
Also, what I said was never meant to be insulting, and the fact that you continue to take anything negative said about your writing as insulting is not good for you. Since you already think I'm out to get you as it is, I'll ask you this- if everyone everywhere you go seems to hold very similar opinions in regards to your need to improve, then doesn't that show that something need to change?
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They're just trying to help, Lantz.
Unlike Mike and myself, they're not familiar with 'Toshi and his story. They're also pretty new to RPing too. Not to mention a key factor is showing and not telling.
Also, critique isn't a bad thing. Seriously. I like critique because it helps me improve as a writer. As good as someone is at something, they can always be better. To be better sometimes an outside party has to call out issues and the like.
Don't get me wrong, it can sting like a bitch, but in the end it'll help.
Also, posted.
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Everyone who refuses to pay attention is wrong plain and simple.
you, like mike are shoveling actions you presume will occur onto a character you frankly know fuck all about. Furthermore regardless of any of the other abilities he has always had the ability to heal others, of course you will probably ignore this and compare me to twilight again so I'll end it here.
I'm sorry elf I tried to do as you asked but given Alice and Mike's issues combined with the lack of male characters open from canon I have no other characters to audition for the game, I'll of course continue to play Alter but that's it. I really can't stand people trying to lecture me on something I've been doing for a good ten years
edit: top half addresses Alice.
I'm not in the mood to keep get the fucking business about this guys
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Er... moving on, I hope that my modification to my post in the character thread was appropriate, and actually made sense.
Could anyone please tell me if it works?
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Yeah, your sheet looks fine, Xam. :) Obviously it looks somewhat OP, but it's Sephiroth, so that's kinda a given here. Though I have to ask- is this Kingdom Hearts Sephiroth, or is this Final Fantasy 7 Sephiroth?
Also, lantz.... You asked us for feedback. We gave it to you. I've tolerated you treating people badly because of the criticism they've given over the past few pages because I know from Mike that it's a bit of a trigger with you, but my patience has finally worn out.
lantz, if you address anyone else with the tone you just used to address me in your last post again, I'm issuing a warning. Is that understood?
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Er... moving on, I hope that my modification to my post in the character thread was appropriate, and actually made sense.
Could anyone please tell me if it works?
A++ for strength might be a bit too much...
I can't say I quite understand why you insist on your characters being able to access their multiversal powers, but in this case, it does little, except make him a nicer person.
All in all, much better than Haru Potter
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I was aiming for a Sephiroth that is from Final Fantasy 7, but had been affected by the Kingdom Hearts monsters, namely the Heartless.
I didn't know if I was making my version of Sephiroth appropriate or not, though, as it turns out, I guess I did. Thanks, Alice.
Also... what should I do to keep Sephiroth enjoyable?
@OPOI: If A++ Strength is a bit too much, then I guess I'll have to knock it down to A+, hopefully without any issues.
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I was aiming for a Sephiroth that is from Final Fantasy 7, but had been affected by the Kingdom Hearts monsters, namely the Heartless.
I didn't know if I was making my version of Sephiroth appropriate or not, though, as it turns out, I guess I did. Thanks, Alice.
Also... what should I do to keep Sephiroth enjoyable?
@OPOI: If A++ Strength is a bit too much, then I guess I'll have to knock it down to A+, hopefully without any issues.
I was kinda thinking A, cause I thought Sephiroth relied more on speed than strength, but I guess I'm wrong...
Depends on your definition of enjoyable. If you're talking about enjoyable to write, write him however you want (just kidding, I'm not that unhelpful)
I personally think you should keep him as the cold conniving super soldier we all love to hate. He'll be like the Crisis Core Sephiroth basically. Whatever you do though, DO NOT turn him into your average hero. If you turn him into someone like Luffy, I will come after you with a rusty chainsaw
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I was aiming for a Sephiroth that is from Final Fantasy 7, but had been affected by the Kingdom Hearts monsters, namely the Heartless.
I didn't know if I was making my version of Sephiroth appropriate or not, though, as it turns out, I guess I did. Thanks, Alice.
Also... what should I do to keep Sephiroth enjoyable?
@OPOI: If A++ Strength is a bit too much, then I guess I'll have to knock it down to A+, hopefully without any issues.
Ah, OK. :) Probably I'd just go with the FF7 version, since even when you bring Sora in, he'll still be a threat regardless, but if you do fuse the two, I'd probably just give him KH's Sephiroth's memories and not much else, since their abilities are pretty similar I think, and I don't think Sephiroth needs much else to murderate things.
And no problem- I like helping people~ :3 If you need any more advice, don't hesitate to ask in here again. :D
And yeah, looking at what OPOI said, knocking it down to A and putting more emphasis on his speed might be a good idea. ^_^" Sephiroth's definitely OP, but we can't have him be too over the top.
As for keeping him enjoyable... hmm... well, my memory's rusty on FF7 since I haven't played for awhile, but having fun with his twisted personality might be a good start. :3 Like OPOI was saying, keeping him evil or at least morally ambiguous is also good. Also, probably playing him on the lower side of his OPness would be good- Sephiroth could probably take even some of the higher ranking Servants on his own, so just stay on the cautious side with that.
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One problem as far as I'm aware... I can't write canonical Sephiroth all that well. If it turns out that I've written him completely off-base, I apologize, but I don't know how to best write him at all.
Now... his speed is definitely the better score this time. I saw to it that Sephiroth's score in Strength was reduced again... and that his Speed score was upped as a result.
Anything else I need to know?
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I've mentioned rusty chainsaws if he's suddenly a massive self-sacrificing hero with zero explanation si?
Remember, very little humor from Sephiroth, just the occasional wry comment.
Don't have him completely overpowering servants in one hit.
When developing relationships/friendships, go slowly. Sephiroth does not do love very easily, contrary to fangirl belief
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Mike is projecting based on what I told him about the character's basic nature which is vastly different from his motivations post adventure
Then explain it, don't just get pissy with everyone when they point the issue out.
further Mike's objection is based off possibly losing a porn scene in the story to which I specifically stated Satoshi wasn't going to stop anyway.
No, it isn't. That was just the most immediate example of a more general issue.
clearly however you've seen fit to treat me like a six year old and will never let this go, so next time I won't even bother trying to put up another profile for a character.
Lantz, constructive criticism of your work or characters is not "treating you like a six-year-old". We already tore apart Xamusel's first character, and he accepted that and came back with an alternative. Hell, even Kiyoshi had to be revised somewhat because you lot thought he didn't make sense for his age. Why should you be an exception?
Even the very best writers need criticism, Lantz, it is not good to treat it as a personal insult.
you may not see what you've said as insulting Alice but it frankly is. I had hoped not to get the same stigma as on bl but clearly that's not the case
Lantz, honest criticism isn't "insulting". If she has misunderstood the character, then the correct response is to explain it, not to get angry at someone because you haven't given them enough details.
I can understand you getting shirty with people like Neir who are just being dicks, but not with someone who is genuinely trying to help. Even if you don't like what they're saying, if they're genuinely trying to help you it is not fair to start flaming them just because you don't want to hear their opinion. Especially after you asked us to post it.
Everyone who refuses to pay attention is wrong plain and simple.
You haven't told us anything.
you, like mike are shoveling actions you presume will occur onto a character you frankly know fuck all about. Furthermore regardless of any of the other abilities he has always had the ability to heal others, of course you will probably ignore this and compare me to twilight again so I'll end it here.
Then bloody well explain it.
If we have concerns then you need to address them, not just get angry at us for daring to point them out (particularly after you explicitly asked us to do so). Sorry, but an RP can't work if none of us want to RP with your character because we consider him OP. You need to explain why it's not an issue, rather than just saying "tough shit". You accuse me of being selfish here, but you're not even considering how your actions will affect the RP for other people. You're just saying "I'll do whatever I like, deal with it".
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I've mentioned rusty chainsaws if he's suddenly a massive self-sacrificing hero with zero explanation si?
Remember, very little humor from Sephiroth, just the occasional wry comment.
Don't have him completely overpowering servants in one hit.
When developing relationships/friendships, go slowly. Sephiroth does not do love very easily, contrary to fangirl belief
Okay, thankfully I can work with that info, to be fair. Thank you for clearing that up for me (even if it takes a while to get that ready for my usage).
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Xam, in your post, what was the "massive explosion"? None of us did anything that would make any such explosion....
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I realize that none of you caused such a massive explosion in character. I also realize that I don't know which part of the city you guys live (in character). Therefore, I thought to make a connecting point for Sephiroth and your characters, as a terror cell could be anywhere in the city that people may want to eliminate.
...yes, the massive explosion is explained as a terror cell causing a bombing near Sephiroth's location, but I couldn't think of where you guys lived in game to make it more effective. To make this interesting, I thought to make it near the Statue of Liberty, the one place which reminded me of what terrorists would want to destroy.
Elf, where in the city is the Statue of Liberty? If you could tell us, that would be most appreciated.
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Elf, where in the city is the Statue of Liberty? If you could tell us, that would be most appreciated.
The Northeast side of town I think. I suck at Geography, so let's just say our heroes are currently in the central part of the city away from the harbor.
Also, Cherry, isn't it your turn?
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Elf, where in the city is the Statue of Liberty? If you could tell us, that would be most appreciated.
The Northeast side of town I think. I suck at Geography, so let's just say our heroes are currently in the central part of the city away from the harbor.
I'm going to assume we're a long way away from the explosion, because honestly I don't want to have to deal with that as well....
Plus, Rider ain't going to give a crap, honestly, as long as it's not a danger to her or Kiyoshi. Certainly she's not going to rush in there to investigate it when she has something else to deal with.
Also, Cherry, isn't it your turn?
Yeah, I've been busy today.
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Thanks, Elf, I appreciate it.
Now... who wants to see what to do about the situation I made inadvertently?
Of course, as explained to me, you guys were in a massive fight scene... and I don't want to shoehorn my stuff into this.
@Cherry: I get that my stuff is not going to be that important right about now. Therefore, I'll just say that I hope to have something tied in with you guys, but not something that was put in artificially.
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Thanks, Elf, I appreciate it.
Now... who wants to see what to do about the situation I made inadvertently?
Of course, as explained to me, you guys were in a massive fight scene... and I don't want to shoehorn my stuff into this.
@Cherry: I get that my stuff is not going to be that important right about now. Therefore, I'll just say that I hope to have something tied in with you guys, but not something that was put in artificially.
We can see what you want to do about it, but unfortunately, none of our characters could get involved yet. Rider wouldn't give a fuck, Forest would, but she's otherwise occupied right now.
Also, I added Forest her most embarrassing skill: Orgasmic Bite.
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I can only imagine what that's about, Elf.
I mean, a bite that can induce orgasms?
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I can only imagine what that's about, Elf.
I mean, a bite that can induce orgasms?
She is a vampire, and that's sort of a common thing in vampire fiction.
Telepathy stimulates the pleasure senses of the brain so on and so forth and the person who gets fed off of has a very good time. They just may need a change of clothing afterwards.
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Is that so?
Remind me to work on including that sort of thing in my own story stuff.
Anyway, what's with the turn thing, Elf? I just need to make sure I get this straightened out.
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In Anne Rice's books, it's sort of more the opposite, the vampires getting pleasure from the feeding. It was their replacement for sex. If you're curious, Forest generally "in canon" uses it as punishment. Someone pisses her off enough? They'll get bit. Not that's a bad thing or anything, but she doesn't see it that way.
Anyway, barring the fascinating subject of vampire sex, the posting thing.
Basically, the action flows like this, I can't post until after Mike, Alice, Lantz, and OPOI post because I'm reacting to their stuff. It just depends where your character is and what they're doing.
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Ah. I see now. Thanks for clearing that up.
In the meantime, I'll be waiting for the end result, if anything.
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Alrighty, if all goes as planned, I'm putting up three character sheets. One includes a Single Young Man for Elf to play with, hopefully along the lines of what we discussed. :3
But yeah, since two of these are OCs, I'd really appreciate feedback this time. Especially on Mr. Single Young Man, since he was much more spur of the moment in terms of his creation. The sheets are kinda rough just like Archer's, but I'll improve them if need be. I also don't mind changing the names on said OCs either, since the names are kinda just thrown on there. ^_^"
EDIT: ...yeaaaaahh, my lack of sleep really shows here, I think. Feedback is really appreciated, as I don't think I did a great job with these sheets.
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Of course participating.
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Ok elf I managed despite the stupid mobile slow down to get bit of a personality description added to the profile although having read the last few addresses to me I'm not sure if I wasted my time in doing so
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Looks like we got some interesting characters that showed up. XD
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Yeah, I'm writing my post now, but I have a lot of stuff to deal with....
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IRL or not IRL?
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In the game, I mean.
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Alright, just double-checking, Cherry.
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In the game, I mean.
Rider is not having a very good day, is she?
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I highly doubt that she is at all.
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In the game, I mean.
Rider is not having a very good day, is she?
No, not at all. Particularly since Kiyoshi is still alone in the hotel, having almost certainly been awoken by the explosion if nothing else....
Also, Daiki, what does Shuya's "Charisma" mean in this case? How would you expect Rider to be affected by it, if at all?
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I take it now's as good a time as any to continue Sephiroth's plot?
Just curious is all.
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Yeah, Rider seems to be getting Hakuno's luck now. ^_^" ...speaking of which, lol, Archer's gonna have his hands full trying to keep Rider from hitting on her once things quiet down it seems. :3
Since you asked me for feedback elsewhere, Cherry, btw, you did just fine. :D Only thing I saw that needs correcting is Hakuno's shield dropping, since she's still struggling with it but it hasn't quite dropped yet, but it's not a biggie since it's a logical conclusion to make, and I was kinda ambiguous about it as well.
And yeah, I think you'd be fine Xam. :) Your stuff seems to be removed from the huge mess happening at the middle of the city, so I don't see any reason why you can't really. :)
EDIT: BTW, Lancer's comment made me think about something again- am I getting Archer right? ^_^" This version's generally less grumpy than the FSN version, but still, I wanna make sure I'm doing OK characterization-wise.
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Man, if the crazy keeps happening around Forest, she's going to lose it and just start punching idiots.
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LOL. XD Hopefully any new charas that come in at this point won't join the current huge mess that's going on in the City's center. ^_^"
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Forest is very much getting "too old for this shit".
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Holy shit this is almost worse than the 5th Grail War. Rider's luck really SUCKS
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LOL. XD Hopefully any new charas that come in at this point won't join the current huge mess that's going on in the City's center. ^_^"
Anymore will seriously break things. Observation, sure. If they participate...the city may get flattened, and most characters will probably die...
Like Lantz did, assuming he doesn't jump in...
Then again, with Lancer and Archer incoming, the city probably will get flattened...
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Yeah, hopefully activity starts to spread out more. ^_^" Rin dropping in on Archer and Lancer might slow things down a bit at least on that front.
That was one text wall of death I posted though. O_O Should I split it into two posts? Also, any feedback on that monster is appreciated. ^_^"
EDIT: I also just realized that I may need to take part of Daiki's most recent post into consideration as well, and edit my post accordingly though it might still work as is. Any feedback on this is appreciated as well. :) ...This is also why I need to sleep before I do this stuff.
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Yeah, Rider seems to be getting Hakuno's luck now. ^_^" ...speaking of which, lol, Archer's gonna have his hands full trying to keep Rider from hitting on her once things quiet down it seems. :3
Lol, yeah....
Since you asked me for feedback elsewhere, Cherry, btw, you did just fine. :D Only thing I saw that needs correcting is Hakuno's shield dropping, since she's still struggling with it but it hasn't quite dropped yet, but it's not a biggie since it's a logical conclusion to make, and I was kinda ambiguous about it as well.
Ah, OK. I'll have to fix that then.
Also, OPOI, is Shirou actually doing the full UBW chant there? And, if not, would Rider be able to tell that he's not?
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Ugh... I finally finished the post I was going to have done yesterday!!
Sorry about that, guys.
By the way, guys, the Enforcers idea that I added was my idea for a police group. Hope that it wasn't presumptuous of me.
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It'll work, methinks.
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Yeah, Rider seems to be getting Hakuno's luck now. ^_^" ...speaking of which, lol, Archer's gonna have his hands full trying to keep Rider from hitting on her once things quiet down it seems. :3
Lol, yeah....
Since you asked me for feedback elsewhere, Cherry, btw, you did just fine. :D Only thing I saw that needs correcting is Hakuno's shield dropping, since she's still struggling with it but it hasn't quite dropped yet, but it's not a biggie since it's a logical conclusion to make, and I was kinda ambiguous about it as well.
Ah, OK. I'll have to fix that then.
Also, OPOI, is Shirou actually doing the full UBW chant there? And, if not, would Rider be able to tell that he's not?
It depends on what happens. If intimidation works, then Just the first line is sufficient. If I'm forced to actually deploy UBW, the chant will be different, but I'm not quite sure how...
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Thanks, Elf, I was getting curious.
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It depends on what happens. If intimidation works, then Just the first line is sufficient. If I'm forced to actually deploy UBW, the chant will be different, but I'm not quite sure how...
Well, I was just asking to see if Rider would point it out or not. But, then, I noticed that Hakuno has already, so....
Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to be able to post tonight. I'll try to get something done earlyish tomorrow, though.
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Just do your best when you can~
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By the way, if anyone could please comment on the fight scene I wrote, I'd appreciate it greatly.
Thank you everyone.
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By the way, if anyone could please comment on the fight scene I wrote, I'd appreciate it greatly.
Thank you everyone.
Right, sorry, too busy thinking up scenarios to deal with clusterfuck. Not getting anything
ANYWAY:
Fight (warning, I will be really harsh, sorry about that. I can tell you're trying hard, so keep at it!!):
Bit short, especially since you're fighting an NPC, and as such, can actually dictate what both characters can do. The rest of us are currently constrained by what our opponent will do, so we have to keep our sequence short to let our opponents react; you have no such limitation.
Power level: Not quite sure why random NPC no. 1 is capable of pretty much beating Sephiroth into the ground. Even if he resembles Zack Fair (and remember Zack and Cloud got curbstomped for the most part by Sephiroth as well...)
Not to mention (Quoted from yourself)
Strength: A
Agility: A
Speed: A++
Swordsmanship A+
In other words, stronger, faster, more agile, than Berserker, and pretty much most Servants...
Result: Sephiroth should have wiped the floor with Gatou Nouji (I know you were probably going for said mook to be a boss character, but Worf Effect was a little heavy here), and he most certainly should not have been hit three times, and nearly drop Masamune from the sword impacts. You tried justifying it, but I was under the impression Sephiroth is beyond true weapon masters...
I know you were going for drama, but the nature of your chosen character makes it somewhat unbelievable for a named mook to beat him into the ground...
Actual fight: simple. Too simple. Far too simple. Unbelievably far too simple. It consisted of Gatou hitting Sephiroth, Sephiroth randomly feeling the Worf, Sephiroth swinging in his general direction, Gatou hitting Sephiroth, more Worf, Gatou missing, then Sephiroth setting him on fire. Game over.
Vary up Sephiroth's attacks. Just saying "Sephiroth swung his sword in his opponent's general direction," is...{DATA REDACTED} Seriously, spice it up, maybe: "Suddenly Sephiroth pushed off the ground with tremendous force, his coat fluttering as he powered his way through the air. His nodachi, gleaming brightly under the rays of the nearby light, speared swiftly towards his desired target, but only hit air as Gatou altered his course with inhuman speed, the thin blade missing him by milimetres." Every little detail counts.
Basically I was saying the whole time: WHERE BE THE TACTICS? DESCRIPTION? ACTUAL SWORD TECHNIQUES? THE TRADE MARK SEPHIROTH SMIRK AND TAUNTING? INTERNAL DIALOGUE?
Oh and the potion. 11th hour superpower was kinda pushing it this time.
My advice: elaborate on the fight. Actually add a fight, not curb-stomping on one side then sudden curbstomping on the other because of a potion.
Changing the power levels at this point would probably break your post, but take the levels into account next time.
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There, the twins enter the fray.
^You're a bit quick to jump to conclusion. The guy could be pretty powerful and not a simple mob. He even had a name.
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Actually, Daiki, OPOI's right. I honestly need to work on my fight scenes. I mean, I hate it when it becomes a case of one side curb-stomping the other for a while before switching around for a short bit, but that's unfortunately how I write right now.
I'm still trying to correct that one... it's pretty damn annoying that I have such trouble with this.
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OK, well, I've posted.
I'd like some feedback on my characterisation of Rider. Am I getting her right, do you think?
Also, since I have a very strong suspicion it's going to come up at some point, what happens if two people both attempt to create a Reality Marble? Whose wins out?
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I think you did fine overall. As for Reality marbles it's either russian dolls(one of them seals the other but doesn't negate it) or maybe they can coexist somehow but not at full effect, interferences being caused by the clash of the concepts. (well my guess anyway)
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I'm pretty sure they can't co-exist, but it's possible that the second one essentially replaces the first one in the same way as the first one replaces the world as a whole.
Also, you do know that Rider now has her blindfold on, right? She can't look at anything right now....
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Shuya's referring to her behavior for the whole confrontation.
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Ah, OK.
Well, whilst he doesn't know it, Rider doesn't need sight to fight. I mean, she fights most of the time wearing a blindfold....
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Original theory was that they'd cancel each other out. I mean the Reality Marbles I mean.
And I finally posted. Forest has had enough of everyone's shit.
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3 people addressing me all at once, not sure when they occurred in relation with one another, 5 characters just joined, and now Forest is talking...
Yeah I'm going to be a while with this post
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Actually, Daiki, OPOI's right. I honestly need to work on my fight scenes. I mean, I hate it when it becomes a case of one side curb-stomping the other for a while before switching around for a short bit, but that's unfortunately how I write right now.
I'm still trying to correct that one... it's pretty damn annoying that I have such trouble with this.
Don't worry about it Xam, everyone has trouble at first! I still remember the lecture I got from my brother when he for reasons unknown decided to read a story I wrote for school (I have a long memory, deal with it~) and I had much the same problems you did. I'm just glad you're so willing to improve, it's a great attitude! Just keep at it! Remember to expand on descriptions and actions though ok?
@Daiki, yeah I got the feeling that Gatou was meant to be a big boss NPC, but I still found the fight a bit too one-sided in his favour. If it hadn't been Sephiroth, I would've accepted it no problem
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3 people addressing me all at once, not sure when they occurred in relation with one another, 5 characters just joined, and now Forest is talking...
Yeah I'm going to be a while with this post
Hmm, I think you're a bit confused about how Hakuno's shield is working. It's only covering her, Rider and Touzaki aren't inside it. Hence why Touzaki had to punch at it....
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@OPOI Plus it's not trapping her so much as she has to stay still at this point to maintain her concentration. The main thing with the shield right now is that it's draining her physically since she can't control her prana very well just yet, which will eventually make her even more vulnerable. Still, I probably didn't explain enough on how the shield works, so it's ok. :)
Plus the whole post taking forever thing because there's so much to reply to, that also makes it hard. ^_^" I feel your pain. All too well. Heck, I'm still trying to get my post written, with little luck thus far.
@Xam, yeah, like OPOI said, wanting to improve and being receptive to criticism is a very good attitude to have. The only things I'll add to what OPOI said is to make sure and always keep Sephiroth's status as a villain/antagonist in mind when writing him, and like OPOI suggested, make sure to keep his power levels in mind.
I think the reason you tend to take the curbstomp followed by the other person curb stomping approach is because you've seen it a good number of times in Shonen stuff before. It works with your average shonen protagonist, since more often than not they tend to be underdogs of some kind or facing some form of powerful enemy, but with Sephiroth, it's going to take quite a bit to even make him break a sweat. Even if Gatou is really powerful, Sephiroth should be able to take him on pretty easily regardless. So just keep that in mind when writing him in the future. :)
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3 people addressing me all at once, not sure when they occurred in relation with one another, 5 characters just joined, and now Forest is talking...
Yeah I'm going to be a while with this post
Hmm, I think you're a bit confused about how Hakuno's shield is working. It's only covering her, Rider and Touzaki aren't inside it. Hence why Touzaki had to punch at it....
Oooohhhh
OK that changes things slightly
By the way, can I just respond to Daiki, or do I have to wait my turn?
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think you can just respond to him alone just fine. :)
But yeah, otherwise you're gonna have to wait a bit, since it's my turn next- I tried staying up to try and write this post, but at this point I'm having a hard time formulating my post properly, so it seems I may have to rest first afterall. So I'm going to go ahead and post later today, when my brain's functioning a bit better and I'm able to address everything I need to properly.
So yeah, if you feel fine with that, go on ahead. :)
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3 people addressing me all at once, not sure when they occurred in relation with one another, 5 characters just joined, and now Forest is talking...
Yeah I'm going to be a while with this post
Hmm, I think you're a bit confused about how Hakuno's shield is working. It's only covering her, Rider and Touzaki aren't inside it. Hence why Touzaki had to punch at it....
Oooohhhh
OK that changes things slightly
By the way, can I just respond to Daiki, or do I have to wait my turn?
It depends. In this case, I suspect Rider might have something to say to you, so I'd probably rather you wait. I certainly intend to communicate with Hakuno, anyway.
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OK, working on my post now- I got the bit with Rin and Archer done, which I'm going to post right now. I'm aiming to get part II with Hakuno done tonight as well, but I wanted to at least get one part of my response up ASAP.
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OPOI, if MOS Shirou continues, Forest just might get frustrated and just bite him.
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Enthralled Shirou incoming.
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Enthralled Shirou incoming.
More like . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY)
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I wasn't planning to get orgasm bitten...
I was planning to wait for Mike, but I'll post tonight if you really want me to (I have just the plan for Shirou/Rider interactions from now on. Lets just say it'll be familiar to a lot of people...)
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Nah, it's OK if you wait for Mike. :) ....Gives myself and other people time to spot mistakes in that post I just made. :3
...Seriously though, if you see any mistakes or anything I missed, feel free to point it out. I've been more likely to make mistakes and stuff over the past few days or so, so again, feedback is appreciated and may or may not get you some form of internet cookie.
But yeah, in the end it's up to you to decide when you update, so no need to let yourself be rushed. :)
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Ruu uses sad puppy eyes.
It's not very effective.
More like . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY)
Make it happen.
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I can't post this weekend, so I just wrote something quickly. The post is probably really bad, so sorry in advance.
@Daiki, sorry for ruining your hope for orgasm bite. I was thinking about prolonging the fight, but well...I've already prolonged it once. Also, even if it's MOS Shirou, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't try to kill unless it actually benefitted people, which it doesn't here. If anyone else screws up though...no mercy
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Erm, it would have been good if you could have waited for me to reply to your last post before making another one. Rider is definitely going to respond to what happened in the first post, and I'm not going to change what she would have done because you posted again.
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Erm, it would have been good if you could have waited for me to reply to your last post before making another one. Rider is definitely going to respond to what happened in the first post, and I'm not going to change what she would have done because you posted again.
Well shit, I knew I should have waited...
Ok I'll change my second depending on your one. Nobody respond to the second!!
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Erm, it would have been good if you could have waited for me to reply to your last post before making another one. Rider is definitely going to respond to what happened in the first post, and I'm not going to change what she would have done because you posted again.
Well shit, I knew I should have waited...
Ok I'll change my second depending on your one. Nobody respond to the second!!
Well, it depends on what you want to do. I don't mind you keeping that post there, and I will respond to it, but it means you won't be able to respond to anything I do in response to your first post, which will have happened before the stuff in the second post.
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And, more generally, it would be nice if people actually gave others a chance to respond to their actions before posting again. For example, Daiki, you never gave me any opportunity to respond to your first post before walking away. For all you know, Rider might have decided to attack you whilst you were distracted or something.
I'm honestly finding it quite hard to reply to your posts, Daiki, because you keep assuming Rider won't act when she quite probably would. You attack Hakuno and assume no-one will react to that, and then you keep going quite a way after that, before walking away in a second post and assuming no-one has done anything. So, I'm now struggling to justify why Rider hasn't just jumped straight in there when she actually would have.
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Wait a second. You wrote yourself that she didn't want to fight him. Then you tell me later she would have attacked when he lowers his guard. Of course I'd assume she would rather avoid to fight if given the opportunity. Especially when another guy jumps in and starts to talk to you.
If you feel that I sealed away your actions and/or dialogue, then post anyway, I will edit what needs to be. It's kinda late to tell me this though, would you have done so earlier, I could have removed/edited my post(s?) before others reacted to it.
If the pace is an issue to you guys, I'll just post once per week(or less if need be).
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Wait a second. You wrote yourself that she didn't want to fight him. Then you tell me later she would have attacked when he lowers his guard. Of course I'd assume she would rather avoid to fight if given the opportunity. Especially when another guy jumps in and starts to talk to you.
Well, yeah, that is true. But, even so, Rider definitely would have said something, at least, and she also wouldn't be too happy about you attacking Hakuno. That is the most likely point she'd have jumped in, and she'd have certainly at least made a comment. Also, whilst she would like to avoid the fight, if you seem likely to want to continue and she sees a chance to finish you off she'll take it.
But, the point is not so much that I wanted to attack you as it is that I'm clearly going to do something in response to what you said and did, and it seems odd for you to completely ignore that. You say something to me, turn away, deal with Hakuno and then talk to me again. In that time Rider would clearly reply to your first comment, which might make what you say second sound odd.
If you feel that I sealed away your actions and/or dialogue, then post anyway, I will edit what needs to be.
OK.
It's kinda late to tell me this though, would you have done so earlier, I could have removed/edited my post(s?) before others reacted to it.
Well, yes, perhaps. I only really realised it was causing me an issue when I came to reply, though (I was waiting for Alice before). I should have said something about the second post, but I was being polite about it.
If the pace is an issue to you guys, I'll just post once per week(or less if need be).
It's not the pace, as such, I'd just rather it if you'd give everyone a chance to react before you post. I never posted before because I was waiting for Alice.
Basically, if you're interacting with people like we are here, then you should try to wait for everyone you're interacting with (with that character) to post before you post again. There are exceptions to that, if a character is clearly not going to say or do anything or if your post was pretty short (in terms of time covered) and aimed only at one person, but if you directly address a character and do things they're likely to take exception to (like attacking Hakuno) then you should let that character reply.
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Yeah, that was the reason why I had to set my first post back 2 minutes just to answer everyone...
Also crisis averted, Cherry and I figured something out, do respond away to the second post
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Yeah, that was the reason why I had to set my first post back 2 minutes just to answer everyone...
Yeah, although that in itself caused me a few problems, because the stuff you said in response to Daiki's girl would have changed what I said to you. Not much we can do about that, though....
Daiki, I do think your first post should have stopped around when Shuya attacks Hakuno, though. When you act on someone, you should give them and everyone else a chance to react to that, not just assume they all do nothing. I honestly think Rider would have attacked at that point, and probably so would a few other people (not to mention Hakuno herself), but you never let us make the choice.
I'm not asking for that post to be changed, too many people have replied to it now, but in the future it would be good if people would consider whether their actions are likely to cause others to want to react, and if so they should stop at that point and allow people to do so.
Also crisis averted, Cherry and I figured something out, do respond away to the second post
Well, not until I've responded, I'm far enough behind as it is....
Also, you will probably need to edit it a bit, because Rider will have dropped her aggression long before that point. After all, she has no desire to fight, even if she's not exactly fond of this Shirou. Plus, she can summon her weapons in about a millisecond, so desummoning them costs her very little.
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Dully noted.
However Mike, you don't need to moderate yourself. If an issue arises, just point it out. It's for the better.
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Dully noted.
Thanks. Also, it's "duly" :P
However Mike, you don't need to moderate yourself. If an issue arises, just point it out. It's for the better.
Yeah, guess I should have brought it up earlier, at least the second post thing. The rest I genuinely didn't notice until I came to write my reply. Because I'm honestly struggling to write it, although most of that is due to the nature of the RP rather than because of your posts. They're just making it a bit more difficult.
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Thanks. Also, it's "duly" :P
That level of pun, mate.
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FINALLY!!! I'm done with my post at last! At long last! There's probably a chance I missed some stuff and I don't know if I did a great job or anything but IT'S FINALLY DONE, WOOT!!!
Ahem.... anyone who was waiting on me is free to post now. ^_^"
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Hmm, I think we're waiting on OPOI now. I'm not sure what to do there, though, since he's not supposed to be on until Wednesday.
I think I'm up after him, but I think quite a few of us, me included, are waiting for a response from him before continuing. I can continue and assume he's ignored me (which he implied he would), but it would be good to at least give him a chance to respond.
What does everyone think? Should we wait for OPOI or continue?
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As much as it pains me to say it, I think we should wait.
Plus, Archer just arrived with MOS Shirou in the same alley.
This should prove interesting.
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As much as it pains me to say it, I think we should wait.
Yeah, I'd agree. Shirou is just too important here....
Plus, Archer just arrived with MOS Shirou in the same alley.
This should prove interesting.
Yeah, definitely. Although, if Rider discovers the truth Archer will definitely have an ally in taking him down....
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Bad mike, no more standoffs :P
as for rider finding out that'll depend on opoi's next post
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Bad mike, no more standoffs :P
Lol, sorry, but I couldn't have Rider act any other way and remain even remotely in-character. To her, there is only one unforgiveable sin, and that's hurting Sakura. Anyone who murdered Sakura deserves a painful death, and I can't see there being any way someone could redeem theirselves in her eyes.
as for rider finding out that'll depend on opoi's next post
Well, yeah, and any future posts....
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For Alice, Archer Alter's profile is now up.
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Hmm, interesting.
I wonder, how would he feel about the idea of a threesome with Rin and Rider? Because Rider will definitely be after Rin too, and she is a rather kinky person....
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Yay, he's here! :D Things are about to get even more interesting~
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The only thing I found off about your post Alice was that archer (and the other characters but they don't matter as much) looked over the area and failed to observe the guy dressed like him
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Hmm, interesting.
I wonder, how would he feel about the idea of a threesome with Rin and Rider? Because Rider will definitely be after Rin too, and she is a rather kinky person....
He'd definitely be up for that. He has no problems with Rider, but he will make it clear to where his claim lies.
Plus he knows that Rin likes girls too, and would have no problem in bringing in a third party for Rin to indulge herself with.
Not to mention, he is going to have some fun with MOS Shirou.
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Quick question, is the image accurate? In so far as archer having one arm
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Quick question, is the image accurate? In so far as archer having one arm
He's got both arms. It was one that I had that closely resembled my description of him, but was missing an arm. However, Archer Alter has both of his arms.
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Hmm, interesting.
I wonder, how would he feel about the idea of a threesome with Rin and Rider? Because Rider will definitely be after Rin too, and she is a rather kinky person....
He'd definitely be up for that. He has no problems with Rider, but he will make it clear to where his claim lies.
Plus he knows that Rin likes girls too, and would have no problem in bringing in a third party for Rin to indulge herself with.
Yeah, Rider would be fine with that, she's not really after a long-term relationship. Particularly with someone who she's ultimately going to have to leave (she wouldn't want to deprive Rin's Sakura of a sister, and she wouldn't be willing to abandon her own master). Plus, if she wanted a long-term relationship with Rin she's got her own version to go after.
And, anyway, she's well aware of Rin's interest in Archer, so she wouldn't expect to out-compete him. And, I suspect Rin and Dark Archer could dom the hell out of Rider, which she would enjoy. Or, alternately, she and Archer could dom the hell out of Rin, which she would enjoy just as much....
I can see her needling Archer and Rin a bit, though, and seeing if they'll "punish" her for it. She tries to get Sakura and Shirou to do so sometimes, but they're mostly interested in each other (they might have the occasional threesome to spice up their sex life a bit) and are also aware of her intentions and, thus, don't use it as a punishment.
Not to mention, he is going to have some fun with MOS Shirou.
Yeah, and that would definitely get him on Rider's good side, particularly once Sakura shows up and makes it clear she can't kill him. Anything that needles him and makes him feel shitty is good to her.
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Well there goes the Monty python bit and snark from satoshi
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Well there goes the Monty python bit and snark from satoshi
Eh, what?
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He's talking about referencing the Black Knight "it's only a flesh wound!" bit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It's for the best really, in this scenario it wouldn't really be that funny, and the reference joke's been done to death anyway. ^_^"
As for the conversation between Elf and Cherry about Dark Archer stuff, I see Dark Archer being a very happy man indeed, one way or another~
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I need a meme image that says "Maximum Bitches!"
Archer Alter's been getting around here- prana transfers when there aren't suitable victims for him to eat.
Yes, he will constantly needle MOS Shirou when they're around and if he's not distracted by Rin.
Soooo, after this clears up, is Rider going to grab the kid so she can take Forest on that Prana transfer offer?
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Well, unless someone else makes a better offer Rider will definitely take Forest up on it. It's not as simple as just grabbing the kid, though. For one thing, Rider ain't going to want him to watch her having sex....
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Well, unless someone else makes a better offer Rider will definitely take Forest up on it. It's not as simple as just grabbing the kid, though. For one thing, Rider ain't going to want him to watch her having sex....
But Forest doesn't want to leave the boy alone either in this city. (Just Lancer's a poor baby sitter.)
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OPOI... OPOI, you posted early. O_O ...*hug tackles OPOI* Thank yooooouuuu~ ❤ (tis a nice post too, btw :3)
Good luck with everything IRL btw! :D
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*crashes into the floor*
Managed to get a bit of time sl wrote something quickly. Didn't want to stall things too much for people. It's a bit short though...
Thanks for the...enthusiasm Alice
*hugs back*
And yeah, hopefully everything IRL will go well!
Also...Alter Archer... Could MOS Shirou have a temporary ally? Though seeing as everyone Hates MOS Shirou (MOSS) I doubt it would last long...
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Well, unless someone else makes a better offer Rider will definitely take Forest up on it. It's not as simple as just grabbing the kid, though. For one thing, Rider ain't going to want him to watch her having sex....
But Forest doesn't want to leave the boy alone either in this city. (Just Lancer's a poor baby sitter.)
Well, yes, and does would Rider want to, really. She's feeling bad enough about just leaving him in the hotel.
*crashes into the floor*
Managed to get a bit of time sl wrote something quickly. Didn't want to stall things too much for people. It's a bit short though...
Thanks for the...enthusiasm Alice
*hugs back*
And yeah, hopefully everything IRL will go well!
Thanks for posting a bit earlier. Even if it's short, that doesn't really matter. At least now we can get on with it for a bit. Although your attempt to justify your actions was rather hilarious, and Rider will tear that to shreds.
Also, your Shirou is trying really hard to willfully misinterpret Rider to fit his own pre-conceived conclusions about how things must have gone, isn't he...?
Also...Alter Archer... Could MOS Shirou have a temporary ally? Though seeing as everyone Hates MOS Shirou (MOSS) I doubt it would last long...
From what I can tell of his personality, no way. He's more like HF Shirou than MoS Shirou, only a lot more selfish than either. He protects the people he cares about and that's it. And, since Rin is one of the people he cares about and she will definitely not support MoS Shirou (she's post-HF), you don't have a chance.
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Forever alone..
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Forever alone..
Well, yeah, that's what you get when you murder the girl who loved you more than anything in cold blood, and then proceed to murder everyone else who gave a shit about you....
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To be fair Satoshi doesn't hate him and alter hasn't met him yet so there's still opportunities to make friends
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To be fair Satoshi doesn't hate him and alter hasn't met him yet so there's still opportunities to make friends
Why doesn't Toshi hate him? He's an asshole....
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Actually Alice he would have made the reference to "whatcha gonna do? Bleed on me?"
and mike the reason he doesn't is because of multiple things, firstly that he thinks fourth dimensionally and is aware that such worlds need to exist. Secondly because he's been saddled with archer's memories so judgmental attacks are seen as wrong to him. Thirdly because hate doesn't bring about reform and fourthly and most importantly isolation is against his own empathy, this is the guy who forgave Gilgamesh and saved Enkidu bringing the latter to the future so the former could have his friend back
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Forever alone..
Forest is trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, who's turn is it?
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Also, who's turn is it?
Mine. Post is coming shortly....
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Mine. Post is coming shortly....
Sweet, like baby meat!
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And it's done....
Honestly, I think we should try to make more of an effort to make our posts cover a bit less in-game time. The whole first half of my most recent post covers a time period before the end of my previous post, which is seriously confusing and quite difficult to handle. It's probably not something we can do much about for this particular exchange at this point, but I think it's worth bearing in mind in the future.
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Posted, intro speech done
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And it's done....
Honestly, I think we should try to make more of an effort to make our posts cover a bit less in-game time. The whole first half of my most recent post covers a time period before the end of my previous post, which is seriously confusing and quite difficult to handle. It's probably not something we can do much about for this particular exchange at this point, but I think it's worth bearing in mind in the future.
Yeah I know that feeling. I hate having to start a few minutes before my actual post just to actually get to everyone (and I realised that I completely forgot to talk to Lantz...) it gets really confusing.
I was actually about to ask if I could just answer Forest and Rider before more people post to avoid confusion..,
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Yeah, go ahead. :) I can wait for you to post before I post myself.
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You can post now.
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Which is exactly what I just did~
Gaze upon my painfully long post, ye mighty, and despair. Again, feedback is awesome, wanted, and earns you internet confectionaries, yada yada yada.
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Hmm, OPOI, whilst your post is generally good, if you are actually MoS Shirou (as opposed to an AU version), then Saber would have been dead. The shadow eats her several days before the MoS decision, and killing Sakura would finish her off for good.
Oh, also, Rider isn't wearing her eye mask any more. She's dressed in her casual outfit, with the glasses Rin made.
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Hmm, OPOI, whilst your post is generally good, if you are actually MoS Shirou (as opposed to an AU version), then Saber would have been dead. The shadow eats her several days before the MoS decision, and killing Sakura would finish her off for good.
Oh, also, Rider isn't wearing her eye mask any more. She's dressed in her casual outfit, with the glasses Rin made.
Oh...time to change
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Oh geeze, Archer's pissed, isn't he?
So, is Cherry up again?
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Indeed he is (...though I don't know if I went overboard with that or not ^_^"). :3
And I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. There's probably some wiggle room for other people to go, but I'm not really sure about that either. ^_^"
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Yeah, I'm up. I certainly need to reply to OPOI, you and Lantz. Elf might be OK to go if she's not waiting on Rider, though....
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Hmm, sorry, I don't think I'll be able to post tonight, I've been dealing with other stuff. I'll definitely post tomorrow, though.
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Xam, I'd like you to update(even if it's short).
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Hmm, sorry, I don't think I'll be able to post tonight, I've been dealing with other stuff. I'll definitely post tomorrow, though.
Looking forward to it.
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And posted, finally.
God, that thing took ages to write....
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I'll have my post up before I go to bed, that's a promise!
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And post!
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Hmm, I think I'm misunderstanding how Servants can gain prana...
I was under the impression it could only be done: a) via tantric ritual (aka sexy times for everyone)
b) eating souls and c) tapping ley lines... Can you actually just take a small bit with minimal damage from a person?
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Yeah, you can- there's prana in various body fluids, such as blood, saliva, and... *cough.* The cases you mentioned are more for mass amounts of prana. The tantric ritual is for a case when someone really needs a boost of prana, for instance (such as a Servant with very low prana levels). So yup, it's possible. :)
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Isa gives diabete.
Note: Isa has not left the place yet.(in case you want some reactions to your reactions)
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Oh my god you're right, I got diabetes from that
Response in which I don't have to be a jackass will be coming up sometime tomorrow
Yeah, you can- there's prana in various body fluids, such as blood, saliva, and... *cough.* The cases you mentioned are more for mass amounts of prana. The tantric ritual is for a case when someone really needs a boost of prana, for instance (such as a Servant with very low prana levels). So yup, it's possible. :)
Oh OK, that explains things then. Thanks Alice!
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Hmm, I think I'm misunderstanding how Servants can gain prana...
I was under the impression it could only be done: a) via tantric ritual (aka sexy times for everyone)
b) eating souls and c) tapping ley lines... Can you actually just take a small bit with minimal damage from a person?
Well, in the non-ero HF, Sakura gets prana from Shirou by sucking blood. Plus, Rider takes prana from multiple different people by that method in the various routes, and none of them die or are left as husks (they seem to recover just fine), so it can't be simple as "eating souls". And, Rider is sucking blood post-HF (although admittedly for pleasure and not prana), with Rin's knowledge, and I can't imagine Rin would be OK with that if it was causing genuine harm.
You're right that the most "effective" method would be to suck the person dry, but it's not the only method.
Isa gives diabete.
Yeah, that was cute....
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Oh, also, I'm away this weekend, and I'm leaving not long after I get up on Friday. So, I don't think I'm going to be able to make another post until Monday.
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Posted
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OK, I've posted Sakura's character sheet. I don't intend to use her just yet (I need to do Shirou and Aoi's character sheet first, plus it's not the right time to introduce her), but I thought it would be good to get some feedback on it. Plus, I'd like to have them available for when I do need them, and so I don't need to explain why it takes so long for them to arrive....
I won't be online again until Sunday, though, so my next post in the RP will have to wait until then.
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You might want to define how the healing works a bit better, I assume it's a standard healing spell meaning that wounds that prevent such casting or healing magic would render said healing ineffective.
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Man, I really want to have Forest respond now. Would any one mind if I do?
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Nah, go on ahead. :3 I'm probably gonna post tomorrow anyway. :)
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You might want to define how the healing works a bit better, I assume it's a standard healing spell meaning that wounds that prevent such casting or healing magic would render said healing ineffective.
It's not a "healing spell", as such, it's just a passive effect of having lots of prana. Wounds which can't be healed by magic likely would prevent it I guess, yes, as would anything that cut off her prana supply, but it's not something that requires actual casting.
Still, her biggest weakness is that it takes time to heal. Anything instantly fatal will kill her, and things like a lost limb will certainly last for the duration of a battle.
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Fairly sure that prana doesn't automatically heal wounds, fairly certain if it did then curses like angra wouldn't be a thing
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I think it does if you have enough of it. It certainly works for Sakura when she's Dark....
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This is just a guess on my end, but I thought it was because of AM, not because of her excess prana?
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Yeah, I think that was AM instead of the Prana.
And I'll hopefully post sometime soon- I plan to post before Cherry gets back, if nothing else. :)
EDIT: ...Hopefully sometime today. >_< I have a lot to go through and respond to, so this may take just a bit.
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Yeah, I think that was AM instead of the Prana.
Hmm, OK, maybe I'll need to edit that, then. If three people are saying it, then it's probably right....
And I'll hopefully post sometime soon- I plan to post before Cherry gets back, if nothing else. :)
Well, I'll be back in as couple of hours, so... :P
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So someone should post, anyone
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Well, I'm currently waiting for you to post as Taiga....
I would ask other people not to post before Alice does, though, I don't want to be in a position where I have to make a post that spans a massive amount of time because people don't give me the chance to reply. It's a real pain in the ass, and it's also annoying when people just assume I won't do anything.
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Okay, in a bit, I'll post as Sephiroth.
Also, when I say "in a bit", I mean "as soon as I get to an internet hotspot again".
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*Gives Alice Great Big Eyes*
May we please have post?
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Well, I won't be able to post until tomorrow anyway, so as long as she gets it done some time today it won't make any difference.
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I'll pull an allnighter if need be then to get my post up- I have pop all chilled in the fridge and everything. :3
But yeah, since that's gonna take me a bit, I'm at least going to properly field my last two slots so people have stuff to play with until I'm able to finish. Will that work as some compensation at least? :)
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OK, despite being talked to constantly and thus delayed hard, got one part done. Now for the long and tedious part...
Since this last post involved two OCs, any feedback, commentary, or reports of potential Sueishness is highly appreciated, even more so than normal.
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And FINALLY DONE! Sorry to triple post, by the way. ^_^"
I'm pretty sure I screwed a few things up writing that monster, so please bring any mistakes up.
Also, while people have mentioned it previously, I'd like to mention it again- after this main event wraps up, could people respond in smaller chunks if possible? While I don't think it'll be as big of a thing once people finally go to the apartment and stuff, it'd make it easier to write replies at least.
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Yeah, writing these replies is really difficult.
I don't think I'm going to get it done tonight, honestly. I'm just feeling too tired right now.
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It's OK- honestly, I think the main person that needs to post soon is OPOI, since he's the key to us all leaving the alleyway. Then I think we'll be able to work with stuff a bit more.
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It's OK- honestly, I think the main person that needs to post soon is OPOI, since he's the key to us all leaving the alleyway. Then I think we'll be able to work with stuff a bit more.
Well I better end things quickly, because I won't be able to post at all next week. Also, pressure?
Sorry Mike, I need you to post sometime within the next day, otherwise no one's leaving the alleyway until two weeks from now.
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Sorry, didn't mean to put pressure on you. ^_^" Sometimes I say things a bit too bluntly for my own good.
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Sorry, didn't mean to put pressure on you. ^_^" Sometimes I say things a bit too bluntly for my own good.
Don't worry about it, I was just teasing...
I keep forgetting sarcasm doesn't work through text...
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My character was peripheral in the exchange and the focus of no one this round so imma post if only to exit the event horizon.
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Mille and Ruby promise fun stuff.
Things I'm waiting for now:
Rin and the new magical girl confrontation.
Sakura meeting MoS Shirou will definitively be an interesting event.
Oh and when does Dark Archer appear?
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It's OK- honestly, I think the main person that needs to post soon is OPOI, since he's the key to us all leaving the alleyway. Then I think we'll be able to work with stuff a bit more.
Yeah, definitely, although Rider needs to reply first.
It's OK- honestly, I think the main person that needs to post soon is OPOI, since he's the key to us all leaving the alleyway. Then I think we'll be able to work with stuff a bit more.
Well I better end things quickly, because I won't be able to post at all next week. Also, pressure?
Sorry Mike, I need you to post sometime within the next day, otherwise no one's leaving the alleyway until two weeks from now.
OK, I'll make sure I get a post done today.
My character was peripheral in the exchange and the focus of no one this round so imma post if only to exit the event horizon.
Well, Rider was going to reply to you, so you leaving makes things a bit awkward....
Mille and Ruby promise fun stuff.
Things I'm waiting for now:
Rin and the new magical girl confrontation.
Sakura meeting MoS Shirou will definitively be an interesting event.
Oh and when does Dark Archer appear?
MoS Shirou meeting Sakura and her Shirou will be extremely interesting. Rider will try very hard to needle him about it, too....
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Before anyone asks, I'm working on multiple things at once, thus I'll be a while before I post my next RP post in the side-story that appears to be Sephiroth's interactions.
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And I've posted, finally....
If anyone has any comments, please give them.
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Oh and when does Dark Archer appear?
When he feels the need to appear. Which is probably going to be very soon with Ruby streaking magical girls across the sky, another version of himself walking around, MoS Shirou running around, oh, and a superhero vampire has him curious too.
Aww, Rider doesn't think Lancer's handsome? And he was only trying to kill Shirou because of the rules of the War. It was nothing personal to him.
So, is MoS Shirou going to accept the invitation or just make his way into the dark night? Is Rider going to "prana transfer" Forest into a traumatized state? And will Saber Alter find the most horrible dive that serves the best hamburgers?
Stay Tuned for the next exciting post of "Cross Effects"!
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Oh and when does Dark Archer appear?
When he feels the need to appear. Which is probably going to be very soon with Ruby streaking magical girls across the sky, another version of himself walking around, MoS Shirou running around, oh, and a superhero vampire has him curious too.
How interested is he in Rider? His profile does say he likes girls with long legs and hair, and Rider definitely has those....
Aww, Rider doesn't think Lancer's handsome?
Well, I was rushing the post somewhat, so maybe it came across a little wrong. He's attractive, but as far as she's concerned he's a dick. Remember that all she knows of him is that he randomly attacked her once (which, OK, is something she kind-of expects) and killed Shirou for no good reason.
And he was only trying to kill Shirou because of the rules of the War. It was nothing personal to him.
Yeah, and?
Rider doesn't see "following the rules" as justification for killing someone, and, honestly, she isn't likely to accept any justification for killing someone she has a personal attachment to. Rider would probably understand a lot more if it was personal, honestly.
So, is MoS Shirou going to accept the invitation or just make his way into the dark night?
Well, Rider sincerely hopes it's the second....
Is Rider going to "prana transfer" Forest into a traumatized state?
Lol, that probably depends on Rin....
And will Saber Alter find the most horrible dive that serves the best hamburgers?
Lol.
Stay Tuned for the next exciting post of "Cross Effects"!
Hah, yeah.
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How interested is he in Rider? His profile does say he likes girls with long legs and hair, and Rider definitely has those....
He'd definitely be curious to know why she's here without Sakura. And, Sakura ended up rather off in his War, but Rin didn't. He doesn't have Sakura, but there's a grudge there.
At this point, he hasn't heard of her being there. I will say he's been there for a little while and considering how "flashy" Forest can be, he's already heard of her.
Well, I was rushing the post somewhat, so maybe it came across a little wrong. He's attractive, but as far as she's concerned he's a dick. Remember that all she knows of him is that he randomly attacked her once (which, OK, is something she kind-of expects) and killed Shirou for no good reason.
He felt bad about doing it though! Besides, Kotomine probably made sure he'd follow the rules as much as possible. The bastard priest had to look as innocent as possible.
Yeah, and?
Rider doesn't see "following the rules" as justification for killing someone, and, honestly, she isn't likely to accept any justification for killing someone she has a personal attachment to. Rider would probably understand a lot more if it was personal, honestly.
Well, he was probably under orders too. Kotomine is suppose to deal with the fall out, and the easiest thing to do if one guy sees something is to just kill them.
Lol, that probably depends on Rin....
True that, and well, Forest could always open up a vein too.
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How interested is he in Rider? His profile does say he likes girls with long legs and hair, and Rider definitely has those....
He'd definitely be curious to know why she's here without Sakura. And, Sakura ended up rather off in his War, but Rin didn't. He doesn't have Sakura, but there's a grudge there.
Ah, OK, fair enough.
Well, Rider would obviously not understand that until he explained it, but once he did she would at least understand his reasoning, because she would feel much the same if the positions were reversed.
At this point, he hasn't heard of her being there. I will say he's been there for a little while and considering how "flashy" Forest can be, he's already heard of her.
Yeah, I guess that figures.
Well, I was rushing the post somewhat, so maybe it came across a little wrong. He's attractive, but as far as she's concerned he's a dick. Remember that all she knows of him is that he randomly attacked her once (which, OK, is something she kind-of expects) and killed Shirou for no good reason.
He felt bad about doing it though!
Honestly, the fact that he felt bad makes it worse. If you know what you're doing is wrong and still do it anyway that is worse than just being oblivious.
Besides, Kotomine probably made sure he'd follow the rules as much as possible. The bastard priest had to look as innocent as possible.
Well, yeah, probably, but it's not like Rider knows that. Hell, she wouldn't even know who his master was.
Yeah, and?
Rider doesn't see "following the rules" as justification for killing someone, and, honestly, she isn't likely to accept any justification for killing someone she has a personal attachment to. Rider would probably understand a lot more if it was personal, honestly.
Well, he was probably under orders too. Kotomine is suppose to deal with the fall out, and the easiest thing to do if one guy sees something is to just kill them.
Yeah, that is probably true, although he could easily have ignored those orders. Again, "I was following orders" is not a justification Rider would accept, at least without some justification as to why he was obeying those orders. She obeyed Shinji because she wanted to protect Sakura, and she obeys Sakura (most of the time...) because she likes her.
Lol, that probably depends on Rin....
True that, and well, Forest could always open up a vein too.
Possibly, although that's not a particularly effective way of doing it.
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Yay, Cherry posted! :D Now all that's left is for OPOI to post, and we're good to go.
Mille and Ruby promise fun stuff.
I certainly hope so. :3 I'll definitely try my best to keep things interesting.
In regards to Lancer, that's exactly it if I remember right, in regard to Kotomine ordering Lancer around at least. It's possible he was being controlled more extensively than just being honorbound to follow every order, but I'm not sure about that part, other than in the parts it was more obvious.
As for Rin/Rider/Fore... I'm honestly not sure what will happen. O_O That's more one where we have to see how the character interactions go down and what everyone decides before we see that one.
As for Dark Archer/Rin/Rider, probably that one depends alot on how willing he is to share. From what I understand, he's really possessive, so he may need some coaxing and possibly Rin to confirm that she wants it before it happens. Still, it's definitely not impossible, so it's probably worth it for Rider to try at least. ...This is all speculation by the way, so I could be wrong too. :P
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I highly doubt any of you actually thought I would have Shirou immediately go and live with everyone. It would be a disaster!
And yes, Mille and Ruby do seem very interesting Alice, good job with her!
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Yaaaaay!!! Thank you OPOI! :D
And that's about what I figured, though more for the reason that I figured that MOS Shirou is quite the loner who's closeting himself off from forming relationships due to his ideals than anything. :)
And thank you! I hope I can keep them that way for the rest of the RP. :)
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Well I was writing my piece when OPOI posted. The note piece might be more important than I originally thought.
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Well I was writing my piece when OPOI posted. The note piece might be more important that I originally thought.
Indeed~
Also...DIABETES!!
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I highly doubt any of you actually thought I would have Shirou immediately go and live with everyone. It would be a disaster!
Well, Rider spoke up for a reason. Even if she doesn't like this Shirou one bit, she is in full agreement with him in that regard. She knows Forest won't see it that way, though.
Although, actually, if you're on, when are you going away? Because there's no way Rider can ignore what you just said, so it might make sense for me to reply now so you can respond to it.
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Indeed~
Also...DIABETES!!
I suggest you enjoy it while it lasts.
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OK, does anyone mind if I reply next? Because otherwise it's going to be a real pain in the ass to justify why Rider let everyone else speak before she ripped into Shirou....
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Go ahead.
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OK, I've posted.
I dunno if I've made Rider a bit over-emotional here, please say so if you think I have.
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I don't think you went too far. Never thought Rider would be one to shed tears easily, but her bond to her Master has always been strong and with years to develop it even further, it's no surprise to see her react like that. You did good.
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Yeah, I don't see Rider as someone who is usually particularly emotional, but she cares deeply for Sakura and, as you say, spending years living with her is only going to deepen that. Plus, she knows the potential that Sakura has because she's seen the person she became, so the idea of world in which that potential was destroyed really hurts, especially when it was done by someone who she trusts.
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So, should I post now or wait for Alice?
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I honestly have no clue about which one of us is supposed to go next, so if you want to go ahead of me, that's fine. :3
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Well, Elf went before you last time, so it probably makes sense for her to do so this time too. It doesn't have to be set in stone, though, if you have something really important to say then I don't see why you can't just say it. That's why I had Rider reply early, because I knew that she would never just wait for everyone else to talk to Shirou, and it's a pain in the ass to have multiple conversations in a post like we were doing before.
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Yeah, that's true. :) Still, I don't think I have anything that's too critical to say, so Elf can go on ahead. She's waited too long as it is. ^_^"
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Well, you can go ahead and then reply then Alice.
Pretty much my post was going to get everyone moving again.
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Eh, OPOI, what happened to your post?
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Looks like it got deleted. O_O Do you want me to restore it?
And lol, it's fine, you go on ahead Elf- I honestly don't have any reason to go before you. XD My charas don't really have anything to say that can't be said after things get rolling to start moving us out of the alleyway. :)
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Yeah, I don't see Rider as someone who is usually particularly emotional, but she cares deeply for Sakura and, as you say, spending years living with her is only going to deepen that. Plus, she knows the potential that Sakura has because she's seen the person she became, so the idea of world in which that potential was destroyed really hurts, especially when it was done by someone who she trusts.
It was a great post, but now it's got me itching to reply...
I think it made perfect sense for her to cry, Sakura and Rider were far too close for that to not happen
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Eh, OPOI, what happened to your post?
Forgot it wasn't my turn when I wrote it, so I deleted it to be fair. I still have a copy, should I put it back?
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Just so long as it doesn't keep us in the alley any longer, I think it's fine to reply. :)
And I can try move your post back where it was if you want- do you want me to do that? :)
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Yes please.
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And just like that, it's done. :3
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And just like that, it's done. :3
Forgot the "voila!" And the hand swirl
:P
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Hey Alice, you can go ahead and work on your post. I won't be able to do anything until later tonight anyway due to WORK.
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Yeah, I don't see Rider as someone who is usually particularly emotional, but she cares deeply for Sakura and, as you say, spending years living with her is only going to deepen that. Plus, she knows the potential that Sakura has because she's seen the person she became, so the idea of world in which that potential was destroyed really hurts, especially when it was done by someone who she trusts.
It was a great post, but now it's got me itching to reply...
Yeah, I understand that. Your post was the same. There was just no way Rider was going to keep quiet there....
I think it made perfect sense for her to cry, Sakura and Rider were far too close for that to not happen
Yeah. Plus, remember that she's not Rider from canon, she's Rider from 30 years post-HF. Not only is Sakura her beloved master, she's family. They've lived together for 30 years, she's seen Sakura develop into the person she is now, she's seen her kids grow up (and helped raise them to some extent). Her bond goes beyond just protectiveness, she knows Sakura much better as a person now, and they've had plenty of good times together.
And, also, another thing is that Shirou, Rin etc. are also her family. Shirou isn't quite on the same level as Sakura, but she still does care for him. To see a version of him that murdered Sakura in cold blood really hurts, because she knows that she can trust the Shirou she knows to do almost anything for Sakura. It's bad enough to know that Sakura is dead, to find out that Shirou killed her is even worse.
Eh, OPOI, what happened to your post?
Forgot it wasn't my turn when I wrote it, so I deleted it to be fair. I still have a copy, should I put it back?
It doesn't matter if you post "out of turn" if you're not really doing anything that is going to cause problems for other people. I mean, my post was out of turn too, I just didn't think Rider would wait.
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Hey Alice, you can go ahead and work on your post. I won't be able to do anything until later tonight anyway due to WORK.
lol, alrighty, I'll try and post then. If I don't manage to post anything by the time you get off work though, you're more than welcome to go on ahead of me. :)
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Lookie, Elf posted!
Dark Archer has made his appearance.
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It was great!! Though Yet another rival for Shirou has arrived
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It was great!! Though Yet another rival for Shirou has arrived
More like he will be trolling Shirou to no end and being an uberdick to him.
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Well...crap
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Well...crap
Exactly!
Not in the way that Rider is, but more like, "Wow, the Old Man would be so proud." and "Oh jeeze, no wonder the punk wanted to kill me if I acted half as bad as you are." And possibly taunt him for being a virgin.
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Well, Rider will probably end up resorting to trolling him, particularly once Sakura shows up (since she would prevent Rider killing him except if it's necessary to defend herself or others, unless he made an attempt on the life of her kids (particularly Kiyoshi) in which case Sakura would be seriously angry). It would be more Sakura-centric trolling, though, shockingly enough....
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So...
Everyone be trolling
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So...
Everyone be trolling
Kotomine would be so proud!
Seriously though, is MoS Shirou a virgin?
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Seriously though, is MoS Shirou a virgin?
Well, I would imagine if he did have sex then it would probably be as part of some job he was doing. I certainly can't see him getting into a relationship, and nor do I think he's the sort of person to seek out a prostitute or casual sex.
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Seriously though, is MoS Shirou a virgin?
Well, I would imagine if he did have sex then it would probably be as part of some job he was doing. I certainly can't see him getting into a relationship, and nor do I think he's the sort of person to seek out a prostitute or casual sex.
Yeah I was thinking something along the lines of that...
He's seduced people as part of jobs, but hasn't done it with someone he actually really likes.
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Yeah I was thinking something along the lines of that...
He's seduced people as part of jobs, but hasn't done it with someone he actually really likes.
Well, at least he's not a hopeless virgin then. :)
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Interesting things are going to happen~ :3
And finally posted. Not that it's really a good post, but at least now people can finally get moving again. :)
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....You know, I never out-right lied...why does everyone say liar...
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....You know, I never out-right lied...why does everyone say liar...
Well, they don't actually know that. And, frankly, the bit about Sakura's death twisted the truth to such an extent that it comes across as an outright lie, particularly given how Rider responded and the fact that she's so obviously Sakura-centric.
Plus, Rider isn't really that bothered with technicalities. What Shirou said had so little relationship to the truth that, as far as she's concerned, it's a lie.
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Yeah, that was about my reasoning. ....Though it probably makes a bit less sense for Archer to take that stance, but again, my post was kinda bad anyway. ^_^" This is why I shouldn't write this stuff when exhausted. But yeah, the way the truth gets bent in this case is further than even Archer would go with it, and so it's easy to misinterpret as a lie. ...That's actually how I misinterpreted it, actually. ^_^"
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Well, Archer doesn't know what happened in Shirou's timlijne, but it's pretty clear that what he said has at best an extremely tenuous link to the truth. And Rider's reaction only emphasises that. So, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to call Shirou a liar. Plus, both Rider and Forest already did so, so you're hardly first.
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Well Cherry, it's time for Rider to stand up.
Hopefully we can get everyone to the stronghold soon.
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Yeah, hopefully this should be near to the last post before that, although we're going to have to make a stop at the hotel to get Kiyoshi (and most likely Taiga too...) first.
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I'll post with taiga later guys
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And Forest has had enough of everyone's crap.
Next person who starts something will get bit.
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You know, I'm honestly not sure if Rider would mind being bit if it gives her pleasure....
Also, was the use of "knickers" there meant to imply it was aimed at Rider specifically, or were you just using it to imply that Archer and Toshi might wear women's underwear?
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Why doesn't that surprise me? :P
And honestly, I hope it's the latter. XD Poor Archer.
Also, if something starts up, Rin might help Fore by giving the next person who starts something a Gandr to the face, even if it's Archer.
EDIT: And posted. :)
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Posted
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Going to get back to posting in the RP as soon as possible.
In the meantime, I realize that I should be in bed, but I happen to be extremely busy right now. I'll post my reply in the RP as soon as I can.
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Lantz, what "would-be attacker" did Toshi slice in half? You never mentioned anyone attacking him first....
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So, did some Shadow Dog thing try to attack Toshi and he cut it in half?
It was a bit murky.
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The phrase would be attacker denotes that it hadn't attacked yet, he killed it preemptively. And he said as the shadow creature landed in front of him dying that it's source was Angra
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Posted so that everyone left in the alleyway can get moving. :) ...I need to get better rest, I think my posts are going downhill in quality. ^_^"
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And it looks like we're going to be moving out of the alley!
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Yay! :D Posted with hopefully what are the last of the arrangements. :)
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Posted a character in its appropriate thread.
I'm not exactly sure my time could allow me to join this RP. But at least there'll be nothing to stop me.
In purposes of the 3-character limit for alternate reality versions, ignore this one until I decide to post (if I do).
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Well, currently we only have two Shirou's, although I do need to make my version.
And, your Shirou looks interesting. Have you worked out any details of what happens to Sakura, Rin etc. in his world, or is that unclear?
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Well, it looks like Masked Shirou has some trouble with vampire cat girls.
Which sounds like he's met Arc. :)
So, who's up?
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I'm just writing my post now.
Although, Elf, in future, it'd be helpful if you'd be clearer where Lancer's part of the post fits in with what Forest says. I'm struggling to work out where to put it.
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I'm just writing my post now.
Although, Elf, in future, it'd be helpful if you'd be clearer where Lancer's part of the post fits in with what Forest says. I'm struggling to work out where to put it.
In the latest post?
What he says to Rin is before Forest talking.
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I'm just writing my post now.
Although, Elf, in future, it'd be helpful if you'd be clearer where Lancer's part of the post fits in with what Forest says. I'm struggling to work out where to put it.
In the latest post?
What he says to Rin is before Forest talking.
OK, thanks.
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You're welcome.
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Hmm, I'm worried if I went OOC with Rin freezing up there or not. Do you guys think that makes sense, or should I change that a bit?
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Makes sense in my head. Even if Archer alt wasn't trying to be intimidating
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Yeah, if Rin had experience with Saber Alter, then yeah, freezing if she met a blackened version of Archer would be an understandable response.
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Well, currently we only have two Shirou's, although I do need to make my version.
And, your Shirou looks interesting.
Thank you!
My core idea was to change Shirou from a deconstruction of the superhero into a straight example.
While mixing in various Kamen Rider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamen_Rider) elements for just the heck of it.
It being me, I also tried to approach this from a more "realistic" angle.
So while achieving his dream Shirou also turned himself into a minor freak, practically a non-human.
Not like it matters so much in the Nasuverse where not-so-ordinary highschoolers screw with spirits, vampires and half-demons.
Still, I wanted to point this out.
Have you worked out any details of what happens to Sakura, Rin etc. in his world, or is that unclear?
I kind of did. Albeit it's only in the back of my mind.
So the details aren't solid.
Also I'd rather want to reveal this in the RP if we're getting to that point (and if I have time to participate.)
I might even change a few things around to better accommodate with this RP.
Anyways, this version of Shirou is a true superhero. So whatever fate they had in the Masked Shirou's universe, you can bet Rin and Sakura are living happily.
Well, it looks like Masked Shirou has some trouble with vampire cat girls.
Which sounds like he's met Arc. :)
Neko-Arc, to be precise.
And let's say his experiences were rather weird and... traumatic.
Anyways, I added that for the sake of randomness and comedy.
I realized that most of Masked Shirou's choice of likes and dislikes were rather boring.
I wanted something out of the norm.
Oh, and good idea for the name.
"Masked Shirou", I like it.
From now on I keep calling my character on this name.
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Well, currently we only have two Shirou's, although I do need to make my version.
And, your Shirou looks interesting.
Thank you!
My core idea was to change Shirou from a deconstruction of the superhero into a straight example.
While mixing in various Kamen Rider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamen_Rider) elements for just the heck of it.
It being me, I also tried to approach this from a more "realistic" angle.
So while achieving his dream Shirou also turned himself into a minor freak, practically a non-human.
Not like it matters so much in the Nasuverse where not-so-ordinary highschoolers screw with spirits, vampires and half-demons.
Still, I wanted to point this out.
Well, yeah, actual Superhero Shirou is an interesting concept.
Have you worked out any details of what happens to Sakura, Rin etc. in his world, or is that unclear?
I kind of did. Albeit it's only in the back of my mind.
So the details aren't solid.
Also I'd rather want to reveal this in the RP if we're getting to that point (and if I have time to participate.)
I might even change a few things around to better accommodate with this RP.
Ah, OK.
Anyways, this version of Shirou is a true superhero. So whatever fate they had in the Masked Shirou's universe, you can bet Rin and Sakura are living happily.
Well, if the nature of magic has changed as much as you're implying, most likely Sakura and Rin would still be living happily as sisters, and most likely powerful mages. Without the whole "magic crest" thing there is little reason for Tokiomi not to just keep and train both daughters, and I can't imagine he'd sell Sakura off to someone like Zouken for the sake of it.
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Side effect of being corrupted by a Sakura controlled Angry Manjew?
It makes you horny all the time.
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Side effect of being corrupted by a Sakura controlled Angry Manjew?
It makes you horny all the time.
I seriously doubt that.
Neither Berserker nor Saber had such issues.
Albeit your Archer came from an alternate reality, so who knows?
Things could had been a little different over there.
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Well, we didn't know if Saber had such issues, and as for Berserker, there was no way to know.
Plus it was a sort of joke.
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There's also the fact that Archer's corruption could potentially work differently from either Saber or Hercules, either due to being a Counter Guardian rather than a straight up hero, or due to how his personality is. I might possibly get stuff wrong, but bear with me. Saber and Hercules were more... pure, so to speak. Saber is of course Saber, and there really wasn't much more you could change in Herc in his current state, being all Berserkery and everything. Whereas Archer is more muddied to begin with, so he'd be harder to straight up corrupt.
Whether I'm right or wrong about all that stuff I just said though, this is more of an Archer who has his inhibitions pretty much stripped, which means he's more likely to do things that he would not have done while he wasn't his normal self. This includes actually acknowledging that he has lebido, and since that's no longer being held back by his inhibitions, he's more horny as a result.
...Hopefully that all makes sense or is halfway accurate. ^_^" And my apologies if I was rude.
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Well, it makes sense to me, Alice.
Also, being immortal is suffering.
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Heh, I see that Lancer doesn't trust Dark Archer very much, although I can understand why....
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Heh, I see that Lancer doesn't trust Dark Archer very much, although I can understand why....
Well, also Lancer is from UBW route. Archer betrayed Rin, tied her to a chair and left her to get raped by Shinji. Add in obvious corruption by All the World's Evil and Lancer is worried about his respective women folk friends getting raped.
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Hmm this looks pretty interesting, anyone ever heard of a game called Duel Savior? (I'm considering using a character from that game.)
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Heh, I see that Lancer doesn't trust Dark Archer very much, although I can understand why....
Well, also Lancer is from UBW route. Archer betrayed Rin, tied her to a chair and left her to get raped by Shinji. Add in obvious corruption by All the World's Evil and Lancer is worried about his respective women folk friends getting raped.
Yeah, like I said, I can understand why. He doesn't trust normal Archer very much, so there's no way he's going to trust the Dark version.
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Hmm this looks pretty interesting, anyone ever heard of a game called Duel Savior? (I'm considering using a character from that game.)
It's a fantasy VN right?
Yeah, like I said, I can understand why. He doesn't trust normal Archer very much, so there's no way he's going to trust the Dark version.
Hell no. Not at all. He's going to be watching him very closely. Lancer may be a bro, but he's got his limits.
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We're going to need some antagonists.
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You mean apart from Gatou Nonji?
Speaking of which, I need to continue posting here, don't I?
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We're going to need some antagonists.
Well, Shuya seemed to be somewhat antagonistic, although the latest post makes him out to be a bit less so....
You mean apart from Gatou Nonji?
Speaking of which, I need to continue posting here, don't I?
Is Gatou actually a Player Character here?
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Yep pretty much all fantasy with a bit of pseudo science from ancient civilizations who had all sorts of doomsday weapons.
(It eventually ends with the main character becoming the Messiah of the universe and fighting the literal God but I obviously won't be using that it's actually quite interesting I highly recommend it.
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We're going to need some antagonists.
I can think of a couple I would like to bring in, but they wouldn't be like, my main characters. They would be bad guys doing bad things. Because that would be what bad guys do.
I was thinking about playing Gil, but he wouldn't be an "antagonist". He'd be, well, pretty close to the version in "Hound and the Blacksmith".
However, I do know of a character that would make a great antagonist.
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Hmm if you want antagonist I have one in mind, (His name is Downy Reed also from Duel Savior, necromancer/Dark Knight who's specialties involve being a fencer as well as all sorts of high powered spells.)
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Well, I've posted.
I'm not going to be able to post tomorrow, almost certainly, and I may not be able to post Sunday either. So, if anyone wants a reply from me this weekend it's probably better if they post before I go to bed tonight.
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You want a clear antagonist?
How about the following mix:
Kotomine Kirei+Angra Mainyu+ Mafia
Make him some sort of alternate reality version who became a crime boss or something.
You'd be amazed how much that role is fit for Kotomine.
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Well, that would definitely be an interesting antagonist, particularly with some of the people around (aside from having had AM try to manifest through his girlfriend and fought Kotomine, Shirou also has Mafia connections through Taiga...).
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It was a quick idea so I didn't think things that far.
But yeah, that would fit.
Albeit I just want to see Kotomine with cigar and pinstriped suit.
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The idea of Rin being carried by Ruu is hilarious.
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Well, I think you've managed to annoy both Archer and Lancer there....
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More like amuse the he hell out of Archer, and Lancer's already annoyed as all get out due to Dark Archer being there. Not to mention Archer's being rather forthcoming about his intentions to Rin.
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lol, I'm probably (albeit somewhat unintentionally) playing Rin a bit too naive here too. :P But yeah, like Elf said, D. Archer'll just be amused, and Lancer's already pretty on edge. Heck, he may even see it as an opportunity to get Rin away from D. Archer finally, but we'll have to see how things play out. :3
And yay, more people joining! The more the merrier. :D
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Does anyone have comments on Milbunk's character? Do you think he'd work well as an antagonist here?
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Reed seems fine antagonist is a fairly broad term but as a "bad guy" he seem feasible
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I think Reed would work just fine, especially given he was (if I remember right, what I know about the game Reed's from mostly comes from looking stuff up ^_^") one, if not the, primary antagonist in his own game. :) (also, if you want me to spoiler that, tell me).
And on the subject of recent posts, in terms of Rider and Fore walking along and talking, I'm not going to have Archer say anything, but he does have some thoughts on some of the stuff that got talked about, especially the more recent stuff. Should I wait until they're at the hotel/he has something to say directly to write his thoughts, or should I go ahead and post them now?
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Well, it's up to you. There's no reason not to include his thoughts right now if he's having them, but equally you don't need to do so if it doesn't involve interaction with us. If you want to post them, then do so, but don't feel you need to.
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Heh thanks for the reply sorry I'm still a bit new to this forum and the constant pain from my wisdom teeth being removed led to me being a bit impatient about things.
What did you guys think about his powerlevels? Do you think it's around a good level for it or is it too far in one direction?
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lol, it's fine- trust me, I remember getting my wisdom teeth out, and I don't have entirely fond memories of the recovery. ^_^"
And I think he looks fine for a villain/antagonist. :) I haven't played the game that he's from, but that seems reasonable. I didn't do an uber through analysis of it, but from what I got, I think you're fine.
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OK, so, does anyone have ideas for the sort of weapons that a version of Shirou from the 2030s could realistically be using? He has Yakuza contacts, so any weapon they could realistically get hold of he can get, and he also has the ability to use reinforcement to improve the performance of items which means that something that is usually of limited use can be made more widely applicable.
For example, I've got him having an invisibility cloak, which is as a concept viable (we can already make them for microwaves) but which is likely to be difficult to extend to hiding a human being, particularly a moving one. But, using reinforcement he can make the meta-materials in the cloak do their "job" better and, thus, give him the ability to hide himself even when moving. But, I'm struggling to think of other futuristic weapons or tools he could make use of.
Remember that this Shirou is not a full-time monster hunter like MoS Shirou is, he doesn't really go looking for trouble. But, nevertheless, he appreciates the fact that Sakura is a juicy target for a lot of unscrupulous magi, and he also assists Rin and Sakura in protecting Fuyuki, so he makes sure he's well-prepared for when he does need to fight.
When he fights, goals are in order of priority:
1. Protect his family.
2. Protect innocents.
3. Protect himself.
4. Deal with the incident with as little loss of life as possible, including the target unless the target is someone who simply cannot be allowed to live. Note, however, that Shirou is not particularly interested in enforcing the law, either magical or mundane. He considers it just as legitimate for a person to die by his blade as he does for them to be executed by the government or the Association. So, he'll happily let someone who was brainwashed or similar escape even if legally they would be charged with murder, and would even actively assist them in some cases.
Note that this implies that non-lethal weapons are handy, but certainly not essential. The life of the person he's fighting comes below that of anyone else, although he'd try to spare them if at all possible, especially if they're not really to blame for what is happening.
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It's not refined, but a shotgun with Rock Salt ammo isn't fatal, but it hurts like a bitch and will knock pretty much anything human down. Same thing with beanbag rounds.
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If anyone's waiting on me for whatever reason btw, go on ahead. :) I'm still on the fence about posting Archer's thoughts as of now, and I'm waiting for someone to get to the apartments before I have Mille and/or Finn act, so anyone that's waiting for me to post something is free to go.
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It's not refined, but a shotgun with Rock Salt ammo isn't fatal, but it hurts like a bitch and will knock pretty much anything human down. Same thing with beanbag rounds.
Well, that makes sense, but what I am looking for specifically are futuristic weapons and other equipment. Something that would be state-of-the-art in 20 years, but which would still be plausible for a human magus with reasonably good contacts to obtain. Additionally, I'm looking for things which would probably not quite be at the level of being useful in 20 years, but which a magus could reinforce to bring up to scratch.
Also, Shirou doesn't have issues taking down normal humans non-lethally, and even if he did Rider could handle it. So I doubt something like a shotgun with rock-salt ammo would be worth him carrying around, at least into another world where he's not sure of the situation and will have to carry it with him, at least initially.
If anyone's waiting on me for whatever reason btw, go on ahead. :) I'm still on the fence about posting Archer's thoughts as of now, and I'm waiting for someone to get to the apartments before I have Mille and/or Finn act, so anyone that's waiting for me to post something is free to go.
Yeah, sorry, I've been busy the last two days. I'll definitely post tomorrow, though, hopefully not too late.
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OK, I've managed to reply with Kiyoshi, but I'm having a bit of trouble with Rider, because Elf's last post has made me have to work out more of Sakura's backstory to determine exactly what she would think of what Rider said, and what Rider would think of it.
I'm currently prevariacating about whether or not she'd be a patron of a charity for abused children or the like, and if so whether she'd have admitted to being abused herself (although, of course, not the details). The way I see it, she's not likely to be too bothered, because all of the people who she cared about finding out already know. In particular, if she can cope with Shirou finding out, I think she can cope with anyone else finding out....
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Well, I think it's more that it'd be difficult for her to talk about, even years later. Something like that would leave quite an impact, and parts of the trauma would remain even years later. I could see her possibly admitting to being abused for the sake of charity, but even then she wouldn't want to share the details. And in terms of those details, some things would be far harder for her to talk about than others, again, even years and years later.
I don't know if Sakura'd really be comfortable having that revealed to a stranger though outside of charity purposes, especially since she's trying to move past it. While coping tactics vary from person to person, from personal experience at least, usually what happens is that you tend to try and leave it behind you. There's a few exceptions, but usually it takes being friends with a person to bring to even mention that something of that nature happened to you, and even then it can vary.
Usually if someone who went through something bad is willing to talk to a stranger about it though, usually it's just something akin to, "I had a bad childhood," with few to no details, and if there are details, it's usually about the less traumatic things. I'm mostly going off personal experience, so what I'm saying might not be accurate for all situations, but hopefully that should give some idea.
...Hopefully that makes some form of sense. ^_^"
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Yeah, it makes sense that Sakura wouldn't be too happy about having it broadcast everywhere. I'm trying to think what Rider might think of it, though, and why she'd have said it at all. I mean, she doesn't necessarily always care about Sakura's wishes, but she does care about doing things which will hurt her.
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Posts, posts all around! Speaking of which, I've posted. I'm going to post Archer's part separately, since his portion is going to take a bit longer to write, and I wanted to make sure I got Rin and Mille's portions up first (not that I feel like I wrote them the best, but they probably suffice ^_^").
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And posted with all characters except for Finn, who I'm going to hold off on bringing back in for a bit longer. Anyone who was waiting on me is free to go. :3
....Any feedback and stuff is appreciated. I feel like I'm starting to get somewhat OOC and that my posting quality is going downhill. ^_^"
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Alright, if I could have lantz not respond just yet, I'd appreciate it. While I can accept having something happen to stop Caladbolg II so that Toshi's armor doesn't get blown up, there's certain aspects about how that was handled that I had issues with, and want to clear up before we continue.
One thing is that it's going to hit us from the sounds of where the missile was intercepted, because Catablog II has a large blast radius. I wouldn't have had him fire it if I thought the blast radius would hit people below- I figured he was high enough up at this point so that collateral damage wouldn't happen. I even wondered if Catablog II would be able to get far enough to hit him in the first place.
As such, with nothing the level of Berserker or Toshi's uber armor to absorb the blast, the main damaging part of the blast radius is going to be hitting all the characters below. It's going to hurt Shuya, Fore, and Archer pretty bad, may outright kill Isa, and may still hurt Hakuno pretty badly even though Archer will serve as a human shield for her. That's the main issue I have with it, because having that much damage happen to the characters without time to account for it is a big deal.
Another thing is (though I'm not clear on this part) is something about redirecting the shot. Didn't it explode before it was redirected, and unless the missile was clipped on the side by it rather than full on hit, I don't know if it's course would have been redirected so much as it would have exploded on impact.
Sorry if I'm being rude at all, I just wanted to bring that up so we can get that all sorted out. And also because characters could get fatally injured or die. That's not good.
The intent wasn't to kill Toshi btw, just blow a hole in his armor, since it seems pretty hard to destroy otherwise. If not destroy the armor, then the main intent at least was to knock Toshi out of the air.
...You're not in trouble or anything Daiki, btw. ^_^" I just had a few issues with that post is all. :)
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What daiki did is impossible. Satoshi was walking and then running away from the hotel, he can't be talking to forest and stopping archer's attack. Forest is ten blocks away, she can't even see archer in the distance much less be close enough for a thrown vehicle to stop a bp from firing
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There, you can just ignore it.
It's the vehicle which was supposed to be destroyed, no way it would stop a NP, especially something which distort space but w/e.
Just thought Archer wouldn't be that far from Forest.(He's moving at Servant pace after all, wouldn't be hard for him to catch up). And after reading it again, he and Hakuno are close to Forest at that point.
Forest is ten blocks away, she can't even see archer in the distance much less be close enough for a thrown vehicle to stop a bp from firing
There is this part that says;
It seemed that it was already too late by the time Archer and Hakuno arrived at Forest's location. The heavily armored creature was in the air, already getting away. Forest was looking up at the thing, not seeming too happy about the situation. Even so, she seemed to be unharmed, which was good. Archer rushed to her side. He placed Hakuno down on the ground beside him.
Anyway, feel free to update when you want, Alice/Elf.
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Thank you. :) And sorry about all this.
And as for the distance, you're correct. When Archer fires Caladbolg II, he's standing near Forest because he ran to her side first so he could check on her. It's after that he attempts to fire Caladbolg II to try and slow Toshi down.
As for the explosion bit, I reached the conclusion I did based on the assumption that the bike collided with Caladbolg II at the tip, making it so both the bike and the NP would explode. It's possible I read into that wrong though.
Honestly, it's somewhat my fault too. I thought about having Archer use Hrunting instead since it wouldn't miss and cause less damage, but didn't know if it were enough to knock Toshi out of the air or not, and so overestimating how strong the armor was, I opted for Caladbolg.
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Nah, I should have detailed more. I intended to use the small detonation as a mean to redirect slightly the NP. I just didn't worded it good. Sorry for the trouble.
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Nah, it's ok, it happens to everyone sometime. :) It's not a biggie, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. :D
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Well Hrunting Caladbolg problem solved~
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Yay! :D
And posted myself, with Rin and Mille's stuff. I'll probably wait for Elf before I post with Archer and Hakuno again.
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I posted right before Elf posted a bit ago... and now I'm curious about something in regards to lantz.
@lantz: Did you look at your profile page yet? I sent you a message that you might want to look at.
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Alright, I actually have an edit I potentially want to make to one of my posts, which shouldn't affect any posts that have already been made, but I want to make sure that it's ok anyway (...though can I even do that? That means I messed up pretty bad either way, though...)- I'm thinking about changing the scene where Archer shoots Caladbolg II at Toshi so instead of him doing it on his own, he gets told to do so by Hakuno.
I realized that Archer just jumping the gun like that was potentially a bit OOC, so I wanted to fix that. Is that ok with everyone, and should I do it?
And if it's rude of me to ask in the first place, please tell me so I don't do it again.
Also, I'm going to post today, in some way, shape or form, that I swear. ^_^"
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Sure.
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Yeah, I see no problem with it, as long as it's not going to affect anyone else's posts since then and no-one has any objections.
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Alright then- I may still wait until I get a bit more feedback, but that makes me feel a bit better about it, thank you, both of you. :)
And posted, for the Mille/Rin/Finn trio at least. I'm going to wait until I make that edit until I post with Hakuno and Archer (plus there's some stuff with that I need to figure out how to deal with anyway).
I feel like this last post especially was kinda mediocre, which worries me. While I say similar stuff about most of my RP posts, is there anything I could do to make them a bit better, especially long ones like the one I just posted (me, being overly worried about the quality of my posts? Surely this isn't a thing I fret about so often that it's likely coming off as annoying! :V)?
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You're not annoying. Didn't spot anything weird.
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Ah, good. Thank you. :)
And I'm holding off on posting with Hakuno and Archer until I get a bit more feedback about the edit thing- then I'll post. :)
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It's cool, I did it knowing it.
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And posted.
I think Forest might have a little bit of a thing for MOS Shirou. Maybe.
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Go ahead and edit Alice, it's better if he's ordered to anyway
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Yay, Elf post! :D
Also, alrighty, that pretty much confirms that I should make the edit then, though I may confirm it with Elf before I do so just to be absolutely sure. :)
I'll post with the Mille, Rin, and Finn team later today for sure (since it's past 5 in the morning over here ^_^"), and I'll make that edit and post with Archer and Hakuno once I have that final confirmation.
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Alright then- I may still wait until I get a bit more feedback, but that makes me feel a bit better about it, thank you, both of you. :)
And posted, for the Mille/Rin/Finn trio at least. I'm going to wait until I make that edit until I post with Hakuno and Archer (plus there's some stuff with that I need to figure out how to deal with anyway).
I feel like this last post especially was kinda mediocre, which worries me. While I say similar stuff about most of my RP posts, is there anything I could do to make them a bit better, especially long ones like the one I just posted (me, being overly worried about the quality of my posts? Surely this isn't a thing I fret about so often that it's likely coming off as annoying! :V)?
Good trait to want to improve...I think. Most of time anyway.
Seemed to be fine overall
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I think Forest might have a little bit of a thing for MOS Shirou. Maybe.
Hmmm, interesting....we'll have to wait and see won't we?
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Honestly Alice, I don't think you should go back and edit what Archer and Hakuno are doing in your previous post.
I think next time you should post you should go ahead and include them so they can react to Daiki's character's dubious invitation.
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I'm kind-of stuck with what I'm meant to be doing here. Forest has just run off, and Rider has no idea where she is or how to get to her house.
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Also, Daiki, is Valken meant to be one of your characters? Because you're treating him as such, and you have a character profile for him on the old forum, but you've not written one on this forum yet. If he is, then it would probably make sense if you brought the old profile over (one of us can do it for you if you want), or wrote a new one for him.
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The profile is there from the beginning? And yeah, he is one of them.
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Ah, yes, so it is, sorry.
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Alright, I explained the edit a bit better (with Cherry's help) to Elf offsite, and she OK-ed it, so I'll go ahead and apply it. :) Hopefully I'll be able to post with everybody sometime late tonight.
EDIT: And done.
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I kinda thought showing off one's hidden weapons was usually done to intimidate, not to show their good intentions...
Yeah as Cherry said, just leave the post as it is Als
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I went ahead and applied the edit already- pretty much everyone else ok-ed it before now (including Cherry). It was more making sure Elf was OK with it since she's the GM. Once Cherry helped me explain myself a bit better, Elf approved. It basically amounted to some extra dialogue and a few word changes to make the new dialogue make sense.
Basically, my concern was that having Archer jump the gun like that and fire Caladbolg II like that was OOC, so the only thing that's been changed is now Hakuno's ordering him to do it. Nothing else has been changed. I do still feel bad asking for it, as small as it was, but what's done is done.
As for posting... one more delay. >_< I may still get it up really late tonight, but to be honest, I'm not feeling so hot, so I may hold off and post tomorrow when my brain's less fried.
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I went ahead and applied the edit already- pretty much everyone else ok-ed it before now (including Cherry). It was more making sure Elf was OK with it since she's the GM. Once Cherry helped me explain myself a bit better, Elf approved. It basically amounted to some extra dialogue and a few word changes to make the new dialogue make sense.
Basically, my concern was that having Archer jump the gun like that and fire Caladbolg II like that was OOC, so the only thing that's been changed is now Hakuno's ordering him to do it. Nothing else has been changed. I do still feel bad asking for it, as small as it was, but what's done is done.
As for posting... one more delay. >_< I may still get it up really late tonight, but to be honest, I'm not feeling so hot, so I may hold off and post tomorrow when my brain's less fried.
Ah OK, so I was late to the party as per usual and was talking before I really figured out what was going on...
Sleep. Do it Als. Tis Good for you.
I'll wait for Elf before I do anything
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Hmm so I'm still interested in joining just not really sure where to join in.
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If all else fails, you can either just write an introductory post for your character so we know he's out there to be interacted with, or you could start your own little scenario for people to join in on. :)
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If all else fails, you can either just write an introductory post for your character so we know he's out there to be interacted with, or you could start your own little scenario for people to join in on. :)
Pretty much this.
Also, I'll post after Alice. XD
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Which is right around now, because I'm finally done! :D
Don't know about the quality of the thing, but at least it's finally up now, and for all my characters to boot~
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Hmm so I'm still interested in joining just not really sure where to join in.
You could really just pop up to be honest, that's kinda what I did...
Just make sure not to do it if there are too many people already in the scenario
And yeah, like Als said, start your own little scenario, like Xam did with Sephiroth, even if that scenario kind of flat-lined for a bit.
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Mahou Shoujo Hakuno is a cool idea.
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If Hakuno ends up anywhere as awesome as Illya in Episode 6, it will indeed be awesome. Then again, episode 6 was more Archer was awesome than Illya...
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Hmm, Daiki, looking back through your old posts to try to remember what's going on, I noticed that you edited one of the posts (specifically, http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg2857.html#msg2857 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg2857.html#msg2857)) to reply to something Rider said after that post.
Can you please not do that in future. I didn't even realise it was there until just now, which means I couldn't reply to it or act on it. In fact, I think you should just edit it out. Editing your post to correct something minor is one thing, but editing in stuff that other characters actually hear is not something that should be done, especially without telling anyone and in reply to something said subsequentially.
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I think it was about when we had some post not fitting chronologically. I don't intend to do that on purpose.
Sure, I can edit. Which part are we looking at?(The first paragraph?) Iirc, the edit included only the reaction about Forest calling him a cunt.
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The whole of this bit
"Well, dying would rather ruin your fun, wouldn't it?"
"Tch... Thought we were akin but I was wrong." He didn't move, staring oddly at Rider. "You can experiment the best fun by putting your life on the line. There is nothing more enjoyable than that. Fighting a worthy opponent and then stomping on everything. Hopes, dreams, ideals, future and existence. It's truly the best." He laughed dryly. "There's satisfaction in dying to the hands of someone better than you. While there's nothing more boring than living without a purpose. It is that simple, purplehead."
"If anyone here is 'trash', it's you, asshole. Attacking and killing people just for the fun of it doesn't make you smart or strong, it just makes you a prick"
Shuya shrugged as if he didn't mind.
So what? What I am is what I am. I'm no fuckin' hypocrite about it. I kill people for enjoyment. Yet, even a douchebag like me has standards. I don't target kids.
He had wanted to say it out loud but he would rather tell playboy directly what he thought.
In particular, the response to Rider, which I never noticed until now because you edited it into a previous post, before Rider even made the statement (the "dying would ruin your fun" bit is in my next post as Rider).
Looking at the edit history (I can do that since I have admin powers, but you can also look at your own edit history if you click on the "last edit" thing at the bottom), it seems like you edited that entire part in a couple of days after the original post.
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It's done.
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Ah, OK, good.
I'll try to get my post done as soon as I can.
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Kiyoshi attacks him. Shuya approves +20
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Lol, yeah, I suspect his approval is only going to make Rider more annoyed at Kiyoshi....
Also, what did you block the assault with? These aren't just normal swords, they're made of a mix of Ether and the Shadow element. They're not something that would be easy to just tank.
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Sorry for my delay, was busy with real life, plus I almost forgot to finish replying to Elf on a comment she left on my profile.
Also, spoke with someone today about a problem I have, mainly about my own writing. It has to do with how I have stale writing and don't think outside the box all that much in writing... plus a childish writing style.
With that in mind, I'm going to create a character that's meant to fix that problem I have, one that I'm hoping will be able to fit in this setting.
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Lol, yeah, I suspect his approval is only going to make Rider more annoyed at Kiyoshi....
Also, what did you block the assault with? These aren't just normal swords, they're made of a mix of Ether and the Shadow element. They're not something that would be easy to just tank.
Well, Touzaki swords are born from the clan's very bones and as such are supposed to be more resistant than normal. I simply extend it to the sheath(which contains some bones to a lesser degree) as well but it wouldn't be able to sustain a serious and /or focused attack at all. At that point he's more like redirecting the blades rather than outright blocking them.(Explains the cuts he earns by doing so)
Well reading again I didn't mention the sheath at all. Edited that.
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Yeah, lol, blocking it with the sheath is fine. I wouldn't expect Kiyoshi's swords to cut through that. I just don't think you could tank the hits directly, which is what I thought you were doing.
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Hmm... anyone object to me making the second character? I'm still trying to think of the middle-aged man thing and how to do it right... and I want brutal honesty to go with it.
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Hmm... anyone object to me making the second character? I'm still trying to think of the middle-aged man thing and how to do it right... and I want brutal honesty to go with it.
Why would we object before you've made the character? That's counter-intuitive, and doesn't help you in the slightest
Take your time with him though, and really think about what you want to do with him. I'll tell you if I think you screwed it up.
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Yeah, we can't even say anything about it until we see the guy for ourselves after all. Post away. :) We'll give you constructive criticism for it afterwards. :D
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I don't think you need to be so much on the defensive Xamusel. Just post your character and we'll give you feedback.
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Hmm... anyone object to me making the second character? I'm still trying to think of the middle-aged man thing and how to do it right... and I want brutal honesty to go with it.
Of course not. Making a new character is perfectly OK.
As the others have said, if there's something wrong with him then we'll let you know. But, we can't do that until you've posted him.
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Hmm, Daiki, I'm not sure how your post works out. You have Shuya patting Kiyoshi on the head, but Shuya just jumped away from him, and Kiyoshi was still running towards him when Taiga called out. So, I'm not sure how that could have happened.
Also, OPOI, so random vampires who have showed nothing but ill-intent are now more deserving of life than innocent childhood friends who have been abused for eleven years? Your Shirou is a dick....
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I edited it.
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Hmm, Daiki, I'm not sure how your post works out. You have Shuya patting Kiyoshi on the head, but Shuya just jumped away from him, and Kiyoshi was still running towards him when Taiga called out. So, I'm not sure how that could have happened.
Also, OPOI, so random vampires who have showed nothing but ill-intent are now more deserving of life than innocent childhood friends who have been abused for eleven years? Your Shirou is a dick....
Hmmm...was I too quick with character development? My bad, I'll be more ruthless next time
Still new to this I guess...
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Also, OPOI, so random vampires who have showed nothing but ill-intent are now more deserving of life than innocent childhood friends who have been abused for eleven years? Your Shirou is a dick....
Hmmm...was I too quick with character development? My bad, I'll be more ruthless next time
Well, it seems a bit odd that, after coming to the conclusion that he had to murder the girl he loved in cold blood to prevent the possibility of her hurting people, and showing the willingness to murder another girl in cold blood on the off-chance that Forest and Rider might fight over her, a couple of words from a girl he only just met would cause him to spare someone who, frankly, he probably should have killed.
Whilst I could perhaps see MoS Shirou coming to recognise that what he did to Sakura was wrong and that he shouldn't kill people without very good reason, I don't think it would happen that quickly or without any mental repercussions. If he's willing to let a vampire like that go, then he should be completely tearing himself apart over what he did to Sakura, since he now cannot in any way excuse it. If a vampire (i.e. someone who feeds on people) who specifically showed up to attack him and who seems to have ill-intent is spareable, then there is no way he can justify killing Sakura on the basis of what he knew.
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Plus it seems a bit odd that he'd spare a vampire like that after being willing to kill Hakuno in cold blood just to prevent a potential fight from happening.
And I just made a big mistake of my own not too long ago, so it's ok. :) I think if no one's responded to your post yet though, you can go ahead and edit it with no problems. :)
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Well, the vampire in question just ran away, so I don't think he can really edit it now.
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Sorry, had a brain skip. ^_^" Just keep it in mind for next time. :)
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It's ok, you'll see that red shirt soon and will be able to torture to your heart content.
Lancer shall now be named The Flash.
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Come on, Archer can shoot arrows at Mock 13.
I would easily assume that both Lancer and Rider could break the sound barrier on foot.
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Alright posted my first post, if you guys have any questions or complaints at all feel free to bring em up.
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Hmm, sorry I've taken so long to post, I've been busy the last couple of days with some work stuff.
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It's fine. :)
And yay, Mil post! :D
And posted myself. I might hold off posting with Mille and Finn just yet, until other people get closer to the hotel or I'm less brain dead and can actually write some decent banter.
...Also, does my writing seem repetitive at all? I think I've gotten away from it a little recently (not that it's probably much better writing, but at least that's a start), but still. Also, I'm worried that other than Ruby and maybe Finn, my character voices aren't distinct enough. It may be an extension of my previous concern, but eh. Feedback on that stuff is much appreciated.
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Yep figured I'd held off long enough so why not get my own character moving along, I'll prolly post about two more standalone posts before anything major happens until then I think it's safe to assume he's remained largely undetected.
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Hmm, Daiki, could you try to avoid having your character do or say things which would change the way my characters were acting in the last post? For example, you have Shuya offer to leave before the Mystic Eyes affect him, when Kiyoshi still kept going after him after that point, which he wouldn't have done if Shuya had been intending to leave.
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Okay, it's getting annoying now. I'm not going to rewrite and/or delete whole posts on a constant basis, especially for nitpicking stuff.
Just ignore it and move on.
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I never asked you to rewrite or delete the post. I just asked if you would try to avoid such things when possible.
Something like that I can quite easily ignore, and I don't expect you to edit the post. But, that doesn't mean I shouldn't point it out, so you know not to do it in future if it is at all avoidable.
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And with this I think I'm good to go, the good thing about his timing is that you guys can keep doing your thing and after you finish or you think the timing is right then notice what Downy's been up to. Or you could go ahead and notice it now I'm fine with it either way really.
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If anyone's waiting on me because of the Finn/Mille post, go on ahead. Like I said, I'm waiting until people start showing up to the vamp kill fest to post with them. Since I haven't posted with them yet, do people mind if I have one of them notice what Downy's up to, or does anyone want me to wait until a specific time?
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Triple post! But Mil, do you mind if the characters have a chance to go to the hotel and rest up before we take on Downey? Thinking about it, I think our characters might not have enough energy to take him on at this point, though I'll also see what everyone else thinks too. ^_^"
I feel bad for making you wait even longer, but after all the vamps, pretty much everybody's not going to be running out of energy to fight back. If you want us to go ahead though, I think we could barely manage it, though it'd be a tough fight. It's your call though. :)
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Oh no that's perfectly fine I did that way so that you guys could take as long as you needed before responding, I'm content waiting up to about a month before I'd start to get anxious.
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Well, I'm just waiting for OPOI to post. Shirou's been given a very powerful fire arm.
Let's see if he can Dirty Harry it up.
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Sweet Jesus, I'm double posting.
Anyway!
Lancer's using the throwing technique that Archer had to activate his Pretty Pink Shield to stop in UBW.
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Looks like every thing is gearing up fine
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Ugh, long post of dubious quality from me- Includes a flashback for Mille and Finn which I don't think I did a great job on. That's what I get for writing this dead tired. ^_^" But it's done, so hopefully I won't be holding people up.
I'll probably post with Archer and Hakuno later, after other people post and more stuff happens for them to react to, since I don't have much significant to say with them yet other than having them murder more vamps and maybe having Archer say something to Lancer.
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I liked that mario moment.
And poor Kiyoshi gets so much rejection it becomes painful to read.
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Yeah, Taiga isn't being particularly nice to him at the moment....
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Hmm just to clarify for me is this giant explosion in all you guys's posts the one Downy did or was it a different one?
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It's the one that that one Fae pulled off, from what I understood. :) ...I could be wrong though. ^_^" But that's what I assumed at least.
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It was when the Faerie chick decided to Kamakazi after Forest bit her.
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I was picking up on Lancer's use of Gae Bolg, actually....
I was mainly looking for an excuse to not just be stuck away from Forest etc.
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Heh you guys all use too many giant explosions.
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Lol, that we do. :laugh:
And I meant to respond to this earlier, but didn't due to braindeadedness:
I liked that mario moment.
And poor Kiyoshi gets so much rejection it becomes painful to read.
Thank you. :)
And lol, yeah. ^_^" Taiga could be a bit nicer to the poor kid.
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She be serious business face right now, nice is not something for srs business tiger. Nice is for when there's not people in danger. Although she's not social to begin with.
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By the way, Daiki, in case you're waiting for me, I'm currently waiting for you, since it's your "turn". If you want me to just post, though, just say so.
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I was also waiting since Sakura addressed Kiyoshi and Rider first. You should post before me.
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I was also waiting since Sakura addressed Kiyoshi and Rider first. You should post before me.
Well, I was thinking more of Taiga's stuff, and all the stuff from Rider. But, OK.
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Time for fun.
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I'm not a big fan of yet another fight scene
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Alright, the barrier thing's about halfway done- once I estimate about 20 minutes has passed in world since Mille started carving, I'll have her be done so we can have that trap sprung and be done with the whole vampire mess.
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Well, I intend to have Kiyoshi head in that direction, so he and Taiga at least can meet up with you.
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Ah, OK. :) Though I may not wait much longer if need be so we can end this sooner, get the apartments stuff done, and get it so we can get Mil back in the game.
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Yeah, fair enough. Hopefully we'll be able to get there soon, though.
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Yeah. :) After I talk to you guys, I'll probably wrap up so we can take out the vamps, get to the apartments, and get Mil back into the game again. :)
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I should be able to post tonight, hopefully.
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Hmm, OPOI, I'm surprised Shirou didn't remark on Kiyoshi's appearance. It's not hard to tell that he's Shirou's son....
Also, Daiki, I wasn't totally sure whether you wanted to have Isa react to Rider attempting to pick her up. I didn't think it would be an issue, since she's unconscious, but I would prefer it if you'd confirm that.
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Not a problem.
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Hmm, OPOI, I'm surprised Shirou didn't remark on Kiyoshi's appearance. It's not hard to tell that he's Shirou's son....
Also, Daiki, I wasn't totally sure whether you wanted to have Isa react to Rider attempting to pick her up. I didn't think it would be an issue, since she's unconscious, but I would prefer it if you'd confirm that.
OK, but I don't think Shirou's actions would change much. He didn't do anything for Satoshi after all.
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Hmm, OPOI, Kiyoshi hadn't got as far as attacking anything just yet. He was just setting off, and Rider certainly was going to call after him and chase him.
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Being fair Satoshi doesn't look too much like his dad, so I wouldn't expect him too.
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Hmm, OPOI, Kiyoshi hadn't got as far as attacking anything just yet. He was just setting off, and Rider certainly was going to call after him and chase him.
Crap, sorry.
I'll see if I can sorta change it...
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Hmm, OPOI, Kiyoshi hadn't got as far as attacking anything just yet. He was just setting off, and Rider certainly was going to call after him and chase him.
Crap, sorry.
I'll see if I can sorta change it...
It's fine. Although I think Rider is going to misunderstand Shirou's intentions and therefore make things worse....
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Blah, I was gonna post finally, but while trying to stay up long enough to get my brain in gear to make the post, I actually made things worse for myself by ending up staying up all night while trying to accomplish my goal, so I'm going to wait until later today. >_< However, during that post I'll have Mille complete the circle, and have her talk to Lancer about luring the vampires into the trap, so that should take care of that. I'm also going to have Hakuno heal up Shirou as well. And of course try to address other stuff my characters need to address.
It also gives Cherry a chance to post again before I do, so there's that as well. :)
Also added a rough character sketch to Mille's profile finally. I'll update it as needed and stuff.
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Apologies for the double post, but I've finally posted. Not really a *good* post, but it gets the job done. ^_^" Once Lancer responds, Mille will finish the rune circles, Lancer (or a group) can lead the vamps to the circle to be destroyed, and that'll be the end of that, and we can finally move on from the vamp thing.
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Triple post! >_<
But one thing I'd like to clarify about Mille is that it's being called by her full first name that bugs her, and even then at most she's going to be mildly irritated about it (the getting so mad as to hurt people thing was a joke, albeit a bad one ^_^"). The only people she'd get mad at for it is either Finn or someone that's obviously calling her by her full first name to try and piss her off. She does it because she finds the name "Milletia" embarrassing.
She actually uses her middle name in lieu of her shortened first name sometimes if someone isn't part of the Association and they don't know about her first name already in order to save herself the embarrassment, and that's the only reason I included her full name in her profile. Most people would probably know her as "Mille Garrison" and that's it. Probably the only people who'd know her full name would be Rin or anyone else who looked at her profile, or her family.
If it'd help people out with that if I clarified it in her profile, please let me know.
Also, going to post soon hopefully. And we can finally bring this whole vampire mess to an end, yay! :D Also, I have no idea if I'm using the Gaelic I'm using correctly or not, but it's worth a shot. ^_^"
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Edited.
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It's OK- Mille's an OC, so there's only so much you know about her so far, and it's my bad too for not expanding on this stuff enough. ^_^" Thank you for editing though. :)
And my quick Mille-finishing-vampires-off post is done, butchered Irish Gaelic and all. :3 I'll wait for other people to post before I post with anyone else.
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I promise I'll get to post tonight.
I had to work on Saturday (six day workweek for the win) and my husband's family was in town visiting. So I was online very little this weekend.
However, I'll get to post tonight.
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Hmm, I need to think a bit about Kiyoshi's characterisation here, so I don't think I'm going to be able to post tonight.
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Incoming catastrophe.
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Oh dear. It sounds like one of Taiga's attempts at cooking....
Also, the picture of Rin doesn't show up properly. I've checked and it's not due to the spoiler tag, I think the image just doesn't work with hotlinking.
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Also, damn, I completely forgot that Rider had Shuya's katana. I honestly have no idea what would have happened to it....
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Pic should work now.
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Incoming catastrophe.
Ruu's cooking, that's not good.
As for Rider, maybe she dropped the sword to go after Kyo. It's probably still in the area.
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Archer's gonna have quite the mess to clean up once he gets in the kitchen. XD But hey, at least Ruu's trying, got to give him credit for that. :)
And as for Shuya's sword, the other possibility besides it being somewhere in the area is that it's still in Rider's hand, she just forgot about it being there. So it shouldn't be too hard to find either way.
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As for Rider, maybe she dropped the sword to go after Kyo. It's probably still in the area.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking....
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...lantz, did you really need to do that now? When we need to take a break so to speak from all these side quests and need to get recovered and get Isa's sister found? Especially since that could delay us even longer and keep Mil waiting even more than he's already patiently waited?
Pretty much except for the group Shuya's taking with him, our characters are obviously pretty exhausted. Which makes pulling that out right now even more inconsiderate. I'd appreciate it if you'd think more about the other people playing.
I probably won't be able to post until sometime tomorrow evening, btw. I have something important IRL that I need to take care of tomorrow, which will likely eat up most of the first part of the day for me.
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Probably better to wait a bit and organize before going for Satoshi, anyway.
On another note, Xamusel, if possible, I would like you to update.(and possibly be more active?) Otherwise, we'll just have to assume your character isn't there anymore. I'm willing to wait a bit, but we can't stall the night forever. Especially when Milbunk is waiting. If you dropped off the thing or are lacking time to post, just say so.
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Firstly there is such a thing as communication, I would think these characters are all smart enough to talk before taking action. Secondly my characters having been sidelined from the game's start so calling me inconsiderate is a bit like calling the kettle black. Furthermore this is a huge trap it's not like he's inviting them for tea, it's so obvious that I think only inspector gadget would fall for it and also it ties into something discussed earlier.
Finally perhaps this wouldn't have occurred ifi wasn't forced to generate action for my characters by isolated interaction between my own characters.
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@Daiki: That's true enough. The way it was phrased though, I didn't know if Toshi was going to force the issue right then and there or not. But you're definitely correct in that that's the right course of action to take.
@lantz: That doesn't mean that you take it out on us though, especially when, like I said, Mil's waiting already. Plus it'd be easy enough to ignore except that Toshi made a threat Rider can't really ignore, which is extra bad because she's weakened right now. And there's a number of characters that wouldn't just let her go off by herself, so that makes this rather hard to blow off.
The thing is, this isn't the first time you've been inconsiderate to others in the RP. A RP only works well if everyone is willing to be considerate of one another and respect the fact that they aren't the only person playing. Therefore you have to consider what the other players want too. We already have Nessa to bring back to Isa and Downey's plot to foil, which will be a big thing within itself. We don't need yet another thing to deal with on top of all that right now, and again, the way you presented it makes it difficult to ignore, obvious trap or no.
Also, most of what you're characters have done is keep telling characters how they're wrong while your characters are right and keep ostracising and even threatening someone for not taking adult responsibility despite the fact he's only 11 years old. Either that, or it's been something that's been out of place for the situation. It makes it so your characters are unpleasant to interact with, and often times there is little reason to do so. That, combined with your continued lack of consideration for the other players makes it hard for us to interact with them.
Plus we haven't completely ignored you. And again, you're not the only player here. Mil hasn't hardly gotten to do anything, how do you think he feels?
I'm sorry to become so harsh now, but I felt like I needed to finally say something (also, I should be in bed now, since I have to get up early, but... Well, also, this wasn't the best time for me to have to try and take care of this anyway. Tomorrow is a pretty big deal for me, I'm just a touch stressed about it, and this wasn't the best timing for this in the slightest).
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By the way, are we going on the basis that Vanessa was abducted without Sephiroth noticing, or is the kidnapper Sephiroth? I'm a bit confused. Xam really needs to post.
Also, Lantz, your characters were only sidelined because you kept pulling them out. Alter would have been in the thick of it if she hadn't randomly left. And besides, Satoshi and Forest had a huge ass fight didn't he? I'd say he's had a decent role so far. The main problem with Taiga is that...well, she's a girl in a wheelchair. There isn't much she can do. Sakura seems to be doing fine. Actually, I don't see why you say your characters were sidelined at all, they've participated in all the main events so far...
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I don't see a problem with what he's doing, honestly. The only person he's called-out is Rider, and it seems like he wants to face her alone. Rider is not "low" on prana, as such, she just needs prana generally and was being proactive about it. Plus, if prana is an issue I can bring Sakura in. Further, Rider is a heroic spirit and, as such, does not get tired. So, she has no real reason not to go.
Possibly Toshi should have been clearer about wanting Rider to come alone, but otherwise I don't think there's an issue with it. I have no problem with fighting Toshi and, in fact, it's something I've been trying to set up, for my own reasons. It's entirely up to everyone else if they want to come along, but I doubt Rider will particularly encourage it, especially since Toshi seems to want her to live through the beating.
Plus, as OPOI pointed out, we don't necessarily have to come now, although Rider likely will want to after the way he threatened Sakura. Honestly, though, she wouldn't trust Shirou or Shuya to come along with her, and the rest have other things to do (like sleep...), plus she'd want them to keep Kiyoshi safe.
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In terms of the Xam thing, if we have to, we can either assume Sephiroth moved elsewhere, or someone else can temporarily take control of him. It's Elf's call though. He does need to post or at least tell us that he's dropped out/is busy for sure though.
And I disagree that Toshi's thing is easy for other characters to ignore. Hakuno for instance probably would want to make sure that Rider doesn't go alone, and Rider wanting to go right away makes it so there's no time for anyone who wants to go with to rest first.
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In terms of the Xam thing, if we have to, we can either assume Sephiroth moved elsewhere, or someone else can temporarily take control of him. It's Elf's call though. He does need to post or at least tell us that he's dropped out/is busy for sure though.
Yeah, I think he's intending to post but is procrastinating about it....
And I disagree that Toshi's thing is easy for other characters to ignore. Hakuno for instance probably would want to make sure that Rider doesn't go alone, and Rider wanting to go right away makes it so there's no time for anyone who wants to go with to rest first.
That is perhaps true, but in the end it is your choice. You can't blame Lantz for being in-character because you think you should respond in-character in that way. Also, who is going to go with her? Hakuno needs rest, as do all the other humans. Archer is possible, true, but why is it such an issue even if he does?
It might be good if Rider gets back in contact with him, though, to confirm that he wants her to come solo. That would make things much easier. Otherwise I might have Rider just assume that, because she would rather get an embarrassing beating than let Sakura die. Plus, if she goes alone that means that she doesn't have anyone else to stop her doing what she likes to Toshi, and I can't imagine Hakuno being too happy with the sort of brutal torture Rider would put him through if she defeated him after what he just threatened....
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I mainly bring that up because it means it can be difficult to ignore. My main issue is lantz's timing with this. Otherwise I wouldn't be bringing up the issue.
As for Hakuno, it's possible for Archer to make sure she doesn't go (since he cares more about her safety than anything else), but the torture thing assumes Rider wins. If she loses, she'll be difficult to rescue, and that in itself will take quite some time to solve. That part for sure will be difficult to ignore.
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The thing that gets me is that Dark Archer was grouped with all the people who tried to convience Kyoishi off his path. D. Archer didn't even talk to the kid, he's been at Rin's side the entire time.
Still, he's not going to care either way.
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Well, Toshi is an idiot.
Still, I don't think this will cause too many problems. Rider is going to have to deal with Toshi alone, for Sakura's safety.
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Also, OPOI, Shirou is really good at refusing to accept the truth. I mean, Kiyoshi just ran at Rin and called her "Aunty Rin", I'm not sure how that leaves any room for doubts about who his mother is....
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Sorry to make such a fuss earlier, was primarily stressed out due to IRL things, so I didn't really think things through/got more frustrated at the whole thing than I normally would have. ^_^"
As for D. Archer being grouped with the others, he may have been referring to the "good" Archer specifically, but I'm not sure.
And I don't know if I'll be able to post tonight at all, as I still have matters of importance to take care of IRL. When I do though... let's just say that D. Archer isn't the only one that's going to be giving Toshi a lecture, and nor is it the person you'd quite expect.
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Sorry for my delays... life has been a tricky and fickle mistress to me.
Besides which, I've had a case of forgetfulness to this, which I want to undo.
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It's okay. Just tell us when you need time to post or need to take a break.
By the way, are we going on the basis that Vanessa was abducted without Sephiroth noticing, or is the kidnapper Sephiroth? I'm a bit confused. Xam really needs to post.
For now she's with the winged angel, still out and lying on the ground or searching for her sister. The kidnapped part was just Isa being worried. What she's doing now will mostly depends on what Xam post.
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It's okay. Just tell us when you need time to post or need to take a break.
I'll be sure to do so in the future.
Also, I really hate it when I back things up, so I'll get that taken care of right now... plus, stories need to be written, and they can't write themselves.
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Er... I tried reading the RP to remember what I missed, but I can't understand even half of what I missed, unfortunately.
Could someone please fill me in on this? I need the help.
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What didn't you understand?
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Also, OPOI, Shirou is really good at refusing to accept the truth. I mean, Kiyoshi just ran at Rin and called her "Aunty Rin", I'm not sure how that leaves any room for doubts about who his mother is....
a) He didn't hear
b) He is exceptional at denying reality when it comes to Sakura. I was thinking it could be a running gag
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Er... I tried reading the RP to remember what I missed, but I can't understand even half of what I missed, unfortunately.
Could someone please fill me in on this? I need the help.
With your part, Vanessa collapsed due to her telepathically-linked twin sister Isa getting mauled by (werewolves?) something.
Our part:
Satoshi went mad due to Angra Mainyu. Forest, Archer and Shirou knock some sense into him
Suddenly vampires!
Then they all die
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a) He didn't hear
Ah, OK.
b) He is exceptional at denying reality when it comes to Sakura. I was thinking it could be a running gag
Yeah, I guess that figures, although I'm not sure how he's going to do that when she actually shows up in person....
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Thanks for the help, OPOI. I'll have to keep that in mind, especially as I still have to post the reply to Daiki about that ASAP.
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Yeah, you really need to actually get a post done, people are waiting for you....
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Getting on it now.
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I'm sorry Xamusel, but these are not physical wounds. It's a mental thing. She only passed out.
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If you don't mind Xam, I have some critiquey thingies on Sephiroth's characterization if you don't mind me giving them to you, though probably later when I'm less dead and more coherent with my thoughts and things.
And I probably won't be posting tonight due to getting literally no sleep (as in 0 hours of sleep exactly) and still kinda wound up from a stressful day. Although, I will at least try and post, but I can't make any guarantees.
Tomorrow I absolutely promise that I'll post if I don't tonight, now that I have my IRL thing out of the way and hopefully I'll actually have had some sleep by then and hopefully feel a bit less sick.
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So does anyone know of a good time for either Mu or Kusagari to get into the storyline? I'd love to get them involved but I am willing to wait for an opening if I have to.
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So does anyone know of a good time for either Mu or Kusagari to get into the storyline? I'd love to get them involved but I am willing to wait for an opening if I have to.
Well, it depends what you want to do. For example, you could quite easily jump in and start trying to deal with the situation Milbunk has set up, which we're currently not doing because our characters all need to get some rest....
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Well I'm stuck with Sakura till Alice and CL post. As for your statement Alice, stress or no you clearly have a problem with the way I do things. Not everyone will like my style but as for me being the only one playing. I have no idea where you got the idea or what exactly you are expecting of me. As for the attitudes of the five, only three have been opinionated so harshly, one is Alter who is like that in canon anyway, another. Is a child and the last of them is yes a bit hard headed but that's the way he is. We have a psychotic running around and three versions of shirou all of whom are adverts for for anti depressant medication. I don't complain about it despite the lack of originality in casting making me more then a bit bored.
if however your comments are somehow related to the fact that I do not quote other players and take mid post actions then too bad. I don't quote other posts like that.
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Can anyone give me the approximate time of the day it is in the city?
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For my situation? A little past noon.
If you mean theirs, they still have a bit of catch up to do so it's a few days before give or take.
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Can anyone give me the approximate time of the day it is in the city?
Late evening, I think. I had Kiyoshi going to bed in my first post, so probably something around 9 PM.
For my situation? A little past noon.
If you mean theirs, they still have a bit of catch up to do so it's a few days before give or take.
Hmm, really?
Having that big a gap is going to be a bit awkward I think, because you can't interact with us until we catch up with you in time, and you're also assuming we don't change things.
I'd say that your ritual should finish the next day from the one we're on now, even if that means you arrived earlier.
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Oh that's perfectly fine like I mentioned that was more a generalization of course there isn't actually an exact date till you guys catch up but that's why I did it like that in the first place after all.
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I am asking because Mu needs something to do and I am setting him up so that he can be spotted by other characters, an assassin can hide their appearance but they cannot hide their stance when walking at least not the human ones like Mu or Kusagari.
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I am asking because Mu needs something to do and I am setting him up so that he can be spotted by other characters, an assassin can hide their appearance but they cannot hide their stance when walking at least not the human ones like Mu or Kusagari.
Well, right now none of us aside from Mil are going to spot him, we need to get some rest. That's why I think it might be a good idea if you started trying to deal with Mil's stuff.
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Mu will act after either the next post or when Milbunk's character (Downy?) makes his next move
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Mu will act after either the next post or when Milbunk's character (Downy?) makes his next move
I don't think Milbunk intends to post until we actually take account of his actions, honestly.
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Pretty much, I'm fine with waiting so long as you guys keep progressing your story, it's no activity at all that worries me.
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Pretty much, I'm fine with waiting so long as you guys keep progressing your story, it's no activity at all that worries me.
Well, at the moment I think a lot of us are waiting on Alice, and she's been busy this weekend. When she gets a post done I think it'll pick up again.
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Xam, whenever you feel like it.
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I have officially altered my last post, Mu has now officially met a few of Downy's 'pets'
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Working on my post now, just to let people know. Like Cherry Lover said, I was really busy with IRL stuff this weekend (which was also the cause of that bout of stress I had earlier), so I didn't get a chance to work on it. However, I have more than a fair bit to account for, so this may take a bit. I have at least started, if that makes anyone feel better. ^_^"
Also, I can give you that constructive criticism on Sephiroth anytime you like Xam, though I'm waiting for you to give your "OK" on that before I say anything, so that I'm not just forcefully cramming it down your throat. ^_^"
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I'm really struggling with this. I'm not sure when I'm going to get this done. It would have helped if someone didn't start something up that gave me even more to respond to than I already did right at a time when I really couldn't do much. I'm not sure what to do at this point.
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Well Archer is an observer at heart and Hakuno was by your posts kinda running at half power. So take the minimalist approach, it's not always the desired way to do things but it always works.
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Just a tidbit of advice for dealing with my monsters and such, though they may not look it, it does take a well armed full trained soldier to stand up to one, they consist of about 4 different types:
The default lizard men, they use brawn over brain they aren't all that smart but they make up for it with pure brute force, their weapons are a standard sword and shield.
The magi, they are completely cloaked from head to toe, if you revealed their faces you'd see what looked like a horrible monster, they don't have much physical strength but that's cause they back it up with powerful magic attacks, though it takes a few seconds to cast the more powerful stuff the weaker stuff can be launched on reflex. (Small barriers, weak lightning bolts etc.)
The ninjas, they also wear masks and while they don't have either brute force or powerful magic, they do have annoying ninjitsu, hard to detect and annoying to defeat they use a barrage of kunoi as well as rope traps and giant spinning fan blades in their arsenal, though not as intelligent as the magi they aren't to be underestimated.
Finally the Boarmen, similar to the Lizardmen however they are much more intelligent at the cost of being slightly weaker, their weapon is a spear.
Also one final note, at each of the three circles there is a command monster guarding them, they resemble walking tigermen and have the highest stats among all the other monster, if they get the chance they won't hesitate to call for help. They also use a sword and shield.
I think that should be good for my monster if you have any questions just ask.
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Mu's current arsenal that he is wielding, consist of a rune enhanced pistol [Railgun] that fires a .55 caliber armor piercing bullet at high velocity and a Thompson Contender Encore Hunting pistol that fire the massive Nitro Express .600 Caliber rounds at the same velocity as the Railgun would. Both weapons are capable of killing very easily, despite the variety of monsters that Mu would face I doubt they had ever fought against a rune empowered assassin.
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Alrighty, I just wanted to inform you what you're up against, also I'd like to start up more conversations against you but I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself.
If you want though you can take off on your own, kill some more monsters and try to get my attention or something to that degree.
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Hope things are settling for you, Alice.
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Finally are setting down, somewhat; thank you for the concern. :) I'm definitely a lot less strung out and stressed than before at least (so hopefully certain shifts in temperament shouldn't be happening ever again ^_^").
Speaking of which, I finally posted. :D Probably missed a ton of stuff without meaning to, but at this late juncture, probably just getting the post out there is more important.
Hopefully now we can finally get the RP moving again. :)
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Sorry for my forced sabbatical. My laptop just came back today, and my desktop's in the shop right now, which it has been since this past Sunday.
I'll get back to this as soon as humanly possible.
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Shuya, is such a gentleman.
Also can't we do something about the Archer's? It's not a problem for Shuya(see below) but it might provide difficult for Ruu and the twins.
Quick reminder;
Lancer = Asshole.*
Forest = Blondie.
Archer Alter = Smug face, Asshole.*
Rider = Eyepatch.
Kiyoshi = Boy, Kiddo.
Sakura = Coming soon?
Hakuno = Shield girl(formerly Trash), Asshole's master.
Archer = Smug face's twin, also Asshole's twin, Asshole.*
Rin = Smug face's gf, Asshole.*
Finn = Rifle guy, Asshole.*
Mille = Shortie, Rune girl.
Ruby = Coming soon.
Taiga = Eye of the Taiga.**
Satoshi = Coming soon.
Sakura = Coming soon.
Saber Alter = Coming soon.
AM = Coming soon.
Shirou = Trash.
Sephiroth = Coming soon.
Downy = Coming soon.
Kusagari = Coming soon.
Munashii = Coming soon.
Rider Shirou = Coming soon?
Valken = Scum, etc...(Already maxed out)
Isa = Crying girl.
Nessa = Coming soon.
Ruu = Midget.
Himself = Asshole.*
Rejoice, the more interaction with Shuya, the more titles you unlock.
*Unlocked automatically by joining Team Asshole. Hakuno's Archer obtains it by association.
** Yep, I dared.
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Just a notification to Mike, Shuya's reacting to "I really don't know what I'll do, Shuya", not what she discuss afterwards.
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In terms of telling them apart name-wise you mean? Yeah, I thought about that myself and thought of having one of my characters mention it in my next post. But yeah, it'd definitely be a good idea to have a way to distinguish the two by name. ^_^"
And so many Assholes. I imagine that's going to come back and haunt some of them at some point or other. :3
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Kusagari won't appear until later on, as I plan on him literally dropping into the party but my latest character will be appearing when I get an opening for her.
I know her character very well and I bet Elf does too.
Also in response to:
And so many Assholes. I imagine that's going to come back and haunt some of them at some point or other. :3
What happens when someone who is not an Asshole winds up on team asshole?
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It's already happened....
They still get the term "asshole" :P
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It's already happened....
They still get the term "asshole" :P
If there is a Team Asshole then what is the other team then?
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It's already happened....
They still get the term "asshole" :P
If there is a Team Asshole then what is the other team then?
There's another team?
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It's already happened....
They still get the term "asshole" :P
If there is a Team Asshole then what is the other team then?
There's another team?
They can't all be Team Asshole, right?
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Well, everyone else is just going back to the apartment....
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I have now opened up a new venue for conflict, Organized Crime in Nexus City under a figure of great power and it helps to keep a character in the dark just so they can be mysterious. Also if I were to literally drop a character on another character [not one of mine or Milbunk's only character], who would be a good choice?
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Well, right now most of our character are bunched together, and we're trying to get back to the apartment, so I suspect most of us would rather not right now. Possibly one of Lantz's characters, but I don't know if he'd be OK with it.
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Well, right now most of our character are bunched together, and we're trying to get back to the apartment, so I suspect most of us would rather not right now. Possibly one of Lantz's characters, but I don't know if he'd be OK with it.
I plan on dropping a busty blonde vampiress on someone, I'd imagine that someone may remark something about such things only happening in Mangas
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Well, what do you intend for us to do with her?
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Well, what do you intend for us to do with her?
Not much, she has no idea where she is and there is the factor that she is a vampiress. She'd probably have a crap ton of swords and a few guns pointed at her when that fact comes to light, he'd probably try to look as harmless as possible
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Well, the group as it stands contains a mythological monster, a corrupted heroic spirit and another vampire, none of whom are close to being the worst people around. I think she'll be just fine....
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Well, the group as it stands contains a mythological monster, a corrupted heroic spirit and another vampire, none of whom are close to being the worst people around. I think she'll be just fine....
Let me edit that, she is a breed of Vampire that absorbs a persons soul by draining them of their blood if she does not wish them to become her fledgling and she has over a million souls within her.
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And this is a good guy?
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Technically, Seras should only have one soul within her: Pip's.
She's not like Alucard who goes devouring souls nilly willy. Pip willingly gave himself to her so she could beat that Nazi bitch. Not to mention, even with Alucard "gone", she's under Integra's control. Integra doesn't let that sort of shit fly.
Also, a fairly long assed post from me.
Isa has now been equipped with Crow Pendent.
The Crow Pendent will react once when Isa is in trouble. It'll stun all enemies attacking her directly and alert Forest that she's in trouble and let Forest hone in on her location.
Others may get their own Crow Pendents in the future.
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I was expecting lots of things but that's even better than the Bat-signal.
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Technically, Seras should only have one soul within her: Pip's.
She's not like Alucard who goes devouring souls nilly willy. Pip willingly gave himself to her so she could beat that Nazi bitch. Not to mention, even with Alucard "gone", she's under Integra's control. Integra doesn't let that sort of shit fly.
AU version of Seras, Integra got fatally wounded and chose death over vampirism and Alucard chose to join her. So he relinquished all of his souls to Seras, which were then basically stuffed into her and in the midst of the stuff of souls she wound up absorbing all the blood in London and its countryside. Pip is still her go to Familiar though
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That's a bit shark jumpy mord
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I went ahead and posted with Hakuno, but on Cherry's request, I'm holding off with the rest until he posts first. I'll post with the rest once he gets his post done.
And I'm looking forward to there being even more Crow Pendants in the future. :3 Though this one was really sweet all in itself due to the circumstances. :)
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I am outline the mystery guy/Joe to be a behind the scenes baddie who's only goal is control of all crime in Nexus and Kusagari has been spotted, he's sleeping on a bench and he is a light sleeper with his the Sora Katana in reach of his hands.
This is what his clothing looks like if anyone here spots him if you need to describe his appearance
(http://unbored.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Red-Steel-2-hero-protagonist.jpg)
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Hmm, I just thought of something... Should I wait for D. Archer to respond to Shuya attacking him before I finish my posting? There's a chance for him to dodge the headbutt.
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If your post relies on the outcome of that attack then of course wait. If not it seems rather minor, Archer is hardheaded enough to survive.
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Hmm, I just thought of something... Should I wait for D. Archer to respond to Shuya attacking him before I finish my posting? There's a chance for him to dodge the headbutt.
Go ahead and reply.
Just, it's not a good thing to headbutt someone who's body's made of swords.
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Hmm, I just thought of something... Should I wait for D. Archer to respond to Shuya attacking him before I finish my posting? There's a chance for him to dodge the headbutt.
Go ahead and reply.
Just, it's not a good thing to headbutt someone who's body's made of swords.
It's necessary for males in a horde/herd/pack to duel themselves to establish hierarchy. Shuya needs to find his place.
Tldr; Kick his arse.
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OK, I've finally posted Shirou's character sheet, and I also edited Sakura's to take account of what people said about her healing ability. If anyone has any comments on Shirou they'd be very helpful.
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With so many Emiya's in nexus, all we need is a version of Kiritsugu and we'd have the collection....so to speak
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Alright, now that that's taken care of it's time to wait again lol.
Also just to clarify Grea talked to me beforehand about this plan. (He was actually the one who suggested it.)
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Mu was doing noting and so was downy, so I figured that Downy could use a minion and Mu could use some action without be shunted to the side due to all the higher level characters. So why not pull the old "Villain uses mind control on one hero and use them as a minion" routine, yeah it is an old one but it works especially if Downy were to reveal that he controls Mu and that Mu is under the control of another. The ones with the hero complexes will have to pull their punches if the wish to save Mu from Downy's control, plus the who thing allows for Mu top play the villain despite being a good guy and as a result I'll have to use Kusagari as a fighter for team good guy.....wait if Kusagari joins the group, does this mean he'd be joining Team Asshole?
So far as I have seen it, we have at least three teams;
Team Evil: Downy Reed & Munashi 'Mu' Mumei*
Team Mafia: The Don**
Team Asshole: Look back to Daiki's list of nicknames for the list of team members
* Mind you Mu is currently bound to Downy's will
** Yeah the Don ain't doing much at the moment but given a chance, well he can be force of nature.
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OPOI, Shirou's circuits improved a bit.(Nothing major though, just helping Shirou a bit)
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Hmm, as a general thing, if anyone uses Greek around Rider (I know you didn't, Daiki, your post just reminded me of this), could you please translate it for me? I don't speak Greek (although I can transliterate it), but Rider obviously does, so she would know what the spell meant.
Obviously, if it's just gibberish, you don't need to bother. I just don't want to be unable to respond as Rider would due to a lack of linguistic knowledge.
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No problem.
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Ok, uber post of death finally done. ^_^" Are those paragraphs manageable, or should I try formatting those a bit so it's easier to read? Not that they really have great stuff in them anyway, but eh, they're done at least.
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I'm honestly confused, Sakura never said a word to Isa elf. Honestly that reply just killed two hours of planning. Seriously I'm getting sick of people acting for my characters. It keeps causing serious problems and then I get blamed.
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Her answer doesn't include a mention about Isa though. Not sure how that would affect your next posts.
On a related note, not sure if I'm going overboard(or the opposite) with Isa so far.
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Forests reaction was founded on a response to Isa which has yet to happen.
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It didn't seem all that emphasized by it. Her reaction is rather chill.(well, besides the stuck up bitch part, but everyone insults left and right anyway) I think it's safe for you to post regardless of that for now.
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I'm waiting on mike although given the crowd lock I'll have to talk to him before he posts since the thing we planned is basically fucked over a barrel.
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Can't you just delay it or something?
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What Daiki said. Though knowing what your plans with Mike are, I'm not entirely sure how Elf's post messes with that? Unless there's something going on beyond Rider trotting off to fight Toshi.
Speaking of Daiki, I think Isa's reactions have been pretty reasonable thus far. You're doing just fine with that. :)
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Hey Mike's got Sakura and HF Shirou up now!
The fun times begin!!
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Well, I'm not sure when I'll send them in. It depends on when it fits with what I intend to do.
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Nessa and Shirou, best pals soon.
^I'm also expecting them.
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Nessa and Shirou, best pals soon.
I'm amazed she can stomach the guy after the stuff he does, frankly.
^I'm also expecting them.
Well, they will show up, but it's a matter of when I want Rider to get powered-up. And also when I get the chance to write their introduction scene.
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She's a bit of an oddball and definitively less caring about others compared to Isa. Remember how she looked unconcerned upon seeing the guy Sephiroth burned? Things like that.
Although they care for each other, they don't act nor consider people the same way. It's not something so noticeable at first, but you'll eventually see the obvious gap between their way of thinking. (Which I planned to use as a way to build tension between the twins)
Anyway, I sincerely hope we can get the pair to reach the group soon, so that we can all move forward.
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You actually don't know what the plan was. Sadly this leaves me out of the RP for the foreseeable future because of the crowd locking up as they usually do.
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You actually don't know what the plan was. Sadly this leaves me out of the RP for the foreseeable future because of the crowd locking up as they usually do.
There's no "locking up" here, people are just acting according to their characters. The only people who are being seriously anti-Sakura right now are Rin, Archer and Forest, anyway. The rest are not.
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Yeah, well, post is up. This is nice as she'll be for now. Any nicer given the circumstances and it'd be out of character.
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Hmm, I'm not going to get my post done tonight I think. I'll try to get it done as soon as possible tomorrow. I'd appreciate it if the characters already involved in the discussion I'm in would wait for me to post before they do, so I don't have even more stuff to try to fit in.
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Kusagari is still on hold until someone elses character finds him, he's sleeping on a bench meanwhile Mu cant move until Milbunk posts Downy's response. The Don is free to move about but he doesn't have much to do
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Yeah Mike, I'm pretty surprised that they get along as well...
I said that Shirou was just around the corner, but waited for everyone to finish before coming out. Is that alright Mike?
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*sigh* I'm so terribly sorry right now, guys, but I might as well put my RPing here on hold while I figure out how to make sure my time is better managed in real life. I really don't have much time right now as it is... if only there were more hours in a day and more days in a week.
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Ok, I've been asked to edit my last post for clarification, is that ok with you guys?
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Yeah, fine by me. No-one has replied to it yet, so I think you should just go ahead.
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Yeah, go right on ahead. Really, since no one's actually replied to it yet, you don't even have to ask permission, just go ahead and edit it.
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I'm thinking about upping the character cap to six.
What do you all think?
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Great idea elf
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Sounds good to me. :) Got plans for the 6th character slot already? :3
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Are you asking Elf or me? Actually come to think of it, I think currently at least I'm the only one at cap
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The reason I was thinking about upping it was . . . well there are three characters that I've been wanting to bring in.
Since I'm already playing three . . .
So yeah, Character Cap has now moved from Five to Six.
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I'm thinking about upping the character cap to six.
What do you all think?
Yeah, I'd be OK with that. It allows me to bring in someone a bit different without cutting my current character choices out.
Are you asking Elf or me? Actually come to think of it, I think currently at least I'm the only one at cap
Well, I have stated my intention to bring 5, but I've only written sheets for 4 and I'm only currently playing 2.
Also, I'm going away this weekend, so I probably won't be able to post. I will have my computer and an internet connection, but I'm unlikely to have much post-writing time.
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I won't be able to post regularly for the next month...
I'll try, but no guarantees
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Are you asking Elf or me? Actually come to think of it, I think currently at least I'm the only one at cap
I was asking Elf, though it's fine if you want to answer too. And I was at the cap as well (Mille and Finn brought me up to 5).
The reason I was thinking about upping it was . . . well there are three characters that I've been wanting to bring in.
Since I'm already playing three . . .
So yeah, Character Cap has now moved from Five to Six.
Ah, OK- that works~ :3 And yay! :D
I won't be able to post regularly for the next month...
I'll try, but no guarantees
It's OK. Just do your best. :) IRL stuff comes first, after all.
And I'm gonna post, don't worry. It's going to take me a bit though, I think- I think we're back to the alleyway levels of post longness/complicatedness again. ^_^"
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And I'm gonna post, don't worry. It's going to take me a bit though, I think- I think we're back to the alleyway levels of post longness/complicatedness again. ^_^"
Yeah, I think we need to get this done ASAP, it's starting to get hard to post.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting everyone to the stronghold so we can actually do character interaction and stuff.
And characters can break up into smaller groups.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting everyone to the stronghold so we can actually do character interaction and stuff.
And characters can break up into smaller groups.
Yeah, well, Kiyoshi will be going off with Sakura soon. Rider will be going off on her own pretty soon, too, and I'll be bringing Sakura and Shirou in.
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To answer the question. I have a metric ton of ideas, not the least of which are Tamano,Drake,Ciel,Kohaku,Lancelot,Hercules, Shinji, Aladdin's Genies,mecha Hisui, Aoko,Satsuki and Masahiro (Extra's male MC)
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We need more villains in this mess, I got the mafia don and Milbunk has Downy Reed. Also I have an off and on villain in the works as well as a servant [not evil in any possible way] of the rider class, who I will actually need to be summoned forth.
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We need more villains in this mess, I got the mafia don and Milbunk has Downy Reed. Also I have an off and on villain in the works as well as a servant [not evil in any possible way] of the rider class, who I will actually need to be summoned forth.
Hmm, I dunno. We have quite a few villains already, and we do have enough to deal with right now.
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Pretty much. Let's see how things unfold for now.
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What Cherry and Daiki said.
And I'm sorry for the lack of a post and the subsequent delay, hopefully I'll post sometime tomorrow and not delay things any longer. I've been under the weather for the past few days, and while I can write shorter posts just fine even when I'm sick, I tend to struggle a lot more with more complicated ones like this one. ....I still feel bad for it though. Again, hopefully I can get this thing done finally sometime tomorrow.
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Np Alice, sickness is a big deal for everyone. Try to get better and post whenever you are up to it. No use making yourself more sick worrying eh.
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I'm tired, I'm frustrated, and I still don't have this stupid thing done. Look, if anyone wants to go ahead of me, that's fine.
But in the future, let's try to avoid big messes like this where posts get impossibly long and more and more impossible to reply to. It's a nightmare to reply to, and I'm really sick and tired of having situations like this where it's difficult to write a response. I shouldn't be having this type of difficulty, period, and aside from that, it kills a lot of the enjoyment in the RP, as it makes posts incredibly stressful to write as I'm worried I'm killing off the forum just from struggling to write one stupid post.
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Yeah, we really need to avoid getting into situations where there are multiple different "scenes" to reply to in a single post. People need to make their posts shorter and, in particular, only do one actual action in each post.
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Finally done! ...It's a really crappy post, pretty much the crappiest I've written I think, but at least it's done! :D ... :( ...Here's hoping I didn't write anything that doesn't keep us away from the apartments much longer....
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It was fine Alice, don't beat yourself up about how long it took. You haven't done anything drastic to stop story progression at all, don't worry!
Yeah, glad I didn't have to deal with long scenes this time. If I complicated your lives by having Shirou bring in Vanessa, sorry...
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MOS Shirou, Item Get!
.44 Magnum.
A really big revolver that can shoot through cars, buildings, and people! Vampire giving you trouble? Well, you can blow that wanker's head right off and not even need silver bullets.
Because it is also a revolver it is easy to make some custom made bullets if one has access to a dye press. Since it is also a revolver, it can only chamber six rounds before it needs to be fired again, but it is more accurate than its Super .44 Mag counter part, which is semi-auto. For those curious, the advantages to the semi-auto is that its magazine holds 8 rounds and its easier to reload.
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@OPOI That's good to hear. :) ...Though I still feel kinda bad about it. ^_^"
And you didn't cause any problems with that, don't worry. :D You actually saved us quite a bit of time.
@Elf ...Wow, that's a really nice gun. O_O Item get indeed!
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Because it is also a revolver it is easy to make some custom made bullets if one has access to a dye press.
Or, he could just trace them (well, probably excepting the explosive element...). :P
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Hmm, also, I'm not sure if I should wait for Daiki or not. It is his turn to post next, technically, but I don't think there's anything much I really need to sort out with him (although there are things he can reply to) and I've not seen him on the forum for almost a week now.
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Don't beat yourself over it Alice, if it weren't you, I would have been the one holding people back for a bit. I just can't seem to do something constructive these days.
You're free to post Mike. I'll just take my time to read what everyone posted and update from that.
Ok, that's updated. You don't have to react to Shuya for now if you want to go forward. There's time to discuss on the way to the stronghold tho.
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Yeah, you posted about 5 minutes before I was about to post, so I've completely ignored your post for the time being. I don't think there was an awful lot in it for me to respond to anyway, though, except for the stuff about killing which was so far back in time that trying to include it would have made it a real pain.
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@Daiki Ah, OK- I know that feeling all too well, believe me. ^_^"
And hopefully next post should be up soon-ish. From what I can tell, there isn't nearly as much for me to respond to, so hopefully we won't have a repeat of what I just did delay-wise.
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Ugh, more delays, and right after I thought I wouldn't have it happen again. It's mainly through a combination of a little bad luck IRL (thunderstorms in October are pretty nasty apparently ^_^") and keeping the forum spinning.
I really hope I can get a post in sometime tonight. I'll keep trying anyway, if nothing else. If people want to prod me to get on with it, that's fine.
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Probably going to make a sheet for this.
...I think I've been listening to too much Judas Priest because I kinda know just exactly what I'm going to bring in.
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Even if I were in favor of role playing with you Arch (and I'm not, I don't trust you one bit) I would have to speak up negatively about your character. Doomrider is a meme and not even remotely fitting the rp theme or being otherwise a serious character.
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That's Elf's call though as the DM- if she's cool with it, then well, it's cool. And no need to be negative about it- let's try to put aside personal issues in here. RPs are all about cooperation.
...And I swear, I'm going to post soon! >_< Hopefully. Maybe. ....I'm hoping this gets easier once the present big group gets back to the apartments. Smaller groups and all that.
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Doomrider is an actually legit character man. He has a statblock and everything in third edition, when GW did Cocaine. Sadly, he was too awesome for subsequent editions and was cut out, but the legend lives on in the hearts of Chaos Space Marine players the world over such as myself. Shine on you Junkie Diamond. We barely got any fluff for him so /tg/ and the community at large have basically turned him into a Ghost Rider that does cocaine, speed, weed, meth, morphine, and Spook all at the same time.
I generally don't treat PbP RP's as seriously as say, TTRPGS. Besides, isn't the point of this to enjoy ourselves? He'll be a fun interaction for a lot of the characters, an obviously insane biker with the Harley literally from Hell. :evil:
Also, trust me, Sashimi won't get fucked up as long as he keeps his hands off the bike and out of Doom's cocaine.
For that matter, I'm far more concerned with how Elf takes the sheet compared to how you view it.
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The character violates the rule about aliens, actually WH 40K does so in general but doomrider is also extraplannar which is further than the basic setting.
And Arch the stupid name for Satoshi stops right now.
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The character violates the rule about aliens, actually WH 40K does so in general but doomrider is also extraplannar which is further than the basic setting.
And Arch the stupid name for Satoshi stops right now.
AHAHAHAHAHA.
He's a daemon, and you can't say HURRDURR EXTRAPLANAR when Satoshi is just as bad at this. For that matter, Daemons aren't aliens. They're fucking DAEMONS. Technically, they exist simultaniously in 40k and in WHFB. They're more a fantasy thing than a sci-fi thing anyway.
Don't get into an argument with me over Warhammer Lore lantz, you will lose. I hath been tested in the fires of the neckbeards of /tg/, seen the roiling chaos of SpaceBattles and braved the depths of the dreaded Wardian Fluff to obtain my knowledge. Try me if you have no wish to keep on living.
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Again, that's Elf's call. Whether Doomrider is acceptable or not is her decision, not anyone else's.
And before things get too heated, cool it down in here.
I do have one thing to say though: lantz, stop it. He's backed off, if you're going to keep bringing up your issues with Magos, it's your own damn fault if an argument happens. Just ignore him if he bothers you that much, don't keep bringing it up and cause trouble over it. I will act if he gets out of line, but he's being pretty civil. So knock it off.
Regardless of my own opinion on Toshi as a character, however, the "Sashimi" dig was probably a bit much, so that probably needs to stop.
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Again, that's Elf's call. Whether Doomrider is acceptable or not is her decision, not anyone else's.
Exactly. Wait for Mama Elf's verdict.
As is though I can assure you he violates none of the rules as far as I can tell.
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I think that's about right- though I don't know much about WH 40k, so I'm not the best one to judge. ^_^" I think Elf may know more than I do at least. ...Which is good if she does, because it's her decision after all.
But yeah, from the character sheet, I didn't see anything that suggests "alien," so I'm not sure what the problem is, unless there's just some WH 40k lore thingie that's flying over my head or something.
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I generally don't treat PbP RP's as seriously as say, TTRPGS. Besides, isn't the point of this to enjoy ourselves? He'll be a fun interaction for a lot of the characters, an obviously insane biker with the Harley literally from Hell. :evil:
The rest of us are playing this generally seriously, though. Having a clear parody character in there doesn't help with that.
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Again, Elf's call on that. I suggest you two (lantz and Cherry) step back from it and let Elf say her piece.
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Yes, it's Elf's call, that doesn't mean we're not allowed to give opinions.
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True, though in this case it's linked to lantz's view of Magos, which he won't let go, and is problematic. The criticism is fine, it's the resurrecting of drama that I have problems with.
Again, please just wait for Elf. There's been more than enough drama for one day, believe me.
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Don't stuff words in my mouth Alice, I said in my first post that I'd have to speak up regardless of opinions on Arch and I meant it. The character doesn't fit the tone or theme, the doomrider is wearing powered armour which is worn by the space Marines (I'm not familiar with the exact chapter. The warp is chaotic space but the key word according to the codex is space. As in the black void. Having fun with a character rather than being serious is fine by me but this is a bit ridiculous. Doomrider is silly and in the description is noted as out classing a utter joke like snow flame (who in himself is a meme) it may be elf's call but I like the game so far and I actually have plans so damn right I'll speak up when someone tries to bring in a character like this.
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Don't stuff words in my mouth Alice, I said in my first post that I'd have to speak up regardless of opinions on Arch and I meant it. The character doesn't fit the tone or theme, the doomrider is wearing powered armour which is worn by the space Marines (I'm not familiar with the exact chapter. The warp is chaotic space but the key word according to the codex is space. As in the black void. Having fun with a character rather than being serious is fine by me but this is a bit ridiculous. Doomrider is silly and in the description is noted as out classing a utter joke like snow flame (who in himself is a meme) it may be elf's call but I like the game so far and I actually have plans so damn right I'll speak up when someone tries to bring in a character like this.
Doomrider is depicted in Power Armor because, well, he's in 40k and was in the CSM codex before the Daemons codex ever existed for that game line. He supposedly would be granted such a thing by the Chaos Gods even after ascension anyway. For that matter Space Marines aren't aliens, and the Warp also exists in WHFB, and is described THE EXACT SAME FUCKING WAY as in 40k - Chaotic space. The emphasis in both cases is Chaotic, not space. The Warp is the Primordial Chaos, the source and seat of emotions and magic. It is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end of all things, the sea of birth and the site of death of the universe. The Warp is everywhere. I warned you not to get into this Lantz, you'll lose.
Besides CSM are not split into chapters, read more of your damn fluff. Chaos Space Marines don't go by the Codex Astartes.
Also, Doomrider having power armor, due to his being a daemon prince, means that power armor exists technically in WHFB. I pity the poor Brettonians that end up against him.
Work on your reading comprehension lantz, the Snowflame thing in the backstory WAS A FUCKING JOKE. It's hyperbole man, and even then Snowflame is a legit villain as well, remembered more for his campy appearence and powers than anything he actually did as a villain - he died in the issue which he appeared. The guy worshiped Cocaine as a god - seriously, look up the comic I'm not kidding. New Guardians was a weird weird series accidentally about Eugenics where the purpose of the team was rendered moot by the team structure.
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If I can allow Mr. Fixit as a character I'll allow Doomrider.
Besides, he's a Daemon (fancy way of spelling demon). Like Ghost Rider (Who I would allow if someone wanted him) on cocaine. So basically I'm seeing this guy as the bastard child of Ghost Rider and Rocxso, the Rock and Roll Clown, and I am deeply amused.
If things get too absurd, I'll GM spank.
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Mr fix it?
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Mr. Fixit, as in the Gray Gangster Hulk.
That's who "The Don" is.
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Mr. Fixit, as in the Gray Gangster Hulk.
That's who "The Don" is.
Aye, The Don is in fact the Grey Hulk.
I wanted to make it a surprise, so when someone tries to attack him directly they discover mundane means aren't gonna cut
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If I can allow Mr. Fixit as a character I'll allow Doomrider.
Besides, he's a Daemon (fancy way of spelling demon). Like Ghost Rider (Who I would allow if someone wanted him) on cocaine. So basically I'm seeing this guy as the bastard child of Ghost Rider and Rocxso, the Rock and Roll Clown, and I am deeply amused.
If things get too absurd, I'll GM spank.
Got it Elf. So make an introductory post then?
Mr. Fixit, as in the Gray Gangster Hulk.
That's who "The Don" is.
Aye, The Don is in fact the Grey Hulk.
I wanted to make it a surprise, so when someone tries to attack him directly they discover mundane means aren't gonna cut
That'd be one hell of a surprise I can tell you that.
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Mr. Fixit, as in the Gray Gangster Hulk.
That's who "The Don" is.
Aye, The Don is in fact the Grey Hulk.
I wanted to make it a surprise, so when someone tries to attack him directly they discover mundane means aren't gonna cut
I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
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I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
I don't think anyone here does.
Might as well not post again, basically yeah, Hulks are fucking TOUGH. Didn't Red Hulk basically take on the world and win?
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I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
He's a Hulk, though the weakest of the hulk variations but still a hulk nonetheless and it takes a lot to subdue a Hulk
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I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
He's a Hulk, though the weakest of the hulk variations but still a hulk nonetheless and it takes a lot to subdue a Hulk
Yeah, and Rider is a mythological monster....
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I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
He's a Hulk, though the weakest of the hulk variations but still a hulk nonetheless and it takes a lot to subdue a Hulk
Yeah, and Rider is a mythological monster....
And the Hulk has punched out physical GODS.
No seriously, he's handed Thor his ass before I think.
Also, Mike, we seriously need to have a Rider Vs Doomrider race for fun in this.
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Also, Mike, we seriously need to have a Rider Vs Doomrider race for fun in this.
Well, that's something Rider would probably be up for, but not right now.
Also, could you please leave Toshi alone for the moment? I've been setting some stuff with with Lantz for ages, and I would rather you not just jump in the middle of it and wreck it.
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Also, Mike, we seriously need to have a Rider Vs Doomrider race for fun in this.
Well, that's something Rider would probably be up for, but not right now.
Also, could you please leave Toshi alone for the moment? I've been setting some stuff with with Lantz for ages, and I would rather you not just jump in the middle of it and wreck it.
But... but... PARTY CASTLE! :'(
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Also, Mike, we seriously need to have a Rider Vs Doomrider race for fun in this.
Well, that's something Rider would probably be up for, but not right now.
Also, could you please leave Toshi alone for the moment? I've been setting some stuff with with Lantz for ages, and I would rather you not just jump in the middle of it and wreck it.
But... but... PARTY CASTLE! :'(
It's not a party castle, lol. I'm not sure you could even get inside, honestly (it's not a normal castle), and I doubt Lantz is overly enthusiastic about the idea given that he's planning stuff out with me right now.
I'd just rather it if you'd let us finish what we've got planned before jumping in.
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It might not be an actual castle, but it can be rather hard to keep a daemon out of things. Besides, its totally IC for Doomrider to go there, see "Oh this isn't a party castle" and bug out bummed and doing enough coke to kill ten men.
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It might not be an actual castle, but it can be rather hard to keep a daemon out of things.
Well, perhaps. I'm not sure how he'd get inside, though. It's ultimately up to Lantz what the properties of the castle are. I can't imagine Toshi will bother with Doomrider if he just shows up, goes "fuck this, this is boring" and disappears again.
Besides, its totally IC for Doomrider to go there, see "Oh this isn't a party castle" and bug out bummed and doing enough coke to kill ten men.
Yeah, I guess. I don't think the Castle has much of anything to interest him right now anyway, although Rider might go for the whole "lust" and "torture" thing later if he's into that....
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Well, perhaps. I'm not sure how he'd get inside, though. It's ultimately up to Lantz what the properties of the castle are. I can't imagine Toshi will bother with Doomrider if he just shows up, goes "fuck this, this is boring" and disappears again.
Yeah, I guess. I don't think the Castle has much of anything to interest him right now anyway, although Rider might go for the whole "lust" and "torture" thing later if he's into that....
Well, he CAN move through the warp, and he is a daemon, its very hard to keep him outside of places he wants to get in. Knowing Satoshi though, he'll try to kill Doomrider when he just wants to party.
Nah, Doomrider is more the SPEED AND THRILLS type of daemon.
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I think Satoshi will leave him alone as long as he's not making any effort to attack. As for the "Warp" thing, I'm not sure how that works in this context.
As for the "speed and thrills" thing, Rider can do that too. She does enjoy riding things, and it's rare for her to find any real competition.
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I'm not sure you could call what most of us use "mundane methods"....
He's a Hulk, though the weakest of the hulk variations but still a hulk nonetheless and it takes a lot to subdue a Hulk
Yeah, and Rider is a mythological monster....
And the Hulk has punched out physical GODS.
No seriously, he's handed Thor his ass before I think.
Yes the normal [Green Scar] hulk has beaten the shit out of several gods, but this is the weakest of the hulks and so his abilities are weakened like a servant with a master incapable of supplying enough power to bring their stats up to par.
Right now all he is going is running the criminal underworld in Nexus, so all you really need to do is interrupt his operations and he'll come looking for the interlopers. He works the Casinos, gambling, heists, fencing and stuff along those lines.
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Arch you actually have very little to worry about from Satoshi. He's busy and bacon wrapped in all the world's evil he'd laugh off Doom Rider's gibbering coke fueled insanity, however the knights and Alter are another story entirely. Alter is srs business yo. As for the castle it's sealed up. Getting in is impossible until you blow a hole in the wall or are let inside and the former makes the castle lay out shift so doom would be wasting a lot of time.
Besides that as mike said this is sorta an event bit and it's kinda better if you avoided the castle for a bit.
the don is Joe? Seriously? After the bit with Rider Satoshi will have to parley with the don to discuss matters of business.
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Arch you actually have very little to worry about from Satoshi. He's busy and bacon wrapped in all the world's evil he'd laugh off Doom Rider's gibbering coke fueled insanity, however the knights and Alter are another story entirely. Alter is srs business yo. As for the castle it's sealed up. Getting in is impossible until you blow a hole in the wall or are let inside and the former makes the castle lay out shift so doom would be wasting a lot of time.
Besides that as mike said this is sorta an event bit and it's kinda better if you avoided the castle for a bit.
the don is Joe? Seriously? After the bit with Rider Satoshi will have to parley with the don to discuss matters of business.
Who ever said I'd be blowing a hole in the wall? :3
'Sides, I doubt the knights can match his GOTTA GO FAST speed. And I doubt that Alter can either.
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The don is Joe? Seriously? After the bit with Rider Satoshi will have to parley with the don to discuss matters of business.
In order of the questions and statement
Yes, Joe Fixit is indeed the Don
Seriously.
And yes business withe the Don is always good thing, though a meeting place would be needed in a neutral location.
Would Satshi be bringing any backup of any kind? Like a bodyguard or someone to act as a neutral observer? Also does Satoshi know Marvel Comics?
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Come on Alice, things look like they're going to start to be fun soon . . . :)
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This may be a bit off topic but while I was bored I truied to look up some kind off character generator and I found something that could be used to generate some of the characters if Cross Effects, Gen8's Chibi Maker 1.1 (http://gen8.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Maker-1-1-346025144) which I already used to make a Chibi Version of Joe Fixit
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z255/Zabooboo/b3258902-ced4-4a70-97f6-fc991f82f309.jpg)
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Come on Alice, things look like they're going to start to be fun soon . . . :)
Sorry, trying to get it done. :( Not had much luck the past few days in terms of free time. >_< ...Again. My luck is awful.
If I don't get it done tonight in interest of getting something resembling sleep tonight, I'll post tomorrow for sure, regardless of the consequences. Said post may be somewhat lacking, however.
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Hmm, Cursed, your description of Kisuke's alignment sounds more Chaotic Good than True Neutral to me. For one thing, if something is "morally questionable" to them it can't possibly be "whatever they feel is right", and legality has no relationship to goodness (hence why Chaotic Good exists).
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Thanks for the heads-up, I'll go and edit.
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So I took a quick look at the OP of the thread. It says five characters max, but is that a necessity? If I'm about to join can I start off with only one character and just add new ones when I feel like it?
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So I took a quick look at the OP of the thread. It says five characters max, but is that a necessity? If I'm about to join can I start off with only one character and just add new ones when I feel like it?
Pretty much so. You can start with one, or even six characters.
So jump in.
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Is there a list of which characters are already taken? I can already see a bunch of Shirou and Archers, and I don't want to accidentally use someone who's already taken. (darn you for grabbing Lancah!)
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Is there a list of which characters are already taken? I can already see a bunch of Shirou and Archers, and I don't want to accidentally use someone who's already taken. (darn you for grabbing Lancah!)
Lantz has his OC crew and Seiba taken, Daki is running OC's as well, Elf has Forest, Lancer and Archer Alter IIRC, I'm doing DOOMRIDER (HE DOES COCAAAAAAINE!), Alice took FemMC from F/E along with that Archer and a few OC's, Mike's runnign an OC, Post HF Rider, Shirou, and Sakura, aaaaaand that's all I can think of at the moment.
OH! One dude is running Kamen Rider Shirou and it is awesome, and another guy is running MoS shirou
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Is there a list of which characters are already taken? I can already see a bunch of Shirou and Archers, and I don't want to accidentally use someone who's already taken. (darn you for grabbing Lancah!)
We're allowed multiple versions of the same character, up to three. So far, the only one who is taken three times is Shirou.
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Hm. Okay, so what I'm getting from this is...
1. We get dumped in some magic city and gotta figure out what the fuck is going on.
2. You can take any character from any work of fiction as long as it's not too Sci-Fi, and you can use OCs as well.
3. You can do whatever the hell you want once your character is in the RP, but killing others is a no-no unless they decide to do it themselves.
4. There is no other purpose or rule other than don't be a dick.
Sounds pretty good. Do we post our sheets here or PM them to Elf?
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Check the Cross Effects Forum; there's a thread for it.
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Yeah, that's basically right, except that 2 is slightly wrong. The only limitation I recall is "no aliens". Human characters from Sci-Fi are, I think, considered perfectly acceptable.
As for what to do with character sheets, post them in the Character thread, which is http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.0.html (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.0.html).
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2. You can take any character from any work of fiction as long as it's not too Sci-Fi, and you can use OCs as well.
Mainly no aliens. Like if you wanted to play Ko from "Pyscho-Pass" or the Major from Ghost in the Shell, I'd be fine with that.
And there can be up to 3 multiple versions of one Character. So there are two Lancer slots left. (Because well, you do write a good Lancer.)
And so far, please correct me if I'm wrong, characters are:
Elf
Lancer
Forest
Dark Archer
Alice
Millie
Archer
Haruko
Rin
Finn
Cherry Lover
Rider
Kiyoshi
Sakura (who hasn't appeared yet)
Shirou (who also hasn't appeared yet)
Daiki
Vanessa
Isa
Velken
Shuya (I remembered because Forest kicked him in the balls.)
Lantz
Satoshi
Sakura (OC, not Sakura Sakura)
Saber Alter
Mord
AU Seras Victoria
Mr. Fixit
Mu
Kusanagi
Cursed by Creation
Hat and Clogs from "Bleach"
Magos
DOOMRIDER Who, in my mind, the bastard child of Ghost Rider and Rosxo, the Rock and Roll Clown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sedbd9QEDyw (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sedbd9QEDyw)
Millbunk
Downy Reed
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Is there a list of which characters are already taken? I can already see a bunch of Shirou and Archers, and I don't want to accidentally use someone who's already taken. (darn you for grabbing Lancah!)
Lantz has his OC crew and Seiba taken, Daki is running OC's as well, Elf has Forest, Lancer and Archer Alter IIRC, I'm doing DOOMRIDER (HE DOES COCAAAAAAINE!), Alice took FemMC from F/E along with that Archer and a few OC's, Mike's runnign an OC, Post HF Rider, Shirou, and Sakura, aaaaaand that's all I can think of at the moment.
OH! One dude is running Kamen Rider Shirou and it is awesome, and another guy is running MoS shirou
You forgot a few others there Arch. I have an OC assassin, the main heroes from the wii game Red Steel 2, and The Grey Hulk aka Joe Fixit, Xam has Sephiroth, and Cursed claimed Urahara Kisuke.
And Bloble there is nothing stopping you from using a female version of lancer or one of the two alternate version of the Irish Spearman noble. Or you could put together an OC of yer own.
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Elf, you missed Lantz's OC Taiga, and also Angra Mainyu/Avenger.
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Is this still accepting players?
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Is this still accepting players?
I think we have plenty of open spots Names, Nexus is a city after all and not some small dinky little town
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Is this still accepting players?
I'm assuming yes, since no one's screamed at me to get out yet.
By the way, what's the tone of this RP? I've browsed the posts and I'm not particularly sure.
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No idea, so I'm likely creating a more serious character to go along with my FUN one. Expect a Character sheet in a while.
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I'm assuming yes, since no one's screamed at me to get out yet.
By the way, what's the tone of this RP? I've browsed the posts and I'm not particularly sure.
From what I've seen, the tone is what your character makes it. Cu is having fun and a jolly old time and sounds like it, Rider is unhappy (from what I've skimmed of page 1) and running, Alter is mad and wants to watch the world burn or something and I don't know I skim very lightly.
So basically, do whatever.
I dibs inferno cop. If you pick mecha cop we can be buddy cops, though.
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From what I've seen, the tone is what your character makes it. Cu is having fun and a jolly old time and sounds like it, Rider is unhappy (from what I've skimmed of page 1) and running, Alter is mad and wants to watch the world burn or something and I don't know I skim very lightly.
So basically, do whatever.
I dibs inferno cop. If you pick mecha cop we can be buddy cops, though.
Axe Cop or nothin'.
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Axe Cop or nothin'.
Inferno Cop looks upon your Axe cop, and approves of his similarly zany adventures.
It's happening.
Now I must make a sheet for inferno cop. I really hope Elf's seen IC, or I'm going to come off as a raving lunatic.
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I'm assuming yes, since no one's screamed at me to get out yet.
By the way, what's the tone of this RP? I've browsed the posts and I'm not particularly sure.
From what I've seen, the tone is what your character makes it. Cu is having fun and a jolly old time and sounds like it, Rider is unhappy (from what I've skimmed of page 1) and running, Alter is mad and wants to watch the world burn or something and I don't know I skim very lightly.
So basically, do whatever.
I dibs inferno cop. If you pick mecha cop we can be buddy cops, though.
Rider isn't unhappy in general, she's just been dumped in a rather crap situation initially. Her life in general is reasonably good.
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Rider isn't unhappy in general, she's just been dumped in a rather crap situation initially. Her life in general is reasonably good.
Hush mike, hush! I want to go in this as blind as I can, so I can properly get into character.
Do not tell me of the happenings, even if it is just Rider's mood or life. My character will learn that if he ever does.
Also, sup. Haven't seen you in a while.
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Rider isn't unhappy in general, she's just been dumped in a rather crap situation initially. Her life in general is reasonably good.
Hush mike, hush! I want to go in this as blind as I can, so I can properly get into character.
Do not tell me of the happenings, even if it is just Rider's mood or life. My character will learn that if he ever does.
Well, OK, fair enough.
Also, sup. Haven't seen you in a while.
I'm OK. Not up to much at the moment, mostly trying to get this forum to work....
We should probably avoid filling Elf's thread with random discussions about our lives, though....
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Sheet's up for INFERNO COP, Elf please tell me I can go with this. Pleeeeaaaase. I'll mail you some homemade Nachos if you do.
I'm OK. Not up to much at the moment, mostly trying to get this forum to work....
We should probably avoid filling Elf's thread with random discussions about our lives, though....
Good to hear all's good, though you're right. We shouldn't clutter up.
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Read Elf's first bits before you bring in an illegal character like aliens or guys with super-advanced tech. The theme is Urban Fantasy, emphasise on the Fantasy bit.
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He's not an alien nor does he have super advanced tech. He's a cop with a flaming skull for a head.
And of all he has, he just ever uses the gun more than once. The show he's from is a little... well, you should go to youtube and watch Inferno cop. the episodes are three minutes long, and fairly self-explanatory.
Anyway, I'd keep up the trend of anything except the gun being forgotten after one use, if Elf doesn't think Inferno Cop is too retarded.
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Axe Cop's pretty much exactly like Inferno Cop except he doesn't swear and he's a cop with an axe. He sometimes pulls out gadgets and stuff but they're all secretly magic and he forgets about them after one use, too.
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Well at least law enforcement in Nexus gets a boost
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Axe Cop's pretty much exactly like Inferno Cop except he doesn't swear and he's a cop with an axe. He sometimes pulls out gadgets and stuff but they're all secretly magic and he forgets about them after one use, too.
You know, I love some Axe Cop.
Now someone needs to be Batworthog Man!
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So, any feedback on Lawrence?
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Well, he seems pretty powerful, in that some of his abilities seem basically unstoppable (and also fatal, which is a bit of an issue for a no-kill RP...).
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Well, he seems pretty powerful, in that some of his abilities seem basically unstoppable (and also fatal, which is a bit of an issue for a no-kill RP...).
Well, Geist is possibly the second most fuck off powerful splat in nWoD, and most of their abilities revolve around death and haunting, so he'd be pretty lethal. Curse of the Stigmata is still magic though, so I'd say anyone with a decent magic resistance would be without a doubt able to shrug it off like a snowflake. It's mainly supposed to be aimed at other Sin-Eaters or pure breed humans.
Beyond the Curse, he's only got the Boneyard as an offensive ability.
He's still able to be killed, and he's got a pretty hard limit to how many times he can come back - he's not exactly at a high Synergy rating with his Geist at the moment.
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I was thinking of creating an opening for Lawrence using The Don/Fixit
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Well, he seems pretty powerful, in that some of his abilities seem basically unstoppable (and also fatal, which is a bit of an issue for a no-kill RP...).
Well, Geist is possibly the second most fuck off powerful splat in nWoD, and most of their abilities revolve around death and haunting, so he'd be pretty lethal. Curse of the Stigmata is still magic though, so I'd say anyone with a decent magic resistance would be without a doubt able to shrug it off like a snowflake. It's mainly supposed to be aimed at other Sin-Eaters or pure breed humans.
Beyond the Curse, he's only got the Boneyard as an offensive ability.
He's still able to be killed, and he's got a pretty hard limit to how many times he can come back - he's not exactly at a high Synergy rating with his Geist at the moment.
Well, the main issue is that, unless I'm misunderstanding you, it would work on most of the human characters (Sakura, Shirou, Rin etc.), who we don't want to die. Obviously it's not a problem if he doesn't use it, but if he does then we have an issue.
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Well, he seems pretty powerful, in that some of his abilities seem basically unstoppable (and also fatal, which is a bit of an issue for a no-kill RP...).
Well, Geist is possibly the second most fuck off powerful splat in nWoD, and most of their abilities revolve around death and haunting, so he'd be pretty lethal. Curse of the Stigmata is still magic though, so I'd say anyone with a decent magic resistance would be without a doubt able to shrug it off like a snowflake. It's mainly supposed to be aimed at other Sin-Eaters or pure breed humans.
Beyond the Curse, he's only got the Boneyard as an offensive ability.
He's still able to be killed, and he's got a pretty hard limit to how many times he can come back - he's not exactly at a high Synergy rating with his Geist at the moment.
Well, the main issue is that, unless I'm misunderstanding you, it would work on most of the human characters (Sakura, Shirou, Rin etc.), who we don't want to die. Obviously it's not a problem if he doesn't use it, but if he does then we have an issue.
Well, yeah, but unless you somehow really really really really piss him off that ain't happening. He's saving that curse for some very specific people.
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I was thinking of creating an opening for Lawrence using The Don/Fixit
Go ahead.
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I'm still holding out hope for some of the cast of Buffy, Angel, and Supernatural to join.
Come on, there has to be some Winchester love here.
(I'm actually debating if I should bring Angel in. Because that would be hilarious.)
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I'm still holding out hope for some of the cast of Buffy, Angel, and Supernatural to join.
Come on, there has to be some Winchester love here.
(I'm actually debating if I should bring Angel in. Because that would be hilarious.)
>Winchesters and Lawrence cruising around in the Firebird after monsters.
Do want.
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I was thinking of creating an opening for Lawrence using The Don/Fixit
Go ahead.
I'll need a general description of the gang member he's hunting and the state of mind the guy will be in knowing that Lawrence is on his ass, just for the sake of the scene
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I was thinking of creating an opening for Lawrence using The Don/Fixit
Go ahead.
I'll need a general description of the gang member he's hunting and the state of mind the guy will be in knowing that Lawrence is on his ass, just for the sake of the scene
Considering one of his friends was just shot point blank in the head and the other was found... well, covered in blood and weeping sores before he saw him blow his own head off with a shotgun after saying "He's back. He's back. God forgive me he's back!", he's rather panicked at the moment.
As for description - think your typical inner city gangbanger.
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>Winchesters and Lawrence cruising around in the Firebird after monsters.
Do want.
That, and Dean and Forest bonding because they both like muscle cars, hard rock/heavy metal, and horror movies. Then Dean finds out that she's a vampire and flips his shit.
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I'm still holding out hope for some of the cast of Buffy, Angel, and Supernatural to join.
Come on, there has to be some Winchester love here.
(I'm actually debating if I should bring Angel in. Because that would be hilarious.)
You should! Even up the cap to 7 characters if you have to. :3
And keeping my mouth shut about my posting dilemma this time, as saying specific things about it only seems to delay it further. Though I guess on that front, any suggestions on how to cure repeated cases of writer's block? ^_^" I could use some right now so I can get this damn thing written already.
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>Winchesters and Lawrence cruising around in the Firebird after monsters.
Do want.
That, and Dean and Forest bonding because they both like muscle cars, hard rock/heavy metal, and horror movies. Then Dean finds out that she's a vampire and flips his shit.
Then Dean finds out Lawrence is technically possessed. And also flips his shit, probably along with Forest.
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Oh wow I forget to check the forums for a few days and it explodes in conversation, that's always nice to see maybe soon Downy can continue with his plan.
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I'm still holding out hope for some of the cast of Buffy, Angel, and Supernatural to join.
Come on, there has to be some Winchester love here.
(I'm actually debating if I should bring Angel in. Because that would be hilarious.)
You should! Even up the cap to 7 characters if you have to. :3
And keeping my mouth shut about my posting dilemma this time, as saying specific things about it only seems to delay it further. Though I guess on that front, any suggestions on how to cure repeated cases of writer's block? ^_^" I could use some right now so I can get this damn thing written already.
Try writing something completely different for a bit, then come back with a fresh mindset.
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Thank you for the advice. :) I didn't need to use it this time, but I think it's going to come in handy later should I have this happen again.
And this time I'm posting in chunks so I can get things moving. Rin is accounted for, and through her, Archer and Mille. That frees up a couple people. Now I just need to get Finn and Hakuno's part done so that Elf and Daiki can get moving again.
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Bleh, turned into a double post, but at least it's all done. It's all pretty short, but at least it isn't horrible or anything. But yay, now everyone can post again! :D
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I'm tempted for Doomrider to do tryouts with Axe Cop.
I wonder if Cocaine would give him another superpower.
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I'm tempted for Doomrider to do tryouts with Axe Cop.
I wonder if Cocaine would give him another superpower.
Do it. You're just the kind of guy Axe Cop needs.
But no jabs. You can do all the martial arts shit you want, but if I see one jab you're out. And you better hope your front kick is up to par.
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I'm tempted for Doomrider to do tryouts with Axe Cop.
I wonder if Cocaine would give him another superpower.
Do it. You're just the kind of guy Axe Cop needs.
But no jabs. You can do all the martial arts shit you want, but if I see one jab you're out. And you better hope your front kick is up to par.
He doesn't do jabs. He does COCAIIIIIINE!
Well, once he lands he'll do cocaine, leave, then go find Axecop.
Also, I think I'm having Lawrence pull up to Forest's group, the one heading back to the apartment. That alright with everyone? I sorta foreshadowed it in his introductory post.
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Given the current issue is posting due to character clutter I would think showing up right now would hold things up longer Arch.
side note: since they credited you for the link I'll just say this Arch. In the future do not use unrelated material on this site to stir up trouble on beasts lair. I'm well aware of your attitude towards me. Whatever your opinion you have no right to use what I put up for this game to aid in your flaming or other trouble making.
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Given the current issue is posting due to character clutter I would think showing up right now would hold things up longer Arch.
side note: since they credited you for the link I'll just say this Arch. In the future do not use unrelated material on this site to stir up trouble on beasts lair. I'm well aware of your attitude towards me. Whatever your opinion you have no right to use what I put up for this game to aid in your flaming or other trouble making.
>You have stated multiple times the story has already been typed fully out
>You have also stated multiple times that you do not rewrite your stories.
>Hence, either Satoshi's character sheet is still relevant to the story and not flaming but in fact providing information, or both the above statements are false and you're a liar.
Logic Lantz.
But let's not bring this nastiness and your persecution complex into this shall we? I mean, more then you've already done so.
As for the character limit thing, good point. It's a rather large clusterfuck. Might as well have Lawrence pick up Hat and Clogs then.
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lantz, I told you elsewhere on the forum to please not bring up BL drama in here, especially when it's completely irrelevant to this thread. You could have just sent him a pm about it. Please don't do it again, or next time I'm giving a warning. Understood?
As for the situation with Lawrence, to be honest, I'd like to get moving back to the apartments asap- it's nothing personal at all (I actually thought about having Hakuno spot the car, but I decided to wait and see what the others would do), it's just we've been stuck on that battlefield for too long and I want to move on from it. ^_^"
However, that definitely doesn't stop the other characters from not spotting the car and Lawrence following them out of curiosity or something similar if you want him to still interact with the main group. :) Or some other scenario that gets people from that group interacting with him that I'm too tired and brain dead to think of, I trust you more to think of something right now than I trust myself.
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lantz, I told you elsewhere on the forum to please not bring up BL drama in here, especially when it's completely irrelevant to this thread. You could have just sent him a pm about it. Please don't do it again, or next time I'm giving a warning. Understood?
As for the situation with Lawrence, to be honest, I'd like to get moving back to the apartments asap- it's nothing personal at all (I actually thought about having Hakuno spot the car, but I decided to wait and see what the others would do), it's just we've been stuck on that battlefield for too long and I want to move on from it. ^_^"
However, that definitely doesn't stop the other characters from not spotting the car and Lawrence following them out of curiosity or something similar if you want him to still interact with the main group. :) Or some other scenario that gets people from that group interacting with him that I'm too tired and brain dead to think of, I trust you more to think of something right now than I trust myself.
My plan was actually to split up the group for a while, offer the (obviously) severely injured Isa a ride to wherever you were going. Obviously, Van would follow and likely Hakuno. Maybe Archer or Forest to make sure he isn't a serial killer. Tada! Group gets cut down and in a logical manner for a while, before A) Lawrence goes on his way or B) starts occasionally shadowing the Servants because they're spiritual entities and as such he can tell by looking at them something is off.
On the other hand, Hat and Clogs doesn't have any ties, is a spiritual entity as well, and looks like the type of guy who wouldn't turn down anything that's free. And the two would make an interesting side group.
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I'm tempted for Doomrider to do tryouts with Axe Cop.
I wonder if Cocaine would give him another superpower.
Do it. You're just the kind of guy Axe Cop needs.
But no jabs. You can do all the martial arts shit you want, but if I see one jab you're out. And you better hope your front kick is up to par.
I think Kusagari might end up Trying Out as well. He's got guns, swords, skills, a bad (http://questerslog.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/red_steel_2_wii_artwork_hero1.jpg) ass (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/146/c/8/Red_Steel_2_by_SimpleGFX.png) appear (http://oyster.ignimgs.com/ve3d/images/05/17/51791_RedSteel2-ConceptArt-07_normal.jpg)ance (http://oyster.ignimgs.com/ve3d/images/06/44/64431_orig.jpg) and he is damned hard to kill.
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Given the current issue is posting due to character clutter I would think showing up right now would hold things up longer Arch.
Wait does that include me too? I mean I want to show up but at the same time I don't want to cause no trabble for other people.
Also I now feel like I should mention that this is my first RP.
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Yeah, generally we're trying to avoid more people showing up with the group at this point. We want to get out of there and back to the apartment.
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Given the current issue is posting due to character clutter I would think showing up right now would hold things up longer Arch.
Wait does that include me too? I mean I want to show up but at the same time I don't want to cause no trabble for other people.
Also I now feel like I should mention that this is my first RP.
No worries. Bloble's looking for a partner for a tryout. Inferno Cop and Axe Cop - go clean up this city!
Also, Mord - nice intro. Looks like I've got an objective now. Time to go kill a bitch in a rather horrible way.
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Also, Mord - nice intro. Looks like I've got an objective now. Time to go kill a bitch in a rather horrible way.
Yup and Lawrence gets to meet the Man running the underworld in Nexus City
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No worries. Bloble's looking for a partner for a tryout. Inferno Cop and Axe Cop - go clean up this city!
Yeah, generally we're trying to avoid more people showing up with the group at this point. We want to get out of there and back to the apartment.
Who do I listen to?
THough I suppose I did offer a teamup with Bloble, and it would make me a jerk to leave him hanging. But on the other side, if there's already something big wrapping up with the current players, we can at least wait until they're 'back to the apartment' before we start our CopQuest of justice, so as to not intrude and make them lose feel of the scene.
Damn it, I'm too tired for this shit.
Bloble the decision is yours as the Axe Cop player.
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Go with Bloble. Like I said, we're not looking for more people as part of the main group right now, whereas Bloble is looking for people.
Also, we have other things that we need to deal with. For example, Milbunk is making a big mess in the city. It might be a good idea for you guys to check back to his post on the matter and go deal with that....
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Also, Mord - nice intro. Looks like I've got an objective now. Time to go kill a bitch in a rather horrible way.
Yup and Lawrence gets to meet the Man running the underworld in Nexus City
Well, that's gonna be one hell of an odd conversation.
EDIT:
Also, for reference, the song: Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down Lyrics (HQ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bwfm7-uNS4#)
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My plan was actually to split up the group for a while, offer the (obviously) severely injured Isa a ride to wherever you were going. Obviously, Van would follow and likely Hakuno. Maybe Archer or Forest to make sure he isn't a serial killer. Tada! Group gets cut down and in a logical manner for a while, before A) Lawrence goes on his way or B) starts occasionally shadowing the Servants because they're spiritual entities and as such he can tell by looking at them something is off.
On the other hand, Hat and Clogs doesn't have any ties, is a spiritual entity as well, and looks like the type of guy who wouldn't turn down anything that's free. And the two would make an interesting side group.
Ah, OK- in that case, it's entirely up to you. :)
And feel free to go over and join Ax Cop Names, you won't be messing with anything. :) You don't even have to wait on us. It only makes things tricky when people are interacting with the big uber group, side stuff isn't a biggie at all since we don't actually have (or rather, can't) respond to it. If you want to start your Cop Quest right now, feel absolutely free to do so. :3
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Bloble the decision is yours as the Axe Cop player.
I have decided that tryouts are something you should never skip. Get over here brah.
Besides, from the looks of it these guys are in the middle of some serious drama shit. No need to suddenly have an new character show up to complicate things. We can do that after they've sorted things out. I'm sure at least one of them has done something that deserves a head chopping.
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Go with Bloble. Like I said, we're not looking for more people as part of the main group right now, whereas Bloble is looking for people.
Also, we have other things that we need to deal with. For example, Milbunk is making a big mess in the city. It might be a good idea for you guys to check back to his post on the matter and go deal with that....
Oh, so you meant you didn't really want more people in a certain circle, not for the RP in general.
That makes perfect sense.
Like I said, first RP. Spaghetti Syndrome is diagnosed and in full throttle.
Anyway, posting. BLOBLE IT'S YOUR TURN, HOW WILL THE COP WITH AN AXE REACT?
Holy shit what's this warning telling me people are talking
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Bloble the decision is yours as the Axe Cop player.
I have decided that tryouts are something you should never skip. Get over here brah.
Besides, from the looks of it these guys are in the middle of some serious drama shit. No need to suddenly have an new character show up to complicate things. We can do that after they've sorted things out. I'm sure at least one of them has done something that deserves a head chopping.
Well, Shirou murdered his girlfriend, little sister and a whole bunch of other people. I'm sure mass-murder deserves a head chopping....
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Rider is a monster, so she deserves it as well.
Lawrence sorta deserves it for brutally murdering a bunch of people initially because a voice in his head told him to get even, and after that because they deserved to die.
Also, I just realized that he fits the FBI definition of a serial killer. So there's that as well.
Shuya is literally LAWFUL EVIL so he's a candidate as well. So's Archer Alter I think.
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Yeah, but Rider is a nice monster.
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Make things easy for the cops and list people we shouldn't arrest, then.
Like, who hasn't committed murder in the cast?
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Kiyoshi hasn't :P
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29 character sheets, and the only one who hasn't committed murder is the little girl.
Looks like us cops got our work cut out for us. Then again, IC and AC don't really do standard cop stuff, so you might all be off the hook.
Or killed, because fuck nonlethal force.
Oops wait no killing right.
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You can chop someone's head off without killing them.
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News to me.
brb catching up on 2 years of axe cop that I missed.
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29 character sheets, and the only one who hasn't committed murder is the little girl.
Looks like us cops got our work cut out for us. Then again, IC and AC don't really do standard cop stuff, so you might all be off the hook.
Or killed, because fuck nonlethal force.
Oops wait no killing right.
Little boy, actually. Although, I think Lantz's OCs have probably never killed anyone, depending on how you define "anyone"....
Also, killing is allowed, but only if the person playing the character agrees. So, you'd have to get our permission to kill off our characters.
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The Don could qualify, though the axe would need cut him first and Hulk's are very resistant to that
Kusagari is a Hero
Mu is under the control of Downy Reed
Seras is a Vampire with many souls within her body, you gotta kill her repeatedly to put her down for good
Also, Arch. Keep that Johnny Cash playing for my last post using the Don, it fits the scene perfectly.
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Inferno Cop for best made-up names.
believe it
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The Don could qualify, though the axe would need cut him first and Hulk's are very resistant to that
Kusagari is a Hero
Mu is under the control of Downy Reed
Seras is a Vampire with many souls within her body, you gotta kill her repeatedly to put her down for good
Also, Arch. Keep that Johnny Cash playing for my last post using the Don, it fits the scene perfectly.
It's still playing. He never bothered shutting off the radio.
On the matter of surviving decapitation... Sin-Eaters can go through a woodchipper and out the other side without permanent harm as long as this doesn't fully erode the contract they have with their geist AKA make their synergy zero. Lawrence hasn't utilized that ability yet - rebuilding a destroyed body and reanchoring the soul to it isn't exactly a pleasant feeling or task. But it makes Sin-Eaters bullshittingly hard to kill for good. For that matter they can heal at absurd rates using the power of their geist.
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Oho? Well well, do we have yet another recruit into Nexus's growing police force?
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Oho? Well well, do we have yet another recruit into Nexus's growing police force?
In a sense, Kusagari is the Hero from the Wii Game Red Steel 2. He is from a clan of Gunslinging Samurai, or rather he is the last of an entire clan as another member of their clan killed off all other members of the clan but Kusagari who in turn killed him in the end. So a Gunslinging Samurai who has a strong sense of morals and has a number of skills to bring to bear.
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No prob man, he's in.
Elf, it's your turn! Mind throwing me a bone or something?
A couple of dinosaurs would be fine! Heck, I'd even take a few lizard people with clown make up!
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Dude if you haven't checked out Kusagari's Page in the Character Sheets for what he looks like, try googling Red Steel 2 and all the photos of the guy in the coat and hat.
That is Kusagari.
Edit: I've given The Don at least some Morals so that he isn't completely Irredeemable
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He sounds entirely too serious to be teaming up with axe cop and inferno cop of all people.
Then again, contrast. We need a straight man to our ridiculous nonsense.
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Every Time there is a pair of nuts, you need the sane guy to get them back on track. Even if it means shifting the blame for something to the villains
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IC and AC aren't nutty though, they just... come from a strange part of town, yeah. They just do what's been proven to work where they're from.
They always manage to reach their goal in the end, though! But not Inferno Cop, he got sidetracked by saving humanity. And a million other things. The main plot just kind-of got forgotten.
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This is the Stance Kusagari takes up in the Firing range
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/03/1c99ddb11017e4c994.jpg)
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No prob man, he's in.
Elf, it's your turn! Mind throwing me a bone or something?
A couple of dinosaurs would be fine! Heck, I'd even take a few lizard people with clown make up!
Actually, I'm up for the main group. I've been quite busy the last few days, but I should hopefully be able to get a post done today.
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Seras has finally appeared! Though she's pretty far from the city and she is trying to seem as inconspicuous as possible, though what are the chances that she could be encountered by the others [As in Team Asshole and friends]?
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Seras has finally appeared! Though she's pretty far from the city and she is trying to seem as inconspicuous as possible, though what are the chances that she could be encountered by the others [As in Team Asshole and friends]?
Well, you remember her in series nick name is Police Girl, right?
Hehehe.
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Yes, though I don't plan on having her join Team Cop anytime soon though, considering she can use her masters abilities and her masters living sea of zombies as she does not have the same level restrictions as her master. Enabling her to do something akin to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YODvtc7-qk8) but with someone much more sane at the helm.
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Yes, though I don't plan on having her join Team Cop anytime soon though, considering she can use her masters abilities and her masters living sea of zombies as she does not have the same level restrictions as her master. Enabling her to do something akin to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YODvtc7-qk8) but with someone much more sane at the helm.
She could join Team Undead Abomination with Lawrence.
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Eh Mike, if I tell Kiyoshi not to be a hero, doesn't that mean he'll ignore me and become a hero?
In that case...
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Eh Mike, if I tell Kiyoshi not to be a hero, doesn't that mean he'll ignore me and become a hero?
In that case...
That does seem like the kid's MO.
Luckily Forest has been too busy to sit him down and show him all of Batman: The Animated Series.
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You're up elf, on the subject of team cop, loving it. Bloble thank you for writing in Axe cop's style it makes me feel like I'm reading Axe cop : D
oh and guys just making sure, avoid the castle for awhile, there's an event there that's been planned for a bit, thanks in advance.
also seras, mord you have very intriguing characters haven't seen all of ultimate yet but I watched the OVA of I know her powers.
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Hey, Mord - mind having Mrs. Dracula and Mr. Grim Reaper meet up?
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...Is it me or Elf that's up to go next for the "Team Asshole and Friends" group? If she wants to go ahead of me though if it is my turn though, that's fine. :)
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Seras has finally appeared! Though she's pretty far from the city and she is trying to seem as inconspicuous as possible, though what are the chances that she could be encountered by the others [As in Team Asshole and friends]?
Well, probably not right now, since we're trying to get back to the apartment. Maybe later, though.
Eh Mike, if I tell Kiyoshi not to be a hero, doesn't that mean he'll ignore me and become a hero?
In that case...
Lol, no, that's not what Rider meant. Although I guess it's not impossible Kiyoshi will take it that way. I suspect Rin would explain otherwise, though....
But, yeah, that was possibly poor choice of wording from Rider. However, Kiyoshi wasn't likely to take much notice of her in the first place. Shirou is his father, if he's around Kiyoshi will want to interact with him. Which, most likely, is going to get interesting when they start having practice fights and some of Kiyoshi's magic comes up....
...Is it me or Elf that's up to go next for the "Team Asshole and Friends" group? If she wants to go ahead of me though if it is my turn though, that's fine. :)
It's supposed to be you, but if Elf goes I think we can actually get moving, so I wouldn't really object to her going first. It might make things more difficult for you later, though.
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This definitely looks like an interesting RP. :)
Mordalfus Grea, this is Lord Mist from FF.net. Thanks for letting me know about it!
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This definitely looks like an interesting RP. :)
Create a character and join in on the fun, there is plenty of room for more characters
Mordalfus Grea, this is Lord Mist from FF.net. Thanks for letting me know about it!
Your welcome!
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I took GM privilege and jumped to the Stronghold.
If you want to choose to go there you can, if not, you don't go.
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!! :laugh:
...Now I have a bit of a moral dilemma. ^_^" Should I be polite and wait for everyone else to post, or jump the gun and go ahead and continue?
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!! :laugh:
...Now I have a bit of a moral dilemma. ^_^" Should I be polite and wait for everyone else to post, or jump the gun and go ahead and continue?
JUMP IT LIKE THE BAR!
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Technically if you post or not doesn't effect me since I have to do other crap in the story anyway but just to throw my two sense in I agree with arch, jump it, post and finally wrap this whole waiting to get back business over with.
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!! :laugh:
...Now I have a bit of a moral dilemma. ^_^" Should I be polite and wait for everyone else to post, or jump the gun and go ahead and continue?
Well, if you're not expecting a reply from anyone else to your previous post, then I don't see why not.
We do all need to get back, though.
Technically if you post or not doesn't effect me since I have to do other crap in the story anyway but just to throw my two sense in I agree with arch, jump it, post and finally wrap this whole waiting to get back business over with.
Well, Sakura and Kiyoshi are fine anyway. Rider will hopefully be giving Satoshi a call in the next few posts.
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Well, there are a few people I expect replies from, but... eh. Still, don't wait on me either. If you guys wanna go ahead of me like normal, that's fine too.
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Not the best post but moving forward.
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Erm, OPOI, Rider hasn't left just yet, she's coming back to the apartment first.
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When Lancer says "pledging himself" he doesn't mean it in a romantic way, not like this.
What he's talking about is that he's basically accepted Forest as not quite his ruler, but someone he'll fight for, like Culann.
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Lantz - I don't think any living human can move fast enough to dodge a .45 ACP round. Or anything supersonic. Or magic. That profile needs a LOT of work. And that weakness really isn't a weakness justifying his stats. I mean, seriously A rank Agility, Speed, and B rank strength? That's not even something a magus should have.
Hell, he's naturally faster and stronger than Doomrider, a fucking DAEMON PRINCE. Tone him down man. And give him a damn backstory.
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He's a Demi god, he's supposed to be stronger than humans magi or not so no I'm not changing it.
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Lantz - I don't think any living human can move fast enough to dodge a .45 ACP round. Or anything supersonic. Or magic. That profile needs a LOT of work. And that weakness really isn't a weakness justifying his stats. I mean, seriously A rank Agility, Speed, and B rank strength? That's not even something a magus should have.
Hell, he's naturally faster and stronger than Doomrider, a fucking DAEMON PRINCE. Tone him down man. And give him a damn backstory.
I think someone who is half-magus, half-Lancer could....
Also, he does have a backstory, Lantz just hasn't written it out.
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Connor would technically be a quarter-god then.
And Lancer is going to be perplexed to see his son from another reality.
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He's a Demi god, he's supposed to be stronger than humans magi or not so no I'm not changing it.
Lantz - he has no fucking viable weaknesses. Honesty isn't a weakness.
Lantz - I don't think any living human can move fast enough to dodge a .45 ACP round. Or anything supersonic. Or magic. That profile needs a LOT of work. And that weakness really isn't a weakness justifying his stats. I mean, seriously A rank Agility, Speed, and B rank strength? That's not even something a magus should have.
Hell, he's naturally faster and stronger than Doomrider, a fucking DAEMON PRINCE. Tone him down man. And give him a damn backstory.
I think someone who is half-magus, half-Lancer could....
Also, he does have a backstory, Lantz just hasn't written it out.
That... what? WHAT?!?!?! HOW THE FUCK!?!?! I DON'T THINK SERVANTS CAN FORM BABBY!
And all the other complaints apply. If he physically is able to fuck up Lancer AND Rider at the same time there is a very very big issue with his powerlevel.
I mean, seriously, Lawrence is overpowered in some ways (Hello returning from the dead 4-5 times and absurd regeneration) but he's still as strong as any human, fast as any human, and tough as any human. But he's at the very least powered by a fucking embodiment of violent demise and murder. This guy doesn't have that excuse.
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Involuntary honesty is a weakness. And Arch Hercules is not the bench mark for the stats in this RP. The stats are an estimated range within their classification.
and yes elf I hope so.
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That... what? WHAT?!?!?! HOW THE FUCK!?!?! I DON'T THINK SERVANTS CAN FORM BABBY!
Lantz is already playing three characters that are the children of servants. If it's a problem (which it isn't, since Lantz has an explanation) then I think you're rather too late to raise it....
And all the other complaints apply. If he physically is able to fuck up Lancer AND Rider at the same time there is a very very big issue with his powerlevel.
Where does it say that?
Also, as Lantz says, stats are relative to the average for your race. Otherwise all the humans would be rank E in everything. My Sakura has stats almost as good as Rider, it doesn't mean she's even in the same league as her in terms of fighting ability.
I mean, seriously, Lawrence is overpowered in some ways (Hello returning from the dead 4-5 times and absurd regeneration) but he's still as strong as any human, fast as any human, and tough as any human. But he's at the very least powered by a fucking embodiment of violent demise and murder. This guy doesn't have that excuse.
He has the "excuse" of being the son of a demi-god. I think that probably puts him a level above a Chaos Marine....
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He has the "excuse" of being the son of a demi-god. I think that probably puts him a level above a Chaos Marine....
...Doomrider is not a chaos marine. He's a daemon prince IE one of the most fucking powerful beings of chaos in existence. Admittedly, he's still rather minor, but he still shouldn't go down like a chump to this guy.
And I'm talking stats wise here - he's stronger than rider, and easily able to keep pace with Lancer. That's hard to swallow. Really hard to swallow.
The problem Lantz is that's his ONLY weakness. Otherwise? He's fucking perfect.
Hell, a dude powered by a murder reaper ghost god thing has more weaknesses than your 1/4th god dude. That simply... shouldn't be a thing. When a being that is basically the embodiment of violent death is weaker than some dude with less godly blood than his stats indicate, it's really really really necessary to take a step back and re-evaluate your character.
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Somehow lantz's versions of the Servants have physical bodies.... somehow. I have no idea why or how, but I just know that they do. That explains how Servant babby formed. ...now the actual how the heck they all have physical bodies part, I have no clue, but... eh. I'd rather not hurt my brain over it.
Still, much like Toshi and even "Taiga", Connor's uncomfortably OP. I agree that he may need some toning down, along with some backstory expansion, like Magos said. If you're worried about spoilers, you can use spoiler tags. I don't think anyone would mind.
And Cherry, like Magos pointed out, the problem is that lantz's characters come off as... well, perfect. Or at least, highly and overly idealized. To a very huge extent. To the point where it comes off as uncomfortably OP even in light of characters that are stronger than they supposedly are being present. In other words, I understand where Magos is coming from here.
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Okay so since I'm purposefully not reading much of the IC thread to prevent myself subconsciously screwing up future encounters due to OOC knowledge, would someone mind telling me exactly what happened with lantz and bullet dodging and what the big deal is?
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Check his latest post in the character page.
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OP isn't what they are, no I'm not posting spoilers. And no I'm not changing him. I've done enough as it is in an effort to be considerate.
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OP isn't what they are, no I'm not posting spoilers. And no I'm not changing him. I've done enough as it is in an effort to be considerate.
Lantz, they ARE OP. They're rather damn OP. They are the type of OP that I as a GM if you brought them to the table, rip them apart, let the confetti fall in the air, and then force you to make another character in front of me so I could make sure you didn't bring another sheet like that in front of me again. Oh, and then I'd burn the confetti afterwords.
No seriously. I would actually do this. I don't tolerate that sort of bullshit when I've got some guys sitting down in front of me over a table.
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Just stop arch, it doesn't matter what you think, I'm not changing it.
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Again, I can see where Magos is coming from here, though it's difficult to properly explain without risking upsetting lantz, so I'm relenting for now. Though as GM, it's Elf's call. Whether a sheet is serviceable or not is her decision in the end.
As for the spoiler thing, I honestly think it may be a good idea to post the spoilery stuff in spoiler tags for the purpose of expanding on what's going on, especially since it's separate from your fic stuff. I posted some Fate Extra and CCC spoilers with a warning in Hakuno's sheet, if I recall, for instance (or at least, I think I did. It's hard to explain her backstory without spoiling a few things). It'd possibly help us see them as less OP at least.
And as for the whole "what's going on here?" summary, lantz's sheets seem OP to some of us, but not OP to lantz himself. Magos is explaining (quite bluntly) about how he thinks the sheets are OP, and lantz is replying by saying he doesn't think they are.
My ultimate response is, while I think they're somewhat OP myself, it's ultimately Elf's decision about what's acceptable.
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Again, I can see where Magos is coming from here, though it's difficult to properly explain without risking upsetting lantz, so I'm relenting for now.
Don't relent. He's an adult, he can take an explanation. He's been babied enough.
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No Alice, sorry but I won't, I messaged you with my reasons to keep this civil in this thread.
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Just stop arch, it doesn't matter what you think, I'm not changing it.
Just because it doesn't matter doesn't mean it shouldn't be stated.
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That's true. However, given the circumstances, it's probably best that this ends here.
For now, let's put our trust in Elf as our GM and allow her to settle any issues.
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Alright elf, can you give a yay or nay when you see this? I want to post with Connor soon and not be forced to hold game up or have him wandering aimlessly. The issue in the alley did that to Saber and I'd rather not repeat that
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Hmm, aren't Isa and Nessa a little young for Shirou...?
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Of course they are. It's only teenage girls talk, there's nothing behind it. Nessa is just bothering her sister for fun.
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He's close to Archer if I understood it right so yeah they kinda are. Then again Saber is 52 so I dunno
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On the subject of Connor, I'll allow it.
However, this warning goes to everyone:
If I even get the slightest hint of godmoding, I will GM Spank.
Do I make myself clear?
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On the subject of Connor, I'll allow it.
However, this warning goes to everyone:
If I even get the slightest hint of godmoding, I will GM Spank.
Do I make myself clear?
As Crystal Mama Elf.
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Of course they are. It's only teenage girls talk, there's nothing behind it. Nessa is just bothering her sister for fun.
That was aimed more at OPOI than you, really. He seemed to be implying that Shirou had some interest in her.
He's close to Archer if I understood it right so yeah they kinda are. Then again Saber is 52 so I dunno
Well, they're 14. That's pretty much too young for anyone, aside from another 14-year-old. Even FSN Shirou would be too old for them.
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Actually Mike, F/SN Shirou wouldn't be too old for them, being 16/17. Not that large an age gap.
Also, Lantz, Saber was like, 26 or so when she died. Not 52.
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Actually Mike, F/SN Shirou wouldn't be too old for them, being 16/17. Not that large an age gap.
I think that is too large a gap given their ages, actually. I think a 14-year-old is too young to have a relationship with anyone more than a year or so older, it's just too easy for them to get manipulated.
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The books Nasu used as a basis for the character both record King Arthur as 52 Arch. If Nasu wants to ignore all sense of time and be massively wrong by thinking that all that the king did was accomplished in 13 odd years he's perfectly welcome to do so. You are also welcome to follow such logic no matter how backwards I find it to be. I on the other hand with follow the myths in a more stable and respectful manner then simply throwing numbers out senseless as nasu seems to have done.
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Cry some more lantz. There's plenty of kings that have accomplished an absurd amount of shit within ten years. And it's the NASUVERSE. You have to abide by his interpretation of the character.
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Sorry when the myth conflicts with his doings I always go with the myth.
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Sorry when the myth conflicts with his doings I always go with the myth.
It's fine, lantz. As long as you acknowledge that you're using an AU version of a canon character, no one's going to dispute how old Altria is.
And Mike, teenage girls will be teenage girls. And teenage girls will discuss hot dudes no matter how old they are. You don't get creeped out by 14 year olds fawning over Johnny Depp or Chris Hemsworth, do you?
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Nasu contradicts his canon a lot, I've given up on being completely accurate. Nasu's only rule that I follow all the time is the one about age =power because he's never gone back on it.
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And Mike, teenage girls will be teenage girls. And teenage girls will discuss hot dudes no matter how old they are. You don't get creeped out by 14 year olds fawning over Johnny Depp or Chris Hemsworth, do you?
No, of course not. Like I said, I was more bothered by the idea that Shirou might be reciprocating it....
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And Mike, teenage girls will be teenage girls. And teenage girls will discuss hot dudes no matter how old they are. You don't get creeped out by 14 year olds fawning over Johnny Depp or Chris Hemsworth, do you?
No, of course not. Like I said, I was more bothered by the idea that Shirou might be reciprocating it....
Mike - this is a Shirou so emotionally stunted and crippled I doubt he is even capable of reciprocating love, considering what happened to the last people he loved.
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Well, yeah, obviously, but "love" and "sexual attraction" aren't the same thing....
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Well, yeah, obviously, but "love" and "sexual attraction" aren't the same thing....
True but I'm guessing this shirou isn't an ephebophile or whatever the technical term is.
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Lantz? Where the hell is Connor headed so I can tell whether or not he's gonna get a .45 pulled on him within the next five seconds?
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Nowhere near your characters Arch
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Hmm, aren't Isa and Nessa a little young for Shirou...?
Well yeah. He's red-faced cause he's a bit embarrassed not cause of attraction...
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Lantz? Where the hell is Connor headed so I can tell whether or not he's gonna get a .45 pulled on him within the next five seconds?
Why would you be attacking him? He's not done anything to your character....
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Lantz? Where the hell is Connor headed so I can tell whether or not he's gonna get a .45 pulled on him within the next five seconds?
Why would you be attacking him? He's not done anything to your character....
I wouldn't be attacking him. Lawrence IC just did something that basically broadcast a "HERE I AM, FUCK ME UP" to whatever was inside the building sensitive to magic. So if he was headed his way, Lawrence would assume he was one of them and draw the pistol to buy himself some time to get to his car and get the fuck out of there - or to a bigger gun.
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I feel a little like having a serious character to counterbalance the INFER GLAS, POLIZEI VON DER HOLLE.
Any plots have a little space for someone to join? Like Lawrence's? I haven't read most of the IC posts, to truly become my character, so I don't really know what's up citywide.
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Lawrence has two sorta going on right now, the 'Oh fuck I just met PC's' and the 'Police the Twilight' going on. So yeah, he's perfectly up for anyone willing to join up, or willing to join another plot.
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man, what a guy. must be hard, having an immortal soul of murder in your head (skimming, this might be wrong)
he sounds like he needs a waifu
what about an angry ronin from etrian odyssey? She'll need some new clothes, but apart from that she'll fit in just fine.
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man, what a guy. must be hard, having an immortal soul of murder in your head (skimming, this might be wrong)
he sounds like he needs a waifu
what about an angry ronin from etrian odyssey? She'll need some new clothes, but apart from that she'll fit in just fine.
That's basically what a Geist is - and the Torn are usually some of the nastiest because they're born directly from violence. Pick up or download a copy of Geist: The Sin-Eaters sometime. It's rather interesting to read, as is most White Wolf stuff. Except Changing Breeds. Fuck Changing Breeds.
Go right ahead, have no idea what Etrian Odyssey is but if that's what you want to do, go right the fuck ahead.
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Go right ahead, have no idea what Etrian Odyssey is but if that's what you want to do, go right the fuck ahead.
It speaks to how casual I've become that I think you're mad at me because of that swear word.
Anyway Etrian Odyssey is an old-fashion first-person dungeon crawler for the DS. It's notorious for its difficulty, and the amount of anger and swearing a person can get out of one game. There are five in all. That's a lot of anger and swearing.
And the ronin is easily defined with "Tons of Damage, if it makes it past first turn".
Anyway making sheet now.
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I am finally getting one of the characters I had on hold ready to be posted and for those of you that know of the Bleach universe, she is a Vasto Lorde level Arrancar. She is an outdated spirit with little to no knowledge of modern society.
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Wow so many characters, if they all gang up on Downy I'll have to bring in his trump, the generals of ruin.
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Not to worry Milbunk, Imiganai is a neutral character and has no interest in being a hero. Though it might be a good idea to bring in a bit of back up, maybe like a disciple of Downy's or something like that
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Not to worry Milbunk, Imiganai is a neutral character and has no interest in being a hero. Though it might be a good idea to bring in a bit of back up, maybe like a disciple of Downy's or something like that
Would you be open to... criticism in regards to your Imiganai sheet? There are a few things I'd like to point out that may need a second look.
And I know, the sheet's a sheet and how you play the character is what's important, but still.
Oh yeah, Ran the Ronin sheet is up, Etrian Odyssey represent.
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Methink Ran and Imiganai may just be able to get along or probably be good sparring partners, Imiganai is a skilled swordswoman outside of her arrancar & Hollow abilities and could probably give Ran a good match
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Good match? She'd probably destroy Ran unless she was sleeping. She's got some crazy stats there(Bleach).
But yeah, sure. If Imiganai can handle Ran being the supermad person, they should totally hang out. Grab a cup of coffee, talk about fighting, fight some vampires and werewolves together as bonding, you know, girl stuff.
So yeah, on the Imiganai sheet itself, I really only have four things that raise questions.
#1: Where and what is her mask? Or half-mask, or whatever the arrancar call their not-masks. I didn't see it come up in the sheet itself.
#2: How does she have a second resurreccion? I thought that Ulqiorra was the only one who made it happen.
#3: I remember them saying a higher ranked hollow, past a menos grande, is a completely new entity when it comes to its mind and whatnot(The grimmjow scene says this, I think). How is it that Imiganai can remember being a human?
#4:Why the mystic face thing? It comes off as a little... well, a little much. She can be really hot, sure, but making EVERYONE have the hots for her on sight is, as aforementioned, a little much.
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Bleach is pretty powerful yes. And now Lawrence is in full paranoid mode. Three absurdly powerful ghosts/spirits in the city. The local Krewes must be shitting themselves.
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Bleach is pretty powerful yes. And now Lawrence is in full paranoid mode. Three absurdly powerful ghosts/spirits in the city. The local Krewes must be shitting themselves.
Magos
Character made, where meet you, how
I refuse to inform myself through the IC thread, I must be as blind as possible to immerse myself in character
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Bleach is pretty powerful yes. And now Lawrence is in full paranoid mode. Three absurdly powerful ghosts/spirits in the city. The local Krewes must be shitting themselves.
Magos
Character made, where meet you, how
I refuse to inform myself through the IC thread, I must be as blind as possible to immerse myself in character
There's a pawnshop with a skull with a key on its forehead spraypainted on it's alleyside wall. The owner is an old man, also a Sin-Eater. I'm heading back that way to get word back to the Twilight Network that there's some serious shit going down.
Enjoy.
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what the hell is going on I don't even
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what the hell is going on I don't even
Shit's getting real and I'm nearly as lost as you.
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what the hell is going on I don't even
Shit's getting real and I'm nearly as lost as you.
Anyway since DOOMRIDER is handling transportation to wherever the hell we're going (either your angsty ghost guy or that OP arrancar chick), could you carry 4 dudes on that bike of yours?
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If you're willing to ride on his lap, maybe. Otherwise, I think Inferno Cop can go race car and you and Mord's character can ride in him while Doomrider does air cover. I think we should head for the Super Ghost. FOR JUSTICE AND COCAINE!
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Inferno Cop can't do that anymore, he's had an operation.
Or maybe he can?
They never really explained what the operation did.
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Inferno Cop can't do that anymore, he's had an operation.
Or maybe he can?
They never really explained what the operation did.
Either way, let's get that Pawn Shop thing going.
I think the operation was for the Time Machine.
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Either way, let's get that Pawn Shop thing going.
Lawrence, meet your new, angry samurai waifu
She's there at the counter, waiting impatiently for someone who can explain stuff and maybe point her at some monsters to kill
And ask her name, putting her name in first person is hard when she doesn't encounter anyone talky during her introductory post
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Daki, you just drew a sword in a shop full of guns with an owner in the back who has highly illegal weaponry within arms reach.
Seriously, that's not a smart thing to do.
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That's not the kind of character who thinks that deep. He only learns through the pain.
I never intended him to live that long anyway.(Yes, I'm okay with my characters dying, as long as it makes sense)
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Magos it's not an overcoat that Ran picked up, it's an army surplus coat.
It's just pretty bulky.
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Daki, you just drew a sword in a shop full of guns with an owner in the back who has highly illegal weaponry within arms reach.
Seriously, that's not a smart thing to do.
Yeah, Shuya never came across as the particularly intellectual type....
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He seems like a cool enough dude though, to make up for it. He's being nice to Ran and explaining when he could have just been a douchebag and shrugged her off to grill lawrence some more.
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Don't worry guys, Daiki will deliver.
He's french. Ils sont bien connu pour toujours livrer à temps.
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Posting in parts again- hopefully I should have Finn and Archer's response to Ruu done soon too. :)
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Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEzbFxEbB8#)
The song.
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Bloble, Mord, Magos, get your shit together! Daiki has just segued us perfectly into doing a cop-like thing!
And maybe being relevant!
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Bloble, Mord, Magos, get your shit together! Daiki has just segued us perfectly into doing a cop-like thing!
And maybe being relevant!
Guess I'm pulling out the Deus Ex Cop Car Machina
In all seriousness though, where should he head? There's the OP Arrancar chick that showed up and sent out a pulse, and then there's some dude who speaks to the dead who accidentally sent out a pulse and proceeded to team up with a bunch of random people.
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(1)Follow the dude, get to stronghold, arrest everything/get plot or arrest nothing because OP peeps everywhere/wait for next plot on the sidewalk
(2)Follow the Arrancar lady, try and fail to arrest her(she's an arrancar, duh), wait for next plot
(3)Keep hoping that Elf makes a GM post involving Dinosaurs
The options are yours, boss.
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(1)Follow the dude, get to stronghold, arrest everything/get plot or arrest nothing because OP peeps everywhere/wait for next plot on the sidewalk
(2)Follow the Arrancar lady, try and fail to arrest her(she's an arrancar, duh), wait for next plot
(3)Keep hoping that Elf makes a GM post involving Dinosaurs
The options are yours, boss.
Number 2.
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4.
ENGAGE IN CAR CHASE WITH LOTS OF SHOOTING
GO ALL ACROSS THE CITY
DRAG GHOST CHICK INTO IT BY POWER OF PLOT CONTRIVANCES
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WOAH WOAH WOAH NACHOS. CHILL MAN.
RUN THIS SHIT BY US FIRST ALRIGHT?
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Okay sorry man
I don't know, the cops were just there and doing jack shit all and Daiki said that thing
It just came over me
What do now?
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(3)Keep hoping that Elf makes a GM post involving Dinosaurs
Actually, it's quite OK to introduce your own NPCs and enemies to fight. You don't need to wait for Elf to do it (although I guess you probably shouldn't do anything really disruptive to everyone else without checking it first). Whilst Elf is the GM here, she's not really playing as a D&D-like GM. Her GM role is basically just to sort out disputes and smack down anyone who does anything unreasonable, rather than to actually make things happen for us.
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Then maybe we should get sidetracked by dinosaurs and forget this mess I've caused
which was totally Daiki's fault because of that one line
And being ADD about everything totally fits the cops! Except maybe Gun Cop, or whatever his name was. but yeah.
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WOAH WOAH WOAH NACHOS. CHILL MAN.
RUN THIS SHIT BY US FIRST ALRIGHT?
sorry bro
but you said you wanted stuff to happen
should I delete the post?
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same really
That "what do" was an overall question, not a story question
Man my first RP and I fuck everything up this early
I'm going to run everything relating to other characters by you guys first from now on I swear
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It's more than fine- trust me, I've f-ed up a few times myself. ^_^" I don't think you really did anything too bad anyway, so I wouldn't feel too bad about it. :) Besides, it's your first time RPing.
And hmm, OPOI, Archer had already volunteered to work on the kitchen. If they were working on it together, they probably would have snapped at each other about it sometime before. ...Sorry to bring it up. ^_^"
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Well that was the most anticlimactic chase scene ever.
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Well that was the most anticlimactic chase scene ever.
The Industrial Key is so useful in that regard.
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Now team cop has lost their transportation, and so their only option is to engage in a bird shooting contest.
Or go off and try to catch an arrancar, a quest doomed to failure.
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Not if I can help it! Grappling Hook Time!
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Annd posted finally. :) Kinda brief and as usual probably not that fantastic, but eh, it gets the job done.
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Looks like Rin and Archer Alter are the first to get it on
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Indeed~ They need some cheering up after the loss of their respective partners. :) ....Using their bodies works quite well in this case~ :3
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Well basically true Arch although technically Rider might be first it'll just take awhile to produce the scene.
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Well basically true Arch although technically Rider might be first it'll just take awhile to produce the scene.
Nah, we still have to have a fight yet, whereas Rin and Archer are basically ready to go now. Even if getting there and fighting only takes a few posts, it's certainly going to take longer in game-time than Rin and Archer getting to fucking will....
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Damn you're right, well ok I'll just have to shoot for longest scene then. These award shows are tough XD
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>This room will be covered in my blood.
I just want to say -
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN IF THAT TRICK WAS PULLED ON LAWRENCE AHAHAHAHA.
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Achievement Unlocked: Popping Rin's Cherry!
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First Sex Scene Get! :D
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One ends, another begins.
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Where?
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I'm assuming he means ours....
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That would be the obvious answer.
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Well I assumed as much but just wanted to check in case I missed something.
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Where?
Lol, very Shonen hero of you
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Sorry about not having posted in a while, I've been busy with things.
And oh hey, sex was had. How maidenly I felt, to cover my face when I saw such things were happening.
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Nah, it's more than fine- IRL stuff comes first. :)
And speaking of said sex scene, should we edit in a disclaimer in for that section saying, "Thar be sexytimes here!"?
And hopefully post incoming soon. Just was a little under the weather today.
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Perhaps OPOI but if so that certainly fits me.
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>Murder was a normal part of life back then
Actually? No. Blood feuds and shit? Yes. But murder? If you were a murderer you could pretty much expect to be killed by vengful family members or if you were REALLY unlucky the local chief.
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Well, it depends how you define "murder". In the sense that Kiyoshi was using it, yes, it definitely was.
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More like "Death" was a normal part of life back then. However killing someone in battle was different than an actual murder.
Like Magos said, if someone did murder someone like that out of combat? They gonna get all kinds of hell rained down on their ass.
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Yeah, but Kiyoshi doesn't really see much of a distinction. Killing someone in self-defence, to defend others or because they're evil is fine, but killing someone just because you were ordered to is murder, as far as he is concerned.
So, yeah, you're right in a legal sense, because killing in war wouldn't be called murder now or then, but in the context of the conversation what Connor said was entirely reasonable.
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Elf, just a heads up - if Forest ever DOES read Law's mind - expect a rather crazy three way conversation, because the Redheaded Driver would LOVE to be able to talk to someone else for a change.
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Elf, just a heads up - if Forest ever DOES read Law's mind - expect a rather crazy three way conversation, because the Redheaded Driver would LOVE to be able to talk to someone else for a change.
That could actually be a lot of fun honestly. A three way conversation. Until the Redheaded Driver suggests killing her.
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Elf, just a heads up - if Forest ever DOES read Law's mind - expect a rather crazy three way conversation, because the Redheaded Driver would LOVE to be able to talk to someone else for a change.
That could actually be a lot of fun honestly. A three way conversation. Until the Redheaded Driver suggests killing her.
He probably would be more interested in what Forest is. I mean, she's a lot like Lawrence and him - dead, but not dead. Though the source of her animation and 'life' is far different. He'd probably be wondering why she doesn't have a Geist. Same with Lawrence - she's not a Sin-Eater but she's so similar.
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Wouldn't Archer and Rider be similar? And probably Ruu, for that matter.
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Wouldn't Archer and Rider be similar? And probably Ruu, for that matter.
Archer and Rider are... they're like Lancer. A spiritual entity - that's easy enough to understand. They're like a Geist or a more powerful ghost to Lawrence. They aren't much more than that.
Ruu on the other hand well, he's an artificial existence. Not unknown to Sin-Eaters. Though usually the ones they encounter send out an aura of wrongness.
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Remember, my Lancer is a real live Demi-God now. He's no longer a Servant.
He's as alive as Rin and the others are.
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Remember, my Lancer is a real live Demi-God now. He's no longer a Servant.
He's as alive as Rin and the others are.
Daaang. Then scratch that, though Lawrence can likely sense the divinity.
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Daaang. Then scratch that, though Lawrence can likely sense the divinity.
Yeah, right now, Lancer pretty damned powerful.
Knowing Forest, she might start scolding the Redheaded Driver for telling Lawrence to kill people.
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Daaang. Then scratch that, though Lawrence can likely sense the divinity.
Yeah, right now, Lancer pretty damned powerful.
Knowing Forest, she might start scolding the Redheaded Driver for telling Lawrence to kill people.
>Telling an embodiment of violent demise not to endorse murder
That's a tall order. Geists are odd, even for spirits. Most spirits are mindless, no core of humanity. They just ARE. Geists are like that, but they've got this source of humanity in them that's their core. They were human once. Once. Now they're like the other spirits but they remember, they know, they are. Here's how the book explains it:
What is a geist, exactly? Where do they come from, and how do they become something more than a mere ghost? Born of dead men, reshaped in the crucible of the Underworld, and given new flesh by the promise of the Bound, they are the hungry, lustful dead, given over to urges and desires inscrutable to mortal men and women. More than just ghosts, they are “small gods” of death, each one embodying an archetypal force of nature as well as the soul of a dead man. The truth is, even Sin-Eaters aren’t entirely sure how geists are created, and the geists themselves don’t seem particularly willing (or able) to explain in greater detail.
All ghosts are bound by their passions and inability to let go of the mortal world, but geists are even more so: unwilling to slip into the Underworld forever, they find secret paths to claw their way out of the lightless realms below and find the land of the living once again. As near as the Bound can piece together, geists have found a way to break the laws of death that send ghosts screaming to the Underworld when their last anchor is destroyed. Through processes not wholly understood, a geist manages to replace its missing anchors with something else: something archetypal. They become as much a symbol as a specific individual, an embodiment of an aspect of death itself. Some style themselves gods, others liken themselves to the ghede of Vodoun religion: ghosts who have taken up iconic roles within the pantheon of the loa. Sin-Eaters often use this iconography as a kind of title: a geist that ties itself to the concept of revenge from beyond the grave might be called a “geist of vengeance,” while one that takes on the mantle of a plague god is called a Tlazoteotl geist, after the Aztec goddess of filth and disease. In any case, the geist becomes something more than merely the shade of a man — and yet, in some ways, also less
So basically - Geists ARE death. Or at least a fragment of it. In the Redheaded Driver's case, of violent murder/shootings.
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More clarification -
It might seem staggeringly obvious to state that geists aren’t human, but it bears repeating: geists are not human. Even their memories of humanity are blurred, distorted, and fractured by the archetypal mantle they assume. A geist of fire is more than just a ghost that can manifest fire-related powers; on some level at least, it is fire. It doesn’t want to burn, it needs to burn, because burning is what fire does. More so than ordinary ghosts, geists cannot be reasoned with, cannot be bargained with or talked down. They do the things they do because they have no choice in the matter.
Does this make geists monsters? Put bluntly, yes. At least, most of them. Geists, left unchecked, are usually the sorts of specters that end up as the antagonists in ghost stories. They’re the drowned children forever seeking playmates down at the old swimming hole. They’re the hook-handed killers who appear every ten years to stalk and slash and kill until their bloodlust is sated. They’re the revenants whose killers went unpunished, taking out their rage on the family that moved into their new home. And yet, if geists were purely alien beings, driven entirely by their archetypal natures, it would be easy to write them off as mere demons, monstrosities inimical to human life that should be destroyed at the first opportunity. That’s not an entirely accurate portrayal, though; geists were human at one point, and at least a small part of them remains so. That small part of a geist’s psyche, symbolized by its keystone, is what allows the symbiotic bond between geist and host to be what it is, rather than a simple case of possession. While that human aspect might be largely buried beneath the visage of a wrathful death god, it is there, and it surfaces from time to time. The Sin-Eater sees a pretty girl at a bar and feels his geist yearn to feel a lover’s soft embrace. Rum burns the throat as it goes down, and the geist relishes the ability to taste it for the first time since it died. Some Sin-Eaters believe they can bring out more of their geist’s human side by learning about who it was in life; by connecting with their geist’s mortal identity, they remind the geist of who it was, and help it to balance its nature and perhaps find peace.
Geists are not necessarily “evil” in any philosophical or cosmological sense of the word (although for every innocent victim driven mad by an unjust death there’s certainly one nasty son of a bitch too mean for hell to hold): “elemental” might be a better term for them, or perhaps “amoral.” Unlike ghosts, who retain some vestige of their human mores in the form of a Morality score, geists have no such empathy. They are motivated purely by their own natures, both the archetypal mantle they wear and the remnant of the human it once was. A geist of car crashes doesn’t cause freeway pile-ups because it enjoys seeing humans suffer, it does so because it is the unliving embodiment of car crashes, and causing accidents is simply what it must do, just as the wolf must hunt the rabbit or the salmon must swim upstream. The vengeful geist visits torment and terror on its killers and their families not because it is a sadistic monster, but because vengeance is what it is, and that vengeance is directed by human memories of its murderers.
I'd love to run a Geist campaign sometime but so few people want to play it despite it fluff wise being Ghostbusters meets the Sixth Sense and with a healthy dose of the Exorcist thrown in.
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Have you thought about trying to start a campaign here on the forum? Might be a good way to get an interest check at least. :)
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Good match? She'd probably destroy Ran unless she was sleeping. She's got some crazy stats there(Bleach).
But yeah, sure. If Imiganai can handle Ran being the supermad person, they should totally hang out. Grab a cup of coffee, talk about fighting, fight some vampires and werewolves together as bonding, you know, girl stuff.
So yeah, on the Imiganai sheet itself, I really only have four things that raise questions.
#1: Where and what is her mask? Or half-mask, or whatever the arrancar call their not-masks. I didn't see it come up in the sheet itself.
#2: How does she have a second resurreccion? I thought that Ulqiorra was the only one who made it happen.
#3: I remember them saying a higher ranked hollow, past a menos grande, is a completely new entity when it comes to its mind and whatnot(The grimmjow scene says this, I think). How is it that Imiganai can remember being a human?
#4:Why the mystic face thing? It comes off as a little... well, a little much. She can be really hot, sure, but making EVERYONE have the hots for her on sight is, as aforementioned, a little much.
Aaaand I'm back. My excuse? GTA V.
1) Her mask fragment are located on the back her neck, hidden by her long hair and generally out of sight. Her first resurrection manifests as a Samurai's Mask, though with a cloth with Japanese seal markings covering her eyes. Her final resurrection takes the form of a half Oni Mask with the same cloth covering her eyes.
2) I believe that a second resurrection is just something that only the most powerful of the Arrancar are capable of and that Ulqiorra hid his full potential, allowing himself to be ranked as Espada 4 rather than Espada 1.
3) It is my belief that if a soul's will is strong enough, it can remain in control or take back control just prior to achieving Vasto Lorde. As for her memories, she is basically like all those souls that remember their past lives in the soul society and can recall their lives among the living.
4) I think I'll be removing that, as I agree it is a little much and I have already forgotten why I did it.
I need to get either The Don/Joe, Kusagari, or Seras to do something. Or if I can work something out with Milbunk, get Mu back in action (He may be my character but he is enthralled to Milbunk's character, Downy Reed's will and he'd need a set of orders before heading out of his own)
If possible, this may be a good time for The Don/Joe to meet Lantz's OC and arrange something
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Have you thought about trying to start a campaign here on the forum? Might be a good way to get an interest check at least. :)
Play by post is a nightmare for games like Geist. I prefer to run them in person or over IRC or another chat system - Roll 20 is relatively useful for this as it has a built in dice bot and (Useless but still there) mapbuilder along with a chat.
I'm taking it you're interested?
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One thing I sorta realized as of late. Seras and Lawrence encountering each other would be a tense situation, a Vampiress whom stores the souls of others within her own. A Vampiress with enough souls inside of her own that she manifests her mindscape as a London-like City just to keep her sanity in order, meeting a being like Lawrence and Lawrence being what he is meeting the "daughter" of Dracula could be disastrous.
Though I'd imagine him seeing mainly her Sire's souls that she inherited before her own souls, meaning Lawrence would probably see something akin to what Alucard did upon releasing Level 0 upon London in the Tenth Hellsing OVA but non-physical and only Lawrence would see it.
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Play by post is a nightmare for games like Geist. I prefer to run them in person or over IRC or another chat system - Roll 20 is relatively useful for this as it has a built in dice bot and (Useless but still there) mapbuilder along with a chat.
I'm taking it you're interested?
Ahh, OK- we could probably either set up Roll 20 for that then or a dedicated IRC chat if a campaign gets going. And the concepts certainly seem interesting, so I think it's worth a shot. :) Plus more stuff happening around here is always a plus.
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Satoshi is busy tutoring, yeah that's it...
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Satoshi is busy tutoring, yeah that's it...
...What?
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Satoshi is busy tutoring, yeah that's it...
...What?
You'll see....
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2spooky4me
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2spooky4me
Geist is a lot like that. It's basically a Ghost Story game. Except you're the ones stopping the story from coming to a bloody end.
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I'd be interested in a Geist roleplay despite knowing next to nothing about it.
Oh, and Mord, your arrancar chick has a pissed off cop with an axe after her.
And Cops of this RP! Post already! I'm not running a one man show here!
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I gut ur beck bro
As for a Geist RP, sounds p coo, would totes play one. As long as my character would yell CREEPY GHOST POWERS ACTIVATE every now and then.
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I'd be interested in a Geist roleplay despite knowing next to nothing about it.
Oh, and Mord, your arrancar chick has a pissed off cop with an axe after her.
And Cops of this RP! Post already! I'm not running a one man show here!
Imiganai is not amused, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jgX6EeUf4U) would be the theme to play in her current mood during her interaction with Team Cop
Though this would be a great time for Urahara to intervene if possible, I mean a trio of cops taking on a Vasto Lorde? They would need the help of the Taicho-turned-Candy-Shop-Owner in case things got dangerous, though chances are that AxeCop would demand to see Urahara's Candy Selling License and when he admits not having one than AxeCop tries to arrest Urahara. I can so see that happening
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Don't worry Mord. We're joke character. We've got a handle on it.
Guys, that's your cue! Go with your gut! And spleen! Not the sphincter, you don't know where that guy's been!
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AxeCop is freaking love.
Man, part of me wants to go ahead and create my character sheet for Angel and then drop him in with that group. It would be utterly priceless.
Not to mention, he can be dubbed, "Vampire Cop" and many Forever Knight jokes would be had.
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AxeCop is freaking love.
Man, part of me wants to go ahead and create my character sheet for Angel and then drop him in with that group. It would be utterly priceless.
Not to mention, he can be dubbed, "Vampire Cop" and many Forever Knight jokes would be had.
Throw in the factor that Seras Victoria, a former British Police officer aka a British Cop turned Vampire is still running around. Seras would probably end up in the police force under the alias of Cop Girl (a play on her old nickname)
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Throw in the factor that Seras Victoria, a former British Police officer aka a British Cop turned Vampire is still running around. Seras would probably end up in the police force under the alias of Cop Girl (a play on her old nickname)
NO GIRLS ALLOWED
(but Axe Cop might make an exception for Cop Girl's 'giant cannons', if you know what I mean)
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Throw in the factor that Seras Victoria, a former British Police officer aka a British Cop turned Vampire is still running around. Seras would probably end up in the police force under the alias of Cop Girl (a play on her old nickname)
NO GIRLS ALLOWED
(but Axe Cop might make an exception for Cop Girl's 'giant cannons', if you know what I mean)
Either your talking about her large chest size or the Harkonnen II
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Either your talking about her large chest size or the Harkonnen II
Yes.
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Either your talking about her large chest size or the Harkonnen II
Yes.
Smartass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Xp7gObSM0)
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Lantz, I gotta ask, how did Sakura somehow summon a van?
Also, anyone hear from OPOI of late?
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Lantz, I gotta ask, how did Sakura somehow summon a van?
Also, anyone hear from OPOI of late?
Projected it which... doesn't make any sense. How the fuck can she perform structural analysis to the point of being able to project so many different polymers, hydrocarbons, metal alloys, acidic solutions, and other compounds? Why is she still alive after doing something that for all intents and purposes should have killed her? Why is every character lantz makes so fucking perfect at whatever they do?
Nope.
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I gotta call foul on the van's projection as well. Even Archer can't do that, so "Sakura," who should be for all intents and purposes weaker than him, shouldn't be able to do that either. If you gotta PM people the explanation, fine, but I think we need this one explained.
And I'll try to post soon, I'm sorry. The bug I talked about getting earlier turned into a bit of stomach flu, and while it wasn't awful or anything and I think I've almost shaken it off at this point, it's kinda sapped the energy out of me if nothing else. I'll let you guys (the ones I'm holding up that is) formulate some form of creative punishment for me if I keep this up. ^_^"
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I mean, summoning it from another dimension I could buy, because it's already been said that she's got the Jeweled Sword.
However, projecting a working van from scratch . . .
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Normally with the way projection works it would be pointless. Sakura however is employed as a mechanic as a night job. The van isn't one projection but rather every individual part. She's not in combat so she's not going to pass out from the strain just yet but basically what she just is a dozen projections rather than a single one and mana wise she just went from 100% to 40%.
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I think it would still be the same net prana cost even if she can project each individual part, because Shirou or Archer would have to do the same to get the same effect because they obviously would have to have all the parts there as well. Structural analysis should account for all the parts to begin with, so what Sakura's doing shouldn't make a difference. And even then, it should be reducing her prana far more than that. Properly, she should be close to dead, if not already dead regardless.
Again, even Archer can't do this. Even with the explanation you gave us, it still doesn't quite seem plausible.
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It's a mundane object, I frankly think that the whole protest fucks up canon royally since Shirou's projection is different from the normal kind to begin with and frankly the lecture Rin gives about projection leads me to believe that magi have done actual research into projection as a subject and a van, again a mundane non magical object was well within their grasp.
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Like I said though, even Archer shouldn't be able to do this.
Plus even as Archer's daughter, I don't think he'd necessarily pass down his ability to project, especially to that degree, for certain, as a lot of that is determined I think by his personal circumstances. She'd be likely to reinforce really well, sure, but projection on that scale? For most magi, it shouldn't be plausible, and even as Archer's child, Sakura should fall under the "most magi" category, because, again, it's highly unlikely he'd pass down his projection, as that is all largely unique to him and not genetic.
The problem is that, even as a mundane object, it's large, has lots of small parts, plus fluids to get in there in order to get it to run properly. That would take a ton of prana. To be able to project a car would be getting closer to miracle territory, which, again, even Archer, who can repair kitchens and entire rooms back to brand new using his magic, shouldn't be even able to do.
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Archer is not special, his ability to project is not the standard, we do not have a standard to compare it to only Rin's testimony in the VN. Sakura is by no means average as magi go and it's a mundane object.
Sakura can't do what Archer does but frankly she doesn't need to to project a fucking van.
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But you just tried to justify it by saying that Shirou's projection is special and thus doesn't fall under normal standards. Guess who Archer is? Archer is a far stronger Shirou. If a stronger Shirou can hardly pull it off, neither should his daughter.
And I just said why a mundane object would still give trouble.
Quite frankly, if even Elf is questioning this openly, doesn't that indicate that there's some form of problem here?
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For the sake of the argument, let's assume Sakura has the prana and talent for completing the projection.(I doubt it's even possible, but whatever)
What's strange for Sakura, is to be able to maintain a perfect image of its composition. Remember that projections have a time limit, and it is greatly influenced by the magus' own mental structure plan of said item. The more complex it becomes, the shorter it will last. And mundane or not, has nothing to do with it. Separate parts and a working vehicle aren't on the same scale either.
Not gonna argue it for hours but, you could have made it simple by just projecting a set of (tandem)bicycles. Or hijacking a vehicle.
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Sorry guys, I'm in a place where access to the Internet is really limited. Didn't have time to tell you guys earlier.
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It's more than fine- you can't help that. :)
And Daiki presents a really good argument (better than mine anyway :P). Like I said, straight up projecting the van I think even Archer would struggle with, assuming he could do it at all, for the reasons Daiki stated.
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1) a tandem bike cannot balance or support a fucking wheel chair
2) I read the VN three times I know full well there's a time limit
3) stealing a car would be out of character so no.
4) the idea that laser swords, holes in space time are perfectly fine well and possible but a goddamn car is impossible when literally the only point Rin ever made was that project is limited by the users imagination and they mana is utterly stupid
5) I was not using Shirou to justify anything the way you claim.
being complained at for every little thing is getting old. Seriously Canon doesn't say no so quit complaining.
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For the sake of the argument, let's assume Sakura has the prana and talent for completing the projection.(I doubt it's even possible, but whatever)
What's strange for Sakura, is to be able to maintain a perfect image of its composition. Remember that projections have a time limit, and it is greatly influenced by the magus' own mental structure plan of said item. The more complex it becomes, the shorter it will last. And mundane or not, has nothing to do with it. Separate parts and a working vehicle aren't on the same scale either.
Not gonna argue it for hours but, you could have made it simple by just projecting a set of (tandem)bicycles. Or hijacking a vehicle.
To be fair, Lantz is right that projecting a mundane object, even a very complex one, is likely considerably easier than projecting something like a Noble Phantasm. It still does seem somewhat questionable, but I don't think canon is really all that clear on what normal projection can do.
Also, Shirou is shown to be capable of fixing electronic equipment using projection, and that's before he even knows of his abilities. So, whilst I'm not convinced it would be possible personally, I also don't think canon explicitly rules it out. We never see a magus even attempt to project mundane objects in that manner, and Rin never says doing so is impossible.
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You have no right to tell people to stop complaining lantz, not when you keep giving us good reason to complain. Maybe consider that we actually have a point instead of just assuming you must be always right and everyone that disagrees with you is always wrong. There's a reason people find that irritating, lantz.
And @Cherry yes, it's easier than a Noble Phantasm, but it'd still be a bitch to do regardless. Plus the time limit means that it should have collapsed by now, and quite frankly, Sakura should barely be conscious right now. This is honestly all illustrating why we have a point when we point out lantz's characters being Sue-ish, this many people shouldn't be calling foul on stuff like this.
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Lantz, if people have criticism of your character or their actions they have a right to state it. They have a valid point here, which is that projecting a car is quite extreme, and most people would probably say that a normal magus, even a rather powerful one, couldn't do it (Rin, for example, would be hard-pressed to). Plus, twenty minutes is quite a long time for a projection to last.
At the same time, though, I can see your point here. Canon isn't overly-clear on how projection works, or on whether something like this would be doable. And, since not being able to do it would leave us stuck, I am inclined to say it should be OK.
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It never stops with Alice ever. I can't RP the way I want I can't produce fan fiction the way I want, can't contribute at fucking all.
frankly Rin says IN CANON that a projection fades when it stops being supported, I never said she stopped supporting it. As with the first bit in the alley you've assumed my characters actions. Stop it.
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In this case, lantz? You have no right to tell me what I can and cannot do. And I didn't assume, lantz, you just ignored what everyone else was doing. If anyone should stop hurling accusations, it's you.
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I dunno lantz, projecting a car is... pretty far out there. I'd buy a skateboard or maybe a bike at a stretch, but something with that many separate moving parts doesn't seem possible, not to mention the chemical reactions that need to happen in the engine for it to work. Projections are supposed to be stuff like hollow duplicates of simple objects, not something this big or complicated. Plus to understand a car, Sakura would have first had to take it apart and examine every individual piece, and that's no joke.
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The van is Shirou's that she helped to build bloble so I already covered that and to repeat. In canon Rin states that as long as a magi continues fueling a projection it will continue to exist. That is why Shirou has special projections in comparison because his stay without outside influence. It's canon the only reason people don't commonly do it is because it's a waste to create a temporary object that big. Just because it's not a good idea does not mean impossible and again Rin in canon tells how normal projection works. It can be done according to canon.
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Like Bloble says though (you people keep saying stuff so much better than I do :P), there's too many moving parts and too many small chemical reactions occurring to make it logically possible. Even if she has worked with the car, I doubt she's literally taken every piece apart and knows every single chemical reaction that occurs.
And it's big, mundane object or not. Assuming she has the same level of prana as Rin, it should at best knock her out and at worst kill her. If she lived, it could fry her circuits. She can hardly maintain it for a long period of time when her prana's pretty much gone to begin with. Again, it's implausible.
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You shouldn't need to understand the chemical reactions to project the car, though. You just need to project the fluids in question.
The fact is that we just don't know. Nasu has never addressed the question, or any similar one. I suspect that you probably couldn't project a car with Rin-level prana, but I am not willing to say for certain that you could not.
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The consequences are mine to show. Canon says it's possible. The effect on Sakura is my business. There is a point to why I'm doing this. And again I said built, she built the van.
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You shouldn't need to understand the chemical reactions to project the car, though. You just need to project the fluids in question.
The fact is that we just don't know. Nasu has never addressed the question, or any similar one. I suspect that you probably couldn't project a car with Rin-level prana, but I am not willing to say for certain that you could not.
True, but you still need to understand how that powers the engine, and you need to get the chemical structure of those fluids exactly right otherwise you could unintentionally end up with a totally different fluid.
For that matter, this whole scenario is basically the problem with Lantz's OC's in a nutshell - they have no weaknesses and seem to be better at everything they do than their parents. I mean, for fucks sake Satoshi basically can never be killed, has absurd magical ability, is a fucking dragon, is really 2000 years old, has an 'oh my god so special and cool' sword, a second 'oh my god so special and cool' sword, and somehow for that matter killed Gilgamesh and defeated Arc (After which considering what lantz has written about him, he boned her) and then the icing on the cake - a reality marble. Oh, and he pisses off counter guardians for fun.
Seriously, we need to pull an intervention here.
The consequences are mine to show. Canon says it's possible. The effect on Sakura is my business. There is a point to why I'm doing this. And again I said built, she built the van.
Even if she did build the van, here's the kicker - SHE DIDN'T BUILD THE GAS, THE BATTERY, THE OIL, OR THE FUCKING WIPER FLUID! Lantz, I don't think you GET just how many individual moving parts are in an engine, that have to be millimeter precise or they simply won't work. And I can TELL this explanation is being pulled out of your ass here. In this case, when everyone else is calling bullshit (Except Mike, but mike isn't supporting you on this one and taking a neutral stance), you need to take a step back, and wait for a GM ruling. For that matter, even if she DID for the sake of argument project every individual piece, that would likely cost MORE mana and boil her brain from the sheer information overload required.
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You are spreading misinformation arch. Stop it. And no I am not ass pulling.
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True, but you still need to understand how that powers the engine, and you need to get the chemical structure of those fluids exactly right otherwise you could unintentionally end up with a totally different fluid.
That would apply to projecting absolutely anything though, however simple it might be. I'm pretty sure magi don't project things on a molecular level....
And, no, I don't see why you would need to understand how the fuel powers the engine to make it work. You just need to know how the engine is designed. Do you think your average engine manufacturing worker knows the chemical reactions that occur to run the engine they built?
For that matter, this whole scenario is basically the problem with Lantz's OC's in a nutshell - they have no weaknesses and seem to be better at everything they do than their parents.
They do have weaknesses....
I mean, for fucks sake Satoshi basically can never be killed, has absurd magical ability, is a fucking dragon, is really 2000 years old, has an 'oh my god so special and cool' sword, a second 'oh my god so special and cool' sword, and somehow for that matter killed Gilgamesh and defeated Arc (After which considering what lantz has written about him, he boned her) and then the icing on the cake - a reality marble. Oh, and he pisses off counter guardians for fun.
Can you please stop just spouting stuff about Satoshi that is taken out of context or just wrong? I don't think Toshi ever defeated Arc, and he certainly didn't fuck her, not canonically. The rest is just out of context I think, and designed to make him look bad.
Even if she did build the van, here's the kicker - SHE DIDN'T BUILD THE GAS, THE BATTERY, THE OIL, OR THE FUCKING WIPER FLUID! Lantz, I don't think you GET just how many individual moving parts are in an engine, that have to be millimeter precise or they simply won't work. And I can TELL this explanation is being pulled out of your ass here. In this case, when everyone else is calling bullshit (Except Mike, but mike isn't supporting you on this one and taking a neutral stance), you need to take a step back, and wait for a GM ruling. For that matter, even if she DID for the sake of argument project every individual piece, that would likely cost MORE mana and boil her brain from the sheer information overload required.
I doubt she needs to worry about wiper fluid, and I would imagine that oil, gas and battery fluid is relatively simple to understand. The engine though, yeah, that is quite complex.
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Magos is just saying what he knows about Toshi, although there's a couple of things that are incorrect, yes (the sex with Arc thing, since I think that just happens in the gajillion side pairing things lantz writes and then abandons before even working on them, and the... defeating her thing I think, though that one I'm not sure on). The rest though? He's going off of what he knows. lantz won't go into any further detail is the problem.
Same with their weaknesses. It's not obvious to us what those are. He needs to say what those weaknesses are, though that should come out in the writing as well, which is a problem, but again, Magos is working off of what he knows here. All he has is the character sheet, that's what he's using to try to understand Toshi, and in this case, it's relevant because it's what's being used for the RP.
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You are spreading misinformation arch. Stop it. And no I am not ass pulling.
It isn't spreading misinformation when all that is taken from his FUCKING CHARACTER SHEET AND YOUR STATEMENTS LANTZ. MISINFORMATION WOULD BE SAYING HE'S RIDING A UNICORN RAINBOW AND IS AS GAY AS A SUNFLOWER OR SOMETHING, WHICH HE ISN'T!
And that's another thing, his weaknesses don't come across inside the text. Neither do Sakura's or Connors or Taiga's. They all just... are perfect. I mean, EX charisma? Are you shitting me? Doesn't that sorta mean everyone should love her? What's the catch for a fucking normalish human to have that sort of charisma? Is she just that damn perfect? Because if so she doesn't act like it.
Satoshi for that matter doesn't act like some 2000 year old wise man, he acts like a holy self righteous cunt.
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It is misinformation arch, stop it.
as for you Alice your conjecture about my writing habits which you know nothing about is unwelcome. Please stop.
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You are spreading misinformation arch. Stop it. And no I am not ass pulling.
It isn't spreading misinformation when all that is taken from his FUCKING CHARACTER SHEET AND YOUR STATEMENTS LANTZ. MISINFORMATION WOULD BE SAYING HE'S RIDING A UNICORN RAINBOW AND IS AS GAY AS A SUNFLOWER OR SOMETHING, WHICH HE ISN'T!
Where did Lantz say he defeated Arc? And, like I said, the "fucking her" bit is not canon in any way.
Also, please calm down, Arch....
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Magos, even though I agree with you, calm down. It's not worth getting angry over, trust me, I know.
And I'm sorry about the little snipe I made lantz, though you do have a tendency to leave stuff like that hanging at times. Though I'm sorry about the snark, I'm a little frustrated too.
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I don't leave it hanging, I just don't discuss changes and editing publicly. I'm private like that and the anger that you often show Alice is rather discouraging in general. I said before that negative reinforcement doesn't work on me. All it does is cause a withdrawal from writing and discussion. In short it is your anger that prevents me from discussing the details and finishing work.
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I've gotten truly angry twice lantz, both times where I wasn't thinking clearly at the time, the first time for which I even publically apologized for. If you want people to not assume about your characters, stop throwing false assumptions onto others as well. Quite frankly, both your false accusations and your attempt to guilt trip me are both out of bounds.
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Oh boy.
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I don't leave it hanging, I just don't discuss changes and editing publicly. I'm private like that and the anger that you often show Alice is rather discouraging in general. I said before that negative reinforcement doesn't work on me. All it does is cause a withdrawal from writing and discussion. In short it is your anger that prevents me from discussing the details and finishing work.
Don't act like you're in the right here lantz. All you're doing is trying to play for sympathy points and trust me, you aren't getting any considering your behavior and flat out denial that you have made a mistake in anything.
Also, you say you edit your work? I thought it was already all written out and you wouldn't change shit? Didn't you claim that in the BL thread? Or is that just bullshit like your explanation?
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Magos, please just go away, you're really not helping matters.
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Except I'm not entirely inclined to disagree with Magos here. Though, again, he does need to calm down and maybe step back from the thread.
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I don't know what you're referring to Alice. Seriously no idea.
Arch stop. You are deliberately spreading misinformation in an effort to discredit me. Discontinue your attacks now please.
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Except I'm not entirely inclined to disagree with Magos here. Though, again, he does need to calm down and maybe step back from the thread.
Yeah, the thing is, we really shouldn't be having a long argument about this in the RP discussion thread....
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He's not trying to spread misinformation lantz, not deliberately, he's saying what he understands of it.
And funny you should say that, considering you just accused me of being angry constantly and being entirely at fault for you being unable to write, which in turn discredits me.
Though yeah, this argument needs to stop.
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Magos, please just go away, you're really not helping matters.
Except I'm not entirely inclined to disagree with Magos here. Though, again, he does need to calm down and maybe step back from the thread.
Mike, at some point you have to realize that lantz is a big boy and if he can't roll with the punches he shouldn't get in the fistfight. But I'll back off for now.
I don't know what you're referring to Alice. Seriously no idea.
Arch stop. You are deliberately spreading misinformation in an effort to discredit me. Discontinue your attacks now please.
I have never spread disinformation. All I've been doing is taking what you've stated, posted, and written about your OC's and restated that. Even if those lemon 1 shots are non-canon that somehow bafflingly came out before Swords and Sorcery. Lantz, you should stop attacking me, and quit projecting so hard.
I'm outta here for a bit as the mods don't want this to get nasty though you're the one trying to escalate it in every case and the first to resort to ad hominim and blatantly false accusations.
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You does not refer directly to you Alice. You refers to the larger sense of people who come at me in anger whomever they are. It is not discrediting you I'm pointing out that anger causes a backlash in my writing and discussion ability because it is very hard to discuss thing with people who are raging at me.
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and quit projecting so hard.
Not sure if intentional given the topic at hand.
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and quit projecting so hard.
Not sure if intentional given the topic at hand.
Partly intentional as a pun, partly not.
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Guys, please do not make me GM Spank.
Also, projecting a car/van is pretty far fetched. Like I said, summoning it from another dimension I would have let slide, but a car has a lot of working parts. It's like in Terminator 2 when John asks the T-800 why the T-1000 just doesn't turn into a bomb or gun to kill him. The T-800 replies that it's too many complex chemical and moving parts that he can't replicate.
There's a limit to what magic can do.
Like I don't see the absurdly powerful Ruby tracing a car. However I do see her yanking one from another dimension though. That's plausible.
I clearly state in my rules that you have to make something believable. Singing a car into existence makes me go, "WTF mate."
Also, about weaknesses, take Forest for example- I list pretty much every weakness she has in her character sheet. So has everyone else with their characters.
I'll allow it this time because it's already happened, but next time, do something plausible please. Or at least, in the words of Tim Gunn, "Make it work."
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Also, about weaknesses, take Forest for example- I list pretty much every weakness she has in her character sheet. So has everyone else with their characters.
This. I mean, look at Lawrence. Sure, he can come back to life, but that's something that's going to fucking hurt, he can't do it much, and anything that can sever his connection to his Geist basically fucks him over. Anything that harms spirits also harms him. He's no stronger or faster than an average human, and he's rather squishy - he can take some punishment but beyond a certain pretty small point, he's not regenerating from a god damn shotgun wound in his chest without a fuckload of energy around and a rather long amount of time.
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Sakura does not possess the second magic, she cannot pull things out of thin air. If canon doesn't work as a measurement of what is possible then I can't see the point in attempting to do anything in game.
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Posting in parts again- Daiki can figure out some creative punishment for me if I delay on Ruu's part much longer. ^_^" But got Rin's small part done anyway. :)
And as GM, it's Elf's right to decide what goes. And we can do plenty, just as long as it's within reason.
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I don't mind if you take your time.
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Sakura does not possess the second magic, she cannot pull things out of thin air. If canon doesn't work as a measurement of what is possible then I can't see the point in attempting to do anything in game.
Oh my god the irony is delicious.
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Magos, be nice.
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So, just by skimming the thread I've come to the conclusion that this RP consists of the following:
30% Archer and Rin flirting
20% other characters flirting and being edgy
20% lantz and Mike doing their thing
20% fucking Alice and Elf doing their thing
10% COPPU
Not bad at all, I say.
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So, just by skimming the thread I've come to the conclusion that this RP consists of the following:
30% Archer and Rin flirting
20% other characters flirting and being edgy
20% lantz and Mike doing their thing
20% fucking Alice and Elf doing their thing
10% COPPU
Not bad at all, I say.
It's about to be about 15 percent COPPU now.
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I'm sorry about the porn, it just happened!
Also, there is no smoking in the compound. At all. Forest will find your cigarettes and flush them.
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First off, sorry I haven't been posting. Busy busy
Not then, random question, is Forest in the basement? Like, her bedroom.
This is the difference between knocking and waiting for Elf, or knocking and waiting in-story. Very important.
I can't really tell through Elf's latest post, and well, staying blind to properly get into the character, blah blah blah
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She's on the first floor with the twins and Shirou in one of the many guest restrooms. She's getting the girls comfortable and in bed. Isa's had a very bad day.
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Hey now don't forget about Downy sitting in his little corner of the city all by his lonesome.
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K, well after someone else posts in the RP (I'm not doubleposting, forget that), she'll have a visitor waiting in front of her door. One who will wait in front of that door until the world burns over, because she's been told the Landlady knows things and lives in the basement. She's very determined, and has gone five days without sleep once before (not making this up, it's in the game).
I'm actually going to be rolling dice to see if Ran will think herself out of monstrosity-assisted suicide for every in-game post where she has to wait for something or other. Nat 20 is the only thing that will save her, barring external influence.
She's getting the girls comfortable and in bed.
I am ashamed that this made me think of dirty acts before remembering that tucking people in bed and wishing them good night was a thing.
I am not longer a pure maiden.
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Hey now don't forget about Downy sitting in his little corner of the city all by his lonesome.
Yeah, we kind-of need to get to that....
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Well hey, maybe Ran could come with you! Ran doesn't exactly have any direction apart from "Landlady knows something", and once she talks to Forest she'll need something else to do, and helping handle the Downy could totally count.
And if there's already some rivalry going on, maybe she could just beat on his mooks instead. Everyone needs a good mook-beater! And who better than a dungeoneer, eh?
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Hmm, Elf, I think Forest has slightly over-estimated Rider's focus on sex here. She likes it, but she's not that heavily-focussed on it.
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Yeah, if we look at her legend she only really had sex once.
And that didn't turn out so well. I'm rather surprised she's so lewd in nasuverse, since it seemed so traumatic in the myth itself.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure why. In my universe, though, she has had 30 years of living a relatively normal life, so I don't think that would affect her quite so much anyway.
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I can't believe we're still in the first night...
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I can't believe we're still in the first night...
And this is why I do IRC RP for any tabletop games I'm running. Far far faster, as Bloble can attest.
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And this is why I do IRC RP for any tabletop games I'm running. Far far faster, as Bloble can attest.
I attest! I attest!
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Hmm, Elf, I think Forest has slightly over-estimated Rider's focus on sex here. She likes it, but she's not that heavily-focussed on it.
From what Forest has "seen" of Rider, there's been a lot of naughty thoughts projected.
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Lantz - while it's SOMETHING, that's a pretty cosmetic repercussion. Actually, that's a purely cosmetic one and it wouldn't happen that fast. It took years likely for Archer's hair to bleach pure white.
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Hey now don't forget about Downy sitting in his little corner of the city all by his lonesome.
Mu is still under Downy's thrall, giving him a trained assassin using rune enhanced firearms and a pair of acquired noble phantasms (one of which the archer's can steal and one that he cannot, a weapon wielded by Izanami & Izanagi to create JAPAN[!] but given to them by the elder gods).
Well hey, maybe Ran could come with you! Ran doesn't exactly have any direction apart from "Landlady knows something", and once she talks to Forest she'll need something else to do, and helping handle the Downy could totally count.
This could also be used for them to encounter Seras, who better to meet with a Vampiress of one branch of vampirism than another vampiress from a separate branch. Though I might just have the Don pass them, while walking in the opposite direction and let Forest get a glimpse into the mind of the man leading the criminal underground in the city.
And if there's already some rivalry going on, maybe she could just beat on his mooks instead. Everyone needs a good mook-beater! And who better than a dungeoneer, eh?
Careful, Mu already cut threw a swath of them and he got himself enthralled (though it was a coalition between the two of us though)
Oh! I just realized something, Lawrence is the only one to encounter The Don/Joe thus far and maybe Forest could pick up on a revitalized train of thought about taking Mr. Fixit up on his offer. If you guys can do it, we could have Forest ask about the offer Joe made to Lawrence out loud and then we can let the others in on the existence of the man running the criminal side of Nexus. If possible can Forest see brief flashes of memory related top a train of thought? If so then when Forest asks the question about who Mr. Fixit is, she could get a memory flash of what The Don/Joe looked like from Lawrence's point of view and she could describe what she had seen through Lawrence's POV to the others.
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Lawrence is the only one to encounter The Don/Joe thus far and maybe Forest could pick up on a revitalized train of thought about taking Mr. Fixit up on his offer. If you guys can do it, we could have Forest ask about the offer Joe made to Lawrence out loud and then we can let the others in on the existence of the man running the criminal side of Nexus. If possible can Forest see brief flashes of memory related top a train of thought? If so then when Forest asks the question about who Mr. Fixit is, she could get a memory flash of what The Don/Joe looked like from Lawrence's point of view and she could describe what she had seen through Lawrence's POV to the others.
I like this. I like this a lot. He's still got the card in his pocket, and he's not sure if he should take it up. I mean, he doesn't like to kill, and in his case these killings were purely for revenge. But the memories? Oh, he's thinking about it. It's tempting, all the money he could need just for a few bullets or maybe not even that.
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Lawrence is the only one to encounter The Don/Joe thus far and maybe Forest could pick up on a revitalized train of thought about taking Mr. Fixit up on his offer. If you guys can do it, we could have Forest ask about the offer Joe made to Lawrence out loud and then we can let the others in on the existence of the man running the criminal side of Nexus. If possible can Forest see brief flashes of memory related top a train of thought? If so then when Forest asks the question about who Mr. Fixit is, she could get a memory flash of what The Don/Joe looked like from Lawrence's point of view and she could describe what she had seen through Lawrence's POV to the others.
I like this. I like this a lot. He's still got the card in his pocket, and he's not sure if he should take it up. I mean, he doesn't like to kill, and in his case these killings were purely for revenge. But the memories? Oh, he's thinking about it. It's tempting, all the money he could need just for a few bullets or maybe not even that.
Like giving the car a well deserved tune-up and maybe a few efficient upgrades and what not?
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Yeah, or paying his rent or some of the debts he owes on loans and whatnot. It's a tempting tempting and even more tempting offer.
Thing is, the problem could come from the Redheaded Driver - once he starts killing, really killing, he probably won't want Lawrence to ever stop. And they both know it.
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I can't believe we're still in the first night...
And this is why I do IRC RP for any tabletop games I'm running. Far far faster, as Bloble can attest.
Yes, but it requires everyone to be on at the same time, which isn't remotely plausible with this group.
Hmm, Elf, I think Forest has slightly over-estimated Rider's focus on sex here. She likes it, but she's not that heavily-focussed on it.
From what Forest has "seen" of Rider, there's been a lot of naughty thoughts projected.
Well, yes, true....
Lantz - while it's SOMETHING, that's a pretty cosmetic repercussion. Actually, that's a purely cosmetic one and it wouldn't happen that fast. It took years likely for Archer's hair to bleach pure white.
It's an indication of her lacking prana, which is very definitely not cosmetic....
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It's more than the hair. The other symptoms have yet to present themselves.
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Thing is, the problem could come from the Redheaded Driver - once he starts killing, really killing, he probably won't want Lawrence to ever stop. And they both know it.
Lawrence needs an emotional anchor to keep him and the Redheaded Driver in line, in other words he needs a girlfriend that RD would approve of as well. Maybe Ran, she is capable of killing and Lawrence could try and befriend her to get the ball rolling
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Hey Daiki, is Shuya trying to play matchmaker?
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No idea. I'm just waiting for the day to progress or something relevant to happen.
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It was his previous job. He kinda felt nostalgic.
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Quick question - can Forest 'hear' dreams and other mental activities like that?
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Quick question - can Forest 'hear' dreams and other mental activities like that?
Depends on how strong or "powerful" they are actually or how close she is to the person sleeping.
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Arch, what "intruder" does your RP post refer to? Taiga and Kiyoshi are just normal magi kids (well, Kiyoshi is and I think Taiga is too), so I'm not sure what he's picking up on.
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Arch, what "intruder" does your RP post refer to? Taiga and Kiyoshi are just normal magi kids (well, Kiyoshi is and I think Taiga is too), so I'm not sure what he's picking up on.
Connor. According to Lantz's character page for him he broadcasts the aura of an extradimensional entity. Well, fun fact - so is the Geist. They're from somewhere beyond the gates of the Underworld, and they're also part of the twilight, the ghostly dimension of human ghosts and human based spirits.
And in this case, that's BAD news. His aura is far far different from a sin eaters or normal spirit, due to divine blood. And the fact that he's a magi. So basically, he's either an extradimensional cthonic entity - bad news, or a creature of the Abyss - Even WORSE news.
He'd be eating buckshot no matter which one.
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Wrong
Connor is seen as an extra dimensional creature by other creatures of that nature unless Connor actively stops the effect
this is not an aura Arch. Learn to read
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Hmmm....
Name: Connor McRemitz
Race: Demi god
Age:18
Height: 6 feet
Weight:260lbs
Eyes:red
Hair:red
Appearance: A lean but muscular young man whose hair is often tied in a pony tail. His wide shouldered frame and choice of heavy clothes make him appear much bigger than he is. He can and will grow a beard if left unchecked for more than a few days but he finds it a nuisance to care for so he shaves every day despite his natural baby face getting him a few jabs from girls.
Alignment: Chaotic good
Charisma: C
Strength: B
Agility: A
Speed: A
Magic Resistance: B
Magic Ability: C
Other Abilities: Endless pursuit, Connor enters a Zen like state where his reflexes perception become a singular entity. This allows him to Dodge or block any attack seen the moment he sees it. Although not invincible it makes him very hard to defeat in combat. It also often causes him to fall asleep on the spot after it concludes and is not voluntary to activate or exit.
Shadow pact. Connor is seen as an extra dimensional creature by other creatures of that nature unless Connor actively stops the effect. Cu culann's teacher gifted him this ability as a baby after Connor's mother won a certain dispute.
Origin: NA
Weakness: Connor cannot lie, a nameless curse afflicts him making him unable to lie
Likes: Sakura Tohsaka
Dislikes:Gilgamesh, emotional fronts
According to his sheet - not wrong. And if he broadcasts a sineater aura lantz, that's worse, as he has no Geist. Sin-Eaters without a geist are soulless abominations constantly on the lookout for something new to shove inside. So basically, unless you want to metagame the fuck out of this and have him suddenly drop his aura (An even worse idea by the way, as now all four kids are going to be eating buckshot) The Driver and Lawrence are going to detect him.
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Wrong
Connor is seen as an extra dimensional creature by other creatures of that nature unless Connor actively stops the effect
this is not an aura Arch. Learn to read
Congrats, and this changes jack shit as the Redheaded Driver and Lawrence can still see him in the Twilight.
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Connor is seen as an extra dimensional creature by other creatures of that nature unless Connor actively stops the effect
this is not an aura Arch. Learn to read
Congrats, and this changes jack shit as the Redheaded Driver and Lawrence can still see him in the Twilight.
How? He's outside the door....
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How? He's outside the door....
The Twilight is... odd. It's like a layer over our reality in ways. Everything physical, mundane etc. etc.? Consider it basically opaque and colorless. Spirits and spiritual entities? Blazing colors. Think of Connor basically as a flashlight, and the building like a cloudy glass of water - you can still see the light, but it's not as clearly visible.
The Shadow is kinda the same way but that's another story along with the Supernal realms, the Heaven of the God-Machine and the Hedge.
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Well I don't understand how that works when someone is dream since basic visual perception is different and shouldn't function when dreaming but it doesn't matter, I won't let the lunatic kill my characters and I'm sure mike won't either
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Well I don't understand how that works when someone is dream since basic visual perception is different and shouldn't function when dreaming but it doesn't matter, I won't let the lunatic kill my characters and I'm sure mike won't either
Lawrence is. Who said anything about the Driver sleeping?
EDIT: For that matter, Lawrence isn't a lunatic. If anyone is, it's Taiga for BITING SOMEONE'S FUCKING HAND FOR TRYING TO HELP HER. JESUS CHRIST GIRL.
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EDIT: For that matter, Lawrence isn't a lunatic. If anyone is, it's Taiga for BITING SOMEONE'S FUCKING HAND FOR TRYING TO HELP HER. JESUS CHRIST GIRL.
I would say that it wouldn't be very nice for a disabled person to be treated as a package to be carried around. A normal person wouldn't like being picked up randomly, so why should she?
Also, I think we're in a bit of a deadlock right now. Taiga and Kiyoshi aren't going to open the door, and they don't know Lawrence is coming, so we can't do a lot until you act.
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Ready to kill two children, a woman developing a fever and the guy taking care of her. Sorry Lawrence sounds like a lunatic to me.
as for Taiga, this happens with any sudden surprise with anyone. She said clearly that she doesn't like people to pick her up without warning. For all she knew it could have been anyone. It's not crazy to defend yourself.
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EDIT: For that matter, Lawrence isn't a lunatic. If anyone is, it's Taiga for BITING SOMEONE'S FUCKING HAND FOR TRYING TO HELP HER. JESUS CHRIST GIRL.
I would say that it wouldn't be very nice for a disabled person to be treated as a package to be carried around. A normal person wouldn't like being picked up randomly, so why should she?
Also, I think we're in a bit of a deadlock right now. Taiga and Kiyoshi aren't going to open the door, and they don't know Lawrence is coming, so we can't do a lot until you act.
I'll edit it so Lawrence throws open the door.
Lantz, I don't think you realize just how dangerous an Abyssal is. We're talking something that if left unchecked could end reality as we know it. Four lives for stopping the end of the world? Fucking taking that deal. For that matter, that's only if Connor drops the pact. Otherwise he's the only target.
EDIT - For that matter... Sin-Eaters aren't really that effected by killing someone. It's because of the geist. They might not like killing people or oppose it morally, but if they pull the trigger and someone dies they're not that broken up about it. Hell, they don't suffer degeneration or synergy loss for premeditated murder in game terms. It's what makes Sin-Eaters as inhuman as they are - they aren't fully ghost, and they aren't truly human anymore. They're something different.
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I don't honestly care, you're trying to murder my characters.
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I don't honestly care, you're trying to murder my characters.
So? Conflict happens. Lawrence is acting IC here. It's his fucking job to clean this shit up - that's what Sin-Eaters do. They're the RIPD except they don't suck. Their fucking job is making sure things are hunky dory in the twilight and mundane worlds. An abyssal shows up, it gets blown away. Simple as that. Plus, you know, he's got a spirit of murder in his head. That kinda influences the decision.
And honestly, why should you care that one of your characters might die? You have a bunch of other ones, and you can always replace Connor.
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Well, rules are rules, and the rules say a character can't die unless both parties agree (in this case, unlikely...).
He can still act IC, sure, but you can't actually kill anybody (unless you created them).
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I sure as hell won't agree to death for any of my characters from this.
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And honestly, why should you care that one of your characters might die? You have a bunch of other ones, and you can always replace Connor.
I would imagine that killing Connor would have a significant effect on the rest of Lantz's characters. And killing Kiyoshi would destroy Sakura, and Rider too (since she wasn't there to protect him).
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And honestly, why should you care that one of your characters might die? You have a bunch of other ones, and you can always replace Connor.
I would imagine that killing Connor would have a significant effect on the rest of Lantz's characters. And killing Kiyoshi would destroy Sakura, and Rider too (since she wasn't there to protect him).
Yeah, and that's something that could lead to significant character development.
And Lantz, suck it up. IC there's no real reason for Lawrence not to just open fire the second he had eyes on Connor. The only reason I HAVEN'T is because I'm trying to give you a chance to respond.
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Only Satoshi and Sakura but between them Lawrence wouldn't get sleep, well assuming he out ran Satoshi in the first place...
oh and mike you're up
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Only Satoshi and Sakura but between them Lawrence wouldn't get sleep, well assuming he out ran Satoshi in the first place...
oh and mike you're up
Just for the record, how close to death are 'Sakura' and 'Taiga'?
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No
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Christ dude. Sin-Eaters can see how close a person is to dying - within a few days of death they basically broadcast a giant sign to them. I want to know it for IC descriptions. It's not like I'm going to MIND CONTROL DEATH them.
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Magos, could you wait for me please. Kiyoshi isn't going to stand there like a lemon whilst you're doing all of this....
And, given their age I would assume none of the characters there are remotely close to death.
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Magos, could you wait for me please. Kiyoshi isn't going to stand there like a lemon whilst you're doing all of this....
Sorry, that was more a clarification post on to where the shotgun was leveled. My bad.
It isn't of old age - other causes. Hell, he can probably see just how drained 'Sakura' is due to this. She came damn close to killing herself with that van stunt apparently. And IIRC Taiga has 'Generic Anime Moe Wasting Disease #29047893'.
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They aren't period
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That's OK, I'm just considering how Kiyoshi should respond.
As for the life thing, I'm not sure how long Kiyoshi has left, but I would imagine it is going to be at least 50 years. The rest I can't say for sure, but I don't think Lantz intends killing any of them off young, and none of them are past their 20s yet, so I would imagine they have 50-odd years left too.
t isn't of old age - other causes. Hell, he can probably see just how drained 'Sakura' is due to this. She came damn close to killing herself with that van stunt apparently. And IIRC Taiga has 'Generic Anime Moe Wasting Disease #29047893'.
Oh, I see.
Well, I don't think Taiga actually has an illness in that sense, so she should live a normal length life, and Sakura is drained but that doesn't mean she's going to die.
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They aren't period
OK
You seem to be missing the point. Like, really missing it.
The point is that both of these characters are rather fragile at the moment, and as such he could faintly sense a possible death on them (Much stronger on rin), but that's about it. It's not like they WILL die if Lawrence sees this.
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My previous statement still applies. They are not close to death.
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My previous statement still applies. They are not close to death.
So, Sakura just pretty much almost killed herself projecting a Van, and she's 'Not Close to Death.'
Riiiiiiiight.
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They aren't period
OK
You seem to be missing the point. Like, really missing it.
The point is that both of these characters are rather fragile at the moment, and as such he could faintly sense a possible death on them (Much stronger on rin), but that's about it. It's not like they WILL die if Lawrence sees this.
Why on Rin? She's not got anything that is likely to kill her any time soon....
I think you're getting it wrong with Taiga, although perhaps you have a point with Sakura. She should be somewhat "close to death" in that sense, due to her prana usage.
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They aren't period
OK
You seem to be missing the point. Like, really missing it.
The point is that both of these characters are rather fragile at the moment, and as such he could faintly sense a possible death on them (Much stronger on rin), but that's about it. It's not like they WILL die if Lawrence sees this.
Why on Rin? She's not got anything that is likely to kill her any time soon....
I meant Sakura, she's so fucking bland I can't tell the difference half the time, so I slip to a character who's name isn't the same as her fucking aunts for no reason.
Anyway, mike, You're up
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Christ dude. Sin-Eaters can see how close a person is to dying - within a few days of death they basically broadcast a giant sign to them.
Huh...kinda reminded me of the Shinigami Eyes from Death Note.
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120704033931/deathnote/images/2/2e/DEATH_NOTE_-_29_-_Large_19.jpg)
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Christ dude. Sin-Eaters can see how close a person is to dying - within a few days of death they basically broadcast a giant sign to them.
Huh...kinda like the Shinigami Eyes from Death Note?
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120704033931/deathnote/images/2/2e/DEATH_NOTE_-_29_-_Large_19.jpg)
Sorta, but not really. They can't tell when, only if physical, how. And it's more a gut feeling than actual sight... sometimes. For more violent deaths, it's actually seeing it. And even then, they can only truly confirm this if it's close to the time they WILL die (A few days or so). So basically, for someone like Sakura he'd be getting a feeling she's possibly about to keel over. For someone he's about to blow the head off of, no such warning because he's the cause.
I'm mostly running off of memory on the Sight since the last time I read geist but I'm pretty sure of the 'Can tell when someone will die if it's soon' ability.
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Huh...kinda reminded me of the Shinigami Eyes from Death Note.
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120704033931/deathnote/images/2/2e/DEATH_NOTE_-_29_-_Large_19.jpg)
Hang on, does the guy on the right have something like 1000 years to live...?
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Hang on, does the guy on the right have something like 1000 years to live...?
Nope. From what I remember, Shinigami Eyes display a person's remaining lifespan in days.
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Hang on, does the guy on the right have something like 1000 years to live...?
Nope. From what I remember, Shinigami Eyes display a person's remaining lifespan in days.
Yes, 351,011 days, which is about 1000 years....
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Ah, OK, read a bit again; it's not displayed in days exactly; it involved a math equation which would convert it to human years...which the creator forgot, apparently.
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I did some math.
The average velocity of buckshot from a 12 gauge out of a muzzle is 1300 FPS. We're within likely 12 feet. THe risk of spread is basically nill at this range. It's going to blow a .75 caliber hole in whatever it hits. The bullets are moving faster than the human brain or body can react at this range, we're talking in thousandths of a second between trigger pull and impact.
Conner is dead because Sakura is an idiot.
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Magic is faster, sorry
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Magic is faster, sorry
>Magic is faster than the human brain can react to send the command to use magic
You what. Dude, going by math Connor just got his entire chest cavity shredded to bits simply because he'd have to move at near LIGHT SPEEDS to dodge that shot.
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The tonfa blasters are magic weapons that do not require Sakura to do anything but pull the trigger, a trigger she pulled before Lawrence. In short arch your math amounts to nothing
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Magos, the rules of the RP are quite explicit, you are not allowed to kill someone else's character without their consent. Full stop. If Lantz does not want Connor to die then Connor does not die.
And, I'm pretty sure your maths is way off there. If the shot moves at 1300 FPS and they're within 12 feet, then Connor needs to move at about 100 FPS to avoid it (he only needs to move a foot or so). Which is pretty doable I think.
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The tonfa blasters are magic weapons that do not require Sakura to do anything but pull the trigger, a trigger she pulled before Lawrence. In short arch your math amounts to nothing
...And they do shit to him because of his magic resistance and the Caul. Congrats. Did you even read my profile.
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Magos, the rules of the RP are quite explicit, you are not allowed to kill someone else's character without their consent. Full stop. If Lantz does not want Connor to die then Connor does not die.
And, I'm pretty sure your maths is way off there. If the shot moves at 1300 FPS and they're within 12 feet, then Connor needs to move at about 100 FPS to avoid it. Which is pretty doable I think.
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He needs to move a sufficient distance to avoid the shot that he doesn't even have time to react to.
This hits him in .009 seconds. For the sake of argument, let's say that's slightly slower than his reaction time, .008 seconds. So he has 1/1000th of a second to move out of the way. He's breaking the sound barrier at the very least to pull that off.
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I don't know what his reaction time is, honestly.
But, regardless, the rules are quite explicit, you cannot kill a character without the consent of the person who is playing them. No exceptions. Even if Lantz has to pull something out of his ass to avoid it he is fully entitled to do so.
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This is just a brief suggestion for Arch but could you post a list of how Lawrence would perceive various characters, justr so we can look back to it to see what Lawrence and RD's reaction to a certain character's presence would be. For Example we know that Lawrence & RD are reacting badly to say the least to Connor, but how would he react to the others of questionable origin? This list is just to be safe after all and so that he can explain everything for future reference, so we can make sure Arch doesn't have to argue his case again.
I'd also like to know how he'd react to Seras or Imiganai, so I can gauge how to properly react.
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This is just a brief suggestion for Arch but could you post a list of how Lawrence would perceive various characters, justr so we can look back to it to see what Lawrence and RD's reaction to a certain character's presence would be. For Example we know that Lawrence & RD are reacting badly to say the least to Connor, but how would he react to the others of questionable origin? This list is just to be safe after all and so that he can explain everything for future reference, so we can make sure Arch doesn't have to argue his case again.
I'd also like to know how he'd react to Seras or Imiganai, so I can gauge how to properly react.
Imigami is more like a Kerberos than anything else. She emits spiritual energy, so he's going to treat her like a potentially hostile spirit.
Seras he's going to flat out think is possesed
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Sakura has A rank ability which because the Tonfa are fueled by Sakura mean that they are also considered rank A. Last I checked A is higher than B.
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I don't know what his reaction time is, honestly.
But, regardless, the rules are quite explicit, you cannot kill a character without the consent of the person who is playing them. No exceptions. Even if Lantz has to pull something out of his ass to avoid it he is fully entitled to do so.
Right, but let's face it, .007 seconds is far faster than the human limit of .01 seconds. I'm already throwing him a big bone here. Even with an asspull this is going to repeat until Lawrence is out of ammo and then just straight up Curses the dude...
Or uses the Boneyard to steal those projected swords to throw at him.
Sakura has A rank ability which because the Tonfa are fueled by Sakura mean that they are also considered rank A. Last I checked A is higher than B.
So? THe Caul still basically keeps him standing. While it's going he could have a fist sized hole in his chest and keep going, because he doesn't need his body to live while it's active. MR soaks most of it, then he just takes the rest like a champ. Or the MR just takes it all because IIRC it negates everything short of three verse aria's and greater rituals.
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Right, but let's face it, .007 seconds is far faster than the human limit of .01 seconds.
He's not human, though....
I'm already throwing him a big bone here. Even with an asspull this is going to repeat until Lawrence is out of ammo and then just straight up Curses the dude...
Where are you throwing him a bone?
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Right, but let's face it, .007 seconds is far faster than the human limit of .01 seconds.
He's not human, though....
I'm already throwing him a big bone here. Even with an asspull this is going to repeat until Lawrence is out of ammo and then just straight up Curses the dude...
Where are you throwing him a bone?
The .007 seconds.
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Hmm, would it be possible for Kiyoshi to act to knock the gun before it fired? That's the only obvious solution I can see here.
I doubt multiple shots are a problem, we have several very fast-moving people in the house who will make sure Lawrence doesn't get another one....
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Hmm, would it be possible for Kiyoshi to act to knock the gun before it fired? That's the only obvious solution I can see here.
THat's actually the worst damn thing to do in this situation because you'll probably end up knocking it so the round catches Sakura or Connor's head. For that matter I don't think he's even tall enough to give that a shot. And considering you just saw Lawrence shrug off those blasts like water off a ducks back, AND Sakura fired first, do you really want him to switch to an easier target IE you?
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I would imagine that knocking the gun would give enough time for other people to jump in....
And, well, he could knock it to the side. Or they could duck....
Kiyoshi isn't going to let you kill Connor, not a chance in hell. Sakura fired first because you provoked her, as far as Kiyoshi is concerned that is quite reasonable.
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Arch stop. I will magic my way out if you persist.
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I would imagine that knocking the gun would give enough time for other people to jump in....
And, well, he could knock it to the side. Or they could duck....
Kiyoshi isn't going to let you kill Connor, not a chance in hell. Sakura fired first because you provoked her, as far as Kiyoshi is concerned that is quite reasonable.
Provoked? I never even aimed it at her. I gave her a warning to back off, and when she decided to open fire I responded in kind at my original target.
The reaction time issue is still a thing here, and hitting it to the side does the same damn thing, that barrel could swing anywhere, most likely onto Sakura or Taiga or still on Conner. This is absurdly close range here, jarring it is not the best option.
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Guys, let's just wait for Elf here, alright?
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I would imagine that knocking the gun would give enough time for other people to jump in....
And, well, he could knock it to the side. Or they could duck....
Kiyoshi isn't going to let you kill Connor, not a chance in hell. Sakura fired first because you provoked her, as far as Kiyoshi is concerned that is quite reasonable.
Provoked? I never even aimed it at her. I gave her a warning to back off, and when she decided to open fire I responded in kind at my original target.
The reaction time issue is still a thing here, and hitting it to the side does the same damn thing, that barrel could swing anywhere, most likely onto Sakura or Taiga or still on Conner. This is absurdly close range here, jarring it is not the best option.
You aimed at Connor, who is Sakura's friend. It is entirely reasonable for her to act to protect him.
And, hitting it to the side makes him miss to that side. As long as there is no-one stood in that direction it is fine.
Guys, let's just wait for Elf here, alright?
Yeah, we probably need her to resolve this....
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And, hitting it to the side makes him miss to that side. As long as there is no-one stood in that direction it is fine.
Guys, let's just wait for Elf here, alright?
Yeah, we probably need her to resolve this....
OK.
Here's the thing - this is a short ass shotgun barrel wise. As in, the hand grip is pretty much next to it. Knocking it off target to the side isn't gonna happen to the extent that you want. At best, you probably just got Sakura's arm blown off, at worst Connors arm and a nice chunk of his chest.
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Angra took the blast and has wolves, she can take more bullets then you have arch, Lawrence lost no resolution needed.
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Again, let Elf decide. I'd say this is firmly in GM ruling territory here, so let's just end the discussion for now until she has her say, is that clear?
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Well, it only needs to be knocked by about 6 degrees or so to make it miss, I think he could manage that.
Still, Lantz has resolved it anyway, so it doesn't matter now.
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Angra took the blast and has wolves, she can take more bullets then you have arch, Lawrence lost no resolution needed.
Haha no. We're going to need Elf to sort this shit out and otherwise people are going to die. And it's likely going to include Lawrence, but he at least can get better. Also, he's a sin eater. AHAHAHA THANKS FOR THE FREE PLASM BITCH, THEM WOLVES BE TASTY.
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Again, let Elf decide. I'd say this is firmly in GM ruling territory here, so let's just end the discussion for now until she has her say, is that clear?
Right. Of course Lantz ignored that but he can always just delete that post.
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Lantz posted before Alice did, so I don't see any problem whatsoever.
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...Yeah, didn't notice lantz's post, sorry. ...that's. Uh. I hate to say it lantz, but that seems to be more than a bit of a stretch. Like a major stretch.
Again, wait for Elf. Let her decide. Like I said, this is firmly in GM ruling territory now.
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Lantz posted before Alice did, so I don't see any problem whatsoever.
This was firmly in GM territory after that shot and argument. Wait for Elf.
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Alright, from here on out, no more discussion on this specific topic (IE: Law vs. lantz's charas and Kiyoshi) until Elf gets in here. Otherwise I may have to get a bit firm.
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Game will be dead in the water for two hours or so. I think that sucks since the fight literally held no point whatsoever.
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Well, I was going to be going to bed pretty soon anyway, and we'd have needed to wait for Elf to answer the door, so I don't think we lost much.
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lantz, what did I say about dropping it?
And yeah, pretty much what Cherry said.
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I said nothing about the fight I pointed out the time lapse between now and when elf is usually around
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lantz, stop. Wait for Elf. Do this one more time, and I'll have to get harsher, understood?
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I would just like to say something about the players and their characters. However, I'm not going to discuss the issue between Lawrence and the others. It's related though.
Why do you guys participate in a self-running RP if you can't accept your characters dying?
If one character can't die, it basically;
1/ Destroys any point in engaging them in combat. (Unless it's sparring between two players for fun or skirmishes with unnamed npcs, which, I hope from the bottom of my heart, won't constitute the essential part of the fights)
2/ Ruins any tension when dangerous situations happen.
3/ Makes the whole RP boring, because it's close to godmodding. Yes, not dying is basically cheating.
I understand that you brought characters you created and/or that you like in. I understand that you don't want them to get stomped. I understand, trust me. And that's one of the reason why I did come up with a bunch of OC characters. However, even if I went with characters already existing, I wouldn't mind them dying, even in such an unexpected event which justified three pages worth of argument.
Why? Because player characters dying are tools to move the story forward. Enmity, anger, grudge, affliction, regrets, sadness, doubt, etc... are as much elements to use in order to develop your other characters and even generate mini-story arcs. How they react to it, how they adapt to the situation, how they move on, how they decide that it's time for payback, etc... Drama is a good thing. Don't reject it stubbornly for your own satisfaction to keep more PCs around. It can benefit greatly not only for you, but also for others.
If my characters die, I'll bring others. It's not really a problem to me. If your characters die, what will you do? Stop RPing? Don't be like that. We're there to have a good time. If they die, they die. Just part of the game. Nothing much happens outside the RP. Shrug it off and think about how you can exploit the situation to make the whole thing more interesting for everyone.
Finally, asking the GM to choose for you what's going to happen is only a temporary solution. Settle the problem between yourself like adults. If the GM decides something that doesn't go your way, you'll get mad. (Perhaps enough to drop the RP)
a/ If Elf decides Lawrence fails at reaching Connor with his shot, Arch will argue how impossible that it is at that range. (And also adding the fact that he could always shoot again anyway)
b/ If Elf decides that Sakura/Connor doesn't have a way to stop/avoid the shot, Lantz loses a character.
c/ If Elf decides to intervene in another way, it will only be for this time. A similar situation will eventually arise again. And even in the case we wait for the GM to choose once again, it will lock any confrontation in the future because nobody will want this or that character dead.
I really don't want to argue over details about who's in right or not, who's supposed to get the upper hand in the situation right now, etc... Simply, we shouldn't have to rely on Elf for this. Not siding with anyone, but if we want this to work out, people will have to make compromises.
Just my two cents, anyway.
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Right Daiki, not letting your characters die just... kills everything else about the game. Mind you I'd accept Elf's ruling no matter what, but honestly, it shouldn't have to have came down to this. I'm fine with Lawrence dying - if he does, yes, he can get back up but that takes a lot of time (Ingame time. Like a good day or so) and he's going to be a hobbling cripple for even longer.
Hell, making a character that doesn't have the chance of death boggles my mind. I mean, it's not like you can't just shrug your shoulders and make a new character and use the old's death to advance plots or spur character development or some shit.
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Yeah I kinda agree with Daiki with this one...
Also, where the hell are Lawrence and Taiga and others? Are they outside the door?
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Well, part of the rule is that a player can choose if their character dies or not.
Or hell, the reasonable thing would have been for Connor to have gotten shot, but he could have dodged at the last moment. So while it wouldn't have been a fatal blow, he still would have gotten hurt.
I can understand about not wanting a character to die. However if you're not willing for them to get hurt, that's something else all together. In this game your characters can get hurt. If someone is going to land a killing blow I'll allow it that they won't die, but they're sure as hell not going to go unscathed either.
I'm saying they're in the garage, that's the point of entry before the compound proper.
Also, "Rice Burner" is a slang term for a Japanese sports car.
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Yeah I kinda agree with Daiki with this one...
Also, where the hell are Lawrence and Taiga and others? Are they outside the door?
I'm actually in the door way.
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Elf said we don't have to allow our characters to die, and honestly I can't see how any of mine could die without completely ruining the RP for the rest. If Kiyoshi was killed then Sakura would have a complete breakdown, and would hunt Lawrence down.
The idea of this RP is for us to have fun, and killing a character off makes a massive difference to that. Just because you are OK with losing characters like that, it doesn't mean the rest of us are, especially to a random unprovoked attack like that.
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Elf said we don't have to allow our characters to die, and honestly I can't see how any of mine could die without completely ruining the RP for the rest. If Kiyoshi was killed then Sakura would have a complete breakdown, and would hunt Lawrence down.
The idea of this RP is for us to have fun, and killing a character off makes a massive difference to that. Just because you are OK with losing characters like that, it doesn't mean the rest of us are, especially to a random unprovoked attack like that.
>Unprovoked
I gave him fair warning that he could explain his shit. Instead, Lantz decided Sakura needed to become Rambo and try to fry Lawrences ass. The result was entirely justified.
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I think that people who are fine with having their characters die (Or people who don't want all their characters dead but are fine with one or two specifically kicking the bucket) should raise their hands (metaphorically) so we all know who we can go full ham on.
I for one am totally okay with anyone of my characters dying, but I'm not too sure on if Inferno Cop can. He's a god, has died once to become Inferno Cop and hits survival ratings of 120% because he can.
Oh, and if he does die, it involves him becoming a giant ghost in Arizona.
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I have no issue with characters dying, I take issue with them dying for no reason. Which is exactly what this fight was death without reason. As for Angra I promised elf she'd show up awhile ago and this just forced that up a bit.
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I think that people who are fine with having their characters die (Or people who don't want all their characters dead but are fine with one or two specifically kicking the bucket) should raise their hands (metaphorically) so we all know who we can go full ham on.
I for one am totally okay with anyone of my characters dying, but I'm not too sure on if Inferno Cop can. He's a god, has died once to become Inferno Cop and hits survival ratings of 120% because he can.
Oh, and if he does die, it involves him becoming a giant ghost in Arizona.
Perfectly fine with mine getting offed.
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Well, part of the rule is that a player can choose if their character dies or not.
Yeah, that's why I suggested to resolve the issue through discussion between the parties involved.
Elf said we don't have to allow our characters to die, and honestly I can't see how any of mine could die without completely ruining the RP for the rest. If Kiyoshi was killed then Sakura would have a complete breakdown, and would hunt Lawrence down.
You're simply rejecting such development, but it's totally a viable option. Well, you're case is a bit special because it's a family and all, but the point still stands.
The idea of this RP is for us to have fun, and killing a character off makes a massive difference to that.
So, your idea of fun is just to have a bunch of immortals PCs? Fair enough, it's your choice, after all.
Just because you are OK with losing characters like that, it doesn't mean the rest of us are,
That's getting personal, when I really didn't want it to be, but okay.
Look, you brought an happy family in a setting where they could die and yet you refuse to lose anybody?
Don't you think there's already a problem here?
especially to a random unprovoked attack like that.
That's the whole point to have characters of different horizons involved. If you are supposed to know when stuff will happen, what point is there to even play?
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Oh yes I would also like to remind people of two things:
1)I am still playing this RP, despite my long absences.
2)Ran is still in the building, and heard the shots. lololol
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Two of my five characters are mortals, one is a Dracul-Type Vampiress, one is a Vasto Lorde-level Arrancar, and one is a Hulk. The Only ones that are in any immediate danger of being killed are Mu and Kusagari, as they have to dodge all the deadly shit that gets thrown their way.
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Only character of mine I don't want killed is Forest. Simply because she's Landlady and sort of a mediator too. However it doesn't mean I don't want to see the shit get beat out of her on occasion.
However Lancer and Dark Archer are game for the choir eternal if it happens.
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However it doesn't mean I don't want to see the shit get beat out of her on occasion.
I will create a character solely for the purpose of making that happen.
I will call him...
Lumberjack.
I've been waiting over a year to make that terribad joke. Don't judge me.
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While I'd really rather not have my characters die, if it has to come to that, then yeah. Though make sure you ask me first before you do that. Though there's one I will let die more easily if the situation calls for it. ...I'm not going to spoil who it is though, it keeps the suspense up. :P (though if you really need to know, I'll blab via PM)
Also, what happens with the Law/lantz's group situation? I still feel that Angra's intervention was really out of nowhere, even if apparently there was some sort of character motivation behind it.
...And I'm gonna post, I promise I promise I promise. >_< Though I want to make sure this is resolved before I try and post so if there's anything that needs to be changed, deleted, etc, there isn't as much stuff to sort through, unless people are cool with me still posting in spite of that.
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Lumberjack.
You know, he has to be Canadian right?
I've been waiting over a year to make that terribad joke. Don't judge me.
It got a grin out of me, so I won't judge.
Plus a year?
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He's a lumberjack and he's ok!
...there, I made a joke worse than Names. :P ...Please don't hurt me. :(
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Go ahead and post.
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Alrighty.
....And about the situation resolution thingie. I am dumb and didn't read the most recent RP posts, so unless there's additional stuff to add that's specific to my question, never mind. ^_^"
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Mu is still with Downy, Kusagari is still at the Police Station, Imiganai is in the park, Joe is doing his thing, and Seras is still roaming the city.
Wait if Joe is running the city's crime, wouldn't he 'need' to come by the apartment to collect the 'Monthly Insurance' fee and with Forest being the new Landlady, who better to do the 'collecting' then the boss himself? If it is okay with Elf, that is.
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Well, if Mr. Fixit tries to collect protection money from her, she's going to give him a nasty surprise.
Also, Magos, the reason I'm making the Redhead Diver's mind speak green is because . . . well, it's easier to read than the red with the normal background.
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Off topic a bit, and I'll probably redirect people to the appropriate thread if this garners enough of a response, but... do I need to fix the styles? ^_^" If it's universally hard on the eyes for a good number of the custom styles, then I probably need to start changing some things.
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You know, he has to be Canadian right?
Plad shirt, overalls, tuque, big ol' bushy beard and armed with an old fashioned ax and two-person saw.
And he likes hockey, poutine and beer.
(I'm canadian I can totally stereotype about myself)
I've been waiting over a year to make that terribad joke. Don't judge me.
It got a grin out of me, so I won't judge.
Plus a year?
Yeah, you've had Forest's name in your sig since forever. Or you advertised at one point and I noticed, or something. All I know is that I saw it not long after I joined BL, and immediately started thinking up funny names of adversaries to the vampire lady with a big gun, a big mouth and a love of pop culture. Or it went something like that, at least.
If I remember well, the advertising had something to do about a scream queen. A quick google search proves me right, and it fits the timeline! Neat.
I should probably read that before I keep going on your jukepop stuff for linearity's sake.
And yes I do read your stuff. I am just not very loud about these things.
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...And I'm gonna post, I promise I promise I promise. >_<
*Stares*
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Well, if Mr. Fixit tries to collect protection money from her, she's going to give him a nasty surprise.
I figured that but he is actually pretty fair about the money, so long as he gets some money from the place and the amount remains the same every month, then he is inclined to leave them be. Though considering she can read minds and Joe is not aware that she is a telepath, means that she can get the upper hand in negotiations. Plus is Joe recognises Lawrence and asks him about the job, Forest can get a glimpse of the Job he offered Lawrence through Lawrence's mind.
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Plad shirt, overalls, tuque, big ol' bushy beard and armed with an old fashioned ax and two-person saw.
And he likes hockey, poutine and beer.
(I'm canadian I can totally stereotype about myself)
One of my best friends is Canadian, actually. However my first introduction to Canadians was Wolverine on the X-Men Cartoon. So I thought all Canadians were tiny ass kickers wearing flannel shirts that went where they wanted to.
Yeah, you've had Forest's name in your sig since forever. Or you advertised at one point and I noticed, or something. All I know is that I saw it not long after I joined BL, and immediately started thinking up funny names of adversaries to the vampire lady with a big gun, a big mouth and a love of pop culture. Or it went something like that, at least.
If I remember well, the advertising had something to do about a scream queen. A quick google search proves me right, and it fits the timeline! Neat.
I should probably read that before I keep going on your jukepop stuff for linearity's sake.
And yes I do read your stuff. I am just not very loud about these things.
Actually, "Scream Queen" is going to get a complete over haul after "The Stolen" is finished. And it'll hopefully become a serial as well. Hopefully.
I figured that but he is actually pretty fair about the money, so long as he gets some money from the place and the amount remains the same every month, then he is inclined to leave them be. Though considering she can read minds and Joe is not aware that she is a telepath, means that she can get the upper hand in negotiations. Plus is Joe recognises Lawrence and asks him about the job, Forest can get a glimpse of the Job he offered Lawrence through Lawrence's mind.
Yeah, she's not like on Professor X level, but Emma would have a hard time with her. Forest is absurdly telepathic, but she doesn't like to use it offensively. (Plus she was never really taught how to use her powers to their fullest extent.)
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So I totally missed the entire shitstorm with lantz raging about Magos doing something awesome, but did someone mention a certain mob boss? Cus Axe Cop is kinda pissed that both his targets managed to cowardly escape the axe of justice, and now he's really itching to chop some heads off. Sounds like this Mr. Fixit dude is gonna get a visit from the local law enforcement soon.
oh right, and he has this to say
"That ghost girl is getting her head chopped off. That speeder is getting his wheels chopped off, and he'll be forced to pimp my ride as punishment."
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*Stares*
...I deserve that. ^_^" Anyway, I'm going to try and post now, even if it's in parts again.
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Lawrence, you just got hugged by a half naked vampire chick.
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Does the apartment has steps leading up to the door or what? Joe is coming over to talk about a few things
Sounds like this Mr. Fixit dude is gonna get a visit from the local law enforcement soon.
Arresting a Hulk is like insulting Wolverine, damn stupid.
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Does the apartment has steps leading up to the door or what? Joe is coming over to talk about a few things
The main entrance is through the garage, underground. There's not really a "front door".
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Arresting a Hulk is like insulting Wolverine, damn stupid.
What kind of cops do you take us for? The smart kind?
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Axe Cop and Doom Cop are my fav' characters no doubt. Wanna see more of them.
...I deserve that. ^_^" Anyway, I'm going to try and post now, even if it's in parts again.
I'm only poking fun. Don't stress over it.
Also, Elf, you should draw us a plan or something.
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Also, Elf, you should draw us a plan or something.
Elf has no artistic abilities.
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A rough thing created with paint would do.
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I'd say go to the castle mord but mike is betaing and adding stuff so Rider and Satoshi are tied up for the moment. I doubt Alter would favor a visit
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Arresting a Hulk is like insulting Wolverine, damn stupid.
You're talking to the guy who tried arresting a ghost lady with A++ in all stats. The guy whose solution to every problem is 'go to dinosaur planet, acquire dinosaurs'. The guy who was literally written up by a 5 year old boy, and whose mustache contains secret weapons of mass destruction.
Hulk's getting arrested, and it'll be hilarious. :D
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Bloble has a point LOL
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Joe has laid eyes on Lawrence's car and is thinking about the Job he offered, Lawrence is about to get a better glimpse of Joe's soul
Hulk's getting arrested, and it'll be hilarious. :D
Okay I would be humorous, especially if the axe failed to even cut Joe's skin much less bruise it.
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It's okay. Axe Cop's got other weapons. It wouldn't be the first time he had to bust out the crazy stuff.
On a side note, do you have anything you want Kusagari to do in particular? I feel bad about basically leaving him in the station while running off to chase bad guys.
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On a side note, do you have anything you want Kusagari to do in particular?
Having him watch over the police station and keep things running smoothly while the others are out.
I feel bad about basically leaving him in the station while running off to chase bad guys.
Not to worry, Kusagari (or GunCop as he has been dubbed by AxeCop) it is better to have one guy at the station then nobody there and then have to break down the down with a certain axe
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Erm, did you guys forget that Kiyoshi is still in the room...?
Only character of mine I don't want killed is Forest. Simply because she's Landlady and sort of a mediator too. However it doesn't mean I don't want to see the shit get beat out of her on occasion.
However Lancer and Dark Archer are game for the choir eternal if it happens.
I don't want any of mine to die, honestly, I'm too attached to them and I would hate to see Sakura get hurt like that....
Them getting harmed is OK, though, although I would rather nothing permanent.
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Erm, did you guys forget that Kiyoshi is still in the room...?
I don't want any of mine to die, honestly, I'm too attached to them and I would hate to see Sakura get hurt like that....
Them getting harmed is OK, though, although I would rather nothing permanent.
Sorta, yeah. Mind you he couldn't have done much.
Also, being that attached to a character is a problem. I should run you through the Tomb of Horrors a few times. That should solve the problem.
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Sorta, yeah. Mind you he couldn't have done much.
He could have spoken up at least.
Also, being that attached to a character is a problem. I should run you through the Tomb of Horrors a few times. That should solve the problem.
How long have you known me...?
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Long enough to know that the horrible demise of every PC you make and care about is the only cure for this. PC death is a beautiful and natural thing. You need to accept this.
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By the die, and the Gygax, and the luck of the roll, Amen.
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Long enough to know that the horrible demise of every PC you make and care about is the only cure for this. PC death is a beautiful and natural thing. You need to accept this.
This isn't a standard RP, though, and I didn't make these characters for it specifically, so it's different. These characters have actual backstory and I have real attachment to them.
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This isn't a standard RP, though, and I didn't make these characters for it specifically, so it's different. These characters have actual backstory and I have real attachment to them.
I was like that too, few years ago. And then, I met Rogue Trader.
The joy to play successively a Slaaneshi Painboy, a Blind Kroot with unending hunger (This one ate two PCs before trying Lictor meat in a frenzy. Ended up as fucked up as a Chaos Spawn), and my good ol' Guardsman chick who died in a mighty last stand facing a veritable army of (six) drunk Snotlings.
These guys all had a great backstory, but I laughed my butt off when they reached their last moments.
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Yeah, but, again, this is different. These aren't RP characters, these are characters I made up to use in a story or copied from Nasu. There's no way I'm willing to just let them die.
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The game is fundamentally about interaction and development. It is not a table top RPG where there is risk and reward where characters can or should die from minor skirmishes. The premise is far removed from a game system where random chance wins the day so really the rest of you should stop treating it like a p&p RPG.
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Yeah, this.
This isn't meant to be a D&D-style RPG where your characters can be thrown away without thought. Our characters here have real development and personalities. If part of that development involves them dying then fine, but it should be our decision, rather than having it forced on us by other players.
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Even D&D is intended to be cooperative. Player versus player stuff is honestly more of an online gaming concept.
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Don't you guys ever laugh or something? The point is to relax a bit.
I really don't care if you want to persist with it or not. Just wanted to better the mood, but I guess that was clearly pointless.
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Sorry daiki that didn't come across. And yes I laugh rather easily but I've said it before this fight was pointless and Arch is not someone I enjoy dealing with period so I'm not exactly in the mood to chuckle dude.
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You know, Magos, Kiyoshi's swords aren't normal, they have anti-spirit properties and can cut better than a normal sword could. I'm not sure how exactly he would end up just slashing a bit of muscle like you're claiming he did....
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You know, Magos, Kiyoshi's swords aren't normal, they have anti-spirit properties and can cut better than a normal sword could. I'm not sure how exactly he would end up just slashing a bit of muscle like you're claiming he did....
How the fuck was I supposed to know that?
EDIT: Oh, it's hidden in a corner of his profile under other abilities. Huh.
He's still 11 though, so that shouldn't have had enough force to do much more than just scrape the bone.
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You know, Magos, Kiyoshi's swords aren't normal, they have anti-spirit properties and can cut better than a normal sword could. I'm not sure how exactly he would end up just slashing a bit of muscle like you're claiming he did....
How the fuck was I supposed to know that?
EDIT: Oh, it's hidden in a corner of his profile under other abilities. Huh.
But, yet, you managed to pick up on Connor's supernatural appearance field thing and use that to justify attempted murder (which you clearly thought would succeed)...?
He's still 11 though, so that shouldn't have had enough force to do much more than just scrape the bone.
He's not going to be particularly strong, no, but nor is he insanely weak. I guess he might not cut through bone, but he can certainly cut through the muscle at least....
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You know, Magos, Kiyoshi's swords aren't normal, they have anti-spirit properties and can cut better than a normal sword could. I'm not sure how exactly he would end up just slashing a bit of muscle like you're claiming he did....
How the fuck was I supposed to know that?
EDIT: Oh, it's hidden in a corner of his profile under other abilities. Huh.
But, yet, you managed to pick up on Connor's supernatural appearance field thing and use that to justify attempted murder (which you clearly thought would succeed)...?
He's still 11 though, so that shouldn't have had enough force to do much more than just scrape the bone.
He's not going to be particularly strong, no, but nor is he insanely weak. I guess he might not cut through bone, but he can certainly cut through the muscle at least....
Yeah, post is edited - and Connor's profile is bare bones, and it's lantz's own damn fault for including the Extradimensional shit. Without that, Lawrence wouldn't have given a fuck about him. I didn't care if it would succeed or not, but the fact that it didn't isn't particularly bothering me. It was an honest in character action, which could have been resolved without violence if Sakura hadn't opened fire.
Meanwhile, Kyoshi's character post is a god damn text nightmare to navigate. It took me two readthroughs to find his swords special properties, you'd think that'd be under abilities.
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It sure as hell didn't seem like it was going to be resolved peacefully based on how you were acting. And the "extradimensional shit" was not written in with your characters in mind, it's just part of Connor's backstory. Nor can you reasonably call it "Sueish", either.
And, the swords stuff is under "abilities". "Other abilities" is part of that....
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You aimed a deadly weapon and then shouted an order and started a three count. That was not a situation that reasonably resolves peacefully, nor do I believe your claim about an honest character action given your arguments earlier.
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You aimed a deadly weapon and then shouted an order and started a three count. That was not a situation that reasonably resolves peacefully, nor do I believe your claim about an honest character action given your arguments earlier.
>Gives you three seconds to back off and have another character (rationally) say "Why are you aiming at him", or "What the fuck dude!", or "Why?" thus prompting explanation and conflict resolution and also providing information about Lawrence and WHY he hates these things
>Instead, Sakura decides to skip the three count and start shooting him, which is what lead to DM intervention
Congrats lantz.
And Mike, I was callng Connor suish based on his stats. I still feel that they're too damn high, and his backstory of training is bullshit, but that pact? Could make sense, but the way it's implemented is stupid and just as likely to get him killed as protect him.
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You aimed a deadly weapon and then shouted an order and started a three count. That was not a situation that reasonably resolves peacefully, nor do I believe your claim about an honest character action given your arguments earlier.
>Gives you three seconds to back off and have another character (rationally) say "Why are you aiming at him", or "What the fuck dude!", or "Why?" thus prompting explanation and conflict resolution and also providing information about Lawrence and WHY he hates these things
>Instead, Sakura decides to skip the three count and start shooting him, which is what lead to DM intervention
If someone aims a gun at you out of the blue and starts counting, you don't bother asking why, you just deal with it....
And, why the hell would she wait for Lawrence to start shooting before she does? She had the opportunity to knock him out first (and the gun is non-fatal, too) and deal with the problem there and then. She didn't know he had magic resistance....
but that pact? Could make sense, but the way it's implemented is stupid and just as likely to get him killed as protect him.
What? Why should everything in a character's profile always be designed to maximise their chances of survival? This isn't D&D....
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Mike, please stop talking shit about D&D. Thank you.
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If someone aims a gun at you out of the blue and starts counting, you don't bother asking why, you just deal with it....
And, why the hell would she wait for Lawrence to start shooting before she does? She had the opportunity to knock him out first (and the gun is non-fatal, too) and deal with the problem there and then. She didn't know he had magic resistance....
but that pact? Could make sense, but the way it's implemented is stupid and just as likely to get him killed as protect him.
What? Why should everything in a character's profile always be designed to maximise their chances of survival? This isn't D&D....
No, it's not D&D or another RPG system, but at the same time that's more a curse than a blessing. But that's just how I see it.
And don't talk shit about D&D. Ever. D&D made RPG's visible to the majority of the population and popularized the hobby. Without D&D, we woudn't have the classic d20 system style of play, or so many of the wonderful systems that inspired Nasu. We wouldn't have that wonderful crazy mix of magic and cyberpunk that is Shadowrun, the horrifying decent into the mythos that is Call of Cthulu and Delta Green, the Urban Fantasy of the World of Darkness, the rich versatility of GURPS, the tongue in cheek nature of Munchkin, or the abomination that is FATAL.
D&D made shit like the Nasuverse possible. Nasu is a huge fan of pen and paper RPG games. Hell, Red Dragon is a campaign he and a few other writers were part of.
So Mike - Dare ye enter my magical realm?
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My point is that D&D is a specific system for running a specific type of RP, and this is not that type of RP, by design. D&D is about battles and campaigning, this is about character development.
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My point is that D&D is a specific system for running a specific type of RP, and this is not that type of RP, by design. D&D is about battles and campaigning, this is about character development.
...Your ignorance is showing.
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My point is that D&D is a specific system for running a specific type of RP, and this is not that type of RP, by design. D&D is about battles and campaigning, this is about character development.
I won't resent you for making that assumption. It's a common one. Most people see D&D as exactly what you described.
But please, believe me when I tell you that it's so, so much more than that. What you described are the most basic aspects. You described a Naruto, One Piece, or Bleach. But you've never seen the other, less well known stuff. Hell, neither have I for the most part. But I've glimpsed the depths, even if I have yet to truly plumb them, and I can tell you that D&D and other tabletop roleplaying systems can match or even exceed the level of character development seen here easily.
for more info please dial 1-800-A(rch)M(agos)W(inter)
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Yeah, I'm not denying that it can, I'm saying that it is not originally designed for that purpose. It is a different system which is more adversarial than the system used in this RP, and deliberately so, because it's aimed at doing different things.
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Yeah, I'm not denying that it can, I'm saying that it is not originally designed for that purpose. It is a different system which is more adversarial than the system used in this RP, and deliberately so, because it's aimed at doing different things.
...No. Fuck no. D&D is a system based around guess what - TELLING STORIES. It's all about character development - hell, the very system has inspired entire WORLDS of character development. The Dragonlance and Grayhawk novels, just for starters. Hell, the level system - BASED AROUND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. It's a system made for both running characters through scenarios, for mindless 'I attack the goblins,' for epic tales of tragedy or even romance.
Its' not designed for any one thing. It's designed as a framework for multiple types of play.
Wait, you want maybe a system focused less around say, fantasy? Well, the FATE system or the World of Darkness both provide very adaptable frameworks. Hell, I could even run this RP using Big Motherfucking Crab Truckers system. It's not about the system, it's how you fucking use it. If you prefer a d20 system, guess what, there's a bunch for that. Storyteller Urban Fantasy? There's an entire FAMILY of gamelines for that. Science fiction? There's one for that.
And the beautiful thing, is that at their core, they can be used to run any sort of RP focused campaign. It isn't all about the stats Mike, and if someone thinks that they are wrong. Dead wrong.
For that matter are you going to post a response in the RP to all this or are you just going to keep bitching about nothing?
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Yeah, sorry, I'm not feeling too great right now....
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Yeah, sorry, I'm not feeling too great right now....
Bullshit. You were bitching that we didn't wait for your reaction earlier. So just post.
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Magos, calm down. And bring the swearing to an absolute minimum.
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Yeah, sorry, I'm not feeling too great right now....
Bullshit. You were bitching that we didn't wait for your reaction earlier. So just post.
Yes, I was, but then something came up....
There's also quite a lot to respond to, since you guys kept going on for so long, which makes it a lot harder.
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Alright, while I think the cost is mostly clear for now, everyone calm down. ...I go away to get my hair cut and other stuff for several hours, and this happens. :-\
Also, apologies for not posting in the RP last night as planned, it turns out that my PC that I was using to post (and that's been having internet problems in general, partially responsible for my spotty activity this past week or two) won't even turn on at this point. So basically at that point I decided stewing in my own frustration wasn't going to do me a lick of good, so I went to sleep. ...I swear I have the anti-luck.
I have my laptop, thankfully, which I'm posting from now, so while I'll have to track down the stuff I have to respond to again, I'll do my best to get a post done tonight.
Also, in terms of enlightening Mike about D&D, it sounds really odd, but I honestly think something like the Baldur's Gate Trilogy may be a great place to start, even though it's not the actual table top RPG. It's what got me interested in RPing to begin with, although until Cross Effects, I never actually got the chance to actually play (I *did* try to start a game when I was in high school based on some of the newbie stuff and the base Rule Book, but it didn't end up working out ^_^"). It helped inspire me to transition from being completely clueless about table top games to being mostly clueless, so there's that.
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Planescape Torment or nuthin'.
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You sir are a brave one
anyway all this talk got me to throw up a game skeleton in the RP section
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Damn, I'm not going to get my post written today. I had some other (forum-related) stuff to deal with and I've not been able to get it finished due to the amount of stuff I needed to reply to.
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Planescape Torment or nuthin'.
I need to play Torment- I keep reading about how awesome it is and yet I have yet to play it. ^_^" Ah well, I'll correct that someday.
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I still need for Elf to initiate Joe's arrival, but I think things may have gotten a wee bit of topic
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Yeah, probably- let's get back on the rails here guys (and... may post even later tonight or tomorrow after sleep happens. ...pleasedon'tkillme).
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They won't kill you Alice, they might stare at you like a kicked puppy or a disappointed and sad Sakkura but they won't kill you.
Guys put the pitchforks and torches away, lets back on topic.
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With are the weird characters I have one question. Where is ninja disco laser club?
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With are the weird characters I have one question. Where is ninja disco laser club?
On the corner of Eighth and Wolfe street, right across the street from 'Uncle Nestor's Axe Emporium'.
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'Uncle Nestor's Axe Emporium'.
Do want.
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How would react Axe Cop if he stumbled across Flute Cop?
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How would react Axe Cop if he stumbled across Flute Cop?
Restrained happiness. He'd be glad to see a familiar face, but wouldn't make a fuss about it. Remember, Axe Cop's spent entire adventures without his buddy, and he's only been in Nexus for a few hours real time. To him, this entire situation isn't a big deal.
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The Official arrival of Seras Victoria in Nexus City and Joe's first interaction with Forest
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Too much nice Shirou recently, time to mix things up
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To be fair, the guy deserves it. My Shirou would also consider killing him, if necessary.
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Too much nice Shirou recently, time to mix things up
Joe is not going down by a peashooter, the moment they realize that firearms don't do shit is when things get interesting
To be fair, the guy deserves it. My Shirou would also consider killing him, if necessary.
A crime boss is someone everybody loves to hate and personally I'm waiting for the others responses to Joe Fixit's appearance, though how would the others react if they knew Lawrence accepted money from him?
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Honestly, Forest doesn't care who accepts money from who. Plus she's gotten into Lawrence's head- she knows he's beyond "hard luck case" and figures anything that makes his life easier and less likely to kill innocents is okay.
However, she knows exactly who he is and shows off her knowledge of the Marvel universe.
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Honestly, Forest doesn't care who accepts money from who. Plus she's gotten into Lawrence's head- she knows he's beyond "hard luck case" and figures anything that makes his life easier and less likely to kill innocents is okay.
However, she knows exactly who he is and shows off her knowledge of the Marvel universe.
Considering Lawrence has a spirit of Murder inside his head, yeah, he's pretty much a 'Hard Luck Case' on steroids.
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Posted, finally. Though I still need to respond to Ruu's bit with Finn, though that part will take a bit more time since it's has a lot more to it. I do have a game plan at least though, and hopefully if I write it correctly, it should be a bit touching.
For now though, got other stuff posted finally at least. Sorry for the long wait, these past few weeks have been hell.
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Hmm I'd consider making a second character to join in with you guys bu that would go against Downy's whole thing, plus I wouldn't be able to use my other character slots to act as Downy's reinforcements for when he needs them. (And he prolly will.)
Also you guys already have enough going on right now, so I'll keep on waiting.
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Hmm I'd consider making a second character to join in with you guys bu that would go against Downy's whole thing, plus I wouldn't be able to use my other character slots to act as Downy's reinforcements for when he needs them. (And he prolly will.)
Also you guys already have enough going on right now, so I'll keep on waiting.
I was thinking about making a Demon (nWoD, holy fuck that book is AMAZING), so that second character of yours and mine could go and start having adventures.
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Finally got a post done. Sorry it's been so long, I was away last night and the previous few nights were rather hectic....
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Mord, I'm waiting for you. :)
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Hmm, does Forest's house have bedrooms on the ground floor...?
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I'd guess no, but I'm probably very wrong.
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Well, if not Taiga is going to find things somewhat difficult I imagine....
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Well, if not Taiga is going to find things somewhat difficult I imagine....
A wooden plank can make a good impromptu ramp if needed. The basement-sub-level is Forest's quarters. Going up is where normal people can reside.
I'm still waiting on Mord.
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I'm still waiting on Mord.
Sorry. Posted, Joe's response now.
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Wait, is she talking about Law or Lancer.
Because either way, things get murderous, but Lawrence isn't a demi-god.
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She's talking about Lancer. She knows Lancer would have an utter ball fighting a Hulk and would be the one living there who would have the best chance at giving him a good match. Forest knows when she's over her head.
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She's talking about Lancer. She knows Lancer would have an utter ball fighting a Hulk and would be the one living there who would have the best chance at giving him a good match. Forest knows when she's over her head.
The rage thing kinda threw me off.
Also, would pay money to see that fight.
EDIT: Is Forest going to ask Lawrence about the guy he killed or is she not touching that one?
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Considering the Hulk all but thought the guy was a douche and a trouble maker, probably not.
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A Hulk and an Irish Demi-God walk into a bar for a drinking contest, whoever wins is anyone's guess
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So Elf - is Raul acceptable?
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Yes, I'll allow it.
Partially because of his excellent character sheet.
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And post! Probably not that great, (even the Finn part, which didn't turn out nearly as good as I had hoped, even for all the delay) but I always complain about that.
Quoted the entirety of Daiki's Ruu post in this case because I took so long to reply to it, it probably wouldn'tve made as much sense otherwise. I generally try to avoid quoting long posts like that wholesale, but in this case, I thought it was warranted.
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Ok so since I missed this apparently someone got into the sealed castle so who exactly is supposed to be in the castle and how did they get inside the castle, the sealed castle I remind you.
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Yeah, who is meant to have got into the castle? I don't see any post that implies that.
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Yeah, who is meant to have got into the castle? I don't see any post that implies that.
Raul. It's blatantly stated he's gotten through the bounded fields and is inside.
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I don't think the Castle has "bounded fields" in that sense. Also, I think you should check with Lantz what the defences are actually like before just asserting that you broke them....
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Doesn't work like that Arch, the castle is sealed, you'd have to break in, teleportation and the like is impossible.
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Doesn't work like that Arch, the castle is sealed, you'd have to break in, teleportation and the like is impossible.
Haha, he's more than strong enough to force his way inside. So yeah, he broke in.
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No, you haven't Arch, you can't skip cause and effect, we told you to leave the castle alone until the event had ended. In short back off.
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Everyone stop and wait for Elf. If she decides the castle is off-limits, then that's that. Similarly if she decides the castle got broken into by the crazy dimension-rending Demon thingie, then that is also that.
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Well, unless Arch intends to wait for several weeks for a reply, I suggest he goes elsewhere....
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I would prefer not to have it interrupted thus wasting a great deal of effort on mine and mike's part.
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Well, it's pretty simple, we don't have to reply to his act until we've written the scene. If he wants to come into the castle, then he can just wait for us....
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It's a big castle, a bit of an intrusion doesn't necessarily have to fuck up your plans. He might just wander the halls until you're done what you're done. Just saying.
IN
ANY
CASE
Elf chooses.
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Yeah see he was still warned about this earlier, further he can't skip the work to break in, that's cheating.
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No, you haven't Arch, you can't skip cause and effect, we told you to leave the castle alone until the event had ended. In short back off.
Actually... the demon can manipulate cause and effect. It's part of his Embeds. He wants to get into the castle, he can get into the castle. He's got enough physical power to just force his way inside, considering he can simply slice the gate to ribbons, or cause it to simply break at a touch. It's no less ridiculous than anything else. He's a paradoxical reality shifting being made by the God Machine.
And Lantz, you can always just have Saber Alter intercept him or something. We haven't really seen anything from her lately. Either that or I'll create a scenario inside the castle myself, though you may not like the results, but I can assure you it won't interfere with your BDSM.
Also, Lantz;
Irony. Oh the irony.
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Who warned him, Lantz?
Also I guess what Magos said is an option that is on the table. Pretty reasonable.
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Seriously Arch just leave if you won't do the work, you are attacking Angra you can't instantly kill her. Mike and I did twice when he entered the game with doomrider names
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Seriously Arch just leave if you won't do the work, you are attacking Angra you can't instantly kill her. Mike and I did twice when he entered the game with doomrider names
What? I don't understand. I'm totally lost here Lantz, you aren't making any sense.
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You attempted to go to the castle with doomrider immediately upon being accepted, we told you to stop because of the event.
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Angra is the castle, she will respond to attacks on her body, so you can't just skip attacking your way inside Arch.
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Mike and I did twice when he entered the game with doomrider names
Well, neither of you is the GM. Magos doesn't exactly have to follow your rules, he just did so the first time out of courtesy.
And really, he's explained other ways for this to go down. Why not just have Alter face him off? Or Alter and Angra rather, seeing as she is the castle?
None of your or Mike's efforts would be going in vain.
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You attempted to go to the castle with doomrider immediately upon being accepted, we told you to stop because of the event.
Yeah, and this guy won't simply warp inside, cover everything in cocaine and leave. Besides, this is for fun, and I gave you a totally rational option earlier to take that would solve this issue without a fuss. He won't be interfering with your BDSM kinky shit with Mike, so I don't see why you should give a fuck about it.
Angra is the castle, she will respond to attacks on her body, so you can't just skip attacking your way inside Arch.
On the contrary, he can. He can skip cause and effect, or simply sabotage a doorway to allow himself inside.
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He said he'd work around it lantz, so the scene would be uninterrupted. As for the intrusion in general, like Nachos said, just wait for Elf to say her ruling.
Let's cool it down in here in general, guys. Like Nachos said earlier, let's just wait for Elf. Magos posted some reasonable alternatives to avoid disrupting the sex scene, but again, in the end, it's Elf's call. So let's just wait for her.
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Well, at very least Lantz has a valid point about his entry into the castle. Walking into an enemy stronghold isn't something you can just do without consulting with them to check if you actually can and what the response would be. Even if he's capable of bashing through the wall, there are likely to be consequences of that.
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No Arch, the knight at the door would interrupt him, see you don't understand how the castle is so you can't just ignore it. Show your work, seriously all the other characters do. You aren't an exception.
and Names he was warned off because I wanted the event to be uninterrupted and it fails logic for them not to respond to something that big.
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No Arch, the knight at the door would interrupt him, see you don't understand how the castle is so you can't just ignore it. Show your work, seriously all the other characters do. You aren't an exception.
and Names he was warned off because I wanted the event to be uninterrupted and it fails logic for them not to respond to something that big.
Fine, I'll edit the post so he rips the knight to shreads and gets on with it. Boom. Problem solved.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't get to control familiars made by other people....
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Indeed mike
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Anyway, Arch, if you do decide to continue with this, you will be waiting a long time for a reply, I suspect. And, due to the nature of the RP, you do have to actually let Lantz reply before you can continue.
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In order to facilitate logical replies mike is right, you'll be waiting quite a bit.
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Guys, guys, cool it. Again, wait for Elf. Let's just end the discussion here for now. Otherwise I may have to get a bit a bit more strict.
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It's an NPC so it's fair game in this case, and random knight #1903 isn't exactly an important character
And why can't lantz just reply with Saber Alter? This isn't just Lantz's RP, it's EVERYONE's RP. You can't kill other peoples fun just because Lantz.
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I won't have the event ruined and the castle being broken into will cause a ruckus and thus in order to be realistic you will have to wait on my reply.
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It's an NPC so it's fair game in this case, and random knight #1903 isn't exactly an important character
It's not an NPC, it's Lantz's familiar. You couldn't just suddenly take control of the Kaleidostick, so why should you be able to control one of his knights?
And why can't lantz just reply with Saber Alter?
Because it wouldn't be in-character for Satoshi not to respond.
This isn't just Lantz's RP, it's EVERYONE's RP. You can't kill other peoples fun just because Lantz.
You didn't have to go to the castle, Arch. You can't expect Lantz to go out of his way to accomodate you when he's made it quite clear he doesn't want you there right now.
There are other people who have been waiting a lot longer than a couple of weeks (Milbunk has been waiting months) because we've been busy elsewhere. If you want to interact with Lantz then you have to wait for Lantz to be able to respond.
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I won't have the event ruined and the castle being broken into will cause a ruckus and thus in order to be realistic you will have to wait on my reply.
Hey. Hey.
Lantz.
Easy solution - you have 1 slot open for a new character right? Then use it on something to use as a one off to fight Raul, or you could have Alter face him, or you could be realistic and realize that the castle is big enough that multiple things can happen at once inside it without any inhabitant the wiser.
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That would be true if it were a normal castle, but this isn't a normal castle....
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That would be true if it were a normal castle, but this isn't a normal castle....
Or you could go with the idea that since Satoshi doesn't want to be disturbed he's made a special servant to deal with it.
Seriously, just be creative Lantz.
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That would be true if it were a normal castle, but this isn't a normal castle....
Or you could go with the idea that since Satoshi doesn't want to be disturbed he's made a special servant to deal with it.
Seriously, just be creative Lantz.
Unless Elf says otherwise, you have no right to just show up and then demand that Lantz do things to accomodate you. Either go somewhere else or wait for Lantz to be ready to respond.
Could he accomodate you? Yeah, probably. Should he be expected to, when you're being demanding and trying to force him into something he doesn't want to do? No, not at all.
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I'm at max six for my characters. The door or wall being broken is loud and the echo would sound and angra would make Satoshi respond. Therefore you wait for my reply or have Raul go elsewhere.
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I'm at max six for my characters. The door or wall being broken is loud and the echo would sound and angra would make Satoshi respond. Therefore you wait for my reply or have Raul go elsewhere.
Or you could have Angra respond. I'm just throwing out ideas here, and who says he needs to smash through? Sabotage the hinges or locks, and the door swings right on open. And Angra wouldn't even realize it, as Embeds simply shift the workings of reality around a bit.
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Again, let Elf decide all this. Let's cool it down in here.
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Yeah, this is just going in circles now....
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Wait or go elsewhere Arch, period.
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lantz, please stop. Again, like Cherry said, this is just going in circles at this point. Just wait for Elf.
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Wait or go elsewhere Arch, period.
I don't see the admin nametag on you, so no, we're waiting for Elf on this one.
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This goes for you too, Magos, let's please stop the argument for now and wait for Elf.
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Oh Jesus, I wandered into a cluster fuck . . .
So, I've read through what's going on.
I'm not pulling favorites, but apparently Mike and Lantz have had something planned for the Castle for a long time. Just suddenly dropping a fallen angel could fuck up their plans. Not to mention, Magos, you're going to have to wait for Lantz to respond, and he and Mike are working on . . . something.
If you wanted to have Raul interact with someone, what about Downy Reed and his summoning circle of Doom?
Or, Lantz, since I'm slightly familiar with how WoD works, technically, considering what Raul is, he may be able to get into the castle undetected. Guy is a fallen angel. He wouldn't be say Arc or Gil tier, but he'd have a high enough mystery to fuck up a Servant. Plus they can manipulate reality around them- that's one of the game's rules.
Considering this, Raul doesn't have to bust up random guard 878. He could just be wandering around the castle until shit goes down.
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Oh Jesus, I wandered into a cluster fuck . . .
So, I've read through what's going on.
I'm not pulling favorites, but apparently Mike and Lantz have had something planned for the Castle for a long time. Just suddenly dropping a fallen angel could fuck up their plans. Not to mention, Magos, you're going to have to wait for Lantz to respond, and he and Mike are working on . . . something.
If you wanted to have Raul interact with someone, what about Downy Reed and his summoning circle of Doom?
Or, Lantz, since I'm slightly familiar with how WoD works, technically, considering what Raul is, he may be able to get into the castle undetected. Guy is a fallen angel. He wouldn't be say Arc or Gil tier, but he'd have a high enough mystery to fuck up a Servant. Plus they can manipulate reality around them- that's one of the game's rules.
Considering this, Raul doesn't have to bust up random guard 878. He could just be wandering around the castle until shit goes down.
I'll go with option 2, thank you.
And I know what they're working on is porn. And probably something involving a random powerup for Satoshi.
The reason why not Downy Reed is simple - he just didn't create a castle in the middle of the city out of nowhere, something that stinks of the God Machine. It's OOC for Raul NOT to investigate and figure out what this machine is for.
Editing post accordingly.
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I don't buy that, the castle is made of Angra, if the castle wasn't made of her I'd agree elf.
as for wandering around the castle isn't big enough to have him wandering around. Only the outside courtyard is big for the moment.
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I think the whole "can become a castle while still being able to manifest a physical human form" thing is kinda OP and slaps around Nasuverse canon, though that's Elf's call to decide whether that's cool or not.
But yeah, again, just trust Elf's judgement here. She is the GM and a pretty cool person in general after all, so just work with her.
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Well, he can wander around the courtyard.
If Angra is both a castle and physical form that's just odd. And also breaking into Arc and Altrogue territory, which Angra isn't even in their league. Besides, Angra is just man's evil. Raul is a fallen angel.
I'm cribbing with the Nasuverse that greater mystery trumps smaller one. He can wander.
However, Magos, if you don't play nice I'll be very cross. (Plus there's nothing that would rank as truly divine anyway.)
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I don't buy that, the castle is made of Angra, if the castle wasn't made of her I'd agree elf.
as for wandering around the castle isn't big enough to have him wandering around. Only the outside courtyard is big for the moment.
So? It's still a part of reality, and a GIANT FUCKING CASTLE THAT JUST WENT UP INSIDE THE CITY. He'll get in, because this reeks of the God Machine's Infrastructure. Really, I'm surprised Downy hasn't reacted to it either.
And the size of this place has varied massively from each post to each post. I mean, there's supposedly over 10k of Satoshi's - your knights inside right? That doesn't make sense if it's this small.
And as Alice said, that's fucking OP as hell. It's also a major canon violation and further proof of how 'spesial' you make all your characters, and then use those traits to try to make people act the way you want them to act, or to asspull shit.
Well, he can wander around the courtyard.
If Angra is both a castle and physical form that's just odd. And also breaking into Arc and Altrogue territory, which Angra isn't even in their league. Besides, Angra is just man's evil. Raul is a fallen angel.
I'm cribbing with the Nasuverse that greater mystery trumps smaller one. He can wander.
However, Magos, if you don't play nice I'll be very cross.
Got it Elf.
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Good, because I have to go to bed. I have work tomorrow.
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It's like an organ, it's not becoming both Alice, Angra cannot manipulate it, she is aware of it, living curse.
as for working with elf she already said Arch will have to wait and I'm set on making the reply make sense so the dude has to wait.
it has not finished development Arch, there's not even a thousand guys in the castle yet.
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Giant castle or not, it was created by Lantz and as such what goes on concerning said castle is his to decide upon. So let him decide upon what to do or PM him and Mike and do some collaborating between them, make a post that you worked out with them like what I did with Milbunk a while back.
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Again, that's ultimately Elf's call in the end as GM.
And even if it's one of her "organs," it's still too much. Angra can be capable of a lot of things, yes, but I don't think they're capable of that much. Again, just my opinion though, it's up to Elf in the end.
...And I'm going to get to those questions in the questions thread, I promise. ^_^" Since I have so many though, and I tend to write skits for each one I answer, it may take a little bit.
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It's a part of her nature and a weakness so please don't complain about it.
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Who's complaining? It's discussion.
And what do you mean it's a weakness?
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You can destroy or purify the manifested curses to harm her and weaken her.
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You can destroy or purify the manifested curses to harm her and weaken her.
...And this isn't in her profile why?
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But seeing as that follows the weird concept rules of the nasuverse, it can't be as easy as it sounds. Like, physically destroying a brick of the castle wouldn't weaken her. You'd have to damage it conceptually.
It's a very foe-specific weakness. Exploiting it would be difficult for non-nasuverse people.
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Purification is hard? It's called holy water, you know the primary eight things evil straight up doesn't like, I can't believe that purification of evil is hard. Every universe with religious beliefs has ways to kill of evil.
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>Evil doesn't like holy water
Wat. Lantz, sometimes I'd like to live in that fucked up world of yours. Then I realize it's not worth the loss of coherent thought.
Also, I found a statement as to the size of Satoshi's Castle.
It dwarfs Skyscrapers.
Taiga smiled "Come on, let's go" she said turning around and wheeling toward the entrance.
Satoshi completed the foundation and then began to chant, after a few moments the castle came to be, a massive black imposing structure dwarfing all the building around it. It could clearly be seen from anywhere in the city. Sighing Satoshi chanted sealing the entrance as he stepped inside.
Sakura leapt through the portal, the city was dark and dank in general and a castle loomed in the distance "this place is ugly, monster den at least" she muttered moving to find her prey
So to say, "Oh, there's only a large courtyard" is an asspull of the highest magnitude, but I'm just too tired to edit my shit at the moment.
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Proving your point with evidence is one thing, throwing an insult in there is another. Please don't.
Separate from the admin order there, while I don't doubt holy water exists in some form in the Nasuverse, I don't know if it'd have any effect on Angra. While Angra is All the Evils of the World, I don't know if things powered by Christian belief specifically would have any particular effect for certain. Angra Manyu has Persian origins, after all. Plus even if holy water does have an effect on Angra, I doubt it would cause significant enough damage regardless.
Let's take a look at Avenger to compare- he was basically unkillable because of the timeloop, and he had one hell of a counterattack, but in the end, he was still the weakest Servant. Bazett had to do most of the fighting, and I doubt he would have gotten as far as he did without her and her usage of Fragarach. I doubt he'd be able to manifest and maintain an entire castle, let alone do so even as an organ while maintaining a separate physical form.
Also, the castle is, as Magos has just proven, very large. Even if you ignore what Nachos pointed out and apply her weakness just as is, it would take a whole hell of a lot of effort to destroy that castle, basically rendering her unkillable in addition to being quite powerful.
...Though, again, Elf's call what's cool or not RP-wise. This is all just my opinion. Also, behave in here (this means everyone, by the way).
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How layered is the castle anyways? Can you give us some detail on the layered sections of the castle?
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How layered is the castle anyways? Can you give us some detail on the layered sections of the castle?
There isn't much on that but going by a classic medieval layout, there will be corridors and towers within the walls, leading onto a large structure known as the keep or the Bailey. To say there is nothing but a large courtyard is a blatant lie.
EDIT - Actually, probably not within the walls itself. The towers thing is true however.
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How layered is the castle anyways? Can you give us some detail on the layered sections of the castle?
There isn't much on that but going by a classic medieval layout, there will be corridors and towers within the walls, leading onto a large structure known as the keep or the Bailey. To say there is nothing but a large courtyard is a blatant lie.
Lets wait for Lantz to put in his response shall we?
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It's tall not large, holy water is an example of purification, arguing about belief systems is semantics, she is all the world's evil mot one country therefore multiple sources of purification will work on her. As for what avenger displayed, not translated so I'm not terribly interested in what that says which isn't really relevant since Angra is not avenger. Frankly I would go into the castle but I'm going to describe it later when the scene finishes, or I would have if someone hadn't decided to come bothering me for no real reason.
there is nothing but an empty courtyard, don't like it? Too bad, there's a door but the moment Raul touches it you'll be stuck waiting for my reply. There's a courtyard and a tall but compact building, that's it.
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Like I said though, even if it does work, I don't think it would be effective enough on its own. Look at what it does to vampires in Buffy for instance, it doesn't kill them for sure, just causes serious injuries. I don't expect it to be much different for Angra.
There's enough of Hollow Ataxia translated for me to have gleaned that much, since I certainly can't read Japanese. Most of the main storyline's been translated. More than enough of it to see how Avenger fights. And while Avenger is indeed a seperate entity from the corrupted grail itself, he does give an idea of what Angra Manyu's abilities would be like as a Servant. In fact, this is exactly what Avenger is. Like, literally.
In terms of Angra Manyu as a separate entity here, technically she shouldn't be able to manifest physical entities outside her host. Well, aside from familiars like the dog monsters and Sakura's shadows anyway.
We saw what happened with Sakura and Irisviel- Angra never formed a separate form from either of them, merely possessed them and carried out its will through them, with its personality being shaped by the one it possesses (Avenger is similar- while how much is the actual young man that was sacrificed and how much is Shirou is debatable, there is some of Shirou's influence there. Also, there's a similar argument with how much was Sakura and how much was just her being corrupted by evil, but let's not start that here). So really, by what we've seen Angra Manyu do in canon, it shouldn't be able to form any physical form outside of Toshi period, whether it be a castle or the form of a girl.
Yet again, though, Elf's decision here. Ultimately, in an RP such as this one, it's the GM's call on what's acceptable and what's not. ...I'm going to repeat this over and over until it burns into some skulls. :P
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It's tall not large, holy water is an example of purification, arguing about belief systems is semantics, she is all the world's evil mot one country therefore multiple sources of purification will work on her.
So lets see.
Miko Purification Rituals [No Miko's in Nexus]
Church Executors [None in Nexus...that we know of]
Purifying Weapons [Archers and certain Emiya's]
Shinigami Zanpakutous [there is one Shinigami in Nexus]
Pretty much every weapon from Hellsing that incorporated Blessed Silver
Considering what Angra Manya did in the Nasuverse, it is safe to say that Angra can corrupt other beings that are vulnerable to corruption and may be able to manipulate those who bear some bits of her corruption. Considering that Canon!Shirou was found alive despite being surround by fire started by her power, he would have some of her taint already existing within him and since Sakura had pieces of the corrupted grail that was destroyed in the fourth war placed within her, she too would bear her taint.
In a sense if Lantz wanted to he could with the permission of others manipulate certain characters like puppets due to them bearing her taint and if need be she could 'infect' certain others with that same taint
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Considering that Canon!Shirou was found alive despite being surround by fire started by her power, he would have some of her taint already existing within him
dude what
If that was anywhere near true it kind of would have come up in FSN.
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We saw what happened with Sakura and Irisviel- Angra never formed a separate form from either of them, merely possessed them and carried out its will through them, with its personality being shaped by the one it possesses (Avenger is similar- while how much is the actual young man that was sacrificed and how much is Shirou is debatable, there is some of Shirou's influence there. Also, there's a similar argument with how much was Sakura and how much was just her being corrupted by evil, but let's not start that here). So really, by what we've seen Angra Manyu do in canon, it shouldn't be able to form any physical form outside of Toshi period, whether it be a castle or the form of a girl.
That's not entirely true. It is true that, in HF and Zero, Angra only acts through proxies, but it's made clear in HF that that is only because it hasn't been "born" yet. The fact that the entire end of HF is based around preventing that birth implies very strongly that AM is capable of manifesting alone, and it seems pretty clear that doing so would be a very bad thing for the world as a whole.
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Angra is human evil and if thereby immortal as it exists similarly to Alaya with humans as a generating point. She can manifest as a physical entity as that's the basis of the sheet and as for the castle it is the curse, Angra is a living curse and in fan kirei clearly states the curse is so strong that it manifests physically, thus I don't she why the mud can't be used as building materials. Angra has no true form, she's not avenger, she just looks like it. So as the curse she is aware of the other manifested parts
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thus I don't she why the mud can't be used as building materials.
Just for the sake of pointing this out:
It's mud. You can't build things with mud. Trust this farmer, he knows.
And even then, if you tried to dry it to make for more valid material, it still wouldn't build. Dirt is terrible to build with, and the best you can do with it as a structure is a pile with a hole in it. Nevertheless, the hole would cave in during the first rain that hits it.
And in Fate/Zero, it sort of sunk into the ground after the fire. So, it's more like a really, really viscous liquid than mud. It just looks like mud. UBW supports this by having Rin wade in it at thigh height: you can't do that with real mud.
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Nevermind, just move on. Talk about something else because it's not really mud and I don't care.
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thus I don't she why the mud can't be used as building materials.
Just for the sake of pointing this out:
It's mud. You can't build things with mud. Trust this farmer, he knows.
And even then, if you tried to dry it to make for more valid material, it still wouldn't build. Dirt is terrible to build with, and the best you can do with it as a structure is a pile with a hole in it. Nevertheless, the hole would cave in during the first rain that hits it.
And in Fate/Zero, it sort of sunk into the ground after the fire. So, it's more like a really, really viscous liquid than mud. It just looks like mud. UBW supports this by having Rin wade in it at thigh height: you can't do that with real mud.
Depends really. In the American Southwest for example, many tribes did make mud bricks - Adobe. However, the process takes time and really is only useful in dry climates with the right type of soil.
AM's mud fits neither of those qualities. And lantz just said it isn't mud, so how the fuck do you build a castle out of syrup then?
It's tall not large, holy water is an example of purification, arguing about belief systems is semantics, she is all the world's evil mot one country therefore multiple sources of purification will work on her. As for what avenger displayed, not translated so I'm not terribly interested in what that says which isn't really relevant since Angra is not avenger. Frankly I would go into the castle but I'm going to describe it later when the scene finishes, or I would have if someone hadn't decided to come bothering me for no real reason.
there is nothing but an empty courtyard, don't like it? Too bad, there's a door but the moment Raul touches it you'll be stuck waiting for my reply. There's a courtyard and a tall but compact building, that's it.
OK, you do know this makes her practically invincible right? To get rid of her would take millions of gallons of holy water, and we don't have millions of gallons of holy water, or the ability to drench a skyscraper sized mass with it. And even if we did, that'd only effect the outer layer of bricks.
Now, to compound this issue, despite being restricted to Satoshi's body for the most part, AM's somehow manifesting as a female for some reason, and also as a castle.
Basically none of this makes sense in the context of the Nasuverse. If Angra IS manifesting as a full on entity, then he needs to be immediately destroyed before the entire nexus is. And he has to be manifested fully now, otherwise this shit goes into a black hole of not making sense, because it doesn't make sense already.
And then there's the problem that even if we COULD, Lantz would refuse to let us do so.
Basically all his characters weaknesses are less weaknesses and more piddling annoyances that are easily circumvented.
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how the fuck do you build a castle out of syrup then?
By dreaming and believing.
One day, magos. One day.
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I'd bother explaining the hows and whys but I honestly think there's no point in doing so given the previous statements.
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Actually I've found a way to make a castle made of maple syrup, you're all good on that front.
MY DREAM COME TRUE
basically it's too serious in here
fun is allowed too
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It's magic
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Is it just me or is Kiyoshi practically begging to be haunted?
I'd bother explaining the hows and whys but I honestly think there's no point in doing so given the previous statements.
No, you NEED to explain why at this point. You honestly do because structurally there's no way in hell a building like you're saying exists would even be capable of holding up its own weight in the winds.
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Magos, you do know that if Lawrence does anything to Kiyoshi then Sakura will make sure he pays dearly for it, regardless of how strong he is...?
And, frankly, Kiyoshi is just being an eleven-year-old kid. Your character, on the other hand, is being a jackass. He attempted to murder someone in cold blood, Kiyoshi saved that person and yet Lawrence is claiming he did something wrong. If he had not acted then Connor would be dead. Nothing Lawrence says can change that.
Frankly, Lawrence is just a petty jerk who can't deal with his own mistakes.
Also, what Kiyoshi did wasn't just "luck". If you hit the gun in a particular direction then it is going to go in that direction. And, he had no real alternative but to act in that way. He couldn't have killed Lawrence with one swing and even if he could he'd have had time to fire the gun. Which could then definitely have gone absolutely anywhere.
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Magos, you do know that if Lawrence does anything to Kiyoshi then Sakura will make sure he pays dearly for it, regardless of how strong he is...?
Yeah, and she can bring it. There's certain things she can't stop after all, and Kiyoshi's made his own bed on this one if he keeps ignoring the fact that what he did was risky as hell, could have gotten someone killed that wasn't a target (Which for a Sin-eater is a sin. Premeditated murder is justified, because all too often the people who create angry spirits are serial killers, and there are things that just need to die) and he's not realizing that there's no 'good guys and bad guys.' when it comes to killing. It doesn't matter after they're dead, but sometimes people need to be put down.
Fun fact - Lawrence knows he fucked up, but he's got a damn good reason as to why he's fucked up.
And mike - you're wrong, especially with a long gun, and how Lawrence was holding it. What that hit would have done was jostle the firearm - and wouldn't have knocked it more than maybe a few degrees off target. What DID knock it off target was the flinch from getting his arm cut open combined with the jolt of the impact on the tip of the gun - you want to shift it you aim for the center stupid - and he got lucky on that one.. the thing about shooting a gun out of someone's hand is bullshit, aside from specialized sniper teams who practice YEARS to pull that shit off, and it only works with pistols unless you aim for the hands. And even then has a chance of setting the gun off.
TLDR: Don't talk about shit you don't know Mike.
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Yeah, sorry, but Lawrence's cynical attitude to people is not one that Kiyoshi is going to accept. By that logic Sakura should be dead. And, Kiyoshi is not "making his own bed", Lawrence is being an arrogant prick who can't accept that he might sometimes be wrong. If Lawrence wants to be thrown out of the house if not outright killed, then I guess he can go ahead, but I doubt anyone is going to look favourably on him treating a young child in that manner just because he can't accept his own mistakes.
And, I find it hard to believe that hitting the gun, especially a long gun on the end, would only knock it off a few degrees. It's basic physics. Also, at the distance he was shooting from you only need to knock it about 6 degrees off target for the shot to miss. That is definitely doable.
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Just remember everyone, the argument is IC. Don't carry it over here.
Whoever is arrogant or naive, that's in the RP.
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Well, it's not entirely IC, since Arch seems to enjoy making ridiculously OP characters and then using them to fuck up the game for anyone he doesn't like, or at least to force them to follow his intentions.
I don't mind my characters having problems, but I do mind Arch acting like he has a right to demand they act in a certain way and punish them without consequence if they don't.
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Yeah, sorry, but Lawrence's cynical attitude to people is not one that Kiyoshi is going to accept. By that logic Sakura should be dead. And, Kiyoshi is not "making his own bed", Lawrence is being an arrogant prick who can't accept that he might sometimes be wrong.
And, I find it hard to believe that hitting the gun, especially a long gun on the end, would only knock it off a few degrees. It's basic physics. Also, at the distance he was shooting from you only need to knock it about 6 degrees off target for the shot to miss. That is definitely doable.
Yeah, six degrees is doable, but hard. Just hitting the thing isn't usually enough, shoving it is better. You seem to forget people hold long guns with BOTH HANDS to keep it steady, and they're also pressed against the shoulder for extra support. Knocking someone off balance would be a more reliable method.
He's making his own bed by being an idiot about HF Shirou's logic which you seem to be aping him in. It's the same logic that in this case really doesn't apply well to the scenario. Lawrence, with his limited knowledge at the time, acted in the method that would be most likely to prevent a future disaster. He's not going to apologize about doing something that if he hadn't done, could have resulted in the entire city being destroyed.
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Well, it's not entirely IC, since Arch seems to enjoy making ridiculously OP characters and then using them to fuck up the game for anyone he doesn't like, or at least to force them to follow his intentions.
I don't mind my characters having problems, but I do mind Arch acting like he has a right to demand they act in a certain way and punish them without consequence if they don't.
...You mean like Lantz does?
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It's magic is my explanation Arch.
side note Mike is right, Kiyoshi is a kid also I do find this Raul guy to be rather overpowered in particular but earlier blaming Connor because Lawrence can't tell the difference between an illusion and reality was uncalled for. If I'm honest I believe my characters are being targeted.
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But you created Connor after Lawrence, with a very specific trait that would, had you read Lawrence's sheet, make him target Connor as soon as detect him.
Of course a clash was going to happen. Even I saw it coming, and I'd barely skimmed the sheets.
And illusions being confused as reality is kind of their point. Makes for a bad illusion if everyone can immediately see through it.
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It's magic is my explanation Arch.
side note Mike is right, Kiyoshi is a kid also I do find this Raul guy to be rather overpowered in particular but earlier blaming Connor because Lawrence can't tell the difference between an illusion and reality was uncalled for. If I'm honest I believe my characters are being targeted.
...OK. Let me point this out to you, and I want you to think about this for five seconds - When in the ever loving hell would to people with extra dimensional perception, looking like a chthuloid abomination ever be a good idea? Walking around like that all the time is basically the stupidest thing I could ever imagine doing in a world like this because even though he might not be an entity from beyond the stars, people who don't know that and assume he is will act accordingly. Better to look normal all the time than appear to be something you're not. Lawrence is blaming Connor for being an idiot about this, nearly getting both of them killed, and then walking off without a scratch and claiming he's in the right.
For that matter, I find it hypocracy that you can bring Satoshi to the table, an invicible superhuman who's really 2000 years old and you won't ever let be defeated, and then turn around and call Raul OP. For that matter, Elf has said he's fine so fucking drop it.
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I didn't create him after names, I posted his sheet after and I don't read other's sheets looking for their weaknesses and traits to exploit them.
reality warping is overpowered.
Seriously in the future just leave my characters alone dude.
and fyi Connor isn't a resident of the nexus so he doesn't encounter extra dimensional creatures 99.9% of the time.
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I didn't create him after names, I posted his sheet after and I don't read other's sheets looking for their weaknesses and traits to exploit them.
reality warping is overpowered.
Seriously in the future just leave my characters alone dude.
and fyi Connor isn't a resident of the nexus so he doesn't encounter extra dimensional creatures 99.9% of the time.
You don't get to demand anything like that Lantz.
And while he doesn't, its' still not something smart to do at all.
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Yeah, six degrees is doable, but hard. Just hitting the thing isn't usually enough, shoving it is better. You seem to forget people hold long guns with BOTH HANDS to keep it steady, and they're also pressed against the shoulder for extra support. Knocking someone off balance would be a more reliable method.
Well, Kiyoshi hardly had much time to react. And, knocking him off-balance would have the same problem as hitting the gun would, at least given the position Kiyoshi was in and the fact that he's eleven.
He's making his own bed by being an idiot about HF Shirou's logic which you seem to be aping him in.
Gee, amazing how an eleven-year-old kid tends to listen to his father's beliefs, isn't it...?
It's the same logic that in this case really doesn't apply well to the scenario.
It applies perfectly well to this case. Lawrence jumped in there too damn quickly. Further, you are completely ignoring Kiyoshi's side of this. Lawrence just jumped in there and started shooting randomly for no apparent reason. Kiyoshi had no reason whatsoever not to stop him.
Lawrence, with his limited knowledge at the time, acted in the method that would be most likely to prevent a future disaster. He's not going to apologize about doing something that if he hadn't done, could have resulted in the entire city being destroyed.
And Kiyoshi acted in the way that was most likely to save Connor's life. He's not about to apologise for that either.
Well, it's not entirely IC, since Arch seems to enjoy making ridiculously OP characters and then using them to fuck up the game for anyone he doesn't like, or at least to force them to follow his intentions.
I don't mind my characters having problems, but I do mind Arch acting like he has a right to demand they act in a certain way and punish them without consequence if they don't.
...You mean like Lantz does?
Regardless of whether or not Lantz does do that, it does not mean you should, especially not if you're doing it to prove a point or anything similar. Also, whilst Lantz's characters are quite powerful, he's not really using them to cause trouble for everyone else.
...OK. Let me point this out to you, and I want you to think about this for five seconds - When in the ever loving hell would to people with extra dimensional perception, looking like a chthuloid abomination ever be a good idea?
He doesn't look like a "cthuloid abomination", though, not to anyone in his universe.
Walking around like that all the time is basically the stupidest thing I could ever imagine doing in a world like this because even though he might not be an entity from beyond the stars, people who don't know that and assume he is will act accordingly.
That is only true if you are aware of Lawrence's abilities, though. Connor is not and had no reason to be.
Better to look normal all the time than appear to be something you're not.
In Lawrence's universe, yes, in Connor's universe, no. In the Nexus it probably depends on who you meet....
Lawrence is blaming Connor for being an idiot about this, nearly getting both of them killed, and then walking off without a scratch and claiming he's in the right.
And Lawrence is being a hypocritical idiot. He is the one who rushed in there brandishing a shotgun without asking questions first because he didn't consider the fact that this is not his world. Connor had far less reason to suspect something would go wrong from him having his ability active than Lawrence did to suspect that there might be alternate explanations.
For that matter, I find it hypocracy that you can bring Satoshi to the table, an invicible superhuman who's really 2000 years old and you won't ever let be defeated, and then turn around and call Raul OP. For that matter, Elf has said he's fine so fucking drop it.
At least Satoshi is sitting in a castle and only interacting with people who want to interact with him, rather than bullying everyone else.
Also, Lantz will let Toshi be defeated, he just won't let him be killed. Which is perfectly within the rules of the RP.
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And Lawrence is being a hypocritical idiot. He is the one who rushed in there brandishing a shotgun without asking questions first because he didn't consider the fact that this is not his world. Connor had far less reason to suspect something would go wrong from him having his ability active than Lawrence did to suspect that there might be alternate explanations.
Wow, you just used your own argument for why Connor isn't in the wrong for why Lawrence is. The point is that both of them are wrong, but Lawrence was acting on what he knew about things that looked like Connor, that they're reality eating monsters of doom that need to be destroyed.
And lantz, I DON'T go looking around character sheets for weaknesses, just for information. And practically NONE of your sheets aside from Satoshi's have anything more than two or three details. It's frusterating as hell to me.
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Considering that you seem to be forcing a loss for my characters with your characters arch I'm not inclined to accommodate a win from them. They will never die as a result of your characters actions as I refuse to have characters die pointlessly. Sorry Arch but I do not believe you.
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Considering that you seem to be forcing a loss for my characters with your characters arch I'm not inclined to accommodate a win from them. They will never die as a result of your characters actions as I refuse to have characters die pointlessly. Sorry Arch but I do not believe you.
And I don't believe you when you said 'I won't let my characters die pointlessly' because you stated earlier you simply will never let them die for any reason.
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Wow, you just used your own argument for why Connor isn't in the wrong for why Lawrence is. The point is that both of them are wrong, but Lawrence was acting on what he knew about things that looked like Connor, that they're reality eating monsters of doom that need to be destroyed.
Honestly, if anything I'd be more inclined to say that neither of them are wrong than that both of them are. It was mostly a genuine misunderstanding. However, Lawrence is being a real asshole about it. With Connor I can understand that, but with Kiyoshi? He's a bloody eleven-year-old kid....
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Wow, you just used your own argument for why Connor isn't in the wrong for why Lawrence is. The point is that both of them are wrong, but Lawrence was acting on what he knew about things that looked like Connor, that they're reality eating monsters of doom that need to be destroyed.
Honestly, if anything I'd be more inclined to say that neither of them are wrong than that both of them are. It was mostly a genuine misunderstanding. However, Lawrence is being a real asshole about it. With Connor I can understand that, but with Kiyoshi? He's a bloody eleven-year-old kid....
He's an 11 year old kid who's acting like he knows what's right all the time. Admittedly, in character for an 11 year old kid but it doesn't stop Lawrence from wanting to slap the stupid out if him for it.
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I never said that
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Wow, you just used your own argument for why Connor isn't in the wrong for why Lawrence is. The point is that both of them are wrong, but Lawrence was acting on what he knew about things that looked like Connor, that they're reality eating monsters of doom that need to be destroyed.
Honestly, if anything I'd be more inclined to say that neither of them are wrong than that both of them are. It was mostly a genuine misunderstanding. However, Lawrence is being a real asshole about it. With Connor I can understand that, but with Kiyoshi? He's a bloody eleven-year-old kid....
He's an 11 year old kid who's acting like he knows what's right all the time.
Yeah, and Lawrence is an adult acting like he knows what's right all the time....
Admittedly, in character for an 11 year old kid but it doesn't stop Lawrence from wanting to slap the stupid out if him for it.
Perhaps, but I think haunting him is way, way over the top. And, honestly, flipping him the middle finger? That is really childish, and completely counter-productive if he expects to actually be listened to....
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Manchildren are a thing. Lawrence might be one, flipping birds at kids and whatnot.
Just a possibility.
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Yeah, I guess. I just think Magos' argument is rather hypocritical....
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Yeah, I guess. I just think Magos' argument is rather hypocritical....
Pot meet kettle.
For that matter, Lawrence has not been having a good day lately. He's usually far more chill. Also, Kiyoshi kinda exploded into an 'I AM HERO FOR CUTTING YOUR ARM' speech right in front of him, which, honestly, doesn't tend to endear you to a person.
Also, Lantz, you're right on that; I could have sworn I saw a post of yours claiming that but I might have just misread it because I can't find it.
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For that matter, Lawrence has not been having a good day lately. He's usually far more chill. Also, Kiyoshi kinda exploded into an 'I AM HERO FOR CUTTING YOUR ARM' speech right in front of him, which, honestly, doesn't tend to endear you to a person.
Well, Lawrence was acting as if he should have just let Connor get shot, which riled Kiyoshi up, because he does not let innocent people die like that, and especially not those he is close to.
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A literary game like cross effects calls for literary turns, especially in deaths. I have always allowed characters to die if that death has real growth impact. Pointless fights do not have any such magic or effect.
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Guys chill a bit. You don't need to agree with your own character's actions/behavior. Shuya's going all moral fag on Kiyoshi when it was really hypocritical of him to do so because he's basically lulz principles. (Surprised Kiyoshi didn't attack him yet)
Both Lawrence and Kiyoshi did the wrong thing, granted it's in their personalities to act like that, so there's nothing wrong about them ending up arguing about it. Let them argue if needs be, just don't bring it here.
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Kiyoshi isn't going to start attacking Shuya just for giving off some dumb moral lecture. He might be a bit hot-headed but he's not a murderer.
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He's a bad guy who deserves to die though. Actually how does he perceive him?
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He's a bad guy who deserves to die though. Actually how does he perceive him?
True, according to Kiyoshi's own moral code Shuya deserves to die. Lawrence admittedly is somewhat glad that he didn't kill Connor, but he's still of the opinion that Connor sort of brought it on himself.
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He's a bad guy who deserves to die though. Actually how does he perceive him?
Well, he's definitely not fond of him, and he would be seen as a "bad guy", but Kiyoshi isn't someone who goes around killing for the sake of killing, especially not when he would have to fight "good guys" to do so.
True, according to Kiyoshi's own moral code Shuya deserves to die. Lawrence admittedly is somewhat glad that he didn't kill Connor, but he's still of the opinion that Connor sort of brought it on himself.
Shuya is more borderline. He's not like Zouken, someone who is just completely irredeemable. So, Kiyoshi isn't going to want to kill him in the same way.
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Funny question, if Zouken back when he was young, extremely good-looking, in love and wanting of world peace were to pop up, how would the family react?
I have empty slots and I'm currently weighing my options, one of which is Good-Looking Young Zouken. Another is Also-Good-Looking Old Zouken, but I have a fairly good idea of how they'd react.
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Stabbed burnt and beaten I imagine
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Funny question, if Zouken back when he was young, extremely good-looking, in love and wanting of world peace were to pop up, how would the family react?
I have empty slots and I'm currently weighing my options, one of which is Good-Looking Young Zouken. Another is Also-Good-Looking Old Zouken, but I have a fairly good idea of how they'd react.
Good Looking Young Zouken sounds like an upstanding gentleman who'll get along great with that fresh faced young Adolf Hitler who's just about to apply for an art school.
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I have empty slots and I'm currently weighing my options, one of which is Good-Looking Young Zouken. Another is Also-Good-Looking Old Zouken
I'd say option one and then make Zouken the loving type of Grandfather, the kind that gives hugs and is mostly cheerful. It is a surefire way to weird out of The Emiya Family and maybe even temporarily break Sakura's mind.
I gotta ask though, will Seras be on Shuya's shit list? She is a vampire who mainly protect humans, most humans being weaker than herself and thus she is helping the weak.
I also wanna pit [Mike's] Sakura and Seras against each other at one point, which should be an interesting fight. They both use shadows in different ways, Seras has a arm (http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1920x1080/seras-victoria/2885123/seras-victoria-the-vampire-anime-hellsing-2885123.jpg) that is pretty much a living vampiric shadow which she can manipulate at will in a fight
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Yeah, beat up the guy who hasn't done anything yet, and who at this point is an all-around cool guy out to protect his waifu.
He gets worse guys, sure, but while he's young he's chill. He has a goal to make the world a better place, and has friends, that nice Tohsaka guy and his waifu that never loved him back.
Also he has a different name. Might be only Sakura would recognize him.
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Yeah, beat up the guy who hasn't done anything yet, and who at this point is an all-around cool guy out to protect his waifu.
He gets worse guys, sure, but while he's young he's chill. He has a goal to make the world a better place, and has friends, that nice Tohsaka guy and his waifu that never loved him back.
Also he has a different name. Might be only Sakura would recognize him.
I know, but it's fun to joke about EVIL ZOUKEN.
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Well, he is still Zouken. Get on his bad side, and you see a hell made up of compostable matter*.
*Worms can have a huge effect on the quality of compost and the speed at which it's processed, thus my wit.
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Funny question, if Zouken back when he was young, extremely good-looking, in love and wanting of world peace were to pop up, how would the family react?
Well, I think Sakura would be forgiving in that case, and Kiyoshi probably would be too, since he never knew Zouken personally. Shirou and Rider would be a lot more wary, though, especially Rider.
I have empty slots and I'm currently weighing my options, one of which is Good-Looking Young Zouken. Another is Also-Good-Looking Old Zouken, but I have a fairly good idea of how they'd react.
Yeah, old Zouken would be terminated with extreme prejudice if they got anywhere near any of Sakura's family. Well, except Rider, who would make sure to capture him and hold him prisoner so she could torture him mercilessly for a very long time....
I'd say option one and then make Zouken the loving type of Grandfather, the kind that gives hugs and is mostly cheerful. It is a surefire way to weird out of The Emiya Family and maybe even temporarily break Sakura's mind.
It wouldn't break Sakura's mind, she's capable of accepting that Zouken wasn't always an amoral collection of penis worms.
I also wanna pit [Mike's] Sakura and Seras against each other at one point, which should be an interesting fight. They both use shadows in different ways, Seras has a arm (http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1920x1080/seras-victoria/2885123/seras-victoria-the-vampire-anime-hellsing-2885123.jpg) that is pretty much a living vampiric shadow which she can manipulate at will in a fight
Any reason they'd fight, though? Sakura doesn't go out seeking battles and Seras doesn't seem like a villain.
Yeah, beat up the guy who hasn't done anything yet, and who at this point is an all-around cool guy out to protect his waifu.
He gets worse guys, sure, but while he's young he's chill. He has a goal to make the world a better place, and has friends, that nice Tohsaka guy and his waifu that never loved him back.
Also he has a different name. Might be only Sakura would recognize him.
Hmm, well, if he's already started to transform himself into a worm man they'd be a little wary. At very least I think they'd tell him what he would become if he continued on that path.
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I'd say option one and then make Zouken the loving type of Grandfather, the kind that gives hugs and is mostly cheerful. It is a surefire way to weird out of The Emiya Family and maybe even temporarily break Sakura's mind.
It wouldn't break Sakura's mind, she's capable of accepting that Zouken wasn't always an amoral collection of penis worms.
That make sense, so maybe it would be Shirou that does the breaking of the mind. Also, Penis Worms?
I also wanna pit [Mike's] Sakura and Seras against each other at one point, which should be an interesting fight. They both use shadows in different ways, Seras has a arm (http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1920x1080/seras-victoria/2885123/seras-victoria-the-vampire-anime-hellsing-2885123.jpg) that is pretty much a living vampiric shadow which she can manipulate at will in a fight
Any reason they'd fight, though? Sakura doesn't go out seeking battles and Seras doesn't seem like a villain.
True, so maybe a spar instead?
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It wouldn't break Sakura's mind, she's capable of accepting that Zouken wasn't always an amoral collection of penis worms.
Then again, the worms are all she's ever really known. And Zouken doesn't know her as his granddaughter, he wouldn't exactly show up and be like "Hey Sakura it's me your grandfather, but before I was evil! Forgive me and give me hugs now, as we jump through space-time to give /extra-Shinji a hug for being ten years old and adorable."
He'd be throwing questions at her like "Why do you have my magecraft? Who are you? Why is there a servant here? The system is still incomplete, our test subjects couldn't be controlled. Run, run before it kills us all!"
Which he then follows up by carrying his great-grandson and granddaughter away, one under each arm, in an escape from Rider, who only sees him as Zouken: Evil Old Guy.
It would be amazing.
But then there's plot happening, so now isn't the time.
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That make sense, so maybe it would be Shirou that does the breaking of the mind.
Shirou would find it a bit disconcerting, yes, but I don't think it would cause him to break.
Also, Penis Worms?
Worms that look and act like penises....
True, so maybe a spar instead?
Yeah, it's possible. Sakura is quite happy to spar with someone, and she can heal herself from most wounds so you wouldn't have to be too careful.
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Worms that look and act like penises....
They also eat people.
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Then again, the worms are all she's ever really known.
What?
And Zouken doesn't know her as his granddaughter, he wouldn't exactly show up and be like "Hey Sakura it's me your grandfather, but before I was evil! Forgive me and give me hugs now, as we jump through space-time to give /extra-Shinji a hug for being ten years old and adorable."
Well, no, of course.
He'd be throwing questions at her like "Why do you have my magecraft? Who are you?
Well, Sakura doesn't really have many obvious signs of Zouken's magecraft any more. She still possesses the binding aspect and a water affinity, but most of her magic relies more on her shadow element.
Why is there a servant here? The system is still incomplete, our test subjects couldn't be controlled. Run, run before it kills us all!"
Hah, indeed.
Although, actually, he would be entirely right in that respect, since Sakura no longer has any command spells remaining. So, Rider is not in any way under Sakura's control, aside from by persuasion.
Which he then follows up by carrying his great-grandson and granddaughter away, one under each arm, in an escape from Rider, who only sees him as Zouken: Evil Old Guy.
It would be amazing.
But then there's plot happening, so now isn't the time.
Hah, I don't think Shirou or Sakura would let him do that. Plus, Rider would catch him in about a second and likely kill him before Sakura could yell at her to stop....
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I don't think Rider will have much time to torture Zouken. Ifyouknowwhati'msayingandIthinkyoudo.
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What?
I mean, mean old worm Zouken who rapes her every night is all she's ever known of him. She didn't see the little scene with Ilya.
Well, Sakura doesn't really have many obvious signs of Zouken's magecraft any more. She still possesses the binding aspect and a water affinity, but most of her magic relies more on her shadow element.
Well yes, but the fact she still has the binding and water affinity means there are still marks of Zouken's tampering on her.
He'd be able to recognize his own work on someone with the right element and everything else, at least, and that would give him the impression that she has his magecraft.
Also no Lantz, shoo. No killing each other's characters, remember?
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I don't think Rider will have much time to torture Zouken. Ifyouknowwhati'msayingandIthinkyoudo.
...Can you cool it with all your sex shit involving Rider? It's creeping me out Lantz.
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...oh, that's what he meant.
For some reason, I thought there was more than one Rider in play. Huh.
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What?
I mean, mean old worm Zouken who rapes her every night is all she's ever known of him. She didn't see the little scene with Ilya.
Yeah, definitely, but she's not stupid. She's aware that Zouken was obviously not born as a collection of penis worms....
She would, though, be a bit wary of him, I guess, because she is likely to expect that he's always been somewhat amoral.
I don't think Rider will have much time to torture Zouken. Ifyouknowwhati'msayingandIthinkyoudo.
Are you referring to her having too much fun with Toshi, or to someone else doing it first?
Because, honestly, I suspect Rider would probably make time in her busy schedule for something as important as giving the guy who made Sakura's entire childhood a living hell his just desserts....
Well, Sakura doesn't really have many obvious signs of Zouken's magecraft any more. She still possesses the binding aspect and a water affinity, but most of her magic relies more on her shadow element.
Well yes, but the fact she still has the binding and water affinity means there are still marks of Zouken's tampering on her.
He'd be able to recognize his own work on someone with the right element and everything else, at least, and that would give him the impression that she has his magecraft.
Yeah, he would probably pick up on it somewhat, especially with the hair and eyes.
I don't think Rider will have much time to torture Zouken. Ifyouknowwhati'msayingandIthinkyoudo.
...Can you cool it with all your sex shit involving Rider? It's creeping me out Lantz.
Why is it "creeping you out"?
Honestly, it's none of your damn business....
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Why is it "creeping you out"?
Honestly, it's none of your damn business....
Why? Because that's basically 90% of his questions in the ask a character thread to rider are sexual and it's rather creepy to me. Very, very creepy.
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It was a joke names because Rider is busy having sex.
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Why is it "creeping you out"?
Honestly, it's none of your damn business....
Why? Because that's basically 90% of his questions in the ask a character thread to rider are sexual and it's rather creepy to me. Very, very creepy.
It could always be worse, Rider could look like Jack[y] the Ripper and still have the same personality. Or Rider go into her monster form and then go have sex
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Or Rider go into her monster form and then go have sex
This is my fetish.
It gets me... stone hard.
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Or Rider go into her monster form and then go have sex
This is my fetish.
It gets me... stone hard.
Bad pun, dude, Bad pun but it did get a laugh
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It could always be worse, Rider could look like Jack[y] the Ripper and still have the same personality. Or Rider go into her monster form and then go have sex
...Oh god nononononononononononononono do not want
Or Rider go into her monster form and then go have sex
This is my fetish.
It gets me... stone hard.
I need to find that one comic now. Either that Oglaf one or that one from the 80's. Love that joke.
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Why is it "creeping you out"?
Honestly, it's none of your damn business....
Why? Because that's basically 90% of his questions in the ask a character thread to rider are sexual and it's rather creepy to me. Very, very creepy.
Yeah, well, you don't get a veto over what questions Lantz asks me or I choose to answer, so....
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Why is it "creeping you out"?
Honestly, it's none of your damn business....
Why? Because that's basically 90% of his questions in the ask a character thread to rider are sexual and it's rather creepy to me. Very, very creepy.
Yeah, well, you don't get a veto over what questions Lantz asks me or I choose to answer, so....
I know, I know, just saying it.
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I'm asking questions relevant to the character's behavior in the RP. Plus the answers are entertaining for several reasons and I like to laugh.
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To tell the truth I never thought that my Ask The Character's Thread would be so successful
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Lantz, I do have to say something about the castle.
From how you've described it in these posts:
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4059.html#msg4059 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4059.html#msg4059)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg3993.html#msg3993 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg3993.html#msg3993)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4019.html#msg4019 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4019.html#msg4019)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg5020.html#msg5020 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg5020.html#msg5020)
This castle does seem pretty X-Box HUEG. That may not have been your intention, but that's how it looks like to other players and even myself.
Satoshi finished the first part of his plan, ten thousand suits, they weren't much right then but he would awaken them with magic later, twenty four guards weren't enough to guard the gates, much less the compound.
Any place that can hold ten thousand suits of armor is going to be pretty big. Especially if they're going to be mobile. Plus in several of those posts, it kept growing.
I'm just saying that it is entirely plausible for someone to be able to sneak around it undetected at this point.
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Lantz, I do have to say something about the castle.
From how you've described it in these posts:
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4059.html#msg4059 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4059.html#msg4059)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg3993.html#msg3993 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg3993.html#msg3993)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4019.html#msg4019 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg4019.html#msg4019)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg5020.html#msg5020 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg5020.html#msg5020)
This castle does seem pretty X-Box HUEG. That may not have been your intention, but that's how it looks like to other players and even myself.
Satoshi finished the first part of his plan, ten thousand suits, they weren't much right then but he would awaken them with magic later, twenty four guards weren't enough to guard the gates, much less the compound.
Any place that can hold ten thousand suits of armor is going to be pretty big. Especially if they're going to be mobile. Plus in several of those posts, it kept growing.
I'm just saying that it is entirely plausible for someone to be able to sneak around it undetected at this point.
I can probably find a couple more if I look in there. This thing has been expanding like mad since it started. I mean, it also dwarfs skyscrapers in height.
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It's hollow, it hasn't finished forming. That's why Satoshi gave Rider directions. The knights aren't active yet there's a single large room to hold the armour. I'd have gone into describing it but as I said Raul decided to show up interrupting the flow of things.
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It's hollow, it hasn't finished forming. That's why Satoshi gave Rider directions. The knights aren't active yet there's a single large room to hold the armour. I'd have gone into describing it but as I said Raul decided to show up interrupting the flow of things.
Riiiiiight. Then why is it that Saber was able to see a bunch of this shit, there's apparently a kitchen, and a dining room for her?
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Seriously Arch, stop. You're being obstructive.
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Magos, be nice.
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Seriously Arch, stop. You're being obstructive.
You can't say "Oh, there's nothing but a courtyard." When you've stated before all this shit and these rooms, yes, there is something more.
Elf, I'm just pointing out the contradictions he's been stating here.
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You're ignoring the context of my statements Arch, I'm not being contradictory I'm speaking in context.
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You're ignoring the context of my statements Arch, I'm not being contradictory I'm speaking in context.
Well, apparently the contexts are very different. Oh wait, that doesn't make sense, because the original context should be in the RP and that indicates something very different to what you're stating here.
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Um, Elf? Joe weighs about 900lbs, so I don't think the chairs can hold his weight
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So I've decided to get in on this clusterfuck. If Magos can go around just busting into people's houses and shooting wildly (sorry bro but it was just a little bit of a dick move, even if I agree with you on some points) then it should be fine for Axe Cop to hear shots and check to see if there was a problem.
Also, Axe Cop's Lawful Good vs Mike's Chaotic Good would be fun to see.
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So I've decided to get in on this clusterfuck. If Magos can go around just busting into people's houses and shooting wildly (sorry bro but it was just a little bit of a dick move, even if I agree with you on some points) then it should be fine for Axe Cop to hear shots and check to see if there was a problem.
Also, Axe Cop's Lawful Good vs Mike's Chaotic Good would be fun to see.
I was invited inside actually.
Also, I think the Don is there at the moment which could lead to some serious complications.
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Aside from being a crime lord, Joe is also a public figure of high ranking and to be frank if Joe is arrested his lawyers will have him out in Less Then 12 hours. It won't help if AceCop recognizes Lawrence's car as the speeders car and decides to carry out his earlier threat of chopping off its wheels.
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Aside from being a crime lord, Joe is also a public figure of high ranking and to be frank if Joe is arrested his lawyers will have him out in Less Then 12 hours. It won't help if AceCop recognizes Lawrence's car as the speeders car and decides to carry out his earlier threat of chopping off its wheels.
Oh god. Do it Bloble! Worst day of Lawrence's ever.
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So what's the physical description of the place? I'm not going through 16 pages of people arguing and porn just to get a bead on what to call the background.
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Hmm, whoever is playing inferno cop, I don't think you're going to get into the castle....
Also, if you attempt to interact with anything that is going to result in a response from Lantz, you'l be waiting some time, since I still need to finish beta-reading the scene with Rider.
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Hmm, whoever is playing inferno cop, I don't think you're going to get into the castle....
Also, if you attempt to interact with anything that is going to result in a response from Lantz, you'l be waiting some time, since I still need to finish beta-reading the scene with Rider.
I'm just gonna knock on the front door. Could you be bothered to give me a physical description of where you guys are? I've skimmed a few posts but I haven't been able to get much from them.
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I'm just gonna knock on the front door.
Well, that requires someone to answer, so you'll probably be waiting a while. I don't think there's any way around that.
Could you be bothered to give me a physical description of where you guys are? I've skimmed a few posts but I haven't been able to get much from them.
If you mean the stronghold, it's probably best to ask Elf.
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Bah, screw it. If I'm gonna be waiting I might as well just give the most generic possible description.
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Magos, you don't have to drive Inferno Cop down to the castle. He'll just jump off once you get close enough, on a horizontal scale.
Because falling isn't a thing to him.
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And yes, Mike and Lantz, I'll wait.
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So a demon and a couple of cops are kicking in the lair of a dragon? I'd ask why but it seems like because is the answer. Also there's no knight outside the door ( assuming you are trying to enter the main building and not the courtyard.)
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Dude, the reason is right there in my post: It's a medieval castle sprouting up in the middle of an urban environment. Of course it would garner attention from the cops, among others.
Also it's just Inferno Cop, DoomCop is going elsewhere.
Anyway, it's just a door without a Knight? Alright, I'll edit that he's just wailing on the door instead.
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Dude, the reason is right there in my post: It's a medieval castle sprouting up in the middle of an urban environment. Of course it would garner attention from the cops, among others.
Also it's just Inferno Cop, DoomCop is going elsewhere.
Anyway, it's just a door without a Knight? Alright, I'll edit that he's just wailing on the door instead.
If he's wailing on the door to the castle proper... Raul is going to be very interested in why.
Time to check this shit out.
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H-Hey, just remember you're a cop. You won't do anything crazy like try to blow the place up, right?
Right?
oh god what have i done
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H-Hey, just remember you're a cop. You won't do anything crazy like try to blow the place up, right?
Right?
oh god what have i done
Possibly lead to the destruction of an unlawful building erected without obeying the building code or zoning regulations.
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Inferno Cop doesn't remember he's a cop half the time, despite the fact it's in his name.
And his first thought at the opportunity of 10,000$(in american dollars, it was originally a million Yen) was world domination.
So yeah, absolutely no need to worry.
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The compound is . . . well, on the outside it just looks like a large, five story brick building. Not quite a warehouse, but boxy like that. The way to get in is through the garage underground.
Also, the first two floors don't have windows.
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We need more Marvel-verse characters in Nexus, hell even Deadpool and Wolverine would be good. Though I already know that Wolverine would definitely join Team Asshole, how they would handle Deadpool I have no damn idea.
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We need more Marvel-verse characters in Nexus, hell even Deadpool and Wolverine would be good. Though I already know that Wolverine would definitely join Team Asshole, how they would handle Deadpool I have no damn idea.
The trick with Wade is to be nice to him, because no one ever is. So that would shock him so much into semi compliance. And then of course he'd be hitting on every attractive female around, with Seras and Forest being fair game because they're both of legal age and "Draculas" are cool.
Also character cap upped to 7.
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Now Lantz can add another character and I'm not stuck between who should appear next.
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Just so you know you are free to try and actually kill off Downy if you dare, though the closer he is to death the more surprised he'll have in store.
Also if anyone is still interested in this RP: http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,66.0.html (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,66.0.html)
I'll be waiting, if you want to join feel free to state so in the thread I'd like it to get going if possible.
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Well, now that the character limit's officially been upped, I'll point to my two new sheets and ask for some feedback. :) Keep in mind that I'm hiding certain details at the present time, but I'd still appreciate feedback regardless. When each one's secret is revealed, I'll update their sheets to reflect this. ...And also keep in mind that I initially wrote these sheets at like 4 in the morning while half awake. ^_^" I made Tom's sheet a bit less crappy this evening, but still.
...When I do the REVEAL for each one, should I just go ahead and wholesale update the thing, or keep the stuff I was keeping secret hidden in spoiler tags even after the reveal?
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Maybe this is just me and it could be, but wouldn't it be wise to hold on bringing out more characters for the meantime? We seem to be kinda crowded as it already is wouldn't just adding more on top of that just make things worse?
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Maybe this is just me and it could be, but wouldn't it be wise to hold on bringing out more characters for the meantime? We seem to be kinda crowded as it already is wouldn't just adding more on top of that just make things worse?
Yes, if we bring them into the same clusterfuck.
Hell, I'm planning on bringing in a character to work with Downy. How does he view mercenaries?
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Mainly as tools and nothing else, but he already has one of them in the shape of Grea.
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Mainly as tools and nothing else, but he already has one of them in the shape of Grea.
Alright. Fellow magic users?
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He has a large amount of those in the shape of his army.
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He has a large amount of those in the shape of his army.
What exactly does he need then?
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His goal now is to just hold out for a set amount of time so that his summoner can locate his position to bring in more reinforcements before finally destroying the city and leaving it for dead.
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Well, I tried to not really actively involve either of my two new characters in anything in their intro posts, so hopefully it shouldn't be a problem. Becky's heading towards the Compound, but that's about it.
...I think I had mixed results with this post. I think Tom's intro turned out OK-ish, but Becky's feels clunky for some reason. ^_^" Ah well, at least they're out there now.
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Say, Milbunk, what would Downy think of if a merchant with incredible, magically potent goods were to appear in front of his fortress and offer him stat-boosting items, rare weapons, magical tomes, defensive wall-creating runes and explosives in bottles, and generally anything he'd need to power up his troops all at low, low prices?
And offer to set up shop in his hideout where he can keep an eye on her, just to ensure that all her goods are only for his purchase?
Being good to clients you know need your wares is an excellent business strategy, after all.
Basically, if you're familiar with Fire Emblem, how would he react to an Anna going to him to sell her wares?
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He'd do one of three things, the first would be to kill said merchant off and take what they have on store at the time, the second would be to hypnotize them and just have them give the stuff to him, and the third would be to actually deal with said merchant for a short time as long as it's convenient to him.
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Seeing as Annas never seem to have their best stuff on first encounter, #1 would be very unwise. #2 might be possible, but restocking afterwards wouldn't. Annas wouldn't help a misbehaving customer, and the Annas' sibling network is how restock tends to happen.
#3 would be your best bet. And for the record, an Anna wouldn't betray Downy. Their moral compass points at money, with the rare exceptions. She'll sell Downy everything and anything he'll ever need, no holds barred. She just wouldn't fight for him either.
Annas aren't exactly combatants either, barring exceptions, so she'd seem completely harmless as well. Well, physically and magically at least. Mentally is something else.
Another way to think of them would be like the mask vendor in Majora's Mask, except cute and schemy-looking instead of creepy and plotty-looking.
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You do know that Anna actually has a boyfriend who joins your side in one FE, right? Kinda hard to say she's not at least slightly on the good guy's side.
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Never played that. Anyway, in continuing with my tradition of making WoD characters in this, probably going to roll up a vampire. A Gangrel to be precise. And if you don't know what I mean, you'll see...
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You do know that Anna actually has a boyfriend who joins your side in one FE, right? Kinda hard to say she's not at least slightly on the good guy's side.
Well, that's her boyfriend, not her. Even then, she doesn't really give him a discount at the shop either, so it's still very fair to say she doesn't pick sides.
And Awakening portrays the Annas to be merchants completely centered around gold, and the only people they really constantly dislike are brigands because brigands rob merchants. Fair to say if they get their currency, they don't really care who it's from. And the bad guys have to get their ridiculous array of items from somewhere[I/].
Besides, who's to say only a single Anna would hit Nexus city? Awakening reveals that there are thousands of them. The bad guy won't be the only one to have the honor of shopping from one, just saying.
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Sheesh what's with all this fire emblem talk when I'm busy playing through all the games. (On the second one Gaiden right now mind you.)
Also it's funny you bring up Anna as she's the one I picked for mr. tactician.
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Aw yeah, my brother.
...Wait, you married my wife.
Aw no, you dastard.
Anyway, if she popped up in front of Downy, we have some RPing potential?
Then I'm making a sheet.
EDIT: Hey Elf, is it possible to have more than one character with the exact same sheet?
I'm asking because there are literally thousands of Annas to go around.
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Surely they have backstories and personalites beyond just being "Annas". If nothing else they would look different and have different ages (and possibly original names).
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They all look the same, have the same name and look like they have the same age. They are also all perceived to have the same (or extremely similar) personality, because they all read from the same book as a child that contains all of the previous Annas happenings and memories.
Thus is the mystery of the Annas. Some believe them to be the unseen gods of chance of the Fire Emblem universe.
The RNG goddesses.
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Well, I think if you're playing two different characters they probably should actually have different sheets. After all, I'm not allowed two versions of Sakura....
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Well, I think if you're playing two different characters they probably should actually have different sheets. After all, I'm not allowed two versions of Sakura....
The thing is that despite being the same stat-wise and sheet-wise, they would be different people.
And I have five empty slots, so...
But I'd use numerals and stuff for simplicity's sake. Anna #1, #2... and so on.
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Well, I think if you're playing two different characters they probably should actually have different sheets. After all, I'm not allowed two versions of Sakura....
Mainly because you'd take all the Sakura's and have some giant Sakura orgy.
Oh look it's spring again.
Anyway, looking for Elf's go ahead. Alice, what do you say to Becca and Jack going out on the hunt?
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Yeah, the Annas are kinda like the Nurse Joys or the Officer Jennys from the Pokemon anime- they all look the same, have the exact same name, and have very similar personalities, but are all separate people.
And as for Becky and Jack teaming up, I'd have to catch up on some stuff, but sure, I can definitely think about it. :) Besides, even if she's on a mission, I can't see her turning down a chance to beat the crap outta some baddies too easily. :3
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Well, I think if you're playing two different characters they probably should actually have different sheets. After all, I'm not allowed two versions of Sakura....
The thing is that despite being the same stat-wise and sheet-wise, they would be different people.
And I have five empty slots, so...
But I'd use numerals and stuff for simplicity's sake. Anna #1, #2... and so on.
If they're different people, I feel there really should be at least some difference in their sheet. Especially personality-wise.
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Let me rephrase that: They're different beings. But apart from that, they're so incredibly similar you'd have to be one of them to figure out who's who.
There would be no difference in the sheets.
...Though I might make a different sheet for trickster Annas, I suppose, seeing as they're fighters as well as merchants. Statwise, they'd be different.
Anyway I need Elf's okay for the whole "More than one character for one sheet" thing before I put up sheets of anyone. There would be little point being the Anna swarm if I could only have one.
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Hmm, does anyone have any idea how popular American comic-book heroes are in Japan? Would Spiderman likely be known, or Captain America?
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Hmm, does anyone have any idea how popular American comic-book heroes are in Japan? Would Spiderman likely be known, or Captain America?
Hmm...
Japanese Spiderman Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPX-FX0KStE#)
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Hmm, does anyone have any idea how popular American comic-book heroes are in Japan? Would Spiderman likely be known, or Captain America?
Batman is pretty well known, and there has been a Spider-Man manga (It's Spider-Man, not Spiderman).
Also, Magos, your vamp dude is A-Okay.
NACHOS, for Anna, I'll allow it because it's a Fire Emblem thing. However, I'll only allow you to play two of them at this time. That sound okay?
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NACHOS, for Anna, I'll allow it because it's a Fire Emblem thing. However, I'll only allow you to play two of them at this time. That sound okay?
AWWWWWWWW
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
(that means that yes, it sounds okay)
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I'd figured as much.
I'm wanting to bring in another couple of characters, but figuring out who is going to be the problem.
Right now I'm definitely leaning towards Wynn and Gabriel Umbra. If you've read my serial, you should be aware of who they are. Plus Gabriel could fuck with every magic user here.
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To be honest mord, even if I knew who to pick (sad that I'm the Tsukihime major and no one else has seemingly read the novel, thus I'm left as the only one to play the characters) I think we have enough threads in play as it is.
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To be honest mord, even if I knew who to pick (sad that I'm the Tsukihime major and no one else has seemingly read the novel, thus I'm left as the only one to play the characters) I think we have enough threads in play as it is.
>Only one who's read the novel
I have. Hell, I'm rereading it to get all the Teach me Ciel Sensei's.
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Dude, look at my avatar. Tsukihime is my THING.
EDIT: Okay, not this avatar. But my BL one is of Arihiko and it's been that way since forever!
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Fair enough bloble, I've been stuck with just fate fans here for awhile now so that statement was more of habit then accuracy. But it is mostly Fate in the game so far you have to admit.
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Fair enough bloble, I've been stuck with just fate fans here for awhile now so that statement was more of habit then accuracy. But it is mostly Fate in the game so far you have to admit.
I'd say it's because Tsukihime has too much bullshit. Out of all the characters in it, only Ciel or Akiha are viable as good guys, and only SHIKI, Roa, and Nero Chaos are okay as villains, and they range from 'kinda stronger than a normal human' to 'can almost tank Excalibur'. So no easy power balancing there.
Shiki and Nanaya, forget it. If someone brings them in, someone else is going to rage the moment their character gets permanently injured in a fight and they can't bullshit a regeneration. So with these two it's way too easy to do too much damage or go crazy. And Arc... well, bringing her in unnerfed would put her square at the top of the food chain. Not a single one of the current characters can even touch her, so you'd need 30% Arc or a similarly weakened version.
Oh, and Shiki's not as dumb and suicidal as Shirou and co. Also another reason why he isn't as popular and thus not roleplayed as often.
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Milbunk, describe your hideout/fortress/basement to me so I know where I'm throwing Anna, and I don't make it sound completely different from what it is.
Pretty please.
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Fair enough bloble, I've been stuck with just fate fans here for awhile now so that statement was more of habit then accuracy. But it is mostly Fate in the game so far you have to admit.
I'd say it's because Tsukihime has too much bullshit. Out of all the characters in it, only Ciel or Akiha are viable as good guys, and only SHIKI, Roa, and Nero Chaos are okay as villains, and they range from 'kinda stronger than a normal human' to 'can almost tank Excalibur'. So no easy power balancing there.
Shiki and Nanaya, forget it. If someone brings them in, someone else is going to rage the moment their character gets permanently injured in a fight and they can't bullshit a regeneration. So with these two it's way too easy to do too much damage or go crazy. And Arc... well, bringing her in unnerfed would put her square at the top of the food chain. Not a single one of the current characters can even touch her, so you'd need 30% Arc or a similarly weakened version.
Oh, and Shiki's not as dumb and suicidal as Shirou and co. Also another reason why he isn't as popular and thus not roleplayed as often.
Well, I think Kohaku and Hisui could be used in principle, although they wouldn't be very strong. Arc would be a problem, yeah, because she's too powerful, and Shiki's method of fighting does pose a problem (but, then, I don't think he's the only one who that applies to).
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Well, when it comes to posing a problem, I can't imagine a fighting style more problematic than Shiki's, other than perhaps Zero Lancer's if he uses his annoying spear.
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His base is just the old abandoned roof of an apartment building where the core of his rooftop is.
Also it's funny cause Anna looks a lot of what I imagine his sister used to look like.
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To be honest mord, even if I knew who to pick (sad that I'm the Tsukihime major and no one else has seemingly read the novel, thus I'm left as the only one to play the characters) I think we have enough threads in play as it is.
To be even more fair I have not played, read or seen any of the Type-MOON Series for myself and I am working mostly off of stuff I learned/adapted from FanFictions and the Type Moon Wikia. My knowledge of those series and such comes directly from the wikia site and fanfictions, so don't be too depressed Lantz.
Also if you have no idea as to what character you want to bring in next, try for a villain that can cause problems for the heroes and escape to fight another day. It could be an OC, a OOC Canon Character from the Type-Moon Universe or you could just bring in an unaltered character from somewhere as your character. The possibilities are endless and I know you have the imagination to do so.
I have already chosen my last two characters, one is that OC I spoke of in the Corner [Red the Walking (formerly Living) Leyline] and the other is another guy from my other favorite Anime Series [One Piece] who was summoned by Red as a Servant Rider. His identity? He wears a Straw Hat.
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Monkey D luffy? Well we already have a bunch of crazy characters around so I guess that works.
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Monkey D luffy? Well we already have a bunch of crazy characters around so I guess that works.
The Post Time Skip version and one of his noble phantasms allows for him to either summon one members of his crew but they are all Heroic Spirits of their own rights [A++ Prana requirement] or summon the entire crew all together [A+++ Prana Requirement].
Luffy = Rider
Zoro = Saber
Nami = Lancer & Caster
Usopp = Archer
Sanji = Lancer & Assassin
Chopper = Berserker
Robin = Assassin & Caster
Franky = Rider
Brook = Saber
When I thought Red up, he is supposed to be my answer to Milbunk's "Downy Reed" character as in a character that could slug it out with Downy in terms of large scale spells and power.
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OK, well, I finally got around to making my post. Sorry it's taken so long, I've just been really busy the last week or so.
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OK, well, I finally got around to making my post. Sorry it's taken so long, I've just been really busy the last week or so.
So when the hell will you and Lantz be done with your scene? You've had months.
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OK, well, I finally got around to making my post. Sorry it's taken so long, I've just been really busy the last week or so.
So when the hell will you and Lantz be done with your scene? You've had months.
Yeah, again, I've been really busy since he wrote it. The problem is entirely on my end, not his.
You really don't have any right to demand that we finish quickly, though, we didn't ask you to show up at the castle. If you chose to do so despite the situation then honestly that's your problem.
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Yeah, again, I've been really busy since he wrote it. The problem is entirely on my end, not his.
You really don't have any right to demand that we finish quickly, though, we didn't ask you to show up at the castle. If you chose to do so despite the situation then honestly that's your problem.
Considering the real problem is that you two thought a giant castle appearing out of nowhere in the center of a busy metropolis not attracting attention. And you have no right to demand that we stay away from said castle either.
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This is why I have yet to approach the castle at all, I will wait until the castle becoming fully defined before entering its halls and for things to move along quicker because right now everything is moving at a stand still
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Yeah, again, I've been really busy since he wrote it. The problem is entirely on my end, not his.
You really don't have any right to demand that we finish quickly, though, we didn't ask you to show up at the castle. If you chose to do so despite the situation then honestly that's your problem.
Considering the real problem is that you two thought a giant castle appearing out of nowhere in the center of a busy metropolis not attracting attention.
Not really. It obviously attracts attention, but that doesn't mean you have to approach it.
And you have no right to demand that we stay away from said castle either.
No, but you have no right to assume we will post at your convinience if you do approach it, and nor do you have the right to act without letting Lantz respond.
We told you what the situation was, and you still chose to go to the castle. Therefore, any waiting that occurs is entirely your fault. We are not going to compromise our enjoyment of the RP for your benefit.
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Cherry's been really busy with some important stuff IRL, so he can't really help that part of it. And while they don't have the right to forbid entry into the castle so long as said entry is justified and GM sanctioned, they do have the right to ask for people to wait while they finish a scene.
However, I definitely agree about the castle in general. While I won't go into the impossibility of the place again at the moment, the problem is that it is really hard to ignore. While people should still show courtesy with certain things (IE, allowing the scene to be finished, allowing people a chance to respond, etc), you can't blame the other characters for taking notice and wanting to investigate, nor them entering the grounds and poking around.
Plus, as I've said countless times, it's ultimately Elf's call as the GM, and she already made her ruling on this a while back.
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Not really. It obviously attracts attention, but that doesn't mean you have to approach it.
Unless, you know, you're part of the police force and are looking up a disturbance. Which IC totally is, and is doing.
But like I said, I'm coo with waiting. Just imagine that all the time between my last IC post up until the post you answer, he's been hitting that fucking door like it stole his grandma's wallet and beat her into a comma.
Inferno Cop's one crazy dude.
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You were warned that you would have to wait Arch. And since you are just assuming your facts I'll correct you. The castle in not in the center of the city. Satoshi specifically chose an abandoned area of the city where people were not presents as to draw less scrutiny from police and to make sure no one was hurt. The place he chose was an abandoned block so while it might have people wondering what it is for they would assume it was just redevelopment.
the castle was created by magic, it's like prefab work on a building, until Satoshi completes it it doesn't have much to it.
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You know, your entire post doesn't have any weight unless you say this kind of thing as soon as you make the castle. Otherwise, as relevant. You know, like when the cops bring up investigating. No one is going to read the entire thread from the beginning to gather tiny, inconsequential tidbits like that.
Because you didn't do that, you look like you're making stuff up to retroactively prove yourself right. And seeing as you didn't deem fit to bring this up when IC showed up at the door, it makes me tilt more in that direction than anything else. You do sound like you're pulling stuff out of your ass, and I'd accuse you of it if I didn't have a phd in "deciphering intentions from terrible wording and timing." As it stands, instead all I see is that you fueled yet another easily-avoided misunderstanding.
Come on, man. Communicate a little. It's really starting to hamper you, and wear me down.
Besides, castle-scale redevelopment doesn't happen overnight. Faceless mooks or not, no one is that stupid. And one block isn't enough to make it THAT out-of-sight.
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When I made the castle it was a three post thing, I don't see why I should be constantly made to restate these facts without cause. And yes until I finish the scene and we finally reply I don't have a reason in game to restate the details.
it's not my fault you guys sowed up at what was a point where the bloody details were irrelevant. I'll describe the blasted place when I post next, until then stop presuming the bloody details.
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The discussion thread exists for a reason.
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It's like four am, I honestly don't feel like discussion of this, you'll get your damn description just bloody wait
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The problem is when you stated "Oh hai Mark, I'm building a castle" you didn't expand on any details about it in the thread. How the fuck were we supposed to know there wasn't anything in there if we didn't have any indication as to that being the case, and all the indications to the contrary - the throne room, the fight with Rider, Alter's dining room, how you stated how fucking big it was etc. etc.
And how the hell were we supposed to know about the location, and about how 'Hey, it's somehow out of the way and not too obvious while still being visible from EVERY POINT IN THE CITY."
Quit pulling shit out of your ass Lantz.
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The fight with Rider had her walking through a bunch of empty rooms and then meeting Satoshi. I don't see there being much there, although I will admit that I did think the castle was bigger than Lantz is saying now.
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Description will be later, wait for it.
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The problem is that some of the stuff you're saying now doesn't match up with what was said in the RP itself. The castle has to be pretty huge if it can be seen from every point in the city- otherwise there's no logical way it could have that infrastructure and all those rooms without collapsing in on itself. It can't get away with being like a sky scraper because it's built with brick. Even if it's magical Angra brick, it can't get away with that sort of structure, it's physically impossible. Plus if it somehow can because of magical Angra brick, that should pretty much forbid her from making a physical form (I still say that's impossible anyway, but assuming it is actually possible), because the defiance of basic physics here should be putting more of a strain on her.
Again, while people should show courtesy in terms of waiting for people to finish a post if they request it, again, these details and inconsistencies are hard to ignore, and again, in the RP itself it's stated that the castle can be seen from every point in the city. Just because you say something else doesn't undo what's already been said in the RP, and the rest of the details have to comply with what you've already established, lest you destroy what little suspension of disbelief is remaining here.
In other words, while a lot of this is, yet again, poor communication, it does seem like you're just making excuses somewhat. I do think you need to think these things out more carefully and actually listen to what we have to say.
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The problem is I've been hounded pointlessly over this as is the case usually over everything you guys have problems with. I'll be clear so listen. Wait for my description proper. That's it, I don't care what you think is impossible or whatever.
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You're not being hounded over it though- it's a genuine problem that needs to be fixed. You keep just dismissing criticism as "hounding" or "oppression" or "harassment," when we're only pointing it out because it's well, a problem. There's a reason people keep saying you can't take criticism, and this is it.
This many people wouldn't be questioning it if there weren't a legitimate issue. Other than Magos on a few occasions, it's been all stated pretty politely for this issue too. It's not people out to get you or whatever, people are just trying to help while attempting to keep the RP enjoyable for themselves and the group as a whole as well.
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I have told you before that I regard criticism differently then the rest of you. None of you listen so the issue is never resolved. In short the compromise is to wait , the description will happen on my next post, no discussion required.
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I have told you before that I regard criticism differently then the rest of you. None of you listen so the issue is never resolved. In short the compromise is to wait , the description will happen on my next post, no discussion required.
...No, the problem is that you don't listen to criticism period. The fact that you view it differently doesn't matter, because criticism is criticism in every form. You still need to listen to it.
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I do listen to criticism. I've been clear about that. I won't bother with explaining the details of it again.
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I do listen to criticism. I've been clear about that. I won't bother with explaining the details of it again.
Haha oh god. Then link it.
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Magos, be nice.
Also, lantz, the problem is that, even if you listen, you don't tend to show that you heed it, hence why it comes off like you don't listen. You may actually be reading, processing, and accounting for a piece of criticism, but you often don't seem to actually be doing anything with the criticism you receive, and that's what frustrates people. Perhaps it's more miscommunication, but it makes the people that are giving said criticism feel like they're not actually accomplishing anything.
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I evaluate and address my work privately for a number of reasons not the least of which is when I do acknowledge anything as off or wrong people take that as license to nit pick everything else I say from that point on. It's disrespectful to everyone who helped me and disrespectful to assume I do not know what I am doing. I'm hardly inclined to change the way I do things when I get the attitude I have when I try to explain things.
i am willing to discuss things but only when i am certain i will not be disrespected, the key is that i want to be listened to not argued with ( and this has happened repeatedly) if i can be sure that discussion will stay discussion rather than an argument i would be more receptive to talking about this stuff.
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I evaluate and address my work privately for a number of reasons not the least of which is when I do acknowledge anything as off or wrong people take that as license to nit pick everything else I say from that point on. It's disrespectful to everyone who helped me and disrespectful to assume I do not know what I am doing. I'm hardly inclined to change the way I do things when I get the attitude I have when I try to explain things.
i am willing to discuss things but only when i am certain i will not be disrespected, the key is that i want to be listened to not argued with ( and this has happened repeatedly) if i can be sure that discussion will stay discussion rather than an argument i would be more receptive to talking about this stuff.
>Only when I'm certain not to be disrespected
Wow, it's almost like you invite disrespect by not revealing this shit first thing. And it isn't disrespectful to you to nitpick things - it's our way of trying to help you, by pointing out things that don't work or are wrong.
Basically, this attitude prevents you from taking ANY sort of advice, and as an author will prevent you from improving at all. You need someone to point out the flaw in things, that the Emperor has no clothes.
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i am willing to discuss things but only when i am certain i will not be disrespected, the key is that i want to be listened to not argued with ( and this has happened repeatedly) if i can be sure that discussion will stay discussion rather than an argument i would be more receptive to talking about this stuff.
So, you just want to state things and no reaction to it? I wouldn't really call that a discussion.
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No Daiki. I want actual discussion rather the pointless nit picking or verbal abuse. For that to happen people have to listen when I explain things without flipping out.
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No Daiki. I want actual discussion rather the pointless nit picking or verbal abuse. For that to happen people have to listen when I explain things without flipping out.
Which COULD happen if you actually, you know, posted shit here. But since you don't, nothing happens. And we do listen lantz. The problem is that most of the time we find your explanations lacking.
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Get back on target people! Focus on the present not the past! Lets get the story moving forwards not backwards.
The problem is that most of the time we find your explanations lacking.
I don't although that might be because I was once in a RP based forum where there was this one guy with over 5K posts and they were never more than two sentences that with little to no spelling done correctly, the admin's never banned him because he was one of their oldest members.
Lantz is nowhere near lacking in comparison with that guy and thank the root for that, so would you please stay on topic and wait for Lantz to get to the castle of his own time so that your characters can do their thing, do you get me, Magos?
I might as well make a ranting thread in the garden for your guys to vent on without clogging up the Discussion Board
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there was this one guy with over 5K posts and they were never more than two sentences that with little to no spelling done correctly, the admin's never banned him because he was one of their oldest members.
(http://i.imgur.com/6UR8gaH.gif)
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Get back on target people! Focus on the present not the past! Lets get the story moving forwards not backwards.
The problem is that most of the time we find your explanations lacking.
I don't although that might be because I was once in a RP based forum where there was this one guy with over 5K posts and they were never more than two sentences that with little to no spelling done correctly, the admin's never banned him because he was one of their oldest members.
Lantz is nowhere near lacking in comparison with that guy and thank the root for that, so would you please stay on topic and wait for Lantz to get to the castle of his own time so that your characters can do their thing, do you get me, Magos?
I might as well make a ranting thread in the garden for your guys to vent on without clogging up the Discussion Board
thank the root for that
GET OUT
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By lacking I mean, lacking in any substance, anything concrete, and in general causing more questions to be asked than answering any. Lantz is a master at saying everything while saying nothing.
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GET OUT
DUDE OKAY
DAT'S BETTER NOW
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GO FUCK YOURSELF.
DUDE EDIT DAT SHIT
DAT'S NOT COOL
YOU DON'T SWEAR BY DA ROOT MAN. DAT SHIT AIN'T KOSHER MAN!
DAT SHIT GABREL BLESSING BULLSHIT MAN, DATS NOT COOL YO!
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something something
GENERAL APPROVAL
YOU DON'T SWEAR BY DA ROOT MAN. DAT SHIT AIN'T KOSHER MAN!
DAT SHIT GABREL BLESSING BULLSHIT MAN, DATS NOT COOL YO!
SNAKE EEEEEEEEEEAAAAATER
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GO FUCK YOURSELF.
DUDE EDIT DAT SHIT
DAT'S NOT COOL
YOU DON'T SWEAR BY DA ROOT MAN. DAT SHIT AIN'T KOSHER MAN!
DAT SHIT GABREL BLESSING BULLSHIT MAN, DATS NOT COOL YO!
GABE AIN'T COOL YO BUT THAT DON'T MEAN YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE NOT COOL
YOU COULD HAVE JUST TOLD HIM TO GET OUT
I GET IT DAWG EDITING DAT SHIT YO
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SOMETHING SOMETHING CACTUS
I LOVE WILLY WONKA
YOU DON'T SWEAR BY DA ROOT MAN. DAT SHIT AIN'T KOSHER MAN!
DAT SHIT GABREL BLESSING BULLSHIT MAN, DATS NOT COOL YO!
I AM PREPARED TO GRAB YOUR CROTCH
I GET IT DAWG EDITING DAT SHIT YO
EDITS NOTICED, COUNTER-EDITS MADE
MISSION SUCCESSFUL, AGENT BOND.
Speaking of RPing, that WW2 TFV idea you had? I should be reading the dogs of war book to properly think up character builds, right?
I mean, hypothetical character builds. I've been thinking on it.
And in general stuff.
I dunno. Sounds cool.
You cannot handle my topic-changing spaghetti skills.
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EDITS NOTICED, COUNTER-EDITS MADE
MISSION SUCCESSFUL, AGENT BOND.
Speaking of RPing, that WW2 TFV idea you had? I should be reading the dogs of war book to properly think up character builds, right?
I mean, hypothetical character builds. I've been thinking on it.
And in general stuff.
I dunno. Sounds cool.
You cannot handle my topic-changing spaghetti skills.
Right, though I'd rather wrap up an arc in our standard Hunter game first. As is the TFV idea is currently on the shelf for a later date, the idea of it is just too fun to pass up.
Of course, I'm modifying some of TFVs history and such, but honestly of all the Conspiracies they were the weakest writing wise.
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Right, though I'd rather wrap up an arc in our standard Hunter game first.
Of course. It'd be rude to the other players to just drop that because we looked at something else and found it cool.
And you know, we're still having fun with it. That too.
I guess I'll just read up on TFV in the meantime. Read up on dogs of war, too, while I'm at it.
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It appears sanity has taken a backseat here and we've gone off topic. Again
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Well, when we were last on topic everything was negative and slowly spiraling downwards.
We've taken a breather from that. Because of it, once things are on topic again, it'll be harder for things to get as negative as before.
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Hey Alice. Magos. Do ya mind if Seras joins in on the little nosferatu pow wow goin on?
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lol, Sure thing. :) Make sure to wait and see if Magos is cool with it too though. Though don't expect Random Alley Vampire to last very long, especially with all the poor decisions she keeps making. :3
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Oh man, the temptation to allow Lancer to become "Spear Cop" is too strong.
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No problemo mord. Though yes, Rav is gonna get seriously fucked up if things keep going this way.
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Though don't expect Random Alley Vampire to last very long, especially with all the poor decisions she keeps making. :3
Oh I don't. Any idea of what weapon she should bring out? I was thinking either Alucard's 'babies' or Seras' signature firearm aka The Harkonnen [aka a breach loaded 30mm Anti-Tank Rifle which Seras can carry about like a normal soldier can carry about their assault rifle]
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Oh man, the temptation to allow Lancer to become "Spear Cop" is too strong.
Surrender to your desires! You know what you want to do!
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Surrender to your desires! You know what you want to do!
I do want to, plus that would be hilarious. Not to mention, ironically, Lancer would be the most sane one out of the group.
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Surrender to your desires! You know what you want to do!
I do want to, plus that would be hilarious. Not to mention, ironically, Lancer would be the most sane one out of the group.
You could just have Lancer say no and then bring in one of Lancer's alternate selves, who does accept the offer. The Lancer later meets his doppelganger and they out drinking, leaving the tab for Axe Cop or Joe to pick up.
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You could just have Lancer say no and then bring in one of Lancer's alternate selves, who does accept the offer. The Lancer later meets his doppelganger and they out drinking, leaving the tab for Axe Cop or Joe to pick up.
The thing of it is, I think Lancer would do it though. He'd see it as a group of heroes going on a quest to fight something. And he's not going to turn down a fight.
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"Spear Cop" would be awesome. :3
Also, I suspect RAV's time is already drawing a bit short. Poor one off NPC, you survive a mediocre fight scene with a PC only to die so soon.
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Also, I suspect RAV's time is already drawing a bit short. Poor one off NPC, you survive a mediocre fight scene with a PC only to die so soon.
Not quite, Seras gutted her. Literally but she still lives, so she has given Magos' character a customised silenced desert eagle loaded with explosive [.50 caliber] blessed silver bullets to finish the job. Unless you got back up souls, Blessed Silver Bullets will ruin any undead's day
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Not quite, Seras gutted her. Literally but she still lives, so she has given Magos' character a customised silenced desert eagle loaded with explosive [.50 caliber] blessed silver bullets to finish the job. Unless you got back up souls, Blessed Silver Bullets will ruin any undead's day
Well, it wouldn't kill Forest, it would just hurt her like hell and piss her off.
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So, this 'arsehole bad guy' refers to...? (I've lost track of who's who)
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So, this 'arsehole bad guy' refers to...? (I've lost track of who's who)
Dark Archer specifically.
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Hmm, I don't think Rin is going to be very happy with Lancer....
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Not quite, Seras gutted her. Literally but she still lives, so she has given Magos' character a customised silenced desert eagle loaded with explosive [.50 caliber] blessed silver bullets to finish the job. Unless you got back up souls, Blessed Silver Bullets will ruin any undead's day
Well, it wouldn't kill Forest, it would just hurt her like hell and piss her off.
It'd just make Jack shrug, if it even got through his skin.
Also, silencing .50 AE?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. IT ISN'T A SILENCER. IT'S A SUPPRESSOR.
You can't suppress most supersonic loads effectively by the way. And .50 AE is most certainly supersonic.
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Well, I'd imagine a supersonic bullet would at least produce some sort of mini sonic boom, by the very nature of it. And, I can't see how you could prevent that, because it's inherent in how sound travels.
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It does, but a suppressor does cut down on the noise a load. Use one myself for dogs. Never see it coming, keeps them a little calmer once the shooting starts.
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Having Axe Cop act normal feels weird. It's like making a giant trampoline to get to the top floor of a building and then using the stairs instead. But then again, even Axe Cop can't be zany all the time.
Actually, in canon he leaves normal crimes to normal cops, but since he hasn't seen any in Nexus, he's elected to take up the mantle himself. So you could say that this is a new experience for him. Not being able to just go in and chop heads off is frustrating.
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But it is pretty funny though. Well maybe he can fight a zombie T-rex later.
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So... I'm guessing Ran is waiting for "the landlady" in front of the wrong door in the wrong part of the basement?
Well, at least it'll be funny when someone does find her.
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Hmm, has anyone pointed out to Axe Cop yet that he has no evidence that the city even has speed limits...?
Also, in the US, is it technically illegal to run faster than the speed limit? I know in this country it is illegal to speed on a bicycle, and there may be some technicality that makes the same true for running in some circumstances.
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Hmm, has anyone pointed out to Axe Cop yet that he has no evidence that the city even has speed limits...?
Also, in the US, is it technically illegal to run faster than the speed limit? I know in this country it is illegal to speed on a bicycle, and there may be some technicality that makes the same true for running in some circumstances.
You are making the mistake of assuming that logic works here. Besides, there are speed limit signs on the road, because I say so and no one cares enough to dispute it.
(watch elf make me eat my words)
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You are making the mistake of assuming that logic works here.
Well, I was assuming Axe Cop would follow the law. Some laws (e.g. against murder) can be extrapolated, but something like a speed limit doesn't really make sense in the absense of a government to implement it. And I certainly don't see any evidence of the Nexus having a government....
Besides, there are speed limit signs on the road, because I say so and no one cares enough to dispute it.
(watch elf make me eat my words)
Well, Magos might care, if he doesn't particularly want to have to fight you or get arrested....
Also, I do kind-of care, because it seems unrealistic that there would be speed limits and no apparent government to implement them. Someone has to decree that these limits exist and what they are, after all....
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Well, I was assuming Axe Cop would follow the law. Some laws (e.g. against murder) can be extrapolated, but something like a speed limit doesn't really make sense in the absense of a government to implement it. And I certainly don't see any evidence of the Nexus having a government....
There has been a lot of mention of police and what's left of them since I started playing (didn't read the rest lol) coming from everyone in the crew, including those who haven't met the police squad yet, and police officers are government employed.
So there must have been a government at some point. That has to count for something.
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Well, it is possible to have a police force without a government. Hell, that's what Axe Cop and friends are doing right now. They might not have any official authority but, then, the government only has authority because people believe it does, so why should police be any different?
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Yes, but Axe Cop & friends don't give a shit about money, all for different reasons. Normal police officers need money to buy food and live and whatnot, hence the fact the government "employs" them.
Unless Nexus had some communist police system or something to pay its officers.
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Ah, I just got it. There is a speed limit and Lawrence was speeding because Axe Cop is the President of the World and he says so.
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Yes, but Axe Cop & friends don't give a shit about money, all for different reasons. Normal police officers need money to buy food and live and whatnot, hence the fact the government "employs" them.
Unless Nexus had some communist police system or something to pay its officers.
Well, it certainly doesn't seem to have a tax system as far as I can tell, or a particularly competent police force. I'm not sure how the former police force were paid (I'm not sure Elf even intended there to be a police force when she designed the setting), but there is no indication of there being a government to do so. It's possible they were funded by donations, like a charity, or any number of other things (including things that would usually be illegal).
I guess we need Elf to decree if the Nexus does have a government (albeit presumably a weak one) to define speed limits and the like....
Ah, I just got it. There is a speed limit and Lawrence was speeding because Axe Cop is the President of the World and he says so.
Well, it works when the Mayor of New York says it, and I don't see any fundamental reason why he has any more right to say that than Axe Cop does (yes, I'm aware he's elected, but plenty of rulers are not)....
I would say that is a somewhat Chaotic viewpoint to take, though, so I doubt it makes sense when applied to Axe Cop....
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I'd argue that it isn't. Axe Cop is meant to keep the peace. Speeding is something that endangers people. Based on the urban setting, Axe Cop decreed a speed limit and anyone violating it is causing danger to innocents. This is not in violation of any moral code, and in fact only reinforces Axe Cop's belief system. Otherwise, any King who creates laws would be Chaotic.
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I'd argue that it isn't. Axe Cop is meant to keep the peace. Speeding is something that endangers people. Based on the urban setting, Axe Cop decreed a speed limit and anyone violating it is causing danger to innocents. This is not in violation of any moral code, and in fact only reinforces Axe Cop's belief system. Otherwise, any King who creates laws would be Chaotic.
Isn't it a fundamental requirement of the law that it be publicised prior to penalising people for breaking it? Especially in the case of laws that are somewhat arbitrary in nature (things like which side of the road you drive on, how fast you can drive etc.). The speed limit in a city in Japan might not be the same as the speed limit in the US or Britain. And nor is it even the same everywhere in the city.
Also, speeding can endanger people, but it doesn't always do so. It depends on the circumstances. Rider, for example, can probably safely ride a motorbike on a busy street at well over 100 MPH, because her reactions are good enough that she can avoid any danger.
As for the "King" example, the fundamental difference is that a King considers himself to be a legitimate authority with the legal right to make laws. As a Police Officer, Axe Cop does not have that right, and it would take a hell of a lot of dubious mental gymnastics to justify taking it, particularly in the case of something ill-defined like speeding laws.
What you're suggesting is more like the King's advisor making up laws on the King's behalf in explicit contradiction to the King's desires because the King is too incompetent to do so himself. Perfectly sensible, perhaps, but not really Lawful.
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dammit mike I am not writing a legitimate argument for a joke character
Okay, how about this: Axe Cop decided Lawrence was speeding because his car was going waaaaay too fast to be reasonably safe anywhere.
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dammit mike I am not writing a legitimate argument for a joke character
Lol, I understand. I guess that he's having to be more serious here than he usually would be....
The worst that happens here is that you can't arrest Lawrence, though, which I don't think is that big a deal. The guy is not a normal human, he doesn't really follow normal human rules.
Okay, how about this: Axe Cop decided Lawrence was speeding because his car was going waaaaay too fast to be reasonably safe anywhere.
Again, that seems logical but not really lawful. If someone does something horrendously wrong but some legal technicality or oversight means it's not criminal then the police can't just arrest them anyway on the grounds that it was clearly wrong.
Situations like that are where people like Forest come in (in this world, anyway)....
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Hm.... how about if I make Axe Cop Chaotic Lawful Good?
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Heh, lol.
Well, I guess how he acts is up to you, in the end.
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Let him play like he wants. You're arguing over a minor detail.
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I never said he couldn't play as he wants.
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Arguing over inconsequential details is the pinnacle of gentlemanly sport.
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Well, pointlessly arguing the toss is a speciality of mine, yes :P
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Lets just say Law was going 30 in a 25 zone and call it a day. Axe Cop is that dedicated.
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OK, Lantz, how do all your characters know things IC that they shouldn't? This is some serious bullshit. That's God Modding plain and simple.
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Eh, what in particular are you talking about?
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Eh, what in particular are you talking about?
The Moon Cell. Angra shouldn't know about it. There's other things as well, but I'd need to dig through the RP to find them. As is though, Angra is cruising for a smackdown with the way she's acting.
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Angra knows because she is connected to Satoshi and Satoshi has been to the moon cell. She knows because he does.
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Angra knows because she is connected to Satoshi and Satoshi has been to the moon cell. She knows because he does.
It still rubs me the wrong way. And how does she know he isn't just summoned normally?
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She explains that in character. The counter force didn't make Archer attack her, thus the logical assumption is that something prevents that, as such she considered the options and came to the conclusion.
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She explains that in character. The counter force didn't make Archer attack her, thus the logical assumption is that something prevents that, as such she considered the options and came to the conclusion.
Err... Lantz? As a Servant, EMIYA doesn't need to listen to Alaya. At all.
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Yeah, I'm not convinced about that bit either. Archer is not a Counter Guardian when summoned as a servant, he can act completely freely.
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Well aware. That's the reason he could try his plan of escape in fsn. In any case she believes what she said.
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Yeah, I'm not convinced about that bit either. Archer is not a Counter Guardian when summoned as a servant, he can act completely freely.
Exactly - he can draw on power if need be, but he's not a Counter Guardian - otherwise he would have flipped his shit when the Shadow first popped up.
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Well aware. That's the reason he could try his plan of escape in fsn. In any case she believes what she said.
...Except that now, you're saying, she went with the moon cell over the more logical "He was Summoned."
That's some seriously thick shit you're asking me to buy there lantz.
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Not very valid answer is the most logical, especially coming from an amalgamation of the evil of humankind
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Normally I wouldn't exactly care if a character has an allergic reaction to something but I'm very confused about Rebecca here. I checked her sheet to see if there was a Karen like reaction to evil but there's nothing. So what's the haps yo? Angra isn't projecting an aura of any kind which leads me to think that Becky here will have the same reaction to anyone possessed by Angra's curse
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It should make sense in a bit. Her sheet right now is not her true sheet- once I reveal who she really is, I'll update it properly. For now, I'll just say this- note how she said she was worried about the same thing that happened to her dad happening to her. If I have to though, I can make her proper sheet in the OC thread and just post it all in a spoiler tag.
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Reading comprehension and reading between the eyes works wonders Lantz.
I have to say - nice move.
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So, let's see how real this shit will get.
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On the Ron Paul scale, this has a reached a 'It's Happening'
(http://i.imgur.com/D6Huia8.jpg)
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Like I said I don't really care if she is allergic. The reason however is not evident which, while that is somewhat the point here it appears stranger for it, her dad I'm guessing is a canon character like I guess Shirou or one of the other fate guys or maybe rin's daughter or something.
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She's not so much allergic so much as she's suffering from becoming corrupted- her proximity to Angra is the trigger here. As for the parents, well... you're closer than you think.
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Want. To. Chop.
Can't. Attack. First.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
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Go go ghost powers.
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Two things, firstly we should have waited for elf and mike to reply, so let's do that before continuing. Second, just a heads up for those who may have forgot, Angra doesn't have a solid body in the traditional sense, she can dissolve it at any given time. It's the same as dying for her only voluntary. Just for those looking to attack her
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Yeah, please don't skip ahead when there are other people involved, it makes replying a nightmare.
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...I'm not going to comment on the dissolving body thing for now, but as for the replying thing, for me at least, I wasn't planning on going any further than this- Hakuno's only on standby for now, since just charging Angra before seeing if she's willing to leave or before seeing what Axe Cop does would be stupid, and Archer's just waiting to see where Fore wants him to take Rebecca. Honestly, I can't really post beyond that anyway unless I decide to post with one of my characters that still have a free action, such as Finn, and he can't do much anyway in this case.
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Her body has always been presented that way, it's malleable and clay like, she holds the shape by choice and can dissolve it at any time, it's why she can alter her clothes and features, she is basically the same as grail mud only with less physical mess upon death or release.
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Two things, firstly we should have waited for elf and mike to reply, so let's do that before continuing. Second, just a heads up for those who may have forgot, Angra doesn't have a solid body in the traditional sense, she can dissolve it at any given time. It's the same as dying for her only voluntary. Just for those looking to attack her
Firstly, she's kinda bringing the attack on herself if she doesn't leave. Secondly, if its spiritual activity, Lawrence or the Driver WILL sense it. Not reacting is out of character. Thirdly, we're still waiting for mike when it comes to the castle I think, so yeah.
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Yeah, but that logic applies both ways. If I have something to add then why should I be forced to make up some bullshit excuse for not doing so just because you are online earlier than me?
As far as I am concerned, if you post multiple times without letting me react, then if I have something I want to react to then I will ignore any subsequent posts and react to the first one as I would have had none of the rest been made. Then you can deal with the results of that. It is not reasonable in an RP to not give people the opportunity to react, especially when they are not online or are unable to post immediately.
As for the "dissolving" thing, whilst her being able to disappear outright seems maybe a little odd, I would certainly not expect cutting her head off to have any real effect. She's not a "real" person, her body is just a shadow construct. Killing her in that manner would have no more effect than chopping up Zouken's body does.
And, with the Castle thing, yeah, you're waiting on me, but that is an entirely different issue. We're not forcing you to sit there like a lemon, time is just not running for that character right now. And, that was your choice, not ours, so I have zero sympathy for you.
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What I don't get is the whole appearing thing, not the disappearing thing. If she's a shadow construct like Sakura's, she'd need to be close to the command center (in this case satoshi/her castle self)to pop up like a weed, and if she's like the wolves she wouldn't exist at all because those were reliant on the whole "it's a dream!" effect of F/HA, and even if we ignore that, the shadow creatures were created off of the remains of previous dead avengers, so unless then was dead chunk of AM in the room she'd have no way of being there. Or, for that case, creating them like she claimed she could.
So how'd she jump out of the woodwork?
And for that, who is she looking like right now? Avenger copies people's appearances, since its real form is just an amorphous shadow. So who's she copying to look like the babe she is?
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What I don't get is the whole appearing thing, not the disappearing thing. If she's a shadow construct like Sakura's, she'd need to be close to the command center (in this case satoshi/her castle self)to pop up like a weed, and if she's like the wolves she wouldn't exist at all because those were reliant on the whole "it's a dream!" effect of F/HA, and even if we ignore that, the shadow creatures were created off of the remains of previous dead avengers, so unless then was dead chunk of AM in the room she'd have no way of being there. Or, for that case, creating them like she claimed she could.
So how'd she jump out of the woodwork?
And for that, who is she looking like right now? Avenger copies people's appearances, since its real form is just an amorphous shadow. So who's she copying to look like the babe she is?
Actually... that's a fantastic point. How is she even here?
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Her body has always been presented that way, it's malleable and clay like, she holds the shape by choice and can dissolve it at any time, it's why she can alter her clothes and features, she is basically the same as grail mud only with less physical mess upon death or release.
Axe Cop doesn't know that. If he did, he wouldn't be holding back for fear of killing her.
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What I don't get is the whole appearing thing, not the disappearing thing. If she's a shadow construct like Sakura's, she'd need to be close to the command center (in this case satoshi/her castle self)to pop up like a weed, and if she's like the wolves she wouldn't exist at all because those were reliant on the whole "it's a dream!" effect of F/HA, and even if we ignore that, the shadow creatures were created off of the remains of previous dead avengers, so unless then was dead chunk of AM in the room she'd have no way of being there. Or, for that case, creating them like she claimed she could.
So how'd she jump out of the woodwork?
Yeah, thinking about it I'm not sure how that works.
Although, technically, there is one of Sakura's shadows in the room. I'm not sure if that would count, though, given that her connection to Angra was cut 30 years ago.
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Her respawn as it were is close to Satoshi or otherwise is drawn to an evil act to come back, if she dies or lets go she can't simply reappears moment later, unless it is in direct proximity to the above. Once spawned she can go wherever. She is not avenger, those limitations are not Angra's.
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Her respawn as it were is close to Satoshi or otherwise is drawn to an evil act to come back, if she dies or lets go she can't simply reappears moment later, unless it is in direct proximity to the above. Once spawned she can go wherever. She is not avenger, those limitations are not Angra's.
Define an evil act. Because there's evil she isn't privy to as she's HUMANITIES evil.
And she's still like a Shadow Construct lantz, you fucking SAID that. Quit pulling bullshit man, I'm getting sick of it. Or was the Castle the construct? Because in that case, you're still wrong and that castle is stupid.
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But Angra was a completely normal human, with curses drawn all over his body and forced to be "All The Evil In The World" to all the villagers, so they can go ahead and think "yeah well we're not evil now". All Angra can do is curse things, and that doesn't mean that Angra has an "Evil sense!" that tingles whenever something bad's about to go down, or that Angra would have an ability that let Angra appear at where it's going down just because.
I mean yeah Angra's mind is full of all the evils ever because they got pounded into Angra by the villagers and his life, but that doesn't mean that Angra governs and lords over them, and can tell when one's about to happen.
All of this stuff you're making Angra do contradicts the whole "normal human" and "weakest HS" thing Nasu has set in stone for Angra. Not being a servant would actually nerf Angra more than anything, because E in all stats is already more than a normal human can do. Hell, even being resurrected by the grail wouldn't power up Angra, just make the Angra immortal because lol third.
And why is Angra a girl? Being contrary to F/HA just because, or what? Because making this entire post gender neutral was annoying.
Arch cam down.
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But Angra was a completely normal human, with curses drawn all over his body and forced to be "All The Evil In The World" to all the villagers, so they can go ahead and think "yeah well we're not evil now". All Angra can do is curse things, and that doesn't mean that Angra has an "Evil sense!" that tingles whenever something bad's about to go down, or that Angra would have an ability that let Angra appear at where it's going down just because.
I mean yeah Angra's mind is full of all the evils ever because they got pounded into Angra by the villagers and his life, but that doesn't mean that Angra governs and lords over them, and can tell when one's about to happen.
All of this stuff you're making Angra do contradicts the whole "normal human" and "weakest HS" thing Nasu has set in stone for Angra. Not being a servant would actually nerf Angra more than anything, because E in all stats is already more than a normal human can do. Hell, even being resurrected by the grail wouldn't power up Angra, just make the Angra immortal because lol third.
And why is Angra a girl? Being contrary to F/HA just because, or what? Because making this entire post gender neutral was annoying.
Arch cam down.
This is another point, your Angra contradicts all canon of the Nasuverse in pretty much every possible way.
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We normally give a pass for genderbending considering all the Nasuverse's... circumstances.
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It's my character, the sheet was approved. Stop,trying to nerf my characters please.
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It's my character, the sheet was approved. Stop,trying to nerf my characters please.
It's not a nerf, and your 'sheet' is barely a paragraph for her. You didn't include any of this in it. So it isn't a nerf, it's trying to keep it accurate to your sheet for her... him... it.
The Genderbend still bugs me here.
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The castle did not exist when the character was introduced nor was it planned to at the time. As for the rest please stop. I'll speak to the GM regarding my characters as the rest of you are never satisfied with my explanations and I don't feel like arguing at all.
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The castle did not exist when the character was introduced nor was it planned to at the time. As for the rest please stop. I'll speak to the GM regarding my characters as the rest of you are never satisfied with my explanations and I don't feel like arguing at all.
Where the hell does the Castle factor into this, aside from the fact that Angra shouldn't even be able to pull that off?
We can discuss it here, this thread is specifically for that.
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It's my character, the sheet was approved. Stop,trying to nerf my characters please.
It's not a nerf, and your 'sheet' is barely a paragraph for her. You didn't include any of this in it. So it isn't a nerf, it's trying to keep it accurate to your sheet for her... him... it.
Sorry, just because something isn't in the character sheet it doesn't automatically mean it's not allowed. People do make oversights sometimes.
I do think Lantz's sheets could be more detailed, but that doesn't mean he should be limited to playing a character with zero abilities.
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It's my character, the sheet was approved. Stop,trying to nerf my characters please.
It's not a nerf, and your 'sheet' is barely a paragraph for her. You didn't include any of this in it. So it isn't a nerf, it's trying to keep it accurate to your sheet for her... him... it.
Sorry, just because something isn't in the character sheet it doesn't automatically mean it's not allowed. People do make oversights sometimes.
I do think Lantz's sheets could be more detailed, but that doesn't mean he should be limited to playing a character with zero abilities.
True, but at the same time, a lot of this shit is blatantly overpowered, and there's barely any solid material on what she can actually do. Then there's the actual mechanics... Anyway, the problem is that this is something loads of Lantz's characters do, pull powers and abilities out of their ass barely justified, often with no cost or downside. At all. And even if there is a downside, it's superficial at best. Then there was the whole projecting a car thing...
Basically, I'd be far more willing to accept this if he'd put it in from the beginning, but even then that'd be pushing it. Lantz keeps pulling all this shit and I'm getting sick of it. Combine that with his absurdly sue characters and you've got a recipe for a headache.
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I do think Lantz's sheets could be more detailed, but that doesn't mean he should be limited to playing a character with zero abilities.
I think Lantz's sheets have to be more detailed, or else he has no reason to get mad when we tell him that stuff's coming out of his ass, because we have all the reasons in the world to believe that. Skills as big as what we've been discussing (the evil-sense and evil-teleport-to) most certainly had to be on the sheet, mostly the second one, because that's massively huge and gamebreaking.
And Angra's sheet did have skills already written on it, just not the ones we've been discussing, meaning that Lantz didn't just forget he had to put down skills.
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Once again I'm dealing solely with elf from now on regarding my characters.
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I think Lantz's sheets have to be more detailed, or else he has no reason to get mad when we tell him that stuff's coming out of his ass, because we have all the reasons in the world to believe that. Skills as big as what we've been discussing (the evil-sense and evil-teleport-to) most certainly had to be on the sheet, mostly the second one, because that's massively huge and gamebreaking.
And Angra's sheet did have skills already written on it, just not the ones we've been discussing, meaning that Lantz didn't just forget he had to put down skills.
Right, all it mentioned was the wolves, and how she's got E- in all stats. Sorry, It. Because I have no idea what the fuck to call this.
Anyway, this is symptomatic of lantz. Look at the fucking Castle. It's an asspull. The car? An asspull. Everything to do with making Satoshi the ULTIMATE SUE? An asspull. The dude has no weaknesses.
Once again I'm dealing solely with elf from now on regarding my characters.
No, you do not get to run away from this, not after all the other BS you've done. We're all calling foul on this and I'm betting you she will as well. Speaking of GM's, when the hell is your D&D thing gonna start, rules up and all that good shit?
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Once again I'm dealing solely with elf from now on regarding my characters.
Go right ahead, because I'm pretty sure she won't agree with your whole "it was an approved sheet" excuse when you made a character do something really big and gamebreaking that wasn't on the sheet she approved.
Seriously, you brought this on yourself.
And seeing as Angra does have a canon, you can't have her randomly have abilities that he never had in canon, and then suddenly expect everyone familiar with that canon to roll over and let you walk all over them with your added content.
Some of us read F/HA.
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Once again I'm dealing solely with elf from now on regarding my characters.
Go right ahead, because I'm pretty sure she won't agree with your whole "it was an approved sheet" excuse when you made a character do something really big and gamebreaking that wasn't on the sheet she approved.
Seriously, you brought this on yourself.
And seeing as Angra does have a canon, you can't have her randomly have abilities that he never had in canon, and then suddenly expect everyone familiar with that canon to roll over and let you walk all over them with your added content.
Some of us read F/HA.
Because you like things in short statements lantz -
TL;DR: Fuck your bullshit.
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Nothing Angra can do breaks the game, she's all the world's evil, sensing evil is like dog hearing a dog whistle, it's a natural thing. And respawning has been in her sheet since day one. Where she respawns is entirely reasonable given her nature as is dissolving herself as on the sheet and in the game prior her form has been demonstrated as such. The castle if you bothered to read the posts that created it is not an ass pull.
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Not in Angra's canon universe she can't sniff evil out.
And her "teleport-to-ongoing-evil" is what I'm saying isn't on the sheet, and is massively gamebreaking no matter which way I turn my head at it.
Her immortality is low-tier and easily worked around. No one is complaining about that. And I haven't said anything about that stupid castle, and as soon as you're done having sex with Mike you'll have to deal with INFERNO COP about it, so all I have to say about it is you'll have one hell of a gigantic fine to pay for building without a building license and without owning the land.
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There's no teleporting, it's respawning near evil because evil is what she's comprised of. It makes sense that when reconstituting she would respawn at a point where her food source (effectively) is. Angra is not Ha avenger, similar but different. And I think not sensing evil is fundamentally stupid when you are made of the stuff and gain power from it as Angra does.
as for inferno cop I think that lying works in that regard. But that's an in character thing and has nothing to do with the point at hand.
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Also, if Inferno Cop tries to get stupid about it (like attempting to make Satoshi pay a fine he can't possibly afford, or pull down his house) then he's going to have to go through Rider, too. And, if she gets involved then it is likely that the Sakura and family will end up joining in too, particularly if Rider is in danger. None of them have any real respect for the law, normal police are outright useless when it comes to the sort of things they are involved in (and can trivially be bypassed) and the Association is a bunch of amoral assholes whose rules they pay at best lip-service to, and follow only when doing so seems like the best option.
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There's no teleporting, it's respawning near evil because evil is what she's comprised of. It makes sense that when reconstituting she would respawn at a point where her food source (effectively) is. Angra is not Ha avenger, similar but different. And I think not sensing evil is fundamentally stupid when you are made of the stuff and gain power from it as Angra does.
as for inferno cop I think that lying works in that regard. But that's an in character thing and has nothing to do with the point at hand.
It's still broken - and Angra IS AVENGER LANTZ. By the same logic you apply, we should be able to sense animals. Spoiler - WE CAN'T.
The Castle sizewise is a massive asspull, no matter what you say. It's huge. You claim it isn't, but your posts say otherwise. The castle's creation is also a massive asspull, as that shouldn't be possible to do with Angra Juice.
As for the respawn, I know what bullshit you're going to pull with that one. 'HURR DURR KILLING PEOPLE EVIL SHE JUST RESPAWNS RIGHT THERE DURRRP HERRP.'
Also seriously, if Elf and Alice, unplanned, can do a sex scene in under a week, what the fuck is taking you guys so long!?!?
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Also seriously, if Elf and Alice, unplanned, can do a sex scene in under a week, what the fuck is taking you guys so long!?!?
I've been really busy. It's entirely my fault, not Lantz's.
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Moving on, who likes Archerko? I do, so I'm debating playing her
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There's no teleporting, it's respawning near evil because evil is what she's comprised of. It makes sense that when reconstituting she would respawn at a point where her food source (effectively) is. Angra is not Ha avenger, similar but different. And I think not sensing evil is fundamentally stupid when you are made of the stuff and gain power from it as Angra does.
as for inferno cop I think that lying works in that regard. But that's an in character thing and has nothing to do with the point at hand.
Well, you said earlier she can like, dissolve or something on her own. That means that she can effectively dissolve at one point, and then later pinpoint teleport to something evil that's going on somewhere else, way out of any other character's sphere of influence. That is pretty broken.
And you can't decide which lies work on Inferno Cop, dude. I'm in the piloting seat. And it does have something to do with the point at hand, it proves I don't give a shit about your castle built on bricks of solidified, sun-baked horseshit Angra Mainyu's latest outhouse trip's produce.
Also, if Inferno Cop tries to get stupid about it (like attempting to make Satoshi pay a fine he can't possibly afford, or pull down his house) then he's going to have to go through Rider, too. And, if she gets involved then it is likely that the Sakura and family will end up joining in too, particularly if Rider is in danger. None of them have any real respect for the law, normal police are outright useless when it comes to the sort of things they are involved in (and can trivially be bypassed) and the Association is a bunch of amoral assholes whose rules they pay at best lip-service to, and follow only when doing so seems like the best option.
I was being nice when I said "a fine". Satoshi is illegally stealing land he hasn't purchased by building a castle on it. I could arrest him and it would be more believable than giving him a huge-ass fine for building on land not his own and not have a building permit.
Hell, even tearing it down would be a more believable thing than fining him. He's guilty of outright robbing land from the city. That might have belonged to someone else, and if not it belonged the city itself. Satoshi is not above the law, and he will pay a big huge fine for the space he's robbing and for not having a permit, and he will consider himself LUCKY to not have been dragged out of his castle screaming while it tore into pieces behind him, because Inferno Cop is very literally an omnipotent god and can make that happen easily, if I ever decide to have him stop being an in-character retard, and start being more in-character by being completely up-and-down and suddenly deciding to remember he's a god.
Bottom line, I'm already being way softer than I should be. Arrest and tearing-down would be what would happen in any realistic scenario to that castle of his, and resisting that would just make him known as the "guy who built a fucking skyscraper overnight, thought it was okay then ran away from lawful repercussions with a once-happy family."
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Looking up inferno cop I have to say that there's no reason I should ever acknowledge complaints about my characters when we have a this guy around. Seriously god or not that's god modding
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Not particularly, when you consider that they're joke characters and being completely played that way. We could theoretically bust out the planet destroying abilities whenever we want to in the same way Gilgamesh can randomly decide to use Ea's full power and Simon can randomly think 'Hm, today I'll make TTGL for no reason whatsoever'. Hell, Axe Cop alone is just as broken as Inferno Cop, and Elf approved him with full knowledge of his abilities, probably because she can trust me not to abuse the hell out of them like a moron.
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My train of thought was basically: Let's just fine him!
To which Mike said: Don't get unreasonable or I'm going to have to get drastic
to which I said: Well if I was trying to be unreasonable or unfair to poor Lantz I'd do this: up above
Seriously I'm not about to act like a fucking retard and be OP and gamebreaking with a joke character, because I can actually reasonably play a joke character.
On the other hand, automatically assuming that you can just lie to a police officer and he'll go away just because it's what's most convenient for you is unreasonable, because you're not the one playing the police officer and while IC is a retard he is also going to fine you for building a castle in the middle of a populated city without owning the land or any kind of permission, though he might word it differently. There is no OOC reason for it, it's just because it makes fucking sense that people notice the castle sprout out of the ground, no matter how much in the slums and avoided part of the city you are, and that the police act on it once they finally find the way to remove their heads from their asses, so in the meantime we have the sort-of-not-really-cops handle the entire thing and act in their place.
Which is what one of them'll do as soon as you're done banging Mike. And if Satoshi can't deal with the legal repercussions and pay the fine by the due date, then IC will continue to be in-character and do whatever he'll do, which I don't know what it is because IC makes about as much sense as a frightened chicken that continually bangs its head on the fence.
Bottom line to answer your question Lantz, it's because I can RP and not be retarded at the same time. Also, you apparently don't know what god-modding is, so I'm just going to sit here and watch you flail your arms around.
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You sounded serious about flipping the switch to omnipotent god which is god modding because that's not allowed
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Once again proving my latest point.
What a nice show.
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...This is far more amusing than it has any right to be.
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Not particularly, when you consider that they're joke characters and being completely played that way. We could theoretically bust out the planet destroying abilities whenever we want to in the same way Gilgamesh can randomly decide to use Ea's full power and Simon can randomly think 'Hm, today I'll make TTGL for no reason whatsoever'. Hell, Axe Cop alone is just as broken as Inferno Cop, and Elf approved him with full knowledge of his abilities, probably because she can trust me not to abuse the hell out of them like a moron.
Well, the problem is what happens if he does end up in a serious situation, I guess, which seems like it might be approaching. Dark Satoshi and Rider are both Chaotic, and neither of them will see anything wrong with what Satoshi did. Nor, for that matter, will Kiyoshi or even Sakura/Shirou be particularly bothered by it. He needed to live somewhere, after all, and renting a hotel is not easy. And, my characters will stick together in general, even if they don't fully agree, so they will end up fighting as a team to protect Rider.
On the other hand, automatically assuming that you can just lie to a police officer and he'll go away just because it's what's most convenient for you is unreasonable, because you're not the one playing the police officer and while IC is a retard he is also going to fine you for building a castle in the middle of a populated city without owning the land or any kind of permission, though he might word it differently. There is no OOC reason for it, it's just because it makes fucking sense that people notice the castle sprout out of the ground, no matter how much in the slums and avoided part of the city you are, and that the police act on it once they finally find the way to remove their heads from their asses, so in the meantime we have the sort-of-not-really-cops handle the entire thing and act in their place.
Which is what one of them'll do as soon as you're done banging Mike. And if Satoshi can't deal with the legal repercussions and pay the fine by the due date, then IC will continue to be in-character and do whatever he'll do, which I don't know what it is because IC makes about as much sense as a frightened chicken that continually bangs its head on the fence.
Bottom line to answer your question Lantz, it's because I can RP and not be retarded at the same time. Also, you apparently don't know what god-modding is, so I'm just going to sit here and watch you flail your arms around.
The problem is that the sensible thing for Toshi to do in that case is to tell him to get stuffed and kick him out. That's the usual attitude Rider would take to the police if they tried to arrest her (well, followed by brainwashing from Sakura). Which means that you end up going "lol, OP powers" and tear the house down.
RPs like this work on the principle that, in general, the law is meaningless. If they didn't then characters like the Don couldn't exist. It's OK to send police after Toshi and his castle, but it is not OK to have your omnipotent police officer tear it down single-handed when he refuses.
For the RP to work, the law enforcement has to be relatively weak. Otherwise it just becomes impossible to do anything of interest.
You sounded serious about flipping the switch to omnipotent god which is god modding because that's not allowed
Nah, it's not god-modding. God-modding means doing stuff that you couldn't ICly do, not making (and having accepted) a literal god as an IC character.
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Well, the problem is what happens if he does end up in a serious situation, I guess, which seems like it might be approaching. Dark Satoshi and Rider are both Chaotic, and neither of them will see anything wrong with what Satoshi did. Nor, for that matter, will Kiyoshi or even Sakura/Shirou be particularly bothered by it. He needed to live somewhere, after all, and renting a hotel is not easy. And, my characters will stick together in general, even if they don't fully agree, so they will end up fighting as a team to protect Rider.
Mike, if we get into a serious situation (AKA this one), I'm keeping Axe Cop as his usual wacky/serious self. He'll be a slightly above street level fighter with a library of zany gadgets. He will not be busting out super martial arts and throwing China at you or pulling out his unicorn horn and wishing for Angra to go fuck itself. I'm sure that eventually we will clash with each other, and that's fine.
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On the other hand, automatically assuming that you can just lie to a police officer and he'll go away just because it's what's most convenient for you is unreasonable, because you're not the one playing the police officer and while IC is a retard he is also going to fine you for building a castle in the middle of a populated city without owning the land or any kind of permission, though he might word it differently. There is no OOC reason for it, it's just because it makes fucking sense that people notice the castle sprout out of the ground, no matter how much in the slums and avoided part of the city you are, and that the police act on it once they finally find the way to remove their heads from their asses, so in the meantime we have the sort-of-not-really-cops handle the entire thing and act in their place.
Which is what one of them'll do as soon as you're done banging Mike. And if Satoshi can't deal with the legal repercussions and pay the fine by the due date, then IC will continue to be in-character and do whatever he'll do, which I don't know what it is because IC makes about as much sense as a frightened chicken that continually bangs its head on the fence.
Bottom line to answer your question Lantz, it's because I can RP and not be retarded at the same time. Also, you apparently don't know what god-modding is, so I'm just going to sit here and watch you flail your arms around.
The problem is that the sensible thing for Toshi to do in that case is to tell him to get stuffed and kick him out. That's the usual attitude Rider would take to the police if they tried to arrest her (well, followed by brainwashing from Sakura). Which means that you end up going "lol, OP powers" and tear the house down.
RPs like this work on the principle that, in general, the law is meaningless. If they didn't then characters like the Don couldn't exist. It's OK to send police after Toshi and his castle, but it is not OK to have your omnipotent police officer tear it down single-handed when he refuses.
For the RP to work, the law enforcement has to be relatively weak. Otherwise it just becomes impossible to do anything of interest.
The thing is that even without OP powers he could do it. So could Raul, though unintentionally. Ever wonder what happens when a wing of Destroyer Angels engage a Demon of the Saboteurs? Mass destruction. Reality itself becomes warped due to all the Exploits and Embeds being tossed around, before you factor in the fact that some of these beings can easily be the size of Monster Medusa and many times more destructive, the whole place would realistically be leveled within about five or six minutes of any sort of pitched battle.
You're also forgetting that Raul has set his mind on destroying this place, and he's not going to let the owners protests stop him from destroying the Infrastructure. They're probably servants of the God-Machine anyway.
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In short Raul is intentionally there to ruin my fun
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Well IC is retarded and does things just as you'd expect with a guy who has an attention span of under three minutes. If they just go "we can't pay your fine we have no money", he'll just do or present something else and equally ridiculous for them to do which considering the entire nature of the RP might actually be mundane for them. Like, you know, save the city from some big bad guy who's running around (HINT HINT) and write it all down as community service.
Either that, or have them raking up leaves for the town's playground.
And if they can't be heroes or take care of an area not even the fourth the size of a soccer field for a week, then IC will continue being retarded, and maybe build his own castle to prove he has the bigger of two penises or something. Well, either that or get a little drastic, depending on how much of a dickhead everyone decides to be when they open the door, and are forced to realize building a gigantic castle in a conspicuous area like a populated city maybe wasn't the best idea if they didn't want people knocking at their door.
Like I said, I can actually roleplay. I'm not going to force my way through things with my gigantic throbbing godly erection, I'm going to be retarded like Inferno Cop and probably end up destroying my own penis-sized castle instead down the line. But don't expect me to just go along with what's convenient for you, because Inferno Cop shot his way out of a trial once because he found it stupid.
Basically I can do whatever I deem fit, but I'm not pulling the god card unless we're a minute from the closest coffee shop closing, or something equally important (THERE IS FUCKING NOTHING).
And a competent police force doesn't stop characters like the don, it simply enforces that the crime lord actually be intelligent in his crime. The law being meaningless weakens an RP instead of makes it enjoyable, because it ruins immersion in that NO ONE in the city as an NPC is actually going to have a role in making it feel like this city isn't just a den of bandits. Which, essentially, it is right now. Just, some bandits are cooler than others (I'm talking about our characters).
And no, Raul is there to rock our world.
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A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
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In short Raul is intentionally there to ruin my fun
In short, no.
In long, Raul is there to investigate if it is in fact Infrastructure, and until he can engage the possible 'Angels' he has no clue if it is or not. It SEEMS like Infrastructure, but he needs to investigate further. If interfered with he'll try to escape/destroy the delaying factor, and if that is not possible he'll go loud and rip the delaying factor to pieces... and end up getting the God Machine to send a wing of Angels to destroy him, which no matter where he is will likely end in the utter destruction of that place simply because of the sheer amount of power being thrown around.
Demons are fucking powerful, and so are Angels. This is all stated in his sheet - if he Goes Loud bad things happen to everyone. It's why most Demons follow the Moscow Rules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Rules) in their engagements. It keeps them alive. He's just as likely to leave a given piece of Infrastructure alone for a bit as he is to immediately destroy it, especially something like this where he KNOWS that this unusual and unnatural.
For that matter, as Names stated, I actually fucking Roleplay my characters. Raul can pull a load of shit, but blowing his Cover by Going Loud is an absolute last resort that he'll avoid using unless there's no other option for his survival or the completion of his objective, because if he uses it willy nilly he'll go right to the priority target list for the God-Machine, and his life expectancy can be measured in days, if he's lucky.
A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
Go to Somalia and ask how that's working out for them.
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A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
In an ideal world where everyone's morality bar is in the blue, yes.
Unfortunately, we have the real world instead, where people are dicks.
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A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
Even My Little Fucking Pony has police, and it's a kid's show. You're not finding a world like that outside of the Teletubbies.
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A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
In an ideal world where everyone's morality bar is in the blue, yes.
Unfortunately, we have the real world instead, where people are dicks.
Yeah, and we also have people like Forest to deal with said dicks. Or, you know, just concerned groups of citizens....
Also, the city isn't meant to be particularly nice or safe initially, that's kind-of the point....
A world can still run without a formal police force and laws, you know. People just have to police theirselves more, and deal with their own problems.
Even My Little Fucking Pony has police, and it's a kid's show. You're not finding a world like that outside of the Teletubbies.
Yeah, I don't think arguing that a kids' show does it proves much. Kids' shows almost always conform to the usual rules of society (even if characters do break them), people don't like you teaching their kids to fight the system....
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Yeah, and we also have people like Forest to deal with said dicks.
Also, the city isn't meant to be particularly nice or safe initially, that's kind-of the point....
And then we get into revenge killings. Hooray!
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I don't see how it's any different from what the police do (in the US, anyway). If you kill someone, they kill you in revenge. How is that any different from the victim's familiy doing it (yes, I'm aware of legal process etc., but legal process isn't infallible)?
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Think Infamous, where there are cops but just going into the street in an incredibly dangerous thing so they have to stay in group and attempt that whole incognito shit until some jerkoff with lightning powers decides to help out and actually bring your job back in to "almost possible" territory.
The city is not safe or nice the entire time, including lightning man's appearance because of food and whatnot, but the police still manages to have the barest of presences which manages to grow the more some overpowered sod helps out.
Basically, having a working police force doesn't mean safeness and niceness, they're just as normal human as the rest of us, being faced down by scary goblins and gelatinous cubes until some overpowered sods run in, kill them all and never really acknowledge the officers or their struggles up to that point. I sure didn't in Infamous until a cop gave me a mission, then I started noticing them on replays getting rekt for trying anything.
And the cops being human and powerless against werewolves and scary shit like that is realistic and immersive if ever we're given a look, because those things are so deadly we needed demigods, magical doohickeys and wizards in the past to help us deal with them, if mythology is any clue.
I guess IC, AC, DC and GC are their special guys against the supernatural, but they don't even know about the other cops either. IF they even exist, that is.
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ELF ARE NORMAL COPS A THING IN NEXUS CITY AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE OTHER PART OF TOWN OR HIDING OR SOMETHING?
Also for the revenge killings and stuff, getting the death penalty in the US is reserved for pretty damn big crimes. Like, serial killings.
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Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
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I don't see how it's any different from what the police do (in the US, anyway). If you kill someone, they kill you in revenge. How is that any different from the victim's familiy doing it (yes, I'm aware of legal process etc., but legal process isn't infallible)?
...Hahaha oh wow, you have no idea how police in the states work. It isn't fucking 1873 here, vigilante justice is pretty dead.
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Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
I'm pretty sure we're still accepting, yeah. If you want to make sure you could contact Elf and ask, but I'm pretty sure you're cleared for takeoff.
Might be good to have someone who's been around since day one give you a summary of what's up though.
...which I can't, since I haven't been around since day one and I haven't got a summary.
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Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
It's still open. Just post the characters in the character thread and check with Elf (the GM) to make sure they're OK.
I don't see how it's any different from what the police do (in the US, anyway). If you kill someone, they kill you in revenge. How is that any different from the victim's familiy doing it (yes, I'm aware of legal process etc., but legal process isn't infallible)?
...Hahaha oh wow, you have no idea how police in the states work. It isn't fucking 1873 here, vigilante justice is pretty dead.
You're missing my point.
I am well aware that the police do have the legal authority to arrest people, and that they are then put on trial and executed later (well, unless the police decide to shoot them for looking at them in a funny way...). My point is that I do not see any difference in principle between that and the victim's family shooting them (assuming they know for sure they are guilty). Both seem to me like they are motivated by revenge more than anything else, the only difference is that there is some document that says one is "allowed" and the other isn't.
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I am well aware that the police do have the legal authority to arrest people, and that they are then put on trial and executed later (well, unless the police decide to shoot them for looking at them in a funny way...). My point is that I do not see any difference in principle between that and the victim's family shooting them (assuming they know for sure they are guilty). Both seem to me like they are motivated by revenge more than anything else, the only difference is that there is some document that says one is "allowed" and the other isn't.
...Do you know how rare an execution is, and what needs to happen to be required to even meet the death penalty?
The specifics are left up to the individual states, but in general what is required is first degree murder, IE murder that was planned out, with the express intent to murder someone, and not motivated by emotions of the moment.
For that matter, the police have a tier of responses, they just don't shoot people for looking at them funny. There's a reason every cop in the states carries pepper spray or some form of stungun now, sometimes you have to subdue an unruly criminal or someone threatening violence, not just shoot them. Shooting someone is the absolute last resort, and only performed when someone cannot or will not be stopped from killing or seriously and possibly fatally injuring the officer or a civilian.
And after that you get Internal Affairs and reports and all that shit, along with the fact that in the case of something like this, the officers name is not released. You don't just get to shoot someone here in the States if you're a cop. For that matter, the principle involved is different because the duty, the oath of the officer is to protect and serve the people. Morally, he's obligated to take lives only to save them. Remember, their job is to take people into a court of law, killing someone prevents that from happening. This isn't something they resort to in all cases. It's very different from a revenge killing, where the intent is simply to kill.
Fucking look at wikipedia before you bust shit like this out.
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As a matter of fact, in most cases, I'm against the death penalty. I find it morally dubious to take an eye for an eye in some cases, and there's times the law fucks up. However, I also have the opinion that some crimes are simply so heinous, so despicable, and reprehensible, that the only way to even begin to start justice is through Execution. Serial killers and spree killers are probably the only ones who qualify for this though.
Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
Nah, I jumped in. Just get a character sheet up and you should as well. There's plenty of characters going on, and new blood is always welcome.
Just be careful around Lantz's shit, he's pissy and on his period at the moment about everything because he's not getting things 100% his way.
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ELF ARE NORMAL COPS A THING IN NEXUS CITY AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE OTHER PART OF TOWN OR HIDING OR SOMETHING?
Also for the revenge killings and stuff, getting the death penalty in the US is reserved for pretty damn big crimes. Like, serial killings.
There are cops yes. And there's probably a branch that deals with supernatural stuff, but they're understaffed and underfunded.
Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
Of course! Just please be sure to read the rules in the post. Welcome to the game! Just post your characters in the character thread and see if I'll approve them.
Also, something of concern, Willy Verb's had that character page up for a while but he's never made an IG post. Should I give him a time limit before freeing up a Shirou again?
Lantz- yeah, if local Law Enforcement, or in this case Axe Cop and Friends, sees a castle suddenly fucking spring up out of no where, they're probably going to investigate it.
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I think I recall Willy saying that until he actually used the character he didn't consider the slot filled, actually.
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I think I recall Willy saying that until he actually used the character he didn't consider the slot filled, actually.
Problem solved then. I haven't seen him online in god knows how long though.
Hullo, new from BL. Saw this, and I started drafting characters before I could help it… so, is it too late to join? Or are you still giving people the go ahead? If so, I'd like to take 3 slots ^_^
Of course! Just please be sure to read the rules in the post. Welcome to the game! Just post your characters in the character thread and see if I'll approve them.
Also, something of concern, Willy Verb's had that character page up for a while but he's never made an IG post. Should I give him a time limit before freeing up a Shirou again?
Lantz- yeah, if local Law Enforcement, or in this case Axe Cop and Friends, sees a castle suddenly fucking spring up out of no where, they're probably going to investigate it.
So Elf, what's the ruling on Angra's powers, as they aren't mentioned in the sheet and severely gamebreaking?
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@Elf: About Willy Verb, yeah, a time limit might be a good idea. He hasn't been back in awhile, so this might maybe get him back, plus if he doesn't come back, it'd open up another Shirou slot.
Also, yeah, I think Angra might need a GM ruling at this point. As does Toshi, potentially.
@Mooncake: Like a bunch of people already said, yup, RP's more than open to join- you get... I believe it's 7 slots open now? To work with, so you don't even have to settle with three characters. :)
And right, recap- well, here goes nothing. ...Since I'm half conscious right now, this probably isn't that great of a recap, but eh, it's the thought that counts.
So basically a bunch of people show up in this weird City that's like some sort of interdimensional meeting place. Hakuno Kishinami (Fate Extra's protagonist, the girl version) winds up there too, and is separated from her Servant, Archer, who also arrives there, albeit away from Hakuno. Rider happens to be there too, along with Sakura's son, Kiyoshi, and she leaves him at the hotel they were staying at to get some prana, since Sakura isn't there to give it to her. She spots Hakuno and tries to drain prana from her, but she's stopped by... somebody, I don't remember who, I think Forest. There's this big, drawn out confrontation there, and MOS Shirou tries to shoot Hakuno to stop Rider and Fore, but Rider saves her, and like a million people end up showing up eventually, but it all settles down eventually, and a group that includes Rider, Forest, Hakuno, and Archer (I'd have to look back at who else it was) decide to go to the hotel to pick up Kiyoshi while the rest go back to Forest's apartment complex.
Because of some dumb things involving lantz's.... O....C... Satoshi getting possessed with... hiiiisss verssion of Angra Manyu, there's another confrontation near the hotel. Then this mobster guy shows up (I don't remember his name right now Daiki, I remember his name starts with a V, I'm sorry ;_;), and he summons a messload of vampires, and those get fought for awhile until my OC, Mille, sets them all on fire using a magic rune circle. Also, it turns out a magus girl named Isa from earlier in the alleyway was raped and had her arm taken by werewolves, which Rin heals using Ruby. Then everybody heads back to the complex.
And also Toshi gets a castle made out of Angra, which is... yeah.
Rin and Dark Archer... start having a fun night. Ruu, a cute little familiar, stayed at the complex to guard the place, but while trying to fix a meal for everyone, destroys the kitchen, so the Moon Cell Archer has to fix it (MOS Shirou helps a little too). In the meantime, Axe Cop and Inferno Cop have SHENANIGANS! Then some more of lantz's OCs and Kiyoshi make it to the complex, and because of something on Connor's sheet, Law, a Geist, senses something off and goes down to attack him. There's a big thing in there and Angra appears out of freaking nowhere for no good reason even though she's still a castle. That's resolved.
Then Mr. Fixit shows up to offer Forest an offer she can't refuse. It's a good deal, so she doesn't refuse. Then Angra decided to be obstructive and is now sitting in the newly repaired kitchen just asking to be kicked out or killed.
And that's my terrible summary. ...If someone could expand on that so it's less sucky, that'd be great. ^_^"
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Wow the hostility towards me is awesome.
I never objected to the cops investigating Elf, my point was that inferno becoming a god is completely unfair.
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@Elf: About Willy Verb, yeah, a time limit might be a good idea. He hasn't been back in awhile, so this might maybe get him back, plus if he doesn't come back, it'd open up another Shirou slot.
Also, yeah, I think Angra might need a GM ruling at this point. As does Toshi, potentially.
@Mooncake: Like a bunch of people already said, yup, RP's more than open to join- you get... I believe it's 7 slots open now? To work with, so you don't even have to settle with three characters. :)
And right, recap- well, here goes nothing. ...Since I'm half conscious right now, this probably isn't that great of a recap, but eh, it's the thought that counts.
So basically a bunch of people show up in this weird City that's like some sort of interdimensional meeting place. Hakuno Kishinami (Fate Extra's protagonist, the girl version) winds up there too, and is separated from her Servant, Archer, who also arrives there, albeit away from Hakuno. Rider happens to be there too, along with Sakura's son, Kiyoshi, and she leaves him at the hotel they were staying at to get some prana, since Sakura isn't there to give it to her. She spots Hakuno and tries to drain prana from her, but she's stopped by... somebody, I don't remember who, I think Forest. There's this big, drawn out confrontation there, and MOS Shirou tries to shoot Hakuno to stop Rider and Fore, but Rider saves her, and like a million people end up showing up eventually, but it all settles down eventually, and a group that includes Rider, Forest, Hakuno, and Archer (I'd have to look back at who else it was) decide to go to the hotel to pick up Kiyoshi while the rest go back to Forest's apartment complex.
Because of some dumb things involving lantz's.... O....C... Satoshi getting possessed with... hiiiisss verssion of Angra Manyu, there's another confrontation near the hotel. Then this mobster guy shows up (I don't remember his name right now Daiki, I remember his name starts with a V, I'm sorry ;_;), and he summons a messload of vampires, and those get fought for awhile until my OC, Mille, sets them all on fire using a magic rune circle. Also, it turns out a magus girl named Isa from earlier in the alleyway was raped and had her arm taken by werewolves, which Rin heals using Ruby. Then everybody heads back to the complex.
And also Toshi gets a castle made out of Angra, which is... yeah.
Rin and Dark Archer... start having a fun night. Ruu, a cute little familiar, stayed at the complex to guard the place, but while trying to fix a meal for everyone, destroys the kitchen, so the Moon Cell Archer has to fix it (MOS Shirou helps a little too). In the meantime, Axe Cop and Inferno Cop have SHENANIGANS! Then some more of lantz's OCs and Kiyoshi make it to the complex, and because of something on Connor's sheet, Law, a Geist, senses something off and goes down to attack him. There's a big thing in there and Angra appears out of freaking nowhere for no good reason even though she's still a castle. That's resolved.
Then Mr. Fixit shows up to offer Forest an offer she can't refuse. It's a good deal, so she doesn't refuse. Then Angra decided to be obstructive and is now sitting in the newly repaired kitchen just asking to be kicked out or killed.
And that's my terrible summary. ...If someone could expand on that so it's less sucky, that'd be great. ^_^"
Law is a Sin-Eater. The red text in his posts is the Giest, the Redheaded Driver. He's also technically a serial killer, you forgot to mention that.
I will freely admit I kinda screwed the pooch on the Driver's name.
Oh, and you forgot to mention that the police force is entirely consisting of individuals who's sanity is very questionable (and in one case, their sobriety), we've got two potentially very dangerous vampires that just met up, the Castle of Bullshit just got infiltrated by a Demon (Yes, with a capital D. It's that serious), Saber Alter hasn't done shit (;_;), and there's two characters from Bleach running around the city, one of whom encountered the cops.
Also all of Lantz's OC's are pretty much sues to some degree, except Taiga because she's a blind girl in a wheelchair, but she's a bitch.
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Wow the hostility towards me is awesome.
I never objected to the cops investigating Elf, my point was that inferno becoming a god is completely unfair.
Not really, considering that you refuse to let anything harm your precious mar- I mean OC's. For that matter, he won't, because he's kinda retarded and doesn't know about it.
Same thing with Raul being able to flip out and wreck shit, he CAN but he won't because if he does shit gets fucked for everyone.
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Sorry about the Sin-Eater mix up- this is why sleep is important. ^_^" ...Or actually getting to bed long before 9 am in the morning.
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I never objected to the cops investigating Elf, my point was that inferno becoming a god is completely unfair.
Becoming? He already is.
He's also retarded and is more likely to build himself an airplane from scratch or try to take over the world than tear down your little mud sandcastle because doing so would actually take more time than his attention span lends him (under three minutes), but that's neither here nor there.
Though maybe this incident would prove to be an exercise telling you to occasionally read the character sheets of other people when it becomes obvious you'll have to interact with them, so you're not as surprised when it turns out that they do have some kind of gimmick you should probably have known about by then. That is, unless you like actually getting mad whenever you don't read a sheet and as it turns out there was a gimmick all along.
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Honestly, Lantz I would like some more clarification on Angra's abilities. I also think it would be the respectable thing for the other players as well.
Plus, Inferno Cop is a joke character, just like Axe Cop and Doom Rider. Not to mention I trust NACHOS, Magos, and Bibloe to play them that way.
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Honestly, Lantz I would like some more clarification on Angra's abilities. I also think it would be the respectable thing for the other players as well.
Alright, a rundown -
Doomrider - Right on the sheet. Not much expansion needed beyond that. He just really loves cocaine.
Lawrence - A little more expansion on the sheet. Sin Eaters are capable of performing ceremonies related to the dead, such as sealing away spirits, entering the Underworld, showing others what they see, and some other nifty tricks. They're also capable of spending plasm to heal themselves, or as a stop gap measure to seal wounds and simply ignore horrific damage to their own bodies.
The death rejuvination thing takes 24 hours, during which time, they'll wake up at either dawn at dusk, covered in a caul, experiencing the death of someone who died in a way similar to their threshold through said caul. It's by no means a pleasant thing. A few other sin eater abilities is being able to see the exact age of someone, and how close they are to death - its instinctive. They're also able to see and communicate with ghosts, and if their Geist permits, shift their perception into the Twilight itself. They can also see if someone is possessed by a spirit or ghost.
The Keys are capable of activating for each manifestation - currently Lawrence has the Caul, Rage, Boneyard, and Curse manifestations. The Industrial caul allows him while active, to retrieve or use things implanted inside his body. For example, with the caul active, he could shove a shotgun into his arm, and have it become a part of his body. When it deactivates, it's still in there, but not visible or usable to anyone. It's part of the twilight. The Stigmata Boneyard allows Lawrence to manipulate, ward against, and attack the very essence of ghosts and spiritual entities without needing to lift a finger while active, though he enters a trance like state during its use, oblivious to the outside world besides the Boneyard. The Industrial Curse causes machines to practically disintegrate at a touch, or catastrophically and maliciously malfunction, though the direct damage is usually what happens. The Stigmata Rage causes disorientation and woozyness.
He can only activate one manifestation with one key at a time - he can't use both keys at once.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit. His profile was getting long as it was so I needed to cut some stuff out of it so it wouldn't go into a freaking book on this shit.
Juan - What you see is what you get. The only addition I could really make is that Going Loud attracts the direct attention of the God Machine - its not something he'll likely do more than once, if at all in this RP.
Jack: He needs vitae to live - the life force within blood. He can also flip out and go berserk for more power, surrendering fully to his vampiric nature, but the beast that results is mindless. This is called Frenzy, and can also happen due to hunger, fire, or just plain anger.
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I already explained Angra's body, it's a curse and as on the sheet she can look like anyone, her body dissipates upon death and because she is spirit and not a person she can release her false body at any time. To clarify she cannot choose her respawn point, as for the castle Satoshi made it with magic. He's the support for it and yes it's made of grail mud but seriously it's a magic castle so lighten up.
Angra is not the HA avenger. Other than that the sheet explains her abilities. She's not very strong and there's nothing game breaking about her.
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I already explained Angra's body, it's a curse and as on the sheet she can look like anyone, her body dissipates upon death and because she is spirit and not a person she can release her false body at any time. To clarify she cannot choose her respawn point, as for the castle Satoshi made it with magic. He's the support for it and yes it's made of grail mud but seriously it's a magic castle so lighten up.
Angra is not the HA avenger. Other than that the sheet explains her abilities. She's not very strong and there's nothing game breaking about her.
OK then how the fuck is this thing not killing everything around it if its made of grail mud, why is there grail mud without a grail, why is it Angra Mainyu if it isn't Avenger, because the two are the one and the same, and why is Satoshi so fucking suish, how is he not dead from maintaining that structure magically.
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I posted a new character.
I want you guys to see what you think of him. He's got an interesting ability. (And if you've been keeping up with my serial, you should be at least familiar with his mom.)
Magos, please.
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Magos, calm down.
lantz, that doesn't really explain anything. There still isn't enough support for this stuff. You do come off as god-modding somewhat.
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Gentlemen, we have a clusterfuck.
I like your character, Elf. Would fuck. Tanking Excalibur's a bit OP though, isn't it? It's like a full body Imagine Breaker.
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Gentlemen, we have a clusterfuck.
Indeed.
Lighten up on the Magic Castle. Come on, we've got Axe Cop and stuff. I'll allow a Magic Castle for now unless it goes Full Retard.
I like your character, Elf. Would fuck. Tanking Excalibur's a bit OP though, isn't it? It's like a full body Imagine Breaker.
Not exactly OP. Because he can't do anything like that. He'd just kill the blast. Gabriel can't be hurt by magic, but he can be fucked over nine ways to Sunday by mundane methods. And beheading.
While Excalibur's blast couldn't hurt him, Saber could get close enough and long enough to take his head. Especially since she has a physical body.
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Hm... this straddles the line, I'd say. Okay, how would it fare against Enuma Elish? (any answer other than die is probably OP)
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If he saw that charging up- he'd run into his Shadows.
However, if he didn't get to run, yeah, he'd be dead after he made some horrible joke about being killed by a sex toy.
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Rebecca, Lawrence isn't called a Sin-Eater for nothing.
By the way, he accepts visa and mastercard, or a tank of gas as payment for all your spiritual problems!
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What the hell Lantz? Sakura shouldn't be able to move after that van stunt and that blast on Lawrence.
Unless... wait, did Connor give her a Prana transfer?
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Rage, pure adrenaline fueled rage. She'll collapse shortly. Angra is her mortal enemy so I figure it fits
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Today was a good day.
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lantz... I'm sorry, but that whole scene... it was...
OK. "Sakura" shouldn't be able to do that. They pretty much teleported down those stairs. You spit in the face of Archer and Rin's characters even more by having her daughter be that way. The red hair thing still makes no sense. You pretty much "resolved" the whole thing in not only a matter that was nonsensical, but was entirely exclusionary to anyone else.
I'm sorry, but I think this needs a GM ruling. This just goes way too far.
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I'll agree that it was as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face, emotional as an accidental sledgehammer to the face and put together with the same finesse as a man dropping a sledgehammer on another man's face, but it doesn't need a GM ruling.
What it needed was an actual set-up that doesn't make it look like Sak the young has teleportation powers that came in a package deal with frame-skipping ones.
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lantz... I'm sorry, but that whole scene... it was...
OK. "Sakura" shouldn't be able to do that. They pretty much teleported down those stairs. You spit in the face of Archer and Rin's characters even more by having her daughter be that way. The red hair thing still makes no sense. You pretty much "resolved" the whole thing in not only a matter that was nonsensical, but was entirely exclusionary to anyone else.
I'm sorry, but I think this needs a GM ruling. This just goes way too far.
Seconded. That's godmodding in the extreme. You denied any response from any of our characters, AND did it in a nonsensical and utterly stupid fashion.
And I'll have to ask Elf for this, but I'm pretty sure I could Boneyard Angra back here.
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The floor bit was my bad yes, rechecking it I made a mistake since I thought that the kitchen was upstairs. The red hair magic bit is something I discussed with elf a long time ago and as for the rest you are just being hostile.
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As hostile as a sledgehammer to the face?
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No arch, she was already dissolving, you wouldn't have reached her anyway.
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Personally, I see it as being similar to that one boss fight in that video game you love, where you fight for like half an hour and exhaust your party, only to have some random shmuck show up at the end and take credit for everything without any warning. Kinda like fighting all day at Helm's Deep and then having to watch fucking Gandalf show up and save the day like the stupid asshole that he is.
Basically, not cool man. Not cool.
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I'm so sick and tired of being shit on. She was dying and was going to next turn no matter what. I choose to use my character and give her a moment, I do not care if it spits in a characters face when frankly the player of said characters is out right hostile to me.
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I stated before that the floor issue was my mistake. But as for the rest my characters have been inoperative for quite a bit. So I posted with them, I have a right to play the game
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Well lantz, that's a problem. You can't do a roleplay if the only characters you care about are your own. We're all guilty of this in part, but from what I've read you've literally spent the entire RP doing whatever the hell you feel like with no consideration for what everyone else wants. Sure, you haven't technically broken any rules, and your post was, again, not god-modding, but it's still a bit of a middle finger to everyone who had gotten emotionally invested in the scene.
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No arch, she was already dissolving, you wouldn't have reached her anyway.
AHAHAHA that's not how the boneyard works. She was easily in his range. When the Stigmatic Boneyard goes off, it's an INSTANT thing, and she'd just get sucked into it. Lawrences will would override her own, and then it's sealing ritual time. Actually, he wouldn't even need the Boneyard. He could just activate the Seal, using his newfound plasm to force her into the bottle, which would then be sealed with a bit of iron baling wire. He's already got the symbol drawn on it.
Enjoy his small bottle of Jaegermiester as her new home until he needs to eat her.
I fucking love Sin-Eater powers. It's like the ultimate 'Fuck You' to shit like this.
Also, ALTER WHEN.
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A moment that is pretty terrible from a character development standpoint and from a "where the fuck did that come from" standpoint at the same time, mind you. It was unsubtle, poor storytelling and basically goes off as you slapping your own two little handpuppets together while the rest of the circus you're a part of looks at you with disapproval because there was more than just you and the guy you approve of in the number being displayed tomorrow.
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My characters repeatedly got sidelined and in some cases those things were needed (the bit in the street with the phone call) to trigger an event. I have spent a large chunk of the game doing things to facilitate other players bloble. I'm not acting in my own interests 90% of the time.
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My characters repeatedly got sidelined and in some cases those things were needed (the bit in the street with the phone call) to trigger an event. I have spent a large chunk of the game doing things to facilitate other players bloble. I'm not acting in my own interests 90% of the time.
Riiiiiight.
Then why isn't Alter doing something, I mean seriously have you forgotten about her?
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Also, once you're actually capable of RolePlaying and not spouting OOC reasons for things that are IC like with thus:
I do not care if it spits in a characters face when frankly the player of said characters is out right hostile to me
You might actually earn a modicum of respect.
As it stands you pulled shit out of your ass with absolutely no warning because you felt one of your snowflakes wasn't getting enough attention.
BIG DEAL, One of mine is currently lost and forgotten in the basement of the apartment building.
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Maybe you're right, lantz. Maybe you have spent most of the game being a bro and helping others do stuff, and that's awesome of you. I'll admit that I've only skimmed any posts before Axe Cop's entrance, so I might have missed some of those moments. But here? All I've seen here is you messing up what could've been a good moment.
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Also, once you're actually capable of RolePlaying and not spouting OOC reasons for things that are IC like with thus:
I do not care if it spits in a characters face when frankly the player of said characters is out right hostile to me
You might actually earn a modicum of respect.
As it stands you pulled shit out of your ass with absolutely no warning because you felt one of your snowflakes wasn't getting enough attention.
BIG DEAL, One of mine is currently lost and forgotten in the basement of the apartment building.
Ran? I've been waiting for her to pop upstairs to see what the fuss is about.
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Again, the stairs bit I missed, my bad. You guys have missed plenty of stuff I'm not the only one who makes mistakes. It was the opportunity I had because Angra was dead next turn anyway and I was exceedingly bored with my other characters being preoccupied for the time being and because frankly my characters have been treated like dirt and obviously will continue to be treated so supporting their development solo was my only option.
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Again, the stairs bit I missed, my bad. You guys have missed plenty of stuff I'm not the only one who makes mistakes. It was the opportunity I had because Angra was dead next turn anyway and I was exceedingly bored with my other characters being preoccupied for the time being and because frankly my characters have been treated like dirt and obviously will continue to be treated so supporting their development solo was my only option.
Well, considering how they fucking act to the other characters, I'm not surprised that they're being treated like shit.
Every damn opportunity we could give you for character development has been vetoed by yourself. Then your characters pull stupid shit, or act like utter pricks, and all sympathy any of our characters could have had for them goes straight out the window.
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lantz... she shouldn't be able to take down Angra Manyu down with one punch, even if she was already dissolving. Especially when weakened- adrenaline can confer incredible strength in some circumstances, yes, but not to that extent. And the magic hair thing still doesn't make sense and just makes her an amazonian Akiha ripoff that happens to be Rin and Archer's daughter that apparently HULK RAGES, which doesn't really gel with who her parents are.
Plus, again, you just resolved the whole thing in a manner that's nonsensical that is, again, exclusionary. Plus how did she even sense Angra? She doesn't have a taint like Rebecca had (until Law exercised it out of her). Thus I still stand by my saying that this needs a GM ruling.
And, lantz... quite frankly, that only makes you look like a self righteous asshole, spitting in other people's faces because they're "hostile". You see most everyone as "hostile". I still tried to be patient and fair with you, in spite of how I feel about you personally. But quite frankly, your behavior and the way you've handled things is quite frankly upsetting quite a few people here. Maybe consider the fact there's a reason people are having so many objections to the stuff you do.
Also, lantz, you're not the only one with characters sidelined- Mille's stuck in bed, Finn's still transitioning downstairs, Tom's only walking right now, most of Daiki's characters have been ignored, Milbunk is still waiting for someone to play with Downey, most of Mord's characters have been currently sidelined, etc. Stop making everything about you.
And no, lantz's characters haven't been helpful. The only useful thing any of them have done is Toshi having BDSM sex with Rider. That's it.
...Also, a ton of replies have sprung up since I started writing this, so forgive me if I didn't reply to certain things. ^_^"
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Well, considering how they fucking act to the other characters, I'm not surprised that they're being treated like shit.
Every damn opportunity we could give you for character development has been vetoed by yourself. Then your characters pull stupid shit, or act like utter pricks, and all sympathy any of our characters could have had for them goes straight out the window.
Sorry to double post, but this is to make things more readable.
Pretty much this. Your (lantz's) characters are pretty much complete jerks to all the other characters except each other. Don't be surprised that our characters react the way they do because of that.
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lantz... she shouldn't be able to take down Angra Manyu down with one punch, even if she was already dissolving. Especially when weakened- adrenaline can confer incredible strength in some circumstances, yes, but not to that extent. And the magic hair thing still doesn't make sense and just makes her an amazonian Akiha ripoff that happens to be Rin and Archer's daughter that apparently HULK RAGES, which doesn't really gel with who her parents are.
Plus, again, you just resolved the whole thing in a manner that's nonsensical that is, again, exclusionary. Plus how did she even sense Angra? She doesn't have a taint like Rebecca had (until Law exercised it out of her). Thus I still stand by my saying that this needs a GM ruling.
And, lantz... quite frankly, that only makes you look like a self righteous asshole, spitting in other people's faces because they're "hostile". You see most everyone as "hostile". I still tried to be patient and fair with you, in spite of how I feel about you personally. But quite frankly, your behavior and the way you've handled things is quite frankly upsetting quite a few people here. Maybe consider the fact there's a reason people are having so many objections to the stuff you do.
Also, lantz, you're not the only one with characters sidelined- Mille's stuck in bed, Finn's still transitioning downstairs, Tom's only walking right now, most of Daiki's characters have been ignored, Milbunk is still waiting for someone to play with Downey, most of Mord's characters have been currently sidelined, etc. Stop making everything about you.
And no, lantz's characters haven't been helpful. The only useful thing any of them have done is Toshi having BDSM sex with Rider. That's it.
...Also, a ton of replies have sprung up since I started writing this, so forgive me if I didn't reply to certain things. ^_^"
No problem!
Also, yeah, poor Milbunk - it's just hard to find characters that mesh with him well. I was considering giving him Patches, Ghoul Razorboy Extrodinare to act as a Lieutenant for him, but I guess that's not going to work out unless we really come together over it.
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Alice Sakura did not hurt Angra, Angra's body dissolved because of the wards in the area. You misread it.
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Alice Sakura did not hurt Angra, Angra's body dissolved because of the wards in the area. You misread it.
Wat.
Then it should have dissolved as soon as it fucking materialized. Or not been able to materialize at all. Quit pulling bullshit.
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Ran? I've been waiting for her to pop upstairs to see what the fuss is about.
I once had a reason for that, but since the noise has continually been going on for ten minutes I might actually have her check what the fuck's going on, since maybe after all she won't miss the action.
And once she does miss all the action, I can have her bang her head at the wall to relieve both her frustration and mine. And who knows, maybe I can start having her make out with random females while her brain oozes out of her liquefied forehead. After that, she can bang Law so hard the redheaded driver will be banged into some kind of container for the night, made to stare at a doorknob with a sock tied to it.
After all it's out-of-nowhere snowflake spotlight corner, I might as well do whatever I god damn well please and then put my head up my ass, since it seems to be in fashion.
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Ran? I've been waiting for her to pop upstairs to see what the fuss is about.
I once had a reason for that, but since the noise has continually been going on for ten minutes I might actually have her check what the fuck's going on, since maybe after all she won't miss the action.
And once she does miss all the action, I can have her bang her head at the wall to relieve both her frustration and mine. And who knows, maybe I can start having her make out with random females while her brain oozes out of her liquefied forehead. After that, she can bang Law so hard the redheaded driver will be banged into some kind of container for the night, made to stare at a doorknob with a sock tied to it.
After all it's out-of-nowhere snowflake spotlight corner, I might as well do whatever I god damn well please and then put my head up my ass, since it seems to be in fashion.
>After that, she can bang Law so hard the redheaded driver will be banged into some kind of container for the night, made to stare at a doorknob with a sock tied to it.
Oh god I'm laughing so hard at this so fucking hard oh god my sides.
He's always watching, so if you're into that sorta thing, Lawrence is a one man exhibitionist.
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I would explain Sakura but I haven't the time Alice, perhaps when things calm down and I stop being insulted I'll go into it. You want answers then stop attacking me please.
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Hey, Magos. You're not angry about the whole cuffing thing, are you? If it's that bad I can always bullshit a way for you to escape again.
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Hey, Magos. You're not angry about the whole cuffing thing, are you? If it's that bad I can always bullshit a way for you to escape again.
Nope, but he'll be jittery as fuck down at the station.
In any case, he could escape from a maximum security prison by using the Industrial Boneyard if it came to it. He's still rather loopy about all this though.
Expect a whole lot of 'No officer I didn't give her a bad touch, it was a good touch see, cuz she liked it and it made her feel better, and she was totally asking for it' combined with 'YOU DON'T GOT SHIT ON ME I DIDN'T DO NOTHING'
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I would explain Sakura but I haven't the time Alice, perhaps when things calm down and I stop being insulted I'll go into it. You want answers then stop attacking me please.
Then fucking answer and we'll stop. That's how this works Lantz, this is the Internet.
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Answer properly, he means. If you're not going to put any effort into it then save us all the trouble.
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lantz, we're not even attacking you. You're the one being the jerk to us. Honestly, if you'd just actually talk to us and just answer the questions to begin with, half of this stuff wouldn't happen. But no, to you, no one's opinion matters but your own. You need to stop being so selfish.
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lantz, we're not even attacking you. You're the one being the jerk to us. Honestly, if you'd just actually talk to us and just answer the questions to begin with, half of this stuff wouldn't happen. But no, to you, no one's opinion matters but your own. You need to stop being so selfish.
This this this fucking this.
You never answer our god damn questions. It makes you look like an ass and when you do answer, it smells slightly of bull feces and piss.
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It's now clear to me that you can't tell when you're insulting someone. You've been selfish yourselves and refused to acknowledge when you insulted me and yet demand I be less selfish when honestly I've constantly been doing things for other players.
Sakura has history with Angra, it's a very long story and it's late but the short version is. In severing the timeline to create a closed point to defeat the crimson moon amalgam creature several things happened as side effects, one of these was Sakura coming into contact with Angra as a child ( which prompts numerous other things as well) it was a terrible experience which left her traumatized not to mention laid up in bed for six month after magic healing. The evil did what it does sewing despair into the child and emotionally scarring her for life.
as I said earlier I would give more lengthy explanations if I was given respect rather than being constantly interrogated or insulted (yes Alice saying I spit in the face of characters is an insult) I don't come at you guys because I respect your space. Despite not liking some characters I shrug it off because you have the right to play them your way. Same as me, and I would be more inclusive eventwise if I got the same in return.
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The main difference is that our characters don't always act like assholes who know everything and aren't fucking perfect in every way or regularly do bullshit feats like the ones yours.
And you still neglected to answer how Angra could get through the wards.
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I would point out everything factually wrong with that post but you'd ignore me and blame everyone else for it, so fuck that.
Instead I'll just lie back and expand upon my previous idea of watching you flail your arms around.
What a nice show.
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(yes Alice saying I spit in the face of characters is an insult)
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I'm so sick and tired of being shit on. She was dying and was going to next turn no matter what. I choose to use my character and give her a moment, I do not care if it spits in a characters face when frankly the player of said characters is out right hostile to me.
I do not care if it spits in a characters face when frankly the player of said characters is out right hostile to me.
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,54.msg7119.html#msg7119 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,54.msg7119.html#msg7119)
I'll get to the rest later possibly, but I felt like this part needed to be addressed right now. You're really not doing yourself any favors here, lantz.
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I was mad and it's late Alice, you've said much worse to to me because of stress. So I'm sorry, I didn't quite mean it the way it came off. I'm just frustrated because of all the crap lately. Seriously I made a mistake, admitted it and still got shit on, it's taxing.
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I would point out everything factually wrong with that post but you'd ignore me and blame everyone else for it, so fuck that.
Instead I'll just lie back and expand upon my previous idea of watching you flail your arms around.
What a nice show.
Alright, then I'll do it.
First of all, it's SOWING not SEWING. Second, Crimson Moon Amalgam Creature just sounds fucking stupid and is basically an impossibility that you pulled out of your ass. Third, a closed time loop is not possible by any means.
Without knowing the greater context of her backstory you can't pick up on any of the shit. You act like we know everything about your characters, but when you barely flesh them out in visible places WE DON'T KNOW SHIT!
Take, say, Lawrence for example - what he did before he became a Sin-Eater doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, so I'm not going to bother using it. I've explained all I need to have him exist in this universe in his character sheet, while also giving information about what he's like as a Sin-Eater.
Meanwhile, to understand ANYTHING about your characters, we have to fucking beg for scraps of information from you to attempt to justify any of your bullshit, and they're often lacking in substance, depth, or informative character development.
You are the worst example of 'Tell, don't show' I have ever seen. Ever. And I seriously mean that.
I was mad and it's late Alice, you've said much worse to to me because of stress. So I'm sorry, I didn't quite mean it the way it came off. I'm just frustrated because of all the crap lately. Seriously I made a mistake, admitted it and still got shit on, it's taxing.
Oh shove it up your ass. You know damn well why we're pissed at you, and it isn't your teleportation mistake - it's that you cut ALL OF US out of the loop because you can't be fucked to let characters develop organically. It's because your characters routinely act like assholes, are mary sues of a very high tier, and can apparently do no wrong ever. And when they do fuck up, they don't. Hell, we had to fucking SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT that projecting a car is impossible, and then you asspulled something in an attempt to justify it which made even less sense.
And then don't get me started on the Magical Shrinking Expanding Castle bullshit.
You routinely disregard the opinions and desires of others to make your characters look AWESOME and PERFECT and COOL, and IC they all act like stuck up pricks and/or bitches. You also will never ever let them die or get hurt by god forbid a character you can't command, and asspull shit so they won't get hurt or any shit like that. I fucking pity your gaming group and wonder how in the fucking hell they ever tolerated you because that sort of bullshit is something that I as a GM would have slapped you in the face about a long, long time ago.
That's why we're pissed Lantz, because you only care about you.
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The part of the mistake you admitted to isn't the part we were all unhappy about, though. The part you admitted was the most inconsequential bit of the entire equation, the bit we were all like "oh yeah, that was an issue too..." at.
You can't really blame us for continuing to be mad at you when you didn't just not apologize for the part we were mad at, but rather went on to validate yourself on that one specific point while brushing us all aside.
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From where I was standing you all looked to be breathing fire at me. I've said this before I do not respond well to that kind of mentality names. Chilling the fuck out is step one.
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The part of the mistake you admitted to isn't the part we were all unhappy about, though. The part you admitted was the most inconsequential bit of the entire equation, the bit we were all like "oh yeah, that was an issue too..." at.
You can't really blame us for continuing to be mad at you when you didn't just not apologize for the part we were mad at, but rather went on to validate yourself on that one specific point while brushing us all aside.
This is another thing. You never admit that you fucked up on the things we actually take issue with. You evade all the damn blame all the fucking time, and then have the fucking gall to accuse us of 'Not getting you' and then try to hide behind something because you can't take criticism or learn in any meaningful fashion how to act.
I pity your gaming group Lantz, because I shudder to think of all the bullshit that they've had to put up with over the years from you.
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Yes well, from where you stand every time someone says something even remotely negative, they're breathing fire at you. This is to the point where you assume usage of the word "fail" in your general direction means insults at your expense.
Step one is realize that no one hates YOU, we hate the actions you DO sometimes. And of course we can't get mad at actions, so we get mad at you for acting that way and then acting like everything's fine, when what you just did was cockblock everyone else just because you felt one of your characters hadn't had the camera stuck to her face in the last in-game thirty minutes.
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With Alice I can openly acknowledge that wires get crossed with the way things are conveyed between she and I neither she nor I are intentionally trying to anger one another despite past events. However despite my less than optimal performance in communication I can only conclude that ever time you address me Arch you are attempting to anger me. It is the only thing that makes sense. As such I don't intend on answering your questions because it seems obvious that I will only be making myself suffer for nothing.
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With Alice I can openly acknowledge that wires get crossed with the way things are conveyed between she and I neither she nor I are intentionally trying to anger one another despite past events. However despite my less than optimal performance in communication I can only conclude that ever time you address me Arch you are attempting to anger me. It is the only thing that makes sense. As such I don't intend on answering your questions because it seems obvious that I will only be making myself suffer for nothing.
Oh wow, you seem to be missing every point I make, and avoiding answering any questions I pose because you can't seem to acknowledge criticism, wow, what a motherfucking surprise.
And you seem to still not get it through your fucking thick skull, so let me spell it out for you:'
YOU
ARE
ACTING
LIKE
A
LITTLE
PRISSY
SPOILED
BRAT
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If someone had asked me to edit politely names I'd have done it. Instead everyone flipped out. Unfortunately unless those who have posted after me want to roll back their posts I'm not sure I can do that at this point
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If someone had asked me to edit politely names I'd have done it. Instead everyone flipped out. Unfortunately unless those who have posted after me want to roll back their posts I'm not sure I can do that at this point
...Still missing the entire fucking point aren't you Lantz? It isn't the teleportation we're angry about, it's your refusal to play ball with us, and denying what could be fucking amazing character interactions, all because one of your sues hasn't had the fucking spotlight shined in her face for five fucking seconds.
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We had no reason to assume you'd do it, however, based on previous evidence when you had Angra show up after everyone had decided to just let Elf sort out the situation and you didn't delete your post even after seeing all of this.
And really, your post pissed a lot of us off. We were emotional and not tolerant of you taking up the spotlight just because of, as was later revealed, a personal feeling that your one character hadn't been seen in the last little while. The situation itself we wouldn't be as mad at if you did build it up, because this is a team game and we should know when you're about to do this stuff through the IC posts at least, but instead you made everything happen based on what you wanted to see in a story instead of in an RP.
The thing is, we're playing this game too. I won't have Ran randomly pop up from behind a door in the hallway to bang Law, because I haven't taken control of Ran in an RP post and moved her there, because I wasn't public about it. We're all on the same team, and you can't just spring this stuff right out of the wall whenever you want it to happen a certain way. It's not fair to the rest of us.
It's just not fair for everyone else playing the game, and it DOES qualify as godmodding.
And if you're not fair to them, of course everyone else will treat you like crap for it. Eye for an eye is practically hardwired in human beings.
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Ok before the board timed me out I wrote this huge thing but it boils down to this. Mistakes were clearly made on both side and we all have to learn from it. You guys have to keep in mind a polite request is an option and I'll have to be more careful in executing these kinds of floating point kinda things. Hopefully I won't have to do so under my own power the next time an event comes up.
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lantz, that doesn't change the fact that what you did was very inconsiderate. You need to consider the other players and not just ignore what they need because you feel they're "hostile" towards you. Actually ask us before you do these things, and answer our questions. Also, I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence.
I still think this needs a GM ruling. Hopefully Bloble wouldn't mind deleting his post if that's what's necessary to fix this. Quite frankly, I think we deserve the chance to have the scene be resolved properly, in a way that allows others the chance to interact with it.
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I acknowledged that the way I did it was poor and that's all I can do about it Alice. At this stage I cannot edit anything to change it. And again Alice many times my characters are outright treated as monsters or abused verbally leaving me to have to act to generate story opportunities in a self contained manner, if they were not immediately put upon and written off I would not have to do so. This came about because I felt I would not get help from the rest of you and there's truth to that. So do not think I am solely responsible for the situation at hand please.
as for resolution I do have to wonder what you can do when Angra will die next post (assuming we do roll back which I am ok with but can't because again other peoples posts are there now) you can't trap her mind or make her live longer. I mean maybe a one liner can be thrown at her but I'm not sure what the difference that makes.
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If Bloble deletes his post, it's entirely possible for you to delete yours. And I know you're capable of deleting posts, because that's what happened during the Alter incident.
And don't shift the blame on us yet again. That's part of why we tend to get so frustrated- even when you take some of the blame, you tend to shift the rest onto someone that's not you.
Also, your characters are treated like monsters because they act like monsters. As I said earlier, they tend to be nasty to everyone except each other. And again, that doesn't change the fact that what you did was really inconsiderate and selfish.
Again, this is why I say we need a GM ruling. If Elf says that the posts should go bye bye, even if you somehow can't delete the post yourself, I can do that for you.
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I stated that as of now I cannot do anything and already stated that yes if players ahead of me roll back I can do things like edit.
as for the rest of your post it seems that communication has broken down because to me it looks like instead of moving forward you're resorting to blaming me for everything again. This is neither correct fair or constructive.
I am not solely to blame here.
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If Bloble deletes his post, it's entirely possible for you to delete yours. And I know you're capable of deleting posts, because that's what happened during the Alter incident.
Yes, but Bloble hasn't deleted his post....
And don't shift the blame on us yet again. That's part of why we tend to get so frustrated- even when you take some of the blame, you tend to shift the rest onto someone that's not you.
Yeah, it's rare that something is entirely one person's fault, and I think it's a little unfair to assume Lantz should just assume all the responsibility for everything.
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Yeah, it's rare that something is entirely one person's fault, and I think it's a little unfair to assume Lantz should just assume all the responsibility for everything.
It's rare, but in this case entirely accurate.
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Cherry, first of all, please read everything and get a better understanding of the situation first.
Second of all, the thing is, he's shifting most of the blame on us here when he's the one who's primarily responsible. I never said there was no fault on our end, but a lot of this situation had to do with lantz reacting out of selfish impulse and not even caring to consider anyone else playing because they're "hostile" to him.
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I don't think he is shifting most of the blame to you, he's saying "we're both to blame, this is a miscommunication".
I have read everything, and the conclusion I've come to is that Lantz misunderstood the situation and layout of the house, you and Magos got somewhat aggressive about it and then it devolved into an argument. Like Lantz says, actually asking him to change it and explaining the issue is a far better way of dealing with it than shouting at him, demanding a GM intervention and calling him selfish for it.
Also, if Lantz has an issue with seeing you as hostile, then being even more hostile when he tries to actually apologise is not going to help matters. You might not agree with everything he said, but he is at least admitting he did screw up. Being aggressive about it because he doesn't see it in exactly the same way as you do is only going to prove to him that he shouldn't bother in future.
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I don't think he is shifting most of the blame to you, he's saying "we're both to blame, this is a miscommunication".
I have read everything, and the conclusion I've come to is that Lantz misunderstood the situation and layout of the house, you and Magos got somewhat aggressive about it and then it devolved into an argument. Like Lantz says, actually asking him to change it and explaining the issue is a far better way of dealing with it than shouting at him, demanding a GM intervention and calling him selfish for it.
Also, if Lantz has an issue with seeing you as hostile, then being even more hostile when he tries to actually apologise is not going to help matters. You might not agree with everything he said, but he is at least admitting he did screw up. Being aggressive about it because he doesn't see it in exactly the same way as you do is only going to prove to him that he shouldn't bother in future.
The problem isn't that, you obviously skimmed and missed the fucking point like Lantz did. Read carefully, as Alice said, so you can understand the situation better, we state the reason for our anger multiple times.
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...You understood it wrong then, Cherry. Again, it's not the teleportation thing that we're mainly angry about. It's the fact that he had Angra killed in a really terrible way by his own OC when it was completely illogical and unnecessary for her to do so just so she could get more spotlight, effectively ruining the scene and any other character interaction we may have had.
You're missing the point completely here. What he did was, once again, inconsiderate and selfish. He is mostly to blame here because he clearly does not care about what we think and letting us play properly in the RP. He even gives the justification that it's because we're "hostile" for that.
Well, I'm sorry, I'm not letting him do something this dickish just because we're "hostile." If the only problem he sees is the teleportation crap, then why should we be considerate to him? At all? Clearly he doesn't give two shits about what I think. Because why the hell would my opinion matter, huh? Because I'm "hostile."
Honestly, if I were the one running the RP here, I would have kicked him out for that. A simple mistake about the rooms is one thing, and is entirely excusable, doing a dickish thing like he did there, and using the justification that he can do it because he doesn't like us to boot, is god awful and quite frankly is kinda unforgivable.
That's why I'm saying there needs to be a GM ruling. lantz went way too far this time. And quite frankly, I'm tired of just standing by and watching it happen. If lantz refuses to be considerate, then maybe I should stop being considerate.
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And once again you did not read the post Alice Angra died BEFORE Sakura brought the chair down. Honestly mike is right, I don't want to bother trying when I get nothing but hostility even when I admit I screwed up.
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Alice once again you are mishearing me and acting hostile as a result.
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Judging by your claims you have not listened to what I have said and are just assume to understand what I mean. In short Alice stop flipping out and please listen
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....lantz, quite frankly you're the one not listening to one fucking word I'm saying. And quite frankly lantz, I have no fucking desire to "stop flipping out" whatsoever because you, as always, are fucking shifting the blame to me!
Just admit you were a fucking asshole in that post for once, lantz, instead of blaming everyone else for something you fucking did! And no, not only that, but you're denying that you even did it! Oh no, you only did the teleportation stuff. Clearly you weren't a complete asshole and just shoved your Sue (that shits on characters that I'm playing, I may add), into the middle of that conflict for no good or justified reason just so you could get more attention. That wasn't inconsiderate to the other players at all. Oh no, that's clearly my fault instead of yours.
No, lantz, quite frankly... you're beyond forgiveness. You are the most selfish, inconsiderate, manipulative, egotistical person I have had the displeasure of meeting, and that reflects in your characters.
I've tried to be nice, lantz. Oh how fucking long I have tried so hard to be nice and considerate to you even though I really don't get along with you. But I'm thinking maybe that it's about time that ended lantz, because clearly it's a waste of fucking time. So no lantz, I have no fucking intention of stopping "flipping out." I'm just fucking fine wanting to punch you in the damn face at this point, thanks.
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Ok, no idea how that triple post happened but here is my point. The reason I had her enter the scene (which bloble when you read this be a bro a scrap your post so I can edit mine to make this make sense) was because at least for the moment two of my six characters are frozen and the one involved in the scene was (and presuming bloble agrees) is going to die in my next post. My other three characters are non dynamic with any characters other than elf's and mike's (in so far as recent events and game history) this is partly due to the current goings on in the compound but mostly due to the outright hostility they have received (in particular Sakura) this means that because of the other characters being the way they are I have to generate an event on my own to involve them in things.
because of this fact I chose to involve her because she is relevant and because her being present then allows me to continue playing because I've literally been doing nothing save for a small ineffectual reply to Kiyoshi.
not a perfect idea but if I thought characters other than elf's or Mike's would interact without painting a target on my characters I would not have to self generate events and actions.
this is what I'm saying, you are responsible for out casting my characters as you have. It was your choice to do what your characters did and to continue avoiding my characters.
my characters aren't boogy men, Satoshi played devil's advocate for mos, that's not monstrous behavior nor is trading death threats when he isn't the first one ( there is a reason behind that whole exchange but I'm honestly wondering if I should explain it when it will likely get shrugged off)
and Sakura and Taiga have reasons for the way they are, the former won't just believe her family are terrible people and the latter is just Taiga emulating her mum because Kiyo want to be a superhero.
I did screw up here but not only have I been repeatedly willing to change it but I haven't asked for people to take blame unfairly. Simply that I am not solely to blame.
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I have tried to discuss this calmly and do as Names asked and improve communication. However I can't do that when I get this hostility as a reply.
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As usual- it's not your characters' fault that they get hostility, it's our fault. It's not because your characters treat everyone around them terribly, oh no.
The only one remotely innocent here is Connor, Taiga was a complete bitch to both Connor and Kiyoshi, "Sakura" was completely bitchy and disrespectful to both her parents (and is sexist to boot against her own gender, what with the "women are more sensitive and emotional" crap) and claimed and acted as if they weren't her real parents, and then turns around and gets hurt when they joke about this, on top of being a bitch to Forest just because she's a vampire, and Toshi threatened to kill Archer in front of Hakuno and defended the man that shot her just because he was trying to be "fair."
The lack of chemistry with characters besides Rider is entirely your own fault lantz. Plus that doesn't change the fact that what you did was completely shitty and selfish. The post doesn't need editing lantz, the post needs deleted. Because even if it weren't a really shitty and selfish thing to do, it was nonsensical, poorly written, and made "Sakura" even more of a Sue anyway. It doesn't matter that Angra was vanishing, what you did was still really fucking selfish and mean.
Again, the reasons people have such a hard time getting along with you reflect in your characters. Don't blame us for your own faults. Actually learn to change into a better person instead of assuming everyone else must be wrong and the bad guy.
But clearly, everything ever is my fucking fault, as always. You never do anything wrong, it's clearly always me to blame. What are you going to accuse me of next, lantz, causing 9/11 or something? Because clearly everything ever is somehow my fault.
And everything is fucking hostile to you, lantz. So I'm being genuinely hostile now because I've had enough, and quite frankly, I'm kinda furious at this point.
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we all need to take a chill pill
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Sorry about the sudden burst of angry- normally I'm more chill about stuff than this. It's just this stuff has been wearing me down for at least 4 to 5 months now, and I have my limits.
Thank you, by the way, Bloble, for deleting your post.
Now I hope lantz will show similar consideration and delete his post. Honestly, it'd be one of the few things that'd restore anything resembling respect I have for him at this point...
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I have tried to discuss this calmly and do as Names asked and improve communication. However I can't do that when I get this hostility as a reply.
You're getting hostility because you're acting like, and I'm not going to sugar coat it here - a prick 10 year old who just kicked someone in the face because they weren't playing football with him, and then looks surprised when no one wants to ever play football with him again because he just KICKED SOMEONE IN THE FACE OVER IT.
Actually, that argument is likely beyond your apparent goldfish like quality of intelligence and information absorption, so I'm going to dumb it down again for you. We aren't mad about the teleportation - we're mad at your sudden fucking dick move of making Angra disappear due to the wards, something of which there was NO PREVIOUS INDICATION HAPPENING. Hell, the wards probably should have just prevented her from appearing in the first place, not kill her 10 minutes later. We're mad because you attempted to shift the spotlight onto Sakura, for no reason, by making her basically a sudden HULKED OUT WARRIOR when she should have been too fucked up to move. We're mad because you basically showed a blatant disregard for everyone else playing the RP with that post, and a blatant disregard for the rules.
We're also mad because all your characters are fucking Mary Sues, especially Satoshi.
That's the reason they're not compatable for interaction with anyone, because they act like little bitches who always get their way. They practically demand things to happen, or they pull bullshit to make themselves look cool. They also rape all canon ever in the Nasuverse because obviously nasu is a hack and you can do far better despite having less grasp of the English language than he does of Japanese.
TL;DR for your little goldfish brain: We're fucking sick of your bullshit. Go fuck yourself.
Sorry about the sudden burst of angry- normally I'm more chill about stuff than this. It's just this stuff has been wearing me down for at least 4 to 5 months now, and I have my limits.
Thank you, by the way, Bloble, for deleting your post.
Now I hope lantz will show similar consideration and delete his post. Honestly, it'd be one of the few things that'd restore anything resembling respect I have for him at this point...
Lantz showing us respect is about as likely as a tea party republican having a brain.
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Thank you bloble, I will edit the post when I have time.
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Thank you bloble, I will edit the post when I have time.
No no no. Delete
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I'm assuming by "edit" he means "remove most of the content and replace it with something else". He still needs to post something....
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I'm assuming by "edit" he means "remove most of the content and replace it with something else". He still needs to post something....
Right, but in this case that means ditching his original post and starting from scratch.
Also are you going to post anything in the RP referencing stuff before Lantz's clusterfuck post?
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Hmm, so why is Angra disappearing now? The wards have been there from the beginning....
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It's like acid, she walked in and it started to eat her alive because as I've said she's sorta like mud in a plastic bag. The bag finally tore so to speak.
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It's like acid, she walked in and it started to eat her alive because as I've said she's sorta like mud in a plastic bag. The bag finally tore so to speak.
That isn't how wards work.
EDIT - Also the Sakura problem is still there. She shouldn't be moving let alone kicking in doors. And that reference isn't working. And makes no sense.
As is go go gadget capture flask.
Enjoy your new home Angra.
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OK, Magos, you don't get to control other characters. Also, whilst it is technically not killing her, I'm pretty sure locking his character up so he can't escape until he gets bored and lets you eat her violates the spirit if not the actual letter of the "no-kill" rule.
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Angra will respawn at the castle guys
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Also, Magos, I won't be posting until your post is edited, because I am 100% sure that it violates the "no controlling other characters" rule and I think it is also rather against the spirit of the "no-kill" rule too. So I see no point in replying to something that will almost certainly get edited by GM fiat if you don't change it yourself.
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OK, Magos, you don't get to control other characters. Also, whilst it is technically not killing her, I'm pretty sure locking his character up so he can't escape until he gets bored and lets you eat her violates the spirit if not the actual letter of the "no-kill" rule.
Actually... it doesn't have to suck her in. It will however, hold her in place.
From the core
Sometimes, a ghost is so terrible and difficult to destroy that the Sin-Eater can find no answer other than imprisoning it. The Sin-Eater can order the ghost to enter a room or container and can then bind the ghost so that it must remain within for the room or container for as long as it remains closed. Performing the Ceremony: The Sin-Eater marks the interior or exterior of the room or container with a complex sigil meaning prison. The Sin-Eater can then order a single ghost that she can clearly see to enter the room or container. The Sin-Eater must then seal all exits and openings with iron wire (versions of this ceremony also exist that instead use copper wire, high test fishing line, or even human hair). The Sin-Eater can seal the space from the inside or the outside and the space can be anything from a room in a house to a closet or a packing box, to a soda bottle. Wine and soda bottles are especially popular, and some Sin-Eaters have extensive collections of ghosts on their mantle pieces or wine cellars. The ghost can attack the Sin-Eater but cannot flee while the Sin-Eater is making the rolls for this ceremony.
He fulfilled all the requirements of the ceremony. At the very least, he'll prevent her from running.
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OK, the question is whether Angra qualifies as a "ghost", and Lantz gets to decide that, not you.
Also, I do think it is really bad form to do something that permanently takes a character out of the RP without the person playing them giving consent for that. There is a no-kill rule for a reason.
I also think that power is frankly OP and should not be allowed, because there is no way to prevent it working and it would presumably also affect someone like Rider.
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OK, the question is whether Angra qualifies as a "ghost", and Lantz gets to decide that, not you.
Also, I do think it is really bad form to do something that permanently takes a character out of the RP without the person playing them giving consent for that. There is a no-kill rule for a reason.
She's still in play as the castle. You seem to be forgetting that.
EDIT: She's also displayed memories of her treatment, indicating that she's basically a Heroic Spirit WHICH IS A HUMAN SOUL. Its' even in her sheet. She's a ghost, plain and simple.
Medusa on the other hand, is sorta in a grey area. She's more like a Geist than a ghost, so she'd probably be able to slip out of it. Actually, at best It'd probably only slow her down.
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Not a ghost, it did however force her to return to her anchor.
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Oh, for fuck's sake, Magos, an inanimate object does not count as a character.
Also, I don't recall seeing this ability on your character sheet. Which for something this powerful and having such an effect on everyone else is clearly not remotely reasonable. A power this OP needs the GM to be able to rule on it.
Additionally, you didn't give Lantz a chance to react. The ritual is presumably not short, yet you suddenly said "the character is captured" in one post.
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Oh, for fuck's sake, Magos, an inanimate object does not count as a character.
Also, I don't recall seeing this ability on your character sheet. Which for something this powerful and having such an effect on everyone else is clearly not remotely reasonable. A power this OP needs the GM to be able to rule on it.
Additionally, you didn't give Lantz a chance to react. The ritual is presumably not short, yet you suddenly said "the character is captured" in one post.
Actually, according to Lantz the Castle and Angra are one in the same.
I did not say "The Character is captured" I said, "The ritual is sucking her towards the bottle."
I posted this earlier in the thread when Elf asked for a list of character abilities. Sin-Eaters are rather powerful, and I did not see Elf objecting.
This is all stuff that the game allows them to do. This is a really simple ritual, but extremely potent. All that matters is activating the Seal and seeing the ghost.
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Oh, for fuck's sake, Magos, an inanimate object does not count as a character.
Also, I don't recall seeing this ability on your character sheet. Which for something this powerful and having such an effect on everyone else is clearly not remotely reasonable. A power this OP needs the GM to be able to rule on it.
Additionally, you didn't give Lantz a chance to react. The ritual is presumably not short, yet you suddenly said "the character is captured" in one post.
I did not say "The Character is captured" I said, "The ritual is sucking her towards the bottle."
I posted this earlier in the thread when Elf asked for a list of character abilities. Sin-Eaters are rather powerful, and I did not see Elf objecting.
This is all stuff that the game allows them to do. This is a really simple ritual, but extremely potent. All that matters is activating the Seal and seeing the ghost.
No, sorry, but this power is not on. It is too damn OP. There is literally nothing a spirit (which includes Rider) can do about it.
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Sorry Arch, Satoshi is the anchor for the curse, you'll have to kill him to sever her long enough to contain her and a piss poor bottle won't be enough to hold all the world's evil. She's respawning at the castle. End of story.
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Sorry Arch, Satoshi is the anchor for the curse, you'll have to kill him to sever her long enough to contain her and a piss poor bottle won't be enough to hold all the world's evil. She's respawning at the castle. End of story.
Pandora's box. Fucking checkmate. Besides, it's not just a bottle. It's a bottle with duct tape over the lid to seal it better. Totally different. Also, its a metal flask.
No, sorry, but this power is not on. It is too damn OP. There is literally nothing a spirit (which includes Rider) can do about it.
It falls into his domain as a Sin-Eater. He's the gatekeeper between the Underworld and the Living. Besides, Rider has MR capable of shrugging it off, and you can still attack Lawrence while the ritual is going on. That's always an answer.
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No Arch, Angra is gone. Respawning at castle.
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No Arch, Angra is gone. Respawning at castle.
Nope. Can't run away from this one Lantz. It's part of the fucking power.
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It falls into his domain as a Sin-Eater. He's the gatekeeper between the Underworld and the Living. Besides, Rider has MR capable of shrugging it off, and you can still attack Lawrence while the ritual is going on. That's always an answer.
Except that you gave Lantz literally one post to react. Also, if Rider can shrug it off with MR then Angra can find ways out too.
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It falls into his domain as a Sin-Eater. He's the gatekeeper between the Underworld and the Living. Besides, Rider has MR capable of shrugging it off, and you can still attack Lawrence while the ritual is going on. That's always an answer.
Except that you gave Lantz literally one post to react. Also, if Rider can shrug it off with MR then Angra can find ways out too.
That's because Rider as HS's go, is sorta an anomaly. She's a monster, no longer human. Angra at it's core as an HS is still human. Medusa isn't.
As is, one post is more than he gave us to react to her disappearing BS.
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Sorry but no, this not imprisonment in a fair way, I won't have it because if captured there's ostensibly no way out which is different from being bound in a magic field. I will not have my character in effect killed off without consent.
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It falls into his domain as a Sin-Eater. He's the gatekeeper between the Underworld and the Living. Besides, Rider has MR capable of shrugging it off, and you can still attack Lawrence while the ritual is going on. That's always an answer.
Except that you gave Lantz literally one post to react. Also, if Rider can shrug it off with MR then Angra can find ways out too.
That's because Rider as HS's go, is sorta an anomaly. She's a monster, no longer human. Angra at it's core as an HS is still human. Medusa isn't.
I think Angra is only very loosely human, if at all. Particularly Lantz's version, who seems to have little in common with the original person called Angra Mainyu. From what I can tell, Lantz's Angra is basically just a curse that has come to life.
As is, one post is more than he gave us to react to her disappearing BS.
Which he edited when people complained.
And, also, having a character disappear and locking a character up where they cannot act are not the same thing. They're not even close to the same. Stuff which causes more likely problems needs more chance to react.
Sorry but no, this not imprisonment in a fair way, I won't have it because if captured there's ostensibly no way out which is different from being bound in a magic field. I will not have my character in effect killed off without consent.
Yeah, I fully agree. It might not be breaking the literal wording of the no-kill rule, but it is sure as hell breaking the intent of it. As far as I am concerned you should need his consent to do anything like this.
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I think Angra is only very loosely human, if at all. Particularly Lantz's version, who seems to have little in common with the original person called Angra Mainyu. From what I can tell, Lantz's Angra is basically just a curse that has come to life.
As is, one post is more than he gave us to react to her disappearing BS.
Which he edited when people complained.
And, also, having a character disappear and locking a character up where they cannot act are not the same thing. They're not even close to the same. Stuff which causes more likely problems needs more chance to react.
Sorry but no, this not imprisonment in a fair way, I won't have it because if captured there's ostensibly no way out which is different from being bound in a magic field. I will not have my character in effect killed off without consent.
Yeah, I fully agree. It might not be breaking the literal wording of the no-kill rule, but it is sure as hell breaking the intent of it. As far as I am concerned you should need his consent to do anything like this.
Actually, there is a way out - Distrupt the ritual, fight your way out, or put up enough of a struggle to make the capture not worth it. It's not an instant death field no matter what you claim.
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Angra is all the worlds evil. She's not the guy who died to become it she's literally it. You can't contain the darkness of six billion people in a flask and even if you could she is firmly anchored by Satoshi, she will simply reconstitute at him because your flask can't stop that.
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Angra is all the worlds evil. She's not the guy who died to become it she's literally it. You can't contain the darkness of six billion people in a flask and even if you could she is firmly anchored by Satoshi, she will simply reconstitute at him because your flask can't stop that.
Fun fact - you're pulling bullshit because you state she's a servant in your sheet.
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Zero consent is made here. You do not get to capture my character in a mason jar.
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Zero consent is made here. You do not get to capture my character in a mason jar.
Nope, it isn't a mason jar. As is, your consent doesn't really matter here, considering Elf will rule on that. And in this case -
*I'm not killing her
*I gave you an opportunity to escape, fight back, or react, and then you pulled bullshit to escape which is explicitly stated in the power you can't do
*You're acting like an entitled little prick
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No arch, you are effectively killing my character. I do not consent
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Zero consent is made here. You do not get to capture my character in a mason jar.
Nope, it isn't a mason jar. As is, your consent doesn't really matter here, considering Elf will rule on that. And in this case -
Well, his consent matters if Elf says it does.
*I'm not killing her
You are in effect.
As I said, this might not break the letter of that rule but it sure as hell breaks the spirit of it.
*I gave you an opportunity to escape, fight back, or react, and then you pulled bullshit to escape which is explicitly stated in the power you can't do
She was already disappearing. I don't think Lantz's Angra works how you think it does.
*You're acting like an entitled little prick
Magos, he's not the one trying to destroy someone else's character out of malicious intent towards them....
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Magos, he's not the one trying to destroy someone else's character out of malicious intent towards them....
This is totally justified in character. This is his fucking JOB.
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Exactly cherry, plus he's being inconsiderate to Alice whose character specifically said they wanted to have words with Angra (which is why I didn't have,Angra die last post)
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Exactly cherry, plus he's being inconsiderate to Alice whose character specifically said they wanted to have words with Angra (which is why I didn't have,Angra die last post)
Actually, I am being considerate to her.
While you can't run, you can most certainly stay out of the bottle. I've stated this before.
If I was being inconsiderate, I could have Hijacked Dark Archer, and Archer with the Stigmatic Boneyard, used it to Angra limb from limb, then have the Archers blast what's left of her off the face of the planet.
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Also, in the original material, the ritual can be resisted by a roll that includes the affected character's supernatural power stat - for the purposes of this RP let's consider that Magic Resistance and the Mana stat are the revelant quantifiable characteristics that replace it, due to how MR works and how magi course prana through their circuits to resist magecraft. If Angra is mostly a Servant, then she's by definition a spirit/ghost, and susceptible to the ritual, as Servants are specifically "Ghost Liners" as well. And since she has mediocre stats and no magic resistance to speak of, that means her only real option is to attack Lawrence to try and disrupt his focus of the ritual, since she can't resist the ritual enough to simply escape. It doesn't mean it's probable, but it's still giving her a choice, and a chance to fight back and possibly escape if you manage to convince me with some good writing.
You want Cinematic? There you go.
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Dying is not running, she died and respawned and I'm keeping it that way at this point. I do not at all trust you. There is no way to attack unless I have Sakura punch Lawrence in the back of the head.
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Dying is not running, she died and respawned and I'm keeping it that way at this point. I do not at all trust you. There is no way to attack unless I have Sakura punch Lawrence in the back of the head.
See, here's the thing - she can't die to escape this. There is no escape, you will be sealed. That is the very essence of this ritual - there is no escape. Not even death.
Can't she just use her wolves then? Or you could have Sakura just punch him in the back of the head.
For that matter, being sealed isn't the end of her - there's a bunch of things that could happen to her afterwords. After all, the others want to have some words for her, which could easily let her be unsealed. Basically, it isn't the end of this character, and right now Law is basically tripping balls off of all the plasm he's swimming in at the moment, so he has no need to eat her.
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Edited. And the lack of escape is a serious no no
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Yeah, Arch, sorry, but I don't think it's fair for you to basically take someone's character out of the RP. It's up to Elf, of course, but I would say it should definitely not be allowed.
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I think it's fair and perfectly possible under the rules (if Elf can bring in a full body Anti-Magic, this is way less OP), but it's also a dick move. I don't see it as violating the spirit of anything, as people can and do inconvenience each other all the time, but... well...
You're not a Ghostbuster, bro.
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I think it's fair and perfectly possible under the rules (if Elf can bring in a full body Anti-Magic, this is way less OP), but it's also a dick move. I don't see it as violating the spirit of anything, as people can and do inconvenience each other all the time, but... well...
You're not a Ghostbuster, bro.
Well, as far as I am aware, the "no killing" rule is there so people don't have characters taken out of the RP against their will. What Magos was planning to do would have had the same effect, and thus should really be covered by it.
It's fine to inconvinience other characters, but what Magos was doing went well beyond that, if successful.
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I don't think so. The no killing rule is to prevent irreversible stuff, not a temporary sealing. Hell, if Magos had beaten up Angra and tied her up in his basement with wards everywhere, would you say the same thing? This is pretty much that. And think of it this way: If he had succeeded, you'd have an entire arc where the objective is to rescue the princess from the big bad Sin-Eater! Even though said princess happens to be the literal personification of all evil.
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Since there is no escape from capture in the case of Arch's method it's not the same bloble which is why I objected to it. People can cap my characters if it is reasonably and measurably temporary. Being trapped in a bottle isn't
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Since there is no escape from capture in the case of Arch's method it's not the same bloble which is why I objected to it. People can cap my characters if it is reasonably and measurably temporary. Being trapped in a bottle isn't
It is measurable.
It's from the time I put the lid on until the time someone takes it off.
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Yeah that's not actually a correct measure of time Arch, so no, not acceptable
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I don't think so. The no killing rule is to prevent irreversible stuff, not a temporary sealing. Hell, if Magos had beaten up Angra and tied her up in his basement with wards everywhere, would you say the same thing? This is pretty much that. And think of it this way: If he had succeeded, you'd have an entire arc where the objective is to rescue the princess from the big bad Sin-Eater! Even though said princess happens to be the literal personification of all evil.
The thing is, what Magos was intending was irreversible, to all intents and purposes. Who the hell is going to attempt to rescue Angra Mainyu...?
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Not very irreversible if all it takes to let her go is twisting off a bottle cap. And Connor seems to be fine with rescuing her, although I have no idea why he'd want to IC.
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Not very irreversible if all it takes to let her go is twisting off a bottle cap. And Connor seems to be fine with rescuing her, although I have no idea why he'd want to IC.
Yeah, IC that doesn't really make sense, considering she's you know, the source of all evils.
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Not very irreversible if all it takes to let her go is twisting off a bottle cap.
That's like saying that death isn't irreversible because you could write a Necromancer as your next character. Sure, it is theoretically reversible, but no-one is going to do it....
And Connor seems to be fine with rescuing her, although I have no idea why he'd want to IC.
Lantz does actually have a decent explanation for that....
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Not very irreversible if all it takes to let her go is twisting off a bottle cap.
That's like saying that death isn't irreversible because you could write a Necromancer as your next character. Sure, it is theoretically reversible, but no-one is going to do it....
And Connor seems to be fine with rescuing her, although I have no idea why he'd want to IC.
Lantz does actually have a decent explanation for that....
Satoshi might want to free her for some BS reason. So could Connor or any of Lantz's OC crew.
Saber Alter would want her back.
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Dude, what. You're arguing that putting someone in prison is the exact same as permanently killing them. That's a crazy leap of logic right there.
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Connor has several reasons Bloble.
One: removing Angra would flood Satoshi, bad idea
Two: Sakura couldn't punch Lawrence given her soon to again be unconscious condition
Three: in relation to the above Sakura needs revenge and Lawrence capturing Angra doesn't count.
four: Lawrence threatened him with a shotgun and further did so while Connor was unarmed which is a major thing for Connor.
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Connor has several reasons Bloble.
One: removing Angra would flood Satoshi, bad idea
Two: Sakura couldn't punch Lawrence given her soon to again be unconscious condition
Three: in relation to the above Sakura needs revenge and Lawrence capturing Angra doesn't count.
four: Lawrence threatened him with a shotgun and further did so while Connor was unarmed which is a major thing for Connor.
How would it flood Satoshi? That doesn't make any damn sense.
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Oh wait I forgot Lawrence almost shot Conner. Yeah, the punch was justified. Too bad Axe Cop had no IC knowledge of that incident.
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Flood in this case refers to what Angra said earlier, she will drive him mad. Which is bad.
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Flood in this case refers to what Angra said earlier, she will drive him mad. Which is bad.
Fucks given about your Mary Sue going crazy? Zip.
Still doesn't make sense.
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And that is why I am prone to ignore you arch.
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And that is why I am prone to ignore you arch.
And Satoshi is a horribly suish abomination of a character that deserves to die in a fire. Moving on.
...Man , Elf is going to be freaking pissed at all the issues this little thing caused. Thanks Lantz.
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You started it Arch, next time don't do something like this to others characters
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You started it Arch, next time don't do something like this to others characters
>I started it
BRB, laughing my ass off because we all know how this started but you.
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The other issue is resolved arch, in bad taste to bring it up
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OK, for fuck's sake, just stop it, both of you. This is not a fucking playground.
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Hmm, sorry, ain't going to get a post done tonight. There's too much for me to react to, and I've been too busy dealing with all this stuff....
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Bloble, thank you for policing that mess; literally, because of Axe Cop.
Lantz, in the future, this RP isn't just about your characters.
Everyone, please be respectful of everyone.
Or I will get angry.
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That was never my point or intent.
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OK, I can't tell what the fuck is going on in that last post.
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Angra is still dying because Alice's character said she wanted to have the words with miss evil and Connor is taking Sakura upstairs
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Evil and Good require each other to exist, Evil is Dark and Good is Light. They are required to maintain balance and if Angra requires a new base of operations, I am willing to have Joe make the offer to employ her for what ever she wishes to do in his organization.
Joe is mainly neutral, he is neither Evil or Good in orientation and the ability to absorb magic [especially dark magic] that all Hulk's possess will render him immune to her taint. The same can not be said for the majority of his 'field' agents who could easily be tainted and manipulated by her, but then again Joe could just hire Lawrence to take care that tainted employee.
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Psssst, Mord. Axe Cop doesn't use magic to sense danger, so the immunity of yours wouldn't really do anything. It's strictly biological. I'll let you get away with it though since the entire house is packed with too much danger for Axe Cop to sift through it all at the moment.
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At least until Satoshi gets freed Angra will be hanging around him.
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I feel like at this rate Downy will just be sitting on the roof with his awesome spell going on and everyone just kinda walks by ignoring it. He ain't no comic relief character he means serious business.
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I feel like at this rate Downy will just be sitting on the roof with his awesome spell going on and everyone just kinda walks by ignoring it. He ain't no comic relief character he means serious business.
I think he'll have an encounter with possibly every magic user's worse enemy very soon.
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I feel like at this rate Downy will just be sitting on the roof with his awesome spell going on and everyone just kinda walks by ignoring it. He ain't no comic relief character he means serious business.
Mu can't do anything until Downy does something that causes him to act. But if I can finish up Red's stuff, I will be giving Downy a powerful rival
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I'm really struggling to write my post, because everyone just kept going without me whilst Kiyoshi was just standing there, and now a bunch of stuff has happened and I don't know where the hell he even is, let alone how to respoind.
Could people please give everyone else involved a chance to respond to their posts before making another one? There are times when having discussions with one other person makes sense, but when someone is directly interacting with another character they should wait for that character to have a chance to reply before posting again, or it makes things really hard.
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I'm really struggling to write my post, because everyone just kept going without me whilst Kiyoshi was just standing there, and now a bunch of stuff has happened and I don't know where the hell he even is, let alone how to respoind.
Could people please give everyone else involved a chance to respond to their posts before making another one? There are times when having discussions with one other person makes sense, but when someone is directly interacting with another character they should wait for that character to have a chance to reply before posting again, or it makes things really hard.
Just assume he's as lost as I am at the moment.
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He wouldn't just be "lost", though. He's not an idiot. Plus, that doesn't really help, I still need to find something to actually say.
I don't think I'm going to get it done tonight, honestly, my brain is too tired to work out what to post. But, please don't add any more stuff (which Kiyoshi would be involved in, I mean) until I actually get a chance to do so, it's just getting harder and harder every time you do.
And, in future, can people please not talk to my characters and then forget all about me and start to do something else whilst I'm in bed. It makes it impossible to write a reply without a hell of a lot of effort, which results in me getting even further bahind.
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IIRC If you haven't responded within a day we can just move on, but just give it a shot mike. If it's shit it's shit.
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Yes, but you didn't wait a day....
And, I just cannot get anywhere with it right now, I'm too tired. I'm going to have to try tomorrow.
Also, in general, it is better to wait for people where possible. Not everyone is going to be able to post every day, and leaving them behind because they miss one post isn't a great idea.
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Well Kiyoshi's just a ten year old kid, right? It wouldn't be out of character for him to get ignored by adults whenever it's time for serious business.
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Well Kiyoshi's just a ten year old kid, right? It wouldn't be out of character for him to get ignored by adults whenever it's time for serious business.
This is entirely true.
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Not to mention most of the adults aren't going to want to put the child in danger. At least the more sane ones.
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And that reasoning bloble is why I brought Taiga in as a character. So Kiyoshi would have someone to pay attention to him when the grown ups aren't. Taiga to clarify is not a bitch, she emulating her mum. Saber is as we all know no nonsense when it comes to training so yeah Taiga comes off as mean but she's just trying to help Kiyo be the best hero he can be.
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And that reasoning bloble is why I brought Taiga in as a character. So Kiyoshi would have someone to pay attention to him when the grown ups aren't. Taiga to clarify is not a bitch, she emulating her mum. Saber is as we all know no nonsense when it comes to training so yeah Taiga comes off as mean but she's just trying to help Kiyo be the best hero he can be.
...You mean your version of Saber is a bitch?
This explains far far too much.
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Well Kiyoshi's just a ten year old kid, right? It wouldn't be out of character for him to get ignored by adults whenever it's time for serious business.
Perhaps, but he's not a ten-year-old kid who is just going to stand around doing nothing. I can understand them ignoring him in the second part, but Archer was involving him and then suddenly Lawrence showed up and they just forgot Kioyshi existed....
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...You mean your version of Saber is a bitch?
Please don't stake me Saber fans, but she kind of is a bitch. Yes yes, hard life, blah blah blah, but she can come off as a bitch at times.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with this.
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I feel triggered. I'm going to rant about your Non-Saber-Fan privileges on my tumblr.
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Rin is superior heroine.
Not to mention, she does the most to help Shirou through all three routes.
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I will admit that Rin is definitely the broest, but my heart will always belong to Seiba.
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I will admit that Rin is definitely the broest, but my heart will always belong to Seiba.
Now I loved the shit out of Saber in Zero.
I just really can't picture her and Shirou together for the long term I guess. Diramuid x Saber though? Full ship ahead.
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Rin is superior heroine.
Yeah, but Sakura is the most superior heroine :P
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Rin is superior heroine.
Yeah, but Sakura is the most superior heroine :P
Noh.
Rin>Saber>Sakura>Ilya
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Noh.
Rin>Saber>Sakura>Ilya
*Brofist*
Even though mine would probably be Rin>Ilya>Saber=Sakura
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Noh.
Rin>Saber>Sakura>Ilya
*Brofist*
Even though mine would probably be Rin>Ilya>Saber=Sakura
While Saber CAN be a bitch, I prefer her over Sakura because she's actually relevant in every route. Ilya, while I like her as a character, goes on the bottom because she's a Loli, and therefore disqualified.
This entire argument as moot though as the remakes Ayako and Tiger routes will blow everyone out of the water.
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Noh.
Rin>Saber>Sakura>Ilya
*Brofist*
Even though mine would probably be Rin>Ilya>Saber=Sakura
What? Why the hell does Ilya come above Sakura, and you even think Saber is on her level? Ilya is basically a child....
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Noh.
Rin>Saber>Sakura>Ilya
*Brofist*
Even though mine would probably be Rin>Ilya>Saber=Sakura
What? Why the hell does Ilya come above Sakura, and you even think Saber is on her level? Ilya is basically a child....
Face it. Sakura worst heroine, Rin best heroine.
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Yeah, I think you've got your words mixed-up....
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No, they're exactly what I think.
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SHOTS FIRED
(Saber>Rin>Illya>Taiga>Sakura>Ayako>Shinji's Stool>Archerko)
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No, they're exactly what I think.
Yeah, I guess some people are just deluded....
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SHOTS FIRED
(Saber>Rin>Illya>Taiga>Sakura>Ayako>Shinji's Stool>Archerko)
>Ayako below Sakura
Nigga what the fuck you smokin?
Yeah, I guess some people are just deluded....
How do you like disagreeing with the majority of the fanbase. Your waifu is an erotic black hole.
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How do you like disagreeing with the majority of the fanbase.
I've been disagreeing with the majority of the fanbase since the moment I joined it. The majority is certainly not always right....
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Keep lying to yourself about that.
Anyway, when are you going to post, we're waiting on you.
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Keep lying to yourself about that.
What I said is trivially true. Being in the majority doesn't make you right.
Anyway, when are you going to post, we're waiting on you.
Soon, I'm working on it now.
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*Facepalm*
Lantz, what did we say about skipping ahead? I can assure you that about 90% of the characters are going to want to have words with Connor about protecting All the Evils of the World.
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In the interest of keeping characters active the scene with Rider and Satoshi will be linked to rather than waited on
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He's coming back down stairs in a minute Arch, he's just putting the half dead girl to bed like the landlady asked
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I think Arch still has a valid point, you basically made two posts in a row there (if you exclude the stuff happening outside the compound).
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Exactly - you basically just went "LOL GOING AND DOING MY OWN STUFF," and Mike's still got to post.
Anyway, now that Satoshi and Rider are FINALLY DONE HAVING SEX, we can interact with the castle. Time for fun.
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Connor was halfway up the stairs and Angra is still the center of attention doing an impression of burning man. Further before he gets Sakura back to bed they wouldn't get a reply no matter who asked what
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Not getting a reply is fine. They still get to act as they logically would. By having Connor just go upstairs straight away you don't give them the option of doing so.
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Whatever edited
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Thank you.
Now I'll get to finishing my post....
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And Raul gets to do something. Yay!
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I am also hoping for serveral other characters [NOT AxeCop!] to notice Joe hiding in the broom closet and/or Shuya struggling and failing not laughing at Joe.
Honestly I think I may have created a scene you'd never see again. Daiki describes the scene quite nicely
Shuya had tried to keep a neutral expression for few seconds. It failed horribly. The sight of an Hulk attempting a stealth retreat in order to hide his voluminous build into a broom closet was too much.
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Please delete your post Arch, I need Mike to reply first so I can notice the banging proper, in addition the knights are not pre programmed, they act like people
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Hmm, yeah, it would probably be easier to let Rider say something to Satoshi first.
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Please delete your post Arch, I need Mike to reply first so I can notice the banging proper, in addition the knights are not pre programmed, they act like people
You've never done shit with them so I have no fucking clue how they act. You also stated something about magical programming, so I'm working from what you've said in the RP. Not my fault you're not more descriptive.
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Well, he's described them now, so you should change it accordingly....
Anyway, you should really wait for Rider, you're skipping out my characters again.
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Since we are linking from the scene rather than transitioning from it I ask again that you delete the post Arch so I can properly describe the area and react to the disturbance in order, inferno cop was banging before you dived and that is the first sign so logically Satoshi would react before you attack and be outside and Raul would see him
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Unless Rider can teleport through walls, she ain't exactly in a position to do anything about a Demon in freefall.
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Yes, but she can talk to Satoshi, which was the intention.
I think Lantz is right here, you should leave us to set it up and react to your characters. We've just transitioned out of a scene, we need a post or two to get ourselves sorted.
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Yes, but she can talk to Satoshi, which was the intention.
I think Lantz is right here, you should leave us to set it up and react to your characters. We've just transitioned out of a scene, we need a post or two to get ourselves sorted.
Then Edit your last post to do that then.
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Yeah, I was getting Kiyoshi's bit done first, so you guys could get on with that. I'm working on Rider's post now, I'll either edit it in or post it seperately depending on whether anyone else responds to Kiyoshi first.
Also, I think Lantz intends to give a description of the castle in his next post, so it might be a good idea for you to wait for that.
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Yeah, I was getting Kiyoshi's bit done first, so you guys could get on with that. I'm working on Rider's post now, I'll either edit it in or post it seperately depending on whether anyone else responds to Kiyoshi first.
Also, I think Lantz intends to give a description of the castle in his next post, so it might be a good idea for you to wait for that.
He already did in the Sign Up thread... after fucking getting hounded about it. All he said was there was - Walls, Gates, Main Building, Large Empty Courtyard Because Fuck You For Wanting To Have Fun.
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He already did in the Sign Up thread... after fucking getting hounded about it. All he said was there was - Walls, Gates, Main Building, Large Empty Courtyard Because Fuck You For Wanting To Have Fun.
I think he meant, that Lantz was gonna describe more of the castle as in it has changed and has evolved further. Think of it like the Castle will Level Up when Lantz describes it next time
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All things considered, he's not doing that because this is Lantz, he doesn't describe shit.
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What? Why the hell does Ilya come above Sakura, and you even think Saber is on her level? Ilya is basically a child....
Because I like Ilya's character more than Saber and Sakura's most of the time. I don't want a romance with her, but I do like her character.
Also, it's my prerogative to like Saber and Sakura pretty much the same. They both have aspects of their character that I like and aspects that I dislike. Now I will admit that I prefer Zero Saber far beyond her FSN counter part. However, if I was going to pair anyone with Shirou, I think Sakura's the best suited for it.
Also, how many authors try to do things with Sakura that have her come to grips with her past or characterize her to where she's more than a girl who loves Shirou or a victim to feel sorry for? That alone should speak volumes that I do actually like the character- I just have others I like more than her. Like Rin, or Archer, or Lancer.
However, if we're going FSN females I'd rank . . .
Rin>Ayako>Rider>Ilya>Sakura=Saber>Caster>>>>>Fuji-nee.
Now going past from defending your Wifeu, are there any characters that people would like to see in the RP?
Personally I'd love see Vampire Hunter D, Dean Winchester, Spike (because I'm about two minutes from drafting up Angel), and honestly, I would actually like to see Saber in the RP. Not Saber Alter, but actual Saber.
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Because I like Ilya's character more than Saber and Sakura's most of the time. I don't want a romance with her, but I do like her character.
Well, I thought you meant as a heroine, which implied romance to me, hence why I thought it was rather odd....
Also, it's my prerogative to like Saber and Sakura pretty much the same. They both have aspects of their character that I like and aspects that I dislike. Now I will admit that I prefer Zero Saber far beyond her FSN counter part. However, if I was going to pair anyone with Shirou, I think Sakura's the best suited for it.
Ah, OK.
I thought you didn't like Saber, though....
Also, how many authors try to do things with Sakura that have her come to grips with her past or characterize her to where she's more than a girl who loves Shirou or a victim to feel sorry for? That alone should speak volumes that I do actually like the character- I just have others I like more than her. Like Rin, or Archer, or Lancer.
Well, yeah, fair enough.
Now going past from defending your Wifeu, are there any characters that people would like to see in the RP?
Personally I'd love see Vampire Hunter D, Dean Winchester, Spike (because I'm about two minutes from drafting up Angel), and honestly, I would actually like to see Saber in the RP. Not Saber Alter, but actual Saber.
Hmm, I dunno really. Most of the characters I'm interested in I'm already playing.
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Basically Mord.
as for Saber well given the trend I'd prefer she not show up.
and Saber is not a bitch, she's just very to the point, do the job and get it done right the first time.
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as for Saber well given the trend I'd prefer she not show up.
What?
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as for Saber well given the trend I'd prefer she not show up.
We do have a user called Saber, so be careful or they might join up as Saber
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Now going past from defending your Wifeu, are there any characters that people would like to see in the RP?
You know, since we brought up the normal cops thing:
Karin Murphy.
What this RP severely lacks is completely normal human casuals with guns who somehow hold their own. Unless I'm missing something, that is.
And since she's a cop, all the better. Inferno Cop gets along well pretty well okay he's not awful when dealing with other cops, unless they're about to illegally watch anime. We could finalize the cop teamup with our first and only fully casual member!
But I don't trust myself with RPing her, so I'm not making that sheet.
get it done right the first time.
Because getting it done right=Kingdom ravaged by civil war and left in shambles after death
Nah, Saber didn't do it right. But she did the best as humanely possible, and that's worth something.
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I've been considering bringing in Saber and some human character for a while now actually.
EDIT: Also, Mike, stiiiiillll waaaaaaiiiiittttiiiiinnnnng
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I still think we need a few more Comic Book related characters like Wolverine, Rorschach, Spider-Man, Hellboy, Punisher, Ghost Rider or even Green Arrow
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Ghost Rider would be hilarious purely for the moment when he meets Inferno Cop.
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EDIT: Also, Mike, stiiiiillll waaaaaaiiiiittttiiiiinnnnng
Yeah, I know, sorry. Still working on Rider's post.
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Ghost Rider would be hilarious purely for the moment when he meets Doomrider.
Fixed that for you.
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Ghost Rider would be hilarious purely for the moment when he meets Inferno Cop and Doomrider.
Fixed that for you.
And for you as well.
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Flaming skulls seminar.
With a sideshow of leather and chains.
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We could do without Wolverine, methinks. That guy's overexposed as it is. No need to have him show up in roleplays too. Besides, Marvel is just too silly for me.
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We could do without Wolverine, methinks. That guy's overexposed as it is. No need to have him show up in roleplays too. Besides, Marvel is just too silly for me.
If you think you could pull it off you could use Dark Horse Comics Hellboy; a demon with a love of cats, chocolate bars & cigars, who carries his adoptive father's rosary beads within always despite being a demon, who uses big ass gun and interacts with supernatural world on a daily basis.
Or
If you could pull out Rorschach from the Watchmen Universe, after all Mr. Manhattan did vanish him at the end so who is to say he can't reappear in Nexus City. Axe Cop and Rorschach would not get along, one is a lawman and the other is a vigilante that is willing to kill his prey if not cripple them.
Or
You could pluck either a Villain or Hero Character from the DC Universe.
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Karin Murphy.
Ooh! Yes, that would be fantastic actually. I do love Murph.
The only comic book character I would be remotely interested in bringing in would be Black Canary, but I know of other characters I'd rather play than her.
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I dunno what superheroes would be allowed, I mean ok Superman is out but does that mean Captain Marvel, Flash, Green lantern and so forth are as well? Same goes for marvel with dudes like Thor
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If you think you could pull it off you could use Dark Horse Comics Hellboy; a demon with a love of cats, chocolate bars & cigars, who carries his adoptive father's rosary beads within always despite being a demon, who uses big ass gun and interacts with supernatural world on a daily basis.
Or
If you could pull out Rorschach from the Watchmen Universe, after all Mr. Manhattan did vanish him at the end so who is to say he can't reappear in Nexus City. Axe Cop and Rorschach would not get along, one is a lawman and the other is a vigilante that is willing to kill his prey if not cripple them.
Or
You could pluck either a Villain or Hero Character from the DC Universe.
I've read some of Hellboy, and I'll admit that it's way better than 99% of today's cape comics. I've also done an entire thesis on Watchmen, and have no more interest in exploring it. DC is somehow even worse than Marvel barring some of the less mainstream stuff like Sandman.
I'm reading Transmetropolitan now, and I'm liking it so far.
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And Becky is outed! ...and now I need to update her sheet accordingly. ^_^" Now it's only Tom whose true identity is still in the dark.
As for characters I'd like to see? ...I'm not sure. ^_^" Maybe I'll think of some when my brain isn't complete mush. I do agree some more Badass Normals would be cool though. Too many OP people running around right now.
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Alice Angra is still alive, next time please actually read my post instead of assuming
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And Becky is outed! ...and now I need to update her sheet accordingly. ^_^" Now it's only Tom whose true identity is still in the dark.
As for characters I'd like to see? ...I'm not sure. ^_^" Maybe I'll think of some when my brain isn't complete mush. I do agree some more Badass Normals would be cool though. Too many OP people running around right now.
I think I might be bringing in the king of badass normal.
Alice Angra is still alive, next time please actually read my post instead of assuming
Fucking just roll with it Lantz.
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Alice Angra is still alive, next time please actually read my post instead of assuming
Well think about her point of view:
not!Angra Mainyu just turned into goop. Guessing leads to -> she's dead Jim
Doesn't mean she is, but she just thinks she is.
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After the attitude I got the last few days I'm not inclined to. Alice you don't have to edit I'll just have Angra pull a Jason
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Well think about her point of view:
not!Angra Mainyu just turned into goop. Guessing leads to -> she's dead Jim
Doesn't mean she is, but she just thinks she is.
Pretty much that, exactly. ...Plus that's about what I assumed out of character too, plus I was taking into account other people's posts which assume the same thing. ^_^"
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To steal a quote from the CE: AaC Thread in the Secret Garden
Gabriel: Well, I like women with curves and I prefer blonds and redheads. I'm not the biggest fan of brunettes. I also love long, tumbled hair, and there is nothing sexier than a woman with "bed head". I also enjoy making a woman feel special and well pleasured. I can admit a man is attractive, but my favor will always go to a lady.
I can already predict that Gabriel will find Seras very attractive, I predict much flirting on Gabriel's side and possibly some laughter from Forest
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Psssst. Nachos - it's your cue to go upstairs and fuck Law's brains out.
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Why are there no women (or Abraham Lincolns) who are attracted to rugged, no-nonsense men with moustaches and a passion for making the world a safer place? It's a tragedy, I say.
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Ok Alice, well she's announced herself disproving their thought that it was over
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I should get law high more often, this is far too fun to write.
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Admittedly that was rather fun to see Driver be the more down to earth of the pair
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I should get law high more often, this is far too fun to write.
I admit, I got a good chuckle out of Law being high.
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If you think about it, not!angra popping right back up after running away from a coke bottle isn't going to be threatening, no matter how many threats you make her throw out.
Seriously, if a character farted, picked their nose and said "make your mind up" phlegmatically in response, it wouldn't make me suspend my disbelief.
But wait, didn't Forest already throw the remains down the drain or something? Where is she reforming herself from, the one drop forest missed?
FEAR ME, I AM THE INCH-HIGH ANGRY MANJEW
Yeah, I'm going to have Ran run up there now. Ran and high-as-fuck Law should be interesting.
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Well, she was melting . . . Forest isn't going to allow evil remains on her floor even if the bitch is still alive or not.
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She isn't reforming, she's just not quite gone yet
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She isn't reforming, she's just not quite gone yet
So she's in the sink and on fire while this is happening. Oh god this is hilarious.
Best villain ever.
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I am pleased to say that my sixth character has been posted and its not Red, its a Rider. A Straw Hat wearing Rider
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Most easily made fun of villain, at least.
"Guys let me out of the sink, I'm trying to be threatening."
"You are very threatening where you are, dear. Your words give me quite the SINKING feeling!"
I slay me.
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I am pleased to say that my sixth character has been posted and its not Red, its a Rider. A Straw Hat wearing Rider
Will of D didn't really do much in Marineford.
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Most easily made fun of villain, at least.
"Guys let me out of the sink, I'm trying to be threatening."
"You are very threatening where you are, dear. Your words give me quite the SINKING feeling!"
I slay me.
I know. Almost as funny as having her in a flask, so Lawrence can shake her around like a rag doll when he gets tense.
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She's not in the sink, she's standing just to be clear so nobody gets confused
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Forest threw her in the sink like, ten posts ago. So if she's standing, she's standing in the sink.
Which Adds to her image as a joke of a villain. An excellent joke, mind you.
EDIT: LAWRENCE IT'S TIME
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Forest threw her in the sink like, ten posts ago. So if she's standing, she's standing in the sink.
Which Adds to her image as a joke of a villain. An excellent joke, mind you.
EDIT: LAWRENCE IT'S TIME
Might not be yet, but I'll edit my post.
Also, Lantz - do you want Connor to die horribly? Because that's the way this is going.
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Might not be yet, but I'll edit my post.
Well yeah, you still have to sort out Axe Cop and his annoying laws, and I still have to bang Ran's head against the wall and molest one or two of Alice's characters before the prophesied banging occurs.
But if Axe Cop takes you away and Ran has to bail you out, the banging will be all the more deserved after a hard day's work of trying to fight inter-dimensional monsters only to find out they were part of the cast of jersey shore(a douche) all along. An understandable mistake.
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I am pleased to say that my sixth character has been posted and its not Red, its a Rider. A Straw Hat wearing Rider
Will of D didn't really do much in Marineford.
Inexperience can be a bitch
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Her body is not in the sink, she's been in a chair the whole time until she stood up. Not that there's going to be anything left next post holy magic or not.
as always Arch it comes back to murder with you. Quite an over reaction for just a small bit of pay back that Connor is getting here.
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Well yeah, you still have to sort out Axe Cop and his annoying laws, and I still have to bang Ran's head against the wall and molest one or two of Alice's characters before the prophesied banging occurs.
But if Axe Cop takes you away and Ran has to bail you out, the banging will be all the more deserved after a hard day's work of trying to fight inter-dimensional monsters only to find out they were part of the cast of jersey shore(a douche) all along. An understandable mistake.
Obviously.
But the prophecy of the hot dickings must be fulfilled. It is destiny, that two dimension hoppers, both scarred and slightly crazy, shall fuck thy brains of one another out in a single night of passion that the two will then never talk about ever.
Her body is not in the sink, she's been in a chair the whole time until she stood up. Not that there's going to be anything left next post holy magic or not.
as always Arch it comes back to murder with you. Quite an over reaction for just a small bit of pay back that Connor is getting here.
Oh, it might not be murder. He'll end up killing himself due to the utter hell Law will make his life become.
Pissing off a Sin-Eater is often a one way ticket to bad shit happening to you. Their morality means that murder is totally acceptable, if justified. They also like rum, the drinkthe dead like best.
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Her body is not in the sink, she's been in a chair the whole time until she stood up. Not that there's going to be anything left next post holy magic or not.
Funny that Forest chucked her in the sink ages ago and none of your subsequent RP posts disprove this, including the latest one as Angra Notmainyu. No crawling out or nothing.
Everything that matters points at her being in the sink. She has been giving a totally nonthreatening monologue from the sink, dude.
Just give that a moment to SINK in.
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No, Forest only threw the leaky parts that were on the floor into the sink and had Lancer burn them.
I'm sure there was still some solid stuff in the chair.
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So she cleaned up the slimy parts, but left the biggest, muddiest chunk in the chair?
She must hate that chair.
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So she cleaned up the slimy parts, but left the biggest, muddiest chunk in the chair?
She must hate that chair.
It killed her parents in a past life.
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THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR
THIS CHAIR IS AN EYESORE
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THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR
THIS CHAIR IS AN EYESORE
So right.
Gonna react to Lawrence pointing out that Sakura tried to kill him first (Though not really but from what he could tell that was the case) and swearing up another storm Bloble?
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Oh god this is becoming hilarious.
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Sure. He's now added an interrogation to the list since the circumstances are ambiguous. He'll get the full story out of Lawrence once they're at the station using his super truth telling lie detecting powers. Oh, and the girl's coming too since he recognizes her.
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Hey Mord, are you sure Luffy would be a good fit for this RP?
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Hey Mord, are you sure Luffy would be a good fit for this RP?
He won't be appearing till my seventh character (Red) is finished, Red summoned Luffy as an independant Servant and as such he won't appear until Red is posted. So no need to worry about Luffy yet, but when he does arrive and if he and Red stay at Forest's apartment......well lancer will get a few new opponents and Rin may just meet Nami. The Penny Pincher Magus and The Thieving Pickpocket Pirate, Wallets and purses beware!
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Hmm, sorry about not getting Rider's post done last night, but my internet died on me just as I finished it.
Still, I would appreciate it if you guys would stop acting like Kiyoshi doesn't exist all the damn time. Just because I'm on a different timezone to you guys it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the chance to respond to things. You're making it bloody impossible for me to actually post, and then I get complained at when I don't get a post done quickly because I have so much crap to deal with due to you guys ignoring me.
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Hmm, sorry about not getting Rider's post done last night, but my internet died on me just as I finished it.
Still, I would appreciate it if you guys would stop acting like Kiyoshi doesn't exist all the damn time. Just because I'm on a different timezone to you guys it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the chance to respond to things. You're making it bloody impossible for me to actually post, and then I get complained at when I don't get a post done quickly because I have so much crap to deal with due to you guys ignoring me.
In the case of the cop, you getting ignored isn't that much of a surprise honestly.
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>Not letting Rider get off
Dick move Satoshi.
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Hmm, sorry about not getting Rider's post done last night, but my internet died on me just as I finished it.
Still, I would appreciate it if you guys would stop acting like Kiyoshi doesn't exist all the damn time. Just because I'm on a different timezone to you guys it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the chance to respond to things. You're making it bloody impossible for me to actually post, and then I get complained at when I don't get a post done quickly because I have so much crap to deal with due to you guys ignoring me.
In the case of the cop, you getting ignored isn't that much of a surprise honestly.
Well, it's just everyone, really.
Also, remember that Kiyoshi is quite volatile. It's entirely possible he'll respond to something Axe Cop does (especially if it involves trying to arrest his family) with swords.
>Not letting Rider get off
Dick move Satoshi.
Well, he did let her get off eventually, but he was pretty dickish at that particular point, yes.
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Well, it's just everyone, really.
Also, remember that Kiyoshi is quite volatile. It's entirely possible he'll respond to something Axe Cop does (especially if it involves trying to arrest his family) with swords.
Which is both not happening at the moment, and irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Well, he did let her get off eventually, but he was pretty dickish at that particular point, yes.
Somehow I'm not surprised by this.
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Well, it's just everyone, really.
Also, remember that Kiyoshi is quite volatile. It's entirely possible he'll respond to something Axe Cop does (especially if it involves trying to arrest his family) with swords.
Which is both not happening at the moment, and irrelevant to the matter at hand.
My point is that I'd appreciate not being ignored....
Well, he did let her get off eventually, but he was pretty dickish at that particular point, yes.
Somehow I'm not surprised by this.
Well, he is Dark, so it's not exactly a massive surprise, no....
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Who will have the honor of pushing Ran over the edge?
race 4 it
Because she did just leave and head to her office, rite? and someone who's about to be arrested doesn't really get a "wait a sec" first.
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Who will have the honor of pushing Ran over the edge?
race 4 it
Because she did just leave and head to her office, rite? and someone who's about to be arrested doesn't really get a "wait a sec" first.
DIBS DIBS DIBS
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Yes, let us make the high man on the edge of passing out deliver the news. You DID call dibs, after all.
If you put in a bit about fortune-telling of some kind, or psychics, it will be especially gud.
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Posted. Let the headbanging begin.
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My god Law on a bender is just hilarious.
Poor Ran, how will she react?
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Poorly.
Completely random question: the door frame to that room, wood or metal?
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Metal.
You'll find little wood in Forest's compound for obvious reasons.
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Oi! Arch, Seras is still kinda waiting on Jack's reply to her introduction and the sheer number of hints she dropped about her origins
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Yes, Ran is just standing there with her head in a wall, looney tunes style.
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Oi! Arch, Seras is still kinda waiting on Jack's reply to her introduction and the sheer number of hints she dropped about her origins
OH SHIT SON I FORGOT.
Also, Dracula in nWoD is actually really famous among vampires - he created the Coils of the Dragon, founded the covenant that would become the Ordo Dracul, and according to legend is also clanless - a fucking miracle. Only Longinus can possibly claim the same, and he didn't discover Theben Sorcery - hell he might not even have existed for very long. Dracula on the other hand is a documented kindred with three confirmed childe.
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Bloble? Man?
Ran is woman. You know, kitchens and frills and whatnot.
EDIT: And you'd already told her she'd have to go with you.
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I thought that was another guy. Editing.
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The castle will be described as he travels through it, he hasn't left the bedroom yet. Just a point to preempt complaints about it
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The castle will be described as he travels through it, he hasn't left the bedroom yet. Just a point to preempt complaints about it
Then hurry up and post that shit man because we're still fucking waiting.
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Hmm, I seem to have got Rin's (and, by extension, Kiyoshi's) eye colour mixed up. He should have the same natural eye colour as Rebecca/Ryoko, since he inherited it from his mother, but when Alice shows me pictures of Rin her eyes look green to me, whereas Alice says they're blue (and is probably right...).
So, the two of them should have the same eye colour, but they're described differently, so I'm not sure what to do there....
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Rider has to reply before he leaves
Rin's eyes are Aquamarine, it's a mixture between green and blue
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Good point, get on it mike. Not his dick please, but on the reply.
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Okay, unless there's any protest, we're going to the station. If there is, now's the time to say it.
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Okay, unless there's any protest, we're going to the station. If there is, now's the time to say it.
High Law can't really argue at the moment. Because this is AMERICA.
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Ran pretty much agreed to it last post.
TO THE STATION WITH US
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Hmm, I seem to have got Rin's (and, by extension, Kiyoshi's) eye colour mixed up. He should have the same natural eye colour as Rebecca/Ryoko, since he inherited it from his mother, but when Alice shows me pictures of Rin her eyes look green to me, whereas Alice says they're blue (and is probably right...).
So, the two of them should have the same eye colour, but they're described differently, so I'm not sure what to do there....
In the pictures I showed you her eyes are blue. :P About an eggshell blue to be precise, comparing her eyes to the color boxes on Wikipedia for all the shades of cyan, which is a greenish blue, but that's getting into semantics.
And either just edit the color in the respective posts or just let it slide and just remember to write it as "blue" in the future. :)
As for taking people down to the station, there's no immediate objections I can think of right now, so I think that's good to go.
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Good point, get on it mike. Not his dick please, but on the reply.
Yeah, although I dunno if I'll have time to get it done tonight.
Hmm, I seem to have got Rin's (and, by extension, Kiyoshi's) eye colour mixed up. He should have the same natural eye colour as Rebecca/Ryoko, since he inherited it from his mother, but when Alice shows me pictures of Rin her eyes look green to me, whereas Alice says they're blue (and is probably right...).
So, the two of them should have the same eye colour, but they're described differently, so I'm not sure what to do there....
In the pictures I showed you her eyes are blue. :P About an eggshell blue to be precise, comparing her eyes to the color boxes on Wikipedia for all the shades of cyan, which is a greenish blue, but that's getting into semantics.
And either just edit the color in the respective posts or just let it slide and just remember to write it as "blue" in the future. :)
Cyan isn't blue, it's midway between green and blue... :P
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Hey Lantz, just for a comedic effect, why don't I have Inferno Cop kick in the door once Satoshi gets close enough to it? You know, just for comedy and for the purpose of messing with Satoshi's mental comfort zone. Because you know, conversations with Inferno Cop shouldn't be any kind of comfortable or sensible unless you're on the same mental level as him.
Which Satoshi isn't.
This:
Wait a minute the spirit of vengeance doesn't knock.
Gave me the idea.
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Raul still needs to get his murder on.
Also, Lawrence is the master of gentelmanshiply ways.
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OK, it looks like I won't be posting with Kiyoshi tonight either. I can't see any way to react to what happened without him getting upset at Ryoko, and Alice is complaining at me about punishing her for what happened, so I'm completely stuck with his post.
I honestly can't see what to do with him at all from here, because I can't think of any IC way of reacting that doesn't involve getting annoyed from being constantly ignored. And, frankly, I don't see why I should be penalised for other people not waiting for me to post.
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OK, it looks like I won't be posting with Kiyoshi tonight either. I can't see any way to react to what happened without him getting upset at Ryoko, and Alice is complaining at me about punishing her for what happened, so I'm completely stuck with his post.
I honestly can't see what to do with him at all from here, because I can't think of any IC way of reacting that doesn't involve getting annoyed from being constantly ignored. And, frankly, I don't see why I should be penalised for other people not waiting for me to post.
Then get upset at Ryoko. No big deal Mike, and he's 11, being ignored is his default state.
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Yeah, but Alice is getting upset about it, because it makes her character come out bad, and rather OOC.
Also, given the situation being ignored is not normal and, additionally, he's not used to it at all. His parents don't ignore him much if ever.
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Yeah, but Alice is getting upset about it, because it makes her character come out bad, and rather OOC.
Also, given the situation being ignored is not normal and, additionally, he's not used to it at all. His parents don't ignore him much if ever.
Then he'd better get used to it. I got ignored when the Adults were talking until I was like 17.
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Well, that's not how Sakura and Shirou work, they don't treat their kids like shit. It's also not something that I'm used to happening, either, certainly not to the extent you're claiming.
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Well, that's not how Sakura and Shirou work, they don't treat their kids like shit. It's also not something that I'm used to happening, either, certainly not to the extent you're claiming.
It's more that there's some things that kids that young simply just don't get explained, rather than treating him like shit. There's certain matters, and other things kids simply don't have the experience to weigh in on.
In all honesty I mistyped, it was more like 16. Really, its less ignored, and more "We're simply not discussing this around you," and in all honesty, I think that's a decent policy.
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That's fine Mike, but you have to understand that a not insignificant number of adults don't really hold what a child says to be of importance, and generally find them uninteresting and will usually stick to saying hello and smiling before going back to their conversation. Axe Cop in particular doesn't really like kids (barring his numerous moods) and doesn't talk to them often. A kid not being the center of an adult's attention isn't strange, unless those adults happen to be related to him.
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Well, that's not how Sakura and Shirou work, they don't treat their kids like shit. It's also not something that I'm used to happening, either, certainly not to the extent you're claiming.
It's more that there's some things that kids that young simply just don't get explained, rather than treating him like shit. There's certain matters, and other things kids simply don't have the experience to weigh in on.
In all honesty I mistyped, it was more like 16. Really, its less ignored, and more "We're simply not discussing this around you," and in all honesty, I think that's a decent policy.
Well, yeah, there are some things which you wouldn't really want to discuss around kids, but in general I don't think treating them as if they don't exist just because they're younger is a good policy at all.
That's fine Mike, but you have to understand that a not insignificant number of adults don't really hold what a child says to be of importance, and generally find them uninteresting and will usually stick to saying hello and smiling before going back to their conversation. Axe Cop in particular doesn't really like kids (barring his numerous moods) and doesn't talk to them often. A kid not being the center of an adult's attention isn't strange, unless those adults happen to be related to him.
Well, that's their decision, but he's not likely to be overly fond of them in return. Although I suspect Kiyoshi isn't going to like Axe Cop much anyway, because by his logic pretty much the entirety of Kiyoshi's family would be in prison by now....
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Well, yeah, there are some things which you wouldn't really want to discuss around kids, but in general I don't think treating them as if they don't exist just because they're younger is a good policy at all.
No, this is a 'This matter isn't for the kiddies' attitude. Which is one that in this situation applies.
Mike, when you chose an 11 year old as a PC you had to expect this.
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Well, yeah, there are some things which you wouldn't really want to discuss around kids, but in general I don't think treating them as if they don't exist just because they're younger is a good policy at all.
No, this is a 'This matter isn't for the kiddies' attitude. Which is one that in this situation applies.
Mike, when you chose an 11 year old as a PC you had to expect this.
Well, sure, but that doesn't mean Kiyoshi will like it.
Also, whilst that might make sense in plenty of cases, this isn't really one of them....
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Actually considering the entire situation is basically resolved, no thanks to Satoshi, it's not surprising that he's being ignored.
Sorry Mike, shit like this happens.
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The thing is that it only got resolved with him being ignored because none of you guys let me post. It is fine for you to take no notice of something he says, but not to not even let me have a chance to say it, because he might act in a manner that forces a response.
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Not my fault you're so anal about your posts man. That slows your shit down already, time zones or not.
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It does, but that is not the problem here. The majority of the posts happened when I was either in bed or at work, I could not possibly have replied to them. And, then, by the time I did get a chance to reply there was so much to reply to that I simply can't reply quickly.
If the posts had stopped when everyone had only done one post each like they are meant to, I would have replied to Alice, ignored most of the rest and been done in about an hour, if that. But, because of all the stuff following it I'm finding it really hard to post.
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Well, you can ignore most of the other posts. How else is someone supposed to react to an unwell-dressed samurai after she rams her head in the wall to sulk, other than with awkward and weird silence because they don't know that person?
Well, that and "what the fuck."
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Kusagari has shown himself to the jailees and is going to be moving one of them to their own cell which is right beside the one they are already in, he also flashed them his .357 Longarm Pistol and the Sora Katana as show of what is packing on him.
I am doing this as a means of gaining Ran's attention after all Kusagari is a skilled swordsman as well as a gunman, so who's to say she wouldn't be interested in a spar with Kusagari plus Lawrence would be able to have a glance at Kusagari's soul as well but remember Kusagari is the last of an entire clan and he carries the burden of being the last Kusagari with him always.
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Ran fought monsters with swords, not people. She did so for two full years with only a single human opponent.
So basically, I'm to say she isn't interested in comparing swordsmanship and sparring with other people.
Sorry dude, maybe next swordy character.
Edit: And staying in the same cell was part of the deal we had with Axe Cop, dude. U makin me cry
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Kusagari doesn't know this, if he did. I'd have him bring a mattress from another cell in their cell
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But that would remove the awkwardness of someone bringing up sleeping in the same bed cuddled incredibly close to each other as to fit on the one-man cot!
Damn it Kusagari, you ruin everything.
(this is a joke)
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Inferno cop doesn't strike me as the type with enough strength to kick in a large set of steel doors barred from the inside. That aside the bar would keep them in place.
As for Raul there's no one for him to murder
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Well, being a god can affect his actions subconsciously, you know. Completely believing that a course of action would unfold in the way he sees it happening would rewrite reality into making such a thing possible if he were to try it, while he still isn't using his god powers on command.
Which is the technical explanation, which ruins the magic.
But come on, a little impossibility would be fun. It probably wouldn't even take that much time to fix considering how fast you're building the castle, so just let me wreck a tiny bit of it.
Though technically, I don't really need your permission. I'm just being polite.
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I wasn't objecting, I was explaining so that you'd be aware of what exactly you'd be affecting
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Or maybe Lantz you can calmly just shut the hell up and stop telliing people what to do all the time.
Kusagari has shown himself to the jailees and is going to be moving one of them to their own cell which is right beside the one they are already in, he also flashed them his .357 Longarm Pistol and the Sora Katana as show of what is packing on him.
I am doing this as a means of gaining Ran's attention after all Kusagari is a skilled swordsman as well as a gunman, so who's to say she wouldn't be interested in a spar with Kusagari plus Lawrence would be able to have a glance at Kusagari's soul as well but remember Kusagari is the last of an entire clan and he carries the burden of being the last Kusagari with him always.
Lawrence can't see souls. He can only see Ghosts and other entities of the Twilight. Neither can the Driver see souls for that matter.
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Hey Mike, while Kiyoshi's problem is going on why don't you just focus on updating Rider instead?
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Really Arch? Old Man Henderson? I don't think this RP is bad enough to deserve that guy.
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>Implying he's not a joke character.
Really, I just wanted to bring him in for shits and giggles. And you know there's certain areas that he's well within his abilities to destroy our cause unlimited havoc to.
Besides, it's hard to find a better Badass Normal than him.
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Hey Mike, while Kiyoshi's problem is going on why don't you just focus on updating Rider instead?
Because I was at work...?
That is what I intend to do. However, until I post as Kiyoshi everyone in the house (particularly Alice) is blocked, since if they post any more it's going to make things even more awkward. So, I need to get that resolved.
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That is what I intend to do. However, until I post as Kiyoshi everyone in the house (particularly Alice) is blocked, since if they post any more it's going to make things even more awkward. So, I need to get that resolved.
As to the first bit, didn't know that and didn't really think that applies, it was more a general question.
As to the second, just shrug your shoulders and post something.
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I can't post anything, because either I completely go OOC with Kiyoshi, which I'm not doing because it's not my damn fault I'm in that situation in the first place, or else I piss-off Alice. So, I'm completely stuck.
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I can't post anything, because either I completely go OOC with Kiyoshi, which I'm not doing because it's not my damn fault I'm in that situation in the first place, or else I piss-off Alice. So, I'm completely stuck.
Then piss off Alice Mike, just suck it up and deal with it. OR. Here's an idea - TALK WITH HER ABOUT IT AGAIN.
If he gets ignored again, so be it. Just make a fucking post, even if it's a little OOC.
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I can't post anything, because either I completely go OOC with Kiyoshi, which I'm not doing because it's not my damn fault I'm in that situation in the first place, or else I piss-off Alice. So, I'm completely stuck.
Then piss off Alice Mike, just suck it up and deal with it. OR. Here's an idea - TALK WITH HER ABOUT IT AGAIN.
Yeah, I am talking to her. And, trust me, pissing her off is not an option here....
If he gets ignored again, so be it. Just make a fucking post, even if it's a little OOC.
Honestly, I think I'm going to have to bring Sakura in here. It's the only real solution I can see. It means waiting a while for the post, though, although I will be posting with Rider.
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Honestly, I think I'm going to have to bring Sakura in here. It's the only real solution I can see. It means waiting a while for the post, though, although I will be posting with Rider.
Then just do it, you're holding shit up.
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Well, Rider's post will be done tonight, but bringing Sakura in won't be, unfortunately.
And, if you don't want to be held up then don't keep putting me in impossible positions. I am getting kind-of sick of everything in the RP happening whilst I'm in bed. It is not even remotely fun to play when I never get to react to anything because by the time I get to post everyone else has gone off and done everything theirselves and left me behind.
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Sorry guys, I'm feeling pretty out of it and I don't trust myself with quality RPing right now. I'll make an RP post in the morning, once I've gotten some rest.
And Lantz, I really hope Satoshi isn't standing in front of that door, because morning's first light will bring forth a dynamic entry of Infernal levels.
Also, as a reaction to Old Man Henderson:
(http://i.imgur.com/mAMOu.gif)
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Sorry guys, I'm feeling pretty out of it and I don't trust myself with quality RPing right now. I'll make an RP post in the morning, once I've gotten some rest.
And Lantz, I really hope Satoshi isn't standing in front of that door, because morning's first light will bring forth a dynamic entry of Infernal levels.
Also, as a reaction to Old Man Henderson:
(http://i.imgur.com/mAMOu.gif)
That image is pretty damn appropriate.
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There are three people outside the castle. Inferno cop, Satoshi and a single knight outside the courtyard at the main gate five feet from inferno cop. Raul cannot have seen the knights and how they act, further he cannot attack any of the other knights without alerting the rest.
side note I have no idea what you think Raul is clinging to
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There are three people outside the castle. Inferno cop, Satoshi and a single knight outside the courtyard at the main gate five feet from inferno cop. Raul cannot have seen the knights and how they act, further he cannot attack any of the other knights without alerting the rest.
side note I have no idea what you think Raul is clinging to
I'm not fucking psychic, you never gave a decent layout as to where the knights are. You also stated they were patrolling at the gates. Plural.
So yeah, that's staying where it is, because you haven't been clear about shit.
EDIT: AND HE'S CLINGING TO THE DAMN CASTLE YOU IDIOT.
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It's wrong, I'm correcting you. Simple as that. There are no knight outside save the single one I just mentioned
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It's wrong, I'm correcting you. Simple as that. There are no knight outside save the single one I just mentioned
Well excuse me for not being able to read your fucking mind when you've stated OTHER THINGS BEFORE IN THE RP AND ARE RETCONNING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.
FINE. I'LL EDIT IT. FUCK YOU. RAUL IS MURDERBOT EXTRAORDINAIRE.
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Patrolling yes. INSIDE the castle, not outside. That's your mistake, not a retcon.
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Once again, your fault for not being specific at all you fucking retonning little bitch.
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Old Man Henderson- APPROVED.
Still deciding on Monkey D. Luffy.
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Old Man Henderson- APPROVED.
Still deciding on Monkey D. Luffy.
ITS HAPPENING!
IT'S HAPPENING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9TYUr-Teo#)
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I'm gonna go ahead and post with Rin and Finn at least, since they're not involved.
Also, Magos, tone down the insults a bit.
And lantz, you're not always good at making stuff that clear, so you really shouldn't blame Magos for misunderstanding/not seeing what you're describing there.
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And lantz, you're not always good at making stuff that clear, so you really shouldn't blame Magos for misunderstanding/not seeing what you're describing there.
More like when he directly contradicts what he's posted in the RP beforehand.
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It's in mike's post Alice, he described it very clearly, if it were my post I admit you'd probably have a point
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It's in mike's post Alice, he described it very clearly, if it were my post I admit you'd probably have a point
...No, Mike never described that at all ever. He never described the castle at all. He never explained the details of it either, and considering how little info YOU, who is the one who SHOULD BE DESCRIBING THIS SHIT TO US is giving us, it isn't hard to see why I have no idea what this fucking castle is like.
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He did, when rider entered the castle Arch, that's when patrolling was mentioned.
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And I'll note that you didn't bitch at him to change that. At all. And you've mentioned patrolling the gates before.
When will you stop just being a total dick and admit you're just doing this to try and piss me off.
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No because he asked me for the details and I explained what the inside was like over Skype.
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...So there were patrols outside?
Oh my god you're confusing the fuck out of me here Lantz.
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No, inside
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Still confused as hell here because you said something about gates at one point and I am tired as fuck right now.
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The gate is what inferno cop is banging on. There's a single knight next to the gate which leads from the street to the courtyard
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The gate is what inferno cop is banging on. There's a single knight next to the gate which leads from the street to the courtyard
OK
Here's where you're confusing me.
-You mentioned earlier that '24 guards was not enough to cover all the gates' in the RP.
-Judging by how you described the castle, there's no way it can hold 10k knights
-Your descriptions now are blatantly at odds with your previous stuff and probably should be in the fucking RP to begin with rather than you needing to answer all of our questions.
This leads to many, many problems, namely because you never fucking described your castle until we insisted you do and when you did you asspulled the fuck out of everything.
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I never mentioned other gates. There's one. The way I described the castle it can fit the armor but not if the suits were assembled (as of now they have not been put together.) as for not describing the castle before you dropped your characters on me there was no natural point to describe it in full so I described it a bit at a time. There's no contradiction here.
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I never mentioned other gates. There's one. The way I described the castle it can fit the armor but not if the suits were assembled (as of now they have not been put together.) as for not describing the castle before you dropped your characters on me there was no natural point to describe it in full so I described it a bit at a time. There's no contradiction here.
*Facepalm*
OK. No. You did.
Satoshi finished the first part of his plan, ten thousand suits, they weren't much right then but he would awaken them with magic later, twenty four guards weren't enough to guard the gates, much less the compound.
Sakura walked along with Kiyoshi and then stopped. "Kiyo" she said "you told Taiga you were going to be a hero, didn't you?" she asked softly bending down so that Kiyoshi could be on as much of an even level as possible.
Quit lying. Quit lying about the scale, the size, the building, the castle. It's obviously bigger than you claim it to be, it's obviously got multiple gates, and it's obvious that if it WAS the size you're claiming it is that their are more than enough guards active at the moment for patrols of the perimeter.
Basically Lantz: quit retconning shit like a little no fun allowed prick.
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Arch, not explaining things properly is not "lying"....
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Arch, not explaining things properly is not "lying"....
...I just pointed out that the castle has multiple gates. He stated it doesn't.
Unless we're in magical fairy pixie dust topsyturvy world, that's lying. When he directly contradicts things he states in his RP posts here, that's fucking lying.
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Where does he say that?
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Where does he say that?
Satoshi finished the first part of his plan, ten thousand suits, they weren't much right then but he would awaken them with magic later, twenty four guards weren't enough to guard the gates, much less the compound.
Sakura walked along with Kiyoshi and then stopped. "Kiyo" she said "you told Taiga you were going to be a hero, didn't you?" she asked softly bending down so that Kiyoshi could be on as much of an even level as possible.
This directly contradicts
I never mentioned other gates. There's one. The way I described the castle it can fit the armor but not if the suits were assembled (as of now they have not been put together.) as for not describing the castle before you dropped your characters on me there was no natural point to describe it in full so I described it a bit at a time. There's no contradiction here.
And thus, Lantz is lying.
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Right, because there is no possible way that could just be a typo....
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Right, because there is no possible way that could just be a typo....
While it COULD be, I don't think it is. If lantz claims it's a typo, that still makes the 'Oh, only 24 guards aren't enough' thing reaaaally suspect. Especially considering these facts that lantz has stated -
A) Only one entrance to the compound
B) A large courtyard, easy enough for a couple guards
C) Only thirty fucking rooms in an apparently skyscraper sized castle.
So either Lantz cannot into scale, or Lantz is trying to bullshit things into going his way. I'm guessing the second.
There's also the fact that if that IS a typo, it's been there for over a month.
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I don't agree. From talking to him it's pretty obvious to me he only expected there to be one entrance.
Also, castle rooms are generally quite big....
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Context error, gates is not literal meaning but rather the Castle's defenses. It's poor wording on my part, it happens from time to time.
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Wow, more shit he didn't post in the ACTUAL FUCKING RP.
If that is true, then there is still the issue of scale, rooms, size of the building and all this other fucking shit.
Put short the castle is a freaking monument of bullshit that somehow slipped into this RP.
Context error, gates is not literal meaning but rather the Castle's defenses. It's poor wording on my part, it happens from time to time.
...Riiiiiiiight. Let's say I for the sake of argument accept this.
This still leaves the scale problems, size problems, ease of defense problems, and the fucking bullshit you've pulled multiple times with this building.
Since I don't accept this, you're lying out of your teeth and trying to cover your ass.
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Arch, you have no evidence that Lantz is lying. You are just assuming it because you can't believe he's capable of miscommunicating it, which, frankly, seems like a bizarre assumption given past evidence.
Despite what you might think, people don't always get things perfectly worked-out in their mind immediately, or articulate that perfectly first time around. I know my characters are still developing somewhat in my mind, because I have never written them before now. And, further, I also know that I overlook things that my character would remember, because they happened ICly a few hours ago but OOCly months ago.
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Arch, you have no evidence that Lantz is lying. You are just assuming it because you can't believe he's capable of miscommunicating it which frankly seems like a bizarre assumption given past evidence.
Despite what you might think, people don't always get things perfectly worked-out in their mind immediately, or articulate that perfectly first time around. I know my characters are still developing somewhat in my mind, because I have never written them before now. And, further, I also know that I overlook things that my character would remember, because they happened ICly a few hours ago but OOCly months ago.
Even in that case all this still applies, as this castle is a bullshit testiment to a single Sue, and there's no indication of miscommunication. I know that lantz can miscommunicate, I do it myself occasionally, but I can't believe in this case that miscommunication could lead to such blatant retcons, bullshit, asspulls and dickery. Oh, and Mary Sue wishfulfillment.
For that matter, Lantz's actions within the RP have been less than stellar, often glorious mary sue glory hogging attempts along with asspulls galore. He seems to give not a single fuck about any characters other than his own or their desires, then expects to be accommodated by the other players in having his characters be front in center in everything after IC'ly insulting them. This is the sort of behavior that kills RP's. The fact that his characters are pretty blatant fucking sues compounds this (I ran Satoshi through the Mary Sue limitus test, after reading all the rules, information, and everything I could on him. He scored a fucking 89. An 89. The sue threshold is roughly 50 points. There is no excuse for that, especially in a fanfiction character that acts the way he does. Satoshi is such a fucking blatant sue it actually slightly hurts.)
Lantz also refuses to take criticism for any of his actions, accept responsibility, act like a fucking adult, and considers any pointing out that his characters are horrible horrible people and sues to be an attack on him personally, even when it isn't.
Mike, I know you like Lantz because he stuck up for you on BL, but that's no indication of his being a quality writer of any fashion.
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Moving on, Mike post when you can, don't stress too much Angra can wait.
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Moving on, Mike post when you can, don't stress too much Angra can wait.
Oh no no no. We are NOT moving on until you fucking acknowledge all the bullshit you're throwing out, and how fucking blatantly Mary Sue your entire roster of Characters are.
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Arch, you can't force Lantz to agree with your assessment of his characters. If you decide not to RP with him I guess that's your choice, but I fully intend to continue as normal.
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Arch, you can't force Lantz to agree with your assessment of his characters. If you decide not to RP with him I guess that's your choice, but I fully intend to continue as normal.
Of course he won't agree, Dunning Kruger effect and all that psychological bullshit, but Mike - it'd be out of character for my characters not to interact with his, especially when there's a FUCKING CASTLE JUST SUMMONED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
As is Satoshi is beyond a fucking sue, he's a black hole of suedom that other sues aspire to become but can never reach. The very way lantz writes him just pisses me the fuck off.
And let's not get me started on Sakura, Uber-bitch.
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Anyways, Names go ahead and kick the door in, just remember it's two doors barred on the inside by a steel door bar.
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Arch, you can't force Lantz to agree with your assessment of his characters. If you decide not to RP with him I guess that's your choice, but I fully intend to continue as normal.
Of course he won't agree, Dunning Kruger effect and all that psychological bullshit, but Mike - it'd be out of character for my characters not to interact with his, especially when there's a FUCKING CASTLE JUST SUMMONED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
Then deal with it. You can't force Lantz to change his characters to suit your opinions.
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Then deal with it. You can't force Lantz to change his characters to suit your opinions.
Oh, this is how I deal with it, by pointing out what horrible fucking characters they are on nearly every level. Honestly, Mike, defending him on this point is not a smart thing to do. You're better than that Mike.
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You're being a dick to my friend, so it is absolutely right that I should defend him. I also don't actually agree with your assessment, hence why I am OK RPing with him.
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You're being a dick to my friend, so it is absolutely right that I should defend him. I also don't actually agree with your assessment, hence why I am OK RPing with him.
Congrats, you're missing the obvious. Slow clap for Mike everyone, he's missing the blatant fucking sue under his nose.
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Frankly, the Mary Sue Litmus test is just an excuse for people to try to force their idea of how fanfics should work (OCs are absent or unimportant) on everyone else. I couldn't care less if Toshi fails it, frankly, because it's a dumb test made based on one person's opinion.
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Mike stop, Arch's attempts at bullying, abuse and what clearly seems like an attempt to isolate my characters so I quit (yet another form of bullying) should not be replied to.
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Frankly, the Mary Sue Litmus test is just an excuse for people to try to force their idea of how fanfics should work (OCs are absent or unimportant) on everyone else. I couldn't care less if Toshi fails it, frankly, because it's a dumb test made based on one person's opinion.
It's not just the test. Let's run down the list shall we?
Subject of a prophecy? Check.
Kid of two canon characters who shouldn't be able to have a kid? Check.
Three bullshit swords? Check.
Always perfect and right apparently? Check again.
Looks 18 but actually 2000 years old through bullshit? Check.
Knows magic that is apparently from the Age of Gods? Check.
Surrounded by hot women that apparently want to jump his bones? Cheeeeck.
Immortal and invincible? Check.
Had a fucking pet lion? Check.
No actual relevant weaknesses in story that he can't just get over in five seconds? Check.
Apparently loved by everyone? Check.
Also a Dragon? Check.
Mike, do you want me to keep going on on this one, because I will. I fucking will.
Mike stop, Arch's attempts at bullying, abuse and what clearly seems like an attempt to isolate my characters so I quit (yet another form of bullying) should not be replied to.
No, I don't want you to quit, I want you to stop being so shitty at writing, RP'ing, and recognizing critique. A tall order considering how you usually are, but this seems to be the only way to actually get you to fucking listen at all.
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For that matter, the Mary Sue Limitus test isn't anti-OC. At all.
What it's against is shit like Satoshi, a blatantly suish character that's poorly written, far too overpowered for his universe, has a nonsensical backstory and origin, and is basically the worst thing to come out of the Nasuverse fandom since 'By the Root.'
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Sorry guys, I got called in for work. RP post later.
I guess SOME PEOPLE haven't been doing their own snow shoveling lists. The dickheads.
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That's ok names.
so as a shift from the character bashing occurring a page ago, does anyone have a long term goal for their characters?
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Not really, honestly. Or, rather, I do have long-term goals for some of them, but those are external to the RP and involve other stories I intend to write (I doubt the RP will be canon for them, it would confuse people too much).
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That's ok names.
so as a shift from the character bashing occurring a page ago, does anyone have a long term goal for their characters?
Acquire Lawn Gnomes
Disregard Sues.
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I understand mike. The RP I imagine is non canon for a lot of characters
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Yeah, given the plans I have for them in the future, Kiyoshi's likely character development in this and, even, just meeting everyone would affect the stuff I have planned for him.
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I think long term goals are dumb. If you enter an RP with the intent for your character to develop a certain way while disregarding all the other possible developments, you're not really RPing at all. The whole point of a roleplay is your character reacting to a world that you, the author, can't control, and creating something new using that. I entered this RP with no future goals except to keep my character as IC as possible throughout the entire thing.
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I think long term goals are dumb. If you enter an RP with the intent for your character to develop a certain way while disregarding all the other possible developments, you're not really RPing at all. The whole point of a roleplay is your character reacting to a world that you, the author, can't control, and creating something new using that. I entered this RP with no future goals except to keep my character as IC as possible throughout the entire thing.
Exactly. Long term goals aren't always feasible in fics like this.
Also, just checking to see if Lantz ignored me for real - ahem -
LANTZ YOUR MOTHER SUCKS COCKS IN HELL
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I'm pretty sure Lantz has had you on ignore for a long time. I also suspect that he does look at your messages sometimes, since he kind-of needs to. I would suggest removing that, I know it's not serious but I can still see Lantz getting annoyed by it.
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Then why do it in the first place? I mean I find him an annoying little whiny shit that has no concept of writing, story structure, character development etc. etc. etc. but I haven't ignored him. Just him being a bitch I guess.
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Because I get tried of his selfish violent attacks on my person. That is why he is on ignore. Now seriously this thread is supposed to be for the RP, let's keep to that as a derail into personal attacks has no barring on the game thread
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>WAAA ATTACKING MY CHARACTERS IS THE SAME AS ATTACKING ME!!!
That's your fucking problem Lantz. Quit being a pussy little bitch and suck it the fuck up you limpdicked shitstain.
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No, Magos, you are attacking him personally. That last post is a perfect example of it.
Now cut it out or I will make sure you are made to cut it out.
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It's not easy not to hit Lantz at the same time over that fact. He takes every criticism (Which is deserved BTW) of any of his characters as a personal attack, a stupid, silly, and juvenile behavior indicative of a very poor author, particularly among those who write Mary Sues as Lantz does.
Put short in Lantz's mind, any and all expressions of dislike of the character is dislike to the author, which is not the case though if he continues to do this will end in genuine hate.
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Magos, the reason he takes your criticism as personal is because of how you say it. You're always rude and nasty about it, far more than I was even at my worst, and I know from bitter experience that people don't take that sort of thing at-all well.
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Maybe Lantz should visit /b/ sometime then, and learn how to take some criticism.
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Yeah, I don't visit /b/, because honestly I don't really fancy dealing with their shit. This forum is not /b/ and I do not wish for it to become /b/. We already have a FSN imageboard if you want to go and flame people with impunity.
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Yeah, I don't visit /b/, because honestly I don't really fancy dealing with their shit. This forum is not /b/ and I do not wish for it to become /b/. We already have a FSN imageboard if you want to go and flame people with impunity.
I am honestly too tired at the moment to explain much beyond this: if Lantz wants a hugbox he should go to FFN. If he wants real honest if somewhat pithy critique, then here is the place. Another thing- if your target audience thinks it is shit, you need to go back to the drawing board.
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No, see, you don't get to unilaterally define what the culture of the forum should be. I don't mind you being criticial, but I do mind you hounding members over and over and being extremely abusive towards them because you don't like their writing. Just because you don't like what Lantz writes it does not mean he has to throw it away and start again.
And, Lantz's "target audience" doesn't think his writing is shit. He still gets readers....
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You have no idea how my mind works Arch so seriously stop claiming you know anything about how I regard things.
you are not the fandom standard, you can complain all you like but I will never listen to you. I know what actual criticism is, you don't give it.
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OK, guys, let's cool it down in here. We've had enough drama in here to last seven lifetimes, we don't need even more of it in here. Magos, calm down.
Also, I think you went a bit too far with this bit:
>WAAA ATTACKING MY CHARACTERS IS THE SAME AS ATTACKING ME!!!
That's your fucking problem Lantz. Quit being a pussy little bitch and suck it the fuck up you limpdicked shitstain.
Expressing your opinion on how you think lantz needs to improve is one thing, and is fine even if you do need to tone down how you say it, but stuff like this quote's going a bridge too far, and I'd rather not have things start boiling down to name calling and insults. You're tired just like I am right now, get some rest and cool down for a bit.
Let's just settle down in here and get back on topic for now, OK?
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No, see, you don't get to unilaterally define what the culture of the forum should be. I don't mind you being criticial, but I do mind you hounding members over and over and being extremely abusive towards them because you don't like their writing. Just because you don't like what Lantz writes it does not mean he has to throw it away and start again.
And, Lantz's "target audience" doesn't think his writing is shit. He still gets readers....
Mike... It does. Did you see the BL threads? It's basically a unilateral cut stomp of lantz's fic by fucking EVERYONE. Even before he deleted the first thread to attempt to silence the critics, there was no one and I mean no one with a single damn good thing to say about it. It is like the Big Rigs Racing of the Nasu fandom, the Troll 3, the FATAL. Nobody had a single good thing to say.
And yes, if no one else will set the standards here Mike I fucking will.
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No, Magos, you do not get to define standards for this forum (or any other forum for that matter) based on your own beliefs and harrass people who don't meet those standards until they stop writing. Everyone is entitled to post their work here, regardless of how high-quality you think it is (as long as it is genuine and not just a blatant troll fic).
I assure you that the moderation team is not going to allow you to enforce your will on the forum. If Lantz does not want to hear what you have to say he has the right to ignore you, and he also has the right not to be abused for doing so (or for any other reason) and the right not to be constantly harrassed because you don't agree with him on something. If you want him to listen then try actually being nice for once.
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Ok, first I explained why I deleted that thread, so you can quit lying about that. You have no right to set the standard here nor are you correct about the threads on bl.
Furthermore it's been made clear that we should get back to the point of the thread and yet you aren't listening at all. Take a bloody hint.
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No, Magos, you do not get to define standards for this forum (or any other forum for that matter) based on your own beliefs and harrass people who don't meet those standards until they stop writing. Everyone is entitled to post their work here, regardless of how high-quality you think it is (as long as it is genuine and not just a blatant troll fic).
I assure you that the moderation team is not going to allow you to enforce your will on the forum. If Lantz does not want to hear what you have to say he has the right to ignore you, and he also has the right not to be abused for doing so (or for any other reason) and the right not to be constantly harrassed because you don't agree with him on something. If you want him to listen then try actually being nice for once.
I did try being nice Mike. That didn't work. That never worked with Lantz. Ever. At all. In any way.
I also have the right to point out what a horrible shitty piece of fiction he produces, how Mary Sue all his fucking characters are, and in general how horrible a poster he is.
Ok, first I explained why I deleted that thread, so you can quit lying about that. You have no right to set the standard here nor are you correct about the threads on bl.
Furthermore it's been made clear that we should get back to the point of the thread and yet you aren't listening at all. Take a bloody hint.
...Then explain the time you deleted that one snippet three fucking times. There wasn't a single simple reason for that outside of 'silencing critics.' The two thread system wasn't necessary in BL. Basically Lantz, you aren't fooling me. I'm trying to keep you as fucking honest here as possible because I have a damn good reason to believe you're either lying or trying to bullshit us.
And yes, lets get back to the point, namely how Satoshi's about to get a door kicked in his face.
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I did try being nice Mike. That didn't work. That never worked with Lantz. Ever. At all. In any way.
I honestly don't remember you ever being nice to Lantz.
I also have the right to point out what a horrible shitty piece of fiction he produces, how Mary Sue all his fucking characters are, and in general how horrible a poster he is.
No, you don't. Certainly not all the time, anyway, and definitely not when it is spamming a completely unrelated thread with the same damn argument 500 times.
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He's never been nice so that's a lie.
the one shot I deleted twice because the third version had the correction that for whatever reason did not appear during the first repost.
in any case I'm not about to tolerate or accept your violent methods.
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He's never been nice so that's a lie.
the one shot I deleted twice because the third version had the correction that for whatever reason did not appear during the first repost.
in any case I'm not about to tolerate or accept your violent methods.
...I have. I actually fucking have. I've been kind, I've been attempting to understand it.
And excuse me for doubting that explanation lantz.
But again, let's stop with this before I explode into a ball of rage shall we?
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The problem is that you're like me in that respect. Your idea of being nice and polite still comes off as rude....
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The problem is that you're like me in that respect. Your idea of being nice and polite still comes off as rude....
Exactly. I have a very sarcastic online persona that can easily come off as hostile by accident.
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Your kindness sure as fuck looks like trolling and bullying to me. So I hope you can understand why I do not believe you.
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Your kindness sure as fuck looks like trolling and bullying to me. So I hope you can understand why I do not believe you.
Welcome to reality Lantz. Not everyone is always nice to you because you want them to be nice to you. You have to earn that.
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Civility is not earned Arch, it is a basic right. You are clearly incapable of it however as you've demonstrated. If you learn how to act in a civil manner instead of raging out I may listen to what you have to say.
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Civility is not earned Arch, it is a basic right. You are clearly incapable of it however as you've demonstrated. If you learn how to act in a civil manner instead of raging out I may listen to what you have to say.
>I'm incapable of civility
By jove I never could tell that my good man. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways my good man. Now off to laugh at the french and germans for not having the glorious empire we do.
Let me put it like this Lantz - you give me no reason to respect you, and every reason not to.
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The french are pretty laughable. Best thing they ever did was give their language to Quebeckers so we could infinitely improve it with profuse swearing.
Tabarnak.
But seriously now kids, let's end this particular topic. You know, with the authority invested in me by the state of administration and the monarchy and all that. God save the queen.
Move on from all that shizzle. Whoever tries to keep that shizzle up with get smacked, you know the drill.
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Names, you're from Quebec?
I... I can't associate with you any more. As an Ontarian, I have an extremely irrational hatred of any Canadian who speaks French instead of English. I'm sorry, but our relationship is over. No, it was never meant to be, for fate has proclaimed it so. The star that was our love has fallen from the sky.
Keep the kids.
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Hey man, watch Bon Cop Bad Cop (the movie), and then tell me an Ontarian and a Quebecker can't break the rules and be massive bros.
And you could also watch it because it's the best Canadian action movie ever, but that's beside the point.
And actually, I'm a Montrealer. We're a whole lot more english here than we are french. I mean, I can speak french, but I rarely ever do.
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OK, I finally got my post done.
Alice, if there's anything in it that you really object to that I can reasonably change, please say so and I'll edit it. I wrote it so that Kiyoshi storming out would happen after Ryoko's most recent post, though, so she won't be ignoring that in order to flirt with Lancer.
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OK, I finally got my post done.
Alice, if there's anything in it that you really object to that I can reasonably change, please say so and I'll edit it. I wrote it so that Kiyoshi storming out would happen after Ryoko's most recent post, though, so she won't be ignoring that in order to flirt with Lancer.
...I just had a funny idea. I'm PM'ing you about it.
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Hey man, watch Bon Cop Bad Cop (the movie), and then tell me an Ontarian and a Quebecker can't break the rules and be massive bros.
And you could also watch it because it's the best Canadian action movie ever, but that's beside the point.
And actually, I'm a Montrealer. We're a whole lot more english here than we are french. I mean, I can speak french, but I rarely ever do.
Oh fine, bro. I can't hate you.
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OK, I finally got my post done.
Alice, if there's anything in it that you really object to that I can reasonably change, please say so and I'll edit it. I wrote it so that Kiyoshi storming out would happen after Ryoko's most recent post, though, so she won't be ignoring that in order to flirt with Lancer.
...I just had a funny idea. I'm PM'ing you about it.
It's an amusing idea, but it doesn't fit with what Kiyoshi would do in this situation.
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Hmm, OK, since I seem to have confused people I've edited my post to be clearer on what I intended to do.
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Magos, if you're going to give criticism, at least be polite about it and explain things. Ranting doesn't do shit.
Got it?
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Yes, even when actually being polite about it and explaining things hasn't worked before...
OK Elf.
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But ranting about it just makes things worse. So just calm your tits Magos and if things get to be too bad I'll deal with it.
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Mil, just checking, Downy's getting down to some magical shit on top of a building downtown right?
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Yeah actually Mil, what, specifically, is downy doing?
Because all you told me last time is that he was on a rooftop. I have this image stuck in my head of him just sitting in a corner hugging his legs, watching the sunset.
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...Pfft.
And Nachos, I think it's time for Ran and Inferno Cop's grand entrance.
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Oh right, I had that to do.
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Please have inferno cop enter the scene, that way I can finish this up
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I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing
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I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing
Well, according to the layout of Castle Bullshit, you're actually in the courtyard. And Raul is pretty much going 'What the fuck.'
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I meant the Ran part
I feel like I'm RPing an emotional rollercoaster of what the fuck and holy shit what was that
...Which, I guess, is pretty accurate considering how fucked up her day's been.
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I meant the Ran part
I feel like I'm RPing an emotional rollercoaster of what the fuck and holy shit what was that
...Which, I guess, is pretty accurate considering how fucked up her day's been.
Same with Lawrence.
He killed a dude, met the head of the organized crime syndicate, almost killed another dude, got shanked, ate pure evil, got high off of it, got arrested, and is now in a cell half naked with a half naked girl with only one bed. And a coin that came up on its side.
Lawrence is having one of those life questioning days.
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Funny that, because to Ran he seems like a pretty solid kind of guy. Even when he was "drunk", he seemed to know what was going on and who he was hating, so he was still on top of things.
I guess that's the outward feeling you give people when most of your 'freak out screaming' is internal, and responded to by the spirit in your head.
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True, I guess that's the advantage when you have a voice in your head to freak out at instead.
Also, Lantz. He's got probable cause, and he's INFERNO COP. He don't need no warrant.
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Wait, am I in a room or a courtyard?
and if I'm in a room does Satoshi have a chapel-building inside his castle-building? for what purpose
And actually, magos is right on something: Inferno Cop does have probable cause to be inside the building. If we were going by normal cop rules and he actually needed that or a warrant, that is. As is, we are going by INFERNO COP rules and even if he didn't have probable cause, he would have done what he wanted.
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Inferno is in the courtyard. You can see the castle when Satoshi pointed to it.
and Satoshi doesn't know inferno cop is not a normal cop, flaming head not withstanding.
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Also, Satoshi's plan doesn't work. At all.
First, zoning laws don't matter, because HE STOLE PROPERTY FROM ITS LEGAL LANDLORD. Second, I don't think zoning laws work that way.
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Damn you boys all want some of the milkshake in my yard. I'll be making split posts for my next few, won't I?
One more and I'm going to bed. These demand too much EFFORT
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Fun fact: You don't actually need a warrant if you know for a fact that illegal stuff is going down, only when you suspect it but can't outright prove it 100%. As it is, there should be a bunch of normal cops around the building, and they could have told Inferno Cop that it was illegally erected.
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And I totally brought up normal cops when IC got there, so they totally could have talked to him while he was banging the gate like a battering ram on cocaine. They just probably figured it was useless after knock #5376.
And btw that's called probable cause.
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Oops wait, I forgot that Axe Cop and Gun Cop are currently right outside the jail bars until RPed otherwise, and Axe Cop only brought up night patrol and didn't go on it yet.
I'll let them have their turn (and get out) before I make my next post, lest I make them voyeurs.
SO GOOD NIGHT ALL
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Nooooooooo!
At least do Inferno Cop!
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I'm all about the split posting now Magos, I can never go back to the way I was.
It's all ogre.
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...Also, the cops are away from the cells. Just remembered that.
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You know, I kind-of want you guys to try to arrest my characters when Sakura gets there, because I'm pretty sure that they could trivially escape (you might be able to kill them if I allowed it, but I don't think you could hold them prisoner, and certainly not humanely).
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Satoshi doesn't have a plan, he doesn't care he just wants inferno cop to leave because he's not looking for a fight. If he comes to that then so be it.
personally I didn't join the RP for high stakes combat, I find it boring when put alongside character development. Especially because cross effects isn't a combat based game, further that fact means that what combat that happens should have real meaning behind it.
and in my opinion a fight with inferno cop and/or Raul would be pointless here the same as Lawrence's attack on Connor earlier.
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...Also, the cops are away from the cells. Just remembered that.
No no man, they're still there. Kusagari flashed his wepons, Axe cop came up in his black cat suit and handed us donuts and coffee and talked about night patrol, and that was it. They ain't moved yet.
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Alright more Downy explanation, he's using a summoning ritual and bringing it to overload. The ritual when casted (Which he's already done.) will continue to summon monsters at a rapid pace from the 3 conduit circles. They will continue such action until the mana in the area is completely depleted (About a day's time.) after such they will then begin a meltdown phase which creates an explosion similar to a nuclear bomb, complete with mana sucking and mana fallout that leaves nothing left in it's place.
The cause for such a devastating spell is quite simple, as Downy just wants to return to his own world yet he can't do that alone, he needs to create what is essentially a beacon loud enough for his true summoner to find him and then they can get back together.
Also to destroy the spell the 3 conduits must be destroyed first, destroying the main energy portal first (The one Downy's at.) will just cause the explosion anyway taking Downy and anybody in a large radius with it. (I'd say on a lever far greater to the bombs dropped in Japan.)
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No no man, they're still there. Kusagari flashed his wepons, Axe cop came up in his black cat suit and handed us donuts and coffee and talked about night patrol, and that was it. They ain't moved yet.
He turned back to Kusagari, leading the man away from the cells. "Speaking of questions, I'm going to need to get a handle on how much fighting knowledge you've got. I'll be leaving for night patrol in an hour or so, and that's plenty of time to see just what you've got in the realm of experience."
It's kind of implied that Axe Cop lead Kusagari away to another part of the station to teach him some stuff.
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But he hasn't been stated to folloooooooowwwwwwww
We can't RP the man for him.
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Alright more Downy explanation, he's using a summoning ritual and bringing it to overload. The ritual when casted (Which he's already done.) will continue to summon monsters at a rapid pace from the 3 conduit circles. They will continue such action until the mana in the area is completely depleted (About a day's time.) after such they will then begin a meltdown phase which creates an explosion similar to a nuclear bomb, complete with mana sucking and mana fallout that leaves nothing left in it's place.
The cause for such a devastating spell is quite simple, as Downy just wants to return to his own world yet he can't do that alone, he needs to create what is essentially a beacon loud enough for his true summoner to find him and then they can get back together.
Also to destroy the spell the 3 conduits must be destroyed first, destroying the main energy portal first (The one Downy's at.) will just cause the explosion anyway taking Downy and anybody in a large radius with it. (I'd say on a lever far greater to the bombs dropped in Japan.)
...Henderson has found his purpose in life once more.
Satoshi doesn't have a plan, he doesn't care he just wants inferno cop to leave because he's not looking for a fight. If he comes to that then so be it.
personally I didn't join the RP for high stakes combat, I find it boring when put alongside character development. Especially because cross effects isn't a combat based game, further that fact means that what combat that happens should have real meaning behind it.
and in my opinion a fight with inferno cop and/or Raul would be pointless here the same as Lawrence's attack on Connor earlier.
Oh it does have meaning behind it, especially for Raul and Inferno Cop - for Inferno it's punishing a law breaker, and for Raul it'd be his Descent on the line. Hell doesn't come easy. If there's an Angel, he can't go to Hell.
The only reason it'd be pointless is because you're not going t let your characters die for any reason.
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Magos, Lantz does not have to let his characters die for your benefit. And, BTW, the same applies to Rider, and the rest of my characters. If they were to be allowed to die (which is unlikely) it will only be if I find it an interesting development.
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Magos, Lantz does not have to let his characters die for your benefit. And, BTW, the same applies to Rider, and the rest of my characters. If they were to be allowed to die (which is unlikely) it will only be if I find it an interesting development.
See, here's the problem, and why I love RPG's so much - however you define interesting, it probably won't happen. Ever.
Especially knowing Lantz, he won't, and he's stated before, that he won't let his characters die to mine, even when it's realistically going to happen, makes sense dramatically, and wants 'literary deaths' which I have no idea what that means.
As Daiki said earlier in the thread, refusing to allow your characters to die sucks all fun for everyone else out of the RP, along with all the tension. With Lantz, it's even worse, he refuses to allow them to even get hurt. That's bad. That's really bad.
To take a bit from my recent hunter game for example - the only reason Bloble's character isn't in the hospital for the in game equivalent of months, is because Nacho's had a fantastic pair of rolls with a shotgun to blast the monster off of him, otherwise his character would have been out of commission for a while.
In this, that won't happen. Actually, the only characters that have gotten injured so far are Law and Isa IIRC.
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Magos, this is a different type of RP. We have characters with wildly different power levels based around the principle of pulling in interesting characters and having interactions between them. If you start allowing character deaths without the player's consent then we all end up having to make OP characters in order to defend ourselves, or at least to design our characters around survivability rather than interest. D&D has a stat system for a reason.
Also, frankly, you killing Lantz's characters would ruin the RP for him. I don't see why, just because you've made the most OP character possible, you should be the only one allowed to have fun. We're not in this RP to fight you, we're in this RP because we want to have interesting character interactions with our characters. Fighting is OK, but forcing us to accept deaths you impose on us is not.
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Whoa Mike. I'm not getting into this whole argument, but I'm fairly sure that lantz wins here when it comes to having the most OP characters (sorry man, but Satoshi is just overpowered no matter how you try to justify it), with Mord as runner up because of that crazy arrancar chick with A+++ in every stat (shine on you crazy diamond).
Well, at least until I bring in Dio. Then you can yell at me all you want.
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Magos, this is a different type of RP. We have characters with wildly different power levels based around the principle of pulling in interesting characters and having interactions between them. If you start allowing character deaths without the player's consent then we all end up having to make OP characters in order to defend ourselves, or at least to design our characters around survivability rather than interest. D&D has a stat system for a reason.
Also, frankly, you killing Lantz's characters would ruin the RP for him. I don't see why, just because you've made the most OP character possible, you should be the only one allowed to have fun. We're not in this RP to fight you, we're in this RP because we want to have interesting character interactions with our characters. Fighting is OK, but forcing us to accept deaths you impose on us is not.
Which is rather funny, as Raul isn't close to the most OP character here. He's actually weaker than Satoshi in most ways - he's no immortal 18 year old that's actually 2000 with access to magic from Merlin, a Noble Phantasm he shouldn't have, also a dragon, or able to regenerate from everything. All he is, is a Demon who's never going to go Loud without his very existence at stake, and even then will hesitate to activate it as it will strip him of the one thing he can truly call his own in this world. And no, you don't need to make OP characters to defend yourselves, you just have to play it fucking smart like you should in the first place.
I don't see how this would ruin the RP for him if he's not being an idiot - he can always bring in new characters. It's what I'll do if one kicks the bucket. For that matter, Downy will kill everyone ANYWAY (And according to you ruining the RP for Lantz) with his nuclear blast realistically. So this point is moot. You're all doomed, if one old stoner doesn't somehow save the world again, while high off his ass. My moneys on Downy succeeding.
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Whoa Mike. I'm not getting into this whole argument, but I'm fairly sure that lantz wins here when it comes to having the most OP characters (sorry man, but Satoshi is just overpowered no matter how you try to justify it), with Mord as runner up because of that crazy arrancar chick with A+++ in every stat (shine on you crazy diamond).
Well, at least until I bring in Dio. Then you can yell at me all you want.
From what I can tell, that's not true. I recall you saying Inferno Cop was a God, for example, and Magos certainly seems confident that Raul would defeat Toshi.
Magos, this is a different type of RP. We have characters with wildly different power levels based around the principle of pulling in interesting characters and having interactions between them. If you start allowing character deaths without the player's consent then we all end up having to make OP characters in order to defend ourselves, or at least to design our characters around survivability rather than interest. D&D has a stat system for a reason.
Also, frankly, you killing Lantz's characters would ruin the RP for him. I don't see why, just because you've made the most OP character possible, you should be the only one allowed to have fun. We're not in this RP to fight you, we're in this RP because we want to have interesting character interactions with our characters. Fighting is OK, but forcing us to accept deaths you impose on us is not.
Which is rather funny, as Raul isn't close to the most OP character here. He's actually weaker than Satoshi in most ways - he's no immortal 18 year old that's actually 2000 with access to magic from Merlin, a Noble Phantasm he shouldn't have, also a dragon, or able to regenerate from everything. All he is, is a Demon who's never going to go Loud without his very existence at stake, and even then will hesitate to activate it as it will strip him of the one thing he can truly call his own in this world.
So, in other words, he's not at-all OP unless he's in a situation where he actually needs to be OP, in which case he is...? And his only limits are self-imposed, which means you can lift them whenever you feel like fucking someone over?
Yeah, sorry, that is OP.
And no, you don't need to make OP characters to defend yourselves, you just have to play it fucking smart like you should in the first place.
Again, you're missing the damn point. This RP is not about "playing it smart", it's about developing the characters. I know Kiyoshi will do some stupid things and that's intentional. I don't want to be forced to have him under 24/7 armed guard from Rider because someone might decide to kill him for no reason (which would wreck the RP for me because the rest of my characters would go nuts).
I don't see how this would ruin the RP for him if he's not being an idiot - he can always bring in new characters. It's what I'll do if one kicks the bucket.
No, because I certainly joined the RP because I wanted to play these characters.
Also, whilst losing one character might be OK, consistently losing characters all the time certainly does ruin the RP for the player in question. This RP is about character development and interaction, and you can't develop a character who is dead. Therefore, allowing forced character deaths means that a concerted effort from another player can destroy the game for their target.
So, given that you are quite blatantly targetting Lantz's characters because you don't like him/them, I think Lantz is being entirely reasonable in not alowing you to do that. Allowing forced character deaths does not work when people can make characters arbitrarily to exploit weaknesses and with arbitrary powerlevels.
For that matter, Downy will kill everyone ANYWAY (And according to you ruining the RP for Lantz) with his nuclear blast realistically. So this point is moot. You're all doomed, if one old stoner doesn't somehow save the world again, while high off his ass. My moneys on Downy succeeding.
Yeah, wiping out the whole city is certainly going to wreck the RP....
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Joke characters don't count, Mike, otherwise Axe Cop would be the most powerful being in the universe.
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Joke characters don't count, Mike, otherwise Axe Cop would be the most powerful being in the universe.
The thing is, that logic only works because we're allowed to say "no, we won't accept deaths". Because Joke characters aren't so funny when they kill you....
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So, in other words, he's not at-all OP unless he's in a situation where he actually needs to be OP, in which case he is...? And his only limits are self-imposed, which means you can lift them whenever you feel like fucking someone over?
Yeah, sorry, that is OP.
Again, you're missing the damn point. This RP is not about "playing it smart", it's about developing the characters. I know Kiyoshi will do some stupid things and that's intentional. I don't want to be forced to have him under 24/7 armed guard from Rider because someone might decide to kill him for no reason (which would wreck the RP for me because the rest of my characters would go nuts).
No, because I certainly joined the RP because I wanted to play these characters.
Also, whilst losing one character might be OK, consistently losing characters all the time certainly does ruin the RP for the player in question. This RP is about character development and interaction, and you can't develop a character who is dead. Therefore, allowing forced character deaths means that a concerted effort from another player can destroy the game for their target.
So, given that you are quite blatantly targetting Lantz's characters because you don't like him/them, I think Lantz is being entirely reasonable in not alowing you to do that. Allowing forced character deaths does not work when people can make characters arbitrarily to exploit weaknesses and with arbitrary powerlevels.
Yeah, wiping out the whole city is certainly going to wreck the RP....
Because HOLY TEXT WALL BATMAN! I'm going to run through this really really fast.
- Raul has the possibility if he goes loud, which he won't because of a point I'll address... right now! In Demon form however, yeah, he could match Satoshi physically, but there's no way he could win without luck, guts, and dictating the battle on his own terms... three things Lantz won't ever allow.
- Raul won't go loud because if he does the following will happen: His cover, his very name is obliterated. This is the only thing he can call his own, this is his very identity. Going loud would make him in a way, cease to exist. Going Loud also guarantees his own destruction unless he's beyond lucky; the God-Machine will send its own unleashed Angels after him, and Raul is no where near powerful enough to survive until he can find another Cover and escape. For that matter, it might cause the God-Machine to accelerate its plans for the Nexus, something that would ALSO END THE RP.
- Kiyoshi is 11, his idiocy is forgivable. We're also not all murderhobo dicks. We won't murder each other over the little things, we'll need solid in character reasons... something I'll cover in my next line.
- NO. I am not targeting Lantz. Connor's own sheet lead to his being attacked by Lawrence because of what Lawrence knew OC. Satoshi is on Raul's shitlist at the moment because that Castle is so likely to be Infrastructure that it isn't even funny. If Rider had been the first out the door, he would have targeted her as an Angel in Cover. Same with Suetoshi. Character death, once again, is a natural and beautiful thing that leads to fun and even more fun character interactions, development, and a bunch of other things. Here's another thing: Don't play characters you aren't alright with possibly dying like a bitch. It's a simple rule that will save you much suffering and allow you to RP more effectively.
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Joke characters don't count, Mike, otherwise Axe Cop would be the most powerful being in the universe.
The thing is, that logic only works because we're allowed to say "no, we won't accept deaths". Because Joke characters aren't so funny when they kill you....
Again, you're not trusting us to play them as Joke Characters. You're being far too paranoid Mike.
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Again, Magos, you're missing the damn point. This RP is designed so we can play with characters we don't want to see die, and we like it that way. Not all RPs have to follow your ideal structure, or be so cut-throat as you seem to want them to be.
All I can really say at this point is "go read the first post in this thread", honestly. Elf makes it absolutely clear how the RP is meant to be, and it is not meant to be a cut-throat battle for survival between players. It is meant to be about character development and interaction, and that doesn't work if characters keep dying.
That is how the RP is designed and that is how several of us including the GM wish for it to remain. If you don't like it then go make your own RP which runs according to your rules. Don't try to co-opt ours into something that we don't want it to be. You can, of course, play however you like, but you do not get to force that playstyle on the rest of us.
As for the "Joke characters" thing, if Inferno Cop is about to kill Satoshi (or at least make a genuine attempt to do so that would succeed were it not for Elf's "no killing" rule) then I think I have good reason to take issue there.
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Again, Magos, you're missing the damn point. This RP is designed so we can play with characters we don't want to see die, and we like it that way. Not all RPs have to follow your ideal structure, or be so cut-throat as you seem to want them to be.
All I can really say at this point is "go read the first post in this thread", honestly. Elf makes it absolutely clear how the RP is meant to be, and it is not meant to be a cut-throat battle for survival between players. It is meant to be about character development and interaction, and that doesn't work if characters keep dying.
That is how the RP is designed and that is how several of us including the GM with for it to remain. If you don't like it then go make your own RP which runs according to your rules. Don't try to co-opt ours into something that we don't want it to be.
As for the "Joke characters" thing, if Inferno Cop is about to kill Satoshi (or at least make a genuine attempt to do so that would succeed were it not for Elf's "no killing" rule) then I think I have good reason to take issue there.
Oh, no, I don't want them to be cut throat. Stop putting words into my mouth. I'm just trying to point out that you should be willing to let your characters die. That's all I'm saying.
And how do you know Inferno Cop won't just slap some cuffs on him, say 'You're nicked sonny' and drag him off to jail? Persecution complex much?
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Again, Magos, you're missing the damn point. This RP is designed so we can play with characters we don't want to see die, and we like it that way. Not all RPs have to follow your ideal structure, or be so cut-throat as you seem to want them to be.
All I can really say at this point is "go read the first post in this thread", honestly. Elf makes it absolutely clear how the RP is meant to be, and it is not meant to be a cut-throat battle for survival between players. It is meant to be about character development and interaction, and that doesn't work if characters keep dying.
That is how the RP is designed and that is how several of us including the GM with for it to remain. If you don't like it then go make your own RP which runs according to your rules. Don't try to co-opt ours into something that we don't want it to be.
As for the "Joke characters" thing, if Inferno Cop is about to kill Satoshi (or at least make a genuine attempt to do so that would succeed were it not for Elf's "no killing" rule) then I think I have good reason to take issue there.
Oh, no, I don't want them to be cut throat. Stop putting words into my mouth. I'm just trying to point out that you should be willing to let your characters die. That's all I'm saying.
Well, I disagree. I think it depends on context and the characters in question. If you don't want a character to die then you should not be forced to avoid playing them to prevent that, and nor should you be forced to allow someone else to completely ruin the RP for you.
Also, it should absolutely be up to the player to decide whether the death method is fair and good for the RP. Otherwise it is just too abuseable given the different power levels and play styles in action here. And, Lantz has been pretty clear that he is OK with his characters dying if he thinks it's fair and leads to good development, he just doesn't see your actions as fitting that.
And how do you know Inferno Cop won't just slap some cuffs on him, say 'You're nicked sonny' and drag him off to jail? Persecution complex much?
Because Satoshi and Rider won't let him?
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And that's their problem. In which case, Inferno Cop punches out Naked Rider, slaps the handcuffs on, and drags him away anyway.
It's also not fun for us, if you and Lantz can do whatever the fuck you want without consequences and get your way every fucking time Mike. You have to give and take.
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The thing is, though, you're expecting your characters to just do whatever they damn well like without consequences, and are abusing their OPness to do so.
And, I'm not seeing any "give" on your part here. You're just expecting us to let you just dictate how we can act and take whatever punishment you decide, up to and including death. You're trying to remove our enjoyment of the RP by forcing us to accept the death of characters on your terms even if we see that death as unfair or if it ruins the RP for us due to characterisation issues, and you're giving up absolutely nothing that you currently have.
The RP was designed so we could play this way (although consequences are still possible, just not death), and you have no right to expect us to change that. I don't mind trying to make the RP better for you but I will not do so by ruining it for myself.
As for the cop thing, if he starts doing that then he is not a "Joke character" any more. Joke characters don't force everyone else's character to follow their rules.
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As for the OP regard. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. I'm about as IC as possible. Characters run into conflict. It's what makes a good fucking story. Raul is completely acting IC here, because he doesn't know about Satoshi coming from another universe. He doesn't know the Castle isn't Infrastructure, because he has no frame of reference for a structure rising from nowhere in a fucking couple of hours outside of infrastructure.
Then what sort of consequences actually happen if Satoshi can do whatever the fuck he wants? He can't go to jail because you and Lantz won't allow it, he can't be injured because neither you nor Lantz will allow it. He can't die because 'THAT WOULDN'T BE LITERARY BAWWWW' or some shit. So instead, he god modes all the fucking time and gets on everyone's nerves but apparently yours for some reason.
And the same thing applies to my characters too, something you seem to be ignoring - they can die too. It isn't just your characters who would be able to die, it's everyones. Otherwise, it isn't fair. Get the drop on them, be more powerful than them, exploit a weakness, they die. And death? Death isn't fucking fair. Characterization issues shouldn't ruin the RP for you if you believe, as you've claimed, that this is about character development. You fucking roll with it. You have your characters react to it, act about it, mourn the loss, swear revenge, whatever. That's literary. That's writing a story. That's how a story works. Characters come into conflict, sometimes violent, sometimes not, but they clash, and learn.
So basically, all you want to do is wank off to Rider. While I can't condemn you for that, I can condemn you for doing so on our time.
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No, my characters would not develop if one of them died, they would break. Certainly over the timeframe of the RP, anyway. People don't magically recover from their friend/husband/children dying.
And, frankly, the stuff about consequences just proves my and Lantz's point. You want to punish Lantz because he RPs in a way you don't like, and you're taking your OOC anger out on him ICly. And using the fact that the RP is free-form to try to do it. That is not on at all, and Lantz is totally correct to tell you where to stick it.
If you want Lantz to be punished for "god-moding" then go complain to Elf. But, since she hasn't done so yet I suspect you will find that you are out of luck.
As for the rest, you are again missing the point. It is not even because I am giving up something I care about and you are not. I mind my characters dying and you don't, so to say "but everyone's character can die so it is fair" is just plain bullshit.
Or, at least, it is no more true than saying "well, you can prevent your characters dying if you choose, so it's fair", which is just as convincing an argument in favour of my approach. They are different ways of playing, yes, but they are both entirely valid ways of playing. You do not get to dictate which one we pick.
Elf made the nature of the RP damn clear, if you don't like it then fuck off. Stop moaning because people don't want to play your way.
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If you're implying that anyone will kill Kiyoshi you're making me laugh. He's 11. 11. Are you fucking kidding me?
And the point about consequences is brought up because Lantz is playing the character like nothing can or will effect him. It's making me sick, and it's even worse how he was blatantly dictating and metagaming about the castle. He blatantly stated earlier in the Sign Up thread that Inferno Cop couldn't arrest him, and said he'd lie to him and Inferno Cop would believe it - that's not cool on any level. He's expecting everyone to conform to his view of the RP, and pulls shit out of his ass to attempt for that to happen - Angra in the garage, and there's the shit with the fight with forest earlier... etc etc. etc. I could rant about this here but I won't because Elf would disapprove.
And my point is this: Why should you care about them. Why. This is for fun. If they die, they die. You can always make a new character. It isn't hard. Let them die.
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Because Satoshi and Rider won't let him?
waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...
A cop does their in-character cop thing and tries to make a guy pay for his crimes, the person fights back along with a naked woman far up their ass castle, the cop fights back this resisting of arrest to bring the guy in, and somehow the "fight back" part is condemned because "le joke character lel" ain't allowed?
A joke character is partly a joke, yeah, but as long as they don't pull some random power from episode whatever where they time travel or conquer the pyramids, he should be taken as seriously as any other. Just, written with more sillyness than most, and with sillier gizmos.
Inferno Cop can fight back just fine without pulling out some stupid broken shit, and he'll still be a joke character. Just look at how Axe Cop was acting in the apartment building when Connor tried to whack Law. Joke character in a serious scene acted to stop someone, the scene worked.
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If you're implying that anyone will kill Kiyoshi you're making me laugh. He's 11. 11. Are you fucking kidding me?
And the point about consequences is brought up because Lantz is playing the character like nothing can or will effect him. It's making me sick, and it's even worse how he was blatantly dictating and metagaming about the castle. He blatantly stated earlier in the Sign Up thread that Inferno Cop couldn't arrest him, and said he'd lie to him and Inferno Cop would believe it - that's not cool on any level. He's expecting everyone to conform to his view of the RP, and pulls shit out of his ass to attempt for that to happen - Angra in the garage, and there's the shit with the fight with forest earlier... etc etc. etc. I could rant about this here but I won't because Elf would disapprove.
And my point is this: Why should you care about them. Why. This is for fun. If they die, they die. You can always make a new character. It isn't hard. Let them die.
Not just Kiyoshi, also Rider, Sakura, Aoi and Shirou. They're a family, if you kill one of them it will break the others.
As for Lantz, if you're accusing him of dictating then I think that you're being damn hypocritical given how you're acting right now. And, he can't force Inferno Cop to believe him, whatever he says. However, you really should have consideration for other people's interests in the RP too. If you had that, people might be more willing to have consideration for yours.
And, I care about the characters because I do, and I want to continue playing those characters. I am not absolutely ruling out character death but I will make the decision, not you. That is how I want the RP to be played, and I have just as much right to play my way as you do to play your way.
If Elf wanted characters to die freely and people to allow that then she would not have added the rule saying character deaths required the player's consent. The fact that that rule is there means it is entirely within the spirit of the RP for me to say I do not wish for it to happen. That is the culture of the RP and I like that culture. You do not get to unilaterally change it just because you don't.
Frankly, Magos, you are expecting us to bend to your wishes and RP in a way that is enjoyable for you without taking any notice of what is enjoyable for us, and I see absolutely no reason why I or anyone else should go along with it. Come back to the argument when you actually have something to offer beyond "waahh, you're allowed to do what you want and I'm not, I want it to be the other way around".
Because Satoshi and Rider won't let him?
waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...
A cop does their in-character cop thing and tries to make a guy pay for his crimes, the person fights back along with a naked woman far up their ass castle, the cop fights back this resisting of arrest to bring the guy in, and somehow the "fight back" part is condemned because "le joke character lel" ain't allowed?
A joke character is partly a joke, yeah, but as long as they don't pull some random power from episode whatever where they time travel or conquer the pyramids, he should be taken as seriously as any other. Just, written with more sillyness than most, and with sillier gizmos.
Inferno Cop can fight back just fine without pulling out some stupid broken shit, and he'll still be a joke character. Just look at how Axe Cop was acting in the apartment building when Connor tried to whack Law. Joke character in a serious scene acted to stop someone, the scene worked.
Well, I only mind if he starts using OP abilities that wouldn't be allowed in a normal character to do it. But, if he doesn't I find it hard to see him arresting Rider and Satoshi. They're both towards the top-end of Nasuverse characters, and he'd be facing two of them, and in Satoshi's castle where he has all sorts of crap to fight off intruders. Plus, Rider is basically impossible to arrest, because she is a magical being that can become incorporeal, and if you cut off her magic then she will die.
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Well, I only mind if he starts using OP abilities to do it. But, if he doesn't I find it hard to see him arresting Rider and Satoshi.
This is totally hypocrisy Mike. Especially considering your above post.
And there's a difference between dictating actions and saying 'Hey, you should let your characters you know, die. It isn't harming you.' One's a fucking dick move to everyone, and the other is a suggestion.
I also want to point out that aside from you and Lantz, NOBODY HERE MINDS CHARACTER DEATH. You can do tyranny of the Majority all you want but in this case I'm all for the Tyrants.
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Actually, I think you're wrong about character death. I think most people will be willing to accept it in some circumstances, but not arbitrarily. I'm pretty sure Elf would not generally accept Forest getting killed, for example, because she wants to RP as her. You're right that asking is fine, but I've answered why I consider it to be harmful to me several times and you still keep insisting, so you're not asking you're dictating.
And, this is not a majority rule situation. The GM writes the rules for the RP, you don't get to change them by majority vote. If you want an RP run by your rules you can make one.
As for Inferno Cop, my point is that he was accepted as a joke character and his powers were allowed in only because of that. If he arrests Satoshi and Rider he isn't really acting as a joke character at that point in time, so he shouldn't be allowed to use OP abilities to do so, particularly since him doing so makes things awkward for us.
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Actually, I think you're wrong about character death. I think most people will be willing to accept it in some circumstances, but not arbitrarily. I'm pretty sure Elf would not generally accept Forest getting killed, for example, because she wants to RP as her. You're right that asking is fine, but I've answered why I consider it to be harmful to me several times and you still keep insisting, so you're not asking you're dictating.
And, this is not a majority rule situation. The GM writes the rules for the RP, you don't get to change them by majority vote. If you want an RP run by your rules you can make one.
As for Inferno Cop, my point is that he was accepted as a joke character and his powers were allowed in only because of that. If he arrests Satoshi and Rider he isn't really acting as a joke character at that point in time, so he shouldn't be allowed to use OP abilities to do so, particularly since him doing so makes things awkward for us.
Accepted and I know this. I'm just hoping Elf agrees.
And as for Inferno Cop, the hypocrisy from you continues. You're basically saying "NO HE CAN'T USE HIS POWERS WHEN IT WOULD INCONVIENENCE US EVER!" which is blatantly godmoding. You don't make the rules Mike. Neither do I.
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Inferno Cop can do his thing without busting out the bullshit OP abilities, Mike. The fact that you believe him making things awkward for your characters is a bad thing is actually offensive for me. This is a roleplay, not a world where everything goes right and everyone's nice and happy and you can have all the badly written sex you want. Tense situations bring about character growth. Loss brings character growth. Having to deal with shit you don't want to deal with brings character growth. I'm not telling you to kill off your characters, but if you don't want to deal with something inconvenient IC, then that's your problem, not ours.
EDIT: Don't know why I mentioned that person, must've been a typo or something or maybe me secretly fantasizing.
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Accepted and I know this. I'm just hoping Elf agrees.
Given that she wrote the rules originally with none of us telling her what to put in there I would be surprised, particularly given that she has several strong objections to changing it. It would very much change the nature of the RP and I don't think that's what she wants.
And as for Inferno Cop, the hypocrisy from you continues. You're basically saying "NO HE CAN'T USE HIS POWERS WHEN IT WOULD INCONVIENENCE US EVER!" which is blatantly godmoding. You don't make the rules Mike. Neither do I.
I'm saying that it is deeply unfair to have a character that was introduced as an OP joke character act seriously but still be allowed to be OP. And, arresting them is serious because it has significant consequences for them.
But, yes, you're right that it's not our decision, it's Elf's decision. And Names' decision as to whether he does it in the first place. I said he shouldn't be allowed not that he isn't allowed....
Inferno Cop can do his thing without busting out the bullshit OP abilities, Mike. The fact that you believe him making things awkward for your characters is a bad thing is actually offensive for me. This is a roleplay, not a world where everything goes right and everyone's nice and happy and you can have all the badly written sex you want. Tense situations bring about character growth. Loss brings character growth. Having to deal with shit you don't want to deal with brings character growth. I'm not telling you to kill off your characters, but if you don't want to deal with something inconvenient IC, then that's your problem, not ours.
Getting arrested and thrown in a cell makes RPing difficult.
Tension and tense situations are fine, but as someone who is deeply Chaotic in nature I find it rather worrying to have a cop running around who can arrest two of the most powerful characters in the RP in the house of one of them. It makes following the law almost required, and I don't think that's a good thing (particularly since if he can arrest them he can arrest the actual bad guys).
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Inferno Cop can do his thing without busting out the bullshit OP abilities, Mike. The fact that you believe him making things awkward for your characters is a bad thing is actually offensive for me. This is a roleplay, not a world where everything goes right and everyone's nice and happy and you can have all the badly written sex you want. Tense situations bring about character growth. Loss brings character growth. Having to deal with shit you don't want to deal with brings character growth. I'm not telling you to kill off your characters, but if you don't want to deal with something inconvenient IC, then that's your problem, not ours.
EDIT: Don't know why I mentioned that person, must've been a typo or something or maybe me secretly fantasizing.
This. What you want to do mike is basically write fanfiction. Then write the fucking fanfiction. You don't always get to come out on top.
Getting arrested and thrown in a cell makes RPing difficult.
Not really. I'm not having any problems.
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No, but nor should you guys always get to come out on top. Inferno Cop is at a significant disadvantage at the moment, he's in Satoshi's house and Satoshi has backup (potentially Alter as well as Rider). So, if he can manage to arrest them by force now he's going to be able to arrest just about anyone.
Also, Rider can't really be imprisoned anyway, not without pulling some serious shit out of your ass. And I would expect Satoshi to be difficult to transfer, especially with Rider trying to free him.
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All I can say to your protest is: Too bad.
This isn't THE LAW. This is a character acting like himself. You don't like it? Too. Bad. None of the RP's rules are being broken. Breaking the law is your choice, and being imprisoned is the consequence. If you don't like it, deal with it. You can't ask for us to disregard or get rid of things you don't like, especially since the Nexus isn't some lawless zone where you can do whatever the hell you want.
And you're assuming that your position guarantees your safety. That's wrong. It's entirely possible for Inferno Cop to do his thing despite his disadvantages. I'm sure even in any other situation you'd be protesting.
And we haven't always come out on top. Lawrence got away from the entire team just by breaking down our car. It took Axe Cop all day to drag Lawrence to jail, and the crazy arrancar chick ran off without him being able to do anything about it. We're not the OP ones here, Mike. You and lantz are, although not to the extent that Magos seems to think.
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My point is that if Inferno Cop can arrest them in this situation then he is OP, and that is very definitely not a good thing for the RP. This is not real life, all of our characters are going to necessarily end up breaking the law in order to RP. It should not be impossible for them to do so.
And, how the hell can we be OP when you're stating that Inferno Cop can beat both of us on Satoshi's home ground?
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My point is that if Inferno Cop can arrest them in this situation then he is OP, and that is very definitely not a good thing for the RP. This is not real life, all of our characters are going to necessarily end up breaking the law in order to RP. It should not be impossible for them to do so.
And, how the hell can we be OP when you're stating that Inferno Cop can beat both of us on Satoshi's home ground?
I think you're forgetting that Raul will be raising merry hell because this situation is his bread and butter. Demons love chaos like this. Infrastructure falls, happy Demons dance on the ashes.
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You're not the one who decides who is OP, Mike. Neither are we, but we're certainly going to keep voicing our opinions. And no, your characters getting arrested is in no way bad for the RP. It's only bad for you, since to you the police are the equivalent of abusive shitheads and you refuse to see them as anything but. There's also nothing keeping your characters from breaking the law. Just know that if you do, and the Cops hear about it, they'll be after you like they're supposed to. So really, this is another exercise in realism. Actions have consequences, especially illegal ones.
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Having police enforce their will on the RP is definitely a bad thing for the RP. Of course actions have consequences, but those consequences should be reasonable and something we can deal with, not a super-powered police force that we cannot possibly avoid.
And, frankly, whilst I do indeed not decide what is OP, it is blindingly obvious that if someone is OP and someone else is stronger than them, then that someone else is also OP.
Also, if we were interested in realism then we wouldn't have characters like Forest and Rider. Real-life laws don't make sense when you're dealing with supernatural beings....
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It says something to me when you think following the law is unreasonable.
Mike, you're biased. You hate laws and Lawful stuff so of course you think it's the worst. Well too bad. Not everyone can be a nice Chaotic chuckle-fuck and prance around kicking the hordes of endless evil vampires and having sex with other similarly Chaotic free spirits while waxing poetic about how amazing their family is and how perfect their mom and dad are and how they belong with each other forever and ever. The only one who thinks the police characters are bad is you, and maybe lantz now that Inferno Cop's showed up to shit on his magic castle. But at least lantz is dealing with the police instead of getting angry OOC and complaining about it.
And it's a good thing we have made up laws to deal with made up things, isn't it?
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Having police enforce their will on the RP is definitely a bad thing for the RP. Of course actions have consequences, but those consequences should be reasonable and something we can deal with, not a super-powered police force that we cannot possibly avoid.
And, frankly, whilst I do indeed not decide what is OP, it is blindingly obvious that if someone is OP and someone else is stronger than them, then that someone else is also OP.
Also, if we were interested in realism then we wouldn't have characters like Forest and Rider. Real-life laws don't make sense when you're dealing with supernatural beings....
Oh really?
Do you know what the greatest enemy of Vampires in the World of Darkness is? It's the cops! Murder is investigated, and so is corruption and black mail, vampiric go to's for upholding their veil of secrecy. Cops are also very likely to go Hunter, and use police resources to hunt down supernatural offenders if they can. Hell, the FBI has a unit, VASCU, dedicated to bringing supernatural serial killers to justice. And they have a rather decent success rate. They bring Werewolves (Supernatural killing machines), Mages (Reality Altering dicks), Slashers (Jason on Steroids), Changelings, Fey, Spirits, and more to justice. And keep them in custody.
Basically you're full of shit.
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It says something to me when you think following the law is unreasonable.
Mike, you're biased. You hate laws and Lawful stuff so of course you think it's the worst. Well too bad. Not everyone can be a nice Chaotic chuckle-fuck and prance around kicking the hordes of endless evil vampires and having sex with other similarly Chaotic free spirits while waxing poetic about how amazing their family is and how perfect their mom and dad are and how they belong with each other forever and ever. The only one who thinks the police characters are bad is you, and maybe lantz now that Inferno Cop's showed up to shit on his magic castle. But at least lantz is dealing with the police instead of getting angry OOC and complaining about it.
And it's a good thing we have made up laws to deal with made up things, isn't it?
Being forced to follow the law in an RP like this is absolutely unreasonable. It makes no damn sense to have Rider forced to drive at 30 MPH, or for them to be made to avoid killing villains unless the police tell them to.
And, the problem is that your made-up laws are way too damn strict, and massively limit what everyone can do in the RP.
Having police characters is fine, having police characters that are more powerful than everyone else really isn't.
Having police enforce their will on the RP is definitely a bad thing for the RP. Of course actions have consequences, but those consequences should be reasonable and something we can deal with, not a super-powered police force that we cannot possibly avoid.
And, frankly, whilst I do indeed not decide what is OP, it is blindingly obvious that if someone is OP and someone else is stronger than them, then that someone else is also OP.
Also, if we were interested in realism then we wouldn't have characters like Forest and Rider. Real-life laws don't make sense when you're dealing with supernatural beings....
Oh really?
Do you know what the greatest enemy of Vampires in the World of Darkness is? It's the cops! Murder is investigated, and so is corruption and black mail, vampiric go to's for upholding their veil of secrecy. Cops are also very likely to go Hunter, and use police resources to hunt down supernatural offenders if they can. Hell, the FBI has a unit, VASCU, dedicated to bringing supernatural serial killers to justice. And they have a rather decent success rate. They bring Werewolves (Supernatural killing machines), Mages (Reality Altering dicks), Slashers (Jason on Steroids), Changelings, Fey, Spirits, and more to justice. And keep them in custody.
Basically you're full of shit.
The thing is, though, this is not the same thing. What he's saying is that the heroes should be limited to only using lawful methods to act, and anyone breaking that will be taken out by a super-powered really OP police force. I don't think that's a good thing at all.
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The only laws I've even mentioned are either real life laws about speeding (which Rider could get around by running since surprise, there's no law about that), the law that lets me enter a building if I know there's a criminal inside, and the one about not releasing city-wide waves of super ghostly energy without a license, because it gets tiring if you have super powered ghosts doing that every five minutes while normal citizens are trying to sleep. So no, I haven't been strict at all.
EDIT: And for the last time: The police are not OP. Only you think they are.
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For the record, we're not in Satoshi's house. We're in the courtyard. There is specifically one knight nearby, and Rider is still futzing about inside IIRC.
We're not in his bastion of power, we're about twenty feet from it, and he is currently alone.
Saying "Inferno Cop can't beat him unless he is OP" in this situation is a tad bit on the unreasonable side.
And if the Police just futzes around being weak fucks incapable of fighting criminals and gets condemned for even trying OOC, then what the fuck are we even doing. Mite as well go around taking shits in people's cereal and call it police action for how much of a point we have in the RP.
Hey Magos, is the next WoD session this week or next week? You said two weeks about something, but is that "two weeks' break" or "next session in two weeks?"
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Being forced to follow the law in an RP like this is absolutely unreasonable. It makes no damn sense to have Rider forced to drive at 30 MPH, or for them to be made to avoid killing villains unless the police tell them to.
And, the problem is that your made-up laws are way too damn strict, and massively limit what everyone can do in the RP.
Having police characters is fine, having police characters that are more powerful than everyone else really isn't.
The thing is, though, this is not the same thing. What he's saying is that the heroes should be limited to only using lawful methods to act, and anyone breaking that will be taken out by a super-powered really OP police force. I don't think that's a good thing at all.
Oh, no, they can still do this. They can still speed, kill people, and all that good jazz. They don't HAVE to follow the law. They can always break it, and there are of course some murders and shit the cops can't cover (See vampire killings, werewolves etc.)
And also Satoshi DID BREAK THE FUCKING LAW HARDCORE. HE COMMITTED GRAND THEFT! He also violated zoning, building code, and property laws, homeowners association regulations, and much much more! These aren't made up laws. These are actual things. He's a criminal on the state and local level, if not federal.
Face it Mike, this is something that cops would respond to.
And you aren't restricted to acting chaotically, but you have to acknowledge that you'll need to be somewhat smart about it. IE you can shoot the bad guy, but you'd better make sure that you're careful with the brass. And you might need to dispose of the body.
Also, next Sunday. Because my final is on monday.
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The only laws I've even mentioned are either real life laws about speeding (which Rider could get around by running since surprise, there's no law about that), the law that lets me enter a building if I know there's a criminal inside, and the one about not releasing city-wide waves of super ghostly energy without a license, because it gets tiring if you have super powered ghosts doing that every five minutes while normal citizens are trying to sleep. So no, I haven't been strict at all.
She shouldn't have to run in order to get around the law, though, and nor would she.
EDIT: And for the last time: The police are not OP. Only you think they are.
Well, the way you're making it out that they could easily take Satoshi makes it sound like they are.
For the record, we're not in Satoshi's house. We're in the courtyard. There is specifically one knight nearby, and Rider is still futzing about inside IIRC.
We're not in his bastion of power, we're about twenty feet from it, and he is currently alone.
Saying "Inferno Cop can't beat him unless he is OP" in this situation is a tad bit on the unreasonable side.
Well, if Inferno Cop can beat Satoshi without him having the chance to call for help or get back into the castle then he's OP, yeah. Being able to win the fight, sure, but being able to prevent there even being a fight with someone of Satoshi's level would definitely make him OP.
And if the Police just futzes around being weak fucks incapable of fighting criminals and gets condemned for even trying OOC, then what the fuck are we even doing. Mite as well go around taking shits in people's cereal and call it police action for how much of a point we have in the RP.
Well, dealing with actual bad guys rather than building permit violations and speeding offences....
But, no, there's nothing wrong with attempting to enforce the law, I'm just rather worried about their power. The police generally have the advantage of authority and being trusted by most citizens (even Chaotic people won't usually fight the police unless the police come after them directly or are being abusive), if you make them more powerful than everyone else as well then it does limit the ability of everyone who isn't in the police force to do anything beyond sitting there and talking.
Being forced to follow the law in an RP like this is absolutely unreasonable. It makes no damn sense to have Rider forced to drive at 30 MPH, or for them to be made to avoid killing villains unless the police tell them to.
And, the problem is that your made-up laws are way too damn strict, and massively limit what everyone can do in the RP.
Having police characters is fine, having police characters that are more powerful than everyone else really isn't.
The thing is, though, this is not the same thing. What he's saying is that the heroes should be limited to only using lawful methods to act, and anyone breaking that will be taken out by a super-powered really OP police force. I don't think that's a good thing at all.
Oh, no, they can still do this. They can still speed, kill people, and all that good jazz. They don't HAVE to follow the law. They can always break it, and there are of course some murders and shit the cops can't cover (See vampire killings, werewolves etc.)
Yes, but an RP version of Porridge isn't going to be much fun to play....
And also Satoshi DID BREAK THE FUCKING LAW HARDCORE. HE COMMITTED GRAND THEFT! He also violated zoning, building code, and property laws, homeowners association regulations, and much much more! These aren't made up laws. These are actual things. He's a criminal on the state and local level, if not federal.
Face it Mike, this is something that cops would respond to.
Yeah, sure, I don't deny that.
The issue is more that they are really powerful as far as I can tell. Maybe I am just getting the wrong impression, but the way they're being talked about it sounds like they could annihilate Satoshi, and he is one of the most powerful characters in the RP at the moment.
And you aren't restricted to acting chaotically, but you have to acknowledge that you'll need to be somewhat smart about it. IE you can shoot the bad guy, but you'd better make sure that you're careful with the brass. And you might need to dispose of the body.
The thing is, though, if you're in the middle of a battle to save the city you don't have time to worry about crap like that.
Although, to be fair, Sakura and family are used to that. Whilst they can use mind-alteration to remove memories of an event, it is generally much easier to prevent the event being witnessed in the first place. The way they cover it up is different but the principle is the same.
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Well, the way you're making it out that they could easily take Satoshi makes it sound like they are.
Well, if Inferno Cop can beat Satoshi without him having the chance to call for help or get back into the castle then he's OP, yeah. Being able to win the fight, sure, but being able to prevent there even being a fight with someone of Satoshi's level would definitely make him OP.
Well, dealing with actual bad guys rather than building permit violations and speeding offences....
But, no, there's nothing wrong with attempting to enforce the law, I'm just rather worried about their power. The police generally have the advantage of authority and being trusted by most citizens (even Chaotic people won't usually fight the police unless the police come after them directly or are being abusive), if you make them more powerful than everyone else as well then it does limit the ability of everyone who isn't in the police force to do anything beyond sitting there and talking.
Yeah, sure, I don't deny that.
The issue is more that they are really powerful as far as I can tell. Maybe I am just getting the wrong impression, but the way they're being talked about it sounds like they could annihilate Satoshi, and he is one of the most powerful characters in the RP at the moment.
The thing is, though, if you're in the middle of a battle to save the city you don't have time to worry about crap like that.
Although, to be fair, Sakura and family are used to that. Whilst they can use mind-alteration to remove memories of an event, it is generally much easier to prevent the event being witnessed in the first place. The way they cover it up is different but the principle is the same.
No, they can't easily do it as Suetoshi is OP as fuck, and I'm sure Lantz will just give him a new power. Inferno Cop could just punch him hard enough to knock him out though if he resists arrest. Or call in back up - and not everything Cops do is hunting down criminals. Most calls they get are about stupid shit, and they still have to answer it. The Castle is obviously breaking a law and is a pretty damn open and shut case. Dealing with it now would be easier.
And you seem to also be implying the police are omnipresent and omnipotent. They aren't. There's still plenty of room for characters to do shit. You're just whining because now you can't go on a power trip with them. The Don is currently above the law, why not start to try and bring him down?
Also, fucking with minds is in no way good. At all. That's tantamount to rape. So you're saying that Sakura's family commits rape on a regular basis? I should have known...
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No, they can't easily do it as Suetoshi is OP as fuck, and I'm sure Lantz will just give him a new power. Inferno Cop could just punch him hard enough to knock him out though if he resists arrest. Or call in back up - and not everything Cops do is hunting down criminals. Most calls they get are about stupid shit, and they still have to answer it. The Castle is obviously breaking a law and is a pretty damn open and shut case. Dealing with it now would be easier.
OK, what? So, Satoshi is OP as fuck because an apparently not-OP character can't easily arrest him?
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever unless you're claiming they are OP theirselves.
And you seem to also be implying the police are omnipresent and omnipotent. They aren't. There's still plenty of room for characters to do shit. You're just whining because now you can't go on a power trip with them. The Don is currently above the law, why not start to try and bring him down?
It's not a "power trip", it's being expected to follow arbitrary and pointless laws.
Also, fucking with minds is in no way good. At all. That's tantamount to rape. So you're saying that Sakura's family commits rape on a regular basis? I should have known...
Have you actually read FSN...?
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1) I never said inferno cop had to believe Satoshi so Arch is a liar.
2) Satoshi has attacked no one unless attacked (this refers to physical altercations)
3) it is possible (or it would be if not for Angra's taint) very much so for inferno cop to defeat Satoshi under normal circumstances because Satoshi has a personal weakness about fighting fairly. Of course he secluded himself to avoid fighting in his current state (in which he's more of a sledge hammer) to protect innocent people.
4) Satoshi is strong but he can be beaten, of course since I'm clearly being targeted I'm not going to reveal how to defeat his numerous powers.
5) jail only works if character development can happen (which is why I strongly objected to bottling Angra
6) this is something that has bugged me for a while. How is it that Raul is a demon who is oblivious to the evil emanating from the castle?
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OK, what? So, Satoshi is OP as fuck because an apparently not-OP character can't easily arrest him?
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever unless you're claiming they are OP theirselves.
It's not a "power trip", it's being expected to follow arbitrary and pointless laws.
Have you actually read FSN...?
No, I'm pointing out that it wouldn't be easy to arrest him even if they were OP. Because Lantz would refuse to allow Suetoshi to be arrested. Like he is now. It won't be easy for them to arrest them, but it shouldn't be impossible either, like you seem to be implying they are.
And they aren't arbitrary or pointless laws; a majority of laws are put in place to protect the general populace.
And yes I HAVE read FSN and the mindmemory thing is treated as being rather sketchy as shit. Which it should be. Fucking with someone's mind is akin to overwriting bits of who they are. It's not a power to pull out lightly, if at all. You're basically altering who they are.
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I find it funny that Mike brought up Inferno Cop's powerlevel as a cop and status as a joke character and how him beating up Satoshi (who is high on the nasuverse powerscale, I guess) would make him OP despite his universe's powerscale being far different and with him on top rather like some other characters in the RP like especially the bleach crowd, and yet...
We're not even fighting. The fact Inferno Cop is the strongest idiot (emphasis on this word) in nexus city and could wreck everyone if he grew a brain is not in play right now, and even if it is it's only on a hypothetical level. We haven't escalated to violence, Lantz hasn't made Satoshi start resisting arrest, Inferno Cop hasn't even brought up arrest, and Inferno Cop isn't going to shoot up everything nearby and kill everyone like he has in the past because a T-shirt salesman told him his shirts were "limitied edition".
This entire argument is jumping the gun like crazy.
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1) I never said inferno cop had to believe Satoshi so Arch is a liar.
6) this is something that has bugged me for a while. How is it that Raul is a demon who is oblivious to the evil emanating from the castle?
You acted in thread and blatantly said 'Oh he'll believe me, because he's a retard.'
As for 6... did you even READ his profile?
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Well names, Satoshi would resist but only because Angra is making him
I never said that Arch, quit lying
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Well names, Satoshi would resist but only because Angra is making him
I never said that Arch, quit lying
Aaaaand I'll dig through it and point out that you pretty much said 'Oh, now Inferno Cop will ignore him.'
And you still didn't answer the question of 'Did you read Raul's sheet.'
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Arch, even I have no idea why he wouldn't sense the evil shit and I've read Raul's sheet like 5 times. Mind elaborating for the rest of us?
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Arch, even I have no idea why he wouldn't sense the evil shit and I've read Raul's sheet like 5 times. Mind elaborating for the rest of us?
First off, the power isn't in his sheet is it?
Second, who ever said demons worked like that...
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Oh right, he isn't anime, I keep forgetting. Sorry bro, but pretty much every anime character at least once has said something like "I can feel the evil that X exudes!" or "Dammit, that thing is making me shiver just be being near it!" so I kind of assumed it was a stock power everyone has. (Axe Cop has his antennas, so he gets it from there.)
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No, I'm pointing out that it wouldn't be easy to arrest him even if they were OP. Because Lantz would refuse to allow Suetoshi to be arrested. Like he is now. It won't be easy for them to arrest them, but it shouldn't be impossible either, like you seem to be implying they are.
I never said it should be impossible, but I wouldn't expect Inferno Cop to be able to do it alone (although Rider will be a bit busy with Angra I think...).
And they aren't arbitrary or pointless laws; a majority of laws are put in place to protect the general populace.
They are when applied to people like Sakura and Rider, who are not normal people.
And yes I HAVE read FSN and the mindmemory thing is treated as being rather sketchy as shit. Which it should be. Fucking with someone's mind is akin to overwriting bits of who they are. It's not a power to pull out lightly, if at all. You're basically altering who they are.
It is treated as somewhat sketchy, yes, but it's also made abundantly clear that even good magi do it on a reasonably regular basis. The problem is that the only alternative is to kill the person in question, which is worse.
I doubt they would particularly like doing it, but they would rather do it than endanger someone's life, and they also put each other first, so if one of them is threatened and the only way to deal with that is mind-wiping the police or whoever then they will do so.
I find it funny that Mike brought up Inferno Cop's powerlevel as a cop and status as a joke character and how him beating up Satoshi (who is high on the nasuverse powerscale, I guess) would make him OP despite his universe's powerscale being far different and with him on top rather like some other characters in the RP like especially the bleach crowd, and yet...
Well, the thing is that this is only one universe right now, so the power level of the RP as a whole is what matters. Bringing in characters that are way above everyone else and cannot be stopped is a problem, particularly if they start enforcing their will on others.
We're not even fighting. The fact Inferno Cop is the strongest idiot (emphasis on this word) in nexus city and could wreck everyone if he grew a brain is not in play right now, and even if it is it's only on a hypothetical level. We haven't escalated to violence, Lantz hasn't made Satoshi start resisting arrest, Inferno Cop hasn't even brought up arrest, and Inferno Cop isn't going to shoot up everything nearby and kill everyone like he has in the past because a T-shirt salesman told him his shirts were "limitied edition".
This entire argument is jumping the gun like crazy.
Yeah, I guess.
I suppose I'm taking a longer-term view on this, and adding in my usual anarchistic approach to everything....
You acted in thread and blatantly said 'Oh he'll believe me, because he's a retard.'
That was Lantz's/Satoshi's opinion, though, not a statement of what actually will happen.
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It was my statement of the action Satoshi would take mike. As I said inferno cop is free to not believe my characters
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Mike, here's the thing with the law - it applies to everyone. It doesn't matter if you're normal or not, the law is the fucking LAW. Quit going all anarchist all the time please and realize that if the magical FBI can arrest and charge supernaturals on the same basis as normal people, then your argument doesn't work. If VASCU can bring the law to beings, who according to your argument, are above the law, then the law applies to everyone.
And Inferno Cop can always call for back up.
Also this bit makes me laugh:
Well, the thing is that this is only one universe right now, so the power level of the RP as a whole is what matters. Bringing in characters that are way above everyone else and cannot be stopped is a problem, particularly if they start enforcing their will on others.
Because Suetoshi totally violates this.
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Mike, here's the thing with the law - it applies to everyone. It doesn't matter if you're normal or not, the law is the fucking LAW. Quit going all anarchist all the time please and realize that if the magical FBI can arrest and charge supernaturals on the same basis as normal people, then your argument doesn't work. If VASCU can bring the law to beings, who according to your argument, are above the law, then the law applies to everyone.
Laws exist to protect people, though, at least in principle. If the law is not necessary to protect people then it should not exist. Supernatural beings are special cases that can do things a normal person cannot, so they do not need to be restricted in the same way in at least some situations.
Well, the thing is that this is only one universe right now, so the power level of the RP as a whole is what matters. Bringing in characters that are way above everyone else and cannot be stopped is a problem, particularly if they start enforcing their will on others.
Because Suetoshi totally violates this.
Well, Lantz isn't imposing his will on others, though. Also, he's not way above everyone else, Rider could probably defeat him if he didn't have a roof to collapse and I hadn't been aiming to lose the fight.
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I'm not going to get into a philosophical shit in this, but Mike, that's blatantly wrong morally speaking.
Anyway, so are you two going to fuck again? Seriously?!
Also NACHOS POST PLEASE!
Edit: Also, Rider shouldn't be that hot and bothered for a being of pure evil that reminds her way too much of her time as the legendary monster. Just saying. Even if she's punishing her, it wouldn't be a sexual thing as much as "MUAHAHAHA SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT BITCH" thing.
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I'm not going to get into a philosophical shit in this, but Mike, that's blatantly wrong morally speaking.
No, it's not.
Laws exist only to protect people, therefore there is no sense in making someone who can react far faster than a normal human and drive far better follow normal human speed limits. Similarly, Shirou, Sakura etc. act to protect ordinary people from dangerous entities in a way that the normal police cannot, so it is stupid to enforce laws on them that reduce their chance to do so.
Anyway, so are you two going to fuck again? Seriously?!
It seems like it, lol.
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Rider can beat him, especially in the case of his dark version.
and as for the sex, maybe yeah
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Rider can beat him, especially in the case of his dark version.
and as for the sex, maybe yeah
...What?
Dude, if he can beat Gilgamesh, has fucking magic, and all that jazz, then he shouldn't lose to Rider.
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Situational combat, this is the truth of the nasuverse and every superhero book ever.
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So, if Raul catches him off guard, he's fucked?
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Sneak attacks are Caster and Arc's weaknesses, not Satoshi's...
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Which doesn't make sense, as if he can't defend against an attack and is also weak enough to be killed by Rider, then a sneak attack should kill him rather easily.
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Which doesn't make sense, as if he can't defend against an attack and is also weak enough to be killed by Rider, then a sneak attack should kill him rather easily.
Rider is not weak.
The difference is presumably in how they fight. Plus the fact that Toshi trained for a long time to beat Gil specifically.
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Then there's a good point in that the style that Raul uses is one Satoshi would have no defense against.
And I never stated Rider was weak, but compared to other 5th War Servants... she really doesn't stack up well.
Then there's the fact that you can't defend against an attack you don't see coming.
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Situational combat has nothing to do with power levels.
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And in situational combat, such as a sneak attack, Satoshi doesn't have either time to react or defend. If he's not strong enough to defeat Rider one on one even with regeneration, I doubt he can defeat a being made for combat with a style of fighting and attack both alien and unexpected to him.
So basically, he should be fucked when it comes to sneak attacks, like everyone is.
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Stop claiming things incorrectly Arch. Further you don't understand the character if you think that he can't defend or that even if he couldn't he would die from a sneak attack. Besides that Raul can't use flight to enact a sneak attack.
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Stop claiming things incorrectly Arch. Further you don't understand the character if you think that he can't defend or that even if he couldn't he would die from a sneak attack. Besides that Raul can't use flight to enact a sneak attack.
Why not? He could glide, or just drop to the ground, and shank a bitch, and then dismember him limb from limb like he does with other Angels, so they can't regenerate either.
And it's flat out impossible to defend against something you can't see coming, and if you forgot, Raul is an assassin. He's a master of attacking when you can't see it coming.
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immunity to the elements
the source of this is pacts with the elemental spirits. In short the air tells him you're coming.
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Magos, the rules of the RP are clear, you do not get to kill people's characters without their permission, and stuff like this is why.
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immunity to the elements
the source of this is pacts with the elemental spirits. In short the air tells him you're coming.
That still doesn't... how... what?
That's blatantly OP. That's so fucking OP. How doesn't he even know about Raul then? Why doesn't he point him out? Why hasn't he?
Oh, and there's still the fact that he has no experience with anything like Raul ever. Plus there's the exploits and embeds. Enjoy reality bitchslapping you.
EDIT:
For that matter, that isn't how IMMUNITY TO THE ELEMENTS SHOULD FUCKING WORK. IMMUNITY MEANS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T EFFECT HIM, NOT HELP HIM.
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So, after a long time deliberating, I decided I'll be joining this crazy ride as well.
Posted my profile for this: anti-magic killer robot from far in the future sanjou!
Please review. :3 Be gentle...
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Immunity has a source, this is Satoshi's source. End of story.
welcome to it Kaiza
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Not bad KAIZA. Hitchhike with Old Man Henderson, or whatever. He's more than willing as long as you're alright with Rupert.
Except lantz... that doesn't make sense. At all. Then it isn't 'Immunity from the Elements.' It'd be 'Alliance with the Elements'. There's a total difference here, and that power is also so blatantly overpowered it isn't even funny.
For that matter, very little of Satoshi's abilities are even defined at all. Additionally, how is it that Satoshi can be defeated by Rider in combat while having... what was it, several thousand years of experience plus their raw stat difference? Unless Rider brings out Pegasus, which is seriously destructive when used with Bellerophon, I don't see how he'd lose.
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As I said before Arch, numbers do not matter. Power levels are pointless
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*Facepalm X 101029823*
That isn't an explanation, because he should have enough experience to negate a situational disadvantage.
For that matter, you seem to be refusing to clarify what exactly Satoshi's abilities are. At all. I'm questioning this at face value - how do we know you aren't just fucking with us when you say he can do something? His profile never mentioned the 'Immune to surprise attacks' aspect of the horribly misnamed Immunity to the Elements. Clarification to exactly what he can do would be welcome for all.
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He's not immune to surprise attacks, his situational awareness is reinforced by it. This means that instantly killing him as assassins are famed for doing is next to impossible, massive damage sure but as shown in swords and sorcery he's spent time dealing with assassins so he's obviously become quite a league or five better at dealing with them.
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Yeah sorry guys, been out drinking with friends and shit and can't RP post tonight.
though an inferno cop rp post like this mite b coo
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He's not immune to surprise attacks, his situational awareness is reinforced by it. This means that instantly killing him as assassins are famed for doing is next to impossible, massive damage sure but as shown in swords and sorcery he's spent time dealing with assassins so he's obviously become quite a league or five better at dealing with them.
...Except this hasn't been shown. At all.
And you're still not answering the main question Lantz.
And Nachos? Do eeeet!
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Woah nelly is angra gettin banged or something
also
>using "ample bosom" in third person narration
omnipotent narrator haz bonar guyz
@arch magiso:
Eh dunno, maybe
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Nachos, you need to drunk post more it's hilarious.
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Getting drunk just so I can post drunk on a forum would be p sad though, I'll stivk to irl friend gatherings first, then posting
Didn't drink nthat much mind you, ain't even drunk. Just a little wibbly wobbly
Oh, and apparently have a girlfriend now. Sweet
Anyway ye Rider is banging Angry whatecr, which is weird because she ain't the Angra that fucked up the Sak even though Rider said she is, but whatevs this means that even if Satoshit and Inferno Sexcop start fighting Rider won't show up anyway
whcih I think means Mike is telling me to go ahead and buttfuck Satoshi
Joke's on you I don't do shit people subtly tell me to
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Nachos, I love you.
No homo.
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yea bro it's coo
I love you too
no homo
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yea bro it's coo
I love you too
no homo
Congrats on the GF man. Don't pull a Satoshi on her.
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what, be supes desperate and beg her to bang me again later because I might need it?
I'll be good on that front bro
I have all of this experience on the internet backing me up
(last bit was a joke)
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Wow, you're really drunk man. Get some sleep.
Also, I meant not getting her off. Don't do that shit yo.
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I really ain't that drunk. Proof: I'm still writing like a human being.
And that thing really goes without saying.
Anyway I'll get that RP post done sometime tomorrow, maybe.
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I really ain't that drunk. Proof: I'm still writing like a human being.
And that thing really goes without saying.
Anyway I'll get that RP post done sometime tomorrow, maybe.
Good to know, not exactly psychic here.
And you'd better get it done.
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Anyway ye Rider is banging Angry whatecr, which is weird because she ain't the Angra that fucked up the Sak even though Rider said she is, but whatevs this means that even if Satoshit and Inferno Sexcop start fighting Rider won't show up anyway
Well, it's not the "same" Angra but it's still Angra. Plus, Rider is a sadist, so she finds the idea of torturing someone enjoyable, and her morals aren't as strong as Sakura or Shirou, at least when dealing with people who aren't her friends. And, Angra is hardly the nicest person who ever lived, which means Rider is less likely to sympathise with her.
Still, I am wondering how Rider should act from here. She's a sadist but she's not evil, and Angra is acting rather sympathetically right now. I would like her to have fun with Angra, though, because it's hot....
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Go ahead and let her have her fun.
Gonna be taking a final soon guys, wish me luck!
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Go ahead and let her have her fun.
Well, it's a matter of characterisation. Rider is sadistic but not evil. And Angra hasn't done anything bad that she's aware of yet.
Gonna be taking a final soon guys, wish me luck!
Good luck.
And, what in?
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Go ahead and let her have her fun.
Well, it's a matter of characterisation. Rider is sadistic but not evil. And Angra hasn't done anything bad that she's aware of yet.
Gonna be taking a final soon guys, wish me luck!
Good luck.
And, what in?
Western Civ.
And you know her 'Punishment' can just be sexy times.
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And you know her 'Punishment' can just be sexy times.
What? Whose punishment?
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He means Angra I think. Also, good luck with your final, Magos! :D
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Well, remember Rider is a sadist. If she has a captive girl she's going to fuck then "gentle" isn't really her style....
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Yes, and?
Just do it mike.
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Good luck with the final, Arch.
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Good luck with the final, Arch.
Already done. :D
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Already done. :D
...good luck with having a lenient marker, Arch.
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Yes, and?
Just do it mike.
I'm just wondering how she'd progress. Plus, I have to reply to Alice, too.
Good luck with the final, Arch.
Already done. :D
How'd it go?
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It was western civ, I could do it in my sleep. Besides, I only needed 20 points to get an A, I got that easily. Few tricky questions, but nothing I couldn't handle.
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KAIZA- Character approved!
Mord- I'll approve Luffy, but be fore warned, watch your shinanigans. Also, summoning him as a Rider is going to be rather impossible. There's no Grail War here.
And Mil- I think Downy has just met his worse possible enemy.
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OK, I've edited out Kiyoshi's post because I had promised something to Alice and I went back on it and it causes her problems. I'll fix it and put it back.
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OK, I've put Kiyoshi's post back in.
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KAIZA- Character approved!
Mord- I'll approve Luffy, but be fore warned, watch your shinanigans. Also, summoning him as a Rider is going to be rather impossible. There's no Grail War here.
And Mil- I think Downy has just met his worse possible enemy.
Henderson will also have words about the Monster Rave. Punctuated by shotgun blasts and cries of MUCKLE DARNED CULTISTS!
EDIT: Also, Angra is as strong as a normal human. How'd she snap the bindings?
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Like all supernatural whatnots she's stronger than that and it's just regular rope.
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...Her strength stat is E-. AKA human level.
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>Shirou
>ever letting someone he isn't fucking cook for him
>sweat-drop used as a verb
OPOI what are you doing bro
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The stats do not work the way you think arch, Angra is stronger than a human
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Actually, if it were just a straight E, it'd still be 10 times stronger than a normal human, but with the minus there, she might be... 8 times as strong? I'm not sure, I'm not really sure how the minuses work. But yeah, with Servants, E is ten times as strong as a normal human, D is twenty times, C is thirty times, etc. So he is right there.
I do still feel some of her abilities don't match up to those stats, however. She may be about 8 times stronger than a normal human at everything, but I still stand by the fact that it would be difficult for her to form a separate form from the castle with E- in magic, due to what I suspect would be a massive toll in terms of prana consumption.
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Angra didn't manifest and doesn't support the castle's development, she parasitically taking it over because she's connected to Satoshi. Satoshi cast the spell and is supporting it's further development (there is no upkeep for the basic spell as it would be useless in that case)
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...OK.
Then why does she have a physical form if she isn't manifesting?
Checkmate.
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Don't worry lantz, having sex with a hallucination is kinda hot too.
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Like all supernatural whatnots she's stronger than that and it's just regular rope.
Yeah, I was assuming the ropes were reinforced, since they are designed to bind Rider (I presume), but I guess Toshi doesn't really need to worry about her attempting to escape, and they're his ropes so it makes sense for Lantz to decide....
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I was clearly referring to the castle, it's obvious from the RP and from my previous statement that I was referring to the manifestation of the castle, not her person.
well mike, what reason does he need magic ropes for? Rider is there participating voluntarily.
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Well, Rider is still very strong, she could quite plausibly break the ropes without even trying.
But, yeah, that makes sense.
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ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER
I AM INNOCENT
Seriously though go for the community service. Or the fine, if you're stacked.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how Satoshi would handle this.
Isn't breaking zoning laws and the like a civil offence anyway? And, surely, to prove theft you need to actually know who the stuff belonged to in the first place....
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how Satoshi would handle this.
Isn't breaking zoning laws and the like a civil offence anyway? And, surely, to prove theft you need to actually know who the stuff belonged to in the first place....
Not really in this case, as the land either A), belongs to the city due to eminent domain, or B), to it's legal landlord, which Satoshi isn't. It's still theft. They'll look it up in the records later to determine who he'll be paying fines to and who the land belongs to.
And breaking zoning and building code is serious fucking business. If building code isn't properly followed, then people can die.
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Grand theft has sent peeps to jail
also homeowners are scary sons of bitches, you'll want police protection from all the rabid housewives
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Grand theft has sent peeps to jail
also homeowners are scary sons of bitches, you'll want police protection from all the rabid housewives
Home owners associations give me nightmares.
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The buildings were condemned, almost none of what inferno cop claims is applicable.
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Lantz, even if the buildings are condemned, someone still owns the land they were standing on, and it ain't Toshi.
Personally I have no issue with what Toshi did whatsoever, but there's no way the cop is going to agree with that.
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Lantz, it's only squatting when you use the actual building. And you haven't lived there long enough for Squatters Rights to apply anyway.
Also, poor Ryan, only two days left before retirement.
And thus Raul makes his grand entrance.
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Hmm, I'm not sure you're really meant to just kill the Knights without Lantz having a chance to make them fight back, dodge etc., I think they count as his familiars and, thus, are under his control.
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Hmm, I'm not sure you're really meant to just kill the Knights without Lantz having a chance to make them fight back, dodge etc., I think they count as his familiars and, thus, are under his control.
They're still NPC's, and I don't see how they could avoid anything moving faster than Suetoshi, or something that they can't see coming. Otherwise Lantz would have about 30 characters at the moment, which pretty much entirely violates the rules.
As such I'm treating him as an NPC.
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Pretty much. This is why RAV is for all intents and purposes dead right now. Because she was a nameless NPC that I just happened to control, but she was still to be treated as an NPC. Otherwise, again, like Magos said, it'd be like controlling twenty characters at once. There's a few cases where you can get away with a technicality, like with Ruby, but in most cases, even if the NPC's being controlled by another player, they're still an NPC.
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Satoshi could have prevented it Arch, post intent, not achievement of the goal. Please edit.
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Satoshi could have prevented it Arch, post intent, not achievement of the goal. Please edit.
First - No, as Raul is just as fast, and has the drop on poor Ryan here.
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Dude, this was my plan for Raul ANYWAY, to murder a guard and fly away figuring that he'd just ran into something outside God Machine control since it didn't fight back like an Angel uncovered should have. However, now IC he can't leave as Suetoshi is also an Angel, in Cover, and therefore easy pickings. Not your fault -wait, it kinda is since you were dictating all the castle shit.
Third - No because you can't boss me around like that Lantz.
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Hmm, I'm not sure you're really meant to just kill the Knights without Lantz having a chance to make them fight back, dodge etc., I think they count as his familiars and, thus, are under his control.
They're still NPC's, and I don't see how they could avoid anything moving faster than Suetoshi, or something that they can't see coming. Otherwise Lantz would have about 30 characters at the moment, which pretty much entirely violates the rules.
As such I'm treating him as an NPC.
If they should be treated as NPCs, then so should Ruby be. Ruby is more sentient than they are.
I'm not saying they could dodge, mind, and they certainly don't get immunity to death, but Lantz should get a chance to react.
Pretty much. This is why RAV is for all intents and purposes dead right now. Because she was a nameless NPC that I just happened to control, but she was still to be treated as an NPC. Otherwise, again, like Magos said, it'd be like controlling twenty characters at once. There's a few cases where you can get away with a technicality, like with Ruby, but in most cases, even if the NPC's being controlled by another player, they're still an NPC.
I would say that Satoshi's Knights fall under the same category as Ruby or Kuro. They're not NPCs, they're sentient or semi-sentient entities that are bound to and sustained by an existing character and don't make sense away from that character.
It is somewhat unfair that a character whose abilities include summoning or creating other beings to fight for them gets nerfed because other players can just kill those entities without giving them a chance to act.
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Except that Satoshi, may I remind you, has 10k of these guys just waiting for the switch to be flipped.
It's blatantly unfair to the rest of us if he can have an invincible personal army Mike.
EDIT: For that matter, it'd make sense for a Summoner as they generally can't fight on their own, and need to rely on summons to do their dirty work for them.
Suetoshi doesn't.
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Ok fine, Ryan just won't turn out to have been killed, it's my only recourse here since you plan on ignoring my right to react arch. As for Satoshi being some angel thing it's far less justified then with Lawrence so I won't believe your excuse for Raul sticking around.
names make your post please I want this utter waste of an event over with asap
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Except that Satoshi, may I remind you, has 10k of these guys just waiting for the switch to be flipped.
It's blatantly unfair to the rest of us if he can have an invincible personal army Mike.
That is an issue of Toshi's power, not an issue of the control of his Knights. The Knights are Satoshi's creations and are completely loyal to him. It makes no sense for anyone but Lantz to control them.
Also, the army is no more invincible if Lantz controls it than if you do. You just have to let him respond in a reasonable manner to your actions.
EDIT: For that matter, it'd make sense for a Summoner as they generally can't fight on their own, and need to rely on summons to do their dirty work for them.
Suetoshi doesn't.
That's totally untrue in the context of the Nasuverse. For example, Sakura fights with familiars and also uses other magic.
Ok fine, Ryan just won't turn out to have been killed, it's my only recourse here since you plan on ignoring my right to react arch. As for Satoshi being some angel thing it's far less justified then with Lawrence so I won't believe your excuse for Raul sticking around.
names make your post please I want this utter waste of an event over with asap
Honestly, I think right now we need to wait for Elf to make a GM ruling. You can't just ignore Magos' actions, but nor can he unilaterally decree that he can control your familiars without Elf approving that.
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Ok fine, Ryan just won't turn out to have been killed, it's my only recourse here since you plan on ignoring my right to react arch. As for Satoshi being some angel thing it's far less justified then with Lawrence so I won't believe your excuse for Raul sticking around.
names make your post please I want this utter waste of an event over with asap
...Dude. Did you actually read Raul's in character posts?
This is some spy thriller shit he's involved in - And Satoshi happened to do something that he associated with the God-Machine, which was raising a giant fucking castle in the middle of the city within a few hours. The Knight looks like an Angel, out of cover, so Suetoshi, who exits the castle, looks like he's an Angel in Cover, as the building he exited was suspected Infrastructure. Hence, Raul believes he's an Angel in Cover, the Knight was going to grab other Angels, and Suetoshi is a piss easy target.
All this information was in my posts.
EDIT: Also, Mike, the problem is that Lantz would have just had him dodge or avoid it no matter what I do, despite Raul not only having the advantage of surprise, but also speed, agility and skill. Why? Because Lantz is like that. That's why. Just look at the little hissy fit he's throwing here.
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EDIT: Also, Mike, the problem is that Lantz would have just had him dodge or avoid it no matter what I do, despite Raul not only having the advantage of surprise, but also speed, agility and skill. Why? Because Lantz is like that. That's why. Just look at the little hissy fit he's throwing here.
Regardless of whether that is true or not, it doesn't mean you should be able to control his Knights. You wouldn't let me decree that your weapon was snapped in half by my last attack or that I'd stolen it from you, the same should apply to familiars and the like.
If Lantz does unreasonably refuse to let them die, you are perfectly entitled to complain to Elf about that, but you are not entitled to control his familiars in order to bypass that. You don't know what they are capable of or how they would act in such a situation, so you cannot reasonably RP them.
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I think there should be an additional GM ruling on that army of knights. I honestly think that it's obscenely overpowered to have an enormous army at your disposal whenever you want. It means that the majority of our characters could be defeated by sheer numbers. If Toshi can generate the knights pretty much endlessly, then that's way too much. Add that in with Toshi's invincibility and he's pretty much unstoppable. Which isn't good. At all.
But yeah, let's just wait for Elf on the npc control thing. It probably wouldn't hurt for her to clarify the rules on that anyway.
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Doesn't matter what you believe arch, I have the right to have the PC in the room react to you entering.
it's not invincible. That word has never applied to him
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In this case, not really. Why?
Because there's no time for him to react - Inferno Cop's got his stuff to do as well, and Raul is, in a dive, far faster than Satoshi. He's also got the element of surprise. There's not enough time for Suetoshi to react to Raul suddenly appearing.
I think there should be an additional GM ruling on that army of knights. I honestly think that it's obscenely overpowered to have an enormous army at your disposal whenever you want. It means that the majority of our characters could be defeated by sheer numbers. If Toshi can generate the knights pretty much endlessly, then that's way too much. Add that in with Toshi's invincibility and he's pretty much unstoppable. Which isn't good. At all.
But yeah, let's just wait for Elf on the npc control thing. It probably wouldn't hurt for her to clarify the rules on that anyway.
It is, it's so fucking OP especially with the familiar shit that Lantz is trying to pull now.
EDIT: No, he might not be invincible, but he's the next best thing according to you. Forest couldn't stop him. He tanked a Caldebolg. He can't die. He regenerates at impossible speeds. So for all intents and purposes, he is invincible.
EDIT OF THE EDIT:
Actually due to the fact that he can't fucking die, he IS invincible.
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I think there should be an additional GM ruling on that army of knights. I honestly think that it's obscenely overpowered to have an enormous army at your disposal whenever you want. It means that the majority of our characters could be defeated by sheer numbers. If Toshi can generate the knights pretty much endlessly, then that's way too much. Add that in with Toshi's invincibility and he's pretty much unstoppable. Which isn't good. At all.
But yeah, let's just wait for Elf on the npc control thing. It probably wouldn't hurt for her to clarify the rules on that anyway.
I think it would be deeply unfair on people who use familiar summoning as a weapon, and also inconsistent with what is happening right now. If Magos can control these knights then I can dictate that Ruby becomes suicidal and throws herself on a bonfire.
It also theoretically shouldn't matter. If both players are RPing fairly and have full knowledge then the knights should be no less likely to die if the creator is controlling them than if the opponent is. However, as a basic principle of RPing a player should decide what happens to their weapons, at least as long as they have control over their actions (which is true for familiars etc.).
It is Elf's decision, but I think it would cause problems in the future if people were allowed to control familiars made by other players, and deny that player the right to react to their actions. It is absurd to have a player control a familiar in attack but not in defence.
In this case, not really. Why?
Because there's no time for him to react - Inferno Cop's got his stuff to do as well, and Raul is, in a dive, far faster than Satoshi. He's also got the element of surprise. There's not enough time for Suetoshi to react to Raul suddenly appearing.
Doesn't matter. If you attack my character I still get the chance to decide what happens. You can't claim to have disarmed me without giving me the chance to confirm that, regardless of how quick you are.
Actually due to the fact that he can't fucking die, he IS invincible.
Toshi is, sure (but, then, since you can't force death on him without Lantz's consent anyway, I don't think that matters much), but the knights aren't.
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Exactly, and they're also NPC's. As you can see from earlier, Lantz would just have ignored it, had Ryan miraculously dodge, cure cancer, and become a new one of his characters just because.
For that matter, seeing Raul before he launches his attack and having never indicated it before IC would be what is commonly known as 'Metagaming,' which is bullshit. Raul has the drop on Ryan, there's no doubt about that.
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The point of this is solely the right to react which is what I have the right to do. Regardless of the outcome they are my pawns so to speak so I have the right to describe what happens to them.
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Exactly, and they're also NPC's. As you can see from earlier, Lantz would just have ignored it, had Ryan miraculously dodge, cure cancer, and become a new one of his characters just because.
No, they're not NPCs, any more than Rider's nails are NPCs. They're mechanical constructs that fight on Toshi's behalf.
If you're calling them NPCs then all familiars, sentient weapons are NPCs and should be controllable by the enemy. Which means that fighting as a familiar summoner is extremely unfair because your opponents can decide if your offensive or defensive ability takes damage whilst you cannot do the same for them.
And, for that matter, if Toshi's knights are NPCs then so is Lawrence's Geist (or whatever it's called). You don't have a seperate sheet for him and he doesn't have a character slot, but yet he's a seperate entity with his own thought processes. Therefore by your logic he's an NPC and other people should be able to control him.
For that matter, seeing Raul before he launches his attack and having never indicated it before IC would be what is commonly known as 'Metagaming,' which is bullshit. Raul has the drop on Ryan, there's no doubt about that.
That is another argument entirely. Lantz still should get to react, even if the only logical reaction is to say that the knight is cut in half.
I can see why this could cause issues if you were fighting 50 of the things, and I could sympathise with your argument in that case, but you're not, you're fighting one.
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No, they're not NPCs, any more than Rider's nails are NPCs. They're mechanical constructs that fight on Toshi's behalf.
If you're calling them NPCs then all familiars, sentient weapons are NPCs and should be controllable by the enemy. Which means that fighting as a familiar summoner is extremely unfair because your opponents can decide if your offensive or defensive ability takes damage whilst you cannot do the same for them.
And, for that matter, if Toshi's knights are NPCs then so is Lawrence's Geist (or whatever it's called). You don't have a seperate sheet for him and he doesn't have a character slot, but yet he's a seperate entity with his own thought processes. Therefore by your logic he's an NPC and other people should be able to control him.
The Driver is an intrinsic part of Lawrence. He's like an organ, or Jack's Beast. This is a tricky thing to cover, because while in a way he's an NPC, in a way he's also Lawrence. While you might not be able to control him without controlling Lawrence, he's still able to be targeted or destroyed. Basically, he's part of the Giest package. It's more or less like this - the Sin-Eater is the Geists host. It's a symbiotic relationship, and one all his powers and existence run off of - but you have to get through Lawrence to harm his Geist. He pretty much lives inside Lawrence's soul - hell, he in many ways now IS Lawrence's soul.
And the point of making Lantz's Knights NPC's is because they're as you state, things that fight on his behalf. They aren't familiars, they're fucking soldiers. They aren't something he has a meaningful connection to apart from their taking orders from him. They are in no way like Kuro or the Driver - they aren't even fucking MENTIONED in his backstory.
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No, they're not NPCs, any more than Rider's nails are NPCs. They're mechanical constructs that fight on Toshi's behalf.
If you're calling them NPCs then all familiars, sentient weapons are NPCs and should be controllable by the enemy. Which means that fighting as a familiar summoner is extremely unfair because your opponents can decide if your offensive or defensive ability takes damage whilst you cannot do the same for them.
And, for that matter, if Toshi's knights are NPCs then so is Lawrence's Geist (or whatever it's called). You don't have a seperate sheet for him and he doesn't have a character slot, but yet he's a seperate entity with his own thought processes. Therefore by your logic he's an NPC and other people should be able to control him.
The Driver is an intrinsic part of Lawrence. He's like an organ, or Jack's Beast. This is a tricky thing to cover, because while in a way he's an NPC, in a way he's also Lawrence. While you might not be able to control him without controlling Lawrence, he's still able to be targeted or destroyed. Basically, he's part of the Giest package.
Yeah, my point is that if you're going to say "people can't uniquely control other entities however linked they are to their characters" then that should apply universally and not only to Lantz, as you seem to want it to.
And the point of making Lantz's Knights NPC's is because they're as you state, things that fight on his behalf. They aren't familiars, they're fucking soldiers. Having 10k familiars is broken in so many damn ways.
They are not quite familiars, but they are similar.
And, honestly, I would say that a player should be able to control an army of NPCs that is obedient to them, even if they're self-aware. It doesn't make sense for them not to.
For example, with the Don, he should be able to fully control his goons, rather than having us act on their behalf.
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The knights, to clarify work on ninja logic according to their construction. Ninjas work like this
1 ninja = awesome
50 ninja = dead meat fodder
it continues to reduce from there. The longer Satoshi takes the closer the get to awesome but the ten thousand are just fodder (and were specifically made to hang Archer or Shirou up if they entered the castle.)
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They are not quite familiars, but they are similar.
And, honestly, I would say that a player should be able to control an army of NPCs that is obedient to them, even if they're self-aware. It doesn't make sense for them not to.
For example, with the Don, he should be able to fully control his goons, rather than having us act on their behalf.
Mike, if they aren't familiars he has no right to dictate what happens to them. Kuro and Ruby are obviously familiars, the Knights are just... bullshittingly overpowered.
And the Don's situation is far different, mainly because they're NPCs that any character should be able to interact with, but they aren't PC's. And PC's take priority over NPC's. Look, it's rather complicated, so let's just wait for fucking Elf here.
The knights, to clarify work on ninja logic according to their construction. Ninjas work like this
1 ninja = awesome
50 ninja = dead meat fodder
it continues to reduce from there. The longer Satoshi takes the closer the get to awesome but the ten thousand are just fodder (and were specifically made to hang Archer or Shirou up if they entered the castle.)
And their are 24 of them already. They're already violating the Conservation of Ninja's rule. Hence, this guy is a mook, not a badass.
You shouldn't even get to invoke that sort of logic with these things anyway.
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I just explained how they work and they are stronger than the fodder.
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That just sounds like something you pulled out of your ass Lantz, and I highly suspect it is. Combined with the fact that that isn't how familiars fucking WORK, you're really just grasping for straws here, and trying to say they aren't overpowered.
I'm not buying it. At all. There's no detail or any shit like that thrown in about them ANYWHERE in the RP thread that justifies this.
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They are not quite familiars, but they are similar.
And, honestly, I would say that a player should be able to control an army of NPCs that is obedient to them, even if they're self-aware. It doesn't make sense for them not to.
For example, with the Don, he should be able to fully control his goons, rather than having us act on their behalf.
Mike, if they aren't familiars he has no right to dictate what happens to them. Kuro and Ruby are obviously familiars, the Knights are just... bullshittingly overpowered.
They fulfill basically the same role as a familiar.
And the Don's situation is far different, mainly because they're NPCs that any character should be able to interact with, but they aren't PC's. And PC's take priority over NPC's.
The problem is that, when it comes to player-made NPCs that are strongly connected to a particular player, that player is far more aware of their abilities, motives etc. than anyone else and, further, is relying on those NPCs to fulfill their role in the RP. Of course PCs take priority, NPCs don't get any protection from dying for example, but if an NPC is controlled by a particular player and strongly linked to them then that player should control that NPC. It's what we've been doing so far, and you are only arguing against it because you are looking for an excuse to fuck over Lantz.
Look, it's rather complicated, so let's just wait for fucking Elf here.
Well, it's definitely her decision, but we're allowed to put our views across.
The knights, to clarify work on ninja logic according to their construction. Ninjas work like this
1 ninja = awesome
50 ninja = dead meat fodder
it continues to reduce from there. The longer Satoshi takes the closer the get to awesome but the ten thousand are just fodder (and were specifically made to hang Archer or Shirou up if they entered the castle.)
And their are 24 of them already. They're already violating the Conservation of Ninja's rule. Hence, this guy is a mook, not a badass.
You shouldn't even get to invoke that sort of logic with these things anyway.
Well, it seems more like a justified thing to me. If you spend an hour making a knight then it's going to be better than one you spend a few seconds on. If you're making 24 then you can afford to take your time a bit, if you're making 10,000 then you can't.
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Yeah, sorry. It works the way I said. I have the right to react period.
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Well, ultimately it's Elf's decision, but I think you should have that right, yes.
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Sup bitches what'd I miss
oh just more of the usual
I guess I'll wait for Elf before posting, then?
Also yeah legally Satoshi is in deep shit, he wasn't contracted by anyone to demolish anything and since he did on things he didn't own that adds extensive property damages to the list.
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Inferno cop isn't actually a member of the official police force, further this is Dark Satoshi, he doesn't really care about your law. He's a nicer victor von doom
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Inferno Cop doesn't give a shit, you're breaking the law and he is INFERNO COP, THE COP FROM HELL. And dark or not, Satoshi will pay for it. There is no "but I'm a nicer guy usually, that was just my dark self" excuse being accepted anytime soon.
So similarly to Satoshi not caring about the law, Inferno Cop doesn't care about anything else. Deal with it.
And actually Inferno Cop is a legitimate police officer from Jack Knife Edge Town, and that as such means that he does have some passing authority as an officer of the law, even though he's not exactly in his jurisdiction. Once again though, he doesn't care about jurisdiction, he's Inferno Cop.
And how would Satoshi even know that anyway
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If it helps, Axe Cop has authority all over the entire universe (and a few other universes too), so anyone under his command also gets that authority.
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Not what I said names, nor is that the point I was making. In any case we just have to wait to see if I get to control my guys or not.
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Not what I said names, nor is that the point I was making. In any case we just have to wait to see if I get to control my guys or not.
First off, they're not your guys. They're NPC's. Big difference.
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Your point was that Satoshi doesn't care about my silly laws
and you said something about Inferno Cop not really being a cop.
What I said to #1 was I dun giev fuk and neither does Inferno Cop, because hey criminals dun giev fuck about laws either but that doesn't stop anyone, and what I said to #2 is yes, he actually is a legitimate police officer
So no, I covered everything accurately.
Oh, and I said stuff about not giving a fuck that he's dark and edgy at all either, but that's less Inferno Cop and more me.
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Lantz, is there a character profile up for "Ryan"?
I don't see one there.
He's a creation for other characters to fight right?
Like you said, they were created to hang up Shirou and the Archers.
So, it is, by what you've said, an NPC fodder character.
Not to mention Raul had the drop on him.
Raul had shot of opportunity and high stats. With his modifiers he would have gotten a high enough roll to kill "Ryan".
Sorry Ryan, you were a Red Shirt all along.
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This isn't a tabletop but fine whatever names post, I just want this stupid fight over with
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You sorta brought this on yourself you know.
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You attacked me, you've been doing it since you got here. Leave me alone
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Lantz, you did. You resisted arrest from inferno cop, and gave Raul the opening IC that he's been waiting for. And I pointed out my original intentions in the damn thread here. So yes, you brought this hilariously upon yourself.
Now come, have at you! Raul seeks Angel blood and oil upon his blades!
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Uh huh, whatever dude. Just get names to post so I can deal with this stupid fight and move on from a now impossible storyline thanks to you
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Dude half the fun of RPing is adapting to unexpected and difficult situations
Anyway I ain't posting shit tonight, I'm too tired to enter the mindset of the great and powerful Inferno Cop, disher out of justice
Also sup Aiden, how's it going
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Valda- Has definitely been approved.
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>Planning a storylline in a freeform RP like this
>2012+1
I seriously hope you guys don't do this. Lantz. This isn't a fanfic. You can't "Plan" a storyline. It has to develop organically. You seem to think this RP revolves around only your characters. It doesn't. So stop being mad and just play.
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Well okay now, Arch, Lantz was GMed against but there's no need to keep rubbing his face in it.
Let's just drop this particular subject before it becomes too hot.
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Dude half the fun of RPing is adapting to unexpected and difficult situations
Anyway I ain't posting shit tonight, I'm too tired to enter the mindset of the great and powerful Inferno Cop, disher out of justice
Also sup Aiden, how's it going
Not bad! I'm just sorta kinda settling in. I mean really I'm just here for this RP, to be perfectly honest.
Also, your first sentence? Ain't that the truth.
Now I just gotta figure out how to do introductions...
While hoping the vitriol is not going to be a recurring feature of my time here.
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Dude half the fun of RPing is adapting to unexpected and difficult situations
Anyway I ain't posting shit tonight, I'm too tired to enter the mindset of the great and powerful Inferno Cop, disher out of justice
Also sup Aiden, how's it going
Not bad! I'm just sorta kinda settling in. I mean really I'm just here for this RP, to be perfectly honest.
Also, your first sentence? Ain't that the truth.
Now I just gotta figure out how to do introductions...
While hoping the vitriol is not going to be a recurring feature of my time here.
Depends on if Lantz continues being like he is.
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Welcome, Aiden! :D
As for getting yourself out there, you can either join one of the current scenarios or just plunk down in a random alley and see what happens. :)
And hopefully it shouldn't be a problem. If the lantz/Magos fights keep getting out of hand, we'll put a stop to it.
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Hey, s'all good about the RP exclusivity.
As for the vitriol, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Though to be honest, getting it calmed down is an ongoing process.
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Not the point names, I don't trust arch. I'm more than certain if I continue as I had planned he will use the ruling here to ruin my attempt to play the game. This is not a difficult situation it is an impossible wall which forces me to change everything I was doing. I cannot continue with my characters as I had intended, I didn't join the game for fights and character death. So please post soon names so this stupid fight with the demon can end.
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Hey Aiden, hope you enjoy the RP (it helps not to take it too seriously). So, would that flaming hot lady of yours like to have a cute, infinitely rapeable shota to boss around and banter with, or are you planning on going solo for now?
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Not the point names, I don't trust arch. I'm more than certain if I continue as I had planned he will use the ruling here to ruin my attempt to play the game. This is not a difficult situation it is an impossible wall which forces me to change everything I was doing. I cannot continue with my characters as I had intended, I didn't join the game for fights and character death. So please post soon names so this stupid fight with the demon can end.
Then stop planning
I mean seriously rule number 1 of RPs is that any plan you start out with will get rekt somehow, along with all the subsequent ones, because you are playing with other people who are allowed to interact with you in any way that is IC both positive and negative, and this will invariably change things.
You have to adapt to unexpected and difficult situations, as one of the basic points of RPing.
If you don't want people to alter your plans for your characters, then write a story, don't participate in an RP. It's really that simple.
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Thanks for being so welcoming, Alice!
Magos, as your GM in another game please take this as someone who has witnessed the pattern with you before: You really need to calm down. I'm not taking sides here, but it takes at least two people to have a shit throwing contest. Don't be the other guy throwing shit around.
It doesn't just hit your target.
@Bloble: I... would actually have to consider that, so let me get back to you. It's almost 2 am here.
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You're very welcome! :D New members are always appreciated. :3
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Sorry but no, I'm allowed character objectives. In order to change the status quo events need to happen, there has to be some plan and this was a very loose plan, it was facilitating a character to change which can't happen anymore because it hinged on other player not being able to kill familiars, constructs and the like without challenge.
setting a scene or event is important and I'm convinced that it will be entirely ruined by Arch and Rauls reality warping crap just because.
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lantz, Elf made her ruling. That's her right as GM. Please drop this, we've had enough arguing about this for one night.
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So Bloble about that shota, who exactly did you have in mind?
You'll have to wait for my response because heading off. Good night people!
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Good night! :D
Also, as a general reminder, let's try and keep it chill in here people. Though that's mostly aimed at a certain two to three people. You know who you are.
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So Bloble about that shota, who exactly did you have in mind?
You'll have to wait for my response because heading off. Good night people!
Ever played Monster Girl Quest?
The MC is basically a 16-18 year old who looks 14 at best and saves the world even though every bad end is just him getting raped for eternity by monster girls. It's a pretty good game, and he's a pretty good protagonist.
He's also really easy to boss around, relatively strong without being overpowered, can provide you with a steady source of fire, and has enough depth to carry on a serious conversation about IDEALS while participating in stupid gags the next second.
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Welp, I guess Downey will find himself with another uninvited guest. And one that won't respond very kindly to him.
I need sleep.
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The Rider arm is a device created by Tohsaka Rin in an experiment to reverse engineer the kaldo stick. It gives the wearer (once used to transform) the powers of a masked (Kamen) Rider.
It can be used by anyone with a magic circuit however it must be calibrated to a specific person to do so and is complicated to change. At default the armament is formed,as the classic and inconspicuous belt. It has been in Satoshi's possession for two millennia and as such it is calibrated to his factors.
Each person who changes will gain different abilities from it but they will always transform into an armored warrior with martial arts skill and a sense of justice (this sense is not always pure, it's taken from the user's own sense of what is just)
In Satoshi's case he becomes Rider Crimson with a dual mode and several weapons and as with all Riders an awesome matching bike
Satoshi and others will find themselves with only a few skills they previously they had available.
Satoshi retains his healing factor, his dragon flame and his martial arts skills but loses the rest.
Rider crimson has two modes, a large armoured form which makes Satoshi's already strong defense five times stronger than normal. And a smaller sleeker form which increases his speed by the same times five. These modifiers simply advance the rider they do not trade off speed for defense or vice versa.
The Armoured mode is equipped with two blasters as it's weapons, while by no means slow it's founded on the idea of turret fire to defeat enemies.
Speed mode, the speed mode is a close combat single attacker based mode. It possesses a dual blade sword (both on the same side of the hilt) which splits into two swords.
Special attacks
Justice blazer, this move uses the twin blasters on a single target to strike every point on the body simultaneously destroying the target.
Noonday justice, this attack uses both blasters to strike a single point creating a massive often fatal wound.
Justice hurricane, an attack which uses the dual swords at high speed to obliterate the target
Justice division, an attack using the dual sword's single form to destroy an opponent.
Burning crimson fist, the fist that destroys all evil. A Rider punch finisher which obliterates the opponent so long as they are evil, it does nothing to the innocent
Fire wheel strike, a Rider kick style full roundhouse which destroys the target
Twin mask, a special finisher which uses every single attack previous by manifesting both modes as separate fighters. Powerful but causes an overload and locking the belt up after the attack finishes which causes Satoshi to lose his transformed state and be unable to resume until the belt is unlocked.
Every user gains two full ranks in their stats regardless of who once transformed.
to explain it since it's going to be used in this fight
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So Bloble about that shota, who exactly did you have in mind?
You'll have to wait for my response because heading off. Good night people!
Ever played Monster Girl Quest?
The MC is basically a 16-18 year old who looks 14 at best and saves the world even though every bad end is just him getting raped for eternity by monster girls. It's a pretty good game, and he's a pretty good protagonist.
He's also really easy to boss around, relatively strong without being overpowered, can provide you with a steady source of fire, and has enough depth to carry on a serious conversation about IDEALS while participating in stupid gags the next second.
I never can quite find the free bandwidth to download that game, despite how hilarious I've heard it is; I would have played it otherwise.
So at least I'm familiar with the premise and... that does sound fun enough. She's certainly a monster woman even if she doesn't look it.
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@lantz: No offense, but that is a really complicated and overly involved magical item.
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@lantz: No offense, but that is a really complicated and overly involved magical item.
Yeah, well, Magos isn't giving him any other choice, because if he attempts to use his knights to fight Magos will just have them all drop like a bitch with no reaction....
That's the problem with this, the way that knight acted (or, rather, didn't act) is OOC, because Magos doesn't understand or care about the knight's characterisation or design. It should have had a chance to actually do stuff, even if the stuff was just go "what the fuck? *blargh*"....
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It's a reference to the Toku stuff Aiden, I don't care that its complicated.
and yes I am aware that all of Satoshi's stats are EX after transforming. Arch wants a fight then he gets one.
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I never can quite find the free bandwidth to download that game, despite how hilarious I've heard it is; I would have played it otherwise.
So at least I'm familiar with the premise and... that does sound fun enough. She's certainly a monster woman even if she doesn't look it.
Great! Now to get the sheet approved...
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I never can quite find the free bandwidth to download that game, despite how hilarious I've heard it is; I would have played it otherwise.
So at least I'm familiar with the premise and... that does sound fun enough. She's certainly a monster woman even if she doesn't look it.
Great! Now to get the sheet approved...
Now to pull myself away from Skyrim long enough to throw her into an alley somewhere.
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And first post, up.
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@lantz: No offense, but that is a really complicated and overly involved magical item.
Yeah, well, Magos isn't giving him any other choice, because if he attempts to use his knights to fight Magos will just have them all drop like a bitch with no reaction....
That's the problem with this, the way that knight acted (or, rather, didn't act) is OOC, because Magos doesn't understand or care about the knight's characterisation or design. It should have had a chance to actually do stuff, even if the stuff was just go "what the fuck? *blargh*"....
I don't know... the problem here isn't that he's using a power for extreme measures, the problem is that the power itself is needlessly complicated and a bit much, plus potentially OP when used with Toshi. Plus Toshi's OP as is, he doesn't need an elaborate magical weapon that's taken from an entirely different series's canon's universe. It's not the base principle of Toshi pulling out a more powerful weapon to deal with a strong enemy so much as the execution of said more powerful weapon.
Plus I'm not really seeing what Magos is doing has to do with the problems with the weapon. The problems of the Kamen Rider bracelet thingie have nothing to do with the present situation, those problems would be present regardless of whether Raul is murdering lantz's red shirt knights or not.
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Yeah, I'm not complaining about you pulling out a weapon and fighting back. That's cool, it makes sense. I'm just complaining that the weapon could do to be a bit more straightforward in its usefulness. This is a case of more details not equaling better writing.
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Sword? What are you talking about? Did I miss something?
and Alice I'm being very detailed because Elf asked me to.
and given what he loses he's no more powerful overall then before. And zel created a magic girl stick, the creation of a transformation belt really isn't out of the question
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A mistake in the post, lantz. Fixed it now.
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Ok Aiden well I'm not about to discuss the weapon's details since I don't understand how you guys see it as wrong. I feel that there's just going to be miscommunications if I try
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Hmm, Bloble, how is "monster" defined with regards to Luca? And what would the effect be on someone who fits that designation?
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Luka is approved!
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I'm not Bloble, but I think Medusa would count for this if that's what you're wondering.
And the effect is generally that female non-humans want to get into his pants and don't particular care about consent.
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I'm not Bloble, but I think Medusa would count for this if that's what you're wondering.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at, mostly anyway.
And the effect is generally that female non-humans want to get into his pants and don't particular care about consent.
I'm not entirely sure how that differs from Rider's normal attitude....
I assume it's not so absolute that she'd go against her basic principles, though (for example, abandoning Sakura to do it, or ignoring Sakura's wishes).
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In Rider's case, not by much.
And I doubt if there's something more pressing to deal with that it would cause someone to... divert course from that matter. Usually.
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Well, what I'm trying to work out is how I'd RP and describe it when Rider meets him. Is she just going to basically think "wow, he's hot, I want to fuck him"? Or is there something odd that makes that effect happen?
I mean, I'd imagine she would get rapey, because consent isn't really her thing in the first place, but what I'm unsure of is how much it'll over-ride her morality, particularly since her idea of hot sex involves one of the participants suffering agonising pain....
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I don't know the answer to the first question.
On the other hand, I think 'agonizing pain' is part of the point here.
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Really? Raping someone doesn't usually cause physical pain, at least not to the extent that Rider enjoys doing....
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Sword? What are you talking about? Did I miss something?
and Alice I'm being very detailed because Elf asked me to.
and given what he loses he's no more powerful overall then before. And zel created a magic girl stick, the creation of a transformation belt really isn't out of the question
It's not that you're being detailed and explaining things, that's not the problem. Honestly, you need to do that more often.
The problem is that the weapon itself is too involved. There shouldn't be nearly that much to explain is what we're saying. Plus as bright and awesome as Rin is, I don't think she could reverse engineer a mystery as complex as Ruby like that, nor would Ruby let her. The other problem is that it's a concept taken from another show. That can come off really wrong to people. Again, the problem lies in the execution.
As for Luca... from what little I know of Monster Girl Quest, lots of rape and pain is a normal part of poor Luca's existence, at least in the Bad Endings. Might be part of the normal parts too, I'm not sure. So Rider going all hardcore BDSM on him shouldn't be a problem. ...Poor guy. :(
And about rape being physically painful... no, there's definitely physical pain involved. It can cause quite a bit of it. It causes both physical and psychological pain, which is why it's kinda a really god awful thing to do to someone.
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What Alice said on both counts.
Emphatically.
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In short you don't like it, well unfortunately I can't help that. I'm not about to change it.
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The problem is that the weapon itself is too involved. There shouldn't be nearly that much to explain is what we're saying.
I don't think that's really true. Sometimes things are just complicated.
Plus as bright and awesome as Rin is, I don't think she could reverse engineer a mystery as complex as Ruby like that, nor would Ruby let her.
Well, perhaps, you'll have to ask Lantz about that one....
The other problem is that it's a concept taken from another show. That can come off really wrong to people. Again, the problem lies in the execution.
I don't think it being a concept taken from another show is a problem. If our characters can get to the Nexus alongside Marvel characters, then Toshi can get to a Kamen Rider world.
As for Luca... from what little I know of Monster Girl Quest, lots of rape and pain is a normal part of poor Luca's existence, at least in the Bad Endings. Might be part of the normal parts too, I'm not sure. So Rider going all hardcore BDSM on him shouldn't be a problem. ...Poor guy. :(
Well, it's more a possible problem from Rider's end than his. After all, Rider isn't a villain here, and I don't want her to be one. I also find the idea that someone just "couldn't control theirselves" rather dubious, it's like how people claim that women are to blame for getting raped because they wore a short skirt.
So, I want to know exactly how it works. Is Rider just going to think he's hot (in which case, since he's basically a nice guy, she has little excuse for raping or torturing him), or is there some sort of magical compulsion here?
And about rape being physically painful... no, there's definitely physical pain involved. It can cause quite a bit of it. It causes both physical and psychological pain, which is why it's kinda a really god awful thing to do to someone.
Well, yeah, it can, but it doesn't have to. It's possible to rape someone and be gentle about it, it's still rape.
Plus, my point is that causing physical pain wouldn't generally be the intention of Luca's attackers, they just want sex. Rider would be different in that she finds causing physical pain arousing.
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To clarify on the belt thing: for something as simple as a transformation device, it does way too much stuff. I mean, even in a KR series, the belt is not the one that does all the stuff. It's usually the Rider and/or their weapon.
Also, the Rider part I wouldn't mind, if he didn't take it too seriously. I mean, there *are* Kamen Rider parodies and homages in media, but here, it's explicitly Kamen Rider.
Also, Riders *do* trade stats for others with their different formes. So, if he goes to defense, his attack and a lot of his speed should go down. And for speed, his attacks gets lower, but his defense is basically non-existent. It's basic power balance.
Also, wasn't Ruby's purpose to simply give Rin access to mana and skills from alternate versions of herself or something like that? The Magical Girl schtick simply being Ruby trolling? Even if we go with Rin reverse-engineering the stick, that part wouldn't be the one she replicated
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Kaiza you're being far too literal
as for Rin I said attempt, not succeed
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No, I'm not. Read carefully there.
As for succeeding or not, the Magical Girl part is still not Rin's doing, it's Ruby's doing. So, unless the transformation is unwilling (since that wasn't part of the stick in the first place), it still wouldn't happen.
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Inventing is not about absolute success Kaiza. She made the belt when trying to do something else. The result is related but not the objective.
Kabuto doesn't actually trade stats between forms nor do certain other Kamen Riders. Further he's not 100% Kamen Rider, the name Crimson should have given it away as colours are indicative of a team of sentai.
this would be a lot easier if I didn't always feel like a god damn target
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As for you Alice I explained Rin but the rest of your statement is just nonsense to me, I don't understand what you are asking
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Inventing is not about absolute success Kaiza. She made the belt when trying to do something else. The result is related but not the objective.
Kabuto doesn't actually trade stats between forms nor do certain other Kamen Riders. Further he's not 100% Kamen Rider, the name Crimson should have given it away as colours are indicative of a team of sentai.
So, she managed to create a device with a completely different function (thus...not related) to what she was trying to create. I know accidents can lead to new stuff, but in this case it's a bit stretching it.
As for the Rider Title, that is a personal nit-pick, don't focus on that one.
And Kabuto does trade stats between Masked and Rider forms. Masked is more on the defensive side, with less offensive capabilities and is somewhat slower. Rider is faster and more on the offensive. Which makes sense, since one is based on a pupa, the other on the beetle.
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I'm already approved. Look I'm all for discussion but kaiza you and Alice aren't communicating very well. It seriously comes off as if you guys are just trying to undermine me despite my best attempts at trying to meet you guys half way.
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This info wasn't on the sheet that was approved, though...
And I'm saying the device's origins are a bit stretching it (both Rin being able to reverse-engineer the Kaleidostick, to being able to create something entirely different to what she was trying to accomplish).
Plus, the power trade off does happen in Kamen Rider. Often, the exceptions are their most powerful forms, but those are meant to be that powerful to beat the final enemy.
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I explained it to elf in full to which she said, you should put this up in the discussion thread
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I edited my post above, trying to be a bit more clear on what I meant.
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It's not a stage one hero, it is the strongest version and to be clear the forms detailed are not about armour and speed, they are specifically designed to defeat an enemy type. Crowds and looks in the armored state and bosses in the speed form. That's why there's a lack of stat loss. The lack of loss specifically refers to the stats of the character, not their optimal performance.
Rin is smart enough and to be clear we aren't talking about the teenage version.
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I'm already approved. Look I'm all for discussion but kaiza you and Alice aren't communicating very well. It seriously comes off as if you guys are just trying to undermine me despite my best attempts at trying to meet you guys half way.
I'm not sure how they come across as trying to "undermine" you, they just have legitimate questions about the concept. And, this is an RP, they are entitled to be worried if you make a character that appears too powerful or nonsensical.
I think mis-communication is definitely happening, though, although honestly it is coming from both sides.
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It's not a stage one hero, it is the strongest version and to be clear the forms detailed are not about armour and speed, they are specifically designed to defeat an enemy type. Crowds and looks in the armored state and bosses in the speed form. That's why there's a lack of stat loss. The lack of loss specifically refers to the stats of the character, not their optimal performance.
Rin is smart enough and to be clear we aren't talking about the teenage version.
I really can't take the Arm seriously in this context, to be honest. And there has to be a difference in stats other than growth, because otherwise they're not "forms", they're "boosts"; there's no balance.
And, you missed my point; the result is still completely unrelated to what she was trying. Plus if she's smart enough, whatever the result would have been closer to what she was attempting, not go in a completely different tangent.
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If I nerf the item then it becomes useless in anyone's hands but Satoshi's and having other people use it is part of the point it gives
as for Rin she's forty nine and has the second magic, I think she's in range of her objective.
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If I nerf the item then it becomes useless in anyone's hands but Satoshi's and having other people use it is part of the point it gives
as for Rin she's forty nine and has the second magic, I think she's in range of her objective.
Why would nerfing it change its usefulness for others? It would still boost anyone who uses it; the trade off just balances it (because otherwise, what's the point of different forms).
Also, you're not helping your case. If Rin has the second magic, why would she need to reverse-engineer Ruby? She could even make her own Kaleidostick if she's that knowledgeable. In fact, if she knows that much of her field, why would she fail to create what she wanted and end up creating something completely different? Remember, her objective was "reverse-engineer the Kaleidostick", not "create Rider Arm".
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Keeps on spinning, there's no beginning
There's no end, wheel of time...
Just to say one little thing, Lantz, you're not being targeted. It's your stuff people find iffy and tilt their heads at, not you. and they're not trying to undermine you, they're just trying to make sense of it, while pointing out when it doesn't.
Seriously, no one wakes up in the morning wondering in which way they can screw with you today.
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Names, my n'wah, you speak wisdom.
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Mike, it wouldn't get to the point of Axe commercial style lust, but Rider would feel an attraction and urge to molest Luka. Nothing uncontrollable, but a compulsion nonetheless. It's not something that prevents complicated relationships from forming, for example. As for rape... well, he's a masochist. Not to the point of blood and guts, but he's pretty much only turned on when it's against his will.
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As for rape... well, he's a masochist. Not to the point of blood and guts, but he's pretty much only turned on when it's against his will.
That must make marriage complicated.
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It does. Saying more would be spoilers.
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You could use spoiler tags! Then it's the fault of whatever person looks past them.
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You heard the man! Use the spoiler tags, you don't want the poor things to go unused, do you?
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1) it does change, the arm our gets replaced by the speed as I said his basic defense (stat wise) doesn't.
2) because no one has a perfect record in science.
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Mike, it wouldn't get to the point of Axe commercial style lust, but Rider would feel an attraction and urge to molest Luka. Nothing uncontrollable, but a compulsion nonetheless.
Well, how much of a compulsion?
The thing is that I don't want Rider to end up as the villain here, because she isn't....
It's not something that prevents complicated relationships from forming, for example.
Well, sure, but I was thinking more of how Rider would act if he was around, but if Sakura was there to hold her back a bit. Particularly since he is a good person, ultimately.
As for rape... well, he's a masochist. Not to the point of blood and guts, but he's pretty much only turned on when it's against his will.
So, Rider's ideal partner, then? :P
1) it does change, the arm our gets replaced by the speed as I said his basic defense (stat wise) doesn't.
So he does lose defence, then?
2) because no one has a perfect record in science.
No, but when you fuck-up you usually don't accidentally produce a fully-working complex device as a result....
I mean, plenty of scientific discoveries were initially made accidentally, but they still needed refinement to make something useful out of them.
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1) it does change, the arm our gets replaced by the speed as I said his basic defense (stat wise) doesn't.
2) because no one has a perfect record in science.
That still doesn't explain how it would become useless for anyone but Satoshi if it's nerfed.
And you're still missing my point. I don't say she can't make a mistake, but how spectacularly bad did that mistake have to be to end up resulting in something completely unrelated to what she was doing in the first place?
You know what? Let's just wait for Elf, OK?
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@Mike: Let me put it his way for you on the Medusa front.
Most of the characters in that game aren't treated as villains for raping this guy. Antagonists yes, but that's just because he's got to have some reason to fight back. It's just kinda expected that if he loses in a fight, he's gonna get raped. He's basically Rider's ideal partner in that regard, yeah.
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@Mike: Let me put it his way for you on the Medusa front.
Most of the characters in that game aren't treated as villains for raping this guy. Antagonists yes, but that's just because he's got to have some reason to fight back. It's just kinda expected that if he loses in a fight, he's gonna get raped.
Well, yeah, but Rider here isn't an antagonist either.
I guess it depends on the circumstances, but she's not going to have any reason to be fighting him in the first place, not when everyone else is around anyway.
He's basically Rider's ideal partner in that regard, yeah.
Lol, indeed.
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Elf already approved it Kaiza. I've said that several times, she's the one who said explain it to them after I explained it to her.
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You know Mike, you're well within your rights to have Rider respond to the clusterfuck occuring.
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Welp, I'll be on hold until something happens on that rooftop.
I don't know if I should make another character to send somewhere else; I get distracted too easily.
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Welp, I'll be on hold until something happens on that rooftop.
I don't know if I should make another character to send somewhere else; I get distracted too easily.
Go ahead and make a second one.
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You know Mike, you're well within your rights to have Rider respond to the clusterfuck occuring.
Yeah, I know. I was busy all day discussing this mess....
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It's really hard to get a grasp on what time of day these posts happen in; what timezone is this forum set on?
I mean not that it's ultimately of vital importance but it would be easier to keep track of when people are generally on for this game if I could just look at the posts for reference.
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It's really hard to get a grasp on what time of day these posts happen in; what timezone is this forum set on?
By default it should be on British time, but you should be able to change that in your user options.
I mean not that it's ultimately of vital importance but it would be easier to keep track of when people are generally on for this game if I could just look at the posts for reference.
Well, it varies, but most of the people are American, so they tend to be on around now.
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Okay, since you're curious, this is exactly how M Luka is. Expect major spoilers for the ending of Monster Girl Quest Part 3.
At the end of the third game, he and his companion, who he's been travelling with since the beginning of the game, get married. They have great chemistry together, shared personal feelings, and beat the final boss using a G Gundam style Love Love combination attack. They profess their love for each other, share one of those moments, and get married while fully consenting to spending the rest of their lives together.
Their 'lovey dovey warm fuzzy honeymoon sex scene' is written exactly like all the Bad Ends up to then. Luka is literally unable to take the lead until she 'rapes' him, keeping the dude tied up for 3 days straight while screwing him. He protests pretty much the entire time, even when he's been wrung out like 50 times, but the game makes it pretty clear that he's enjoying it.
6 months later they're happily married and expecting twins.
And in case you're wondering about any possible ambiguity, at one point Luka gets to fight a female clone of himself (evil, knows all his techniques and has his memories), who outright says he can't get off unless he's being raped. All this because the dude who made the game has a fetish for getting raped by monster girls.
Yup.
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So, yeah, pretty much Rider's ideal guy, except possibly for the lack of any interest in actual physical pain....
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So, yeah, pretty much Rider's ideal guy, except possibly for the lack of any interest in actual physical pain....
I'm sure Rider can think of some interesting... psychological substitutes to make use of.
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What?
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Seriously Mike, psychological torture?
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Well, pain would probably be fine as long as it didn't go too far. The game runs the gauntlet of M fantasies. You've got tame stuff like word play, all the way up to crazy shit like unbirthing and vore. I'd say as long as it doesn't get to the level of bleeding or actual physical injuries, you'd be right up Luka's alley.
Personally I played the game for the plot (no, seriously, the plot is actually good) so I only experienced about a third of the H-scenes, but I'm fairly sure a few of them were bondage-y.
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I'm fearing that kill evil punch. I really am.
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In this 2013 christmas blockbuster, Satoshi is... the parking violator.
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Really hoping Valda doesn't get trumped up on pedophilia charges, the way this boy looks.
I mean not that she can't finagle her way out of it, but it would be so disruptive on an empty stomach.
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Finagling or not, you should be wary of any kind of cop in this town. They're crazy.
Axe Cop, Inferno Cop, Doomrider...
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And she's technically an illegal immigrant.
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It's okay, Valda. He talked you into it, really. The kid deserved it. It's obvious! Why doesn't anyone believe you? They're the crazy ones for not getting to him first!
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Lantz, I do want to say this.
Since Toshi is going to use his Rider Arm, I give Magos my blessing as GM to let Raul go full Apeshit Demon.
No one can win every fight; if they that would be boring. Losing battles allows character development and keeps characters more believable.
Soo with Luka, I wonder if Forest's "maternal instincts" will win out over the "monster girl wanting to molest and rape this guy". With how he looks? I think it's going to be more of a "he needs to be protected from all of these women who wants to rape the poor little poppet."
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They might totally win. It's not like he has an aura that screams 'rape me' or anything. He's just really attractive to non-human chicks. If you can keep yourself from jumping that one male actor you like (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.), you can keep yourself from jumping Luka.
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Well if Satoshi and Raul start transforming, Inferno Cop will too in a feeling of loneliness and a want of being cool like everyone else.
With his slight gold makeover.
GLITTER INFERNO COPPU
still too dumb to use his god powers
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They might totally win. It's not like he has an aura that screams 'rape me' or anything. He's just really attractive to non-human chicks. If you can keep yourself from jumping that one male actor you like (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.), you can keep yourself from jumping Luka.
Too bad Valda isn't the type. She's just good at delaying it and plotting it out so she can extract the maximum benefit from the encounter; it's so hard, that technicality that the person has to 'gift' the mana to her...
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Delayed raep is best raep, though also creepiest raep.
Anyway, delaying further posts until tomorrow. I have an exam to cram for, and any more of this will kill my chances of passing.
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Lantz, I do want to say this.
Since Toshi is going to use his Rider Arm, I give Magos my blessing as GM to let Raul go full Apeshit Demon.
No one can win every fight; if they that would be boring. Losing battles allows character development and keeps characters more believable.
Note that Raul is unlikely to go apeshit demon at first, and depending on the situation he might not at all. But when he does...
Well, you'd better start lubing up because the rape train has no brakes. Sorry Satoshi but you ain't getting out of that one unscathed.
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Delayed raep is best raep, though also creepiest raep.
Anyway, delaying further posts until tomorrow. I have an exam to cram for, and any more of this will kill my chances of passing.
She can be a creepy girl, but she's always focused on having the best for herself. I think it balances out nicely.
Good luck with your exams, bro
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Good luck Bloble!
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So wait, are we getting even more sexy times from lancer this time around?
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Given that Satoshi has lost every conflict prior to this one and this is a forced fight on his territory I'd say I'm due a win. Furthermore nothing on Raul's sheet looks to force a mode change so while I'm not ruling out a loss I don't see how the fight goes beyond pew pew blaster finisher pew pew Raul escapes (I say escape because it makes sense, Raul can fly and doesn't seem suicidal)
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Given that Satoshi has lost every conflict prior to this one and this is a forced fight on his territory I'd say I'm due a win. Furthermore nothing on Raul's sheet looks to force a mode change so while I'm not ruling out a loss I don't see how the fight goes beyond pew pew blaster finisher pew pew Raul escapes (I say escape because it makes sense, Raul can fly and doesn't seem suicidal)
What do you mean lost every conflict prior to this one?
He forced Forest to retreat. I would think that's a pretty damned big win.
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The thing with forest wasn't a fight, he was running away the whole time
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It was still technically a victory. Plus he tanked a Caladbolg, that's pretty major.
Also... I... I'm really not getting how the Rider thing purified everything. Or why Toshi didn't just do that in the first place. It also makes "Sakura" and "Taiga" look even worse because I doubt they didn't know about this.
And good luck on your final, Bloble! :D
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It was still technically a victory. Plus he tanked a Caladbolg, that's pretty major.
Also... I... I'm really not getting how the Rider thing purified everything. Or why Toshi didn't just do that in the first place. It also makes "Sakura" and "Taiga" look even worse because I doubt they didn't know about this.
Yeah, none of that makes a fucking lick of sense to me.
Also, Lantz. Congrats. You lose. Raul went Loud. You just forced him to go Loud through your actions. Enjoy the rape train, because he has no brakes. Everything is now dead in this area, when the real Angels arrive. Enjoy your time limit before practically invincible beings arrive to fuck you for witnessing him going Loud, if you don't die in a second here.
To explain why? A few of his now available Exploits.
Echoing Death
The demon strikes a target dead and the death undoes the last action the character took. This requires the demon to warp time and causality, and as such it carries a greater risk of breaking the demon’s cover (in game terms, the compromise roll for this Exploit carries a –2 penalty). If the Exploit is successful, though, the demon can erase the last few moments of the target’s life, perhaps saving the life of someone that character killed. This Exploit can only affect the actions the target took in his last few minutes of life. Anything longer than that and the effects of the actions he took have already reverberated out into the universe too far to be undone.
Everybody Hates Him
The value of a scapegoat is indisputable. Having someone for everyone to hate, a target for their collective frustrations, allows unification among people — and for a demon, it allows someone else to take the blame. This Exploit makes a human target into the person that everyone hates. It does so by changing the target, though, not the world at large. The person simply trips the parts of the brain that causes others to read him as the enemy. Depending on where and when the victim falls under this Exploit, he might not live out the day.
Solitary Confinement
The demon gestures at a target and opens a rift in reality — a black pit of nothing where the person remains trapped. The oubliette doesn’t keep a victim incarcerated indefinitely, but it creates a place ofperfect sensory deprivation. The victim cannot hear, see or feel anything, even sound or sensation that he creates. Even if the target only remains in the oubliette for a matter of minutes, the experience saps his will and can drive him mad. The target must be within the demon’s Primum rating in yards, and the demon must be able to see the victim for this Exploit to function.
Disintegrate
With a single touch, the demon can turn a solid object into dust and vapor. The object vibrates for a moment, and then cracks and disappears with a faint glow.
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Even Satoshi didn't know that would happen Alice. So Sakura and Taiga have no clue, and that was less tanking and not dying.
he transformed arch that is no justification for invulnerable npc bs
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When I've explained what Going Loud implies before in my character sheet, and will throw them under GM control, no, it is not BS.
Also, the point is moot, because Satoshi is now so fucking dead it isn't even funny.
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It's sort of the WOD equivalent of having the Counter Guardians summoned. Sort of evil counter guardians, but still a very similar base principle. Basically it's like if someone allowed the real Angra Manyu to be born, then the Counter Guardians would swoop in. Same thing here. Or at least from what I get of it.
Also, I'd really recommend anyone that's not Satoshi get the hell out of dodge right now, unless they really want to die.
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Expect my next post after I post and get character seven approved. I didn't join the game for fights and I won't have my characters die like this.
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Expect my next post after I post and get character seven approved. I didn't join the game for fights and I won't have my characters die like this.
Want to know what's really funny?
You invited all this shit on yourself. Raul would have bugged out if you hadn't have transformed, securing in his mind that Satoshi was an Angel, and destroying the building ended up also indicating this was a trap. For that matter, Satoshi doesn't have any defense against suddenly being trapped in a prison for all eternity, everyone now hating him, or basically 99.9999% of the shit Raul can now do. This is why Going Loud was an absolute last resort, and one that you unintentionally triggered, because it raises the attentions of the God-Machine at the cost of making it entirely sure that the Demon can destroy, manipulate, or otherwise neutralize whatever obstacle he faces now.
Satoshi is dead. Full stop. He woke the sleeping giant, now he needs to face the consequences.
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No, rule is my characters die with my say, you forced this fight on me, they aren't dying.
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Except it's not technically death. Plus in cases like this it's Elf that gets the last word. If she deems a case an exception to the rule because it's unavoidable, then the character dies or is trapped, plain and simple.
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To Kaiza: So you want me to go ahead and respond to your action on the roof?
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No, Lantz. You entirely invited this fight, due to your own actions. I'm not metagaming with Raul just so you can keep a character around, you made your own bed with every single one of your actions that Satoshi did, your own descriptions of the castle, and your own attitude on all of this.
Really, Lantz. You had this one coming.
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Sorry but I refuse to be killed because arch is targeting me. Elf for fucks sakes do something about this horseshit. Forcing my characters to die is clearly against the god damn rules
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I just said it's Elf's call. However, she may sanction this instance, but we should at least wait for an official confirmation from her on that front. But Arch can't do that to Toshi without her go ahead, so you're safe until she makes her ruling.
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Nah, there's a rule you forgot.
Rule fucking Zero. The GM is always right. And this isn't forcing your characters to die, this is your characters basically leaving no other option for the other character except to kill you, and that character having the power to succeed at this task without question. And no, I'm not targeting you. Your paranoid delusions are rather adorable. I am acting completely in character. Having Raul do anything different would be out of character, and something that I refuse to budge on. Basically, if Elf says Satoshi gets killed by a fucking unicorn riding a unicycle, he died. Same situation here.
Now excuse me, I've also got a final coming up, one I desperately need to pass. I need sleep so I can study my ass off tomorrow.
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To Kaiza: So you want me to go ahead and respond to your action on the roof?
I should be asleep, but...eh.
Sure, go ahead. I think Elf also had a character there calling out to you. Anyone else?
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We shouldn't need a ruling and my characters have hurt no one, I have the right to play as well Alice and the hatred I'm getting is still unfair, I've done nothing to justify my characters dying. I have the right to play and I won't have that simply taken away.
arch is blood hungry and in and out of game he's just targeting me.
elf seriously this act of god shit is unfair, I have the right to escape at the least
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We shouldn't need a ruling and my characters have hurt no one, I have the right to play as well Alice and the hatred I'm getting is still unfair, I've done nothing to justify my characters dying. I have the right to play and I won't have that simply taken away.
arch is blood hungry and in and out of game he's just targeting me.
elf seriously this act of god shit is unfair, I have the right to escape at the least
No, you have the privilege to play in a GM's game. She makes the rules. She's the one running all this. For another thing, she authorized my going into Apeshit Demon mode if you went into Rider mode.
And your actions IC justify it from Raul's perspective, and he's more than capable of murdering half a city when Gone Loud. You. Do. Not. Fuck. With. Demons. You played chicken with an entity that is synonymous with power, evil, and the warping of fate. Turns out he's not stopping, and you can't either because you put up a wall behind yourself.
I've stated multiple times what my original intentions were, and your modifying of the castle and not telling us shit about it prevented that from happening. I couldn't ignore the Castle IC, because this stunk of God Machine involvement. The Angel (RIP Knight Ryan) running towards the castle couldn't be allowed to warn any others, and he therefore had to die. Satoshi transforming confirmed to Raul, that Satoshi was an Angel. Now, this could have ended in Raul just bugging out, if one more things hadn't happened - the Castle disappearing.
That basically made Raul go "Trap, no escape, fuck everything DIE ANGELS DIE DIE DIE."
So no, I'm not targeting you. Your own actions simply led to Raul obliterating Satoshi and the knights because there's no other rational way for him to act. It's as simple as that.
Edit: Lead not led god dammit, I'm going to bed now.
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@KAIZA: y u no in bed, buddy? :o And yup, Elf had Gabri up there too. :) So Gabriel and waifu murder bot, anti-magic team extraordinaire! :D
@lantz: We're not saying that Magos gets to do as he pleases. It's still Elf's call. Again, let's just wait for her.
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@KAIZA: y u no in bed, buddy? :o And yup, Elf had Gabri up there too. :) So Gabriel and waifu murder bot, anti-magic team extraordinaire! :D
I HAVE NO IDEA. ;_;
Also, I think Magos wanted Old Man Henderson to go over there as well.
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Arch, I won't pretend to understand the thought process of your character, but couldn't he have just ran away? With the castle gone, what was stopping him from withdrawing to investigate his opponent and plan for their next encounter? Isn't keeping his disguise important to him? I'd have at least explored other options before jumping straight to all out attack.
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I accept that you don't think he should get to do whatever Alice but do listen to what I'm saying. I want to have character development, you may not like my characters but if they die then I never get to show that they are more then the first impressions. They are deeper and I have the right to show it. Forcing my characters to die without meaning is a waste. Satoshi may be strong but he has never used that strength, he has not hurt anyone's characters. He didn't call Raul out, and draw him to the castle. He's not picking fights, he doesn't deserve to be forcibly removed from the game because Arch hates me.
Further he's not as strong as you think, I want to explain but Arch will clearly just force a situation where he has all the stuff to kill him and I. Won't sabotage myself like that
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Arch, I won't pretend to understand the thought process of your character, but couldn't he have just ran away? With the castle gone, what was stopping him from withdrawing to investigate his opponent and plan for their next encounter? Isn't keeping his disguise important to him? I'd have at least explored other options before jumping straight to all out attack.
He's suddenly surrounded. Without the castle there he's now facing all the knights, Rider, Alter, and Angra. That's what, 26 opponents that now just joined the fight? For that matter, it looks like that one angel in front of him can fly - and that's the only avenue for escape left for him. That's Raul's logic in this. It's important to him to keep his Cover, but in this case to him, it loks like he's now facing 27 Angels with no way out. Going Loud is the only response available because of this. To Raul, shit had just hit the fan at maximum velocity.
I accept that you don't think he should get to do whatever Alice but do listen to what I'm saying. I want to have character development, you may not like my characters but if they die then I never get to show that they are more then the first impressions. They are deeper and I have the right to show it. Forcing my characters to die without meaning is a waste. Satoshi may be strong but he has never used that strength, he has not hurt anyone's characters. He didn't call Raul out, and draw him to the castle. He's not picking fights, he doesn't deserve to be forcibly removed from the game because Arch hates me.
Further he's not as strong as you think, I want to explain but Arch will clearly just force a situation where he has all the stuff to kill him and I. Won't sabotage myself like that
While he didn't call him out in character, nothing Satoshi has done has indicated he's not part of the God-Machine to Raul, and this move he just did as explained above, is basically confirming all his suspicions, and leaving him with no other option. And no, as I've stated before, I do not hate you. All the things you just did though, well, they sorta arranged the perfect storm, as I've explained multiple times before this post. Honestly, Lantz. Stop with the entitlement complex, and wait for Elf.
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Also, Lantz. Congrats. You lose. Raul went Loud. You just forced him to go Loud through your actions. Enjoy the rape train, because he has no brakes. Everything is now dead in this area, when the real Angels arrive. Enjoy your time limit before practically invincible beings arrive to fuck you for witnessing him going Loud, if you don't die in a second here.
Well, you are not killing my fucking character, and I doubt you are going to be allowed to kill Lantz's either.
Except it's not technically death. Plus in cases like this it's Elf that gets the last word. If she deems a case an exception to the rule because it's unavoidable, then the character dies or is trapped, plain and simple.
If she does that then the rule is completely meaningless, and I will be having Sakura when she turns up trap and eat every damn one of Magos' characters.
Arch, I won't pretend to understand the thought process of your character, but couldn't he have just ran away? With the castle gone, what was stopping him from withdrawing to investigate his opponent and plan for their next encounter? Isn't keeping his disguise important to him? I'd have at least explored other options before jumping straight to all out attack.
Yeah, but that wouldn't allow Magos to fuck the RP up for Lantz, would it?
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Jfc you guys are a dysfunctional little group.
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Jfc you guys are a dysfunctional little group.
Hey, not my fault that Lantz left me no recourse in character.
Also, Lantz. Congrats. You lose. Raul went Loud. You just forced him to go Loud through your actions. Enjoy the rape train, because he has no brakes. Everything is now dead in this area, when the real Angels arrive. Enjoy your time limit before practically invincible beings arrive to fuck you for witnessing him going Loud, if you don't die in a second here.
Well, you are not killing my fucking character, and I doubt you are going to be allowed to kill Lantz's either.
If she does that then the rule is completely meaningless, and I will be having Sakura when she turns up trap and eat every damn one of Magos' characters.
Yeah, but that wouldn't allow Magos to fuck the RP up for Lantz, would it?
Wow, Mike, overreaction. Rider can still run the hell away at this point. The Angels haven't arrived yet, and Satoshi is the priority target because with him dead, there aren't any fliers left... giving The Artist Formerly Known as Raul a chance to escape.
For that matter, Sakura wouldn't have a damn reason in character to do that. At all. That's called metagaming, and I'm sure Elf would GM smack you for that. I've also explained why this happened. It's entirely in character. There's no malice or anything else involved in this. Calm your mammary glands Mike.
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Thanks mike that's basically the point I'm making, it's total garbage.
and unless nwod changed massively since I last checked angels don't give warnings or let people go.
oh and angra is gone if you bothered to read it Arch.
I expected a fight with Raul which is why I used the strongest weapon available, it's called spectacle. Instead we get a kamikaze attack garbage which forces me to withdraw. Or in arch's case demand Satoshi who has literally harm no one die
if you honestly didn't hate me arch you would participate in the spectacle you so insistently forced upon me.
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Goodness gracious great balls of fire
Everything exploded after I went to bed.
#1)Way to completely ignore the guy yelling in your ear, Satoshi.
#2)Much overreacting, Raul. Can't he somehow sense that Inferno Cop is crazy powerful or something? And, I mean, he broke the 'god machine's' stuff. Ally?
#3)We're waiting for Elf on principle, but I get to act too, guys. And Inferno Cop can certainly enter a conflict like the one before him.
#4)No one gets to dictate how battles will go in an RP. Spectacle or slaughter, it's how it plays out IC that matters, not how you want it to OOC.
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Jfc you guys are a dysfunctional little group.
Welcome to my nightmare. And I'm kinda hoping things settle down soon, because this stuff doesn't tend to be the funnest to deal with as an Admin. It's not always like this, but things have been pretty heated lately. Again, I'm hoping these incidents will pretty much go away soon.
Also, to the three fighting, cool it down in here. Wait for Elf. And I'll say this until people get it, even if I have to resort to more extreme measures to get that point to sink in.
Also, again, I really recommend that anyone that isn't Toshi to run. Really recommend.
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Eh? I did? Oh shit I did, sorry, I could swear Satoshi was supposed to tell inferno cop to get clear all her of justice type thing. I must have cut it in one edit and forgot to reinsert it.
I'll be plain Satoshi and Saber are escaping as long as they aren't forced to die I have an exit plan
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Jfc you guys are a dysfunctional little group.
Welcome to my nightmare. And I'm kinda hoping things settle down soon, because this stuff doesn't tend to be the funnest to deal with as an Admin. It's not always like this, but things have been pretty heated lately. Again, I'm hoping these incidents will pretty much go away soon.
Also, to the three fighting, cool it down in here. Wait for Elf. And I'll say this until people get it, even if I have to resort to more extreme measures to get that point to sink in.
Also, again, I really recommend that anyone that isn't Toshi to run. Really recommend.
I think you might be a masochist. I'm just saying.
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Wow, Mike, overreaction. Rider can still run the hell away at this point. The Angels haven't arrived yet, and Satoshi is the priority target because with him dead, there aren't any fliers left... giving The Artist Formerly Known as Raul a chance to escape.
Oh, isn't that fucking convenient.
And, I am not fucking "over-reacting". You are contriving to kill Lantz's character for doing nothing wrong, and Elf is backing it up.
For that matter, Sakura wouldn't have a damn reason in character to do that. At all. That's called metagaming, and I'm sure Elf would GM smack you for that. I've also explained why this happened. It's entirely in character. There's no malice or anything else involved in this. Calm your mammary glands Mike.
Bull fucking shit. I know damn well that you are intentionally targetting Lantz, you've told people that you are.
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#2)Much overreacting, Raul. Can't he somehow sense that Inferno Cop is crazy powerful or something? And, I mean, he broke the 'god machine's' stuff. Ally?
The dude just did something that in Raul's eyes, only an angel or a demon could do - shed a cover. On top of that, he can't sense power. At all. So then, on top of this fact that the individual in front of him just went Angel, he killed the infrastructure within a second, revealing all the 'Angels' within. So yeah, Raul's now surrounded, this whole thing looks like a trap, and there isn't a single way out for him.
Well, technically, he COULD sense angels... in a five foot radius... if he'd spent the Aether ahead of time. Which he didn't, because this was such obvious god machine activity, why should he bother.
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These are the kind of fuck-ups that make the difference between demons who last more than a few nights and demons who don't.
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Exactly mike, I went into this thinking I'd give arch a chance and fight him cause he so insistent about it and my trust that it would be a fight immediately turned into thanks Lantz Satoshi is dead ha ha. I stated awhile ago I hate pointless death and a kamikaze attack is unbelievably pointless
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Yeah, the worst thing about this is that I think Elf deliberately set this up to happen. She approved the Rider arm only because she knew damn well it wouldn't work on Raul (because he's Chaotic Good) and it would give her an excuse to fuck you over.
Honestly, I think you really need to talk to Elf about this, because she has some issues with your RPing I think and you probably do need to sort them out....
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Exactly mike, I went into this thinking I'd give arch a chance and fight him cause he so insistent about it and my trust that it would be a fight immediately turned into thanks Lantz Satoshi is dead ha ha. I stated awhile ago I hate pointless death and a kamikaze attack is unbelievably pointless
So by your own admittance, you willingly entered into this? Then you have no right to complain because you saw his sheet. And then pulled the shit you just did.
And mike, once again, no in character reason for her to go after any of my characters.
I do advise for Rider to take that advice and run for the hills though.
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Wow awesome
whatever arch
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Exactly mike, I went into this thinking I'd give arch a chance and fight him cause he so insistent about it and my trust that it would be a fight immediately turned into thanks Lantz Satoshi is dead ha ha. I stated awhile ago I hate pointless death and a kamikaze attack is unbelievably pointless
So by your own admittance, you willingly entered into this? Then you have no right to complain because you saw his sheet. And then pulled the shit you just did.
Your sheet very carefully hides his alignment, and he did not expect you to perform a suicidal attack in any case.
And mike, once again, no in character reason for her to go after any of my characters.
You killed Shirou's son. That's a reason. And Lawrence tried to attack Kiyoshi, and threatened to haunt him.
And, frankly, you have no real reason to go after Lantz, so you just keep bullshitting one up. I don't see why the hell I shouldn't do the same damn thing.
I do advise for Rider to take that advice and run for the hills though.
I ain't posting nothing until this pile of crap is resolved.
If Elf wants to go against her own rules despite me doing nothing wrong then that's her decision.
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I really think the problem here is as follows:
1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.
2) Everyone taking things much too personally.
3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).
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Aiden being awesome here. :3 As your admin I really recommend listening to this man, he's talking a lot of sense here.
Also as your admin, this is the second time I'm saying this, calm down, stop arguing and wait for Elf. Things are way too heated in here. If I have to say this a third time, and I'm still ignored after that, I'm going to have to get more severe here guys, so cool it down.
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The fist which destroys evil was used on zouken, even if it can't hurt Raul I never intended on using it, I was just being as detailed as possible because elf asked me too. Satoshi isn't a killer
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I really think the problem here is as follows:
1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.
2) Everyone taking things much too personally.
3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).
Well, as regards to 1) and 2), I think Lantz has good reason to take this seriously, since killing Toshi would wreck the RP for him, and I don't blame him for taking it personally when I know for certain that Magos is specifically targetting his characters, and has attacked him with clear intent to kill (and an expectation that it would succeed) multiple times already.
As regards 3), yeah, I think Elf has handled this badly. She clearly has issues with Lantz's RPing, but rather than openly addressing them she's just sanctioning Magos to smack him on her behalf, and in a game-wrecking manner (for Lantz anyway).
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Note - all Lawrence did was flip the kid off and insult him. There's no connection between any of my characters, so only Lawrence would conceivably be in Sakura's shit list, and there's no way she could know about the haunting. And even then, she's overreacting hardcore. Metagaming is something you shouldn't do Mike. And Raul will more likely than not be DEAD after this so she can't take revenge on him. Lantz basically set that one up himself, there's no OOC malice going on here. In character, he initiated, and then pulled the castle shit. There was no other option for Raul, In Character, to take.
I really think the problem here is as follows:
1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.
2) Everyone taking things much too personally.
3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).
I can tell you that Mike and Lantz are very very guilty of one and 2 here. And 3 does need to be firmly established.
Aiden being awesome here. :3 As your admin I really recommend listening to this man, he's talking a lot of sense here.
Also as your admin, this is the second time I'm saying this, calm down, stop arguing and wait for Elf. Things are way too heated in here. If I have to say this a third time, and I'm still ignored after that, I'm going to have to get more severe here guys, so cool it down.
Got it Alice.
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Elf please reply to my pm when you read this, it is important
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Metagaming is something you shouldn't do Mike.
Oh, hi there pot....
And Raul will more likely than not be DEAD after this so she can't take revenge on him. Lantz basically set that one up himself, there's no OOC malice going on here. In character, he initiated, and then pulled the castle shit. There was no other option for Raul, In Character, to take.
Rubbish. You are quite clearly and obviously looking for excuses to shaft Lantz.
I can tell you that Mike and Lantz are very very guilty of one and 2 here. And 3 does need to be firmly established.
Yes, because your actions will ruin the RP for us if left to stand. You already ruined something that Lantz was planning with me by your OOC actions and approach (as opposed to IC actions, which would be fine, although some consideration would be nice) and now you intend to ruin the RP for Lantz and me totally by killing Toshi off.
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Fun fact, never metagamed. Lawrences shotgun blast on Connor - In Character. This whole thing? In Character. How does it feel to be wrong mike? And no, I'm not looking for opportunities, I'm simply reacting IN CHARACTER.
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Magos, going to ask you nicely right now. Please stop posting on this subject at all until Elf arrives.
I really think the problem here is as follows:
1) Everyone taking things much too seriously.
2) Everyone taking things much too personally.
3) The social contract between players, and with players and their GM, is not firmly established. Basically what I'm saying is problems as they come up need to be honestly and straightforwardly addressed by the GM (or presented to the GM, if it's coming from the other end).
Well, as regards to 1) and 2), I think Lantz has good reason to take this seriously, since killing Toshi would wreck the RP for him, and I don't blame him for taking it personally when I know for certain that Magos is specifically targetting his characters, and has attacked him with clear intent to kill (and an expectation that it would succeed) multiple times already.
As regards 3), yeah, I think Elf has handled this badly. She clearly has issues with Lantz's RPing, but rather than openly addressing them she's just sanctioning Magos to smack him on her behalf, and in a game-wrecking manner (for Lantz anyway).
You could be right, but I would ask you to provide evidence of both accusations to Magos and Elf. In private, so we don't clutter the hell out of this thread anymore now that then nice Admin lady has asked for the arguing to stop.
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Listen to the Aiden, for he says words of wisdom. Be good or Santa Nero won't bring you guys any presents this Christmas.
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OK, fine. It's probably not a great idea for me to wreck my own forum with continuous arguments....
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I think everyone just needs to chill.
I kinda know the right person to do that, but I must finish writing his origin story.
Oh, and hi there guys, will be joining in~
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Hullo, and welcome! :D
...Please excuse the mess, hopefully it'll get cleaned up soon. ^^"
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Hi.
And, yeah, I hope this gets sorted out reasonably and fairly, and without anyone getting shafted....
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Simply reacting to one thing because that might cause conflict later on.
Yeah, the worst thing about this is that I think Elf deliberately set this up to happen. She approved the Rider arm only because she knew damn well it wouldn't work on Raul (because he's Chaotic Good) and it would give her an excuse to fuck you over.
That's kinda bs because last time, Elf sided with Lantz and allowed Sakura/Connor to go through a shotgun blast at about close range without even a scratch while the attacker, Lawrence, got wounded. And remind me who allowed the car projection despite it being, according to pretty much everyone, impossible? So that bias issue looks like to me you trying to corner Elf into doing the opposite, because if she does what you don't want, well, it proves your point and makes her a GM who chose a side.
The GM is the one who writes the rules and, as such, has free reign over whether they apply or not in a given situation. If you're not ready to accept that, you might as well just not join the RP. If you have issues with the game master, talk about it in private. There is no reason to accuse someone in public. Especially when past experiences prove otherwise.
To sum it up, this behavior isn't needed. We already have enough issues around without it.
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Welcome back, Daiki! :D
...We miss your characters, come back and post again, Hakuno and Archer await Ruu's response on baited breath ;_;
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Daiki we just got things to calm down stoooop.
But no you're actually right.
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That's kinda bs because last time, Elf sided with Lantz and allowed Sakura/Connor to go through a shotgun blast at about close range without even a scratch while the attacker, Lawrence, got wounded. And remind me who allowed the car projection despite it being, according to pretty much everyone, impossible? So that bias issue looks like to me you trying to corner Elf into doing the opposite, because if she does what you don't want, well, it proves your point and makes her a GM who chose a side.
Because the rules of the RP specifically state that killing a character without the consent of the player is not allowed. Also, she only allowed there to be no wounds because Kiyoshi reacted to it to prevent it and Magos accepted that.
As for the car thing, she allowed that mainly for convenience. Rejecting it would have just made our lives more difficult and would have benefitted no-one.
The GM is the one who writes the rules and, as such, has free reign over whether they apply or not in a given situation. If you're not ready to accept that, you might as well just not join the RP. If you have issues with the game master, talk about it in private. There is no reason to accuse someone in public. Especially when past experiences prove otherwise.
To sum it up, this behavior isn't needed. We already have enough issues around without it.
The way she has acted here is deeply unfair, though. And, no, I will not just do it in private, because I know what happens when you bring up grievences in private. They get ignored and then you get banned and painted as the bad guy. After they air all their grievences publically anyway.
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The Word
The demon issues a short, simple command that must be followed. This Exploit does not allow simple mind control, however. The target responds on a metaphysical level. If the demon commands the target to “burn,” he will — he skin blisters and he drops to the ground in agony. Commanded to “sleep,” a target will not awaken until the demon permits it. The command must be a single word, but in that single word is contained the simple, potent power of the God-Machine.
...I think I just did this unintentionally.
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Oh dear, here we go.
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Mike, she can't ban you from your own forum. Please don't drag your issues with BL into this matter.
In any case, there needs to be a lot more honesty, compromise and calm in equal measures here on both sides of this issue.
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Mike, she can't ban you from your own forum. Please don't drag your issues with BL into this matter.
Yeah, I'm just saying that I am not and never will be a believer in the idea that grievances with people in authority (and, she is in authority in this RP even if not on the forum as a whole) should be aired privately. It just gives people an excuse to sweep them under the carpet.
In any case, there needs to be a lot more honesty, compromise and calm in equal measures here on both sides of this issue.
Yeah, unfortunately I'm not sure how that's going to happen here....
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OK, to nip this in the bud early before it gets bad in here again, wait for Elf. Just wait for Elf. Keep it chill in here.
Keep calm. Don't panic. Have your towel ready.
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Keep calm. Don't panic. Have your towel ready.
I'm readying a cool arch-lich with a fabulous disposition, does this count?
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Yes, yes it does. :3
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I'll try to post something soon, Alice. (Got plenty to catch up to)
Because the rules of the RP specifically state that killing a character without the consent of the player is not allowed. Also, she only allowed there to be no wounds because Kiyoshi reacted to it to prevent it and Magos accepted that.
As for the car thing, she allowed that mainly for convenience. Rejecting it would have just made our lives more difficult and would have benefitted no-one.
My point still stands. She didn't choose to side against Lantz. She could have allowed some wounds. She didn't.
So, I really have no idea where your accusation comes from.
The way she has acted here is deeply unfair, though.
How so? I remember her saying that the characters shot at should have been wounded. Is this where your issue lies?
And, no, I will not just do it in private, because I know what happens when you bring up grievences in private. They get ignored and then you get banned and painted as the bad guy. After they air all their grievences publically anyway.
I sincerely don't think you would get a ban for discussing with a GM about an RP issue. However, whether it's ignored or not is still her privilege as the game master.
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Okay people just, stop.
Stop talking, stop posting in this thread, unless what you're going to post about has nothing to do with this argument right here.
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I was going to ask a question earlier today about Ryoko's position in time, whether it's terminator logic based or back to the future based. While I would still like an answer I think the current issue has more immediacy.
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What do you mean?
You mean in terms of the possibility of her changing her own past?
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Oh god, temporal plasticity debate.
I guess it depends on how much the player wants to fiddle with the causality issues.
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Well yeah I mean the other characters aren't native to the nexus so it doesn't apply but Ryoko is so the time travel question of change effecting her or not is valid, I mean Satoshi can remove the taint for example (just an example) so would removing Dark Archer's taint change her? Would killing either change her or worse etcetera, you know typical time travel questions
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Ah, OK, so you are asking if she would suddenly vanish if her timeline was changed?
I would say for consistency's sake and for the sake of making the slightest bit of sense that she probably shouldn't change if something like that happens. The Back to the Future approach to time travel doesn't make sense because it assumes some sort of meta-time existing. If you change something that change always existed, and therefore it cannot suddenly take effect.
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If you're thinking that Lawrence already ate that taint.
For that matter how the hell does going rider cure Satoshi. There's no mention of that in the Rider Arm's powers.
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If you're thinking that Lawrence already ate that taint.
He means Dark Archer's taint, not Ryoko's taint. Untainting her doesn't have any effect on the timeline, but untainting Dark Archer before she is conceived would mean she would never have been tainted at all.
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I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.
Are you confused? Good.
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The influx of energy forced it out Arch, just like cleaning a glass
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Mike, first off all that is bullshit stating I was sabotaging the game for Lantz. It seems you still have some issues towards me. If anything, I've been taking Lantz's side for most of the damned game even though he's done some really stupid shit.
Like tracing a car through singing. That should have been fucking impossible. However I let it slide. Hell, I even gave alternatives in how to explain its existence that were plausible but they were shut the fuck down. So I let it slide to be nice.
Then I took his side with the Connor and Law conflict, making sure that Law didn't blast him in the fucking face with the shot gun. So don't you dare say Mike that I'm sabotaging Lantz's game. I've done a lot of shit for you, but I've gotten nothing in return so stop please spreading bullshit about me or you will see what I'm like when I'm not being nice.
Now I do have issues with Lantz "planning things" ahead of time. This is an RP- not a fanfic. It has a hard lesson that I had to learn once, but I'm glad I did. The only one who should be planning something in advance is me as a GM or someone I'm letting GM a campaign within the game. And to do that, all they have to do is ask me for permission. Lantz already had everything planned and didn't ask if it was really okay in the beginning; however as a GM I was being nice and letting it slide.
Another thing is it is sort of tiring to hear all of one's characters all but sing praises for another's. It's called "cheerleading" and it gets annoying. Yes, I understand that Connor is Satoshi's BFF, Taiga is his sister, and Sakura is his half sister cousin thing, but Angra shouldn't be praising him like she was. It gets really grating really quickly and I'm not the only one having that issue.
Not to mention I've gotten complaints from other players about Lantz - I am not going to name names because this shit storm has gone long enough. I've tried placating everyone's side, but evidently it is not working. So now I have to get my Dredd on and tote the law.
Also, Magos and Lantz, if you two can't play nice together then I would suggest each other just ignoring each other's characters or having as little involvement with them as possible.
Secondly, Magos- please don't kill of Satoshi. The consequences aren't worth it. I don't want this RP to be a blood bath.
Thirdly, you all have to know that I do have a life outside of the forum. I work essentially two jobs; one of which requires a lot of overtime. Not to mention I'm preparing to speak at a convention in January to help promote my writing. So I've been coming up with presentations and the like as well.
So when I'm not on, please listen to Alice. She's the admin here. If she makes a decision I'm going to go with it. Ultimately, at the end of the day, it's her Forum. She gets the last word.
In short, Magos don't kill Lantz's characters- Lantz, please take my criticisms to heart. Remember I am a published and professional author. I do know what I'm taking about, and while I'm blunt, I am trying to help.
Any questions?
Also, with how FSN time travel works, if Dark Archer gets the taint removed BEFORE Ryoko is conceived it wouldn't affect her. Why? Because she's from an alternate reality.
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So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?
...Also, there's still the issue of Lantz's reaction, so while there is an Exploit that allows Raul to flee, there's still going to be the Angels coming, and fast. Clearing out of that area is the best option.
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I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.
Are you confused? Good.
Well, the whole "if you change something the changes then suddenly propagate" thing that Back to the Future does just does not make logical sense, because those changes always existed as far as the timeline is concerned. Back to the Future basically requires there to be some sort of meta-time that (conveniently...) follows the protagonist around and ensures that anything he does only affects him after he does it.
So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?
Given that a couple of days is about 6 months in real-time, I'd say probably not....
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And Elf lays down the law.
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I guess that depends if you see her as the continuation of a line that starts at the past, so to speak, or if changing that line before her birth will not alter it in the future, but simply create an alternate one that coexists with it.
Are you confused? Good.
Well, the whole "if you change something the changes then suddenly propagate" thing that Back to the Future does just does not make logical sense, because those changes always existed as far as the timeline is concerned. Back to the Future basically requires there to be some sort of meta-time that (conveniently...) follows the protagonist around and ensures that anything he does only affects him after he does it.
So is trapping him in an alternate dimension for a couple of days OK then?
Given that a couple of days is about 6 months in real-time, I'd say probably not....
Oh geez, is the pace really that slow here?
Er, anyway, on the time travel thing: It's also possible that time travelers are 'outside' of time in the sense that changes don't affect them. So they could kill their own grandfather and still exist, even if they don't have an origin point in the timeline. Because the universe is not so small and flimsy that the misplacement of a single human being means anything to it.
But I admit that probably wouldn't be the case in any potential time-travel experiments based on the laws of physics rather than 'lol magic'.
@Elf: HAIL THE LAW.
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Mike, first off all that is bullshit stating I was sabotaging the game for Lantz. It seems you still have some issues towards me. If anything, I've been taking Lantz's side for most of the damned game even though he's done some really stupid shit.
Like tracing a car through singing. That should have been fucking impossible. However I let it slide. Hell, I even gave alternatives in how to explain its existence that were plausible but they were shut the fuck down. So I let it slide to be nice.
Then I took his side with the Connor and Law conflict, making sure that Law didn't blast him in the fucking face with the shot gun. So don't you dare say Mike that I'm sabotaging Lantz's game. I've done a lot of shit for you, but I've gotten nothing in return so stop please spreading bullshit about me or you will see what I'm like when I'm not being nice.
OK, sorry about that. I've sent you a PM.
Now I do have issues with Lantz "planning things" ahead of time. This is an RP- not a fanfic. It has a hard lesson that I had to learn once, but I'm glad I did. The only one who should be planning something in advance is me as a GM or someone I'm letting GM a campaign within the game. And to do that, all they have to do is ask me for permission. Lantz already had everything planned and didn't ask if it was really okay in the beginning; however as a GM I was being nice and letting it slide.
Well, there's nothing wrong with planning out how your characters will act but, yeah, you can't assume that they will get the response they want, or that your plans won't get screwed-up.
So when I'm not on, please listen to Alice. She's the admin here. If she makes a decision I'm going to go with it. Ultimately, at the end of the day, it's her Forum. She gets the last word.
Well, she's not the only admin, and being the admin doesn't grant you the automatic right to the last word in an argument.
But, yeah, people should listen to her. I appointed these people as admins for a reason....
Oh geez, is the pace really that slow here?
It's not so much that it's slow as it is that we have had a lot of stuff going on. Although, also, we are on different timezones, so sometimes we might only get a post a day done, and sometimes people are busy so it's a bit less.
Er, anyway, on the time travel thing: It's also possible that time travelers are 'outside' of time in the sense that changes don't affect them. So they could kill their own grandfather and still exist, even if they don't have an origin point in the timeline. Because the universe is not so small and flimsy that the misplacement of a single human being means anything to it.
But I admit that probably wouldn't be the case in any potential time-travel experiments based on the laws of physics rather than 'lol magic'.
@Elf: HAIL THE LAW.
In terms of physics the only really plausible explanation (especially in a universe with multiple dimensions being canonical) is to say that changing the timeline creates an alterate dimension. So, in other words, the moment Ryoko showed up the Nexus we're in diverged from the Nexus her parents were from.
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And I read and responded to the PM.
Hey, any chance I can use Judge Dredd I'm going to take it. God I want a sequel to that movie so fucking bad. It was perfect.
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And I read and responded to the PM.
Hey, any chance I can use Judge Dredd I'm going to take it. God I want a sequel to that movie so fucking bad. It was perfect.
I'm shocked you haven't included Dredd as a PC yet.
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God, he would get on so badly with my characters, especially Rider....
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Whelp, time to get the hell out of dodge. FOUR MINUTES AGO GO.
Now time for Raul to down a gallon of hotsauce and act totally out of character by fleeing and not fighting against the trap, but thems the shakes.
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Well, yeah, unfortunately it does seem like there is no way for him and Toshi to fight that won't result in them both dying....
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I'll just say this if guys want my characters to be less outlandish then it is simple. Include my characters instead of avoiding them, yeah being blown up to theatrical proportion isn't ideal but when you guys actively avoid my characters I don't exactly have a choice but to propel my characters forward which leads to unnecessary planning.
did everyone understand me? I ask because you all keep saying my communication sucks. So seriously please do sound off if you understand what I'm asking for.
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I'm shocked you haven't included Dredd as a PC yet.
Oh god, it would be beautiful . . . Please don't tempt me.
However, while watching a guy painfully frown and blow up people while enforcing the law is fun, playing it not so much.
But . . . "Indecent exposure. Four months. Isocube."
Thank you Magos.
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I'll just say this if guys want my characters to be less outlandish then it is simple. Include my characters instead of avoiding them, yeah being blown up to theatrical proportion isn't ideal but when you guys actively avoid my characters I don't exactly have a choice but to propel my characters forward which leads to unnecessary planning.
did everyone understand me? I ask because you all keep saying my communication sucks. So seriously please do sound off if you understand what I'm asking for.
Avoiding your characters is how people demonstrate they wish to disengage from interacting with them. I personally think the problem there is you not respecting that they don't want to interact with them, rather than their refusal to engage.
@Elf: Temptation temptation~
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I'll just say this if guys want my characters to be less outlandish then it is simple. Include my characters instead of avoiding them, yeah being blown up to theatrical proportion isn't ideal but when you guys actively avoid my characters I don't exactly have a choice but to propel my characters forward which leads to unnecessary planning.
I don't think people are deliberately avoiding you in general, but your characters do share your tendancy to miscommunicate a lot, which makes the other characters wary of them ICly. For example the stuff with Sakura getting mad at Rin, where you completely misunderstood what Rin was saying and acting like she was claiming Toshi was worse than Gil. Similarly, Taiga was quite mean to Kiyoshi when they first met, and not every character is going to just overlook that.
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Ok Aiden, stalemate the problem that'll work really well.
my characters aren't lamp posts, I want to play the damn game and I'm trying to take elf's point to heart and explain the bloody issue so we can avoid it.
and no Arch trapping my characters for days given the time progression is a bit unfair here.
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I'll just say this if guys want my characters to be less outlandish then it is simple. Include my characters instead of avoiding them, yeah being blown up to theatrical proportion isn't ideal but when you guys actively avoid my characters I don't exactly have a choice but to propel my characters forward which leads to unnecessary planning.
did everyone understand me? I ask because you all keep saying my communication sucks. So seriously please do sound off if you understand what I'm asking for.
Avoiding your characters is how people demonstrate they wish to disengage from interacting with them. I personally think the problem there is you not respecting that they don't want to interact with them, rather than their refusal to engage.
I think you're slightly missing the point here, though. Lantz is not saying they don't have the right to not interact with him, he's saying that, if no-one but me interacts with him it's difficult for him to really get any character development going unless he forces it, and it's difficult for him to get involved in any events unless he plans them out.
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Mike, pencils and erasers, characters aren't perfect, it's part of their character. And Sakura flat out said that she wanted an opportunity to straighten things out
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I'll just say this if guys want my characters to be less outlandish then it is simple. Include my characters instead of avoiding them, yeah being blown up to theatrical proportion isn't ideal but when you guys actively avoid my characters I don't exactly have a choice but to propel my characters forward which leads to unnecessary planning.
did everyone understand me? I ask because you all keep saying my communication sucks. So seriously please do sound off if you understand what I'm asking for.
Avoiding your characters is how people demonstrate they wish to disengage from interacting with them. I personally think the problem there is you not respecting that they don't want to interact with them, rather than their refusal to engage.
I think you're slightly missing the point here, though. Lantz is not saying they don't have the right to not interact with him, he's saying that, if no-one but me interacts with him it's difficult for him to really get any character development going unless he forces it, and it's difficult for him to get involved in any events unless he plans them out.
That doesn't change the point that people don't have an obligation to interact with his characters if they don't want to.
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Especially when his characters frankly, act like assholes.
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Mike, pencils and erasers, characters aren't perfect, it's part of their character. And Sakura flat out said that she wanted an opportunity to straighten things out
Sure, but whilst "it's their character" is a valid OOC excuse for how they act is it not a valid IC excuse. If your characters treat everyone else like shit then they're going to get the same treatment in response.
That doesn't change the point that people don't have an obligation to interact with his characters if the don't want to.
Sure, but Lantz never claimed they did. He has not forced anyone to interact with him, at least beyond general group clusterfucks and other reasonable actions that the rest of us have also taken. Raul showed up at the castle because Magos chose to, as did Inferno Cop and Rider.
All he was saying is that, in the absense of anyone willing to involve his characters, he has to make his own storylines in order to not be left twiddling his thumbs. If no-one else wants to involve him then planning things out for himself makes perfect sense.
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Lantz, read what Mike said:
I don't think people are deliberately avoiding you in general, but your characters do share your tendancy to miscommunicate a lot, which makes the other characters wary of them ICly. For example the stuff with Sakura getting mad at Rin, where you completely misunderstood what Rin was saying and acting like she was claiming Toshi was worse than Gil. Similarly, Taiga was quite mean to Kiyoshi when they first met, and not every character is going to just overlook that.
If someone was a douche to you, would you want to go talk to them?
Taiga was really mean to Kiyoshi when they first met, and Sakura had this very superior attitude when she met the main group.
Look at the characters who get along well with people and have a lot of play. They don't have to be super nice to get interaction. Lancer won respect by being Lancer- He talked to people, got pissy at both Archers, and he's bro. Haku-chan gets people talking to her because she's nice and not really helpless, but sort of brings out protective instincts in people.
Not to mention, having interaction doesn't mean they have to be buddy buddy. Look at Forest and Rider's interaction. They're not going to go out and be best friends, but they did talk to each other. Even if Forest found Rider's constant perv a little scary and Rider didn't like the fact that Forest could see into her mind.
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It happens, letting characters reveal why or hell in Sakura's case apologize for flipping out as she did is a decent part of development of characters and relationships. Not everything is a perfect how do you do
and Sakura came off as superior I guess but then this is her job, go to a place do a thing write a report. She just tries to hard, you guys would know that if she wasn't laid up from a stupid (and yes in hindsight impossible move but really we were kinda fucked because Sakura can't hop back and forth between worlds, I like accuracy in my characters abilities) and hey she fucking apologized right afterwards and said she wanted a chance to make amends. I think that's fair.
and Taiga is mean yeah a lil bit but she's out of her comfort zone and she takes Kiyoshi seriously about being a hero, her role model for teacher and student are her mom and brother. Is it ideal? Fuck no, she's eight without supervision.
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It happens, letting characters reveal why or hell in Sakura's case apologize for flipping out as she did is a decent part of development of characters and relationships. Not everything is a perfect how do you do
Lantz, I'm trying to explain this to you. So is Mike.
Yet you're being defensive about it when we're trying to help. That's part of what the problem is.
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It happens, letting characters reveal why or hell in Sakura's case apologize for flipping out as she did is a decent part of development of characters and relationships. Not everything is a perfect how do you do
Yeah, sure, but first impressions do count for a lot. Plus, Rin's anger management isn't exactly top-notch either.
The thing is that this has to be realistic. If the first thing someone does when you meet them is scream abuse at you you're probably not going to look fondly on them. Apologising is fine but you are going to have to do more than that to make them actually like you, or even to want to interact with you.
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At the same time the way your characters act is quite frankly, horrible. Like they are the type of people that I would go to all measures to avoid dealing with in real life.
I mean, good god. They are masters of the overreaction.
Satoshi sighed and flipped his magic circuit into the on position, the one draw back of being the dragon right down to the soul was that once on it was obvious where he was and just how strong he was. Not ideal for him in a city like the one he found himself in but still he needed to make a point and turned around to face archer and rider as his outfit melted away replaced with his own azure mantle and shinning steel armour.
"I was not speaking about Sakura Rider, I was talking about the other lives you insulted." he stated flatly staring at Archer as the blonde materialized his massive whip sword dragon tail, the sword was entirely blunt like a steel oar save for a pair of protrusions at the end similar to an anchor. The blade was slightly bigger than Hercules own rock sword yet it put no strain on it's wielder.
"speak again as you have Archer and your master will find herself without a servant, harm that other Emiya and I will come after you, you have no idea what you are talking about so clam up" he snapped at the biker clad servant
This was I think, in response to Archer pretty much telling the truth. I mean seriously Lantz, he's threatening Archer. ARCHER. OVER NOTHING. HE'S THREATENING TO KILL ACCORDING TO YOU, THE SAME DUDE AS HIS DAD, OVER NOTHING.
What a fucking douchebag.
For that matter, another issue is your constant freaking gushing over how perfect and noble Satoshi is, when nothing he does backs that up. At all. Ever. For someone 2000+ years old he acts like an utter moron.
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I edited my reply, look guys I'm fixing the now issue, I can't time travel and use future knowledge to change things.
I can't do anything but mark it down as yeah it wasn't a stellar move, best avoid that in the future
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This was I think, in response to Archer pretty much telling the truth. I mean seriously Lantz, he's threatening Archer. ARCHER. OVER NOTHING. HE'S THREATENING TO KILL ACCORDING TO YOU, THE SAME DUDE AS HIS DAD, OVER NOTHING.
What a fucking douchebag.
Yeah, this bit he did get called out on by just about everyone, Rider included.
For that matter, another issue is your constant freaking gushing over how perfect and noble Satoshi is, when nothing he does backs that up. At all. Ever. For someone 2000+ years old he acts like an utter moron.
To be fair, he is currently corrupted (well, was, anyway...). Compare Dark Sakura to normal Sakura....
Also, if you believed everything Kiyoshi says about his parents you'd think Sakura was an angel descended from heaven. True she is pretty nice, but she's not perfect, yet he would make her out to be.
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Arch seriously stuff it, if your demon hadn't interrupted Archer (Alice's) was going to get an apology over the phone from Satoshi and an explanation for why, there is a reason.
and no he doesn't act 2000 but there's again a reason for that
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To be fair, he is currently corrupted (well, was, anyway...). Compare Dark Sakura to normal Sakura....
That shouldn't apply to the pretty dickish way he was acting before he got corrupted, or 'Sakura' acting like a total fucking bitch all the damn time (And then the van thing) also, and Taiga kinda being this utter asshole to basically everyone and acting violently when people try and help her. I mean seriously. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for her? Because if we are, that's not how you get sympathy points. At all.
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That shouldn't apply to the pretty dickish way he was acting before he got corrupted,
No, sure, but Lantz has already admitted that the way Toshi acted then was a mistake. As he said, he can't go back in time and change it.
or 'Sakura' acting like a total fucking bitch all the damn time (And then the van thing)
Sakura is Rin's daughter, "acting like a bitch" is not entirely unreasonable, especially when she's angry. And the van thing was just convinience, if she'd not done that we'd have spent the next 50 posts walking home....
also, and Taiga kinda being this utter asshole to basically everyone and acting violently when people try and help her. I mean seriously. Are we supposed to feel sympathy for her? Because if we are, that's not how you get sympathy points. At all.
Well, Taiga is a little child. Children do act like that.
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I mean I get it elf, mike they weren't the best openings but if the players won't let the interaction go past that I can't do anything. It's not just on me here, I need other players to play the game and let my characters move forward.
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Well, what does Toshi intend to say to Archer about why he made the threat? Because if it's "well, servants have less right to live" I don't see that going across too well....
But, yeah, I think people should give you a chance to put things right if you botched your opening. Although, it does have to make sense in-character. They're not going to instantly just say "let's ignore everything that happened and act as if we've only just met her", you need to do some groundwork here.
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Arch seriously stuff it, if your demon hadn't interrupted Archer (Alice's) was going to get an apology over the phone from Satoshi and an explanation for why, there is a reason.
and no he doesn't act 2000 but there's again a reason for that
It's a reason people aren't seeing, based on the reactions here. I wouldn't know, I wasn't here and I haven't read everything yet.
And to be reasonable here, did he have any way of knowing that an apology like that was going to happen? Did you communicate this fact beforehand? Honest question, because I didn't read it yet.
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lantz, people will interact with your characters if they want to interact with your characters. What you need to do is make your characters more 'attractive' to other players, who will then want to have their own characters associate with yours. Otherwise there's no point to it. Basically, you have to make those interactions you want desirable for others in addition to yourself.
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It's long and complicated mike, the gist of it is Satoshi explaining to Archer that Archer took a drill to a few nerves and reopened old wounds causing Satoshi to flip his shit. It's way longer than that with a lot more emotion behind it but yeah
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lantz, people will interact with your characters if they want to interact with your characters. What you need to do is make your characters more 'attractive' to other players, who will then want to have their own characters associate with yours. Otherwise there's no point to it. Basically, you have to make those interactions you want desirable for others in addition to yourself.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, why do you think Rider went off to the castle to fight Toshi?
It's long and complicated mike, the gist of it is Satoshi explaining to Archer that Archer took a drill to a few nerves and reopened old wounds causing Satoshi to flip his shit. It's way longer than that with a lot more emotion behind it but yeah
What "old wounds"?
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...lantz, I don't see what "old wounds" would justify the type of reaction Toshi gave. He threatened to kill Archer for what was basically nothing. In front of Hakuno. Just after Toshi finished defending the man who tried to kill her. I don't think that justification would placate Archer in the slightest.
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Just trust me Alice, I'm being brief there's a lot more to it. It's going to be a text wall of stuff
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Just trust me Alice, I'm being brief there's a lot more to it. It's going to be a text wall of stuff
It might be a good idea if you run it past her first, anyway. It's not going to help if the apology would only piss Archer off more....
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Basically, Raul's involvement from the point he rewound back to, forward, retroactively never happened.
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Basically, Raul's involvement from the point he rewound back to, forward, retroactively never happened.
Well, what does that mean for Toshi? Would he be questioning why he transformed?
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Basically, Raul's involvement from the point he rewound back to, forward, retroactively never happened.
Well, what does that mean for Toshi? Would he be questioning why he transformed?
No, he would not recognize that anything happened, because from the perspective of anyone who wasn't Raul the events that he rewound never occurred.
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Basically, Raul's involvement from the point he rewound back to, forward, retroactively never happened.
Well, what does that mean for Toshi? Would he be questioning why he transformed?
No, he would not recognize that anything happened, because from the perspective of anyone who wasn't Raul the events that he rewound never occurred.
So the Castle would still be there, the knight would be "alive" and Angra would still exist?
It affects me too, since Rider may or may not have seen Angra vanish.
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Hmm, Magos, if Raul has rewound time, what does that mean for Toshi? What would he see?
Basically, Raul's involvement from the point he rewound back to, forward, retroactively never happened.
Well, what does that mean for Toshi? Would he be questioning why he transformed?
No, he would not recognize that anything happened, because from the perspective of anyone who wasn't Raul the events that he rewound never occurred.
So the Castle would still be there, the knight would be "alive" and Angra would still exist?
It depends on how far back he rewound things, which I didn't check yet. Magos, how far did you intend for the post to rewind things?
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He said that Raul was still "in cover", which would presumably mean Toshi never transformed.
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He said that Raul was still "in cover", which would presumably mean Toshi never transformed.
Probably.
Magos, your input?
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Yeah, Magos is the best one to explain this.
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Put short? Yes.
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Hmm, so, basically, nothing after my last post as Rider happened?
Would Toshi have any sense of deja-vu or similar? Or would it just be completely gone?
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Hmm, so, basically, nothing after my last post as Rider happened?
Would Toshi have any sense of deja-vu or similar? Or would it just be completely gone?
I think the deja-vu or 'completely gone' would be up to him, but there's no way for him to recovery memory of what happened since it... didn't happen.
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OK, just checking.
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Character sheet awawa-waiting Elf approval.
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Gone, never happened. He'd still be corrupted, though I'd rule that he's got an inkling SOMETHING happened, but has no idea what.
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So deja vu then for Angra, Satoshi and Saber, now then does that mean post wise it's my turn again?
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So deja vu then for Angra, Satoshi and Saber, now then does that mean post wise it's my turn again?
Well, Angra-wise I need to reply with Rider. With the others I guess it is, yeah.
Also, I have a question about Tsukasa. How similar to Sakura does she look? Is she close enough that Kiyoshi would mistake her for a younger version of his mother, bearing in mind that he knows Sakura's hair and eye colour is not the colour she was born with and should not be passed on to her children.
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Assuming that he's never seen the pre fsn pictures of Sakura he could mistake Tsukasa as such
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Well, he's going to have seen pictures of her at around that age, certainly. Her wedding photos, for example....
I would imagine there would be prominent pictures in his house showing Sakura as a young adult, and also that she'd have shown him photo albums and even family videos. He won't have seen anything prior to the Grail War, though, I very much doubt that the Matous went out for family portraits (and even if they did Sakura would probably have burnt them), and I see no indication of Shirou having taken photos with her either.
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Tsukasa and Sir Bonesingtson are approved.
(Man, Sir Bonesington sounds awesome.)
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Well I meant pre fsn in the figure sense, since Sakura didn't develop physical prior to that
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Oh god yes! Undead fancy man ftw
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Well I meant pre fsn in the figure sense, since Sakura didn't develop physical prior to that
Eh, what do you mean?
I thought you said Tsukasa had Sakura's body type....
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Tsukasa and Sir Bonesingtson are approved.
(Man, Sir Bonesington sounds awesome.)
Yaaaaaaaay~
Thanks!
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She does mike, I meant that it would be obvious to someone who had seen Sakura prespurt that Tsukasa isn't Sakura. There's an obvious difference in the way Sakura carries herself, plus the height issue
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She does mike, I meant that it would be obvious to someone who had seen Sakura prespurt that Tsukasa isn't Sakura. There's an obvious difference in the way Sakura carries herself, plus the height issue
Well, he wouldn't have seen anything before her growth spurt, no. Although, remember, I use a different assumption about Sakura's age than you do in any case, so when she was 18 in my timeline her growth spurt will have been complete.
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Sir Bonesington appearance pic updated. Credit to editing goes to KAIZA. ^C^
Will see about posting something now.
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Kaiza did good work.
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So deja vu then for Angra, Satoshi and Saber, now then does that mean post wise it's my turn again?
Actually, no Deja Vu. They don't remember anything but something's off.
EDIT: For that matter, you can't tell the cops 'Wait three days' in a case like this, Satosh's still getting arrested for property destruction, theft etc etc.
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Names will act as he wishes and I'll reply thereafter Arch. You have no say in his actions or mine
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Names will act as he wishes and I'll reply thereafter Arch. You have no say in his actions or mine
I don't but I've got a very good guess here.
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Wait, funky point, Inferno Cop is a Real God. He's rewritten the world back from being filled with himself. He's pretty everywhere when he's in power.
So... would it be a stretch to assume he sorta remembers the Benevolent Citizen and the Parking Violator's FINAL FORM?
Basically I want him to call Satoshi a dragon dude.
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Wait, funky point, Inferno Cop is a Real God. He's rewritten the world back from being filled with himself. He's pretty everywhere when he's in power.
So... would it be a stretch to assume he sorta remembers the Benevolent Citizen and the Parking Violator's FINAL FORM?
Basically I want him to call Satoshi a dragon dude.
Nope. Inferno Cop is one of the few characters who I could actually see remembering, simply because he's on par with the God-Machine.
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Wait, funky point, Inferno Cop is a Real God. He's rewritten the world back from being filled with himself. He's pretty everywhere when he's in power.
So... would it be a stretch to assume he sorta remembers the Benevolent Citizen and the Parking Violator's FINAL FORM?
Basically I want him to call Satoshi a dragon dude.
Nope. Inferno Cop is one of the few characters who I could actually see remembering, simply because he's on par with the God-Machine.
I wonder if a goddess being overthrown by mortal hands counts as a violation of cosmic law?
Because I could go places with this...
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Okay, Lantz, Inferno Cop is going to try to bring Satoshi in again.
Keep in mind Satoshi feels like something is really off, and Inferno Cop just brought up "Resisting Arrest AGAIN". He's a guy who's traveled in time before, right? He should feel like there's something up he should know, something which Inferno Cop obviously does know, right?
He might not usually bend to the law, but he has a reason to go along with it this time.
Also keep in mind that bail and house arrests are things. If he had the money to procure the deeds legally, he has the money for bail.
Not telling you how to RP, just giving you more reason to not resist arrest.
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I wish I had seen this before I posted
to clarify Satoshi has a shit ton of money, I mean it's in character for him to be a bit of a prick in the dark form but expedition of the process is also good.
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If you want you can edit, I guess?
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Ok gimmie a second
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Edited, I just added a line about paying the fine if inferno can sign off
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Er... Lantz.... theft is generally not something you pay a fine for.
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He hasn't actually stolen anything
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Er... Lantz.... theft is generally not something you pay a fine for.
I think in this case it is, since there isn't really much alternative. He's obviously not going to accept a long prison sentence, and the Nexus doesn't really seem to have a criminal justice system to impose one in any case....
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Bail and the cumulative total of fine amounts are decided by a judge, not by a sole officer.
It oh so happens that Inferno Cop knows a really good judge. He can get him on the phone asap. But proper procedure is a thing, and grand theft is not a civil charge and would involve a criminal trial. This is where bail comes in, one Satoshi can pay. He gets a trial date, he pays bail to the judge, he can wander in between trial sessions.
We'll make an RP scene out of it.
And really, for identification all Inferno Cop needs is a badge and a badge number, mostly if he's making an arrest on an active criminal. Which by technical accounts, he is.
...Which is all stuff I should be saying in the RP, I guess, though you ought to know this OOC as well.
And he has stolen land. And Mike, there is a normal police force as Elf said earlier, so there must be a criminal justice system as well.
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Seriously Satoshi hasn't stolen anything. Everything he's done are things you get fines for
grand theft what exactly? He's occupying a place illegally that's a fine not theft
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Seriously Satoshi hasn't stolen anything. Everything he's done are things you get fines for
No, he's stolen land. This is an actual thing. He's stolen someone else's property by building a structure on it without permission, and on top of that destroyed the previous one. It's also not to code.
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No, he's stolen land. This is an actual thing. He's stolen someone else's property by building a structure on it without permission, and on top of that destroyed the previous one. It's also not to code.
Grand theft in this, specifically. He's stolen land by building on land that wasn't his.
The not to code thing is something else though, though also fineable.
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It was abandoned and inferno knows that the original building is still there. It's not really grand theft when the only structure is unsound it's just better squatting. Neither is good, but the castle is a big tent really, ic saw it collapse in one go, generally anything that can be packed up that fast isn't considered a building
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He's still using the land illegally.
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Bail and the cumulative total of fine amounts are decided by a judge, not by a sole officer.
It oh so happens that Inferno Cop knows a really good judge. He can get him on the phone asap. But proper procedure is a thing, and grand theft is not a civil charge and would involve a criminal trial. This is where bail comes in, one Satoshi can pay. He gets a trial date, he pays bail to the judge, he can wander in between trial sessions.
We'll make an RP scene out of it.
And really, for identification all Inferno Cop needs is a badge and a badge number, mostly if he's making an arrest on an active criminal. Which by technical accounts, he is.
...Which is all stuff I should be saying in the RP, I guess, though you ought to know this OOC as well.
And he has stolen land. And Mike, there is a normal police force as Elf said earlier, so there must be a criminal justice system as well.
Well, if he does get convicted and sent to prison Rider would happily bust him out if she gets sex for it. Assuming he can't just walk out himself, since I doubt that they have prisons capable of holding supernatural beings.
Although, given how long trials usually take I doubt we'll get around to it any time in the remotely near future.
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In any case post names
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Well, if he does get convicted and sent to prison Rider would happily bust him out if she gets sex for it.
Although, given how long trials usually take I doubt we'll get around to it any time in the remotely near future.
Inferno Cop knows a really good judge, like I said. He can have the trial date set not too long after he gets back to HQ, which will mean there will be bail that can be paid.
Basically all it means is that the police force will be keeping an eye on Satoshi in the meantime, Inferno Cop especially. And knowing Inferno Cop's attention span...
He will wrangle Satoshi on the actual trial date, though.
But yeah Lantz it doesn't matter: Satoshi built property where it wasn't his to build. And he very clearly stated he demolished the buildings under that were set for it, which is a)not his job so qualifies as massive property damage and b)removes the idea of squatting from the equation.
BUT HEY THAT'S WHAT JURIES ARE FOR
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Names dude I meant in the RP post there
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Dude I was writing that post up before you posted yours, I didn't mean it as an answer.
RP post is set and placed.
BTW, for all of you great enough to know the Inferno Cop series, the judge Inferno Cop knows?
MISTA JUDGE
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Okay so here is a bit of an impasse. See Tsukasa wasn't dressed like a ninja for fashion she's here for lethal combat, she and Satoshi train together and she's hunting him down. I sorta planned it to be that Satoshi loses for talking to inferno cop because flaming skull guy is an attention grabber.
I expected inferno to get something from an npc or something like that and find Satoshi bleeding out and take him to a hospital or something. I still want this to happen but it supposedly could look like a cop out to get him out of prison time when its just the way she's supposed to act
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Well, Inferno Cop could react. He could shield Satoshi and scare away tsukasa with the explody gun and general attitude, and then immediately disregard the notion she exists(He forgot about the time-rewind fairly fast). Tsukasa feels the need to keep her distance and wait for an opportunity, so Inferno Cop and Satoshi head to the police center.
Satoshi stews in a cell for a bit while Inferno Cop calls up MISTA JUDGE, some prep time happens (Not long, MISTA JUDGE is really good at his job), Satoshi gets a trial date and bail to pay if he wants freedom in the meantime.
He pays bail and walks out, but Inferno Cop keeps an eye on him as he should. He turns a street, Tsukasa attacks, Inferno Cop sees him bleeding and hospital happens.
That a valid alternative?
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...Lantz. You're doing the exact same thing you did earlier. You cannot demand Inferno Cop act like that.
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Well, Inferno Cop could react. He could shield Satoshi and scare away tsukasa with the explody gun and general attitude, and then immediately disregard the notion she exists(He forgot about the time-rewind fairly fast). Tsukasa feels the need to keep her distance and wait for an opportunity, so Inferno Cop and Satoshi head to the police center.
Satoshi stews in a cell for a bit while Inferno Cop calls up MISTA JUDGE, some prep time happens (Not long, MISTA JUDGE is really good at his job), Satoshi gets a trial date and bail to pay if he wants freedom in the meantime.
He pays bail and walks out, but Inferno Cop keeps an eye on him as he should. He turns a street, Tsukasa attacks, Inferno Cop sees him bleeding and hospital happens.
That a valid alternative?
Well, I think that Lantz probably would rather not get arrested, since it means having to go through the whole "trial" thing.
...Lantz. You're doing the exact same thing you did earlier. You cannot demand Inferno Cop act like that.
No, but he can ask.
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Not right away. Trials don't happen immediately after being decided on. It can take weeks. Which for us, means years.
Besides, it'd be fun! We could make a roll-based system to decide the side of vote that every juror decides on, and add modifiers based on the good arguments, their validity being decided by an impartial third person.
The defendant has to twist the facts as much as possible to get points, and the prosecution has to have as many hard facts on their side to rack up their points. They could steal points by discrediting the other's arguments, and all sorts of stuff.
At the same time we have character stuff going between Rider and Satoshi, and the cops, and the moment would be tense in general.
It'd be an amazing opportunity for hardcore RPing!
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I didn't demand anything arch.
well no names, see because logically if a ninja gets seen before the first strike they lose, in which case Tsukasa halts, finds out the situation and would logically teleport away with Satoshi.
I'm sorta stuck because both logical character options look like intentionally coping out
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Lol, you really seem set on the whole "trial" thing, Names. I don't think Lantz is quite so enthusiastic, though....
Also, by "impartial third person" I assume you mean "the GM" :P
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I didn't demand anything arch.
well no names, see because logically if a ninja gets seen before the first strike they lose, in which case Tsukasa halts, finds out the situation and would logically teleport away with Satoshi.
I'm sorta stuck because both logical character options look like intentionally coping out
Well, maybe if Inferno Cop got jumpy and looked around, so tsukasa would halt in caution, and even if she does figure out the situation we've gone past the "I'm arresting you" part and more the "down to the station we go" part, which she shouldn't be too wary about. It's just Satoshi going someplace with some flaming head dude. Maybe she should track them and wait for a moment to ambush him later, when flaming head dude isn't there.
Then we go on from what I said earlier. Jail, call Judge, Bail and date, bail paid, walks away, Inferno Cop finds him bleeding later while following him.
There has to be some way to make both sides of this work.
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Well, the question is whether we really want the whole "trial" thing. I know you do, but I don't think Lantz does.
Honestly, if it is something he intended to do anyway and is in-character, I think he should just have Tsukasa teleport Toshi out or attack him as appropriate. The issue was more him using it as a cop-out, if it was already intended and just happens to give him an out here I think it is perfectly fine to go ahead with it.
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Well it's less about the hospital visit outright. And the other thing is that even disregarding Tsukasa I'm not sure how the trial is supposed to work or being arrested, the latter I want to avoid because it's near Arch's character Lawrence and the former seems like a gag that runs too long.
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Well the thing with the trial is that if he loses because of bad luck(they'd be roll based, after all), there are certain "accidents" that can happen, mostly with the friends he has. "Accidents" that would leave him looking dead, but which would really give him freedom.
The trial idea is just so full of RPing potential. It'd be awesome.
But the thing is, having her randomly pop up and whisk Satoshi away would be a cop out(pun intended), and really having Inferno Cop look away from a second for her to attack is just a recipe for him forgetting about this whole thing and trying to conquer the castle of the guy bleeding on the floor instead of helping him, because HEY CONQUERING A CASTLE THAT'S NOVEL
It's in character okay.
Just, this arrest has had a lot of buildup, and a lot of twists and turns. It'd be kinda lame if I got lolnoped out of it.
Can't she hold back attacking or whisking until he's in a jail cell waiting on Inferno Cop to make a phonecall? He'd be looking away, it's the opportunity she's waiting for.
And Lawrence is locked in his cell dude, he can't do shit. And he'll be... otherwise occupied.
For the trial... I'm still figuring the mechanics out, but I have an idea. It'd be d20, with 1-10 being guilty and 11-20 being not guilty. Those can be modified depending on if the defence has a point (-1) or the prosecution does (+1). If the defence has two arguments and the offense has none, it's be 9-20 for not guilty on the roll. The rest would basically just be a trial, back and forth.
Oh, and one dice roll per juror.
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And Lawrence is locked in his cell dude, he can't do shit. And he'll be... otherwise occupied.
If you mean getting his brains fucked out by Ran, yes. Yes he will.
We need to get that started by the way.
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Yes we do.
... by this point I'm just going to assume Gun Cop went with Axe Cop to go train. Mord hasn't shown up in a solid week.
Let me see if I can make sense of a Ran RP post before I have to go to bed.
Any thoughts on the Trial mechanics, btw?
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Yes we do.
... by this point I'm just going to assume Gun Cop went with Axe Cop to go train. Mord hasn't shown up in a solid week.
Yeah, that's fair. Elf does say in the first post that we can do that.
Any thoughts on the Trial mechanics, btw?
I think it is a matter of whether a trial is something people want to RP or not....
Anyway, I'm not going to get Kiyoshi's post done tonight, unfortunately. There's quite a bit of stuff to deal with and I've failed miserably at doing much other than arguing and apologising for being an idiot and misunderstanding things / expressing myself horribly this weekend....
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Yes we do.
... by this point I'm just going to assume Gun Cop went with Axe Cop to go train. Mord hasn't shown up in a solid week.
Let me see if I can make sense of a Ran RP post before I have to go to bed.
Any thoughts on the Trial mechanics, btw?
Well, considering this is rather cut and dry with multiple law enforcement officer and civilian witnesses to the crime, it should be something more like a 1 in ten chance that Satoshi can make his way out of this, on a 19 or 20. Of course a good lawyer could have modifiers but this is a rather cut and dry case.
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Yeah, which is why I'm not sure the trial really makes sense here. Honestly Toshi is so obviously guilty that he should just plead guilty and then bust out after if the penalty is any jail time....
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@Bloble: Because our characters hadn't even properly introduced themselves yet, there. Introduction post!
Baked goods will follow. And Luka being freaked out by cars.
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@Bloble: Because our characters hadn't even properly introduced themselves yet, there. Introduction post!
Baked goods will follow. And Luka being freaked out by cars.
I sort of want Henderson to pick them up as hitchhikers. But I'll settle for bones. Or for him terrifying some poor NPC fast food workers.
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The whole sword in the throat option looks better and better...
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Well, considering this is rather cut and dry with multiple law enforcement officer and civilian witnesses to the crime, it should be something more like a 1 in ten chance that Satoshi can make his way out of this, on a 19 or 20. Of course a good lawyer could have modifiers but this is a rather cut and dry case.
That's where the twisting of facts comes into play!
Get the lawyer to make him look misguided, but not out to harm anyone. Make him sympathetic. Appeal to the emotional core instead of the factual one.
Point out that he specifically went to the deserted part of town as to not disrupt anyone. Mention he didn't violently resist arrest, when he certainly could have. Mention he was only using land deemed worthless, that his theft was of something almost everyone saw as having no value.
Meanwhile the prosecution would be hitting them with facts and evidence, but depending on how poignant the defense is these facts might have their points stolen. It's not all fact, the jury is made up of people.
Hell, even pleading guilty might earn him a point simply by making him look repentant. He knows he's done wrong by the law, and he's willing to atone.
We can make this interesting.
But if Lantz wants to have tsukasa bust him out of jail, or if he wants to shake off Inferno Cop while on bail and doing whatever he wants, then that is also something he can do.
Hey Lantz, so what do you have to say about this:But the thing is, having her randomly pop up and whisk Satoshi away would be a cop out(pun intended), and really having Inferno Cop look away from a second for her to attack is just a recipe for him forgetting about this whole thing and trying to conquer the castle of the guy bleeding on the floor instead of helping him, because HEY CONQUERING A CASTLE THAT'S NOVEL
It's in character okay.
Just, this arrest has had a lot of buildup, and a lot of twists and turns. It'd be kinda lame if I got lolnoped out of it.
Can't she hold back attacking or whisking until he's in a jail cell waiting on Inferno Cop to make a phonecall? He'd be looking away, it's the opportunity she's waiting for.
And Lawrence is locked in his cell dude, he can't do shit. And he'll be... otherwise occupied.
I mean, I'd like to settle this problem before thinking up more trial stuff.
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The whole sword in the throat option looks better and better...
What?
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What?
Obviously he is thinking of having Satoshi join the circus.
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Is Satoshi really the best candidate for this kind of event names? I mean all I can think of the number of problems that Satoshi create during every step.
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Sent you a PM with details, don't really care about the trial that much.
It's just an interesting thing with an interesting mechanic that I'll use sometime in the future.
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@Aiden: Want to handle the description of the bakery and transition, or should I do it?
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@Aiden: Want to handle the description of the bakery and transition, or should I do it?
I'll handle it, no worries. Just give me a reply.
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Alright, Ran RP post tomorrow, gotta rest up for that second day of shoveling.
Buildup is haaaaarrrrrdddddd
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;_;
nooooooooo!
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Angel's profile is up.
Meet the Scourge of Europe, The One with the Angelic Face, Champion of the Powers that Be . . .
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Alright, Ran RP post tomorrow, gotta rest up for that second day of shoveling.
Buildup is haaaaarrrrrdddddd
Oh god, you got the storm too?
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Hahaha. I got the snowstorm yesterday. Fucking Canada.
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I hope it doesn't hit the midwest, I'm going home tomorrow!
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Hopefully it would continue to be nice, or at least consensual.
His thoughts say no, but his body goes 'bring it woman'.
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In game the only human female he regularly talks to is the innkeeper lady who raised him. He's grown acclimated to girls trying to molest him, so Valda not doing so is kind of creeping him out.
Luka had a hard life. ;_;
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In game the only human female he regularly talks to is the innkeeper lady who raised him. He's grown acclimated to girls trying to molest him, so Valda not doing so is kind of creeping him out.
Luka had a hard life. ;_;
God, out of character a moment I really feel bad for this guy.
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Woohoo first post in over a month!
Now I can get to doing stuff.
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Hmm, Lantz, Angra's offer to Rider still holds, right? Or is she going to have to discuss what Angra is OK with again?
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Oh god, you got the storm too?
Eh, not much of a storm. Just 40 cm over the course of a day and night. Schools wouldn't have even closed.
I remember a storm a few years back that had close to a meter in snowfall! That was something.
And oh man, with sir Bonesington's wackiness, I am so very tempted to send in the muscle wizard to bro it up with him. I must resist though, my attention span is already suffering with two characters.
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I never effected your timeline so it should still stand.
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Yeah, I didn't mean in terms of your stuff.
She asked Rider to protect her from Tsukasa, but Tsukasa never showed up, so I was wondering if she was still going through with that or if she'd go back on it now that she's not utterly petrified, and since Rider never actually had to do anything....
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It's still on so long as Rider holds up her end of the deal
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It's still on so long as Rider holds up her end of the deal
Well, hasn't Tsukasa disappeared? It's kind-of hard for Rider to go ask her to leave Angra alone if she's not there....
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Tsukasa is in the city, Angra knows she'll be there eventually
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Well, what I'm asking is whether Rider has to uphold her part of the bargain before Angra upholds hers, or whether Angra will trust Rider to do so (she will, but Angra might not know that for sure).
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She knows rider won't go back on the deal so Angra is fine with give first rather than waiting.
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Ah, OK, good.
So, does the "work each other over" part of her comment imply that she intends to return the favour afterwards (not that Rider would mind that one bit...)?
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ALRIGHT I AM GOING TO DO THIS
I AM SITTING MY ASS THE FUCK DOWN
AND I AM GOING TO GET IN THE HEAD OF A WOMAN MAKING FLIRTATIOUS DIALOGUE TO A MAN, WITH THE INTENTION OF BANGING, AND IT WILL BE GOOD AND NOT WEIRD
HERE I GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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ALRIGHT I AM GOING TO DO THIS
I AM SITTING MY ASS THE FUCK DOWN
AND I AM GOING TO GET IN THE HEAD OF A WOMAN MAKING FLIRTATIOUS DIALOGUE TO A MAN, WITH THE INTENTION OF BANGING, AND IT WILL BE GOOD AND NOT WEIRD
HERE I GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well, I've been doing it with Rider for practically the entire RP :P
Anyway, I got Kiyoshi's post done, finally. I don't think it's very good, it was quite hard to do given the structure of Alice's and OPOI's posts and I'm a bit tired, but at least it's done.
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ALRIGHT I AM GOING TO DO THIS
I AM SITTING MY ASS THE FUCK DOWN
AND I AM GOING TO GET IN THE HEAD OF A WOMAN MAKING FLIRTATIOUS DIALOGUE TO A MAN, WITH THE INTENTION OF BANGING, AND IT WILL BE GOOD AND NOT WEIRD
HERE I GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You can do it, bro!
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ALRIGHT I AM GOING TO DO THIS
I AM SITTING MY ASS THE FUCK DOWN
AND I AM GOING TO GET IN THE HEAD OF A WOMAN MAKING FLIRTATIOUS DIALOGUE TO A MAN, WITH THE INTENTION OF BANGING, AND IT WILL BE GOOD AND NOT WEIRD
HERE I GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING FOR LEMONS. YOU CAN DO IT BRO. YOU CAN DO IT BRO!
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i believe in you bro
make it lewd as fuck
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YOU REALIZE THE POST WILL BE INCREDIBLY UNDERWHELMING CONSIDERING THE DRAMA I'M MAKING OF IT RIGHT?
I mean, it's still in the buildup phase. Ran ain't melting onto Law's cock just yet. YET
Anyway, remember, mention the size of the bed and how uncomfortable it'll be for two. I have the perfect response all planned up, like an action movie one-liner...
btw I am so very bad at this.
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Spoiler. So am I Nachos.
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Don't worry guys. Ain't nothing wrong about two neckbeards roleplaying sexy times on the internet as long as no one you know finds out.
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...Good point.
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Don't worry guys. Ain't nothing wrong about two neckbeards roleplaying sexy times on the internet as long as no one you know finds out.
Bonus points if you guys actually have neckbeards.
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Don't worry guys. Ain't nothing wrong about two neckbeards roleplaying sexy times on the internet as long as no one you know finds out.
Bonus points if you guys actually have neckbeards.
>.>
<.<
mebbe
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Dumping sheet for character that I made for fun and I might never actually play lol.
So don't mind that he doesn't have a story, Sir Bonesington's gonna be my only character for a while.
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Oh shit. A fight between Luka and Fate sounds like it would be awesome. They both have like a dozen different attacks and abilities they can spam at each other.
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Oh shit. A fight between Luka and Fate sounds like it would be awesome. They both have like a dozen different attacks and abilities they can spam at each other.
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I can see the appeal of it!
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Give in to temptation! Let the appeal of anime fight scenes overcome your gentlemanly demeanour!
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Why would they fight though?
.... well, Fate does have a bit of an issue with wide-eyed idealists. Had. Kinda still has. Has gotten better since becoming friends with Negi.
Also. When Bonesington gets serious and the top hat and monocle come off.
(http://i.imgur.com/yE8OYLH.jpg)
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...he's from Egypt?
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Nah, that's just the visual motif in the design of liches in Warcraft.
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...he's from Egypt?
The Undead Scourge in Warcraft ripped off much of its fashion and architecture from a pseudo-Egyptian race of spider people that it committed genocide on and then reanimated wholesale.
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Warcraft also ripped off a bunch from Warhammer Fantasy, as the Tomb Kings are basically that except without the spider people.
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Warcraft also ripped off a bunch from Warhammer Fantasy, as the Tomb Kings are basically that except without the spider people.
Well yeah, it's Blizzard; ripping off Games Workshop is what they do.
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Warcraft also ripped off a bunch from Warhammer Fantasy, as the Tomb Kings are basically that except without the spider people.
Well yeah, it's Blizzard; ripping off Games Workshop is what they do.
It's like a meta ripping off as then GW ripped off the Zerg after they ripped off the Tyranids. And GW rips off everyone. Especially it's customers.
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The Undead Scourge in Warcraft ripped off much of its fashion and architecture from a pseudo-Egyptian race of spider people that it committed genocide on and then reanimated wholesale.
Damn it, and now you made me want to make a cowardly Crypt Lord as a character to contrast Bones.
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Let's face it, Valda only gets away with being this manipulative because she's hot.
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Just to be sure: Mil, who are you attacking (Elf or me), and who did you send out to attack?
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She's getting away with everything!
Anyway, Aiden, you wanna take this one or should I?
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She's getting away with everything!
Anyway, Aiden, you wanna take this one or should I?
As well she should!
Go ahead.
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Do you guys think I should cut down on the Elemental Spirits shenanigans? I figure it could get annoying fast, but since Luka's a bit of a simple character I thought I should at least put something in the posts to keep them interesting.
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Do you guys think I should cut down on the Elemental Spirits shenanigans? I figure it could get annoying fast, but since Luka's a bit of a simple character I thought I should at least put something in the posts to keep them interesting.
I personally enjoy them!
Especially because Salamanders are a thing that Valda has some... prehistoric experience in. And by that I mean she made them her elementally aligned bitches.
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Especially because Salamanders are a thing that Valda has some... prehistoric experience in. And by that I mean she made them her elementally aligned bitches.
Hehe. Yeah, that's actually the reason I thought of bringing in Luka in the first place. Eventually you could probably just have Valda forcefully rip Salamander out of Luka and have a spirit of fire to play around with. Of course, now that we're allies and all, that's probably not happening.
But hey! Combination attacks!
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Angra was just being less than subtle.
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Especially because Salamanders are a thing that Valda has some... prehistoric experience in. And by that I mean she made them her elementally aligned bitches.
Hehe. Yeah, that's actually the reason I thought of bringing in Luka in the first place. Eventually you could probably just have Valda forcefully rip Salamander out of Luka and have a spirit of fire to play around with. Of course, now that we're allies and all, that's probably not happening.
But hey! Combination attacks!
Valda keeps her promises, so yeah not gonna happen as long as Luka keeps to his end of the deal. Besides he's proving himself fun and attractive, and she's going to love bossing him around once she's got her hooks into him deep.
Oh, their combination attacks are going to be loads of fun. Imagine if she, say... used fire and then the wind spirit fed the fire with lots of air and then while the target was recovering from the thermobaric blast Luka could smack them with his weapon.
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The possibilities are endless!
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To Kaiza: I sent Grea to attack you while I hide in the back to support, just waiting on his support for the moment.
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So... "Sakura" was taught to punish her parents? What the fuck Lantz?!
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To Kaiza: I sent Grea to attack you while I hide in the back to support, just waiting on his support for the moment.
And Gabriel followed him. He can't teleport, but Shadow Walking is almost just as good.
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So... "Sakura" was taught to punish her parents? What the fuck Lantz?!
I... really have to share this sentiment, lantz. I'm kinda really unhappy with that post in general, to be quite honest, since it's probably better if I just air my grievances now. Not only for that revelation about "Sakura," and how OOC it makes Archer and Rin in the process, but also for Connor so rudely going down there just so Toshi can call them. And not only that, but the way it's structured forces me to reply to it, so I can't just ignore it.
Posts like this puts a lot of stress on me, lantz. And posts like these have been making this RP more and more stressful for me to play. I was hoping after what happened the day before you finally understood that, but it's quite clear that you didn't really learn that lesson at all.
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Sorry for the double post, but I feel like I should explain for everyone else why I'm having this sudden burst of emotion.
Basically, things got a bit... rough, in private yesterday, over lantz's attempt to apologize to my characters, and me as well. But from what I understood, he got the message and then everything was fine.
Then I see this. Again, this is setting up lantz's attempt to apologize. An apology shouldn't frustrate/anger the one being apologized to further. So in addition to annoying me, it also feels like a slap to the face on top of that. Hence why I'm not too pleased about it. Plus I wanted to explain this in a civil manner so that lantz can understand where he went wrong with me this time.
Hopefully that makes sense, and sorry for the trouble.
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I'm not wrong and Alice you. YOU are responsible for your characters actions. Your characters threatened others, yes Archer made it a veiled threat but it was still a threat. Archer even admitted that nearly starting the fight again was wrong.
Satoshi did not use the best method to confront Archer but that is where he is wrong, not in confronting Archer but in the method of execution. This means that Satoshi is not at fault 100% Archer made the threat to begin with.
Satoshi will apologize for his mistake in the way he did things but you won't get them to proclaim archer or Rin innocent.
as for Rin there was my misreading of a post but Rin still tried to claim that Satoshi was a terrible person without proof of any kind in hand. Further she accused him of being worse than most heroes. Most heroes have three digit body counts. This means logically Sakura will call bullshit and get mad.
she went over the top yes but she even admitted as much and wanted to correct it.
Sakura has been raised to not let her parents get away with stuff. Anything from stuff like Archer overworking, Rin reading in the dark to taking dumb risks in a fight. It makes sense because Archer and Rin want to keep the other safe even when they aren't around. So Sakura's character isn't wrong, nor are the way I write her parents.
bottom line, the characters feel bad and are going to apologize but that does not give you the right to demonize me or my characters Alice. I don't bash your characters or attack you so I want the same consideration in return.
my characters are not immune to what they say and do and neither are yours. Take responsibility please.
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Further
excuse me ma'am, Sakura needs to see you and Rin upstairs, it's important
is not rude, it's polite as you can get.
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I'm not wrong and Alice you. YOU are responsible for your characters actions. Your characters threatened others, yes Archer made it a veiled threat but it was still a threat. Archer even admitted that nearly starting the fight again was wrong.
Satoshi did not use the best method to confront Archer but that is where he is wrong, not in confronting Archer but in the method of execution. This means that Satoshi is not at fault 100% Archer made the threat to begin with.
Satoshi will apologize for his mistake in the way he did things but you won't get them to proclaim archer or Rin innocent.
as for Rin there was my misreading of a post but Rin still tried to claim that Satoshi was a terrible person without proof of any kind in hand. Further she accused him of being worse than most heroes. Most heroes have three digit body counts. This means logically Sakura will call bullshit and get mad.
she went over the top yes but she even admitted as much and wanted to correct it.
Sakura has been raised to not let her parents get away with stuff. Anything from stuff like Archer overworking, Rin reading in the dark to taking dumb risks in a fight. It makes sense because Archer and Rin want to keep the other safe even when they aren't around. So Sakura's character isn't wrong, nor are the way I write her parents.
bottom line, the characters feel bad and are going to apologize but that does not give you the right to demonize me or my characters Alice. I don't bash your characters or attack you so I want the same consideration in return.
my characters are not immune to what they say and do and neither are yours. Take responsibility please.
...Except, Lantz, Satoshi is a horrible person. His own actions have killed far more than 100 people, if he interferes with Counter Guardians. He killed millions. He's directly responsible for the deaths of those he caused by not letting the Counter Guardians do their job. So yes, Satoshi is far worse, as he's actually stopping the things that save people. That's something you need to realize.
For that matter NO KID IS RAISED LIKE THAT. Such an upbringing is not only impossible, but something that Rin would never, ever do. That much I can tell you. "Sakura" is simply acting like a bitch there, and there's no excuse.
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I'm not wrong and Alice you. YOU are responsible for your characters actions. Your characters threatened others, yes Archer made it a veiled threat but it was still a threat. Archer even admitted that nearly starting the fight again was wrong.
Satoshi did not use the best method to confront Archer but that is where he is wrong, not in confronting Archer but in the method of execution. This means that Satoshi is not at fault 100% Archer made the threat to begin with.
Given what MoS Shirou did and who he is, I think Archer showed a remarkable level of restraint. If (my) Sakura had been the target, he wouldn't have gotten a warning, and even Sakura specifically ordering Rider not to kill him would not have saved him. He'd have just died of a accidental eight-hour torture session.... And, if she didn't do it, Shirou would have.
as for Rin there was my misreading of a post but Rin still tried to claim that Satoshi was a terrible person without proof of any kind in hand. Further she accused him of being worse than most heroes. Most heroes have three digit body counts. This means logically Sakura will call bullshit and get mad.
she went over the top yes but she even admitted as much and wanted to correct it.
I think you're still misunderstanding what she meant a little, and I also think that Rin didn't really consider what most heroes were really like, she was thinking of the ones she knew, like Archer and Rider. Plus, Toshi did threaten to kill Archer solely for trying to protect his master, it's not surprising that Rin was defensive of him.
Plus, the reasoning Sakura gave there was extremely offensive to servants. They are not worth less just because they were summoned and not born. It's not surprising Rin got over-defensive given her attachment to Archer and friendship with Rider.
Sakura has been raised to not let her parents get away with stuff. Anything from stuff like Archer overworking, Rin reading in the dark to taking dumb risks in a fight. It makes sense because Archer and Rin want to keep the other safe even when they aren't around. So Sakura's character isn't wrong, nor are the way I write her parents.
That makes a bit of sense, but for a child to "punish" their parents is still rather odd.
bottom line, the characters feel bad and are going to apologize but that does not give you the right to demonize me or my characters Alice. I don't bash your characters or attack you so I want the same consideration in return.
Not demonise, no, but I do think that, in Toshi's case in particular, Archer would not agree he did anything wrong there, and nor would a decent chunk of the other characters.
my characters are not immune to what they say and do and neither are yours. Take responsibility please.
No, sure, but Archer in particular would not consider himself to have done anything wrong, and nor would most of the other characters. Rin is a bit different, perhaps, she got mad and went a bit over the top, but then Kiyoshi called her out on that already.
Further
excuse me ma'am, Sakura needs to see you and Rin upstairs, it's important
is not rude, it's polite as you can get.
I think the issue is more the timing. Forest is exhausted, and Rin has just finished up with Archer.
...Except, Lantz, Satoshi is a horrible person. His own actions have killed far more than 100 people, if he interferes with Counter Guardians. He killed millions. He's directly responsible for the deaths of those he caused by not letting the Counter Guardians do their job. So yes, Satoshi is far worse, as he's actually stopping the things that save people. That's something you need to realize.
Bullshit. Saving the lives of innocent people is never wrong, and doing so certainly does not make you a bad person, even if others die as a result.
You might follow that Utilitarian bullcrap, but not everyone does.
For that matter NO KID IS RAISED LIKE THAT. Such an upbringing is not only impossible, but something that Rin would never, ever do. That much I can tell you. "Sakura" is simply acting like a bitch there, and there's no excuse.
Sorry, I don't think you're qualified to say how every single parent on the planet would act....
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Bullshit. Saving the lives of innocent people is never wrong, and doing so certainly does not make you a bad person, even if others die as a result.
You might follow that Utilitarian bullcrap, but not everyone does.
Sorry, I don't think you're qualified to say how every single parent on the planet would act....
No, but the point is that he's still basically killing thousands because he's not willing to let the CG's do their fucking job, which is saving people. By delaying counter guardians, he's risking the entirety of humanity. Because CG's are deployed to protect humanity as a whole, Satoshi is a threat to humanity as a whole. He's no hero. If anything, he's worse than the CG's, because they limit the casualties.
No, I'm not, but being raised like that by RIN of all people is quite frankly, bullshit.
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Bullshit. Saving the lives of innocent people is never wrong, and doing so certainly does not make you a bad person, even if others die as a result.
You might follow that Utilitarian bullcrap, but not everyone does.
Sorry, I don't think you're qualified to say how every single parent on the planet would act....
No, but the point is that he's still basically killing thousands because he's not willing to let the CG's do their fucking job, which is saving people. By delaying counter guardians, he's risking the entirety of humanity. Because CG's are deployed to protect humanity as a whole, Satoshi is a threat to humanity as a whole. He's no hero. If anything, he's worse than the CG's, because they limit the casualties.
Again, rubbish. He is not responsible for whatever is killing those people, he is trying to prevent it. And, the CGs are not there to save people they're there to kill people. It is entirely reasonable to not want to allow innocent people to die.
Perhaps it's not smart, but it certainly doesn't make you a bad person. Trying to protect innocent people is never wrong, even if more people die as a result.
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Actually Hakuno HAD BEEN in danger, she was not in danger and Archer admitted threatening Shirou almost restarted the fight. Had Hakuno been in danger in that immediate moment Satoshi would not have played devil's advocate as he had.
Satoshi made a bad bluff and as soon as Connor finds Archer Archer will know as much.
and Connor is doing what he has been asked, he doesn't know that the characters are preoccupied. If they are he'll just return and say as much. No harm.
with Rin my point is again it is mistakes on both sides that cause the issue. This is why neither side archer and Rin or Satoshi and Sakura are outright right or wrong.
Satoshi is not wrong for confronting archer he is wrong for the way he did so, big difference. And it was again a bluff after he played devil's advocate.
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Sorry, I don't think you're qualified to say how every single parent on the planet would act....
Mike, I don't think he was saying he is. He's simply commenting on what he thinks is possible and on what he thinks is out of character, for characters that we've seen in a VN as opposed to original ones.
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Perhaps it's not smart, but it certainly doesn't make you a bad person. Trying to protect innocent people is never wrong, even if more people die as a result.
OK, I don't think you get WHY the CG's are deployed. They're deployed because if they aren't, the world is screwed. When they kill, it is to save lives. If they don't kill these people, the world as we know it fucking ends. These people aren't innocent. Those around them maybe, but the people that they're deployed to destroy most certainly in the sense of humanity, are not.
And dammit, do I HAVE to bring out this argument again?
Imagine you have a subway. There's five people down the line on the track, and one next to you. The lever is on the tracks, and the train is coming. You only have one second to react, and can't trip the lever yourself. However, if you push the man next to you onto the tracks, you'll save those five people by forcing the train to switch tracks or stop.
So, you can either watch five people die, or kill one yourself.
Whichever you choose, you are responsible for a death. Now, which one is the most morally correct. State your answer.
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Actually Hakuno HAD BEEN in danger, she was not in danger and Archer admitted threatening Shirou almost restarted the fight. Had Hakuno been in danger in that immediate moment Satoshi would not have played devil's advocate as he had.
Doesn't matter, he still made the attempt and Archer didn't know he wouldn't do it in the future. So he decided to make damn sure that he didn't. He did admit he took it a bit far, but Satoshi's reaction to it was way over the top.
Satoshi made a bad bluff and as soon as Connor finds Archer Archer will know as much.
I dunno if that makes it sound better, though....
and Connor is doing what he has been asked, he doesn't know that the characters are preoccupied. If they are he'll just return and say as much. No harm.
Yeah, I guess, although Forest is likely to take it badly....
with Rin my point is again it is mistakes on both sides that cause the issue. This is why neither side archer and Rin or Satoshi and Sakura are outright right or wrong.
No, true, but Rin did already admit her side to Kiyoshi. Also, Sakura was, I think, probably more responsible than Rin, mainly because she took what Rin said about heroic spirits far more literally than it was intended or than just about anyone else did.
Satoshi is not wrong for confronting archer he is wrong for the way he did so, big difference. And it was again a bluff after he played devil's advocate.
I think that defending MoS Shirou after what he did came off rather badly to just about everyone, honestly.
OK, I don't think you get WHY the CG's are deployed. They're deployed because if they aren't, the world is screwed. When they kill, it is to save lives. If they don't kill these people, the world as we know it fucking ends. These people aren't innocent. Those around them maybe, but the people that they're deployed to destroy most certainly in the sense of humanity, are not.
The people directly responsible for the calamity may not be innocent, but CGs don't kill only them, they kill everyone in the vicinity "just in case".
And dammit, do I HAVE to bring out this argument again?
Imagine you have a subway. There's five people down the line on the track, and one next to you. The lever is on the tracks, and the train is coming. You only have one second to react, and can't trip the lever yourself. However, if you push the man next to you onto the tracks, you'll save those five people by forcing the train to switch tracks or stop.
So, you can either watch five people die, or kill one yourself.
Whichever you choose, you are responsible for a death. Now, which one is the most morally correct. State your answer.
Honestly, neither answer is unambiguously correct, and doing either would not be morally wrong in general. However, I would not consider you to be responsible for the deaths of the five people if you did not act, since you did nothing to kill them and could not have saved them without killing someone else.
As far as I am concerned, lives do not weigh on a scale. People are not directly comparible, my life is not equatable to yours. Therefore, saying "saving five people by killing one is always morally right" is just not valid. If those five people are Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Gaddafi, I'd say that you're definitely better-off letting them die....
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To specify the experiment, you have no idea who those five people are. You have no idea who this man in front of you is. Assume you cannot make any moral judgement on any of the possible dead.
So Mike, your answer indicates that you're what I like to call a justifier. You try and justify your action as correct and disassociate any negative effects your action has.
And the point is that whatever your answer, in the end someone will die because of your choice. You can save many, or one. How you save them though, is through action or inaction, reflects on you. The reason why you do it is even more important.
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Yes but mike that still means Satoshi is only mostly wrong, which is what I've been saying from the very beginning. He is wrong but it's not the same thing as threatening to kill Archer without a prompt, a trigger is a trigger and that should be respected and understood. Archer threatened mos and Satoshi responded, badly but it was a response not an action but a reaction.
as for defense of Shirou devils advocate is what it is. Defending something or someone when you don't want to. It looks like a mob versus one guy, Satoshi defended him because it was the fair thing to do, had it just been Shirou and Archer Satoshi wouldn't have interjected other than to stop them killing each other.
more responsible doesn't matter mike, because in the end both sides have responsibility for the mess.
that's all I'm saying, it's not solely my characters faults.
they get their apologies in the shortest order I can. But I'm more concerned about Ryoko's attitude because frankly Connor demanded nothing, he asked a polite question and magically he's somehow a terrible person.
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To specify the experiment, you have no idea who those five people are. You have no idea who this man in front of you is. Assume you cannot make any moral judgement on any of the possible dead.
Doesn't change my answer. Neither choice is morally wrong.
As for what I would do, I am honestly not sure. I genuinely do not see either choice as right, because murdering innocent people is wrong, full stop, but in general saving more people does make sense as a practical thing.
If it was someone I knew being pushed, though, I would not do it, without a doubt.
So Mike, your answer indicates that you're what I like to call a justifier. You try and justify your action as correct and disassociate any negative effects your action has.
No, it indicates that I don't follow your Utilitarian bullshit, and also don't think that morality is absolute in all cases, or that it is impossible to have a decision where there is no right anwser....
And the point is that whatever your answer, in the end someone will die because of your choice. You can save many, or one. How you save them though, is through action or inaction, reflects on you. The reason why you do it is even more important.
No, I am responsible for my own actions, not those of others. If I can save someone without harming anyone else then I should do so, but if I cannot then I bear no responsibility for them not being saved.
Yes but mike that still means Satoshi is only mostly wrong, which is what I've been saying from the very beginning. He is wrong but it's not the same thing as threatening to kill Archer without a prompt, a trigger is a trigger and that should be respected and understood. Archer threatened mos and Satoshi responded, badly but it was a response not an action but a reaction.
It was a response, yes, but it was an entirely unjustified one given what MoS Shirou had done. If I accidentally bump into you in the street and you turn around and shoot me in the leg, you're still in the wrong 100% even though there was a trigger.
as for defense of Shirou devils advocate is what it is. Defending something or someone when you don't want to. It looks like a mob versus one guy, Satoshi defended him because it was the fair thing to do, had it just been Shirou and Archer Satoshi wouldn't have interjected other than to stop them killing each other.
That still makes Toshi come off rather badly, though. Rider in particular did not appreciate it one bit.
more responsible doesn't matter mike, because in the end both sides have responsibility for the mess.
that's all I'm saying, it's not solely my characters faults.
Perhaps, but I think they were mostly responsible, especially in Toshi's case.
But I'm more concerned about Ryoko's attitude because frankly Connor demanded nothing, he asked a polite question and magically he's somehow a terrible person.
Well, she's Rin's daughter, she's tired and she didn't know Connor knew Kiyoshi.
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Also I want to correct something I just realized Alice was accusing my characters of.
Satoshi did not threaten to kill Archer for protecting Hakuno. He threatened to kill him for killing mos Shirou. There is a huge difference in the intent and meaning there.
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Again mike % of blame when not 100% doesn't mean anything. Both parties are responsible. No matter how much. And there's saving lives and making friends and Satoshi always puts the former ahead of the latter. It was more important to save Shirou's life than to make friends. A life once gone rarely gets a second chance.
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Also I want to correct something I just realized Alice was accusing my characters of.
Satoshi did not threaten to kill Archer for protecting Hakuno. He threatened to kill him for killing mos Shirou. There is a huge difference in the intent and meaning there.
Yeah, I think we all got that....
Again mike % of blame when not 100% doesn't mean anything. Both parties are responsible. No matter how much. And there's saving lives and making friends and Satoshi always puts the former ahead of the latter. It was more important to save Shirou's life than to make friends. A life once gone rarely gets a second chance.
Well, sure, but MoS Shirou himself never thought of that when he murdered Sakura or attempted to kill Hakuno, so why the hell should Rider or Archer?
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Well, sure, but MoS Shirou himself never thought of that when he murdered Sakura or attempted to kill Hakuno, so why the hell should Rider or Archer?
A good point, but I want to stress that MoS Shirou honestly did nothing wrong with his choice. Something you need to realize Mike is that Sakura really wasn't someone who deserved to live from a magus or even practical perspective. She was risky to keep around. Far far too risky for many.
Considering how things turned out for Shirou in the end either way, I don't blame him for that.
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An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind mike. The cycle has to stop. When everyone becomes a killer then mos stops being a terrible person for ending Sakura's life. Because hey everyone is a killer so it's normal. And about punishment bit that that Sakura mentioned, what isn't clear in the post is that punishment is stuff like pranks and shit, little things to annoy her parents into admitting they've been unreasonable or unfair or sometimes stupid.
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Well, sure, but MoS Shirou himself never thought of that when he murdered Sakura or attempted to kill Hakuno, so why the hell should Rider or Archer?
A good point, but I want to stress that MoS Shirou honestly did nothing wrong with his choice.
Yes he fucking well did. He betrayed and murdered an innocent girl in cold blood on the mere suspicion that she might do something bad later.
Something you need to realize Mike is that Sakura really wasn't someone who deserved to live from a magus or even practical perspective. She was risky to keep around. Far far too risky for many.
Bull fucking shit. Sakura absolutely deserved to live, she is a fucking human being. Stop acting like human lives are nothing more than fucking numbers to weigh up.
And, he has absolutely no fucking right whatsoever to judge another person as not being worthy of life in that way. She had done nothing wrong and was not an immediate danger to anyone, therefore killing her was wrong, full stop.
Considering how things turned out for Shirou in the end either way, I don't blame him for that.
It ended pretty well for him if he saved Sakura....
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind mike. The cycle has to stop.
Well, the fucker should have thought of that before he murdered Sakura in cold blood, shouldn't he?
Sure, I don't generally condone revenge, but the guy just deserves to suffer for what he did to Sakura. Why should the cycle stop on "Sakura gets fucked-over and everyone else is just fucking fine"?
Plus, who is going to avenge MoS Shirou? He killed all his damn family and friends himself....
When everyone becomes a killer then mos stops being a terrible person for ending Sakura's life. Because hey everyone is a killer so it's normal.
Yeah, I think Rider can live with that one.
Plus, he's still a damn danger. How can she or Archer trust that he won't murder someone else?
And about punishment bit that that Sakura mentioned, what isn't clear in the post is that punishment is stuff like pranks and shit, little things to annoy her parents into admitting they've been unreasonable or unfair or sometimes stupid.
Ah, I see.
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He's already suffering, he needs to be forced into actively feeling that pain and be made to confront what he did. If he breaks he can return to the beginning and with the weight on his shoulders become the hero he wanted to be. Yes Sakura will be dead but mos will never again take a life that way again. He'll always take the high road from then on.
it's far better than killing him.
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Right, so he becomes a hero and everyone is just great except for the poor girl who he murdered in cold blood? Yeah, brilliant ending....
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MoS Shirou is the greatest hero
Does kickflips of justice off of herc's rock slab and kills servants left and right
Obtains and immediately disregards bitches
Waifus are for losers
Shinji & Issei harem end go
Stops only when fuyuki is nothing but a fire, with only him and a harem of men as survivors
BEST END
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Oh, it didn't end well for Shirou. At all.
HF Normal Mike? Just as canon of HF True. For that matter at the time, Sakura was the Shadow. They are not separate entities. They are one in the same. Sakura at the time certainly wasn't as human as you make her out to be. Drop your Waifu obsession Mike and realize that she was killing people. A lot of people.
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Arch, it's pointless, and you know it. Asking Mike to change his mind about Sakura is like asking Hitler to change his mind about the Jews.
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Someone brought up Hitler
argument immediately shit, everyone ignore and continue with your lives. Being affiliated with this argument will make you look bad to your neighbors.
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Hurry and post names, station time go
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The drive is going to take a while, you realize.
I also don't want to do something to interrupt law and ran too early, because they're still in the stage of caring about noises down the hallway. Once they aren't, in the hallway and nearest cell you go, ignore those guys down the hall they're just wrestling.
Until they're there, we gon' drive. We have speed laws to respect.
Shouldn't take too long.
My fault for the situation really, since I stalled on Ran big time. Sorry!
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The drive is going to take a while, you realize.
I also don't want to do something to interrupt law and ran too early, because they're still in the stage of caring about noises down the hallway. Once they aren't, in the hallway and nearest cell you go, ignore those guys down the hall they're just wrestling.
Until they're there, we gon' drive. We have speed laws to respect.
Shouldn't take too long.
My fault for the situation really, since I stalled on Ran big time. Sorry!
>Implying it won't be funnier for them to desperately attempt to stifle the sounds of passion and not move so Inferno ignores them.
Also yeah, you dropped the Ran ball big time.
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Because it's weeeeeeird
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Yeah, well same over here. No excuse. And you proposed it.
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Well ok names but Satoshi is gonna take a call in the back in the meantime then
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Yeah, well same over here. No excuse. And you proposed it.
I know, and we'll make it happen. Ran and law will bang, and really Inferno Cop got there by flying bike. Of course there would be travel time, so I have a perfectly reasonable excuse to give them more time to get to it.
Though to be fair when I proposed it, no one was really thinking straight.
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Oh, it didn't end well for Shirou. At all.
HF Normal Mike? Just as canon of HF True.
That still ended better for Shirou than MoS, frankly...
For that matter at the time, Sakura was the Shadow. They are not separate entities. They are one in the same. Sakura at the time certainly wasn't as human as you make her out to be. Drop your Waifu obsession Mike and realize that she was killing people. A lot of people.
Sakura is not in control of the shadow. She has no conscious awareness of it and is not consciously controlling it. Also, the impression I get is that the shadow is more like Sakura's familiar, since she is shown to be in the Emiya house when the shadow is in the Einsbern forest.
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MoS Shirou is still alive. That's pretty much a better ending for him no matter how you look at it.
As for that - even if it's not a conscious control, she's still the source, and still eating the fuck out of people. And then there's that scene where Sakura is impaled by Gilgamesh and becomes the Shadow IIRC. So yeah, she's in no means innocent if she's killing people, even if it is her familiar. She's still a threat.
But let's drop this because getting you started on this is something I'd rather not do.
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Also Lantz, seriously, just let Rider fuck Angra.
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Anyone who blames Sakura for HF rather than Zouken is missing the point.
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Also Lantz, seriously, just let Rider fuck Angra.
I think they're going to fuck, but the torture stuff might be postponed slightly....
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What exactly is the geography of this city anyway? I mean, like, what kind of landscape and climate does it have?
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Probably along the lines of one of the major cities I would think. Maybe New York City? I keep imagining it to be a bit chilly out, so probably along the lines of New York City, or another big city with a temperate-ish climate, like Chicago or something. That's up to Elf ultimately, though, I'm mostly just guessing.
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I would say that Chicago is a good guess since Elf referenced Gotham is the city's description and Gotham is based on Chicago for the most part
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And it begins. It begins!
Enjoy the awkwardly written and fumbling sex Elf!
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Good thing we have Elf's teachings to help us!
Teaching #1: the clitoris is real, and not a dinosaur!
...that's actually all I remember.
Yeah, this is going to be so bad, in the best way.
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You could just fade to black after Ran and Lawrence find a good position under the covers
but where is the fun in that
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Yeah, the porn definitely should get written....
Although if you're really stuck it is possible to skip it and write it later, that's what's happening with Rider's scene with Satoshi.
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Yeah elf said linking was cool guys so if you get stuck you can link to it and post it when you can in the fan fiction section
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Part of me wants to see this train wreck happen!
Yeah, but the city is a cross between Chicago and New York for the most part.
Also, once Alice posts, Sakura can deal with a really fussy Forest.
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"Sakura" will end up at the mercy of a very pissed Forest who still hasn't showered yet.
I measure her lifespan in seconds.
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"Sakura" will end up at the mercy of a very pissed Forest who still hasn't showered yet.
I measure her lifespan in seconds.
Forest got to shower and change her clothes. She's just mentally exhausted though and feels like an outsider in her own home.
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That's fine, I expect her to be fussy
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That must suck.
Also, Bonesington simply must invite everyone to a party once he builds his new mansion, following proper regulation and protocol.
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Forest got to shower and change her clothes. She's just mentally exhausted though and feels like an outsider in her own home.
So yeah, I measure her lifespan in seconds.
No comment on her unlife.
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Actually that does raise a point. If a character dies can they be resurrected?
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Jack can always Embrace them. Not the most pleasant experience, but they'll 'live' again.
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Actually that does raise a point. If a character dies can they be resurrected?
Depends on the resurrection.
Like say Character A is a vampire. They drain Character B to death and freak the fuck out. So they turn character B.
Like full on Buffy resurrection?
Well, there should be consequences.
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Actually that does raise a point. If a character dies can they be resurrected?
Depends on the resurrection.
Like say Character A is a vampire. They drain Character B to death and freak the fuck out. So they turn character B.
Like full on Buffy resurrection?
Well, there should be consequences.
Wait, so does this mean I can have Jack 'Embrace' other characters if he feeds on them?
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Wait, so does this mean I can have Jack 'Embrace' other characters if he feeds on them?
Well, hopefully it will be done as a mutual agreement between the two players.
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The Embrace isn't voluntary in most cases though. It's as much an act of remorse as of reproduction - because you're sharing the fate of the Damned with people. And that's either a salvation or the worst punishment possible depending on the individual kindred. It's also something that if you're human, can't be resisted. The power of the Vitae overcomes all barriers. That's the nature of the cursed.
There's also no cure except the mythical Gehenna. It's why you get so many adherents to the Crone and Lancea, because the vampiric condition is a horrible horrible thing to endure without an end goal for many.
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That, or you can just say bugger all, join the Invictus, and start amassing power, wealth, and followers with the intention of living forever.
Which is highly unlikely, but hey! No one ever said all Kindred were a realistic sort.
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That, or you can just say bugger all, join the Invictus, and start amassing power, wealth, and followers with the intention of living forever.
Which is highly unlikely, but hey! No one ever said all Kindred were a realistic sort.
And then there's the Cartheans, who want to be perfect communists and shit. It's kinda weird.
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I think she meant an agreement between players, not characters.
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I think she meant an agreement between players, not characters.
Pretty much this.
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Hey, Bloble, in case you're waiting on me right now? Don't, go ahead and field this next post.
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Gah, what happened to ladies first?
...coming right up.
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To Kaiza: I sent Grea to attack you while I hide in the back to support, just waiting on his support for the moment.
OK, can you give me some more details about Grea? Abilities, appearance, whatnot. Also, would Grea count as an NPC? If so, do I control Grea for the fight, or...?
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He means Mord. One of his characters is under Downy's thrall.
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Gah, what happened to ladies first?
...coming right up.
Sorry mate, thought we were going in order here. XD
I'll be a bit more... flexible next time.
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...Mind having Henderson join the party you guys?
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...Mind having Henderson join the party you guys?
I don't mind. It's been too long since something exploded.
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Oh, it won't explode just yet. Not just yet.
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Might as well throw some fuel in the fires of paranoia.
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Henderson is so stoned he things Sir Bonington is a perfectly normal thing. Paranoia isn't going to happen yet.
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He means Mord. One of his characters is under Downy's thrall.
OK, I kinda assumed that. Kinda. Which one of his characters? Also, I guess this means I'll have to wait for him.
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Henderson is so stoned he things Sir Bonington is a perfectly normal thing. Paranoia isn't going to happen yet.
Which is why I mentioned Gnomes.
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He means Mord. One of his characters is under Downy's thrall.
OK, I kinda assumed that. Kinda. Which one of his characters? Also, I guess this means I'll have to wait for him.
Mu. Thats the character.
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Henderson reeks of the failure of Old Ones and their minions. He is truly Valda's natural enemy.
Her strategy henceforth shall be to hide behind Luka until she can hit the old man with her taser.
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Mu. Thats the character.
Thank you. Welp, better read up to see what I'm up against in the meantime.
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New character sheet up, because cowardly titans make for interesting characters.
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I'm looking at the character sheets between active periods here and I'm thinking we should maybe go over them and standardize them a bit. Like, some sheets reference stats that others don't, or leave certain things out. There are also an inordinate number of characters who are physically ordinary humans who somehow have stats that rival or exceed those of beings like vampires.
For example, compare Old Man Henderson and Angel. Or the fact that some sheets reference Intelligence or Endurance and others don't.
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Perhaps some type of standardized template for us all to use? With at least small descriptions of each stat explaining how they are able to have said stat?
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Perhaps some type of standardized template for us all to use? With at least small descriptions of each stat explaining how they are able to have said stat?
A good description of what each rank of a stat, roughly, amounts to in terms of capability would help yes.
Like, is Strength E average human strength? If so, how much greater than 'average human' is Strength D by comparison?
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Those are some really good points, actually.
I admit to also being guilty of some of my sheets having stats others don't, like Anub'Zahar's, for the which I thought "well, he doesn't have magic, but his endurance is relevant to his character so let's put that in instead". But you're right in that it's a little disorganized.
Having a scale would also kinda prevent wanking by virtue of common sense I think. Because as of right now, we have human characters (magi, granted, but STILL) strong, fast or agile enough to match Servants, and other similiar.... oddities.
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Well here's a really basic one, we could improve on this if you want:
Name:
Age:
Job:
Alignment:
Major Stats:
Strength:
Endurance:
Agility:
Magic:
Luck:
Trump Card:
Notable Skills:
Trump Card:
Backstory:
(Note: I added a job category as lot's of these characters seem to have a job of sorts, cop, demon hunter, even servant. And I also replaced Noble Phantasm with Trump Card as I think that's more fitting given the circumstances, any other suggestions?)
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Personally, I don't see much importance in having standardized stats, unless it's an original character with clearly defined powers. For the most part, the sheets are more like guidelines anyway.
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Oh no, it's not like this is vital or anything. It's just me poking and prodding at everything because I find consistency aesthetically pleasing.
Also because seriously that Henderson question is bugging me.
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From what I understand, the reason that the normal humans have stats along the lines of those more powerful than they themselves are is because each is judged against their own tier. Rin and Hakuno are gaged against other humans, Archer uses the usual Servant rankings, etc. That's what I understand of it anyway, and why I gave people the stats I gave them. Probably some clarification along those lines wouldn't hurt, though.
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There should probably be something more useful for judging comparison to each other , not just 'on their own tier', is what I'm saying yeah.
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I dunno. I think there should be some ambiguity in it, so we can have people from different series fighting without too much incompatibility. Like, there's human, superhuman, and curayzee, and stuff.
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You just want Fate and Luka to have a fight/match so we can spam all sorts of different techniques at each other.
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I'm looking at the character sheets between active periods here and I'm thinking we should maybe go over them and standardize them a bit. Like, some sheets reference stats that others don't, or leave certain things out.
Well, there is a standard template on the first page, but the RP is free-form enough that people don't have to use it. Some characters have stats that are important for them but meaningless for others.
There are also an inordinate number of characters who are physically ordinary humans who somehow have stats that rival or exceed those of beings like vampires.
Actually, that's intentional. The power levels vary so wildly between types of character that any attempt to standardise them would make them meaningless. So, they're defined relative to what the character is.
For example, compare Old Man Henderson and Angel. Or the fact that some sheets reference Intelligence or Endurance and others don't.
Well, I would say that removing information from sheets is not a good idea, and forcing people to make up stats they don't really care about is also not a good idea, so I don't think there is any easy way to standardise it.
There should probably be something more useful for judging comparison to each other , not just 'on their own tier', is what I'm saying yeah.
The problem is that if you do that, then every servant gets basically the same stats, because they're all far closer in power to each other than they are to an ordinary human.
I think that the system as it is works reasonably well if your characters are canonical to the Nasuverse or are directly comparible to ones that are, because we already know the relative powerlevels there and the information would be useless otherwise (or you would need a far larger scale to fit everything in). For characters from outside the Nasuverse who aren't ordinary humans, however, some comparison between their type of thing and similar things in the Nasuverse would be quite useful.
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You just want Fate and Luka to have a fight/match so we can spam all sorts of different techniques at each other.
I'm not going to deny this.
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I'm going to have to somewhat call into question the need for the letter ranks if they ultimately don't mean much.
I mean besides the fact that assigning letter ranks to stuff is fun.
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They make it clearer what the person's strengths and weaknesses are. For example, even if you don't know what E rank Strength and A rank Agility mean objectively, you can judge them relative to each other, and thus the character as a whole.
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I'm going to have to somewhat call into question the need for the letter ranks if they ultimately don't mean much.
I mean besides the fact that assigning letter ranks to stuff is fun.
Well, they are meaningful in that a servant with a rank A is stronger than one with a rank C, and a human with a rank A is stronger than one with a rank C. The only time they're not really that helpful is when you're matching characters from two different universes with each other.
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If we're familiar with the universe somewhat, even if not with the character, we can judge her relatively to her setting based on her stats.
I mean, like so: Fate's stats on his sheet are still more or less appropriate for the Servant Stats scale, but they're also reflective of his standing within the universe. Whereas if I'd stat'ed like, say, Jack Rakan, he'd definitely have at least an A+ in Strength and higher values in Agility and Speed.
Still, yeah, I get that it can be confusing when comparing characters from different settings, but what we're gonna do? We've all gotta compromise a little.
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...Ms. Moneybags, you're up!
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...Ms. Moneybags, you're up!
Let the negotiations begin.
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Wow Downy, you just chose the wrong person to attempt to drain.
Alice, do you think you could post? Or should I just have Forest go be a snarky bitch to Sakura.
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So you don't have to wait on me, just assume for now that Connor's extremely rude entry cut off Finn before he could be a total bro sweetheart about his rejection. Plus there's no way in hell I want to delay anyone being a snarky bitch to "Sakura." :3
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Work's working me like a workhorse and I've caught wind of a nasty bug, and work has decided to not let go of its vicegrip on me regardless.
Basically I ain't making an RP post today, and even maybe tomorrow.
For specifics: 9am-7pm, I just checked and I have a fever, and they're asking me to work harder tomorrow.
I wish snow shoveling was all I did.
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Ow. That sucks Names.
Hope ya get better soon.
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Work's working me like a workhorse and I've caught wind of a nasty bug, and work has decided to not let go of its vicegrip on me regardless.
Basically I ain't making an RP post today, and even maybe tomorrow.
For specifics: 9am-7pm, I just checked and I have a fever, and they're asking me to work harder tomorrow.
I wish snow shoveling was all I did.
:o That's no good (you being sick I mean, the posting thing can easily wait). Get plenty of rest, hope your bosses let you take a break in order to recover, and hope you get well soon. :)
...Two people having trouble posting for different reasons. Maybe today's really unlucky or something?
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Yipes; I hope things get better for you fast, Names! Good luck there.
And on my post: sorry, Valda, you don't get out of your weakness that easily. At most it will keep her from passively losing mana daily without putting it to any use as she normally would due to the binding she suffers under.
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Names, I'm not sure if this is good or bad advice considering your fever... but get fired up! You can do it!
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Alice's baffling opinion of rude aside please do post elf, that way I'm not stuck doing nothing due to the unfortunate circumstances at present.
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Work's working me like a workhorse and I've caught wind of a nasty bug, and work has decided to not let go of its vicegrip on me regardless.
Basically I ain't making an RP post today, and even maybe tomorrow.
For specifics: 9am-7pm, I just checked and I have a fever, and they're asking me to work harder tomorrow.
I wish snow shoveling was all I did.
Man, that does sort of really suck. You get better, okay?
And I posted. Gabriel, continues fucking with Magi no matter what the dimension.
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I'll let Bloble get a post in before I go again. I'll need to get off earlier than usual tonight anyway for some volunteer work tomorrow.
I admit this sequence with the potions throws me off in hilarious ways. And moves Valda's time table up.
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Don't you just love the way characters can play off one another like this? xD
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Posted. Not much, but to be honest, I think that's as much as I can manage for a good while. I haven't been feeling particularly well the past few days.
Completely in character, by the way, due to what happened earlier in the RP, so unless someone like say, lantz has to take back their posts on similar grounds, it gets to stand unchallenged...
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Moving on, names please get better soon, mike I'll try to get a post will Angra in a bit but I'm not sure where to go with my reply just yet.
While you have the right to play your characters the way you want Alice I don't see the point in the hostility towards me out of character.
please stop it.
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Don't you just love the way characters can play off one another like this? xD
Unexpected synergy is best synergy.
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Moving on, names please get better soon, mike I'll try to get a post will Angra in a bit but I'm not sure where to go with my reply just yet.
While you have the right to play your characters the way you want Alice I don't see the point in the hostility towards me out of character.
please stop it.
You're not getting hostility out of character Lantz. Quit with the victim complex shit.
EDIT: And for that matter your idea of dealing with Satoshi is bullshit considering no-one is going to surrender to an utter asshole like him in any way, and some characters simply won't surrender. For that matter, if he has a contract with the world, how and why does he interfere with the counter guardians. Alaya's the one who makes contracts with Humans, so he'd be interfering with his own unit somehow. What the fuck Lantz.
For that matter, this whole thing sounds like a giant ego stroking and wanking for both you and Satoshi. When Elf was talking about the praise train, that's what she was talking about.
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YOLF, it's kind of funny that you say Luka reminds you of an adventurer, since he's literally wearing a cape and carrying two swords on his belt. (One is an ordinary iron sword, and the other is a freakish monstrosity created from the fused flesh and souls of 666 angels, and looks like this (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120313222140/monstergirlquest/images/7/77/Angel_Halo.png).)
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No one said Bonesington was that quick on the uptake. Also, how long do you think it's been since he's seen an adventurer? His loot has all been gathering dust for god knows how long!
Comes with being a raid boss level character in Hillsbrad I guess.
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Meaning to ask, any reason in particular for the blue text in our gentlemen lich's posts? Is it just chosen at random or is the blue because of something more?
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He's a lich. He has that icy, deep, evil boss voice. So blue glow and bold. ^C^
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Thanks for the answer YOLF.
hey elf can we bump the character limit to eight?
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Talk about a load of characters, though while you bring it up perhaps it's time to start introducing a few of Downy's subordinates.
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Too bad for Henderson that Valda doesn't do drugs.
Because getting Valda high would have been hilarious.
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Aiden, just do it.
Join Henderson in the Necronomiblunt club.
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Say NO to drugs.
Ms. Buzzkill to the rescue.
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Talk about a load of characters, though while you bring it up perhaps it's time to start introducing a few of Downy's subordinates.
Yeah, 7 seems like a good limit. A very solid and probably the maximum we can do without overextending.
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Personally I see no reason it shouldn't be increased. If someone can handle playing all the characters then why not?
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Personally I see no reason it shouldn't be increased. If someone can handle playing all the characters then why not?
The problem is in lantz's case, I feel they'll be going into some Cheerleading all the time. Like, all of his other characters. I mean seriously, that's all his other characters do.
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Your feelings about Lantz are really not relevant to deciding what the character limit for everyone should be....
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Riiiiight, except for the fact that 8 characters is flat out far far too many for one person to have. We've got enough running around already, we don't need any more.
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I don't see why 8 characters is "way too many" but 7 is just fine....
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Ignoring Arch's incorrect information about my characters I see eight as perfectly fine
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Ignoring Arch's incorrect information about my characters I see eight as perfectly fine
Ahahaha when Elf says it, and your own actions show it it ain't lying.
I don't see why 8 characters is "way too many" but 7 is just fine....
7 is pushing it. 7 is a nice number. I like 7.
We already have a few people with a bunch of characters, some of which don't do anything ever *cough*Alter*cough*
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Yeah, Magos, you're obviously arguing this point only because it is Lantz asking, and not because of any real interest in keeping the limit at this level....
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Let's do the run down
Angra mocked Satoshi
Sakura wasn't praising him she was infuriated by his attitude
Tsukasa has yet to speak
Connor as well if I'm remembering correctly
Alter hasn't met Satoshi so no praise there
Satoshi can't cheerlead for himself
Taiga is an eight year old with a healthy relationship with her brother, of course she'll support him
one out of seven. So you are wrong arch
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Dude, I really think that 7 is the best number here. It allows a varied cast of characters without going overboard on the number. 8 is too close to double digits to me, and is just, well, an ugly number to me.
Consider it just my slight OCD showing through, I don't like things in 8's.
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Arch, stop making up bullshit excuses, we both know damn well that you're arguing the point solely to stop Lantz making another character.
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Arch, stop making up bullshit excuses, we both know damn well that you're arguing the point solely to stop Lantz making another character.
No, I honestly don't like things in 8's. 7's I like, because you know, lucky sevens. 8's just don't really have that.
Besides, 7 is the sacred number of Slannesh, the god of this RP.
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Even if that is true, it's a dumb way of setting a limit.
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If that's the case then don't make more than seven characters arch, the rest of us should still have the right to make more characters if we so choose
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Well, I assume Elf put a limit in for a reason, but she did also raise it when other people asked her to (or when she herself wanted more characters). I guess it's up to her in the end.
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If that's the case then don't make more than seven characters arch, the rest of us should still have the right to make more characters if we so choose
No, you should have the permission, because Elf is running this RP. And she's already extended the limit twice. So I think that 7 is where it should stop.
You don't seem to get the GM-Player social contract.
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Disregarding what Arch or Lantz or anyone else might think I do believe 8 is probably getting a little too many characters honestly I thought 7 was getting pretty large but if Elf was fine with it then I wouldn't complain. (I mean just look how long it's taken us to get Downy involved in stuff, adding more would just make that even longer.)
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It being elf's decision is oblivious mike.
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Hmm, OPOI, I'm still waiting for you to respond to Kiyoshi.
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I like seven. It's a nice number.
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And Bonesington is surprisingly chill with the revelation.
It's because she's not a madness god trying to pollute everyone's minds and make them kill each other. Currently, at least.
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Hmm, OPOI, I'm still waiting for you to respond to Kiyoshi.
24 hour rule has passed, you can assume he's not responded and go on with whatever.
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I'd rather get a response, though, and the only other person I'm talking to is waiting for him too. Plus, she's unlikely to post tonight anyway.
The 24-hour-rule hasn't really been applied in the RP in general. If it had been we'd have spent most of it having half-conversations.
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Arch, stop making up bullshit excuses, we both know damn well that you're arguing the point solely to stop Lantz making another character.
I don't think he is, really. Pushing that aside though, as the person who requested the last two upgrades, I'm wondering if any beyond 7 is a bit much too. Even as the person who requested 7 to begin with, I'm having a bit of trouble juggling them all.
It's Elf's call though, regardless of what we say. As GM, what she says goes here.
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Luka wouldn't be a JRPG protagonist without ludicrous amounts of monologuing and flashbacks. Sorry for the text wall, bros.
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Luka wouldn't be a JRPG protagonist without ludicrous amounts of monologuing and flashbacks.
Not to mention the ridiculous Charisma rating. Its effects are still being felt!
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My greatest mystery so far in this RP: Why was the Euro accepted at this bakery as currency? And if it was not the Euro, then how the hell did the money Valda had on her transform into American dollars?
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My greatest mystery so far in this RP: Why was the Euro accepted at this bakery as currency? And if it was not the Euro, then how the hell did the money Valda had on her transform into American dollars?
Nexus City obviously accepts most widespread currencies.
But not gold bars. Nope.
THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST GOLD BARS! >8[ ]
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I'll think about upping the cap.
I'm not going to say Yay or Nay.
However Mil, you have to realize me bringing in Gabe finally put Downy into play.
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Oh no I do and I'm pretty grateful for that, just that I did have to wait quite a while (And I know I was the one who started that in the first place.) and I've been thinking that the more characters the longer it's taken though it could also be said that if it wasn't for the new character he wouldn't have done anything anyway.
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Though, now I seem to be a bit stuck. ^^
Should I wait for Mord, or...yeah, I got nothing. o_o
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Pot, meet kettle.
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If Mord doesn't respond by tomorrow then perhaps we should throw him to the sidelines? I could bring in a second of Downy's commanders so that you don't get stuck in the same situation I was, how does that sound? (I'm not saying to kill his character off or anything but perhaps I could incapacitate him for the fight so that we can at least move on.)
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Sure, if it gets to that, I can have Reina knock him out with Harverster (she won't kill civilians ) and try to go straight to Downey or Commander #2.
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Oh heh my plan was to have Commander #2's summon right on top of Mord's character knocking him out on impact but we could do your option as well.
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Oh heh my plan was to have Commander #2's summon right on top of Mord's character knocking him out on impact but we could do your option as well.
I would find this amusing. Downy is the worse boss ever.
And Lantz, could you post so I can just make a post with all of my characters responding to those they're responding to?
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Was sleep. Posted now
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Caw Caw motherfuckers.
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So what do you think Elf should we go ahead with the character incapacitation?
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I'm Back! I lost track of time while doing a lot of GTA V and reading more fanfictions, but here I return. Where do you guys need my characters?
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Erm... Jack sorta ditched Seras as you weren't online for like two weeks.
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Late. Tired. Sir Bonesington shall post tomorrow.
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I'm sorry everyone, I wore YOLF out with Vampire the Requiem tonight.
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You know, now that I think about it in more detail perhaps I should have just given Downy a few ranks in Mental Pollution ah well.
And glad to see you back Mord, you were less then a day from being ignored.
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i dont even know what im typing
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This is funny because Bones doesn't know the answers to most of those questions either
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I on the other hand know exactly what I am talking about, because I'm referencing a magic system so big and involved that the game's book has an entire chapter devoted solely to it.
And then a second chapter in a supplement to flesh it out even further. And then yet another set of chapters in other books...
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Henderson is totally lost and so are the waiting staff.
At least Henderson can get high to comprehend some of it.
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The waiting staff have lived in this city long enough to know not to ask questions and to pretend they heard nothing.
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Magebabble! Headcanons!
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And now Lancer has someone to hate even more than Dark Archer. But... yeaaaah, Tom there's capable of being nice, certainly, but god damn can he be a jerk at times. Kinda fun writing someone like that, though. :3
I mean, yeah, there's Archer, but Extra Archer's the nicer, less bitter version, and he tends to be more grumpy and more of a grizzled veteran type than an outright jerk.
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Hah, good point. And enjoy the body horror of transforming Jack there.
The only reason he doesn't feel pain is because his nerves aren't connected right during the transformation.
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The time to talk has ended Downy's grown impatient with all your flirting.
Also I'll leave it up to your character to determine if he can notice Downy's mind casting.
And finally I think I'll bring in the second general in about 5 more of my posts, which one I'll also randomize just to make things interesting. (The choices are the Ninja, the Assassin, the Necromancer, the Summoner, and the Warrior.)
P.S: Mord you should really respond to Kaiza soon I'd hate to em waiting for much longer then they already have.
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Hmm, so what's the name of this pizza parlor, and what flavors do they have besides the Carnivore and otherpizzaimtoolazytolookuprightnowbutlancerlikedittoo pizzas?
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I think the pizza place should be called the Brick House.
Because yeah.
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Haha. 8P
By the way Elf, I might not end up playing them right now, but could I consider Fate and Anub'Zahar approved for the RP?
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I think the pizza place should be called the Brick House.
Because yeah.
Gotcha. :3 (...I feel like I'm missing a reference joke. ^_^" Ah well, I like the name anyway :P)
Any other specialty pies besides the two aforementioned ones? :)
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By the way Elf, I might not end up playing them right now, but could I consider Fate and Anub'Zahar approved for the RP?
Indeed they are!
Any other specialty pies besides the two aforementioned ones? :)
Their vegetarian one is called "Food For Food".
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Indeed they are!
So tempting to throw a jittery, pacifist, hulking 19 feet tall and 10,000 pounds heavy titan like Zahar at Nexus City and see what happens.
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Henderson slaps a saddle on him and rides to war.
Let's do it.
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To him, Henderson would smell of faceless one guts and old god blood.
He's more likely to run away through a building in a frenzy and almost run him over in the process.
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Henderson slaps a saddle on him and rides to war.
Let's do it.
Polka would have to be involved.
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To him, Henderson would smell of faceless one guts and old god blood.
He's more likely to run away through a building in a frenzy and almost run him over in the process.
We get him high first. Then, we ride. Henderson still is owed a horse by a certain man.
Henderson slaps a saddle on him and rides to war.
Let's do it.
Polka would have to be involved.
I contend that CCR and the Canadian national anthem are acceptable substitutes, along with Busta Move by MC Young.
Also I always viewed Jack as some swarthy Italianish dude. Thanks for reinforcing that Elf. For that matter, seriously, why not let Jack nibble on Sakura? It won't hurt her, hell, it'll likely feel rather invigorating. The Kiss is some good shit.
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We get him high first. Then, we ride. Henderson still is owed a horse by a certain man.
Y'know, considering how he'll have one head of a headache trying to figure out things and he knows just how, ahem, relaxing drugs can be due to his alchemical knowledge, that's probably not a bad way to go about it.
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Partly because its an issue of consent. Sakura's not in a position to say yay or nay. Forest isn't just going to let someone nibble on a girl who can't give her say in the matter.
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Doing all sorts of stuff now, I'll let you get a little creative so that you can have a little more fun and since Downy had to at least prepare a few defenses that would give you some time to deal with monsters before he reappears. (Gotta remember that the ground nearby is practically swarming with them.)
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Doing all sorts of stuff now, I'll let you get a little creative so that you can have a little more fun and since Downy had to at least prepare a few defenses that would give you some time to deal with monsters before he reappears. (Gotta remember that the ground nearby is practically swarming with them.)
I was going to ask about that.
What are the sort of monsters that are there?
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You guys can just go ahead and post without me. Luka's deep in thought at the moment and all he's doing is mindlessly nodding whenever someone talks to him. Undine fucked off, by the way.
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Ah let's see we got lizardmen and tigermen, the tigermen are the commanders and they wield whip-swords similar to that of Ivy from Soul Calibur if you know who she is, the lizardmen wield curved swords and shields and both are full decked out in plate armor, actually you know what here's a picture of em:
(http://i.imgur.com/S4KSBPO.png)
There are other types of monsters such as the boarmen, the ninjas, and the mages, but the mages are all busy maintaining the circle and the rest of them are too busy attacking civilians and stuff to care.
Also if you're curious about Downy's undead monster thing he just made I got a picture of that as well:
(http://i.imgur.com/w7U13cw.png)
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Christmas festivities are ongoing so I'll only post tomorrow, most likely! Merry Christmas everyone!
Also, I gotta say this. I am kind of surprised that no one is playing Harry Dresden in this RP.
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Also, I gotta say this. I am kind of surprised that no one is playing Harry Dresden in this RP.
I am too, but then there's possibly the fear if the player gets him "wrong" that all sorts of hell will be rained down upon them. I mean, because it's Harry Dresden.
I was tempted to play as Murphy, but I was like, "But what if I got her wrong?!"
Thanks Mil. I can use that.
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You could do Murph well Elf.
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You could do Murph well Elf.
Eh, I doubt it. So I just might draft a Bad Ass Normal who's very much based off of Murphy but not her.
Also, meet Angel, the vampire with a soul.
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I'm now trying to work out what sort of pizza Kiyoshi would like....
Any indication on what sort of menu they have? Aside from the specials, I mean. Or on the name of the pizza place, for that matter....
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I'm now trying to work out what sort of pizza Kiyoshi would like....
Any indication on what sort of menu they have? Aside from the specials, I mean. Or on the name of the pizza place, for that matter....
The name of the pizza place is The Brick House.
Think of it as some hipster pizza place. It's really good, but it has that nerdy pretention to it. Think like all organic ingredients, five cheese blends, free range meats that sort of thing. Kind of expensive, but really good.
They also have a fantastic selection of beer on tap.
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I'm now trying to work out what sort of pizza Kiyoshi would like....
Any indication on what sort of menu they have? Aside from the specials, I mean. Or on the name of the pizza place, for that matter....
The name of the pizza place is The Brick House.
Think of it as some hipster pizza place. It's really good, but it has that nerdy pretention to it. Think like all organic ingredients, five cheese blends, free range meats that sort of thing. Kind of expensive, but really good.
Ah, OK.
Normally, I wouldn't expect a kid to go for that sort of stuff but, then he is Shirou and Sakura's son....
I doubt they're pretentious about food, but they certainly expect it to taste nice.
They also have a fantastic selection of beer on tap.
Lol, I don't think that's of much interest to Kiyoshi, although Rider probably would drink.
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And my second character is up and waiting for approval, while I wait for YOLF to respond to Valda.
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Titus Marius the Merciless has been approved.
Man, that is one impressive character sheet, Aiden.
. . . I will admit there is a lack of the prettier male vampires around here. There's Angel, but he doesn't count.
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Titus Marius the Merciless has been approved.
Man, that is one impressive character sheet, Aiden.
. . . I will admit there is a lack of the prettier male vampires around here. There's Angel, but he doesn't count.
With a little more experience and practice Marius might learn the next trick in line for Obfuscate: Appearing to be someone else! Then he can just pretend to be pretty.
But right now yeah, pretty big deficit in pretty male vamps.
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With a little more experience and practice Marius might learn the next trick in line for Obfuscate: Appearing to be someone else! Then he can just pretend to be pretty.
Crap, now I need to watch that episode of Angel where he meets the Master for the first time, because yeah, he'd have a similar reaction to the Destroyer Worm.
Still, that is a fantastic character sheet.
Oh Mike, the fantastic beer selection is part of the reason Lancer loves it so.
But right now yeah, pretty big deficit in pretty male vamps.
As GM, I suggest that this should be changed! I'm not going to force anything though, but make a suggestion. :p
Dhampirs are cool too.
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I'm really glad you like the sheet. I put a bunch of effort into it that could have gone into other things because damn it, I have RPG sourcebooks and a bunch of Wikipedia articles on Rome to draw information and references from and I wanted to use them.
Poor Marius, he'll never know love with a face like his. Even if he's fully functional.
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Please, Jack is ruggedly handsome.
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That does not equate to pretty.
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Please, Jack is ruggedly handsome.
Like Bruce Campbell ruggedly handsome?
You said his Charisma was D.
Poor Marius, he'll never know love with a face like his. Even if he's fully functional.
And anatomically correct?
Wait, I thought vampires need to spend "blood points" to get it up and what not?
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Poor Marius, he'll never know love with a face like his. Even if he's fully functional.
And anatomically correct?
Wait, I thought vampires need to spend "blood points" to get it up and what not?
Anatomically correct, yes.
And yes, they do; that means he's fully functional as long as he does that. /retroactive bullshit
But in all seriousness Requiem vampires can have fun with sex like anyone else as long as they spend a point of vitae to activate 'the Flush of Life'.
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That's what I thought.
About the "Flush of Life" stuff.
Buffyverse vamps never explain how they can fuck and eat. Angel drinks coffee and Spike can get drunk on alcohol.
I chock mine up to nerve impulses. That and sex is an easy way to get a vamp fed. Not to mention all senses get intensified- even touch. Which means if a guy was quick to go as a human, he'll have that problem even worse as a vampire until he can build up stamina. Also means it is ridiculously easy to get a female vampire off.
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With all these vamps around I'm tempted to bring in young Julius Belmont.
...Jojo is still on the knife's edge though.
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That's what I thought.
About the "Flush of Life" stuff.
Buffyverse vamps never explain how they can fuck and eat. Angel drinks coffee and Spike can get drunk on alcohol.
I chock mine up to nerve impulses. That and sex is an easy way to get a vamp fed. Not to mention all senses get intensified- even touch. Which means if a guy was quick to go as a human, he'll have that problem even worse as a vampire until he can build up stamina. Also means it is ridiculously easy to get a female vampire off.
Actually, oddly enough, even without the Flush of Life a vampire still has a working sense of touch. Their nerves function just fine, or at least whatever it is that animates them simulates a basically identical sensation for them... or twice as sensitive if they go full bore on the enhanced senses. The only reason they need the Flush of Life to get it up is that blood doesn't flow in their bodies otherwise. They can't, however, digest anything other than blood (barring a few odd bloodlines that can eat human flesh) without some kind of magical trick. Even with the Flush of Life they end up having to vomit that stuff back up after a while.
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Oh Mike, the fantastic beer selection is part of the reason Lancer loves it so.
Lol, that figures.
I'm struggling to work out what pizzas to pick, though. Kiyoshi wouldn't actually have much of a clue, honestly, I doubt he would eat pizza regularly, and I'm basically trying to design a menu for him to pick from....
I doubt I'll get this done tonight, because I need to sleep.
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Mike, it's just pizza.
Don't take it so seriously.
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Well, it's more that I just don't have a clue what to pick, at all, and nor do I really know off the top of my head what sort of pizzas a restaurant like that might sell, barring the obvious.
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Or you could have Kiyoshi just be clueless as you are, have him point at a few random ones, and I could handle the rest. :P No need to worry so much over it. :)
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Well, yeah, but that still requires me to have something to point at....
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Please, Jack is ruggedly handsome.
Like Bruce Campbell ruggedly handsome?
You said his Charisma was D.
Poor Marius, he'll never know love with a face like his. Even if he's fully functional.
And anatomically correct?
Wait, I thought vampires need to spend "blood points" to get it up and what not?
It's D because while he's OK looking, he carries himself like a predator and has a tendency to forget to blink while talking to people.
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Damn, Magos, what did his Humanity drop to already?
And how is he still Good aligned with that?
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I'd say 6 or 5. He's just bad at remembering the little things.
Plus, Gangrel. He wasn't very good at dealing with people as a human either.
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As a Christmas Present, character cap has been upped to Nine.
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Alright I've waited long enough it's time to show you all the 4 generals of ruin! Downy's subordinates they range from insane to completely sane to really really jealous. (So jealous they joined a murderous army.)
Also while looking through my game content I came across these little blurbs about the characters, may be good for some more info on them:
(http://i.imgur.com/HKB8WHf.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Sx9PANr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WYQ4ZTc.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rsS9sRy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/t1GoKfv.png)
Also final note as I just did all this information I will probably not be doing my post tonight I may do it tomorrow however after all the celebrations are done with, let me know what you guys think of the generals and perhaps vote on which one you want to appear first.
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Metagaming much there Lantz?
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Also, remember, Forest really doesn't have much if any wood in her house.
There's a lot of stone and metal; bed posts are going to be made from steel not wood. She's not going to give someone weapons to kill her in her own stronghold.
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Nope
merry Christmas everyone
edit: the first bit refers to Arch's statement
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Also, remember, Forest really doesn't have much if any wood in her house.
There's a lot of stone and metal; bed posts are going to be made from steel not wood. She's not going to give someone weapons to kill her in her own stronghold.
Lantz, it is metagaming. And kinda creepy on your end.
For that matter, the bedpost is steel as Elf said. Freaking hell dude, quit metagaming just because you think you can.
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I even made a post earlier on this thread explaining that there's not a lot of wood in Forest's house for good reason.
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I'm not worried about the metal bit elf, he needs a weapon, it could be a nerf post for all that it matters.
Arch your vampire wasn't subtle and he would have closed the door after forest left no matter what. He's defending Sakura because she can't defend herself and has been in that room this whole time because he is simply that protective.
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And he should be able to trust Forest, because she said he'd get him something to drink. Of course, Jack needs to leave in a way that he knows won't raise any more suspicion, so he might as well go out the same door as a crow.
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Connor isn't that sort of person. He doesn't leave things up to others and forgets about it. He's doing his own defense because plan A can always fail.
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Connor is between Sakura and jack arch, you cannot determine success. Please edit
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Jack is a vampire, and honestly whatever he did wouldn't stop him while he's in Frenzy.
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Doesn't matter his state. You can only determine intent. You cannot determine success as both pc's are mine, once again edit
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Doesn't matter his state. You can only determine intent. You cannot determine success as both pc's are mine, once again edit
First, Sakura is a non-entity in this, she's in no state to even resist by your own admission.
Second, I'll change it to intent, and trust me, Connor won't like being on the receiving end of a Hunger Frenzy.
Thirdly, Frenzy literally makes a vampire stronger, faster, and in general far far deadlier. Jack's now intent on one thing, feeding, and he'll take any source he can get, but due to EX charisma, congrats, Sakura is the target. Jack can pretty much blow by Connor without much effort on this end.
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You know with Elf's latest post if you guys wanted to be interrupted and join our fun, now is probably the best time to do it, progress has been slightly slow anyway could be a nice change of pace.
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Metagaming much there Lantz?
Right, because Connor wouldn't know anything at all about how traditional vampires work....
Jack is a vampire, and honestly whatever he did wouldn't stop him while he's in Frenzy.
You don't get to make that decision, though.
Also, you should really stop making really powerful characters and then trying to use their power to cripple Lantz's characters without him being able to even put up a fight.
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No, really. It's metagaming because why the hell didn't he do the same with Forest around the place. Even if Forest is supposedly friendly, why didn't he do this earlier if he's that protective of her? It's metagaming.
He's pretty much the Beast incarnate in Frenzy. Resilience means he pretty much can't be harmed, is far far stronger as the Beast has taken control. All he wants to do is feed. It doesn't matter what the target is, he will feed. Connor triggered a Frenzy through his actions and his, well, screaming (That shit hurts with enhanced hearing) bloody murder for no damn reason.
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No, really. It's metagaming because why the hell didn't he do the same with Forest around the place. Even if Forest is supposedly friendly, why didn't he do this earlier if he's that protective of her? It's metagaming.
Because IIRC the first time he met Forest she was coming into the room to save him and Sakura from your characters attacking him, and they were walking into her house.
He's pretty much the Beast incarnate in Frenzy. Resilience means he pretty much can't be harmed, is far far stronger as the Beast has taken control. All he wants to do is feed. It doesn't matter what the target is, he will feed. Connor triggered a Frenzy through his actions and his, well, screaming (That shit hurts with enhanced hearing) bloody murder for no damn reason.
Yeah, again, this is coming across to me as an excuse to cripple Lantz's characters. Attacking him is fine, but RPing is meant to be fun, and a total curb-stomp is not fun.
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Sigh, before I say my piece on this, I'll have to read up on everything.
And post, finally! :D Sorry, I had to go to a family thing yet again in the middle of writing my post. ^^" But now I'm back and that's done!
Ryoko points out something semi-obvious! Tom continues to have no social skills! Will Tom and Lancer duke it out? Will Tom hook up with Forest despite Lancer's misgivings? Will Kiyoshi ever cook that soup?
Find out in the next episode of Cross Effects, Complex Drama!
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I also do think it's unlikely that Connor could do literally nothing to even get in the way. Connor is half Lancer and half Bazett, he's not weak by any means. Rider or Lancer could beat him, but not without some effort.
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...Well, if he wants to get his throat ripped out, guts clawed open, and drained dry he sure can do that. A vampire in Frenzy is pretty much a force of nature.
Feel lucky he's not a high blood potency elder, he wouldn't have had a chance to scream.
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That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.
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I don't know... it does come off as metagaming a bit on lantz's part, now that I've read things.
This is one of those times where I suggest that Elf make the call, to prevent further arguing.
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That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.
Oh no, he couldn't but even a human like Connor isn't a match for a frenzying gangrel with a high amount of Resilience, and Protean.
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That seems really powerful, again. He could stand up to a servant for a reasonable period, if your character can just rip him apart then I think your character is too strong.
Oh no, he couldn't but even a human like Connor isn't a match for a frenzying gangrel with a high amount of Resilience, and Protean.
Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.
And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.
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Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.
And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.
Being half heroic spirit doesn't make any fucking sense.
And when you can take a 10 Gauge shotgun blast to the face without flinching, I don't think you can stop him when he turns his attention to you.
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I think what Magos is trying to say is, okay maybe a fight wouldn't be an easily resolved affair, but if it's just getting past Connor to feed from Sakura, then Jack can easily do that, especially in a frenzy.
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Connor isn't a normal human, though. He's half Heroic Spirit, remember.
And, I'm not saying Connor would win, just that he wouldn't lose/die instantly. If he loses instantly then your character is some way stronger than a servant, in this state at least.
Being half heroic spirit doesn't make any fucking sense.
He's half Lancer. That makes perfect sense.
When I said "half heroic spirit" I didn't mean it as a literal statement (Ryoko is half heroic spirit, but that half is genetically identical to Shirou, and Kiyoshi is not half heroic spirit, technically), I meant one of his parents is a legendary hero and demi-god, which means he's probably quite strong....
And when you can take a 10 Gauge shotgun blast to the face without flinching, I don't think you can stop him when he turns his attention to you.
Look, either he is OP or Connor can at least delay him. Those are the only two options here. If Connor can't even hold him up then he is too damn strong.
It is really ridiculous to make characters and then go "well, now I go into super-strong frenzy mode and kill you" whenever Lantz does anything you don't like (that he has no reason to ICly even expect would trigger that response).
I think what Magos is trying to say is, okay maybe a fight wouldn't be an easily resolved affair, but if it's just getting past Connor to feed from Sakura, then Jack can easily do that, especially in a frenzy.
I would imagine that Connor wouldn't just go away....
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I would imagine that Connor wouldn't just go away....
Well of course not. It's not exactly easy to feed when you're being kicked off your target!
Getting past Connor for an initial bite, however, is feasible enough that I feel that was the reason why Magos winged it that way in his post.
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Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.
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Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.
He's not "only human", though, he's half demi-god....
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Possibly he might be rather strong, but he's still only human. And Jack is easily stronger in a frenzy than Connor. For that matter, he's got claws, shapeshifting, and any physical delay is going to be shrugged off by Resilience.
He's not "only human", though, he's half demi-god....
So? That just means he's 1/4th god. And as such, shouldn't be as strong as his father in any way.
Jack's got what might possibly be a fucking Nemeses within him, a Strix contained within a living corpse. The Beast isn't just instinct. It's quasi-mystical in and of itself. Its the gift and curse of the Damned.
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People keep phrasing things better than me. ^_^" Basically what YOLF said, Jack's basically berserk right now. Even though Connor's stronger than a normal human, Jack's basically has enhanced strength from his berserker hunger rage in addition to his vampire strength. So Connor would struggle with that.
Again, though, please wait for Elf.
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Yeah, I'm sure Connor would struggle, I just don't think he'd lose instantly.
The thing is, though, even if this is actually valid and he really is strong enough to just brush Connor aside, it's still unreasonable. He's thrown in a really powerful character and then activated his powerful nature in response to Lantz acting reasonably towards a rather dubious-looking stranger, and now he's insisting on being able to kill or cripple Lantz's characters without Lantz getting to even put up a fight.
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Most likely thing that's going to happen is that Jack gets a bite off, then Connor kicks him off and they get into a brutal melee as the Beast redirects its priorities.
And from there, I dunno how it'd go, given Jack is frenzied and Connor is... well, not a pushover.
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Well, other characters will certainly get involved. Kiyoshi wouldn't ignore Connor's call, and I would imagine there are others in the house that also wouldn't (probably Lancer, if only because he wouldn't want to miss a good fight).
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Well, here's the thing - he didn't activate it because he wanted to, Frenzy isn't really something you activate for yourself. Sure, you can, but Riding The Wave isn't what Jack is doing right now.
He's hungry, there's a threat in front of him, there was a loud noise, EX charisma 'Bite me bite me' signals getting sent out, and he just wants to leave. It's not a 'Fuck you Lantz' power, its a survival mechanism, something Vampires do to keep themselves alive. It's part of being Kindred. The Beast is going to win out at some points, and it did here.
That instinct, is FEED FEED FEED FEED FEED FEED
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Connor is 1/4 Celtic God and probably has quite a few magic abilities as well, not to mention incredible physical reinforcement he probably learned from Bazett.
Sure Jack is in a Frenzy, but Connor isn't a push over either. Honestly, I think both of them are going to get hurt. Unless Jack bites Connor and causes him to JIZZ IN HIS PANTS.
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Well, yeah, that's what he'll do because he needs to FEED FEED FEED FEED FEED
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Well, he has to get at him first. Plus, Kiyoshi is going to hear his shout and come running, as will several others, most likely.
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Forest already has.
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...Wait, how long has it been since Forest got any?
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...Wait, how long has it been since Forest got any?
250+ years.
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...Daaaaaaaaaaaang.
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.... whelp!
Also, I'm guessing chances are Jack is now about 80% Forest's bitch due to guilt and how delicious her blood is nom nom nom
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...Daaaaaaaaaaaang.
Yeah, ouch....
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.... whelp!
Also, I'm guessing chances are Jack is now about 80% Forest's bitch due to guilt and how delicious her blood is nom nom nom
Basically. Well, it could be worse.
He could be 100% her bitch!
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At least, as Lancer can attest, she's a good master though!
And some lucky man is going to get Forest's "cherry".
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Poor Jack, he's definitely going to be Forest's Bitch after all this.
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Posted in case you guys were waiting on me
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Not really, and how thick is Connor anyway. I mean seriously. He must be freaking thick as an oak tree to miss this shit.
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OK, could you guys please stop just ignoring me? I know Kiyoshi isn't the number one priority right now, but he's still an eleven-year-old kid standing in the middle of the room angrily brandishing weapons without a damn clue what is going on.
I don't have a damn clue how to reply and I'm going to end up stuck again because I'm going to have about 50 posts to deal with and won't be able to make a sensible in-character response. Please could you guys just wait for a bit, and actually acknowledge that there are other people in the room. Sure, Forest wouldn't, but the rest of you would, particularly the guy being threatened by said swords....
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And Jack can't give a fuck as Kiyoshi wouldn't be able to hurt him anyway.
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Kiyoshi problem solved by a stern Ryoko. :3 As was the Forest problem. :3
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And Jack can't give a fuck as Kiyoshi wouldn't be able to hurt him anyway.
Really?
They're not just normal swords, they're magical swords. They can cut things (especially spiritual things) that a normal sword couldn't.
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Hm. I don't understand the full impact of what just happens, but is Forest in any condition to give consent right now? You guys are lucky Axe Cop hasn't reached your place on his patrol yet.
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Oh god, any of the cops showing up at this timing would be hilarious.
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Well, the bite itself was without consent, but the making out . . .
She kissed him back and asked him his name.
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Something something intoxication something something unsure state of mind something something I'm an 18 year old virgin and what is this
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Something something intoxication something something unsure state of mind something something I'm an 18 year old virgin and what is this
A valid concern.
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Hmm, true... albeit Tom doesn't know what the hell he's doing either, but a very valid point. ^_^" ...Oh dear, what has Ryoko done? D:
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So did I get any approval on the generals?
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So did I get any approval on the generals?
They are approved!
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First off, Mike, Resiliance works in two ways- and both of them either flat out no sell the damage or make it so that it simply doesn't hinder the Kindred or Ghoul. Vampires are tough fuckers. The blades honestly wouldn't do shit. To him. Also good god is Conner thicker than an oak tree.
And poor Jack. He feels horrible about all of this.
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Poor Jack. All he wanted was some blood from the first pretty girl he saw and all of a sudden this all happens. :( At least things are going well for everyone involved except him as a result, though. :3
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Yeah. Still sucks for our friendly neighborhood vampire though.
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HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO TURN EVERYTHING INTO SMUT
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Something something intoxication something something unsure state of mind something something I'm an 18 year old virgin and what is this
Being drunk doesn't mean a lack of consent, though. If it did then pretty much every couple ever would have committed mutual rape at least once.
...Oh dear, what has Ryoko done? D:
Forgotten about Kiyoshi, again....
First off, Mike, Resiliance works in two ways- and both of them either flat out no sell the damage or make it so that it simply doesn't hinder the Kindred or Ghoul. Vampires are tough fuckers. The blades honestly wouldn't do shit. To him.
So, then, he's ridiculously OP and basically can't be hurt...?
Poor Jack. All he wanted was some blood from the first pretty girl he saw and all of a sudden this all happens. :(
He tried to attack a sleeping girl who is rather ill in the first place and quite possibly could have died from him doing so. It's his own damn fault.
True, I guess that getting triggered like he did isn't really his fault, but nor is it really anyone else's, Connor had no reason to know that would be the response.
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So, then, he's ridiculously OP and basically can't be hurt...?
Not exactly. As someone who has a character who also has Resilience: it can only handle so much damage from a single strike and it can only be used so many times before the vampire starts running out of energy and needs to feed again.
However any given 'use' lasts about 3 seconds give or take a couple more, so it can take a lot of punishment especially if you're a Gangrel who focused on it as much as Jack seems to have.
So it has limits, but a couple brief little sword barrages are not those limits.
Edit: Also, on the drunk sex thing, it is generally accepted by anyone who has a clue about this sort of thing that if only one party involved is drunk and the other party has sex with them then it's date-rape. Consent can only be given when one is 'of clear and sound mind'.
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So, then, he's ridiculously OP and basically can't be hurt...?
Not exactly. As someone who has a character who also has Resilience: it can only handle so much damage from a single strike and it can only be used so many times before the vampire starts running out of energy and needs to feed again.
However any given 'use' lasts about 3 seconds give or take a couple more, so it can take a lot of punishment especially if you're a Gangrel who focused on it as much as Jack seems to have.
So it has limits, but a couple brief little sword barrages are not those limits.
I see....
It still seems odd that Kiyoshi's attacks would do literally nothing.
Edit: Also, on the drunk sex thing, it is generally accepted by anyone who has a clue about this sort of thing that if only one party involved is drunk and the other party has sex with them then it's date-rape. Consent can only be given when one is 'of clear and sound mind'.
Really?
That seems really quite extreme to me. And absurd, too. I am accountable if I commit a crime whilst drunk, or sign a contract, so why would I not be accountable for agreeing to have sex? At least if I voluntarily got myself drunk, if the person in question spiked my drink to get me to consent that's another matter entirely (and, no, that doesn't really extent to anyone else, because that person is not responsible for your state, although if you're clearly incapable of making any kind of decision that's different again).
Also, "of clear and sound mind" sounds to me like an extremely broad definition. People are often not of clear and sound mind, and denying them any right to make decisions when they're not seems really oppressive, frankly. This situation being a perfect example of where saying "she's not consenting" is frankly moronic.
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They would make him expend energy to defend himself from them, which is something but isn't direct damage. Still, you're right that it's not 'nothing'.
Still, vampires treat things that aren't fire or other things they're specifically weak to... or magic that fucks with regeneration... as being no more dangerous than being punched by someone even without Resilience.
And on the consent point: You are right that in many US states the laws on this matter are actually really vague. In New York State, specifically... well this is from a Reddit post so don't take it too seriously, but it's the best I found on short notice:
Being "incapable of consent" is a little less clear, and is defined as a condition where any of the following apply to the victim (as specified in subsection 3 of NYS Penal Law § 130.05):
The individual is less than seventeen years old.
The individual is "mentally disabled".
The individual is "mentally incapacitated".
The individual is "physically helpless".
The individual is incarcerated.
The individual is committed to some kind of medical facility (e.g. a hospital).
In New York, you are considered "mentally disabled" if you have some sort of mental or neural condition which prevents you from realistically judging the consequences of your actions.
You would be considered "mentally incapacitated" if you were under the influence of an intoxicating substance only if you did not serve yourself the substance, although you might be "physically helpless" if you drank enough.
In other words, according to the laws of New York, if you got yourself drunk, but weren't so drunk that you became helpless, you are capable of giving consent, although if someone spikes your drink or puts a date rape drug or something of that nature in it, it is always considered rape.
The actual point at which you would become helpless is something a judge would analyze if you filed a complaint and the local attorney decided they had enough evidence to prosecute.
So you are partially correct in how it works at least here legally. Elsewhere, I don't know, but I've still heard it said that it's considered pretty shitty (if not actually illegal) to have sex with someone who is drunk unless you're about as drunk as they are. I don't know because I don't drink.
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I see....
It still seems odd that Kiyoshi's attacks would do literally nothing.
It's not exactly that they'd do nothing. Resilience would just make the damage from the attack effectively mean little to Jack unless it goes over his capacity to ignore.
Ever seen Hellsing Ultimate? You know those scenes when Alucard gets all torn up or filled full of holes and keeps moving as though he wasn't hit at all? That's basically it.
Mind you, the swords would definitely leave wounds that he'd need to expend at least a minimum of blood to close, but they wouldn't really hurt him in the true sense.
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So you are partially correct in how it works at least here legally. Elsewhere, I don't know, but I've still heard it said that it's considered pretty shitty (if not actually illegal) to have sex with someone who is drunk unless you're about as drunk as they are. I don't know because I don't drink.
Yeah, it probably would be seen as "pretty shitty", although it depends somewhat on the circumstances (having consensual sex with your girlfriend when she's drunk is probably OK, for example, and having sex with someone who is moderately drunk but seems in control when you're sober isn't that bad either). But, as you say, it's likely not illegal.
This case is slightly different because she's not self-medicated but, on the other hand, not having sex would be really quite bad for her right now. It's not a case where the police could reasonably get involved.
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I see....
It still seems odd that Kiyoshi's attacks would do literally nothing.
It's not exactly that they'd do nothing. Resilience would just make the damage from the attack effectively mean little to Jack unless it goes over his capacity to ignore.
Ever seen Hellsing Ultimate? You know those scenes when Alucard gets all torn up or filled full of holes and keeps moving as though he wasn't hit at all? That's basically it.
Mind you, the swords would definitely leave wounds that he'd need to expend at least a minimum of blood to close, but they wouldn't really hurt him in the true sense.
Pretty much this.
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HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO TURN EVERYTHING INTO SMUT
something something hormones something something shark week
Forgotten about Kiyoshi, again....
...Cherry, you know damn well that she was the one that told him to go downstairs. She did acknowledge him. That's BS. Don't start this crap again.
As for the current situation between Forest and Tom, I think it's pretty ambiguous all around. Tom didn't technically give proper consent either- his intent was to simply kiss her and pull back, he had no idea that he was in for sex nor was he intending to have sex with her, as he's pretty clueless about sex at this point other than knowing some of the biological mechanisms involved and knowing that it's a thing that exists. Basically, in his current condition, he's about as rational as Fore is. The difference with him is that he could be snapped out of it in Fore told him to stop or similar, so... I don't know. I guess with that information, what becomes of the situation then?
Either way, probably not the nicest thing Ryoko's ever done, really, even if she didn't know about Tom's "condition." ^_^"
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Sorry for the double post.
But I guess what I'm trying to say here, is... did I make a major moral mistake here? ^_^"
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Yep.
Feel proud!
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Yep.
Feel proud!
... ;_;
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Don't fret here Alice. At least we got smut out of it.
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Yeah, you can actually count on Alice and Elf to deliver on smut, unlike two certain neckbeards.
hint hint
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Hey. Blame Nachos for that one.
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Hmm, that's true at least. :)
...butstillwhydidntithinkthisthroughimafeministishouldknowbetterwhydiletmylibidogetthebetterofmewhhhyyy;_;
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Even feminists occasionally want questionable licentiousness in their lives.
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...Cherry, you know damn well that she was the one that told him to go downstairs. She did acknowledge him. That's BS. Don't start this crap again.
Well, what I mean is that she promised to help him cook and now is going off with Lancer instead.
As for the current situation between Forest and Tom, I think it's pretty ambiguous all around. Tom didn't technically give proper consent either- his intent was to simply kiss her and pull back, he had no idea that he was in for sex nor was he intending to have sex with her, as he's pretty clueless about sex at this point other than knowing some of the biological mechanisms involved and knowing that it's a thing that exists. Basically, in his current condition, he's about as rational as Fore is. The difference with him is that he could be snapped out of it in Fore told him to stop or similar, so... I don't know. I guess with that information, what becomes of the situation then?
Either way, probably not the nicest thing Ryoko's ever done, really, even if she didn't know about Tom's "condition." ^_^"
I don't think it's that awful, honestly. Neither of them really object, they're just not entirely sure what they're doing. And Forest actually needs it to happen, so regardless of her ability to give informed consent I think denying her sex right now would be worse than not doing so.
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Even feminists occasionally want questionable licentiousness in their lives.
*Cough*Romance novels*Cough*
Alice, don't worry about it.
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Edited Marius' sheet a bit for the following:
1) Forgot mention his height.
2) Forgot to mention his Likes and Dislikes
3) Forgot that the garlic thing has to touch open wounds to actually hurt him. Still has trouble approaching it though.
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Well, what I mean is that she promised to help him cook and now is going off with Lancer instead.
Except that hasn't happened for sure yet. They still have to get Tom and Fore into someplace more private (btw, I'm waiting for Elf to post with Lancer before I post myself, if anyone's wondering why I haven't posted anything yet). Don't make accusations like that over stuff that hasn't even occurred yet.
And as for the Tom/Fore thing, yeah, you guys are right, I probably shouldn't stress over it too much. ^_^" I'm entitled to my smut too, after all. :3
Speaking of Tom... I technically outed his true identity, even if his appearance is still that of McHandsome Bishonen Moeglasses for the moment and probably still will be for quite awhile, but... well, you think I should go ahead and update his sheet now, or wait until he's outed in a more obvious fashion?
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Well, what I mean is that she promised to help him cook and now is going off with Lancer instead.
Except that hasn't happened for sure yet. They still have to get Tom and Fore into someplace more private (btw, I'm waiting for Elf to post with Lancer before I post myself, if anyone's wondering why I haven't posted anything yet). Don't make accusations like that over stuff that hasn't even occurred yet.
Well, sure. It seemed like it was going to, though.
And as for the Tom/Fore thing, yeah, you guys are right, I probably shouldn't stress over it too much. ^_^" I'm entitled to my smut too, after all. :3
Yeah, this isn't real life, you don't have to worry about your characters being morally perfect or about enjoying dubious things.
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Go ahead, enjoy your smut!
Where is Nachos ;_;
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Pooooooooooooooossssssssssssssssttttttttttt!
Also, Jack's rant about giving the dick was still hilarious.
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Are we still looking for pretty/handsome vampires, Elf? Cause I got one to join the party.
I just have to finish this damn research to make his backstory work damnit
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Are we still looking for pretty/handsome vampires, Elf? Cause I got one to join the party.
I just have to finish this damn research to make his backstory work damnit
Sure! They are always welcome.
I should introduce Gabriel's mom soon.
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Arch if you want a threesome you should probably just ask.
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I don't! It's really what Jack would do and if he can't escape out the door it's window time! He just wants some alcohol dammit!
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It really is sort of sad for him. Poor Jack, can't get any.
Besides, he might not be able to keep up.
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It really is sort of sad for him. Poor Jack, can't get any.
Besides, he might not be able to keep up.
The blush of life only lasts for a while. Having it end during sex would suck!
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The blush of life only lasts for a while. Having it end during sex would suck!
Oh god it would. Not to mention it would piss off his partner.
But Jack, you miss out on eternal virgin poon-tang.
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Being Jack is suffering. And he DOES have an eternity. Perhaps some other night.
He is about 80% Forests Bitch after tonight. He's pretty damn guilty about all this.
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And new character posted, look her over elf
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He is about 80% Forests Bitch after tonight. He's pretty damn guilty about all this.
So, Forest maybe getting a harem.
That's sort of hilarious.
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Well she kinda deserves one after all the shit she's had to put up with in one night.
In other news, lantz's new character is kinda curayzhee.
I'm pretty sure the Head of the Magic Association has been there for about 2000 years, lantz. Are you telling me that Rin managed to beat him and take his place, or worse, get elected in the xenophobic Clock Tower? That's kinda scary.
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I thought Loreli was the head, but she's just always off hunting vampires.
Also I don't think a magic cell phone would work.
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Short answer bloble (odd auto correct brought up your name as a default word) Rin was appointed by Saber because illuminati (previously a cabal established to await the return of king Arthur) controlled and established the association in the first place and immediately handed Saber authority over the association.
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Lorelei is the Vice Director. The actual Director's been the Director for 2000 years, since the start of the Association itself, and is almost never seen (also thought to be more than human). Basically, the Vice Director does most stuff. It's also a post usually reserved for those from the Barthomeloi family, which is also older than the Association. This is without mentioning all the politics that goes into everything, or the constant political power struggles between the hundreds of family Heads and the Heads of the various departments.
Short answer bloble (odd auto correct brought up your name as a default word) Rin was appointed by Saber because illuminati (previously a cabal established to await the return of king Arthur) controlled and established the association in the first place and immediately handed Saber authority over the association.
what
that's just what
Saber isn't even a mage though.
Also the association is older than Saber. She was alive anywhere from 300 something AD to the 1400s, and it's at least 2000 years old. So it couldn't have been established for her, since she hadn't even been born at that time.
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Saber isn't so she appointed Rin
nothing I read states the associations age bloble
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Side Materials.
However, I'll allow it.
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Here:
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Clock_Tower#cite_note-CM3-2 (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Clock_Tower#cite_note-CM3-2)
Yes it's the wiki, but this is a link to one of the few cited parts of it, so we can be assured of its accuracy. The quote here comes from Character Material 3.
The person of highest position in the Clock Tower, the “Director” has been the same person for the 2000 years since the founding of the organization, and because of this is thought to be something more than human.
But hey, Elf says it's fine so I'll just treat this as some alt universe where the Association works differently. No problemo.
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But hey, Elf says it's fine so I'll just treat this as some alt universe where the Association works differently. No problemo.
It is. This Rin is the one from Satoshi, Sakura, and Connor's time line. So . . . things are apparently really different there.
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3? No wonder, I did all my research pre three, my stuff is pretty alt u anyway since I follow white rather than cannon for a lot like Saber's age for example
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That Rin is fucking blatantly OP, and they aren't making out in the room they're in the hallway Lantz.
Good god dude learn some reading comprehension.
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Elf's post was about pushing them out, if it happened then I misread it, not a thing unique to me I might add.
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I dunno, from what I can see that Rin is pretty much normal Rin with a better figure, martial arts, and a laser gun. The second magic thing is straight up canon anyway.
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I'm more talking the Statline. And the idiotic revolver.
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Theoretically, if Rin had a dye press she could make magic bullets with gem chips.
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Ex in her field makes sense since there's only five true magicians
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The problem with that is that is barrel wear and accuracy, and for that matter spell activation. Lead is used in bullets for a reason.
Also, satanists. Seriously.
And Lantz this is what we mean by your characters not suffering any consequence for their action.
And it isn't the EX it's everything else.
Edit: And if Sakura can apparently do the Second Han it isn't the second anymore.
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No idea what you are on about Arch, don't really care much either. Waiting on you elf
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Basically a revolver like that is stupid and using it to shoot Prana gems is even more useless as the gems will either shatter due to pressure or carve the barrel into a useless wreck that won't shoot accurately by any measure.
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Right, and the fact that she's a magus who happens to be married to a guy whose speciality is projection and related fields doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to any of that...?
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It fucking doesn't due to the basic way rifling and such fucking works Mike. If it was a gem shotgun I'd complain less but there is still the issue of fucking activation and that still isn't addressed in any reasonable manner. That's why.
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Aiden, bro.
That was one hell of an in character post. Well done.
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Marius is going to be soaked in blood for days with the slaughter he's about to cause.
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And you know those stains don't come out.
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That they don't. That they don't.
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I wonder what those things taste like?
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Chicken, obviously.
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Chicken.
Well, there's mages to chomp on too.
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Poor Finn. Even when he gets lucky he's unlucky.
And emphasized the fact that Tom's human here because apparently a certain someone unsurprisingly doesn't get that point at all. Because he is human right now. H-u-m-a-n. Homo sapiens. Albeit a rather pretty one with some weird supernatural quirks. But that's besides the point. And he will be for any and all smut scenes he's involved in. Human that is. Because a certain someone will likely try to say otherwise at some point in this thread, I know it.
A certain someone that had that woman who vaguely resembles Rin have a terribly convenient entrance... Seriously, lantz, this is what we mean by you metagaming. And why we say that all your characters are so hard to interact with, all of them are so unpleasant to everyone except each other.
...And with that bit of passive aggression, some of you might now be realizing why I mentioned hormones earlier. ^_^"
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...Alice, I'm pretty sure people don't just say 'okay' to random strangers jumping into their make-out session and claiming that threesomes are needed. Then again, this is porn logic and they're both your characters, so it's not going to ruin the immersion or anything.
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...You got a real good point there. ^_^" Honestly, I probably need some sleep or something, but... eh. Admittedly, though, Tom's line of thinking is kinda screwy right now as it is, however, but he probably would have tossed Finn out or even killed him if he didn't offer himself up as Forest food. Plus Tom's counting on Forest draining poor Finn dry, as far as Tom's concerned, Finn'll be dead soon anyway, so he still gets Forest to himself.
...I still probably need sleep though.... I keep screwing up really badly tonight...
Also, I thought I'd attempt to explain how Tom's transformation works to emphasize my earlier point further. He's human right now literally down to his genetics. Basically, while I could probably get away with just saying that's how it works without further explanation because pseudoscience, I think I actually have a halfway plausible explanation for his ability to transform from being human to his human form and back again. ...Kinda. Sorta. It still has basis in psudoscience, but it's based on actual genetics stuff.
To keep things basic from explaining the biology standpoint, in order to keep our body functioning, we actually turn genes on and off. See, our genes are blueprints for what proteins our cells produce, and turning them on and off helps us regulate what proteins are produced when. Well, I figure this then... why not have that happen on a larger scale? Basically, have a big massive thing happen where a bunch of genetic switches are turned on and off to the point where the body can somehow change into a different form without screwing itself up.
It's still kinda pseudo-sciencey, however- aside from explaining how the body is able to change itself on such a massive scale to begin with, there's also the matter of excess DNA. Turns out mammals don't handle extra DNA so well (I think this applies for all vertebrates as well, but I'd have to double check.) An extra chromosome's worth is easily enough to screw things up. So I couldn't explain away any of that, sadly. But otherwise that's the most scientific explanation I can come up with that doesn't completely screw with what we know about genetics.
So... there you guys go. ^_^" Thoughts, comments, feelings, am I stressing/worrying about stuff way too much again?
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Ignoring that disturbing bit entirely.
I don't meta game.
anyone heard from names?
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A certain someone that had that woman who vaguely resembles Rin have a terribly convenient entrance... Seriously, lantz, this is what we mean by you metagaming.
I don't see how else people are meant to bring in new characters other than when it's convenient to do so. I certainly have done that sort of thing. And, honestly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with him doing it given that Sakura is holding his RPing back due to her injury and the fact that Magos refuses to leave his characters alone. If he's metagaming, then you're also metagaming by having Tom fuck Forest (and even more so with the threesome thing), and I was metagaming when I sent Rider after Toshi.
Sure he's using his OOC preferences to guide where his characters arrive and how they act to some extent, but so is everyone else, because if we didn't there would be little point in us bothering to even RP. We could just give Elf a list of the characters and tell her to write a story involving them. He's not using OOC knowledge to decide how they act, he's just having a character he wanted to bring in anyway show up in a way that makes it easier for him to continue RPing in the way he wants to. Therefore he is not metagaming.
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Ignoring that disturbing bit entirely.
I don't meta game.
anyone heard from names?
...How the fucking hell is any of that disturbing, lantz? Though why the hell doesn't it shock me that you think genetics is disturbing? Would explain quite a bit, really...
And... lantz. We kinda pointed out in the past how you kinda did. And screwed up quite a bit of things for people by doing so. But when the hell would you ever care about anyone but yourself enough to notice?
And Mike, it's not the freaking same. At all. Seriously, a freaking portal suddenly appears in the freaking room and she very conveniently appears right where her daughter is?! Mike, whether it's metagaming or not, it's bad writing. There was no build up or set up whatsoever, and then it's just treated like it was a normal thing when it clearly isn't. But then, I should be used to that from him at this point...
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1) I previously established in the RP that the phones send traffic between each other and put out tracking signals, so Rin showing up in that room is because Connor is in the room with Sakura's phone.
2) Elf please check your box I pm'd you and I think that's the best course from now on.
3) I'm setting up a thing so that I can RP with incoming characters so I don't really care what you think about my version of Rin.
Edit, I wasn't referring to genetics Alice
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And Mike, it's not the freaking same. At all. Seriously, a freaking portal suddenly appears in the freaking room and she very conveniently appears right where her daughter is?! Mike, whether it's metagaming or not, it's bad writing. There was no build up or set up whatsoever, and then it's just treated like it was a normal thing when it clearly isn't. But then, I should be used to that from him at this point...
And my Sakura will appear where Kiyoshi is, because that's how she travels. It figures that, if Rin is trying to find Sakura, she's trace where they are.
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Then what the hell were you referring to lantz? Because if I think it's what you're referring to, from what I was told, that's a pretty damn nasty accusation, lantz, so I see no real reason to give you an ounce of respect at this point, not when you're going to accuse me of being into what you apparently accused me of being into...
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Very clearly there's misinformation here. I never said a word about your preferences. I explained to elf the way I see the events given that I am now aware of who Tom is.
it's like those monsters in slasher horror who are aliens disguised as men or women. Sure the sex scene is fine before the creature changes into it's alien form and murders the guy or girl but after that, by which I mean every time you would watch the movie afterward the human actor and the scene would be unsettling regardless because you know it's not human.
I know the truth therefore I find it unsettling and icky to read. I am entitled to such a normal response.
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I'm not sure why exactly it's unsettling. After all, your own character has had sex with a Gorgon. They look human so why does it matter what they really are?
But, there's nothing wrong with that as a personal feeling, even if it seems a bit of an odd feeling to have to me.
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And my Sakura will appear where Kiyoshi is, because that's how she travels. It figures that, if Rin is trying to find Sakura, she's trace where they are.
I have a feeling it has to do with Kuro, right?
Well, Gabriel appeared in front of Downy. Someone's starting up magic shit that is going to kill a lot of people. Gabe doesn't like that.
And guys, Lantz has the right to feel how he does, and so does everyone else.
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And my Sakura will appear where Kiyoshi is, because that's how she travels. It figures that, if Rin is trying to find Sakura, she's trace where they are.
I have a feeling it has to do with Kuro, right?
Yep. Sakura travels through her shadow familiars. She does need some help from Rin, though, she can't usually do inter-dimensional travel even through her shadows.
And guys, Lantz has the right to feel how he does, and so does everyone else.
Yeah, exactly.
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Likely because the added weight of my childhood, plus for whatever reason Greek monsters don't creep me out, no idea why they don't, probably all the d&d and fantasy books I read.
it's the natural that thing isn't human response, it's like a hook in my brain and as I said it's unsettling. It's a basic reaction in the back of my brain mike, it's not like I can control it, like I said in my example it's a matter of knowing the truth.
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...Honestly, when you put it that way, it feels like you're still shaming me for it, even if I was wrong in what I thought you were accusing me of...
So, then, what, when you do it it's ok, but when I do it, it's not? Thanks lantz...
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It's an instinctive reaction, instinctive reactions aren't generally logical....
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I'm not shaming you, I'm stating the way I feel, the natural response I have is hell part of the design of fiction. It makes you look deeper for signs of the inhumanity when you rewatch a movie like that (assuming the writer and director get good actors) with Rider I think it's two fold one that she doesn't look like the gorgon during that scene but also that depending on the exact myth she was either a human or a goddess and both account as human and stories of tragedy for one reason or another I won't get into are the sort that resonate with with best.
also again it's just a part of my childhood, I wasn't saying anything in the thread before you brought it up because while I find it unsettling Alice I also acknowledge that you are being tasteful about it which gets my respect (unlike those god awful fan books that rape my childhood daily in a literal fashion. SAILIORMOON IS NOT A FUCKING WHORE)
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You're still shaming her, in a way. And there's the thing - if it looks human is human genetically and is intelligent then it's a fucking human even if it is transformed. It's the Jack Harkness test. It's consenting, intelligent, and of sexual maturity. It passes all three tenants and as such is OK to fuck without it being bestiality like you seem to imply you hypocritical jackass.
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Torchwood sucked
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Fuck you, Torchwood was great. You can't attack my argument so you're resorting to something different. Wow, how mature.
And I agree with Alice, the appearance of "Rin" (Because she's Rin in name only) was a blatant bit of metagaming and just stupid. Very stupid. It violates suspension of disbelief.
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You're still shaming her, in a way. And there's the thing - if it looks human is human genetically and is intelligent then it's a fucking human even if it is transformed. It's the Jack Harkness test. It's consenting, intelligent, and of sexual maturity. It passes all three tenants and as such is OK to fuck without it being bestiality like you seem to imply you hypocritical jackass.
Honestly, you can replace that test with just "has given informed consent", because the other two basically reduce to that. Also, technically, sexual maturity doesn't imply ability to consent. A human doesn't reach full sexual maturity until 20 or so, but they're still able to consent prior to that.
And I agree with Alice, the appearance of "Rin" (Because she's Rin in name only) was a blatant bit of metagaming and just stupid. Very stupid. It violates suspension of disbelief.
I don't see any problem with it at all. It's not "meta-gaming" to have your characters co-incidentally appear when it's helpful for them to do so, and if it is then every single damn thing you've done is meta-gaming, because you keep conveniently showing up wherever Lantz's characters are and then conveniently going nuts in order to kill them....
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I established how the phone works well in advance of her showing up arch so you are wrong. And once again I care absolutely zero about your opinion of my characters. You've been doing nothing but trying to murder them from the start. Thus your opinion isn't worth a damn since the only interaction is a flimsy excuse to kill off my characters.
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Jack going crazy is something vampires do as I've already explained. He would have been fine, and did manage to restrain himself from flipping out into a full on anger frenzy. Now that's not fun to be the target of, and I can attest in game that Frenzy is a very very real threat.
And going loud isn't going berserk. It's a Demon reclaiming his lost power in a relatively dramatic and very very visible way. For that matter, it was very in character for Raul to investigate the Castle.
Speaking of which, I'm going to need to have him pop up again soon. Some minions are going to end up getting shredded. And maybe that Assassin General. Ready for the Demon to fight Milbunk? Because, its a quite awesome thing to see Raul when he goes into murder mode.
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Also, the Harkness Test -
(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1365/62/1365625901729.png)
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Jack going crazy is something vampires do as I've already explained. He would have been fine, and did manage to restrain himself from flipping out into a full on anger frenzy. Now that's not fun to be the target of, and I can attest in game that Frenzy is a very very real threat.
Yeah, and being able to find Sakura is something that Lantz's Rin can do. She has to arrive somehow, that is the most sensible way of doing it. And he's mostly doing it to get Sakura out of the way, so I see no problem with that.
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I don't believe you for even a second Arch.
Alice's characters have actual reasons, I think they ought to be a bit more receptive to the honest heartfelt apology but that is neither here nor there. Your characters on the other hand have consistently tried to murder mine without fail.
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Jack going crazy is something vampires do as I've already explained. He would have been fine, and did manage to restrain himself from flipping out into a full on anger frenzy. Now that's not fun to be the target of, and I can attest in game that Frenzy is a very very real threat.
Yeah, and being able to find Sakura is something that Lantz's Rin can do. She has to arrive somehow, that is the most sensible way of doing it. And he's mostly doing it to get Sakura out of the way, so I see no problem with that.
True, though at that exact moment was pushing it a bit IMO. That's really all.
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Jack going crazy is something vampires do as I've already explained. He would have been fine, and did manage to restrain himself from flipping out into a full on anger frenzy. Now that's not fun to be the target of, and I can attest in game that Frenzy is a very very real threat.
Yeah, and being able to find Sakura is something that Lantz's Rin can do. She has to arrive somehow, that is the most sensible way of doing it. And he's mostly doing it to get Sakura out of the way, so I see no problem with that.
True, though at that exact moment was pushing it a bit IMO. That's really all.
Maybe a little, but I was going to do the same with Sakura to fix the mess I was having with Alice a few weeks back, and no-one complained about that.
Sure it's a bit of a co-incidence, but the way that RPing works means that we do sometimes invoke co-incidences like that for the sake of making the game run smoothly. It was really quite a co-incidence that Rider just happened to stumble on Hakuno when she went out feeding, for example....
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Right, it runs stuff like this.
However the problem I'm seeing is that all these coincidences are things Lantz is doing to wank and cheerlead his characters. I mean, seriously. This situation was already resolved when Rin popped up and started to try and dictate it.
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Hell the alley scene was worse if you remember mike, people were showing up every ten seconds started with three then ballon to I think fifteen
I'm not wanking anything, I was busy with Christmas stuff so I didn't get the sheet up until after and once approved Rin entered as I planned and showed where Sakura's phone was, if Connor had it downstairs she would have portaled in there. I was very detailed.
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However the problem I'm seeing is that all these coincidences are things Lantz is doing to wank and cheerlead his characters. I mean, seriously. This situation was already resolved when Rin popped up and started to try and dictate it.
Actually, no, he's using it mainly to get Sakura out of there because right now she's a sitting duck, and it's holding the rest of his characters back from RPing. And, he intended to bring Rin in anyway.
And, yeah, Rin is being needlessly pushy here but, hey, she's Rin....
Hell the alley scene was worse if you remember mike, people were showing up every ten seconds started with three then ballon to I think fifteen
Yeah, well, the whole thing was pretty much an excuse for us to all meet up.
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Rin was being polite, well for Rin anyway.
and yeah it was so we met up but it still became a cluster fuck reply wise if you recall
Rin is there for synergy and because of the current situation and to avoid the car issue (with this we won't be stuck if similar issues arise)
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Contrived happenings shall always be necessary.
It's just a matter of when, really.
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Right, and I feel that this was the wrong time to bring her in.
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Anyway I'll ask again. Anyone heard from names?
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No.
As is he's got some characters tied up in things at the moment, and with me as well, so don't just puppet his. He's probably busy with work and shit.
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Well, there does come a point where we do need to find a way to work around his absence, although I agree he is probably just busy.
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I don't play others characters Arch, I'm asking because I'm waiting and last he posted it was about being sick, if he stays that way for the week I'd wait then it's likely rather serious.
I can't wait forever is all I'm saying
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Bones posted.
I can't believe I missed that latest Valda post.
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And I think Elf and I are waiting for Milbunk.
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Ah, Mil. Thanks for deciding to give us bad guys to fight, bro. We owe you one.
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Heh no problem, they asked for a major antagonist to fight and I delivered. (It's a different feel playing evil guys I don't do it that often if you'll believe that.)
Also were you waiting on me Aiden? I might have missed a post from you cause the posts come so fast in this RP, I at least know Elf posted last night and was preparing to respond to her.
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Heh no problem, they asked for a major antagonist to fight and I delivered. (It's a different feel playing evil guys I don't do it that often if you'll believe that.)
Also were you waiting on me Aiden? I might have missed a post from you cause the posts come so fast in this RP, I at least know Elf posted last night and was preparing to respond to her.
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9026.html#msg9026 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9026.html#msg9026)
This post is happening to that scene with the monsters.
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Raul is going to jump in soon. Any suggestions for who he should meet up with first?
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Hmm, so, Elf, what is actually left in the kitchen at this point? Is Kiyoshi going to be able to find the basic ingredients needed to make chicken soup...?
Also, does anyone actually know how to make chicken soup? Beyond "open a tin and heat it on the hob", I mean....
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Likely not, Ruu totaled the kitchen. chicken soup is made with stock and chicken boiled together after the chicken is cooked and chopped up in the boiling stock. That's just one way though and very basic
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Yeah, I'm guessing Kiyoshi's recipe will be somewhat more complex than that. At very least it's going to have herbs etc. to add taste.
Actually, isn't the soup kind-of redundant now anyway...?
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Hmm... looking up recipes, Kiyoshi might have to resort to using what's left in Forest's spice cabinet as flavoring because Forest's supply of fruits and veggies was demolished (including her oranges and lemons... poor Fore, everything that was dear to her so suddenly taken away until now).
But yeah, if I remember right, it's a matter of finding good chicken stock, chopping the chicken into chunks, cooking up some sort of noodles or pasta, and mixing them all together. Kiyoshi could get creative with his spices possibly, like maybe a hint of curry powder to give it a kick for instance, or some ginger maybe, or maybe something more simple like paprika or rosemary? Honestly, I'm not an expert myself, though I could ask my mom later and see if she has any suggestions. Otherwise you could go along the lines of what I suggested and improvise.
Probably thinking of what type of noodles he wants to use would be a good start. Does he want thicker ones or angel hair, or even want to do something unconventional and put in bow ties or the curly cue ones or something similar?
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Noodles? I thought it was meant to be soup....
Something like what you're saying does make sense. I will probably need to avoid too much detail, though, because I am pretty sure Kiyoshi could cook significantly better than I can....
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Noodles in the soup Mike.
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Noodles are often a staple ingredient in chicken soup, yeah. It gets mixed in with your chicken, chicken stock, and whatever spices/veggies/etc you throw in there. It's not a requirement per say, but it's a pretty common ingredient.
And yeah, you don't have to describe it in too much detail, this is more to help you with what ingredients he'd be grabbing, any scents your choose to describe, etc.
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I have to admit, looking at that sounds like you guys are going into far too much detail about the minutiae of the cooking.
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Well, I just need to describe what ingredients he might be getting out. Although I don't think it'll be just yet.
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Actually noodles are only in chicken noodle soup, chicken soup is made with just chicken
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Certainly in this country chicken soup doesn't have noodles. Japan is quite possibly different, though....
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No, chicken soup, when named as such is just chicken. If it's called chicken noodle soup it has noodles, it's pretty universal, some restaurants are off though
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Chicken Noodle is basically identical tastewise aside from it having noodles, so really this is just arguing over nothing.
Get to posting Mike.
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I have to admit, looking at that sounds like you guys are going into far too much detail about the minutiae of the cooking.
I never get to show off what limited cooking knowledge I have, so admittedly I was taking advantage of the situation to show it off. :<
But yeah, the specific details aren't a biggie, really. If it gets to be a bother, all you have to do is say he cooked it, it smells yummy, he poured it into a bowl, there ya go. :3
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Lol, indeed.
Well, before I can describe much I need more idea of the layout of the kitchen, but I have Taiga to distract Kiyoshi for the moment....
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The kitchen's pretty big. The appliances are all along the premier, as is the sink and counter space. Plus there is an island in the center as well. Lots of stainless steel and practically barely used appliances.
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Hey. Blame Nachos for that one.
Let me tell you about bitches and whores, man.
The bitches at the office who made me deliver newsletters to about 2000 while I was sick, and then the whores of the weather, snow and freezing rain, as they made my next three days after that hell, while I was recovering. Then I got whisked away from my home and town to chill with my not-bitch and not-whore sister, and that was good but it took up my computer time. Christmas party happened, came back yesterday. Today I had shoveling, and then me and my bro went to go play some draft MtG, which was cool.
And that's where I've been.
And the whole time I've been considering the last Lawrence post and thinking of where to aim as a female about to get shacked with a man, and I HAVE DECIDED.
I'm going for the coat, dude. Lawrence might have to help me with that.
Unless wait, has he taken it off already?
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...No, not yet. He's still got it on.
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Aight cool.
I'm making this happen.
EDIT: waitwaitwaitwait
How good a kisser is Lawrence?
This is important
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He's not THE BEST EVER but he's no slouch.
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The kitchen's pretty big. The appliances are all along the premier, as is the sink and counter space. Plus there is an island in the center as well. Lots of stainless steel and practically barely used appliances.
The premier?
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Alright, let me think up other relevant questions before I jump into this...
uh...
...actually, that's about it, barring really weird dick questions.
(http://i.imgur.com/BXIYu2y.png)
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Alice... don't tell me you're going for the legendary foursome.
You can't do it. The strain will be too much for you! None have managed such a legendary feat since the glory days! You'll perish in your attempt to achieve a new dimension of roleplay smut!
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I... I must do it. For the glory! For the fame! For the- *starts coughing up blood*
(We'll see what happens. :3 I wouldn't be surprised if Lancer tried to drag her away from there though. ...unless... oh dear god. If we aren't careful, it could be an orgy in there soon enough. D:)
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The premier?
The perimeter.
Ryoko is a voyeur.
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Oh god I feel I fucked that one up somehow oh god why did I phone post that bit oh god.
Save me Elf!
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Be a man, rip those bandages off!
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Yes Elf, I was planning to but I needed to make sure names could respond.
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While it's kinda touch and go, some things you can jump ahead on. :) ...It takes some practice though. I actually messed up once myself on that front. ...Because I made an assumption about how men work at that. ^_^" Still, it'll come eventually (har har).
Ryoko is a voyeur.
That she is. :3 ...And for her trouble she's a bit shaken. Tom can be damn scary sometimes. ^_^"
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So I was wondering about exactly who should answer Valda's query and write a post for a baffled and intimidated NPC she approached.
Elf, how about dropping some info on Nexus City? Do we have a Mayor who hates his job and is just hopelessly waiting for his retirement age, faced with all the barely controllable supernaturals in town? 8D
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Yes Elf, I was planning to but I needed to make sure names could respond.
I am a-ok with ripping bandages. Let me just respond so Lawrence can make a Lust-fueled rip.
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And done.
It's the season for smut apparently.
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Hmm, so have Ryoko and friends just stood there in the kitchen and started getting drunk whilst Kiyoshi is, presumably, cooking...?
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Yep!
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If Aiden wants to respond real quick to Elf's last post I'll let you go ahead with that but after it I'll be bringing in all my stuff.
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If Aiden wants to respond real quick to Elf's last post I'll let you go ahead with that but after it I'll be bringing in all my stuff.
Nope, Marius is still in torpor right now until the earth landslide has finished; I'm waiting for you to tell us how the monsters respond to a large portion of their ranks being flattened by a sudden vertical landslide from nowhere.
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I just realized who or rather what Thomas Hale is and now I feel dumb for not piecing it together earlier.
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So I was wondering about exactly who should answer Valda's query and write a post for a baffled and intimidated NPC she approached.
Elf, how about dropping some info on Nexus City? Do we have a Mayor who hates his job and is just hopelessly waiting for his retirement age, faced with all the barely controllable supernaturals in town? 8D
Okay, info about Nexus City!
I was going to want to do this as a surprise, but . . .
I told Aiden most of this last night.
Anyway, a lot of the vampiric activity is run by ]Deacon Frost. He's one of those super ambitious types that wants to raise humans as cattle and have vampires rule the planet. He's also snarky, the epitome of heroin chiq, and insanely crafty. He does not like Forest, but he hasn't met her yet either.
The largest business in the city is Golden Rule. It's run by a mysterious man known as Gil King. Golden Rule is the largest employer in Nexus, and it's actually a very good place to work. Gil is rumored to be a recluse and no one has really seen him. Yet.
Hmm, so have Ryoko and friends just stood there in the kitchen and started getting drunk whilst Kiyoshi is, presumably, cooking...?
Indeed, because they're irresponsible around kids that way. Now I'm mad because I missed the chance to have Lancer offer Kiyoshi a drink.
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Right, but that doesn't answer questions like "What State of the US is this in?" or "does this thing have a mayor?" though I suspect the answer to the State thing is 'we've been trying to figure that out, but it's not really clear to us either.'
Even though oh my God, I'm looking forward to fucking with Deacon Frost so much.
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Right, but that doesn't answer questions like "What State of the US is this in?" or "does this thing have a mayor?" though I suspect the answer to the State thing is 'we've been trying to figure that out, but it's not really clear to us either.'
Even though oh my God, I'm looking forward to fucking with Deacon Frost so much.
The city is the bastard child of New York and Chicago honestly. It's not really a set "state". There is a mayor tough, but he spends most of his time eating blood pressure pills and washing them down with vodka.
Also Mike, Kiyoshi is about to get a crash course of the Birds and the Bees from Big Bro Lancer.
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Right, but that doesn't answer questions like "What State of the US is this in?" or "does this thing have a mayor?" though I suspect the answer to the State thing is 'we've been trying to figure that out, but it's not really clear to us either.'
Yeah, I think asking "which state is this in" is likely to get a similar response to asking which state Springfield or Gotham City are in....
Honestly, I don't think it's even in the US at all. It's just some interdimensional city that exists independent of any outside world.
Hmm, so have Ryoko and friends just stood there in the kitchen and started getting drunk whilst Kiyoshi is, presumably, cooking...?
Indeed, because they're irresponsible around kids that way. Now I'm mad because I missed the chance to have Lancer offer Kiyoshi a drink.
Lol, yeah, I noticed that....
I was a bit surprised Ryoko just ignored him but, then, I guess she was rather pre-occupied at the time....
Also Mike, Kiyoshi is about to get a crash course of the Birds and the Bees from Big Bro Lancer.
Lol, I see.
I'm going to have to work out how much of it he already knows. His parents do have regular sex, after all, and I'm sure he'd have picked something up from that, even if it's only "why does Mummy scream in the bedroom sometimes?" or "what are those weird burn-like marks on her hands?"
I'd imagine that trying to hide the sort of things that Shirou and Sakura get up to from a kid of Kiyoshi's age would be interesting....
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Right, but that doesn't answer questions like "What State of the US is this in?" or "does this thing have a mayor?" though I suspect the answer to the State thing is 'we've been trying to figure that out, but it's not really clear to us either.'
Even though oh my God, I'm looking forward to fucking with Deacon Frost so much.
The city is the bastard child of New York and Chicago honestly. It's not really a set "state". There is a mayor tough, but he spends most of his time eating blood pressure pills and washing them down with vodka.
Thanks for the info, mein beneficent forum Fuhrer. :)
I feel for this mayor, I really do.
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It probably doesn't help that he's one of the few people who's seen Gil King in the flesh. Or has Deacon Frost trolling him. Oh, yeah, and there's a mother fucking Hulk as a crime lord.
Forest is wondering why he hasn't just ate a bullet yet.
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Hey, does this place have any 'abandoned' subway tunnels and stations?
Don't tell me what's actually lurking there, I just want to know if they're there to explore/exploit.
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Finally got a chance to post
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Hey, does this place have any 'abandoned' subway tunnels and stations?
Of course they do. Its an Urban Fantasy setting with vampires. There has to be abandoned subway tunnels and stations.
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Hey, does this place have any 'abandoned' subway tunnels and stations?
Of course they do. Its an Urban Fantasy setting with vampires. There has to be abandoned subway tunnels and stations.
I'm glad we're on the same page here.
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Hmm... am I going too over the top with Tom freaking out here? I figure he'd be pretty freaked out by what happened, but I want to make sure it's not too over the top to the point it's too angsty/unrealistic. ...I want to avoid writing Edward Cullen here. ^_^"
Also yay, Nachos is OK! :D
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Nachos LIVES!
As to what lurks in those tunnels Aiden, well . . . there is stuff there. Yeah, there are tunnels and the like though.
Alice, if he was being Edward Cullen he would have already determined the best thing Forest needed and ran away like a bitch. :)
Also, meet Lady Umbra- I posted Gabriel's mom's sheet.
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OK, could the guys in the kitchen wait a bit so I can actually make a post. It's getting rather grating to have Kiyoshi stand around like a lemon whilst everyone else talks....
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So were Mord and Kaiza gonna post anything? We are kinda leaving their characters behind in the dust, and sorry for my late reply I've been prepping for the fanfic contest.
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I say at this point, go on without them sadly.
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Sorry; I've been offline for quite a bit, and I kinda got lost on the RP. ^^;
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Sorry; I've been offline for quite a bit, and I kinda got lost on the RP. ^^;
Gabriel fucked up one of the magic circles. Downy put some huge Godzilla made out of dead parts to watch over the one that your Robot Girl's at. If something attacks the circle, the dead parts guy is suppose to attack.
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Oh, and a big damn portal opened and dropped a ton of earth to crush a bunch of the summoned monsters from out of nowhere. Still waiting on Milbunk's response to that, since they're his NPCs.
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Is Tom working from the anime or the game Alice?
downy made a legion? Awesome
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Given his reference to his predecessor isolating himself in a cave and going mad for fighting only, I'm going to go ahead and guess "the game".
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Arch, I think the best/worst possible thing Jack can do in his situation is to just look at Kiyoshi and say: "No."
Because I wanna see where Mike's going with this.
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Well, if he looks like he's going to harm Rin then Kiyoshi will attack him. If not then he's unlikely to do much, and it will likely be up to Rin to make the next move.
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I don't think Forest will appreciate her kitchen getting blown up by Rin's gems at this point. Or butchered by shadow blades.
Maybe she'll be feeling magnanimous after the threesome though.
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Jack just made a good point here -
Kiyoshi shouldn't think of this Rin as family, or "Sakura" or "Taiga."
They're not from his universe. They should be subtly wrong. Scars in the wrong places, expressions and actions and body language that he shouldn't recognize, especially with Rin, as he KNOWS HER. She isn't acting, speaking, or even communicating like his Rin.
Think the invasion of the pod people, that's how Kiyoshi should be feeling about her.
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Poor Archer would be forced to repair the kitchen again.
Sadness.
Hey Magos, why do you think Lancer's not acknowledging Connor as his son? He killed his son.
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Well Magos, I'm guessing they have enough in common that a kid can accept them as the same person, and Rin, as a user of the Second Magic, is probably used to this kind of stuff well enough to also accept him as family.
Besides, you heard the kid when he was pouring his heart out earlier. He's lonely. So even if they're not his family, all these alternates of people he knows are the only kind of family that he knows in Nexus City.
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Your vampire is a sociopath as best as I can figure Arch, even if your argument held water (and it really doesn't) they'd still unite against your character because he's threatening them.
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He isn't a sociopath actually. He's not that far gone as a vampire yet. Jack is in a rather precarious point in his requiem. He's either going to fall hard or stabilize, and I'm not entirely sure which yet.
And my argument does hold water. Look up basic fucking human behavioral shit.
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Neither magi in general nor Shirou's kids could ever be considered normal Arch, so basic human anything would rarely apply.
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OK, finally in here to look at stuff, got too preoccupied to answer things.
For Tom, the answer is likely closer to the games, probably with a touch of hybrid in there. I basically took the route the various adaptations did and made a silghtly AU-ish thing that's still (hopefully) true enough to canon while taking it's own spin on things.
YOLF was definitely right with the reference he picked up there, though. :3 Tom's predecessor was a direct reference to the the Mewtwo created on Cinnabar Island that's been frequenting caves since Red/Green/Blue. I decided to stay true to the games on that front at least. But yup, hopefully that explains it enough for now.
...Speaking of which, I probably need to update Tom's sheet now that the secret's out. ^_^"
And yeah, Archer's going to be more than a bit annoyed if he has to fix the kitchen again, so they'd better cool their jets in there. ...Especially since Hakuno's sleeping against his shoulder at this point. I'm assuming Ruu is just chilling in there watching TV still (Daiki come back to us ;_;).
And as for Kiyoshi's reactions to all the AU people... Admittedly I find it a bit odd too. Ryoko was pretty friendly to him, sure, but Cool Big Sis is one of her schticks. Plus he may actually exist in her world, I'm not actually for sure yet. Plus her circumstances are a bit different, but I'm still working out how that'll work, so that's not important for now.
...Regardless though, poor Lancer, he's going to have to help sort out yet another mess. Plus he's not going to want the kitchen destroyed either, since not is it only his Landlady's kitchen, but the tea he's brewing for Mille to make her feel better is also in there. So with that, combined with everything else he's had to smooth over at this point, I suspect he's getting more than a bit grouchy with it at this point.
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Do you really want to try to get into a battle of wills with Jack? Do you really want him to let the beast take over to resist this urge?
Because he'll do it. His willpower is strong enough that he'll ride the wave on that thing and tear apart whoever tried to put shackles onto him.
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Jack ain't at servant level Arch.
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Jack ain't at servant level Arch.
No, but this isn't something I'm letting you do without a fight.
Going berserk is a reaction that can without a doubt shake this control.
Or he could give into the Red Surrender and let the beast take some things over for him.
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Your resistance isn't high enough, that's the way it goes. It's a fairly benign command too.
you want to flip your kill switch then fine dude. I don't see the point but he's your character.
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Your resistance isn't high enough, that's the way it goes. It's a fairly benign command too.
you want to flip your kill switch then fine dude. I don't see the point but he's your character.
He's got the willpower to resist. He's got that stat maxed out and with his blood potency, C+ MR really only applies to physical magic effects, most of which he can just shrug off by being that damn fucking tough.
Mentally, he's more than able to ignore a command like that. He's even got a merit that applies to that for crying out loud.
Of course, he could just flip out and Ride the Wave, but that's all up to whether or not you're enough of a prick to keep forcing the issue when satistically he could just ignore this.
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Given that you do nothing but try to murder my characters your outrage is hypocritically at best when I'm using a power I have just to make your character leave.
secondly I call bs about you ignoring her power arch, EX is off the scale, you can't simply ignore it even if you could resist it, which again servants are hard pressed to resist so jack should not be able to.
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...I think that's a bit overpowered, honestly. Especially since it basically forces our characters to do as you wish them to do unless they have some sort of supernaturally strong innate resistance to it (Tom might be able to shake it off for instance. When it takes a psychic of that power level to shake that off though, something's wrong).
Honestly, this might be another situation where we need a GM ruling. Let's just see what Elf has to say about this. Especially since Lancer's going to want to try and stop the kitchen from being wrecked yet again.
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Waaaaaaaait a minute.
Hold up. This shit is big.
.....is Tom a Pokemon?
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Waaaaaaaait a minute.
Hold up. This shit is big.
.....is Tom a Pokemon?
Well, yeah.
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...I did that good of a job at hiding it? O_O Yay, I can do subtlety! :D
He's mewtwo in human form, basically. A very pretty, very attractive, glasses moe sporting human form. For all intents and purposes right now, though, he's human right down to his genetics with a few odd supernatural quirks.
The transformation between his two forms is kinda like Jack's Protean in a way, only Tom has only two transformations, his human form and his "true" form. He can also stay in either form indefinitely.
He can change back at forth at will, but pretty much the human one is the default for the moment, since it keeps the scientists away. It's also his only form for any and all smut related activities. Because otherwise, ew. It's also his weaker form. ...Be afraid.
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I'm sorry, but I just won't be able to take him seriously for a while. Nothing against your writing, as it's been excellent so far, but...
A fucking pokemon. This is almost as hard to swallow as that one MLP/FSN fic.
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...M-my writing's been good? Yaaaaay, I'm really happy to hear that! :D
And... yeeeaaah, I can't say I blame ya, honestly. ^_^" Honestly, I wouldn't do something that silly normally, but there were a lot of concepts in there that I liked, so... it just sort of happened. Especially since I normally wouldn't touch the Pokemon franchise at all for something like this.
But yeah, I was honestly blushing the whole time I was pitching the initial idea to Elf over Skype. I kid you not. I think we both had our initial doubts about it (yes, even me, and it was my idea), but it's worked surprisingly well I think. Hopefully my writing keeps being good enough to take the edge off of that some.
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Also, Lantz - Jack isn't his actual name. Its just a nickname. So that power is not at full power, and then there's jack's fantastic mental resistance.
I'd say he'd be able to shrug it off.
EDIT: Oh, and "Rin" still hasn't answered his question regarding her father in law. What the fuck was that about?
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....Bllaaaahhh, and now all my initial embarrassment is rushing back in a tidal wave.
You guys still think it'll be OK?
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....Bllaaaahhh, and now all my initial embarrassment is rushing back in a tidal wave.
You guys still think it'll be OK?
You've done great so far!
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Hey, at least Tom ain't from a kinky fetish porn game for dudes who like their girls with scales and cat ears. Compared to Luka, pretty much anything's tame. Besides, it isn't how silly your character sounds on paper, but how you write them, and so far you've been doing a good job.
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Awwwwww. :) Thank you very much, guys. :D
...If there's one thing I've come to understand about myself in recent years, it's that I'm the master of two specific mediums. One may very well be moe. The other is excessive worrying. You can probably make a pretty good guess which one tends to pop up more often for me.
As for Luka, from what I've seen, you've been doing a fine job with him, so I guess this all goes to show the power of how good execution of a concept can be its saving grace. Even the silliest of concepts can become excellent if carried out really well. :)
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I feel bad for Finn. :(
Dude had finally raised a flag and then... Oh well.
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Jack just made a good point here -
Kiyoshi shouldn't think of this Rin as family, or "Sakura" or "Taiga."
They're not from his universe. They should be subtly wrong. Scars in the wrong places, expressions and actions and body language that he shouldn't recognize, especially with Rin, as he KNOWS HER. She isn't acting, speaking, or even communicating like his Rin.
Think the invasion of the pod people, that's how Kiyoshi should be feeling about her.
That's not how Kiyoshi sees it, though. He is aware of the existence of alternate dimensions, and he's also aware that being seperated from someone for most of your life doesn't prevent them being family (as with Rin and Sakura prior to HF). As far as he's concerned as long as they don't act completely different or treat him like shit they're family.
Also, did you guys not get the bit where I asked you not to keep running off ahead of me and not letting me have a chance to respond to things? It's starting to get really fucking annoying now, because I never get to damn well react to stuff because you guys do three posts whilst I'm in bed....
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And then Bloble made something insane. Oh this should be fun.
... and I see this place exploded yet again while I slept. Joy.
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Her power is what causes her blindness and confinement in a wheelchair Alice. It's a fair trade considering. It's her only ability, it was already shown to have a flaw. It's her way of protecting herself and frankly letting Arch's vampire just shrug is off is bullshit.
I'm sick of these murder attempts he makes on my characters and I have been trying to avoid his characters as a result but he still won't take the hint and leave them alone. If I'm going to be forced to constantly defect attempts on the lives of my characters then the game becomes pointless.
I'm using her power to end the situation simple as that, it's a fair power Alice, as it says in the profile she rarely uses her magic.
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You still haven't answered the question Lantz - how the hell does Rin's father in law know Jack?
And again, Jack isn't his real name. So the eyes shouldn't be at full power anyway.
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Oh and Daiki.
What he fuck just happened?
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Was it stated in her profile that that's a clause of the power?
Given his effective magic resistence with his willpower, I'd say that Jack most likely gets to resist somewhat, but given it's supposedly an EX class ability.... ehhhh, dunno. In WoD it'd probably the sort of thing that you have to spend Willpower just to make a resistance roll, but in this case it's more ambiguous.
I'd compare it to one of the stronger Servant resisting a Command Spell, maybe. It seems like that sort of situation.
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No, but Lantz stated it here. Because he is shit at making profiles.
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Name gives a target and yes the false name counts. Line of sight gives the power boost as shown earlier in the RP. Kiritsugu was describing vampires, not yours specifically arch.
now seriously stop trying to weasel out of being made to leave, it's benign and he can come back later arch. He isn't in danger unlike your attempts to murder my characters so you're really just arguing for the sake of doing so.
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The thing is that this is pretty much an excuse for you to do whatever the fuck you want without penalty. The eyes are basically just something for you to use and make the RP go the way you want.
In short, bullshit.
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Joseph Joestar has been approved!
I'd say Jack would be able to resist. I mean, Taiga's Commands do seem a bit over powered. It seems like she could just order everyone around if she wanted to.
Unless someone had really high mental resistance like Forest or Tom.
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Was it stated in her profile that that's a clause of the power?
Nope, last time she used it it applied to everyone. I think the name is meant to imply that only that person should be affected, and that should mean that it would work as long as they understood that it was them being addressed.
I'd compare it to one of the stronger Servant resisting a Command Spell, maybe. It seems like that sort of situation.
Yeah, I think that is a reasonable comparison.
The thing is that this is pretty much an excuse for you to do whatever the fuck you want without penalty. The eyes are basically just something for you to use and make the RP go the way you want.
In short, bullshit.
There are ways around it, though. For example, don't let her look at you. She's in a wheelchair....
I agree it is quite powerful, but I suspect that the power is reduced because whenever someone seriously contests what she's saying they'll just bullshit some excuse not to be affected by it. It also can't force you to do anything strongly against your principles.
Oh, BTW, Arch, does your vampire speak Japanese? Because Kiyoshi sure as hell doesn't speak English fluently, and he certainly wouldn't be speaking it with Rin or anyone else in his family....
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I find it hilarious that you're started worrying now about what language everyone is talking.
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I find it hilarious that you're started worrying now about what language everyone is talking.
Well, I only just thought of it. It's easy to forget when we're all writing in English.
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Fuck the language thing, seriously. If we were following the rules, half the characters wouldn't be able to understand each other. Luka, Tom, and Bonesington would be speaking god knows what seeing as they come from completely different worlds, and that's not fun for anyone.
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Fuck the language thing, seriously. If we were following the rules, half the characters wouldn't be able to understand each other. Luka, Tom, and Bonesington would be speaking god knows what seeing as they come from completely different worlds, and that's not fun for anyone.
But Sir Bonesington has an excuse! He's been in the modern world before! 8D
Also, translation spells I guess, but that's not nearly as fun of an excuse.
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Oh hey, I figured out how to direct quote multiple posts with ease.
Fuck the language thing, seriously. If we were following the rules, half the characters wouldn't be able to understand each other. Luka, Tom, and Bonesington would be speaking god knows what seeing as they come from completely different worlds, and that's not fun for anyone.
I find it hilarious that you're started worrying now about what language everyone is talking.
There's an 'Insert Quote' button in the Topic Summary when you're making a reply to a topic.
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Fuck the language thing, seriously. If we were following the rules, half the characters wouldn't be able to understand each other. Luka, Tom, and Bonesington would be speaking god knows what seeing as they come from completely different worlds, and that's not fun for anyone.
Yeah, lol, I guess.
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Why do you think I had Wynn have a translation charm on her?
She sure as hell doesn't speak "heathen" languages such as Japanese. She's not multilingual like Forest, Angel, and Gabriel are. Wynn can speak several languages, but half of those she speaks are pretty much dead except in certain parts of Ireland.
D. Archer is fluent in English and can make by in Mandarin Chinese and Korean.
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Everyone knows the common language of every fantasy setting is [insert audience language here].
Meaning Luka has always been speaking English-by-another-name. Unless we were all fluent in Japanese and then he'd be speaking Japanese by default instead.
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This is a bit of bypass but people born on Avatar are able to understand other languages so long as they have at least a little magic flowing inside of them. (It's actually an interesting plot point that prevents people from avatar bring able to watch Earth TV as it only works with people.)
Also here's what Downy just did to the monsters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECNZtbsOBnw&list=PLNVKJAlh0-O8L1obP7SEMBqw26TvDFkG7#t=510 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECNZtbsOBnw&list=PLNVKJAlh0-O8L1obP7SEMBqw26TvDFkG7#t=510)
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He can't understand anyone right now, but once he's gotten out of his hunger frenzy Marius can speak Latin, Koine Greek, Aramaic and Celtic. He knows a few swear words in other languages from having them directed at him.
Valda speaks German, English, French, and a little Spanish. She also speaks an eldritch primordial tongue that predates human existence and is fundamental to the source code of the universe, which is a lot less useful than she would like right now.
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I'll let Elf get a post in before I respond, unless she doesn't want to?
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I feel bad for Finn. :(
Dude had finally raised a flag and then... Oh well.
Yay, Daiki's back! :D
And yeah, poor Finn. :( His luck might turn around later though. :)
And Vanessa is a werewolf now, huh? O_O Did Isa turn and bite her? Or is Isa the werewolf and she took Ruu and Nessa with her?
And as for languages... both Rin and Archer are probably bilingual in Japanese and English, Hakuno speaks Japanese, Finn and Mille speak English, though it's possible Finn picked up bits from other languages as well, and Tom can pretty much pick up whatever language anyone is speaking via his telepathy, though he knows English, Japanese, and some French on his own.
Probably not worth worrying too much about, though. Especially since it'd be a lot to keep track of really.
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Oh and Daiki.
What he fuck just happened?
Vanessa wanted (max compulsive need level) to hug Ruu.
They run at full speed, Ruu jumps in the room, she jumps too and catches him(body tackle would be more appropriate), momentum too high, they fly through a window, land outside.
Don't pay attention.
And Vanessa is a werewolf now, huh? O_O Did Isa turn and bite her? Or is Isa the werewolf and she took Ruu and Nessa with her?
Haha, no. But that's my bad for not being clear about it.
That was Ruu's depiction of it(with lots of imagination of his). She's creepy like that when she wants something. For Ruu it's rather traumatic. It's night, and something/someone looks at him with bloodshot eyes. Plus she had bed hair, with most of it hiding her face. He sensed something ominous about it and ran away. Her destroying the floor is probably just reinforcement of some sort...
tldr; That was just a girl running after a child, only, both were a bit too much into it.
Vanessa would probably kidnap him or Kiyoshi, if given the chance. Be careful.
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Luka speaks. That's about the best I can say for him.
I'll be bullshitting it as one of the spirits translating for him passively with a spell or something like that, since there's literally only one language in his world and it's probably gibberish to anyone outside of it.
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Luka speaks. That's about the best I can say for him.
I'll be bullshitting it as one of the spirits translating for him passively with a spell or something like that, since there's literally only one language in his world and it's probably gibberish to anyone outside of it.
Whichever one dealt with air, probably.
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Sir Bonesington speaks Common, Thalassian, Dwarvish, Nerubian, Orcish, Zandali, Gnomish, and Goblin.
Thing is, when he was in the modern world he only ever spoke Common and assumed everyone else did too. Little did he know he was speaking English. So the language of the elves is logically French.
He probably has some universal translation spell too.
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Henderson is fluent in about every language.
No excuse for Jack though, probably should be thinking Kiyoshi, Rin and "Taiga" are speaking gibberish.
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Haha, no. But that's my bad for not being clear about it.
That was Ruu's depiction of it(with lots of imagination of his). She's creepy like that when she wants something. For Ruu it's rather traumatic. It's night, and something/someone looks at him with bloodshot eyes. Plus she had bed hair, with most of it hiding her face. He sensed something ominous about it and ran away. Her destroying the floor is probably just reinforcement of some sort...
tldr; That was just a girl running after a child, only, both were a bit too much into it.
Vanessa would probably kidnap him or Kiyoshi, if given the chance. Be careful.
Ahhh, ok, gotcha. ...Poor Ruu. ^_^" The scary wolf girl wants to take him home with her.
And as for Jack, eh, don't worry too much about it. I did the same thing with Hakuno really, since technically she should only be able to understand Japanese, and with Mille, who should really only understand English and some Irish.
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Vanessa would probably kidnap him or Kiyoshi, if given the chance. Be careful.
Honestly, if anyone needs to be careful it's her. If she kidnaps Kiyoshi she's got a mythological monster and a very pissed-off mother after her....
No excuse for Jack though, probably should be thinking Kiyoshi, Rin and "Taiga" are speaking gibberish.
Yeah....
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Waiting on you Arch
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Posted, waiting on elf and mike, let's finish this quickly.
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Legally, this is Forest's property. lantz's characters are guests just as much as Jack is, and he knows it. They can't technically force him out without breaking the law. Just so you know.
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Bloble why would I care? his vampire is a monster
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Legally, this is Forest's property. lantz's characters are guests just as much as Jack is, and he knows it. They can't technically force him out without breaking the law. Just so you know.
Right, and what part of "Chaotic" makes you think any of us would give a flying fuck about legality...?
The cops aren't around, either, so the law is frankly irrelevant right now.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xkxfbvy3sLA/UeOAzR2xGDI/AAAAAAACGYo/C8AoytCYT4A/s1600/axe3.jpg)
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Axe Cop will find out somehow, man. He just will. *insert witty bewaaaarrreee thing here*
Besides, like Bloble said, it's Forest's place, not theirs, come on. Lawful or not, they owe her at least that much respect. It's not so much of a law thing as it is a common decency thing. "Monster" or not (which I don't think Jack is really being in this case, but eh), they at least should show Forest the respect of keeping her kitchen intact.
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If someone tries to murder your daughter and is in the process of threatening you, you're probably too worried about being killed by them to care about wrecking the kitchen....
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He wasn't going to kill her for sure- he would have bit and drank from her probably, but there was no guarantee he would have hurt her. More than likely, she would have just had the same thing that happened to Forest happen to her. Not for sure, but I think that's about right.
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Given the state she was in I find it hard to see her not ending up dead. Forest is a vampire, she's a lot stronger.
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Right, and if Connor hadn't threatened him with a bedpost and screamed he wouldn't have likely even gone into a hunger frenzy, or even have drank from her. After all, Conner was closer and stupid enough to get into grabbing distance.
And he never even did try, he restrained himself from doing so. So there's no reason for Rin to even be hostile towards him or insult him - and she wasn't invited in.
And Mike. Just because you don't care about the rules doesn't mean they aren't enforced.
Also the Kiss is one hell of a drug, very potent and orgasm inducing in some cases. Forest was perfectly fine afterwords.
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Connor threatened him because he thought he was dangerous, and I don't blame him for that. Nor do I blame Rin for being angry at the guy who tried to attack her daughter whilst she was sleeping helplessly.
And, who the hell is going to enforce the rules here? There are no cops around.
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Mike, he never tried to do so.
Except their are.
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Except their are.
Where?
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Arch, even for me, making Axe Cop show up all of a sudden would be a bit much. I had to establish probable cause and spend a few posts chasing Lawrence around before arriving at Forest's place the first time around. The only way to get him there right now would be if someone called the number he left with Lancer. (It was Lancer, right? I'm pretty sure he left them his number though.)
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Frankly, if Arch is going to start randomly pulling police out of his ass whenever he has to deal with anyone who isn't Lawful then I am going to keep the hell away from his characters, because that's just petty and ridiculous.
Plus, if you want to start getting into legality, what Jack did to Forest is most definitely sexual assault, and common assault too. Plus Rin could at very least get him arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, even if there would probably not be enough evidence to prove it.
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I think he just meant that there were cops around in general, not that they'd be able to pop up to intervene with this situation or that he could summon them at will. I think what happened was that he read Mike's statement that there were no cops around as a general statement and responded in kind. ...I could be wrong though. ^_^" But I think that's what he meant.
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Yeah, I know there are cops in the RP, but right now they're not here and there isn't an awful lot Jack can do about it if Rin does decide to force him to leave. Sure he could go complaining to the police, but are they really likely to take much notice? He doesn't even have any evidence....
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I have posted!
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I think everyone needs to listen to Lancer and goddamn freakin' calm down.
My god, I feel so bad for Forest having this explosive mixture of people at her place.
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This man has good words to say. Listen to them.
And at least she has a pretty boy toy now to help her feel better, that's gotta count for something, right? :3
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I think everyone needs to listen to Lancer and goddamn freakin' calm down.
Well, the guy tried to attack Rin's daughter, I can understand why she'd be upset. And Kiyoshi is just generally hot-headed.
My god, I feel so bad for Forest having this explosive mixture of people at her place.
It's not that bad, it's just that a few people show up to make trouble....
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My god, I feel so bad for Forest having this explosive mixture of people at her place.
Not to mention she's also telepathic. She had to pointedly ignore Rin losing her virginity to D. Archer.
This man has good words to say. Listen to them.
Lancer is just tired of everyone's bitching. If you're going to fight, fight, but don't just grand stand about it.
And at least she has a pretty boy toy now to help her feel better, that's gotta count for something, right? :3
Indeed it does. Even though I wouldn't say "boy toy".
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Kiyoshi's fine, Mike. He's a snooty brat who thinks he knows best and craves attention, like most kids his age.
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Indeed it does. Even though I wouldn't say "boy toy".
That was more me having fun than anything. :3 ....Though probably the word choice was still pretty bad. ^_^" This is why I need to keep my caffeine stores up. But it looks like good ol' Tom's gonna be pretty handy to have around, in more ways than one, especially if stuff like this keeps happening.
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Rin's trusting Lancer here.
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Rin's trusting Lancer here.
Other than Forest, Lancer is probably the most trust worthy of my characters. He always keeps to his word.
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Kiyoshi's fine, Mike. He's a snooty brat who thinks he knows best and craves attention, like most kids his age.
Yeah, exactly.
Plus, whilst his parents are extremely loving and caring, Sakura is exceptionally soft. Even though she has a happy life now, her past still left scars on her. Her childhood was so controlled and abusive that she wants her own kids to have as much freedom as possible, and she finds it very difficult to discipline them without feeling like an abusive parent, except in an emergency or if they're about to put theirselves in real danger.
Plus, she was starved of affection and family as a child, so she wants to provide her children with as much of both as possible. Which means that Kiyoshi being left alone in this world is somewhat of a culture shock. He's used to having family around that will care for and pay attention to him.
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I think he just meant that there were cops around in general, not that they'd be able to pop up to intervene with this situation or that he could summon them at will. I think what happened was that he read Mike's statement that there were no cops around as a general statement and responded in kind. ...I could be wrong though. ^_^" But I think that's what he meant.
Right, this is what I meant.
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Ah, OK.
Well, yeah, I meant right now. There are no cops around, and exploding jewels and magical swords don't really leave much evidence....
Plus, I would imagine Rin has about 30 years of experience in clearing up crime scenes and the like to ensure that the police keep out of magical business. Plus, she has several witnesses who I would imagine would lie for her if necessary (Kiyoshi would to save his family). So, actually finding any real evidence of anything is going to be quite challenging.
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Actually, I think I'll have to compliment your writing of Kiyoshi, Mike. He really does behave like a child his age. Most people writing kids turn them into mini adults or have them be functionally retarded, but he really does seem like an eleven/ten year old kid. He's single minded, not understanding some adult stuff, but still logical and coherent in the way only kids can be.
So basically: Nice job.
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Thanks.
And, Magos, I think using "the mick" to refer to Connor when talking to Lancer is probably not the best way for Jack to get into his good books....
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And because of the topic of magical swords and exploding gems leaving no evidence I now have the mental image of Bonesington, Luka and Valda as Magical Crime Scene Investigators.
I hope you're all happy.
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And because of the topic of magical swords and exploding gems leaving no evidence I now have the mental image of Bonesington, Luka and Valda as Magical Crime Scene Investigators.
I hope you're all happy.
MCSI
I'd watch it.
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No Jethro no life, LOL
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Lol, indeed.
Well, I have to get to bed now, could the guys hanging around Kiyoshi please not have another long conversation whilst he's standing there listening? I'd like to actually be able to get involved in a discussion for once rather than being left completely out of it....
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And because of the topic of magical swords and exploding gems leaving no evidence I now have the mental image of Bonesington, Luka and Valda as Magical Crime Scene Investigators.
I hope you're all happy.
This is probably going to happen, knowing this RP.
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And because of the topic of magical swords and exploding gems leaving no evidence I now have the mental image of Bonesington, Luka and Valda as Magical Crime Scene Investigators.
I hope you're all happy.
I wouldn't be against this.
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CSI Las Vegas, peasants. =w=
Though NCIS is pretty cool too I guess.
And yeah, I wouldn't put it past us for it to actually happen.
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Lol, I wouldn't be surprised. Dealing with witnesses who do things like trying to rape one of the team and then turn into spiritual form and float through the walls of the prison to escape would be rather interesting, though....
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Did someone ask for a pretty/handsome ex-Nazi agent vampire? 8D
Borrowed Aiden's format and a lot of his explanations for Kindred abilities, because he explained them well.
Max is waiting approval!
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Damn that is one cool Nazi. Can Jojo be his rival?
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Max has been approved.
You know Gabriel hates Nazis right?
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Damn that is one cool Nazi. Can Jojo be his rival?
Oh god please no that sunlight punch will wreck him ;w;
Not that Max will be looking for fights, though I suppose that yes, they could just be friendly rivals of sorts.
Former Nazi, Elf! Max doesn't like that part of his history either.
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Oh god please no that sunlight punch will wreck him ;w;
Not that Max will be looking for fights, though I suppose that yes, they could just be friendly rivals of sorts.
Former Nazi, Elf! Max doesn't like that part of his history either.
Nah, he can use his mind-reading to dodge like in my chinese cartoons! Max is actually a really good counter to Jojo, since most of the guy's plans revolve around the opponent not being able to read his mind and figure it out.
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Nah, he can use his mind-reading to dodge like in my chinese cartoons! Max is actually a really good counter to Jojo, since most of the guy's plans revolve around the opponent not being able to read his mind and figure it out.
Sadly enough, Auspex doesn't exactly work like active mind reading. With the first application I described, Max could like... say, ask his Beast a general question like "Who here is the most dangerous to me?", and get an answer in vivid images of exactly how brutal and powerful that person is. He can do this pretty often and sometimes ask multiple questions per use, but using it in succession takes Vitae use.
With the second application he could ask much more specific things about the target, such as "What is one of this person's psychological vulnerabilities?", "Who does this person treasure most?", "Is this person being controlled?", "Who does this person want to hurt the most?".
Active telepathy - reading the person's thoughts in real time and influencing them - is a power of Auspex that's currently a bit beyond what Max can do.
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One day, after a few level ups for our good old Mekhet, we'll have that mind-reading duel thingy.
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Just get him hyped up on blood!
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One day, after a few level ups for our good old Mekhet, we'll have that mind-reading duel thingy.
That sounds alright to me!
And oh boy. Hyped up on blood, uh?
.... actually there is a pretty easy way for him to get stronger as a vampire. Which involves draining dry and soul-sucking the vampires of Deacon Frost's faction.
Given their stance, which he is likely to find out from snooping about, it's not an entirely unlikely course of action.
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Just don't go attempt to soul suck Angel.
Because that means there's Angelus to deal with. Mindfucks for everyone.
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Just don't go attempt to soul suck Angel.
Because that means there's Angelus to deal with. Mindfucks for everyone.
Will keep that in mind.
Though really, it's very unlikely Max will feel like diablerizing.
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Jack will murder the shit out of him if he does. Just saying.
Larvae are fair game though, no risk of soul loss.
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Jack's not the only Kindred to take the traditions seriously, fortunately.
And to do that he'd need to know first.
Though - wait a minute, are you saying that Diablerie only offends Jack if it's done to proper kindred? That's kinda... twisted. Max doesn't like it on principle.
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Neither does Jack, but Larvae... he had some bad bad bad experiences. They aren't kindred or close to it for him, they're zombies.
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One day, after a few level ups for our good old Mekhet, we'll have that mind-reading duel thingy.
That sounds alright to me!
And oh boy. Hyped up on blood, uh?
.... actually there is a pretty easy way for him to get stronger as a vampire. Which involves draining dry and soul-sucking the vampires of Deacon Frost's faction.
Given their stance, which he is likely to find out from snooping about, it's not an entirely unlikely course of action.
Hey, don't forget that eating regular people in enough quantities can speed the process up too.
Among other things. Adventure!
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I'm sure the city already smells bloody enough if you ask me, what with the large income of dead bodies lol.
Also I'll give mord and Kaiza till my next post tomorrow or the day after or else I'll uh 'incapacitate them'. (With Elf's permission of course.)
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Finally posted. I need to get up to date on this.
And man, my writing needs a lot of work; I've been out of it for almost a year.
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No comment on the body horror that is Jacks transformation Mike?
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You never really described it, so I had no idea what it looks like....
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I actually did in an earlier post.
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Ah, OK. Well, I never looked that far back....
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Basically, you know those weird shapeshifting effects from say, those animorph covers? Imagine that in high speed. With the sound of cracking bone and ripping flesh. Its not pretty to look at in any way.
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Well, I've edited it.
His reaction probably should be a bit stronger, but I can't really do anything that Lantz would reasonably want to react to, since he's already posted.
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Wow, "Rin" can't really snark or insult at all. That was a weak retort. Really weak.
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She wasn't trying to Arch.
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Even Rin when she isn't really trying can throw down in the big leagues.
Hell, even Lawrence could do better and he was high off his ass on Grail Taint. Like, straight up tripping on that shit.
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Grail Taint, shit so good that not even Walter White could replicate it.
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I still find it hilarious how Lawrence got high off of grail taint.
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I still find it hilarious how Lawrence got high off of grail taint.
It was one of the best moments in the RP so far.
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Guys, I might be posting slowly for the next few days. My computer's being sent off to repairs and I'll likely be without it for at least a week.
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Well that's sad to hear. Our magical castle adventure shall have to be postponed then.
Hope your computer gets fixed soon!
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I hope things get back to normal soon, Bloble!
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I'll probably be able to get on at least once a day, but no high-frequency machine-gun posts. Keep it going though. I'll find a way.
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1. A goddess, a hero, a lich and a crazy old man walk into a bakery...
2. ??
3. Profit!
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Guys, I might be posting slowly for the next few days. My computer's being sent off to repairs and I'll likely be without it for at least a week.
Dude, that sucks, sorry to hear about that.
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Bleh, that's never any fun- sorry to hear about that, Bloble. :( Hope your computer gets repaired soon! :)
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Sir Bonesington is freaking awesome, and somewhat of a troll.
May he be blessed by whatever higher power he believes in.
Once Alice replies, I'll have Lancer reply to Kiyoshi.
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I can say without any envy that Sir Bonesington is the best character in this RP.
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I can say without any envy that Sir Bonesington is the best character in this RP.
Him and Axe Cop.
Can't forget Axe Cop.
I mean, I sure as hell couldn't do an awesome gag character like that.
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I wish I could make awesome characters like that. Sir Bonesington is definitely the best character in the RP, though, bar none. :3
And Elf doesn't have to wait anymore, I posted, yay! :D
And I made a new sheet! I still need to update Tom's, but eh. Does it look OK? Basically, I'm trying a lot of new things (for me, anyway) with this one, so I really want to make sure that it's OK.
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Yeah, it looks fine. I'm a bit worried about the instant-Rider-killing grenades, though....
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Wow everyone, I'm flattered. No, really I am. Bonesington was just supposed to be a funny character with a hidden serious side.
It's a good thing you all like him though! <3
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You did a great job with him- be proud~ :3 And no problem at all. :)
Yeah, it looks fine. I'm a bit worried about the instant-Rider-killing grenades, though....
She doesn't really have that many on her right now, and they can be dodged, just like normal grenades. Plus she wouldn't have much reason to lob them at Rider anyway, and I guarantee you that most Bad Guys won't even be able to get close enough to her to take them from her.
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Yeah, I guess there is no reason for her to be fighting Rider, and Rider is quick enough that, once she knows what they are, she can dodge them easily enough. The problem is finding that out....
Also, your character is another one that my characters can do basically nothing about, due to her anti-magic equipment. Although I guess Shirou can just pick up a gun....
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Rei is only human still, though. Plus she wouldn't know about Servants being weak against anti-magic things, they don't exist in her world. That'd have to be explained to her first. Nor would Rei have any reason to attack any of your characters unless they tried to hurt someone she cared about, which is unlikely. So really, you have little reason to worry about Rei. Note that her alignment is Chaotic Good. Emphasis on the Good part.
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Rei is only human still, though. Plus she wouldn't know about Servants being weak against anti-magic things, they don't exist in her world. That'd have to be explained to her first.
Well, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to work out that a servant is magical in nature. Although, yeah, being human would give them a decent chance of beating her, using guns, reinforcement etc.
Nor would Rei have any reason to attack any of your characters unless they tried to hurt someone she cared about, which is unlikely. So really, you have little reason to worry about Rei. Note that her alignment is Chaotic Good. Emphasis on the Good part.
Yeah, definitely. My characters are mostly Good-aligned (Rider is the only exception to that, but she's not evil, and is held back by Sakura anyway) and most of them are also Chaotic.
Rider is the most likely one to come into conflict with her, since Rider does do somewhat dubious things at times. It would depend on the circumstances.
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Right, and quit complaining Mike. Gabriel can kill rider easily as well, and Raul, Inferno Cop, and etc etc...
Hell, Luka could oneshot Jack with enough fire magic (though with resiliance he will be able to take a decent amount of punishment even from fire), Lawrence while being durable as hell can still die, Henderson is a normal damn human, and Raul is tough on the outside, but once you get inside his defences and through them will go down. Not to mention a lack of cocaine will doom Doomrider.
God you're almost worse than Lantz about this.
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I'm not even sure anymore, are the events at Forest's place happening at night? They are, right, since Jack was around.
Keep trying to look for a chance to make Max's first post him being weirded out by another of the supernatural denizens of Nexus City.
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Yeah, it's currently night, for the people at Forest's at least. The exact time is not remotely clear, depending on which character you're talking to it could be anything from about 9 PM to 3 AM....
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Make his first encounter be with Jack, it'll be rather interesting and I kinda want to define the Kindred faction within Frost's movement more.
Also once again Lantz, blatantly OP. Seriously dude.
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Hmmm.... maaaaaaybe.
Just confirm something for me please Mike. Rider's making her way through the city on Pegasus... also during the nighttime, right?
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I'm not Mike, but I can confirm both of these things. :3 She's headed back to the group where it's presently definitely night time, after all. :)
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Not op Arch.
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Also the downtown should be a vampire and werewolf and whatever else feeding frenzy at the moment due to the slaughter - sorry Downy but your army is getting eaten along with the citizens.
And I'm betting we've also got at least one Draugr going embrace crazy here- zombie vampire lizardmen. God help us all.
And it's totally OP moron. A's in every physical statistic is pretty damn OP, though Suetoshit is still worse on that end.
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He's human arch. We've explained before that the stats are for the level that they are at. He's a black op agent, A makes sense.
and don't call me a moron
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No, it doesn't make sense for a black ops agent.
An A implies he is able to bench press at least on an Olympic level, run fast as an Olympic sprinter and is on an Olympic level gymnastic scale. A black ops agent needs none of these skills, and if you were actually not a moron you would know this. Black ops are deniable operations done by highly trained assets who while physically fit focus more on endurance, psychological training and technique.
In short such rankings are bullshit as your excuse is not applicable or intelligent. And I am well within my rights to call you a moron when you cannot type with proper grammar or follow the well established rules of canon or even basic fucking characterization in your writing. The phone typing excuse also does not apply as guess what, I just typed this all on my fucking phone as well.
If that still hasn't gotten through your head because long words seem to hurt your brain - you are wrong and also a moron.
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OK, cool it down in here guys. Tis 2014 now, no need to start it off with another fight.
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OK, cool it down in here guys. Tis 2014 now, no need to start it off with another fight.
On the contrary, the sound of a spinecrush is he perfect way to ring in the new year.
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On the contrary, the sound of a spinecrush is he perfect way to ring in the new year.
Careful, you're starting to sound like a Heretek by indirectly comparing yourself to the divine deliverer of spinecrushes Seika.
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Seika crushes spines? Never seen it.
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She isn't here right now so someone has to point out exactly how wrong Lantz is.
Seriously there is no excuse when I can type grammatically correct on a phone as well Lantz for you to not be able to do the same.
For that matter you seem unable to address any counterpoint to my argument or be able to refute it in any way.
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Spinecrusher Seika is a tired meme anyways.
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Arch, seriously. I do not care about your argument, or your opinion. You aren't an authority here in any sense. I'm doing nothing wrong.
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Correct, as a spine crush implies a single blow.
Seika does something more akin to the beatdown of that computer in Office space.
Arch, seriously. I do not care about your argument, or your opinion. You aren't an authority here in any sense. I'm doing nothing wrong.
While you might not the point still remains that your justification is both flimsy and blatantly wrong.
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Okay, let's be fair for the moment: who cares about the stats right now? There has been so much variety, different cases and worlds that they've technically become kinda irrelevant.
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At this point in time, I don't think it's worth revising them when it's pretty obvious they are all on different scales. We'll just all end up more confused trying to establish an universal standard.
I say leave them as they are for now and just argue about the character's characteristics when they actually become relevant to something.
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Okay, let's be fair for the moment: who cares about the stats right now? There has been so much variety, different cases and worlds that they've technically become kinda irrelevant.
Even on the scale Lantz defined them on, the characters stats are still very wrong and do not reflect where he should be on the scale.
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Even on the scale Lantz defined them on, the characters stats are still very wrong and do not reflect where he should be on the scale.
My point was, they're kinda irrelevant right now. Hell, when I discuss how Reina's anti-magic, I don't say "She's got EX magic resistance", I say "She nulls magic."
It's like YOLF said above.
I say leave them as they are for now and just argue about the character's characteristics when they actually become relevant to something.
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Just confirm something for me please Mike. Rider's making her way through the city on Pegasus... also during the nighttime, right?
Yep. She's heading back to Kiyoshi, so she's on whatever time he's on (even though she was with Satoshi several hours...).
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There's a time warp or something. I dunno.
Its RP.
Also, post! The reason why I wasn't on last night was due to New Years Celebration.
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Elf, character up, yay or nay?
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There's a time warp or something. I dunno.
Lol, yeah.
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Don't make this into HA. :V
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Time warp makes sense , the nexus isn't a regular city anyway
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It's Henderson's Yard Gnomes.
You know they're the real masterminds in the city.
Rei Blackwell has been approved.
James . . . Lantz, this guy is physically too perfect. Hell, Wynn is my most powerful character and she only has Cs with magical enhancement in her physical stats.
And his last name isn't capitalized. This is me being nitpicky, but it's a good thing to be nitpicky about though because its a proper noun. Do a little editing and he'll be approved.
(Also, for those not aware James' paper powers are from ROD.)
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Could you guys wait a bit for Kiyoshi, please. I waited for you....
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Fine I'll edit it, seems illogical given his opponents and what they've beat in the series itself though
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Edited and yes mike I'm waiting on you so hop to it
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Speak not the Gnomes,
Draw not the Gnomes,
Write not the Gnomes...
And yay! I can post no- ...oh dear, this one's going to be hard to write, in one chunk at least, specifically Rin's portion. I may have to do this one in parts again.
And yay, moe mad scientist is go~ Anything I need to improve on sheet-wise? I had more trouble than usual since she's from an original story idea I've been batting around for a month or two, and I'm still world building. ...Plus honestly it's hard to get the stats right anyway, since they're so malleable in this case. ^_^"
And lantz, just be patient, would you? Saying you're waiting on Mike is one thing, being a jerk about it like that is another.
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I'm saying it like that because I've told him I'd wait three times in the last two days, it comes off as rude because repeating the same statement is dull. It's not rude so much as a lack of politeness from having to repeat it.
in short I'm not being rude I'm just not being particularly thoughtful after repeating myself
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I'm saying it like that because I've told him I'd wait three times in the last two days, it comes off as rude because repeating the same statement is dull. It's not rude so much as a lack of politeness from having to repeat it.
in short I'm not being rude I'm just not being particularly thoughtful after repeating myself
It was a general statement, not aimed specifically at you....
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Thank you Lantz.
James "Scissors" Macaroy is approved.
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I'm saying it like that because I've told him I'd wait three times in the last two days, it comes off as rude because repeating the same statement is dull. It's not rude so much as a lack of politeness from having to repeat it.
in short I'm not being rude I'm just not being particularly thoughtful after repeating myself
You're still being a jerk, and your reasoning makes you even more of a jerk. Especially since your reasoning is wrong. It's still rude, lantz, I don't care if you think it's not, because, quite frankly, it is.
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Please just drop it, Alice. There's nothing malicious in what he said and it wasn't particularly bad, so I don't mind. Over-formality is for idiots anyway, especially when dealing with friends.
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Now I'm seeing Ryoko and Rin just fainting, like in "Back to the Future II".
Even though, technically, Ryoko wouldn't be from that dimension because she came back through time.
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If you say so... I do think he could be nicer about it, since you are friends, and I think friends should be treated with respect still, but if that's how you feel about it, I suppose there's little I can do about it.
Also, posted with Rin and Ryoko anyway. Awkward parent and child meeting is go!
...oh god, and now that Elf's said that, I'm kinda tempted to have them do just that. XD Should I edit that in real quick? :3
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...oh god, and now that Elf's said that, I'm kinda tempted to have them do just that. XD Should I edit that in real quick? :3
That would be up to you. :)
Plus there is Tom too.
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We've been through far worse day long arguments Alice and been perfectly fine. We're both like that and we shrug it off because we are friends.
although given Alice's post the moment is kinda ruined. Don't worry about the post now mike, I'm kinda stuck after that
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That would be up to you. :)
Plus there is Tom too.
Edited. :3 And both Tom and Rei, of course~ Rei needs to get her intro post in and get in on the monster killin' action with Angel and Gabriel, after all.
Hopefully Tom's post will be up soon. I'm mostly having trouble writing a sufficient follow up, even though I know the next logical step. ...Your Forest post was really damn good, in other words~ :3
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although given Alice's post the moment is kinda ruined. Don't worry about the post now mike, I'm kinda stuck after that
What are you talking about?
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I say go ahead and post Mike.
I mean there's plenty for Kiyoshi to catch up on.
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Yeah, that's why my post is taking me so long....
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Hmm, has Kiyoshi seen Dark Archer before? I can't remember.
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I think he would have at least seen him, around the time the "Sakura" Incident occurred. I don't remember if they spoke at all or not, but they definitely might have at least spotted each other.
And Tom post is done! :D I don't really think it lives up to Elf's post, but it works, hopefully. :)
Now to just get Rei's post done.
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...Double post.
lantz. lantz, that post... I'm sorry. I'm done. That whole thing is just... Dear god, does that thing t me off.
Elf. I know it's weird to ask when he's technically doing nothing wrong, but could you please do a GM ruling on that thing? Mother of christ...
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A GM ruling on what, exactly?
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I was trying to avoid saying it directly to attempt to be nice, but it's everything wrong with lantz's RPing in a neat tidy package. If you want me to expand on it more than that, fine, but it's giving me enough of a headache as it is that I'd rather not think about it than I already have...
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I was trying to avoid saying it directly to attempt to be nice, but it's everything wrong with lantz's RPing in a neat tidy package. If you want me to expand on it more than that, fine, but it's giving me enough of a headache as it is that I'd rather not think about it than I already have...
Basically this.
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I think that leaving two passed out women to pay would be weird.
lucky for forest Rin can replace that table
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The table isn't broken Lantz.
And the problem is you assume all the fucking time that this RP revolves around your characters and only your characters. Only your characters should be allowed to do things, and they should have storylines revolving entirely around how awesome they are, and they can never do any wrong.
That's the problem in a nutshell, though I'm betting Alice can expand even more on this.
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You don't know what I think arch. In short don't go claiming crap.
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On the contrary, I'm stating the facts. Your actions and activities in this RP have been nothing but disrespectful to the other players and expecting them to still lick your boots over it.
This is also the fifth or so fucking time that you've done this. I have to give Elf credit for tolerating your shit as much as she has so far, as I can tell you I would be nowhere near so lenient. You've ignored all her advice, and continued doing your self entitled shitty wank fest attempts. I will be surprised if she doesn't soon bring down the hammer on you.
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So Milbunk, mind having the Assassin engage Raul? I think a fight between the two would be rather interesting, as much a match of wills and wits as it is blades and explosions.
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Can you guys wait for me, please?
It's really irritating always having to respond to three posts from each person when I wake up. It means that Kiyoshi never gets noticed or responded to because you guys have already moved on. And it also means my post takes a lot longer to write, because writing a post spread over a long period is a lot more difficult, which means you guys have to wait longer again. It's not fair that I always get left out just because I am in a different timezone to you guys.
I waited for you to post yesterday, Elf, rather than going into a long discussion with Lantz. I would appreciate it if you and Magos would do the same for me.
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Man I don't even know where my last posts are.
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Can you guys wait for me, please?
It's really irritating always having to respond to three posts from each person when I wake up. It means that Kiyoshi never gets noticed or responded to because you guys have already moved on. And it also means my post takes a lot longer to write, because writing a post spread over a long period is a lot more difficult, which means you guys have to wait longer again. It's not fair that I always get left out just because I am in a different timezone to you guys.
I waited for you to post yesterday, Elf, rather than going into a long discussion with Lantz. I would appreciate it if you and Magos would do the same for me.
Once again, Kiyoshi will be ignored because he's freaking 12. Remember that.
Man I don't even know where my last posts are.
A few posts back. Valda just saw a parrot come to life for a few seconds.
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A few posts back. Valda just saw a parrot come to life for a few seconds.
Still waiting for a reaction from Henderson on that, by the way!
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Can you guys wait for me, please?
It's really irritating always having to respond to three posts from each person when I wake up. It means that Kiyoshi never gets noticed or responded to because you guys have already moved on. And it also means my post takes a lot longer to write, because writing a post spread over a long period is a lot more difficult, which means you guys have to wait longer again. It's not fair that I always get left out just because I am in a different timezone to you guys.
I waited for you to post yesterday, Elf, rather than going into a long discussion with Lantz. I would appreciate it if you and Magos would do the same for me.
Once again, Kiyoshi will be ignored because he's freaking 12. Remember that.
Just because he is twelve that does not mean he is automatically ignored without you even seeing what he says or does. How the fuck am I meant to RP if you guys pre-emptively decide that what I do or say has no fucking meaning?
I am frankly sick of this bullshit excuse-making. It is fine to see what Kiyoshi says and then take no notice of it based on characterisation, but to decree that you will not listen just because you can't be arsed to wait for me to post is just being an asshole. Kids still do say and do relevant things sometimes.
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A few posts back. Valda just saw a parrot come to life for a few seconds.
Still waiting for a reaction from Henderson on that, by the way!
Right, right.
And Mike, nothing he can really do here will distract Jack, Archer, or Lancer short of flat out attacking them.
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At this point, no, a couple of posts back he would at least have got a reply.
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And posted
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I find it hilarious how much vitae Jack is spending from a mechanical standpoint just by coming and going as a crow.
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Hmm, he would be, wouldn't he? O_O If he keeps doing this in such quick succession like this, wouldn't he start getting drained pretty fast? (NOTE: Still a WOD noob, I'm still learning the ins and outs, so if I just made myself look like an idiot... well, now you know why. :P)
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If he keeps this up... yeah, he'll burn through his reserves pretty quickly. Turning into an animal using Protean takes 2 Vitae. If Jack's blood potency is 3 or higher he won't go dry anytime soon but yep, he'll be expending a lot of vitae.
And then he's back where he started lol.
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Sorry for the delay, been busy with new year celebrations and other important events. (Like the annual fanfic contest) I'll get a post up as soon as I can make sense of all the chaos.
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So, basically, Kiyoshi just gets entirely ignored yet again....
Do you guys even read my posts, either in here or in the RP? Why do I even bother wasting my time writing it when no-one is going to take any damn notice...?
This is seriously starting to damage my interest in the RP. I wouldn't mind being ignored on occasion, but it's constant, and it's always going to keep happening because I'm in a different timezone to you guys. Even when you directly address Kiyoshi, you still go on and make three posts after it, whilst I'm in bed, and then ignore his response in order to keep things consistent. What is the damn point of my writing a fucking post if it just gets fucking ignored? I'm fucking sick of being punished for the crime of not living in America....
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Interest in Kiyoshi < Interest in Ryoko
It's as simple as that Mike. She is their fucking DAUGHTER. Of course she gets priority over a nephew who isn't their nephew. Its as simple as that.
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No, my problem is that it keeps fucking happening. It happened several times last month, and once it caused me a serious problem with my post, and now I am basically unable to ever get any sort of conversation going with anyone because when I wake up every day they have made 3 posts each and left the conversation with me behind. It never happens the other way, either, so everyone else is just fine
Sure, Ryoko might be "more interesting", but Kiyoshi is just completely ignored regardless of what he does or says because everyone else runs off into the future and his conversations are forgotten about. If I was awake when you guys are and could reply to your posts that wouldn't happen because Kiyoshi would be kept involved in the conversation. True, the Ryoko stuff would take priority, but Kiyoshi was involved in a conversation with Archer before that even happened and it just got dropped because you guys can't be bothered to wait for me or to let me get involved in any way.
I wouldn't mind if it was an occasional thing in response to situations like this, but it's not. It happens all the damn time. Whenever I try to set anything up or get anything going it just gets one response and then someone else starts something and goes off on a tangent whilst I'm asleep. Then, when I wake up, I'm faced with 15 posts to deal with and a massive time difference between the end of my last post and the end of everyone elses', which means I end up needing to spread my post over a long period, making it really difficult to write and also causing the conversation I started earlier to be completely forgotten.
My problem is not that people ignore Kiyoshi some of the time, it's that even when Kiyoshi does or says something that would legitimately get responses it is usually overshadowed by someone else doing the same, whereas when I make an effort to change the conversation it gets one post in response and then everyone else goes back to the original thing whilst I'm in bed, causing the topic involving Kiyoshi to die. That's especially true when I'm interacting with Elf, since she's rarely on when I am and she doesn't really seem to like waiting for others to post....
And, further, because I always have about 10 posts to reply to I am always miles behind, which means I can't really make anything happen. I just want to actually have a chance to get involved for once, and for the last few months no-one has been making any effort to do that. Every single major event that happens I just get left out of because you guys rush off on your own and don't let me react. The Angra thing a month back is the most problematic example of that, but it's systematic and it's starting to get really annoying.
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This is mostly because Kiyoshi is fucking 12 dude. Nobody listens to the 12 year old. Ever.
Trust me, Rider won't be ignored.
Just make your post and fucking deal with it man.
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I'm at work right now, so I can't post.
And, 12 or not, he should not be fucking ignored when he is in the middle of a damn conversation. That is just fucking rude....
As for Rider, I fucking bet she is ignored, because I've seen no evidence that they intend to wait for other people. Hell, they didn't wait for you last night either.
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Yeah, and do I give a fuck? No, I don't because Jack has no stake in this conversation and really would just listen and learn. Go with the flow and all that jazz Mike.
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Yeah, but Kiyoshi wouldn't do that. He's not the "listen and learn" type....
And, further, it's different for you because this is a one-off. You are usually on when they are. I am not, and thus it keeps happening to me. "Going with the flow" means I can never have any kind of conversations with anyone else in a group situation and can never do anything important, because you guys are always three posts ahead of me. It makes the RP a total chore because I can never do anything more than write out horribly drawn-out posts that either try to explain why I did nothing or act in a manner that will just get ignored anyway.
Further, what is really irritating me is that no-one is showing me the slightest bit of consideration here, aside from Lantz on occasion. I've asked people to wait for me for at least four nights in a row, and I don't see any evidence people have even read my posts, let alone taken any notice of them. It's not this particular instance that is upsetting me so much as the fact that it is constantly happening and happens even when Kiyoshi actually should be reacting (the Angra thing is a good example of that, but also some of the stuff that happened a few nights ago when Kiyoshi was involved in conversations with people that just got forgotten about).
I wouldn't mind people doing this when it's justified for them to do so if they showed some indication that they gave the slightest fuck about actually letting me participate in the RP, but, not only have they continued to do the same thing over and over, I've not even so much as had a reply, aside from you going on about how Kiyoshi is a kid and, thus, should apparently be treated as if he is invisible whenever anything important happens, even if he happens to be threatening you with a pair of very sharp magical swords or has something actually important to say....
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I'm at work right now, so I can't post.
And, 12 or not, he should not be fucking ignored when he is in the middle of a damn conversation. That is just fucking rude....
As for Rider, I fucking bet she is ignored, because I've seen no evidence that they intend to wait for other people. Hell, they didn't wait for you last night either.
If you're at work, why are you posting this now?
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Because there's no-one else here and I'm a master of procrastination....
Plus, it's pissing me off, so I want to deal with it.
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Once again, whoop de doo, magical swords that Jack will undoubtedly be able to survive because he's a fucking vampire. He took a sawed off 10 gauge shotgun to the chest from a mugger before, both barrels, and came out of it looking PISSED and sucked the guy to the brink of death. Jack is tough as fuck.
And unless someone replies before Kiyoshi on the Dead Apostle matter, I'll be waiting for him to reply. Once again, suck it up and deal with it Mike. Patience.
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Look, if it was a one-off I would just "suck it up", but it isn't. It's seriously caused me problems several times before, and I see no indication that it's likely to stop doing so in the future, so I'm pointing it out so that people might actually listen.
The one that irritated me the most was New Years' Day, honestly. I could easily have replied to Lantz New Years' Eve, and it would have saved me a lot of hassle. But, instead I waited for Elf to come on and post, so Lancer would get a chance to reply. Then, when I finally get on New Years' Day (I can't honestly remember what I was doing that night, but I would have posted sooner if I'd only had a few things to reply to), I find myself faced with a whole bunch of rather-long posts, which directly affected Kiyoshi and, then, ended with an event that meant I wouldn't realistically get a reply to anything I said even though I would have if everyone had stopped at one post. I would just like people to show me a bit more consideration in situations like that, and wait for me to have a chance to respond before carrying on when me responding is a reasonable outcome.
Again, as a one-off thing it would be fine, but I can think of at least three situations in the last month where I have been left out of events as a result of other people not waiting for me, and the one with Ryoko and Angra was a serious problem that caused me a lot of stress.
As for your post, I'm not sure what to do there. Kiyoshi would have some idea what they are (although probably less than Archer), but I'm also tempted to leave as Lantz's characters said I should so I don't have to keep dealing with this shit....
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It sucks that you want to participate, but you often can't find the timing to. That is true, and I'll agree with that much. Just, Mike, understand that it's not happening because of a lack of respect for you - when a pace gets going and people get involved in writing this dynamic story, they sometimes can't wait for others to advance and participate before doing so themselves. The pacing of Cross Effects already tends to be kinda slow because some of us are from different time zones and other reasons, so it's no surprise that we want to get as much as we can out of the characters that we are playing, and drive their personal stories and interactions with others and the world forward.
People get distracted and maybe forget they aren't the only ones that feel that way, and that can sometimes leave others behind on the roleplaying, like it's happened to you - but it's not done on purpose or with malicious intent. Some people may have patience, others may have less, but regardless of who is driving it forward more, if the pace of the story is flowing, they don't want to break it for themselves if they can help it.
That is what I think, anyways.
Also, currently kinda confused: are Deacon Frost's vampires Kindred or more traditional ones?
Or multiple kinds of vampire, really, since we are in Nexus City?
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It's not lack of time, though. You guys are all in the US, and most of the posting is happening at 5 AM my time. It is literally impossible for me to get involved in any of this, however much time I have.
And, the problem I have here is that it is making the RP a total chore to play. Because no-one else wants to wait for me, I never get to do anything important or have any conversations, at least when I am around more than one persons' characters (which is most of the time due to the structure of the RP). All I ever do is scratch around writing a horribly long and convoluted post in order to deal with the mess that happened whilst I was in bed. That is not fun, and if I am just going to have to do that constantly there is not much point in me even bothering to play.
I understand that it's not deliberate, but with the number of times I've pointed it out and asked for people to wait I'd have thought they'd at least think about it by now, and I've seen no indication of that at all.
As for vampires, there are multiple kinds. I think the ones in the Nexus are the classic kind of vampire (probably something like Forest, I'd imagine, since Elf designed them), but there are also non-Nexus vampires around, like the kindred, and a DA could theoretically show up at some point.
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YOLF's actually in Portugal.
And no, Frost is in charge of all vampires. Or at least he thinks he is. He isn't Kindred, and now there's an infestation of them in the city, three patient zeros.
Time to play invasive species YOLF.
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Deacon Frost's vampires are the ones from Blade. They're vulnerable to garlic, UV light and silver. On the other hand, they're technically alive as far as I can tell and they can protect themselves from sunlight with a sufficiently thick layering of sunblock.
And I've still got no idea when these other Kindred got into the picture. Takes some of the fun out to not be the first wave.
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From talking with Elf, all over actually. But yeah, if Deacon is a Blade vampire, whoo! Sounds awesome.
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THen i'll remove the references. We're the first Kindred in the city.
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THen i'll remove the references. We're the first Kindred in the city.
Niice.
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Oh, they're Blade vampires. Riiiiiight, Deacon Frost...
Look it's been a while since I saw the movie.
Also, I'm not a good example to use for the time zone argument Magos, given right now I have a relatively free schedule, and I have insomnia pretty frequently.
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YOLF's actually in Portugal.
Yeah, but the people he's interacting with are waiting for him to post, so he doesn't have a problem....
Also, I'm not a good example to use for the time zone argument Magos, given right now I have a relatively free schedule, and I have insomnia pretty frequently.
Well, the guys you are interacting with are not proceeding particularly quickly anyway, and you're all waiting for each other, so it's not a problem for you. I'm in the middle of a big group where people are not really waiting, so I get left behind.
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I think the problem is just that people don't actually want to interact with Kiyoshi in-character OR out of character. They find him abrasive and annoying and would prefer not to engage him.
But that's just my obsevation.
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Well, he is somewhat annoying (in-character, at least), yes, intentionally so. He's a kid with swords in a strange world with people he sort-of knows and other people who are acting like dicks to them....
But, at the same time, I'm probably playing it up more because otherwise people just ignore me, and because it's difficult not to be annoying when you're replying to stuff that happened way back and never get to have a proper conversation. If I don't force things to happen then no-one bothers to even talk to me.
If that is true, though, I'd appreciate knowing that. There's no point in me making an effort to write posts when people are trying to actively avoid them. If necessary I can just pull him out of the RP entirely (although I need to justify why Sakura would not go home with him if she sends him back).
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Well, he is somewhat annoying (in-character, at least), yes, intentionally so. He's a kid with swords in a strange world with people he sort-of knows and other people who are acting like dicks to them....
But, at the same time, I'm probably playing it up more because otherwise people just ignore me, and because it's difficult not to be annoying when you're replying to stuff that happened way back and never get to have a proper conversation. If I don't force things to happen then no-one bothers to even talk to me.
If that is true, though, I'd appreciate knowing that. There's no point in me making an effort to write posts when people are trying to actively avoid them. If necessary I can just pull him out of the RP entirely (although I need to justify why Sakura would not go home with him if she sends him back).
Yes, I think everyone should be honest there. You're absolutely right that it's a waste of your time if you aren't made aware of how people feel on this matter.
I'm just saying that in my position that would be the motive I'd have not to interact with him, were I in their shoes. The more you play it up, the less people want to interact. The less people want to interact, the more you play it up. Vicious cycle.
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Well, ICly I don't mind at all if people dislike him. He's not meant to be perfect and he is meant to irritate some people. OOCly, though, even if he's disliked he's still capable of speaking and acting in a manner that will not always simply be brushed-off (there are plenty of characters around who you would ICly want to avoid but still get involved anyway), so the fact that he's annoying ICly doesn't give an OOC reason to ignore my posts or not let me have a chance to respond.
And, if people genuinely are OOCly trying to avoid dealing with him and are having conversations when I'm not around to do so then they should absolutely tell me that, because it is really not fair on me to make me waste my time working on a post that no-one wants to even see, especially when I could be spending the time bringing in other characters or doing stuff with Rider. I don't mind hearing that Kiyoshi is annoying, he's a little kid and, whilst he is fundamentally a good person, he is a bit of a spoiled brat due to the fact that Sakura dotes on him, but if he's so annoying that people are OOCly avoiding him then I'd like to know that so I can change how I'm playing him or just send him home.
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I really do think that he's so annoying that people are avoiding him OOC.
Am I wrong, people?
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Not really.
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I really do think that he's so annoying that people are avoiding him OOC.
Am I wrong, people?
That seems weird to me, though. Why would being ICly annoying cause people to avoid him OOCly? Surely dealing with characters that your characters hate is part of the game. And, the times when Kiyoshi is most annoying is when he can't really be ignored....
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I really do think that he's so annoying that people are avoiding him OOC.
Am I wrong, people?
That seems weird to me, though. Why would being ICly annoying cause people to avoid him OOCly? Surely dealing with characters that your characters hate is part of the game. And, the times when Kiyoshi is most annoying is when he can't really be ignored....
He goes so far into being intrusively annoying that he causes the players to hate him, not just their characters.
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Even so, that doesn't stop people interacting with him. I OOCly hate MoS Shirou (far more than anyone hates Kiyoshi, I'm sure), I was still willing to RP with OPOI playing him. Hating the character doesn't necessarily mean avoiding the character. That implies that people can't play characters who are flawed....
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Kiyoshi is fine when you actually interact with him. And I find it massively unfair and hypocritical that Arch dares ignore anyone while forcing others to interact with his characters.
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Ahahahaha. You can always just ignore Jack Lantz, unlike about 90% of your sues. You seem to be missing the points we make about 90% of the time. Actually, you miss them 100% of the time.
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Kiyoshi is fine when you actually interact with him.
Yeah, this is pretty much true, at least as long as you're not an asshole. I can't imagine most kids would react well to hearing their mum get insulted....
Kiyoshi can be a bit aggressive towards people who threaten people he knows or look like they might, but once you get to know him he's a nice enough kid. He absolutely idolises his mother, though.
Ahahahaha. You can always just ignore Jack Lantz, unlike about 90% of your sues. You seem to be missing the points we make about 90% of the time. Actually, you miss them 100% of the time.
I think Lantz's characters are generally easier to ignore than yours, honestly. At least Lantz doesn't have his characters burst into the room with a shotgun or similar....
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First impressions matter, Mike.
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Sure.
I'm not expecting everyone to like Kiyoshi ICly, and he's acting like he is because that is how he's meant to be. It is a bit unfair to OOCly avoid him just because I'm actually trying to make him not be perfect, though, and it is considerably worse to do so and then not even have the guts to tell me you are, so that I keep wasting my time writing posts that no-one even wants to read and that will never get me anywhere.
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As Aiden said, first impressions matter. And when Kiyoshi's is invariably usually "Be a little shit to everyone that isn't one of Lantz's characters" people get turned away from him.
That was in character, and otherwise Lantz's characters pull stupid shit like that shotgun threat in ways that are out of character and nonsensical. I point to "Rin's" sudden appearance, and everything that happened with "Angra Mainyu." For the most part my characters are rather ignorable compared to Lantz's.
Sure.
I'm not expecting everyone to like Kiyoshi ICly, and he's acting like he is because that is how he's meant to be. It is a bit unfair to OOCly avoid him just because I'm actually trying to make him not be perfect, though, and it is considerably worse to do so and then not even have the guts to tell me you are, so that I keep wasting my time writing posts that no-one even wants to read and that will never get me anywhere.
Oh no, its fine if you don't have act perfectly, but tone down the pulling swords on everyfuckingone all the time. And if he'd be able to listen to people instead of parrot HF!Shirou all the time except worse about it, then that'd go a long way as well.
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As Aiden said, first impressions matter. And when Kiyoshi's is invariably usually "Be a little shit to everyone that isn't one of Lantz's characters"
Actually, he was entirely nice to Alice's Rin, too, and to Ryoko (aside from him getting upset at her completely ignoring him, which was reasonable). See a pattern there...?
That was in character, and otherwise Lantz's characters pull stupid shit like that shotgun threat in ways that are out of character and nonsensical. I point to "Rin's" sudden appearance, and everything that happened with "Angra Mainyu." For the most part my characters are rather ignorable compared to Lantz's.
No, they aren't. Lantz's characters might show up out of nowhere, but they don't really do that much. They can easily be ignored if you want to. Someone attacking you with a shotgun cannot be.
Oh no, its fine if you don't have act perfectly, but tone down the pulling swords on everyfuckingone all the time.
Well, he would if you toned down the "threatening his family all the time"....
And if he'd be able to listen to people instead of parrot HF!Shirou all the time except worse about it, then that'd go a long way as well.
Yeah, that's called characterisation. Why would he put the words of some random guy he just met over his own parents (and, he doesn't even listen to them as much as he should)?
Well, that and my memory being shit coupled with the slow pace of the RP, meaning that I completely forget anything he does learn....
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*looks at his new character sheet*
So, does anyone else play League Of Legends? :P
And curses, I keep having character sheet ideas that I then have to write down.
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That was in character, and otherwise Lantz's characters pull stupid shit like that shotgun threat in ways that are out of character and nonsensical. I point to "Rin's" sudden appearance, and everything that happened with "Angra Mainyu." For the most part my characters are rather ignorable compared to Lantz's.
No, they aren't. Lantz's characters might show up out of nowhere, but they don't really do that much. They can easily be ignored if you want to. Someone attacking you with a shotgun cannot be.
Oh no, its fine if you don't have act perfectly, but tone down the pulling swords on everyfuckingone all the time.
Well, he would if you toned down the "threatening his family all the time"....
And if he'd be able to listen to people instead of parrot HF!Shirou all the time except worse about it, then that'd go a long way as well.
Yeah, that's called characterisation. Why would he put the words of some random guy he just met over his own parents (and, he doesn't even listen to them as much as he should)?
Well, that and my memory being shit coupled with the slow pace of the RP, meaning that I completely forget anything he does learn....
As to the first bit - The trash can lid, Suetoshi's appearance, Suetoshi's rampage, Suetoshi's castle popping up, "AM" showing up, everything to do with "AM" while in the compound, and more if I dug on through this RP. Saying Lantz hasn't done stuff that can't be easily ignored is a lie and you know it.
As to the second, when the subject of his sword drawing not only hasn't threatened his family until they've threatened him and is showing a notable lack of interest in actually threatening or being a threat to anyone, you might want to put the swords away Kiyoshi.
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As to the second, when the subject of his sword drawing not only hasn't threatened his family until they've threatened him and is showing a notable lack of interest in actually threatening or being a threat to anyone, you might want to put the swords away Kiyoshi.
Well, if you're talking about your vampire then, well, he was trying to kill Sakura.
But, yes, in general you are right. Read Kiyoshi's profile, it even states that he is too hot-headed and tends to see conflict as the first option. That is an intentional character flaw....
Like I said, though, if he doesn't even listen to his own parents enough, what chance do you think some random vampire who attacked his AU sister is going to have?
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I've explained every issue, my characters are easily ignored because unlike you arch I don't try to whole sale slaughter everyone's characters. Everything I've done is ignorable.
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As to the second, when the subject of his sword drawing not only hasn't threatened his family until they've threatened him and is showing a notable lack of interest in actually threatening or being a threat to anyone, you might want to put the swords away Kiyoshi.
Well, if you're talking about your vampire then, well, he was trying to kill Sakura.
Vampires can feed without killing, for one thing. Until the frenzy thing, at which point his character wasn't in control of his actions.
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Vampires can feed without killing, for one thing.
Sure, but a) Kiyoshi doesn't know that for sure and b) he never gave any indication he intended to avoid killing her. All Kiyoshi knew was that someone was attacking her and Connor had shouted for help.
Until the frenzy thing, at which point his character wasn't in control of his actions.
Which is when Kiyoshi came in....
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I've explained every issue, my characters are easily ignored because unlike you arch I don't try to whole sale slaughter everyone's characters. Everything I've done is ignorable.
Not really. Did you look at that list? All of those actions need to be responded to because to do otherwise is out of character or simply not possible, such as in the "AM" case. You might want to hurry up and do some RP post as well Lantz so that Mike doesn't feel ignored more than he already is.
And Jack never even moved towards "Sakura". Forest touched him before he could.
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Yeah there's a difference between intrusive actions like murder and basic character interaction yours are the former and mine are the latter.
you intended to kill Sakura arch.
I'm waiting on mike.
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You might want to hurry up and do some RP post as well Lantz so that Mike doesn't feel ignored more than he already is.
I still have other posts from Lantz to reply to, so no, he should wait for now.
And Jack never even moved towards "Sakura". Forest touched him before he could.
Kiyoshi heard Connor shout that he was attacking Sakura and came up to find him there with Connor acting to stop him and, then, him attacking Forest, who has been nice to Kiyoshi too. What do you expect him to think?
Perhaps he did react too quickly, especially the second time Jack came back, but Jack was being abusive towards Rin and Kiyoshi already distrusted him. Plus, like I said, Kiyoshi is like that by deliberate design.
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Yeah there's a difference between intrusive actions like murder and basic character interaction yours are the former and mine are the latter.
you intended to kill Sakura arch.
I'm waiting on mike.
No, Jack did not intend to kill Sakura you dumbass, did you read his post? He wanted to feed. He was in a Hunger Frenzy, and if he got some vitae into him he'd snap out of it. Perfectly harmless in the long run.
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Yeah there's a difference between intrusive actions like murder and basic character interaction yours are the former and mine are the latter.
you intended to kill Sakura arch.
I'm waiting on mike.
No, Jack did not intend to kill Sakura you dumbass, did you read his post? He wanted to feed. He was in a Hunger Frenzy, and if he got some vitae into him he'd snap out of it. Perfectly harmless in the long run.
Well no, let's be fair: if he was in hunger frenzy he'd have fed until he was completely full even if it meant killing someone. This was not his intention prior to the frenzy, however.
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Yeah there's a difference between intrusive actions like murder and basic character interaction yours are the former and mine are the latter.
you intended to kill Sakura arch.
I'm waiting on mike.
No, Jack did not intend to kill Sakura you dumbass, did you read his post? He wanted to feed. He was in a Hunger Frenzy, and if he got some vitae into him he'd snap out of it. Perfectly harmless in the long run.
I recall hearing that you wanted to turn her into a vampire....
Also, she was low on prana, so I would imagine that being fed on would not do her any good at all.
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From what I understood of that situation, Jack was just messing with Connor because he didn't have a favorable first impression of him and Sakura was looking way too appetizing for a hungry vampire.
Connor, not knowing this, overreacted, and caused Jack to hunger frenzy.
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Thanks for the heads up mike
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Erm
hummmm
> Satoshi gets stabbed, something something Tsukasa
> Car bursts into flames
> Tsukasa takes him away making use of the smoke with shadow travel
Did I interpret that right?
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Apparently, though not for long.
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Well, given that Names hasn't posted for about three weeks, I doubt he's going to do much about it....
And, Magos, she just shadow-teleported him away. There's no reasonable way you can stop it. Also, given that Names has disappeared and the police thing is therefore not going to work, I think you're being really quite unfair on Lantz trying to force him to hang around. Particularly since you gave no indication whatsoever that you were there before and are clearly pulling it out of your ass to piss Lantz off.
Also, frankly, given that you were just bitching about Lantz's actions not being ignorable you're a massive hypocrite....
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I waited as long as I could and still preserved the mystery that names wanted to have to get involved with upon my exit.
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Yeah, except that allowing it would deny Magos the opportunity to fuck you over for no reason other than to make it impossible for you to RP.
Honestly, I think you should go to Elf on this, because Magos came literally out of nowhere, has no way of realising what you did and you had no other choice, but by having you get caught "resisting arrest" it makes it so that Toshi is going to be constantly hunted by the police.
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Uh arch inferno cop hadn't told the others he arrested Satoshi, further he's blocks away from inferno cop so Doom rider can't know he was arrested by sight
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Lantz, what Magos is doing is blatant meta-gaming and we both know it. Just go and complain to Elf, and I will back you up fully. Trying to talk to him is a waste of time because he is clearly and obviously just trying to fuck the RP up for you.
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He did see him get the perp in the car. He'd recognize Satoshi.
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I know, unfortunately he's ruining the whole fucking plan names wanted to set up
seriously Arch delete it
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He did see him get the perp in the car. He'd recognize Satoshi.
Doesn't matter, as far as he's concerned Satoshi just got killed. Further, you at no point indicated that you were watching from overhead.
Sorry, Magos, but this is just blatant meta-gaming. Further, Lantz had no other option because Names has been inactive, and you're ruining the stuff Names and Lantz wanted to do solely so you can be a dick to Lantz. This is the fourth time you've used extremely-dubious pseudo-IC reasoning to fuck Lantz over, and this time Lantz has done absolutely nothing wrong. Further, if you will not delete it then I cannot post with Rider until it is dealt with, because she will be coming to defend Satoshi if Elf lets this stand. If you can do bullshit meta-gaming like this then so can I. I might try to find a way to send everyone else I've got, too, and I might even try to bring in a new character called "anti-Doomrider" or something. If you want a battle of pointless meta-gaming then I'll give you a battle of pointless meta-gaming.
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Oh for goodness' sake -
I don't care who's in the wrong here. I'm getting a little tired of these disputes and I don't think I'm the only one. Do we absolutely need a GM ruling every time Magos and lantz's characters interact?
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It would be nice if we didn't, no, but Magos is obviously out to get Lantz's characters and refuses any attempts at compromise on Lantz's part, so Lantz has no option but to call for one. If he had not then at least three of Lantz's characters would be dead by now (despite the RP rules specifically forbidding killing characters without the player's consent).
I honestly see no other option here, other than Magos voluntarily withdrawing his post. What he's done here is entirely for OOC reasons. It makes no IC sense, it wasn't set up at all by him and it screws Lantz over for no benefit to anyone (aside from Magos getting to be an ass).
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Arch seriously delete it, Satoshi needs to be for all intents and purposes dead until inferno cop gets finished with his end of it
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Well, in this case... I really have to agree that you should withdraw that post, Magos.
If it had been foreshadowed it would've been one thing, but since it kinda came out of left field, I'd say you need to be the one to back down this time.
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Names pm'd me with the idea so I want to keep the point of the idea while still being allowed to use my characters to RP elsewise
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Well, in this case... I really have to agree that you should withdraw that post, Magos.
If it had been foreshadowed it would've been one thing, but since it kinda came out of left field, I'd say you need to be the one to back down this time.
Yeah, exactly.
If it had been foreshadowed that Doomrider was following them then I would be a little annoyed with it happening, but I would say it was justified. However, there was no indication that he is and no real reason why he would be (Satoshi surrendered voluntarily, if he was going to fight then he'd have done it back at the castle). Further, Lantz acted this way solely out of necessity, because Names is unfortunately busy.
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Except I DID post exactly that. Doomrider was following the car. No, seriously, I posted that. You can find it.
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And seriously I'm keeping the idea names had intact, Arch is wrecking it.
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Except I DID post exactly that. Doomrider was following the car. No, seriously, I posted that. You can find it.
Where?
If you make a statement, it is your responsibility to prove it, not ours....
And, even if you did, please just withdraw this, it's just going to cause hassle for everyone else if you don't. Lantz was setting something up for Names and, honestly, it seems unlikely that you'd see what happened anyway. Plus, she uses shadow teleportation, there is literally nothing you can do to stop it even if you did see it.
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I never stated a direction, and if he were following the car then there's no way he could intercept them or follow the shadow travel in short there's no way for doomrider to find them
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I didn't really talk much to the vampiress after that little name exchange. She continued walking on in silence.
"Contact me if you need anything more." I tossed her a card with my name on it and a short phone number - the office. Brianna would be sleeping now anyway. I think I gave him the night off. I think.
With that I changed my shape, shifting from a man form to that of a large black crow I'd managed to catch early on in my Requiem. Hey. It'd been food for a desperate night. Animal blood was starting to lose it's potency for me anyway. Soon, maybe a couple of decades or so, and I probably wouldn't be able to feed from animals anymore when the going got tough. A real shame. It'd be tougher to stay filled up once that happened.
Cawing, I sailed off into the night, kindred nightvision overriding the crows. A useful little trick I'd picked up on. If I wanted to feed, the building where the gunshot had come from would be a decent start. Rumor was some dhampir, or Jian Shi or something similar had taken up residence there, and was of all things, renting the place out to guests. If it was true, I'd need to be careful, but I might, pardon the pun, find a Kindred spirit within. I could go another few nights without blood, but I needed to feed, and the sooner the better.
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Doomrider buzzed the Castle as Inferno Cop started driving towards the station. Sadly, the sight of the explosion had yielded no cocaine, or evidence, or much in the way of anything, except some loon babbling about a crazy vampire. Man, the things some people came up with.
Shrugging, he gunned the engine once more and accelerated through the sky, following the borrowed cruiser. After all, the Flame Cop Partners had to stick together.
So yes, he should have seen Suetoshit enter the car.
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Satoshi didn't enter the car, though, he's already in it....
The thing is, even if you did see it happen, I don't see what Doomrider could do about it, and nor would it be obvious to him that Satoshi is not dead.
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The exit was impossible to trace arch, withdraw the post, you're only causing an issue for names
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Fine, fine. For Nachos, not for you.
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...OK, read everything, still processing everything...
OK, first of all, once Rider enters the picture, you should be able to interact again, Mike. Rider's a lot harder to ignore. Plus I can at least justify it for both of my characters as well as D. Archer in this case- Rin and Archer are both in shock from learning that they have a daughter and Rin may very well be pregnant with her right now. Ryoko is both disoriented and drunk (as Lancer said, she's a light weight), hence why she's disclosing information she normally wouldn't blab in front of everyone like this. She's out of it as it is, so far the only people she's really registering as in the room are her parents.
Second of all, Aiden makes an excellent point pointing out that people can find it rather difficult to want to RP with characters IC if they hate the characters OOCly. ...Honestly, I also agree that we should be more honest about how we feel in this regard, and if anyone has similar feelings about any character, I feel they should voice them so the RPer themselves knows.
In my case, I absolutely despise lantz's characters. All of them. This version of Rin that he brought in? Makes me fume so damn much with almost every god damn thing she's done. I will happily list her crimes if someone so asks me to. What's worse is that it's incredibly difficult for me to ignore her IC with certain characters. So no, I can't just blow them off anymore. I also really do feel that something should be done on this front. I have yet to have had any difficulty on this front with characters besides lantz's (yes, even Kiyoshi).
Which brings me to my third point... lantz, I don't care if what Magos did was out of nowhere, I don't care if Nachos is rather busy right now, that's god modding. Like you've been doing the whole RP. And quite frankly it's about the last straw for me. Especially since they're headed back to the Complex.
I wasn't wanting such extreme action before, but this was, for me, the nail in the coffin. I think lantz should no longer participate in this RP. This has gone too far, and quite frankly, I've had enough.
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Which brings me to my third point... lantz, I don't care if what Magos did was out of nowhere, I don't care if Nachos is rather busy right now, that's god modding. Like you've been doing the whole RP. And quite frankly it's about the last straw for me. Especially since they're headed back to the Complex.
And I think Lantz did nothing wrong. Names has not been online for weeks and has given no indication when he'll be back. In those circumstances Lantz leaving the car is the only realistic option.
I wasn't wanting such extreme action before, but this was, for me, the nail in the coffin. I think lantz should no longer participate in this RP. This has gone too far, and quite frankly, I've had enough.
And if Lantz is kicked then I walk out. I do not think he has done anything wrong there, and returning to the compound is something he said he was going to do when he left Names' custody a month or so ago. Rider is meeting him there.
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Lantz did claim he apparently planned this with Names beforehand so... it doesn't seem that this occasion at least is an example of god-modding.
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Ah, OK. If that's the case, then I'll let it slide. Because even if I don't trust lantz, I do trust Nachos quite a bit.
I reel back my opinion then to what it was before I read that, then- I don't think lantz should necessarily be kicked, but I do think that some GM action should be taken against him, as he's failed to heed any of Elf's advice.
A lot of my points before that still stand, however. If anyone has issue with anyone's characters to the point they find them difficult to RP with, please say so in the thread.
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Lantz did claim he apparently planned this with Names beforehand so... it doesn't seem that this occasion at least is an example of god-modding.
The concept of the escape at least was planned well back. It was intended to happen later, but with Names not around he had no option but to bring it forward.
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Since we're kind of on topic. It's not that I want to have anyone kicked out of the RP per say, since for one, a lot of lantz's characters provide interesting conflict to the story, but... let me be completely honest here about what I think of practically every one of lantz's posts in the RP:
They're janky, often not properly capitalized, oddly worded and somewhat confusing, the narration is most of the time lackluster, and the way he writes his characters tends to rub me in a bad way, like they're... well, like lantz is not even putting that much effort in it, and they end up sounding contrived and not relateable.
The questionable quality of his posts bothers me. There, I said it.
Please understand lantz, I'm not trying to attack you here, and I'm just taking the occasion to be sincere about what's been bugging me, since more people are pointing out the problems they have with your writing in the RP.
Look. The presence of your characters is brewing conflict. It has already driven events and interactions forward. You have the means, the catalysts, to continue to do so and contribute to the RP in a meaningful and interesting way. Which is precisely why I'd like to be able to not cringe whenever I read one of your posts because they felt like you didn't put any care into them, or they portrayed characters in a jarring manner, or just because you were forcing the action in a contrived way.
I'm trying to offer constructive critique here, because I want to enjoy this RP (I think we all do!), and I want this organic, unpredictable, developing story we're all making to be up to the standards I believe it deserves.
So I'm asking you. Lantz, can you please make that effort? And Magos, can you please bear with him at least a little and not direct your actions IC against him due to bias and your personal opinion?
Can we all cooperate on this guys? Maybe?
Thanks.
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Yeah, honestly, I do wish Lantz would use better grammar sometimes. It doesn't have to be perfect, but things like correct capitalisation would make his posts look a lot better, and easier to read.
And, I agree with the bit about Magos, too. I wish he would stop the IC targetting of Lantz. It is not only screwing the RP up for Lantz, it is also affecting other people by causing constant pointless conflicts that we all end up having to deal with. Kiyoshi, for example, is being a lot more aggressive than he would be if this stuff wasn't happening, particularly since Lantz's characters are feeling insecure as a result and Kiyoshi feels the need to defend them.
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...YOLF? God damn are you awesome. :3
Honestly, I invite other people to voice their own thoughts even more enthusiastically than before now because I honestly think a lot of constructive thought and criticism can come from it, as was just displayed here. :)
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Ruu thinks we have enough vampires.
Cordially, an anonymous fami person.
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...YOLF? God damn are you awesome. :3
Honestly, I invite other people to voice their own thoughts even more enthusiastically than before now because I honestly think a lot of constructive thought and criticism can come from it, as was just displayed here. :)
Thank you, I try my best. ^c^
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Given YOLF that my explanations and concerns are ignored often especially when it comes to in character stuff I find the return for the effort you ask is well beyond fair.
I do acknowledge that grammar wise I could do to improve but that's a time issue.
I'll say this even though it will be ignored most likely. I am not aiming for my characters to take center stage at all.
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The thing is, though, Lantz, if you improved stuff like the grammar people would be more likely to listen to your concerns and to be generally less critical of you, and to read your stuff. However good a concept is, if it's hard to read people just won't bother.
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The grammar isn't the main issue. Even it I did improve it to the point where I was better than Elf the main issues would still be present and rampant.
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The thing is, though, Lantz, if you improved stuff like the grammar people would be more likely to listen to your concerns and to be generally less critical of you, and to read your stuff. However good a concept is, if it's hard to read people just won't bother.
Essentially this. I find lantz's posts to be very painful to read, and more often than not I find myself skimming them to avoid having to do so. As well, the poor grammar conveys an egotism behind his words that may well not be intentional. I find this very off-putting, personally, and it has made him difficult to interact with in general.
I believe that you should take this opportunity to make an effort in good faith to improve, lantzblades, so that perhaps your explanations and concerns will seem reasonable and sensible in turn. As it is you come off to me as someone who whines when others do not agree with them, makes excuses when others present problems to them, and is overall unreasonable and unwilling to cooperate.
I find it frankly amazing that Mike puts up with your attitude to the degree that he has so far, enough that he will come to bat for you like this repeatedly; it's a credit to him.
The grammar isn't the main issue. Even it I did improve it to the point where I was better than Elf the main issues would still be present and rampant.
If you would explain what you believe the 'main issues' are in this case, perhaps we could come to a better understanding of the matter. Please.
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Yet another excellent post on the matter. :3
And lantz, I agree entirely with Aiden here (well, I agreed with him and YOLF entirely anyway, but that's besides the point), you should explain what you think the main issues are beyond your grammar. Because I believe there's issues with your writing beyond your grammar as well, albeit likely not what you think those issues are, but I want to see what you have to say about it.
EDIT: Forgot a few things.
Thank you, I try my best. ^c^
You're very welcome. :3 After all, you've more than earned it. :D
And to a certain fami person, he can at least rest assured that any characters I'm likely going to be bringing in won't be vampires. Don't know if that helps any, but there you go. :)
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OK, so you want the OOC stuff out and about?
Fine.
I think all of lantz's characters are irredeemably bad and his buchering of every rule of Nasu Canon possible does not help matters with them. They're all sues (Aside from maybe his latest and Alter, but that's only because he hasn't posted with him yet) and I hate them all with a passion because of how they act, who they are, and how they're written.
I agree with YOLF and Alice and Aiden that lantz seriously needs to improve his posting style, but that will only slightly improve matters - the basic facts of just how freaking bad his characters are remains, but at least reading his posts won't hurt my eyes and make me want to go through it like a capitalizing bulldozer.
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This doesn't seem genuine to me, it just looks like a set up to shit on me. As such I'll refrain from answering.
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Fun fact Lantz - THIS ISN'T A SET UP. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE GENUINELY FUCKING THINK.
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Uh huh. If that's the attitude you're going to take with this, lantz, then tell me something:
Why should we even bother giving you even an ounce of respect if you fail to show even an ounce of effort? Instead, oh no, it's an attack on you. As such, your behavior has shown little that prompts us to treat you with respect. Respect is earned, not simply given.
So tell me, lantz, earnestly, what the hell have you even done to even earn the right for us to treat you with any respect?
Remember, this is coming from someone that was quite willing to be impartial and respectful to you, but eventually that got grated at and grated at until any ability for me to respect you at all and view you with the right amount of impartiality for my position here was essentially lost. All over a period of about four months. Think about that, lantz. Think about that hard.
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Well, I can't be convicted for trying.
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Damn straight. :3 Plus those were some good words, even if they were lost on the person who most needed to hear them.
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YOLF I did acknowledge your points. Do you know why? Because you didn't insult me in the process of making your points.
Arch, Alice and Aiden have all insulted me today. When trying to help someone the appropriate way is not to insult the person you are trying to help.
I stated what I did previously because with the insults it looks like a way to brush off and shit on me for anything I say.
if that is not the point of this whole issue then the way to prove it is not to start in on me as Alice just has. I can't talk about my issues when this kind of response is what I get for being honest.
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Aiden insulted you? Seriously? You actually think that.
Quit going "WAAAAAAA WAAAAA YOU'RE ALL AGAINST ME!" because we aren't. We're trying to help you and you seem not to get that and instead think the entire world is out to get you.
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I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one. I am being as polite as I can be while presenting an issue with the personal image you present in your posts, and your general behavior in these threads.
Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.
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I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one.
Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.
Somewhat guilty as charged, but honestly can you blame me when every time I've actually tried to help him he ignores me and whines about me attacking him? Quite the self fulfilling prophecy on Lantz's end.
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I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one.
Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.
Somewhat guilty as charged, but honestly can you blame me when every time I've actually tried to help him he ignores me and whines about me attacking him? Quite the self fulfilling prophecy on Lantz's end.
I can, because the rest of us are making an effort here. You do not need to provoke him, no matter how justified your frustration is.
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I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one. I am being as polite as I can be while presenting an issue with the personal image you present in your posts, and your general behavior in these threads.
Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.
Yeah, I can't really see what was insulting in your post, honestly. Magos was definitely insulting, yes, and I can understand him being a bit distrustful of Alice, but I can't see what he's talking about in your case.
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...Honestly, I'm quite close to just saying that lantz should be kicked from the RP instead of simply punished again. This just proves exactly what we were saying.
You want to change my opinion, lantz? Actually improve your behavior instead of pulling this crap all the time. We're trying to help you and this is all you do in response. Like I said lantz, earn our respect instead of just spitting in our faces. Why do you think I lost all trust and faith in you to begin with, think about that.
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I'll leave it to all of you then. Good luck, we're all counting on you!
I am not certain how I have insulted you. I was presenting my issues with the impression I receive from your posts, which is an admittedly subjective experience on my part. Though, clearly, not an uncommon one. I am being as polite as I can be while presenting an issue with the personal image you present in your posts, and your general behavior in these threads.
Magos was insulting though, without a doubt.
Yeah, I can't really see what was insulting in your post, honestly. Magos was definitely insulting, yes, and I can understand him being a bit distrustful of Alice, but I can't see what he's talking about in your case.
I couldn't either. I think its his victim complex coming out. Anyone who doesn't think he's amazing or regard his posts neutrally is automatically against him, no matter how valid or minor their critiques are.
...Honestly, I'm quite close to just saying that lantz should be kicked from the RP instead of simply punished again. This just proves exactly what we were saying.
You want to change my opinion, lantz? Actually improve your behavior instead of pulling this crap all the time. We're trying to help you and this is all you do in response. Like I said lantz, earn our respect instead of just spitting in our faces. Why do you think I lost all trust and faith in you to begin with, think about that.
This. Full stop. We shouldn't have to deal with this shit. Lantz, as we've stated before, you've lost the right to respect through your actions, and its up to you to regain that trust.
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Rereading it I jumped at a shadow Aiden and I'm sorry. However as long as I'm being honest you came off as a bit condescending.
I will only say this. I am attempting to improve my grammar day by day however I have issues in doing so. They are private. And that's all I can say on the subject.
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Rereading it I jumped at a shadow Aiden and I'm sorry. However as long as I'm being honest you came off as a bit condescending.
I will only say this. I am attempting to improve my grammar day by day however I have issues in doing so. They are private. And that's all I can say on the subject.
I apologize for coming off as condescending then; that's my bad. It is likely a result of me attempting to be polite despite the issues I brought up before, and it is something I need to watch out for.
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It goes far beyond grammar lantz. Far beyond grammar.
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Clearly not Alice. Everytime you have an issue it comes down to a misunderstanding. These misunderstandings are because we are communicating through text. I guarantee that if my grammar were better that at least 70% of the things you claim about my gamming would be withdrawn. For example my characters trying to take the spotlight, they aren't but because my grammar is flawed they appear to be.
you and I have never had an actual conversation Alice. The things you believe about are unfounded. They are what you assume I am, again because my grammar betrays me.
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No, it goes beyond grammar as Alice said.
Even a grammatically correct story full of sues can still be utterly shit. Yours isn't grammatically correct, and also full of sues. So its even more shit :laugh:
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It's also in the way you write and create your stories and characters, and also in the way you just seem to brush off criticism like it's nothing. It goes into the way that you don't manage the canon stuff correctly (almost everything with your version of Rin is not only disrespectful to her character, it's also a bit ridiculous). It goes in the way you violate suspension of disbelief.
All that goes beyond a struggle with grammar. Grammar is one thing, but that's not the only issue your writing has.
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The last time I will say the following. I do take criticism. However criticism is not a clip on tie. It takes time to tie the knot so to speak. I internalize feedback, that's just how I do it.
as for my versions of these characters, I cannot change your opinions but that is what they are opinions. I have the right to write as I wish. As do the rest of you. If you cannot accept that then there's no compromise here. I view the characters differently and it is, after all a lengthy story. It has been. AU from the start which I never once hid. I write all kinds of stories with all kinds of these characters, everything from strict canon to massively different.
it's what writing is all about for me.
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Well with all due respect Lantz, your characters are horribly written sues with a protagonist centered morality that really doesn't make sense and actually causes far more harm than good. They're also so divorced from Canon calling it an AU is actually lying. This is basically original fiction with a thin layer of Nasu over it.
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Well, since it seems to be the topic of the day, my two cents:
The main problem I see with lantz's characters is in execution. OK, I get it; they're the characters as they are at the end of they're story, that's OK. The problem is, since the story hasn't been finished, we know nothing of about them, nor we have any attachment to them. A few of the ideas you have there also kinda break our SOD a bit (like the Rider Arm, which I argued a bit some time ago). Not helping matters is your grammar issues and spotty writing, which makes the characters seem sueish and/or unlikeable.
Again, it's all in the execution.
Another issue with your posts, is that all of your characters seem to have the same voice; not only that, they sound mostly like you. All of them sound alike and lack their own identity. The only exception I can think of is Connor, and that's mostly because he has an accent.
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Wow, I missed a lot while I was at work.
First YOLF you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Aiden- you know I adore you and thank you for your input.
Cherry . . . fuck we all know you're Mike and so Mike I shall call you. As previously said, yeah, there's a momentum that can happen when a group is bouncing against each other. Not to mention, the characters I have around Kiyoshi really have no reason to interact with him. Lancer's not a fan of kids and Kiyoshi is Sakura's son, which is painful for D. Archer to see. Especially considering what happened with Sakura and Rin in his timeline. Oh, yeah, and not to mention that chances are he got Rin Teen Pregnant.
If Rider was there, she'd get more interaction and waiting for you to post. Because, well, Rider is awesome and lovely. Sure, if Angel was there, he'd be paying Kiyoshi all sorts of attention because A.) Angel was a big brother (even though he ate his little sister when he became a vampire) B.) Angel likes kids. C.) Angel is a father himself, and missed the chance to bond with his own son when his son was that age.
Also, I missed a bunch while I was at work and read through like six pages of discussion to find that Lantz and Magos are at each others' throats again.
I'll get more into that when I read through the actual RP itself.
I agree that Lantz's grammar could use some work. It's mostly the capitalization issues that metaphorically make my eyes bleed. If he worked a little harder on his posting style I think people would be more agreeable to play with him. There's a book called "The Elements of Style" that you can find free PDFs on line. I really suggest reading it; it'll help with a lot of your issues.
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It was over a post I deleted because Lantz claimed Names had approved of the idea.
It's still fucking god modding.
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Well, there was talk with Names and Lantz doing something earlier.
I trust both of them and thank you for complying, Magos.
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Cherry . . . fuck we all know you're Mike and so Mike I shall call you. As previously said, yeah, there's a momentum that can happen when a group is bouncing against each other. Not to mention, the characters I have around Kiyoshi really have no reason to interact with him. Lancer's not a fan of kids and Kiyoshi is Sakura's son, which is painful for D. Archer to see. Especially considering what happened with Sakura and Rin in his timeline. Oh, yeah, and not to mention that chances are he got Rin Teen Pregnant.
I understand that, it just makes writing my posts really difficult and dull. I just wish you guys would consider that a bit more often. Even if your characters don't partcularly want to interact with Kiyoshi, that doesn't mean Kiyoshi is never going to have anything important to say.
And, the problem is that I never get to be in that situation with "bouncing against each other" due to timezones. And even if I am people just wait for you instead of talking to me, which means I never get anywhere.
If Rider was there, she'd get more interaction and waiting for you to post. Because, well, Rider is awesome and lovely. Sure, if Angel was there, he'd be paying Kiyoshi all sorts of attention because A.) Angel was a big brother (even though he ate his little sister when he became a vampire) B.) Angel likes kids. C.) Angel is a father himself, and missed the chance to bond with his own son when his son was that age.
The thing is, though, I don't just want to have Kiyoshi just standing there like a lemon all the time, and nor do I want to keep Rider hanging around with him. I know you guys might not be interested in him, but I would appreciate not having every post I made with him be a nightmare to write and not remotely fun.
Also, I missed a bunch while I was at work and read through like six pages of discussion to find that Lantz and Magos are at each others' throats again.
I'll get more into that when I read through the actual RP itself.
That has been resolved anyway, Magos removed the post.
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*Facepalm*
Holy shit Lantz. We go through a three page thing on what you shouldn't do and you DO IT ANYWAY AGAIN.
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No idea what you are referring to Arch
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Kassadin is approved!
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Kassadin is approved!
Yay!
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No idea what you are referring to Arch
And that is part of the fucking problem.
Despite claiming that you don't want to be the center of attention, you make your characters try and dictate ALL THE ACTIONS OF ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS without justification, reason, or any sort of remotely interesting build up. All the problems your characters have are solved either by themselves or by another one of your characters. Your characters never let any other characters interact with them in any meaningful way. Oh, but they're more than happy to be the perfect problem solvers of everyone elses issue. All your characters sound the fucking same. All your characters act the damn same. I have no idea how these characters would interact with the real world, and they never ever do anything truly wrong ever. They never lose, they never get injured (And if they do that's fine, mommy will stitch it back up and take her out of any real danger or plot or character development.) and they're never interesting.
Basically Lantz, if you want to write fanfiction, go ahead and do that but for Christ's sake, don't involve us in your shitty self insert sue fest.
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Magos, Rin is allowed to say "get out of the kitchen". We don't have to listen.
And, you repeatedly try to dictate how Lantz's characters can act, every time you make one of your blatant murder attempts, so I don't think you have much room to talk here.
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Lantz... I have no words. I'm struggling not to do something drastic right now I'm so angry about this.
I'm back to wanting lantz kicked out of the RP at this point. God damn it.
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Arch, she's asking because she needs the space. It's simple. Requests are not orders, and if your characters weren't always trying to kill mine you would have an effect on them.
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To be fair, Lantz, whilst you do say in the commentary text that it's a request, it is worded like an order. Certainly the characters would see it as such.
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Magos, Rin is allowed to say "get out of the kitchen". We don't have to listen.
And, you repeatedly try to dictate how Lantz's characters can act, every time you make one of your blatant murder attempts, so I don't think you have much room to talk here.
True, but the intent is there and Rin has been repeatedly told to get stuffed by Lancer. So her doing this is basically just Lantz throwing a hissy fit over not getting his way. And her being inconsiderate and rude to her alternate universe daughter and younger self when she was somehow perfectly nice and wonderful to Kiyoshi. Double standard much?
And the blatant murder attempts, as you describe them, are in character, logical, and entirely reactionary - Lantz having Sakura fire on Lawrence, Suetoshit going Rider Mode (That still pisses me off how stupid that whole gadget is and how freaking un-nasu it is to boot) setting Raul off because he thought that there was a trap and he was going to die so he'd take out as many as he could and freaking RIP AND TEAR reality itself to do it. Lantz CHOSE to act like an idiot in those cases. My characters reacted how they would in that case.
Arch, she's asking because she needs the space. It's simple. Requests are not orders, and if your characters weren't always trying to kill mine you would have an effect on them.
Jack was never trying to kill Sakura, I've said this multiple times. You seem not to be able to listen to anything or understand jack shit. I have no idea why I even bother at this point.
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Jack was never trying to kill Sakura, I've said this multiple times. You seem not to be able to listen to anything or understand jack shit. I have no idea why I even bother at this point.
I know for a fact that you were intending to turn her into a vampire if Elf had allowed it, which is technically killing her and would have a massive effect on her as a character.
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OK, I have to go to bed now, can you guys please, please not go off into a long conversation in the kitchen without me. The stuff in the kitchen is likely to get messy and I really don't want to have to reply to about 15 posts when I wake up tomorrow....
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So, Milbunk, think you can get a post in?
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Ironically had Arch just talked to me about the vampire thing I'd have likely gone with it.
also even if it comes off as rude I can't edit it.
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If Milbunk doesn't post by Sunday we're going to have to move without him.
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If Milbunk doesn't post by Sunday we're going to have to move without him.
I'm okay with this.
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Should probably get that post of Max noticing the commotion up soon...
Wasn't KAIZA's character also caught up in that?
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Yep, that she was.
Rei also will be caught up in that, once I finally write her intro post.
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Psst. It's the second magic.
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Should probably get that post of Max noticing the commotion up soon...
Wasn't KAIZA's character also caught up in that?
Yup, she was. I did my post some time ago before my time limit was up. ;D
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Psst. It's the second magic.
Whatever could you be talking about? :3
(I already fixed it, don't worry. :P)
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I'm back, bitches! Let's get this show on the road!
so how we gonna get to that castle
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I'm back, bitches! Let's get this show on the road!
so how we gonna get to that castle
Walking
I think
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Castle? Is Saber having visits?
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A goddess, a lich, and a hero walk into a castle...
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Well I meant are you guys expecting a post tonight
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Probably not. I mean knowing RP logic we're more likely to get jumped by something that wants to pick a fight with Sir Bonesington on the way.
Also, welcome back Bloble!
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A goddess, a lich, and a hero walk into a castle...
This sounds like the start of a joke. :3
Also, welcome back, Bloble! :D
...You like this new avvie of mine? :3
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3 trips to Walmart later, and my laptop has alternately had its charging port, AC adapter, and keyboard fixed, at the cost of now having inexplicably shitty wi-fi. I'll take it.
Alice, I won't say I want to make out with dat Lancer in a totally manly way, so you'll have to come to your own conclusions.
And lantz, we are naturally heading towards your castle because it's big, magic, and reeks of A+ dungeoning material. Expect the trio to get there sometime within the next 19 months.
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My response to that Lancer avatar: would fuck.
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Glad to hear the laptop's at least working again. :)
And glad to hear the Lancer avatar is eliciting such thoughts. :3
I'll just drop it in here for posterity:
(http://i.imgur.com/ldbDpP7.png)
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Actually Bloble I meant that I likely can't reply tonight. I knew why you're going there, never questioned it in the slightest.
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I swear I didn't forget to post just been busy then decided to hang back while you guys talked stuff out. Though I do wonder how my monster count into the character count.
Also now I got 4 more characters to do, should be fun splitting them up and having them mess with everyone.
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God's boner, I give my computer one tiny virus and a bazillion things happen in between that and me getting it fixed.
Anything in the discussion thread I NEED 2 NO? Because I stopped trying after I noticed three pages of the same old.
If not I'll just read the RP thread. kthx
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You know what, with my lacking in time even without viruses EATING ALL OF MY SHIT and the office whores making me work more than is legal at things that aren't even my job, I'm thinking that it would be more helpful and fair to all parties involved to have Ran and Lawrence fade to black, and give Magos back his character while I futz around with all of my shit miles away from my computer.
Though honestly, with my current shitty schedule (and the reintroduction of work that isn't shoveling(+shoveling)) and gf and my best bro going to paris soon so we have to get wasted every other night and marathon breaking bad on the nights where we don't get wasted, well...
I was considering the idea of dropping out of the RP. Settle the ongoing stuff (namely the banging and Satoshi's arresting and subsequent whatever the fuck), and then stop slowing people down because I'm busy as fuck.
In a perfect world my characters would just sort of be there somewhere and once things die down on my end I could rejoin, but that'd be the GM's call.
If not, then saturday is the only day where I really have a clear schedule and I'd be able to sit down and make an actual post. The other days I'm miles from my computer, and when I get home I'm in bed, or getting ready to go somewhere. This'd really slow things down for whoever's in the room with one of my characters though, which'd suck for them.
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Also dude Lantz Inferno Cop is riding that car, we were supposed to wait for the police station jails, when inferno cop was out of sight or sound.
IT WAS ALL IN THE PLAN
I know I wasn't here so it's partly my fault and it's totally my fault for the virus, but still.
THE PLAN
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True however Names while Satoshi isn't dying in jail (thus changing the crime scene, which imo would also give an opportunity for inferno cop to get into blues brothers esque shenanigans) you still have a mystery worthy of getting the CSI guys to interact with inferno cop and such. And if I'm right that was your major goal of the plan dude which I strived to keep intact upon what I assumed was a required exit.
I mean it's not like I ditched out during your sickness or the holidays bro. I waited quite awhile without word. When I absolutely had to leave I did what I could to keep the point alive and well.
also in regards to the fire if I missed describing it (and I think I might have) the fire should die out after a few moments. So inferno cop isn't in real danger.
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Magos, are you intending to reply to Kiyoshi, or should I just assume your character is ignoring him and move on so that everyone else can get going again?
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I'm intending to respond.
Also no guarantee of a game tonight. Work called me in so I'm not sure what state I'll be in to GM. Plus family and whatever else.
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OK, that's fine.
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For that matter, it'll be late if it happens.
OH, and we might have a new player.
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Well, that's good because I have to bring my laptop in again for fixing. Stupid wi-fi.
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Good luck with that Bloble. Hoping we'll have a game, for Names sake.
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I'll steal my brother's computer if I have to!
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In a perfect world my characters would just sort of be there somewhere and once things die down on my end I could rejoin, but that'd be the GM's call.
You know I would be perfectly fine with that if that needs to happen.
Your characters would be hanging out somewhere until you could rejoin.
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You know what, with my lacking in time even without viruses EATING ALL OF MY SHIT and the office whores making me work more than is legal at things that aren't even my job, I'm thinking that it would be more helpful and fair to all parties involved to have Ran and Lawrence fade to black, and give Magos back his character while I futz around with all of my shit miles away from my computer.
Though honestly, with my current shitty schedule (and the reintroduction of work that isn't shoveling(+shoveling)) and gf and my best bro going to paris soon so we have to get wasted every other night and marathon breaking bad on the nights where we don't get wasted, well...
I was considering the idea of dropping out of the RP. Settle the ongoing stuff (namely the banging and Satoshi's arresting and subsequent whatever the fuck), and then stop slowing people down because I'm busy as fuck.
In a perfect world my characters would just sort of be there somewhere and once things die down on my end I could rejoin, but that'd be the GM's call.
If not, then saturday is the only day where I really have a clear schedule and I'd be able to sit down and make an actual post. The other days I'm miles from my computer, and when I get home I'm in bed, or getting ready to go somewhere. This'd really slow things down for whoever's in the room with one of my characters though, which'd suck for them.
Yikes. D: Hope your computer gets better soon. :( And hope work lets up on you some too.
At least Paris sounds really fun for ya, so I hope that all goes well. :D
Here's also hoping Bloble's wi-fi gets fixed too. :)
And oooh, new player huh? Who could it be? :3
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OK, well, I should have a post soon. I'm considering whether to have Rider drop in right now, too....
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Hopefully the grammar is better in my recent post
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It's both no better and you still have the SAME FUCKING PROBLEM I SPELLED OUT EARLIER.
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lantz, your grammar's a little better (your capitalization is still kinda all over the place though), but....
This is what I meant about you having problems beyond your grammar. Bizarro Rin is really coming across as an unlikeable bitch here, and a lot of this stuff seems pulled out of nowhere. Plus what she's doing is too much and without Forest's permission no less. She should at least listen to Lancer, who is Forest's voice while Forest herself is gone.
I don't care if she's doing this to repay Forest, the way she's going about it is a frivolous waste of power, just throwing her money around, and completely inconsiderate considering she didn't even bother to ask permission. All of this just secured in my Rin's mind that this version of herself is terrible, she can see why "Sakura" came out to be such a bitch herself, and has now vowed to not follow this Rin's example, no matter how overpowered she may be.
In other words, lantz, like I said earlier, you've hardly learned anything. Elf herself pointed out this problem with your characters, and yet you have completely failed to heed it.
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Yikes. D: Hope your computer gets better soon. :( And hope work lets up on you some too.
At least Paris sounds really fun for ya, so I hope that all goes well. :D
Computer's fine now. Left it at my tech-savvy friend's place, he gave it back to me on my new year's party, fully formatted and functional and avast and shit reinstalled. What SUCKS is that I had a lot of stuff that I can't get back, like 3/5 of my fucking muscle wizard story (I had some on a USB key) and every single thing I ever wrote but never posted, including chapters in mid progress that I would probably have never gotten back to anyway.
The biggest annoyance is the muscle wizard stuff, because I was only ever going to start posting it once the arc was finished and I lost 30 000~ words out of close to 50 000.
Now how is Chad, underwear model and muscle wizard, suppose to bro it up with Lumberjack the woodland spirit, in the guise of the first human he saw, and face tree-eating trolls glamoured as humans in a paper factory? With difficulty, that's how.
And I'm not going to Paris, my best bro is. For six months. He's also the guy I hang out most with and I call him bro unjokingly, he is like a brother to me. Known him since we were 5. I'm going to get super lonely. And yes I have a gf, this is a different kind of lonely.
And Lantz... well, there was a reason for Satoshi taking swords up the ass at the station that I've already shared with you, so you know what whatever. Inferno Cop is going to see a shiny thing in the distance and go conquer new zealand or something. Do whatever with Satoshi the Lich. I mean, I had it planned so I could do other stuff with normal cops, but since I'm backing out for a while anyway, might as well not impede you.
And Magos told me he was K with fading to black, so... I guess I'll RP post now. ADHD in action, and blackscreen effect.
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Filing cupboards and bringing in a suitable table is not much at all.
frankly your double standards are annoying Alice.
Edit: my mistake names. Still I did my best to make it work
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Filing cupboards and bringing in a suitable table is not much at all.
frankly your double standards are annoying Alice.
She's violating the fundamental laws of the cosmos to remove the inconvenience of purchasing furniture.
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Which law is this Aiden? And further understand that I was suggested to bring a car through earlier by elf so the idea of a table being an issue is rather odd in comparison.
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Your Rin is literally wasting a miracle to remove one inconvenience she sees which really isn't bothering anyone else.
It's the principle of the thing. It's not that you're not allowed to do it, or that it's wrong to do something harmless in and of itself like bringing in furniture, but most of everyone (me included) thinks it's a bit of an insult to Rin's character to be frivolous and careless like that, to say the least.
All it's going to accomplish is making everyone else think very little or very badly of your Rin due to questionable writing of her character.
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Which law is this Aiden? And further understand that I was suggested to bring a car through earlier by elf so the idea of a table being an issue is rather odd in comparison.
She's using the Second Sorcery, which is a violation of natural law. It is something on the order of telling the laws of physics 'no, conservation of mass and energy is meaningless' or 'I use my power to violate the light-speed limit'.
As in, she is using something that is not meant to be used lightly ever for... something as common as bringing furniture in from another world. We're talking about a mystery that is dangerous (possibly to the point of death, or damaging reality in some way) in the hands of an ancient master, and she's using it to summon furniture. I don't know what Elf allowed or not before, but that goes past 'irresponsible' and into 'just plain unbelievably silly'. It's so much unlike any plausible version of Rin Tohsaka to do a thing like that, and I find myself unable to see her as an actual continuation or development of the one we see in the source material.
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Yet again you guys assume that's all she's bringing in, she said she needed space
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As in, she is using something that is not meant to be used lightly ever for... something as common as bringing furniture in from another world. We're talking about a mystery that is dangerous (possibly to the point of death, or damaging reality in some way) in the hands of an ancient master, and she's using it to summon furniture. I don't know what Elf allowed or not before, but that goes past 'irresponsible' and into 'just plain unbelievably silly'. It's so much unlike any plausible version of Rin Tohsaka to do a thing like that, and I find myself unable to see her as an actual continuation or development of the one we see in the source material.
Doesn't the Kaleidostick basically use the Second Magic to turn its owner into a Magical Girl...?
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Ruby is not Rin though?
Also the magical girl part is completely unnecessary. COMPLETELY
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Yeah, the complete lack of necessity of it is my point. Ruby does not take the Second Magic seriously at all, and the impression I get of Zelretch in general is that he doesn't. Using it for frivilrous stuff seems totally normal to me, although admittedly Rin doing it is different.
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Yet again you guys assume that's all she's bringing in, she said she needed space
Unless she's got some precious utterly invaluable and irreplaceable thing that she genuinely cannot live without, it remains a frivolous use of cosmic power.
As in, she is using something that is not meant to be used lightly ever for... something as common as bringing furniture in from another world. We're talking about a mystery that is dangerous (possibly to the point of death, or damaging reality in some way) in the hands of an ancient master, and she's using it to summon furniture. I don't know what Elf allowed or not before, but that goes past 'irresponsible' and into 'just plain unbelievably silly'. It's so much unlike any plausible version of Rin Tohsaka to do a thing like that, and I find myself unable to see her as an actual continuation or development of the one we see in the source material.
Doesn't the Kaleidostick basically use the Second Magic to turn its owner into a Magical Girl...?
I'm not sure how turning someone into a beam-spamming warrior of justice who happens to have an impractical uniform because the item is a sapient troll is somehow equivalent to summoning your household items across the boundaries of universes, in any case.
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Yeah, the complete lack of necessity of it is my point. Ruby does not take the Second Magic seriously at all, and the impression I get of Zelretch in general is that he doesn't. Using it for frivilrous stuff seems totally normal to me, although admittedly Rin doing it is different.
Rin isn't Zelretch either?
The most frivolously we've seen Rin use magic was to fix Shirou's window.
And for foreplay I guess, depending on what you call that scene at school where she shoots at Shirou.
But yeah my point is if two people don't take something seriously, doesn't mean everyone will. And the second isn't a toy, as Zelretch lost a whole lot of power after overusing it that one time. Rin doesn't have his experience with it, either. She wouldn't use it unless necessary. Using it for something so small is... wasteful. And Rin isn't wasteful, she's a hoarder.
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Yes Aiden exactly, not that she's going to actually tell anyone there about such an item
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Yes Aiden exactly, not that she's going to actually tell anyone there about such an item
... then couldn't she just quietly pull such an item to herself in the privacy of a bedroom where she doesn't have to make a spectacle of it in front of everyone else?
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She's using the magic to the maximum extent she can for one use. It's far more effective to get as many items in one trip as she can.
getting a single item is a waste when you can get ten with the same effort
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Sakura could probably have projected the materials if she didn't overexert herself earlier. Kinda ironic.
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Yet again you guys assume that's all she's bringing in, she said she needed space
Unless she's got some precious utterly invaluable and irreplaceable thing that she genuinely cannot live without, it remains a frivolous use of cosmic power.
So? If doing something is easy for her (and I'm not saying it is), then why should she only use it in exceptional cases? The fact that she's breaking the laws of physics is irrelevant, all that matters is how difficult and/or dangerous it is for her to actually do it, and whether her desire to achieve the thing she's trying to achieve outweighs that difficulty.
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lantz, this whole thing is stupid. It's like Aiden, YOLF and Nachos all pointed out (all of you continue to be awesomes~ :3), it's wasting a freaking Miracle that's potentially really dangerous for something as frivolous as bringing in a bunch of furniture and beer crates and crap. And it's NOT to be used lightly. Plus throwing around power and money so frivolously in front of freaking everyone is not within Rin's character at all. She's really frugal, and is pretty conservative about her magic until, you know, she actually needs it for the most part. It's a pretty blatant insult to Rin's character.
Plus the fact remains that this is being done without Forest's permission. Don't you think Forest kinda deserves, you know, the right to know about something as big as a freaking portal being created in her kitchen?
This is a problem with a good number of your characters, lantz. There's been more than a number of abuses of power, and it's God Modding. Honestly, I know everyone must be sick of me saying this by this point, but I do think there should be bare minimum some sort of GM administered punishment for this.
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Alice you're using the term wrong
God modding is using outside information inside an RP
It's like if say I made a super ninja called gaidenryu shadowdarkness and I had him skulking in the shadows, observing some guy's RP character, and then the player suddenly goes "I FLASH MUH FLASHLIGHT AT THE CORNER WHERE SHADOWDARKNESS IS" even though his character should have no idea he's there, just because he thinks he should be allowed to be retarded.
Which he is, but if he's retarded in anyone's general direction we're perfectly allowed to tell him to find a bag of dicks and choke on it.
The closest Lantz has come to this is having Satoshi bring up buying the deeds to the lands he built his castle on after we butted heads about it here. And that was shut down pretty fast, because of the law not working that way.
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It's called hiding in plain sight, activating the miracle privately would present questions. Getting an important item among an assortment of mundane ones is good sense.
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Can we not use the word 'faggot' outside the original context of 'bundle of sticks', please? Thanks.
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Oops sorry, sometimes I forget I'm desensitized to that kind of stuff and other people aren't. I'll change it.
Really sorry man
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Oops sorry, sometimes I forget I'm desensitized to that kind of stuff and other people aren't. I'll change it.
Really sorry man
Thanks. No harm done!
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Ahh, OK- sorry about that Nachos. ^_^" In many ways I'm still a noob to RPing, so I'm still getting the lingo down. My bad.
My basic point still stands though that lantz's characters have a habit of using their powers in ridiculous and unnecessary ways that's an abuse of power, even if it's not God Modding. And it should still be dealt with.
And lantz... lantz, that doesn't justify anything.
To divert from this momentarily, sorry to hear that, Nachos. :( Even without a trip to Paris, hope things start getting better for you soon, and that work decides to take it far easier on you. :)
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She's getting special items Alice, that does justify it.
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Then why didn't she take those with her in the first place? It's not like Rin to be that unprepared. So it's not much of a justification, really.
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The situation is rather irregular. It calls for special equipment beyond what she brought with her. Rin is not batman
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That's actually metagaming when you use outside information. So what Lantz just did is Godmodding.
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That's actually metagaming when you use outside information. So what Lantz just did is Godmodding.
What "outside information"?
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Hm, I was always taught that what I said up there was godmodding. As in, your character is somehow omniscient of everything. Like a god.
I guess it's been a while since I learned my terms.
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...Uh, lantz. What special equipment is she needing here and why? And why wasn't she able to bring it with her in the first place?
This is already setting me on edge...
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Hm, I was always taught that what I said up there was godmodding. As in, your character is somehow omniscient of everything. Like a god.
I guess it's been a while since I learned my terms.
Well, meta-gaming is using OOC knowledge or reasoning to act ICly. God-modding is doing things you shouldn't be able to or controlling other characters. What Lantz is doing right now is neither.
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he blew up my car
or maybe I did that I dunno I read his post and it said something about explosions so I had my car explode
Would've made my car explode anyway
My car was an NPC btw
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By outside information, I mean information your character wouldn't know in character. That's metagaming. A minor amount will happen anyway somewhat, but what lantz did was pretty blatant godmodding, not metagaming to the extent where it is actually metagaming, though it does have some metagaming involved in it.
Also mike, get in the room!
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It wasn't an explosion names, not in the kaboom,sense, I was being flowery with the words, it was blood exploding out his chest and then lighting on fire.
I'm not god modding or meta gaming.
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that sounds metal as fuck just saying
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Whatever my car still blew up
would have made it happen anyway
But you did slightly metagame with the deed stuff, as Satoshi had never brought it up before I said I'd arrest him on it OOC.
Whatever though the past is the past, Inferno Cop is invading the hobbitses
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Inferno Cop is going to rock the Shire?
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He's going to conquer new zealand
It's where they filmed all the movies right?
He saw a billboard poster and decided it looked cool, so HE'S OFF TO CONQUER
there is precedent for this with him: the pyramids.
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With the god modding I was more talking about the shit with Rin but whatever.
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With the god modding I was more talking about the shit with Rin but whatever.
I don't see how it is, though. It's entirely plausible for her to be able to summon in a table, even if it's not necessarily in-character for normal Rin.
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With the god modding I was more talking about the shit with Rin but whatever.
I don't see how it is, though. It's entirely plausible for her to be able to summon in a table, even if it's not necessarily in-character for normal Rin.
I don't think he's referring to the table there...
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Meet Deacon Frost- the head of a lot of the vampire related activity in town.
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Meet Deacon Frost- the head of a lot of the vampire related activity in town.
Ah, just as I remember him from the movie.
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Movie?
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Movie?
Deacon Frost is the villain from the movie Blade.
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So, Frost sniping and giving orders from a roof? Max is definitely going to notice that.
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So, Frost sniping and giving orders from a roof? Max is definitely going to notice that.
Not sniping, but giving orders on a roof.
Let's just say that there are other vampires armed with AK47s shooting the shit out of Downy's dudes.
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Not sniping, but giving orders on a roof.
Let's just say that there are other vampires armed with AK47s shooting the shit out of Downy's dudes.
Noted! I didn't read it with my full attention on it, so sorry for misunderstanding it.
Was just wondering how far away he and the shooters were, since Max is probably one or two rooftops away from the one where the battle is occurring, since he has hidden himself.
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Just a Ryoko post for now so Mike can post. Rest of my post should be forthcoming shortly afterwards. :)
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So is deacon pre blade or reincarnated after the blood god thing?
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lantz, now I know you're metagaming for sure. Rin never said anything about frugality out loud. This combined with the portal crap is making me lose all of the very little patience I have with you.
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It doesn't have to do with what you've had her say Alice. Rin is trying to not say out loud that she's bringing in certain items, as she said jack is her enemy. She's trying to say that she's not using the second for random inconvenience X.
the word frugal just makes sense to come from Rin. It sounds like her vocabulary
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So is deacon pre blade or reincarnated after the blood god thing?
The answer you are looking for is in the first post introducing him.
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Lantz, what happened to Connor and Taiga?
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It doesn't have to do with what you've had her say Alice. Rin is trying to not say out loud that she's bringing in certain items, as she said jack is her enemy. She's trying to say that she's not using the second for random inconvenience X.
the word frugal just makes sense to come from Rin. It sounds like her vocabulary
...Except she is using the second for random inconvenience X. So your explanation is certainly metagaming and also hilariously wrong. I mean seriously Lantz, its like you ignore every point everyone makes about this being stupid.
As to what happened to Connor and Taiga, it is a mystery.
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It doesn't have to do with what you've had her say Alice. Rin is trying to not say out loud that she's bringing in certain items, as she said jack is her enemy. She's trying to say that she's not using the second for random inconvenience X.
the word frugal just makes sense to come from Rin. It sounds like her vocabulary
...Except she is using the second for random inconvenience X. So your explanation is certainly metagaming and also hilariously wrong. I mean seriously Lantz, its like you ignore every point everyone makes about this being stupid.
She's not using the second for "random inconvenience X", though. Lantz already explained that. And, if it is meta-gaming it's no more so than a bunch of stuff other people have done.
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Erm, Magos, Alice, Rider isn't even in the house yet, let alone in the kitchen....
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...I think I spelled out he moved into the doorway.
She's not using the second for "random inconvenience X", though. Lantz already explained that. And, if it is meta-gaming it's no more so than a bunch of stuff other people have done.
Except it IS using the second for "random inconvenience X." No, really. She doesn't need to do any of that shit and honestly it'd be less of a waste to just go out and BUY THAT SHIT rather than using the magic to summon it from another dimension which is a waste.
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True, although it sounded like you were making it out to be quite a short journey.
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Yeah, my bad on that one.
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Except it IS using the second for "random inconvenience X." No, really. She doesn't need to do any of that shit and honestly it'd be less of a waste to just go out and BUY THAT SHIT rather than using the magic to summon it from another dimension which is a waste.
No, because she's also bringing in something else. Lantz just doesn't want to tell you what....
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Indeed, already cleared the items with elf in fact. It's called misdirection. Older Rin looks like a fool but later has secret weapons and the like. Subterfuge because war, war never changes
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Jack's not taking chances here. He needs to get a judge of Riders tendency to violence and feeding. And if she's a threat to him or his turf, he's going to make sure she knows who's boss there.
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I think that would work somewhat better if Rider wasn't a fallen goddess and heroic spirit who can almost certainly kick his ass with little difficulty (especially if he's not in Frenzy)....
She's not likely to attack him, though, except possibly as a misunderstanding. She's generally sympathetic towards vampires and the like because, well, she's a monster herself.
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I think that would work somewhat better if Rider wasn't a fallen goddess and heroic spirit who can almost certainly kick his ass with little difficulty (especially if he's not in Frenzy)....
She's not likely to attack him, though, except possibly as a misunderstanding. She's generally sympathetic towards vampires and the like because, well, she's a monster herself.
You're implying that Jack knows this at all. To him, she's probably an Apostle, and thus a chump that can't even freaking have a decent amount of elder vampires. And he's willing to listen to reason.
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Nah, I wasn't implying that Jack was acting OOC or stupidly here, just that his plan has a rather fatal flaw.
Still, Rider has no real reason to fight him. She won't be too pleased about the whole "trying to eat Sakura" thing (true or not, she'll trust Taiga and Kiyoshi over him), but the distance in relationship from her own master is enough that she won't go mad over it.
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He's not planning on fighting her. The knuckles are for if she snaps at him. Faster than producing the claws in a pinch
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Fair enough.
Also, I've posted with Kiyoshi, but not Rider quite yet. Rider will be done soon.
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OK, edited in Rider's post.
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The Vampire Dimension.
The. Vampire. Dimension.
Lantz, that is so stupid I couldn't breath laughing so hard.
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Arch, Rider isn't in her battle outfit right now. She's wearing her casual clothes.
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Editing it. Sorry, wasn't sure.
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That's OK, half the time I'm not even sure....
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Right.
Also, Vampire fucking dimension. I can't get over how stupid that sounds, I'm sorry.
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Rider should just go around naked. It would be best for everyone.
And damn it Mike, I got some awesome mental image of Forest in bondage at Rider's little fantasy.
The Vampire Dimension is where people on Dragon Ball Z go after Vegeta "Sends them to another dimension".
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What a dreadful punishment.
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Also, if you go into Forest's office, the "Army of Darkness" poster must be noticed!
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Rider should just go around naked. It would be best for everyone.
And damn it Mike, I got some awesome mental image of Forest in bondage at Rider's little fantasy.
The Vampire Dimension is where people on Dragon Ball Z go after Vegeta "Sends them to another dimension".
>Forest in bondage
...She's sorta rape bait already, why hasn't it happened yet?'
Also, if you go into Forest's office, the "Army of Darkness" poster must be noticed!
Will do.
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And damn it Mike, I got some awesome mental image of Forest in bondage at Rider's little fantasy.
Yeah, lol, so did Rider :)
>Forest in bondage
...She's sorta rape bait already, why hasn't it happened yet?'
Well, none of us are really playing characters who would do it, at least to Forest....
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Uhhh, well Angra kinda would, just because evil.
and the vampire dimension is an index name. The story has a lot of locations and I got sick of awesome monikers after awhile
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Uhhh, well Angra kinda would, just because evil.
Really? The impression you gave me was that Angra wouldn't do stuff like that. Plus, she's unlikely to get hold of Forest anyway....
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Well I meant more on principle because she's evil she might, not that it matters much as you said mike, not likely to get a hold of her
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Uhhh, well Angra kinda would, just because evil.
and the vampire dimension is an index name. The story has a lot of locations and I got sick of awesome monikers after awhile
It's also a stupid idea. A really stupid idea.
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Erm, Magos, Alice, Rider isn't even in the house yet, let alone in the kitchen....
...Crap. You think I'd be able to edit to account for that OK?
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Erm, Magos, Alice, Rider isn't even in the house yet, let alone in the kitchen....
...Crap. You think I'd be able to edit to account for that OK?
I think it should be fine, no-one else reacted to it.
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I'd say the vampire dimension sounds almost as dumb as Marvel Zombies or that one movie where the entire world is vampires.
Sorry lantz, just telling it like it is.
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Index name bloble, it's not literal.
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Index name bloble, it's not literal.
Then don't use it in your posts.
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Edited the offending Ryoko/Rin post. Made it so it's clear that Ryoko heard Rider speaking in the other room as opposed to seeing her. ...She has quite keen hearing when it comes to her Auntie Rider. :P
Also deleted the part where Rin greets Rider entirely.
Also, what Aiden said.
lantz, that's what I meant about it being far more than your grammar. Ridiculous stuff like the whole mundane usage of the Second fiasco and this ridiculous shorthand/terminology Lin is using (the "Silent Outrage" thing in reference to Dark Archer is also part of this) is a good part of why your posts become difficult for people to read. Plus there's no buildup to this stuff. Just because you know your universe doesn't mean anyone else does. And don't bring up Nasuverse as a defense, because your universe so vaguely resembles it that it's not a valid comparison in the slightest.
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Not what I meant by index name Aiden
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Then what the fuck did you mean!?!?
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Magos, allow me to handle this.
Will you clarify what you meant, lantz?
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I would like to. However the evidence suggests that no matter what I say I will be verbally abused. As such Aiden I'll refrain from answering. However thank you for your polite request and I'm sorry I couldn't answer.
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lantz, you're being paranoid. You're only making this worse for yourself. You keep doing the worst things you could do in light of everything that's been said.
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Post sometime soon, Milbunk? :3
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I would like to. However the evidence suggests that no matter what I say I will be verbally abused. As such Aiden I'll refrain from answering. However thank you for your polite request and I'm sorry I couldn't answer.
That Magos is insisting on being abrasive and accusatory doesn't change that the explanation is the right thing to give here, lantz.
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It's not just Arch Aiden. If it were I would answer.
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...If the other person is me, lantz, one, real damn stupid move, and two, you're doing yourself in more by not explaining anything than you are by doing so. Just because I probably won't like what answers you give doesn't mean you shouldn't at least try.
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Well Satoshi got over a car exploding around his body real fast. Huh.
Anyway...
>Vampire Dimension
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I would line up with the others in that I'm confused over the meaning of "index name" though. In the meantime, I'll just keep thinking that "vampire dimension" was just his way of referring to a world where everyone has a retarded sparkling hunk as a pet.
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...If the other person is me, lantz, one, real damn stupid move
Alice, what is this meant to mean?
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It means if lantz continues to treat me with no respect whatsoever like this (like he has over the past 4-5 months), and if he continues doing this bullshit without end, with no respect to anyone else, I may be forced to do something rather drastic...
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Alice calm down.
I think Satoshi nicknamed one of the multiple dimensions he traveled in "The Vampire Dimension" because he probably met up with a lot of vampires in it.
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It means if lantz continues to treat me with no respect whatsoever like this, and if he continues doing this bullshit without end, with no respect to anyone else, I may be forced to do something rather drastic...
Sorry, but being an admin does not entitle you to any more respect than anyone else, not on any forum owned by me anyway. Lantz has to listen to you in your admin role, yes, but being an admin does not give you any special privileges when it comes to normal discussions. Lantz is fully entitled to ignore you and he's fully entitled to dislike your opinion. The fact that you consider what he said objectionable only if it applies to you means it cannot be objectionable at all.
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Alice calm down.
I think Satoshi nicknamed one of the multiple dimensions he traveled in "The Vampire Dimension" because he probably met up with a lot of vampires in it.
I figured that was the case too?
Satoshi has terrible naming sense, but that's besides the point.
Also, can we all try and keep our moods cool?
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Yeah, that seems likely, although I'm not sure why that would be the case....
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Actually Satoshi didn't name it. Just to correct that misconception
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I suppose "vampire dimension" is just his offhand way of referring to the place then?
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Alice calm down.
Also, can we all try and keep our moods cool?
Sorry... This whole thing's been eating at me for the past week.
Sorry, but being an admin does not entitle you to any more respect than anyone else, not on any forum owned by me anyway. Lantz has to listen to you in your admin role, yes, but being an admin does not give you any special privileges when it comes to normal discussions. Lantz is fully entitled to ignore you and he's fully entitled to dislike your opinion. The fact that you consider what he said objectionable only if it applies to you means it cannot be objectionable at all.
Mike, he's treated me with no damn respect period, and you damn well know it. He'd be treating me the same damn way whether I was an admin or not. So it's kind of irrelevant, but it'd help if, you know, I could at least have some damn respect from him from at least that fact alone instead of him treating me (and a lot of other people too) like shit and causing mess after mess after mess after mess on these forums for 4-5 months.
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It's one of three, that's why he said a and not the. Although it is named the vampire dimension in the index, he just didn't name it that.
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...Then why the fuck is it called the vampire dimension?
And Mike - the fact that he can blatantlly insult the moderation staff and ignore their mandates is a bad thing for the health of the forum. If Lantz can do shit that would, in any other forum get him banned (Extreme disrespect to the community at large, ignoring moderation requests, and oh so much more) without consequence, it sends a bad message. There should be consequences to his pretty blatant disrespect of multiple users, myself and Alice included.
Seriously. He violates the first rule of this forum like fucking clockwork with his RP posts and posts like this, his general attitude towards criticism and more.
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Indexes are usually at least a little professional sounding. Vampire dimension, while perhaps a fitting name for a subsection for dimensions ruled by vampires directly or otherwise, is not professional sounding in the least when referring to a singular dimension.
It instead sounds incredibly silly, and makes one doubt if this index is written by a child.
Just airing the general(from what I gathered) grievance at the name.
Oh yeah, happy new year's everyone!
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And Mike - the fact that he can blatantlly insult the moderation staff and ignore their mandates is a bad thing for the health of the forum. If Lantz can do shit that would, in any other forum get him banned (Extreme disrespect to the community at large, ignoring moderation requests, and oh so much more) without consequence, it sends a bad message. There should be consequences to his pretty blatant disrespect of multiple users, myself and Alice included.
Magos, by the same logic I deserve to be banned from BL and pretty much every other forum I have been on. I am not a hypocrite and I will not expect others to act as I myself do not.
And, frankly, if you're talking about banning people for disrespect you would be the first to go, given your attitude to Lantz (and to me on occasion). You show him far more disrespect than he shows to anyone else.
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It's one of three, that's why he said a and not the. Although it is named the vampire dimension in the index, he just didn't name it that.
I'm confused. If he didn't name it that, and it isn't a general name he uses for it, does that mean someone else named it that and he just calls it the same?
And Mike - the fact that he can blatantlly insult the moderation staff and ignore their mandates is a bad thing for the health of the forum. If Lantz can do shit that would, in any other forum get him banned (Extreme disrespect to the community at large, ignoring moderation requests, and oh so much more) without consequence, it sends a bad message. There should be consequences to his pretty blatant disrespect of multiple users, myself and Alice included.
Seriously. He violates the first rule of this forum like fucking clockwork with his RP posts and posts like this, his general attitude towards criticism and more.
It's less direct disrespect of its own and more lack of acknowledgement of the warnings of the moderators and other users - which is disrespectful in its own way. I suspect if lantz showed himself to be a little more receptive, we wouldn't even be having this argument again.
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To be fair on the admin/mod stuff, when an official moderator demand is made (For example discontinuing an argument which is going nowhere and waits on the GM), Lantz usually complies.
Outside of posts where the admins say "Admin action" or "Official warning" though, Lantz just treats the admins as normal users.
Him butting heads with alice isn't him butting heads with the moderation/administration, it's him butting heads with Alice only.
No comment on the other stuff.
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And Mike - the fact that he can blatantlly insult the moderation staff and ignore their mandates is a bad thing for the health of the forum. If Lantz can do shit that would, in any other forum get him banned (Extreme disrespect to the community at large, ignoring moderation requests, and oh so much more) without consequence, it sends a bad message. There should be consequences to his pretty blatant disrespect of multiple users, myself and Alice included.
Magos, by the same logic I deserve to be banned from BL and pretty much every other forum I have been on. I am not a hypocrite and I will not expect others to act as I myself do not.
And, frankly, if you're talking about banning people for disrespect you would be the first to go, given your attitude to Lantz (and to me on occasion). You show him far more disrespect than he shows to anyone else.
Oh, my disrespect is easy to see, and I'm not proud of it, but like Alice, mine isn't one that comes from nothing.
Lantz has repeatedly shown us less and less respect for simply pointing out errors, through his grevious offenses to the basic structure of flow and language, ignoring our simple advice about basic tenets of being a half decent author. When he shows us no respect, well, ever, and repeatedly ignores us because we're 'HOSTILE AND SLANDEROUS' or whatever else he claims, and even ignores you.
Basically, he shows us no respect, ignores our requests to at least attempt to improve, and seems to view everyone who ever offers him a hint of negative opinion on his work as immediately worth nothing opinion wise and as hostile to him.
He's really only harming himself through this but he's pissing us the fuck off while doing it through blatantly refusing to even make a fucking effort about it is disrespectful in the extreme.
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To be fair on the admin/mod stuff, when an official moderator demand is made (For example discontinuing an argument which is going nowhere and waits on the GM), Lantz usually complies.
Outside of posts where the admins say "Admin action" or "Official warning" though, Lantz just treats the admins as normal users.
Him butting heads with alice isn't him butting heads with the moderation/administration, it's him butting heads with Alice only.
No comment on the other stuff.
Yep, exactly.
Lantz is far more compliant with admin and moderator demands than most other members are, and way, way more compliant than I am on other forums. How he treats Alice outside of that is irrelevant, unless it goes beyond what would be acceptable even if he were dealing with a normal user.
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To be fair on the admin/mod stuff, when an official moderator demand is made (For example discontinuing an argument which is going nowhere and waits on the GM), Lantz usually complies.
Outside of posts where the admins say "Admin action" or "Official warning" though, Lantz just treats the admins as normal users.
Him butting heads with alice isn't him butting heads with the moderation/administration, it's him butting heads with Alice only.
No comment on the other stuff.
He blew me off on the admin stuff some too though, is the problem. He doesn't even respect me in that capacity. And he never has.
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To be fair on the admin/mod stuff, when an official moderator demand is made (For example discontinuing an argument which is going nowhere and waits on the GM), Lantz usually complies.
Outside of posts where the admins say "Admin action" or "Official warning" though, Lantz just treats the admins as normal users.
Him butting heads with alice isn't him butting heads with the moderation/administration, it's him butting heads with Alice only.
No comment on the other stuff.
He blew me off on the admin stuff some too though, is the problem. He doesn't even respect me in that capacity. And he never has.
He has on occasion, yes, but then so has Magos and so have I. That just happens sometimes, when you're in the middle of an argument.
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The problem is that Lantz REPEATEDLY ignores Alice when she acts in a moderator capacity.
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The problem is that Lantz REPEATEDLY ignores Alice when she acts in a moderator capacity.
No, he doesn't. I do not recall him doing so any more often than everyone else.
For one thing, he can't argue with himself. If he is continuing the argument then so are you....
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Speaking of mod interruptions, hey-oh!
This isn't the thread to be talking about this in the first place. Talk about the RP or nothing at all. All conversations can be continued in PMs, Skype and in the case of the lovely ladies, my bedroom.
Failure to stay on topic will make me sad.
"Official Moderator Post" "Official Warning"
Now people know it's srs bsns
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I'm cringing at seeing this thread go here. Again.
Such replies
MISTAKES WERE MADE
much ado about nothing
Now can we put the argument behind us, because we all know we're going to get nowhere with it?
So basically, what Names said.
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You know what this RP needs?
MORE PORN.
That's, you know, not written by Alice and myself.
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You sir, YOLF, got admin-sniped.
To speak of the RP though, this may be a really random question but Elf, do you have any plans of involving New Zealand at any time or is Inferno Cop free to do whatever in middle earth while I'm dropped?
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You know what this RP needs?
MORE PORN.
That's, you know, not written by Alice and myself.
Well, I still need to beta-read the last one with Lantz, and there should be another one coming up sometime soon. It'd be interesting to have Rider do porn with someone other than Lantz at some point too, though....
The rest of my characters are unfortunately not sexually available, at least not for consensual sex with other characters. Aoi is married, as are Sakura and Shirou, and Kiyoshi is too young.
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Mike.
Lantz has shown that hes as a user, pretty freaking toxic to the community. He acts like a spoiled child 90% of the time here, and never seems to realize that why we dislike him is not because that's what we've all decided to do in some big community thing, its because he well, acts like a spoiled kid and is well, a freaking toxic presence. We dislike his writing because it is frankly, atrocious on a technical and plot level. When you can't even get basic grammatical lessons down, why should we like your stuff and praise it? And when we point this out, he both ignores us and then calls it slander (Which is also the wrong word) and then freaking goes and does it again and again as if this time it might actually be decent.
He assumes we know EVERYTHING about his characters when we barely know any about them and they sound all the same. They aren't as much characters as they are plot devices or objects. None of them are dynamic, none of them seem to learn or act organically. The fact that his story has only barely been posted here so we can't actually see any of the development (which I doubt exists) that apparently takes place.
EDIT: Oh shit missed Names post.
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So, what was that you were saying about ignoring Admin proclaimations...?
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I have a hard time believing you started that before I made my admin post, but I know how erasing and rewriting things a million times works so if you tell me that you did start writing it beforehand, I will believe you.
Whether you did or didn't, stop right there.
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I missed name's post there :(
And we were going to have porn not done by Alice and Elf but Nachos had Real Life intrude.
I have a hard time believing you started that before I made my admin post, but I know how erasing and rewriting things a million times works so if you tell me that you did start writing it beforehand, I will believe you.
Whether you did or didn't, stop right there.
I did start that. I kinda had to rewrite it about five times and my posting speed isn't really all that fast all the time.
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Erm, do you not get the warning about a new reply being posted? Saying "I didn't see it" isn't really much of an excuse (although I would not delete a post I had already written for that reason, so I can't complain too much...).
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Erm, do you not get the warning about a new reply being posted? Saying "I didn't see it" isn't really much of an excuse (although I would not delete a post I had already written for that reason, so I can't complain too much...).
I did see it and it said "FIVE POSTS" so I said FUCK IT and posted it anyway.
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Elf, the reason 90% of the porn is coming from you and Alice is because you're the two most perverted, horny people on the site. Just saying.
But I am a reasonable man! Let it be known henceforth that Bloble is willing to write pornography for the good of this forum! Come forth, he/she who dares to metaphorically craft a story of majestic copulation alongside me, and henceforth we shall proceed to create a work of art the likes of which the internet has never seen before!
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To be fair, even with the warning, that doesn't mean it's the first post you see, nor does it guarantee you pay attention to it. In fact, I always post, in spite of the warning.
EDIT: Like so...
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Well, yeah, me too.
I am not really complaining at Magos about it so much as I am pointing out that Lantz is certainly not the only person who posts after admin warnings....
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You sir, YOLF, got admin-sniped.
I noticed, I just wanted to post anyways! Y'know, to be reasonable and throw a joke in there and stuff.
You know what this RP needs?
MORE PORN.
That's, you know, not written by Alice and myself.
Huu.... let's see if there's any chemistry between Max and another character.
Also, you reminded me I should get to work on my hatesex project once I'm done with exams.
And see that Elf! Bloble is willing to contribute!
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Elf, the reason 90% of the porn is coming from you and Alice is because you're the two most perverted, horny people on the site. Just saying.
But I am a reasonable man! Let it be known henceforth that Bloble is willing to write pornography for the good of this forum! Come forth, he/she who dares to metaphorically craft a story of majestic copulation alongside me, and henceforth we shall proceed to create a work of art the likes of which the internet has never seen before!
...My reputation as a pure maiden... ;_;
Also, people who say that women lack sex drives compared to men should look at this post for a moment, and then consider that Elf and I are (currently, as of this post) the only two active female posters on the site. :P ...how ironic considering I lacked one up until less than a year ago.
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Well, yeah, me too.
I am not really complaining at Magos about it so much as I am pointing out that Lantz is certainly not the only person who posts after admin warnings....
While he isn't, the facts still remain.
But thats a matter for PM's.
Also yes, finally the Hatesex will happen!
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Nothing's wrong with being perverted and horny!
And on that note, I had a funny thought. Imagine the hilarious reactions of certain FSN characters upon meeting Bones and learning he can conjure mana potions quote unquote.
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oh god why is this suddenly a hentai
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>ITSHAPPENING.jpg
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oh god why is this suddenly a hentai
Bow chika wow wow
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Elf, the reason 90% of the porn is coming from you and Alice is because you're the two most perverted, horny people on the site. Just saying.
I really don't think that's true, I'm just lazy and have not-much free time right now....
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To speak of the RP though, this may be a really random question but Elf, do you have any plans of involving New Zealand at any time or is Inferno Cop free to do whatever in middle earth while I'm dropped?
Feel free to terrorize some hobbits and molest Orlando Bloom.
You have my blessing.
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Eh, molesting Orlando Bloom is overrated.
Viggo Mortensen is where it's at.
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Hmm, Arch, what is Jack talking about when he says Rider "totally submitted" to a human? I mean, she did submit to Toshi sexually, but she's not subserviant to him in general, and Jack wouldn't know that anyway. Or is he referring to Sakura, in which case how does he know?
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The fact that she seems to be obeying his orders, and he can smell some of him on her, though the blood smell is her primary scent.
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I'm not sure how the way she is acting there comes across as obeying orders rather than supporting a friend. Although it's entirely plausible that he'd be able to tell they'd had sex, although technically she did briefly change back into her battle outfit and I think doing that would clean her up like going into spiritual form would.
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I'm not sure how the way she is acting there comes across as obeying orders rather than supporting a friend. Although it's entirely plausible that he'd be able to tell they'd had sex, although technically she did briefly change back into her battle outfit and I think doing that would clean her up like going into spiritual form would.
It's more that she's submitting to a mortals request when a fellow vampire is asking for privacy. Something Jack dislikes. Kin before Kine.
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Ah, OK. So, basically, it's him working on the assumption she's a vampire.
What's he going to do when he finds out she's not...?
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Well, she kinda IS. She's just not an Apostle.
Think about it, she's an undead supernatural concept that drinks blood (and through it prana) to survive.
She's a freaking vampire, by most definitions of it. She's Kin, if not Kindred in his mind. Strange Kin, if the Beasts growling at her is slightly restrained, but still Kin.
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Well, yeah, Rider herself did admit she was sort-of a vampire.
There's no chance in hell she's keeping any of his crap secret, though, her loyalty is to Sakura first and foremost and then to herself and other people she knows and cares about, she has none whatsoever to "kin". Not that she's stupid enough to tell him that....
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Rider wouldn't survive long in WoD then, Vampires are VERY protective of their secrets for a damn good reason. And he's really only going to tell her a few things -
She feeds on his territory, without permission, there will be blood. Frost is bad m'kay, and that if he even gets a whisper of schoolgirls getting drained to death she will never, ever, EVER see him coming.
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Spirit form is a wonderful thing.
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Rider wouldn't survive long in WoD then, Vampires are VERY protective of their secrets for a damn good reason.
Yeah, well, Rider isn't in WoD. And, she's perfectly protective of her own secrets, she doesn't exactly go around advertising that she's Medusa after all. She just isn't going to protect his when doing so will disadvantage those she cares about.
And he's really only going to tell her a few things -
She feeds on his territory, without permission, there will be blood. Frost is bad m'kay, and that if he even gets a whisper of schoolgirls getting drained to death she will never, ever, EVER see him coming.
And she's going to laugh at him, at least mentally. For one thing, if any schoolgirls turn up drained to death as a result of her actions she'd be far more bothered about Sakura's response than his. He likely can't do jack shit to her, she's too fast.
Also, frankly, if any schoolgirls do show up drained it's probably not because of Rider. I would imagine that most vampires don't bother that much about who they attack....
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Speed doesn't matter when you will never see him coming.
Obsfucate is an even more wonderful thing sometimes. All he needs to do is get a good grip on Rider and things get very bad for her very fast.
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I would be surprised if he was capable of killing Rider in that manner (particularly given her ability to go into spirit form if necessary), and if he is then he is really OP because there is literally no way for anyone to fight back.
Also, he is being rather presumptive here, in assuming that any schoolgirls attacked are her fault. The attitude he's taking is getting him dangerously close to "this guy is too dangerous, just kill him now", especially if she knew his true abilities.
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Once he attacks someone, Obsfucate deactivates for a little bit IIRC. It's one of those little things.
Really, Jack has his weaknesses, but it isn't going to be easy to take him out through the sheer variety of ways he can attack, retreat, and escape.
Kindred are terrifying opponents when they fight smart.
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Wod vampires aren't that strong, there's no way they can drop a hero in one hit, especially Rider
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Once he attacks someone, Obsfucate deactivates for a little bit IIRC. It's one of those little things.
Well, yes, but that isn't exactly helpful if the person is already dead at that point. You are saying that you made a character that can literally one-hit kill pretty much any character in the game with no way for us to even try to defend ourselves....
Really, Jack has his weaknesses, but it isn't going to be easy to take him out through the sheer variety of ways he can attack, retreat, and escape.
Kindred are terrifying opponents when they fight smart.
I would be amazed if Jack could come close to defeating Rider in a straight fight. It's possible that he could escape, but she is seriously quick.
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To be fair, any Servant would have physical attributes of 5 or exponentially higher in NWoD.
Actually, I wonder if Kindred can even harm Servants with weapons that are not supernatural in some way. Or even with their bare hands. It comes back to the whole "can mundane weapons hurt a servant when it is materialized" debate.
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On the contrary. They totally fucking can. Nosforatu and Daeva are naturally stronger through Vigor, and at higher levels this can mean 15(!!!!!!!) dots in strength.
That's basically hitting with the force of a freaking semi-truck... without adding what happens when you activate Vigor. You can throw fully loaded trailer trucks at people... without activating Vigor. Even some weaker Nosferatu are known to be able to rip the heads off of people like they were teddy bears.
This isn't getting into freaking Caine AKA The guy with the stats which literally say "YOU FUCKING LOSE," and the rest of the oWoD's Antediluvians. Or the individual bloodline disciplines like Dementation or the Anti-Luck one or the blood sorcery the covenants are able to access. Or Count 'Motherfucking' Dracula.
Basically Kindred are some of the nastiest and strongest things in the World of Darkness before you get into stuff like Mages, Demons, and Sin Eaters (Who fucking cheat, all of them)
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I am pretty sure that Rider could do all those things too, actually. And she's pretty weak for a servant.
Also, there is a question about whether a servant can be harmed with a mundane weapon at all, given that it's not being wielded by a spiritual entity. The game is not entirely clear on that.
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Considering in some ways vampires are supernatural and spiritual entities (They can devour SOULS) I'd say that some disciplines do allow them to harm servants. Protean for example, or just through sucking their blood and prana out until they die.
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Magos is blowing it out of proportion a little. But yeah, vampires from WoD can be scary.
And yes, the novel was kind of confusing about that.
The claws of protean are specifically noted to be supernatural, so yes. They should be able to damage Servants.
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Servants don't have blood....
Also, if all-else fails they can go into spiritual mode. I don't think Jack could follow her into that.
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No wait a minute, Servants definitely bleed what are you talking about
Of course, they're still spirits, but when materialized they bleed like everything else that's alive.
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They do. Sorta. Scenes in the VN prove this remember? They can bleed. And even if they don't they can still suck them of prana (vitae is basically the same stuff.)
While he can't, there's stuff that Kindred have that CAN.
Just thank god Jack isn't a Sangiovanni.
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They bleed, they don't have blood, as such. Specifically, they can't bleed to death no matter how much damage they've sustained (although they can die from prana loss).
And, I'm not saying no Kindred could fight Rider, but I would be surprised if there were many that could defeat her.
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Even in that case, congrats. Infinite Vitae factories. And Vitae and prana is practically the same shit.
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When vampires suck blood they're really sucking life force. So theoretically a vampire could suck all mana out of a Servant until it no longer exists I guess? Would have to be an overpowered vampire and a real shit Servant to let that happen though.
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Or a vampire in Hunger Frenzy going apeshit.
It'd probably take a minute or two or so but they could do it.
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Even in that case, congrats. Infinite Vitae factories.
Well, for as long as you can keep hold of them....
And Vitae and prana is practically the same shit.
Yeah, that makes sense. I'd imagine that a servant has quite a lot of it, though....
When vampires suck blood they're really sucking life force. So theoretically a vampire could suck all mana out of a Servant until it no longer exists I guess? Would have to be an overpowered vampire and a real shit Servant to let that happen though.
Well, I guess it would drain them of prana somehow, yes. I suspect, however, that if Sakura were around Rider could replenish her prana at a high enough rate that it wouldn't kill her however long he drank....
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Really, probably not.
You can drain roughly 1 vitae a turn or so. You can drain another 1 through a certain discipline. Also, the loss of this lifeforce would cause injury to servants as they are spiritual beings. So the more the vampire feeds, the harder and harder it gets to slow her down. And once again, there's Protean, specifically a certain power that allows your hands to grow GECKO PADS to assist you in holding and grappling prey. So keeping hold of a Servant theoretically won't be a problem.
Our theoretical vampire with Bloodworking as a discipline as well can then cause an enormous amount of damage within the grapple using his powers, combined with damage during the grapple through the protean power, and then the damage from the fangs.
Then add in Vigor for MORE damage, and then you get Rider both being drained and damaged faster than repair is possible.
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Except you know.
Monstrous Strength. And even without that, Rider could probably push that theoretical kindred away.
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True, but if he gets the drop on her and gets that protean power activated escape for her is practically impossible, especially if he's riding the wave.
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Really, probably not.
You can drain roughly 1 vitae a turn or so. You can drain another 1 through a certain discipline. Also, the loss of this lifeforce would cause injury to servants as they are spiritual beings. So the more the vampire feeds, the harder and harder it gets to slow her down. And once again, there's Protean, specifically a certain power that allows your hands to grow GECKO PADS to assist you in holding and grappling prey. So keeping hold of a Servant theoretically won't be a problem.
Our theoretical vampire with Bloodworking as a discipline as well can then cause an enormous amount of damage within the grapple using his powers, combined with damage during the grapple through the protean power, and then the damage from the fangs.
Then add in Vigor for MORE damage, and then you get Rider both being drained and damaged faster than repair is possible.
Well, we don't have any idea of the conversion rate from Vitae to prana. However, whilst my Sakura does not have the effectively infinite prana that Dark Sakura possesses, she is capable of controlling the amount she obtains to some extent (having trained herself) and can boost it such that her prana will recover at a far higher rate than a normal magus.
Also, gecko pads don't stop Rider going into spirit form....
And, you know, thinking about it, Rider is more like a WoD Ghoul than a Vampire. Her energy supply comes from another person, and she even has the strong attachment to her master that comes with being a ghoul, albeit voluntarily in her case.
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Argh, could you guys stop the "chatting whilst my character is stood in the room listening" thing, it makes my life a lot harder....
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people are very often forgotten in conversation, as every socially awkward neckbeard-in-the-making knows, as he sits on his side of the room listening in but unable to get a word in edgewise.
Congrats Mike, Kiyoshi has entered this path. Next thing you know, he'll be rolling a dorf fighter when Forest gets around to GMing a DnD game
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This is Rider, though, not Kiyoshi.
And, it's not that people don't get ignored in conversation, it's that I never get a chance to reply to the initial action. Forest and Magos have gone off into a conversation before I even wake up....
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Eh, I don't think it's too bad this time, from what I'm seeing. Conversation's not much more than a few sentences. Besides, Jack referred to Rider at least. Hell, the only reason Tom talked to Jack specifically there is because he brought up something relevant to his interests, otherwise he probably would have stayed quiet for longer.
...Also, surprised Jack didn't comment on both Forest and Tom being in pjs. :P In Tom's case, the image is both kinda hilarious and also adorable, especially since he's wearing his glasses too. :3
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Argh, could you guys stop the "chatting whilst my character is stood in the room listening" thing, it makes my life a lot harder....
This is Rider, though, not Kiyoshi.
And, it's not that people don't get ignored in conversation, it's that I never get a chance to reply to the initial action. Forest and Magos have gone off into a conversation before I even wake up....
It's like a fucking three line conversation. It isn't like we suddenly launched into Shakespeare.
Eh, I don't think it's too bad this time, from what I'm seeing. Conversation's not much more than a few sentences. Besides, Jack referred to Rider at least. Hell, the only reason Tom talked to Jack specifically there is because he brought up something relevant to his interests, otherwise he probably would have stayed quiet for longer.
...Also, surprised Jack didn't comment on both Forest and Tom being in pjs. :P In Tom's case, the image is both kinda hilarious and also adorable, especially since he's wearing his glasses too. :3
Jack really doesn't care and is assuming their normal clothes are shredded wrecks somewhere.
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Just a heads up, since they haven't moved Mike, feel free to have Kiyoshi say something as Dark Archer and Rin are right there.
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I'd agree with you there lantz, except that SUETOSHI HAS THREATENED TO KILL ARCHER BEFORE.
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Just a heads up, since they haven't moved Mike, feel free to have Kiyoshi say something as Dark Archer and Rin are right there.
Well, Kiyoshi is likely to trust Rin more right now, he knows her a lot better. Although, he wouldn't want them to fight.
I'd agree with you there lantz, except that SUETOSHI HAS THREATENED TO KILL ARCHER BEFORE.
Agree with what?
Also, Satoshi has made no such threat to that Archer, although Rin did hear him threaten the other one. Plus, I'm not entirely sure what Rin is going to do even if Satoshi did intend to hurt Archer. Archer is rather more powerful than her....
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Agree with private conversations being private.
Still, Rin knows he dislikes the Archer's likely in general. And if push comes to shove she can grab Lancer and the other Archer.
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Agree with private conversations being private.
Oh, I see, you mean agree with Toshi....
Well, I guess it's up to Archer if he agrees to that or not.
Still, Rin knows he dislikes the Archer's likely in general. And if push comes to shove she can grab Lancer and the other Archer.
That's not actually true, though, he threatened Archer for a specific reason.
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...It can't just be me that his one speech was rather hostile to every servant, can it?
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It was somewhat, yes (Rider certainly saw it as such at the time), but Dark Archer never actually heard it (although Rin did), and Satoshi has shown no signs of actually having any desire to harm servants in general or, even, Archer in particular. At worst he doesn't care about their well-being as much as he would for a normal human, and that is hardly an attitude Rin can criticise him for given how she treated them and thought about them when she summoned Archer.
Plus, technically, Dark Archer is not a servant any more....
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The speech is Ill framed but not hostile to servants.
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It might not have intentionally been, but it did come across as at very least treating servants as lesser beings that had no right to live if that meant a normal human dying instead (even if that normal human fully deserved it). Like I said, Rider certainly treated it as such at the time and, whilst she has forgotten all about that now that he gave her hot sex, it's not surprising Rin hasn't.
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Oh hey guys what happened while my bandwidth restricted my... access to...
*slowly backs out of the thread upon seeing the chaos that occurred within the past two days*
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Also Daiki, sick burn. Shuya best character.
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Oh hey guys what happened while my bandwidth restricted my... access to...
*slowly backs out of the thread upon seeing the chaos that occurred within the past two days*
See the joy that is my life with lantz related funtimes.
Also, lantz, last time Rin saw Toshi, he threatened to kill Archer just for threatening the guy who tried to kill his Master to keep him from doing it again. Right after defending the guy who freaking tried to shoot her in the first place. Rin doesn't trust him as far as she can throw him. Plus he freaking said to go up on a rooftop where there would be absolutely no one else around. That's kinda insanely suspicious. Plus not only does she not want to lose another Archer like she did the last one , but this one's the freaking father of her child. So yeah, I'd say Rin has plenty of reason to want to go with him, because the whole thing is suspicious as hell.
And holy shit, yes, Shuya was awesome there. :3
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I wouldn't call it "insanely suspicous", and I think Rin is rather missing the point that, if Satoshi really did plan to kill Archer, he could almost certainly kill her too, but I don't blame her for being wary.
Oh, BTW, can people please wait for me to post with Kiyoshi, he's not going to react well to what Shuya said....
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She knows that. But safety in numbers and all that. (Plus even if she's not aware that she'd come to her rescue, there's Ruby. Who's sitting idle and waiting for something to do). Plus, again, guy who threatened to kill people wanting to take the father of her child alone to a rooftop where no one could hear them. That'd make me leery as all hell, and I figure Rin would feel the same here.
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It's called playing devil's advocate Alice. And I don't care if Rin is justified in her actions here. Satoshi wants to say something privately and he won't have others there for good reason.
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Yeah, unfortunately the fact that you OOCly want Satoshi to be able to speak with Dark Archer privately doesn't mean that Dark Archer is going to ICly accept that request....
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lantz, saying it was ok for a man to shoot an innocent teenage girl just because he missed IS NOT PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE! It's plain old sociopathy!
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He never said that Alice, stop making shit up
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What reason? With Jack it's obvious, this is Vampire business and he stated as much. No non-bloodsuckers allowed.
There is nothing on that level that I think that Suetoshit can claim here, and even then Rin, as the mother of his future fucking kid, has a right to know.
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I'm not making that up, lantz. He defended MOS Shirou's actions when they would have done nothing but gotten an innocent girl dead. So yes, lantz, that's exactly what Toshi did. And then turned around and threatened to kill Archer when the Servant threatened the same man for, oh, I don't know, TRIED TO SHOOT AN INNOCENT GIRL THAT ALSO HAPPENED TO BE HIS MASTER! And all this even before Toshi got corrupted.
Even Mike (through Rider) called you out on that one lantz. So if anyone's making bullshit up here, it's you.
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I don't recall Satoshi ever defending MoS Shirou's attempt at killing Hakuno. He might possibly have given explanations for why he did it but I am certain he never said anything that implied it was the right course of action.
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Satoshi never said that mos was right. He defended the fact that there was logic behind his actions, not that they were correct. That is a serious difference between what happened and what you think Alice.
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He did defend the attempt to kill Hakuno, Mike. That's what playing "Devil's Advocate" is.
And you still don't do that crap in front of the fucking victim. I don't care if he wasn't technically saying it was OK. That doesn't make it right. He was still advocating reasons for Hakuno's murder in front of the damn victim. Plus the man who cared about her. That's pretty damn twisted, lantz. And then he turns around and threatens to kill Archer for threatening the man who tried to shoot her from doing it again.
Don't you kinda see how that's really kinda messed up, lantz?!
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He did defend the attempt to kill Hakuno, Mike. That's what playing "Devil's Advocate" is.
And you still don't do that crap in front of the fucking victim. I don't care if he wasn't technically saying it was OK. That doesn't make it right. He was still advocating reasons for Hakuno's murder in front of the damn victim. Plus the man who cared about her. That's pretty damn twisted, lantz. And then he turns around and threatens to kill Archer for threatening the man who tried to shoot her from doing it again.
Don't you kinda see how that's really kinda messed up, lantz?!
Yeah, Lantz? This is pretty much the definition of what you do not fucking do ever, and if you do, you are a fucking enormous prick.
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He didn't say it was right. He never got the chance to explain the other side the of the situation because of Archer and Rider. Satoshi did not defend murder, he said he understood logic and understanding is not agreement. End of story
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You still don't defend it in front of the fucking victim, lantz. That's not the fucking time to talk about it. DON'T YOU FUCKING GET THAT?! For fuck sakes, you're coming off like a fucking sociopath.
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Booooooy, the drama sure is starting early today.
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You still don't defend it in front of the fucking victim, lantz. That's not the fucking time to talk about it. DON'T YOU FUCKING GET THAT?! For fuck sakes, you're coming off like a fucking sociopath.
I agree that defending it when Hakuno was standing right in front of him was highly insensitive, but it's not sociopathic. If anything it shows a lack of emotional understanding. And the fact that we're in a play-by-post RP and writing messages to other people playing fictional characters, and thus have several levels of disconnection....
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It was speak then or let a group of people string a man up. In light of that Satoshi chose the option that saved a life. And to repeat, he had not been allowed to finish his point. Which, had he done so, he would have proven Shirou wrong but not deserving of death.
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I doubt Shirou was going to get "strung up", Forest for example wouldn't have allowed it. And, honestly, Toshi's defence of Shirou didn't really help matters one bit.
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Yeah but mike, it would have been metagaming for Satoshi to know that. He acted based on what he saw
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Booooooy, the drama sure is starting early today.
Sorry. This just keeps getting more and more personal for me, so I got really upset. ...Again. ...I need to stop crying over this stuff, no wonder I have so many stupid headaches anymore. ^_^"
And lantz, point is, Toshi was an inconsiderate creep there and what he did was wrong. Accept that already.
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No Alice.
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What he did was pretty much beyond inconsiderate, it was fucking sociopathic.
That was basically akin to walking up to rape victim and saying "You couldn't expect him to do anything but rape you in that situation, and he was totally in the right to do so."
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Sorry. This just keeps getting more and more personal for me, so I got really upset. ...Again. ...I need to stop crying over this stuff, no wonder I have so many stupid headaches anymore. ^_^"
And lantz, point is, Toshi was an inconsiderate creep there and what he did was wrong. Accept that already.
No need to apologize, Alice. I understand that some things bother us, and not everyone has the same tolerance to it. Not criticizing you for that, I'd just prefer to not clutter the thread with increasingly personal arguments that can spiral out of control when they can be resolved in private.
And I realize it might not be easy to not get personal about this sort of discussion, but I do think it'd benefit everyone in the RP if we could try and keep them as unbiased and objective as possible.
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Nah, you're good, I shouldn't keep losing my head like this. Especially considering my position as admin. I've been letting stuff keep building on me, so I'm a lot more emotional than normal as a result, which naturally isn't good. Basically I need to learn to go off and vent once I reach that particular threshold when stuff gets personal instead of letting it get the better of me. ^_^"
You're absolutely right, by the way. With some discussions that becomes more difficult, but honestly if we could try to keep to that standard, it'd probably result in a few less bust ups like this one at least. As usual, your words are good words. :3
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That was basically akin to walking up to rape victim and saying "You couldn't expect him to do anything but rape you in that situation, and he was totally in the right to do so."
Not quite. Raping someone is never justified, killing someone can be. It was still insensitive, yes, but calling it sociopathic takes it a bit far....
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That was basically akin to walking up to rape victim and saying "You couldn't expect him to do anything but rape you in that situation, and he was totally in the right to do so."
Not quite. Raping someone is never justified, killing someone can be. It was still insensitive, yes, but calling it sociopathic takes it a bit far....
Replace rape victim with 'grieving family member of someone killed in a random driveby shooting' or 'grieving family member of a serial killer's victim' and rape with kill.
It's basically the same shit, it's insensitive as fuck is what I'm getting at. It's a dick move.
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It is insensitive, yes, but firstly there are ways to justify what Shirou did (certainly if you consider him murdering Sakura as anything other than completely inexcuseable, anyway) and secondly Toshi had a reason why he felt he had to do it, so I would certainly not call it "sociopathic". Not that sociopathic is the right word to use here anyway, sociopathy implies that you know your actions will hurt people but couldn't care less, whereas this is a case where he didn't realise what he was doing would hurt her at all.
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The interjection was done in the name of saving a life. The opposite did not occur. As such he did nothing wrong because the choice to save lives is never wrong.
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I'd argue it can be wrong to save someone's life. Say, a serial killers life. Is saving someone who will simply bring harm unto others morally right? Wouldn't it be better to let this person die or kill him yourself to save others?
But if killing him is wrong, wouldn't that mean that it's also wrong to save any of his future victims because it isn't right to kill the killer now when you have the chance?
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We have a thing called prison for such things arch. Saving a life is never wrong. Even a bad guys because society has measures to make people pay for their crimes.
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What about if you have no chance of capturing the killer, or you can't hold him? That this is the only time, the only chance you'll have to stop him, and taking him alive, or at all, is impossible? What then Lantz? Isn't killing him still not saving a life? But at the same time, isn't killing him saving lives?
And aren't there crimes that prison simply isn't well, justice for?
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I'd argue it can be wrong to save someone's life. Say, a serial killers life. Is saving someone who will simply bring harm unto others morally right? Wouldn't it be better to let this person die or kill him yourself to save others?
But if killing him is wrong, wouldn't that mean that it's also wrong to save any of his future victims because it isn't right to kill the killer now when you have the chance?
Whilst I disagree with the assertion that it is always wrong to kill, I do not think it is ever wrong to save a life, no matter what the circumstances. Particularly since it is very rarely as clear-cut as you are making out. People don't usually get the option of saving the life of an immoral serial killer with no possibility of redemption....
It's somewhat ironic that I'm using the argument I usually use to explain why MoS Shirou is a cunt to defend him, but still....
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blah blah blah personal value judgments blah blah
This conversation has once again reached a useless place with no objective answer.
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@Mike: I don't think it really counts in this case. Toshi made a really out there leap in logic to jump to the conclusion he did. He didn't save a life, he just insulted a victim, because the assembled group wasn't going to kill MoS Shirou to begin with. Plus there were other ways he could have said it. "Please don't kill him, it's not right," would have worked far better than doing so in a way that slaps the victim in the face. And then make it even worse by turning around and threatening Archer the way that he did, thus making himself look hypocritical in the process.
But yeah, Aiden is right, it is kinda getting circular at this point. We should probably drop it.
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@Mike: I don't think it really counts in this case. Toshi made a really out there leap in logic to jump to the conclusion he did. He didn't save a life, he just insulted a victim, because the assembled group wasn't going to kill him to begin with. Plus there were other ways he could have said it. "Please don't kill him, it's not right," would have worked far better than doing so in a way that slaps the victim in the face. And then make it even worse by turning around and threatening Archer the way that he did, thus making himself look hypocritical in the process.
But yeah, Aiden is right, it is kinda getting circular at this point. We should probably drop it.
We probably should drop it but Alice is right here. It's really startling how freaking little Suetoshi acts like the supposed 2000 year old sage he is.
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I never said Toshi was right to think that he was saving Shirou by doing it (indeed, I recall saying the opposite some time back), I was just saying that that is what he sincerely believed. Making a mistake does not make you a bad person.
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No, but it can make you a hypocrite later on and a total asshole.
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So no post from Rider yet Mike?
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Working on it now.
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Ah, OK.
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Still, Rin knows he dislikes the Archer's likely in general. And if push comes to shove she can grab Lancer and the other Archer.
Yeah, I'd grab Lancer and the other Archer too if I was Rin. Start up my male harem!
Plus Rin can live the fantasy of fucking twins!
Wait . . . I don't think that's what Magos meant. Damn.
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May not be too late, she could always start now. :laugh: Get Hakuno too as an added bonus. Would be a tricky harem to control though, all that squabbling between the Archers and Lancer, but it'd be worth it. :3
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And posted
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And posted.
Jack's past is... not a pleasant one all together.
EDIT: 36. Hour. Days.
What...
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Probably just a figure of speech.
And wow Satoshi, way to be cold to the kid glaring swords at you! Literally!
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Isn't Toshi just a swell guy? And some people act surprised when I call him out as a jerk...
And I'm interrupting your little entourage bringing the suspicious black boxes upstairs, lantz. People would notice that shit.
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Japanese lunchboxes, pretty common actually
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So I've got a bit of a question for you, Elf (or Alice, if you know the answer).
Are we allowed to introduce NPCs in a scene solely for the purpose of killing them and showing off how badass our characters are? I'm not aiming to make a habit of it or anything like that, but Jojo's the kind of guy who can't really be introduced in a non-awesome way, so I figure I'll do some random vamp mook killing in his first post, just to establish the character and such.
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As for Satoshi he was told by Rin to go, so he went. That's not cold, it's doing what he's told.
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The boxes do not excuse magic Alice. Stop assuming
Edit: should read exude. It doesn't emit magic
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So I've got a bit of a question for you, Elf (or Alice, if you know the answer).
Are we allowed to introduce NPCs in a scene solely for the purpose of killing them and showing off how badass our characters are? I'm not aiming to make a habit of it or anything like that, but Jojo's the kind of guy who can't really be introduced in a non-awesome way, so I figure I'll do some random vamp mook killing in his first post, just to establish the character and such.
I can definitely answer for you. :3 Yes, you most certainly can. :D Hell, I think I introduced both Mille and Ryoko that way. ...granted, Mille got her werewolf kills offscreen and Ryoko didn't actually quite score the kill on RAV (though that was more of a change up on my part because that fight scene turned out dull as toast), but same diff.
So go ahead with Jojo murderin' a whole swarm of vampire mooks, my good man. :3
...also, will look at the lantz posts in a bit.
EDIT: OK, looked at 'em. You said Lin was bringing in some sort of secret weapon, lantz. Plus the whole damn thing was pretty suspicious. Maybe if you'd, I don't know, told us what the hell that weapon was, maybe things would be different. Plus you made those boxes pretty prominent, that makes them likely to contain the weapons.
And, no, lantz, that's no justification for just blowing off Kiyoshi like that. He threatened the boy's mom, that's a freakin' huge deal, you don't ignore that because someone told you to go somewhere. Plus he could clearly stay there long enough to laugh off Shuya and prove to Rin that he's a liar on top of everything else. So no, lantz, you're not wriggling out of this one.
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So I've got a bit of a question for you, Elf (or Alice, if you know the answer).
Are we allowed to introduce NPCs in a scene solely for the purpose of killing them and showing off how badass our characters are? I'm not aiming to make a habit of it or anything like that, but Jojo's the kind of guy who can't really be introduced in a non-awesome way, so I figure I'll do some random vamp mook killing in his first post, just to establish the character and such.
I damn well hope we can go that route.
Also how's the computer situation going, Bloble?
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I will either be posting tonight or tomorrow morning.
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I damn well hope we can go that route.
Also how's the computer situation going, Bloble?
I went ahead and answered in this post:
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,54.msg10147.html#msg10147 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,54.msg10147.html#msg10147)
Aside from me yelling at lantz some more, hope that helps. :)
And since Aiden was nice enough to bring it up, I should probably do the same- how's the wifi situation going? :)
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Japanese lunchboxes, pretty common actually
The boxes do not excuse magic Alice. Stop assuming
Edit: should read exude. It doesn't emit magic
Um, lantz...if the boxes are really just bento boxes, why not call them just that in the RP post? Just calling them "black boxes" makes others suspicious. And that doesn't cover the black trunk.
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The boxes are sealed, until opened they exude nothing, the trunk could be suspicious but the boxes are lunchboxes, they aren't suspicious at all. And no Rin would not tell them in front of jack and I have a right to clear my stuff with Elf on private and reveal it as I see fit.
I'm not wriggling anything, I'm not accountable to you. My characters will do as they wish
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Geeeeez, lantz. If you cleared it with Elf, fine, they don't exude anything until open, but lunchboxes or no, Rin is still going to be suspicious of a sealed container her older alternative self brought in through the use of the Second Magic.
If you want to keep it secret, that's fine, but what are you even so prickly about? Are you that concerned people are going to metagame if you tell us what's inside?
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Partly yes YOLF. Most people no.
and I'm prickly because this was the simplest thing in the world and now Rin is planning to murder them.
sorry mike my characters have to leave now, enjoy Kiyoshi getting ignored dude
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Oh, the computer's fine now. The Page Down key is broken, but no one gives a fuck about it, me included, so I've elected to continue pretending it doesn't exist.
Anyway, intro post as soon as I stop being a lazy shithead!
(and keep going on with adventure, guys)
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...Uh, lantz? She's just telling them to freeze because she's suspicious of what's in the really suspicious trunk. She's not going to fight unless she has to. And she's also kinda outnumbered, so it's more of a precautionary measure than anything. Which I did edit to account for the new information, but like YOLF, awesome dude that he is, mentioned, it hardly changed anything.
Also... Jack's kinda downstairs right now. Away from Lin. So using that as an excuse to not say what's in the trunk is bullshit.
And you ignored Kiyoshi anyway, you asshole, when he asked about his damn mother being threatened no less. So quite frankly... good riddance~
And on topics that aren't lantz being a moron (yes, I used a mild insult, this his how far this crap has gone), good to hear, Bloble! :D Too bad about the Page Down key, but tis a small price to pay. :)
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Whatever Alice. You call me names and shit and then demand respect, I don't know how you grew up but bullying and name calling does not equal respect.
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Okay. Hold on. Is Rin really ignoring her younger self pointing what's possibly a charged Gandr at them? And is everyone else?
Wuh?
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Yeah, that last post was...rushed.
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I used to treat you with respect, lantz, but you spat in my face and spat in my face and spat in my face over and over and over and over and over again, for the past 4-5 months. I've cried and stressed god knows how often for the past two months on your account. You've made my life miserable for far too long, lantz, and now I'm putting all my cards out on the table.
And funny you bring that up now lantz, when there is nothing to save how I feel about you in my eyes. You are a sociopathic cowardly liar, and one of the most retched people I've had the immense displeasure of meeting.
I haven't insulted you until now, lantz. And it was a minor insult at that (well, OK, what I said in this post was slightly worse, but it wasn't until this point, so my point still stands)
For that lovely little piece of slander, general disrespect towards fucking everyone, and generally being a terrible person, this is a warning. Shape up, or ship out.
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And since I got this weird numb feeling where I don't feel those pesky emotions anymore without the aid of drugs or alcohol just right before I started typing that post, and am also kinda worried about fate of the forum sorts of things, please give me feedback on that last post. While probably the insults in there weren't needed... To be honest, I kinda did that thing that I said previously that I shouldn't do where I let lantz get to me sort of things. But yeah, since I'm worried, people that aren't lantz please give feedback.
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I think there's always going to be someone you can't get along with. That's part of being human. Sometimes, people just click, both in the best way and occasionally in the worst. Magos and lantz, you and lantz, you're just rubbing each other the wrong way, and in this case I don't think any amount of politeness or attempts at discussion are going to change that.
Leaving aside who's in the wrong here, in an attempt to be slightly impartial, I think we can all agree that some people are more stubborn than others. lantz is possibly one of the most stubborn, thick headed people I know besides my mother, which is neither good nor bad on its own. Hell, stubborn people run this world. Sticking to your guns no matter what is considered a good thing in many places. In this situation, though, I'd say that he's simply not going to listen to you, ever. lantz was in BL before I arrived, giving him more than 3 years of experience in dealing with tough and competent admins, Elf among them. He, like Mike, is not going to change because of someone else telling him that he's wrong. It's just not happening, and all the well thought out arguments in the world won't help you. You're not the first who's getting worked up because of his actions, and you won't be the last.
So I say calm down. You've done some good work here. This forum is growing. This RP has escaped the BL RP curse and is actually continuing for more than a month with still frequent posting. You've attracted good posters like YOLF, Aiden, and, dare I say it, myself to come over. You've made some damn fine porn with a published writer, and the World of Darkness group is having fun roleplaying with you every Saturday or Sunday. That's something.
As for dealing with lantz and how he makes you feel, I'd say to leave your interactions mostly to the IC thread. Since arguing here is only going to make him more stubborn and irritate you, don't do it unless you have to. He can argue against you, but he has to react to your in character actions, and we'll call him out on it if he does any kind of bullshit. This way, you can gain some emotional distance from the situation and only deal with him when you have to, rather than getting sucked into the debate and stressing out every time he does something horrible, which he'll keep on doing no matter what you say until he's banned or kicked out of the RP.
As for the warning, only you and Elf can decide if it was justified. I highly doubt lantz will ever get another one for quite some time, since he's good at toeing the line and being just reasonable enough to not get himself punished for it. For now, just relax and have some hot chocolate. It's freezing out there.
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I'll be honest here. I apologize in advance if I sound rude to anyone.
I think that lantz's lack of cooperation is one of the prime causes to no one understanding him. I've noted this before when I tried to calm down a previous argument, occasion during the which I also pleaded for an effort from everyone involved (but mostly lantz and Magos) to not let stuff like that happen again. At the time, lantz did not consent to my request because from his point of view certain people were not deserving of that effort as it stood. Or in other words, he didn't have it in him to be the first to work towards a general improvement of the situation.
While I'm not saying that he's the only person who deserves to be judged for behavior underneath the standards and actions that led to several disagreements in this thread, I do think that the situation right now is not acceptable, because both when we ask for explanations and argue narration details OOC, or when it is his time to post IC, lantz does not seem to take into account the viewpoints of others much and - from my view at least - places our positions and complaints, whether legitimate or not, beneath him. Constantly. I do not think this to be acceptable. So if a warning is what will take for lantz to change the way he handles these matters, I agree with it.
That said, Alice, you've noted yourself that you are biased against lantz for multiple reasons already, and that the stress of interacting with him is affecting you. So, not meaning to offend you, I advise you against posting about this subject in your capacity as an administrator, at least for now. Until you honestly feel like you can manage this situation in a completely objective manner and without coming to verbal blows with lantz due to previous bias, even if it be justified, I think it's for the best if you take your mind off it it a little, trust the judgement of the mods, or talk about them in private about this and let them handle it in your stead.
EDIT:
Bloble put my last point better than I did, and I agree with his suggestions. He has good judgement, I feel, so listening to him should prove fruitful.
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@Bloble, honestly, I don't honestly think I can properly articulate or put into words how much I appreciate what you just said, but I'm going to make what's likely a pathetic attempt at it anyway. Because that's how I roll (well, when I'm not rolling moely low rolls that is). Thank you. Thank you so much. I honestly really, really, really appreciate that.
...How fitting that the fan of bro characters is a bro himself. :3
@YOLF: Nah, no offense taken. Your words are still good words (By the way, the general lack of emoticons is an attempt to address this in a more upfrontly serious manner, so if it seems freaky, don't worry too much about it). I actually agree entirely with everything you said.
Well, almost, and it's not even technically a disagreement as much as a proposal. ...We need more mods. And I honestly think we have some really good candidates here, but I didn't want to force it on anyone or make a recruitment thread and make people feel bad about being turned down. Well, now I'm making that open. ...We need more mods! If anyone's interested in the position, please let me know. ...And please don't anyone be hurt if you're turned down for the position, though I'm not thinking that'll be the case for anyone.
But yeah, now that I got that little announcement out of the way, you're absolutely right, I probably do need to let someone else handle the lantz stuff, at least for awhile until I'm less emotionally charged about it again. Which is why I'm putting that little recruitment statement out in the open, so that's possible.
...Maybe Nachos is right, maybe I need a vacation. The hot coco Bloble mentioned is probably a requirement bare minimum. Any recommendations on flavors? (Honestly, really off topic, but anything to lighten up the mood is probably chocolaty goodness for this thread right now).
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Actually Bloble you don't know what you are talking about in regards to me. I have changed my mind on several occasions due to well thought out discussion and debate. I have repeatedly tried to address the very simple issues I have in general regarding the way people attempt to"convince" me of their points and largely no one listens.
after awhile I got sick of repeating myself and simply state my opinion and leave it as is because if no one intends on listening when I speak then I find no reason to listen in turn.
I have done nothing wrong to deserve a warning here as far as I am concerned. I am not a sociopath,liar, misogynist, egotist or any of the other thing Alice has slandered me as in her massive tirades on this forum.
I am not a terrible person, I will not be treated as a criminal.
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lantz, I'm not taking back my words. Everything I've said about you is simple observation. The only concession I'll give you is that I've never had enough interest in your affairs to look into your history before BL 2.0. This is merely what I've seen in your posts, both here and back on BL. In your story threads, you consistently refused to acknowledge any of the criticism that the members of BL (several of which are excellent authors in their own right) gave you, to the point of deleting several threads after a negative reception to them by the general public. The quality of the stories themselves doesn't concern me (in fact, I've never read a single one) but your reaction to the criticism was just as stubborn and hard-headed as your current behaviour. The only person I remember you being friends with is Mike, though that doesn't account for private conversations I might've not noticed. You eventually all but left the forum to come here, and in this roleplay you've not once managed to make a decent compromise with anyone, barring a few meaningless apologies that changed nothing in the end. In addition, you've already gotten several people pissed off at you, to the point where Alice has had a near breakdown, and Magos, who's usually a pretty cool guy, can't look at your avatar without wanting to strangle a kitten.
Now, to be fair, you're not horrible. You're not a troll, and you're certainly not actively malicious. If I had to describe you in animal terms, I'd call you a hippo or an elephant. Does whatever the hell he wants, and has skin thicker than a tire. But for whatever reason, you piss people off, and not in a good way. And the worst part of that is the fact that you keep trying to blame others for it, rather than acknowledging the possibility that it might be you.
So yeah, you're not a terrible person, or a criminal. You're not a sociopath, a liar, a misogynist, or an egotist.
You're just a bit of a prick.
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Actually Bloble you don't know what you are talking about in regards to me. I have changed my mind on several occasions due to well thought out discussion and debate. I have repeatedly tried to address the very simple issues I have in general regarding the way people attempt to"convince" me of their points and largely no one listens.
after awhile I got sick of repeating myself and simply state my opinion and leave it as is because if no one intends on listening when I speak then I find no reason to listen in turn.
I have done nothing wrong to deserve a warning here as far as I am concerned. I am not a sociopath,liar, misogynist, egotist or any of the other thing Alice has slandered me as in her massive tirades on this forum.
I am not a terrible person, I will not be treated as a criminal.
For you to be treated like a criminal you would've had to blatantly violate forum rules and actually be banned.
A warning is just a warning lantz. And it's out of consideration for you. Remember that.
Also, what Bloble said. Bloble for DSM mod 2014! :3
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If Bloble wants to become a mod, I'll totally give him the hat right now. :3 Hell, he was one of the people I was considering asking about putting a mod hat on but didn't want to pressure him into anything. ...The others I'll let stay a secret for now. Because mystery.
Also, nothing on hot coco flavors yet? :< Though marshmallows are the one thing I probably won't budge on, they're a hot coco staple damn it. Because what's hot coco without marshmallowy goodness?
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Its not bloble, I stated in this thread earlier at some point I internalize criticism. It's the way I write.
further I did not delete those threads to avoid criticism, that is a blatant lie spread by arch and others. I deleted the threads so as to not have duplicates when I tried to alter the format to increase understanding of the discussion at hand. It failed but the result is separate from the intent.
you can view me as a prick, that's your choice but determining that before you've tried to know me is only going to cause me to be wary of you dude.
everyone always has a clean slate until they come at me as far as I'm concerned though.
and YOLF just to correct you from earlier. I said I thought my effort would not be rewarded, not that specific people were to blame
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Sorry, can't help you there. Not a hot cocoa person much.
Actually I even burned my tongue in it this Christmas.
I misremembered your words lantz, but in the end I think it comes down to the same thing: that you weren't willing to take the first step and see if things worked out from there.
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That's fine lantz. In the end, the above rant was just me summarizing my opinion of you in a few paragraphs. I don't really harbour any malicious intentions towards you. If I had to rate my feelings on you on a scale from -100 (bloody murder) to 100 (have my babies), I'd put you at a solid -2 (some dude on the net who I think is a bit of an ass). So yeah, that's about it. It's not like that's how it's always gonna be or anything, and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavours, but this is just what I'm thinking at the moment.
And to Alice, I was about to recommend the choco that comes with those tiny marshmallows, but I got distracted by ranting instead. Oops.
I'd actually really like to be a mod, but not because of my behaviour towards lantz. I don't think it's something to be applauded.
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@YOLF: Ouch. D: That's no fun, especially since it tends to work down your taste buds in the process. :(
But it's cool, some foods aren't for everyone. :) I even have a cousin that doesn't like chocolate of any kind, so I can understand.
@Bloble: Ooooh, I like that type. :3 Though I also like putting in my own marshmallows. ...especially when all the little marshmallows are gone because I drink that part first. :<
And as for dat mod request... Congratulations, good sir, welcome to the team! :D And if it makes you feel better, I was considering you for mod for your general broness and negotiating abilities rather than any one specific thing you said, so rejoice!
Also, glowy name color is a thang for staff members, hit me with a color. :3
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Congratulations for the new post, Bloble!
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YOLF I've been burned a lot putting myself out there to make the effort for others and eventually it gets to be far too hard to get up and roll out just to get stabbed in the back.
I had hoped I could go back to being the me I was before the new bl. When things were awesome and chill but I can't as things are. Arch never stops harassing me and Alice has had an opinion about me since before I ever said two words to her which as far as I can tell has colored her vision and attitude towards me from the start.
back when evospace rolled bl I was motivated and awesome I did shinji's route and it was fucking awesome and pie and medusa killed Gil in his face, rock smash mother fucker!
I came here to reclaim a sense of inner peace and tranquility which gave me drive but now I'm honestly convinced that anything I post here will be blasted unfairly and that I will be put on trial for the use of my basic rights.
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lantz, nobody is going to go after you for the simple fact that you exercise your rights to post and have your own opinions like every other user of this forum. The problem is what comes after.
It's your content, it's your attitude towards criticism, it's your viewpoint that you rarely bother to explain because you're concerned about... something, and it's the fact that you don't seem to make concessions. Forget the past, I mean now. So long as one interacts with others, people are required to make concessions to understand each other and reach compromises which both sides can be content with.
But you can't seem to work towards that - you're not even trying to make us understand anymore. I also think you suffer from a bit of victim complex, but that might just be me.
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People are always going to judge you, lantz. That's just how it is. I hope you get your mojo back, and that I'll one day get to meet the awesome, motivated you, and read an excellent work of yours. I sincerely think that would be fun. But right now, I'm judging you based on what I've seen (and nothing else, certainly not the opinions of others), and so far it hasn't been very good.
As for colour... I'll go with orange, for no particular reason. A nice contrast to the purple, I suppose.
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See YOLF that is kinda what I'm getting at when I say people don't listen. I just said I internalize criticism, it's a valid method and it absolutely means that I do take criticism.
the only things I ignore are over emotional posts (I have said repeatedly people need to stay calm because it's a story, not real life) and insults.
my content story wise is my choice, I hate to repeat myself but if you don't like it then don't read the story. If you don't like ShirouXSaber then why read it? Hopefully that makes sense.
the other thing is (with FSN especially) I will whole sale ignore canon if the myth makes more sense. For example king Arthur being 52 Rather then 26 at the age of death (time wise fsn's canon makes little sense)
the past is the basis of now, I would like to be more open and responsive to things and people but I need something from the rest of you (especially Alice and Arch)
Chill out, it's make believe, it's a recreational activity. Enjoy the ride rather then stress out about everything. Bloble earlier in this thread asked me a question, explained things and when I replied he did not freak out or get mad when my reply was not in line with what he said. He was chill and respectful. And for that I respect him.
earning my respect is easy, chill out, accept that people are different from you and accept they have a right to be in all aspects.
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The orange is now there for Bloble. :3 If you ever want a color change, just shoot me a PM, post in the mod forum, etc.
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Orange you glad you made me a mod?
Had to say it.
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And since I got this weird numb feeling where I don't feel those pesky emotions anymore without the aid of drugs or alcohol just right before I started typing that post, and am also kinda worried about fate of the forum sorts of things, please give me feedback on that last post. While probably the insults in there weren't needed... To be honest, I kinda did that thing that I said previously that I shouldn't do where I let lantz get to me sort of things. But yeah, since I'm worried, people that aren't lantz please give feedback.
Alice, there is no way that post deserved a warning, and we're meant to give warnings on the basis of group consensus, not you getting mad and handing one out. I understand you being mad with Lantz, but you cannot hand out warnings because you're upset. That is what got me banned from BL.
I really don't know what to do about this....
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Sorry for going back to the RP content but, why all your characters are leaving the place, Lantz?
I understand that you don't want to reveal the content of that trunk. However, I find your two last posts a bit rushed.
I remember you having a legitimate complaint about how your characters didn't interact much with others and that them being left aside was bothering you. We provided you a good reason to start a discussion with the other PCs and, I was secretly hoping, you would allow us to discover more about Satoshi. It was the moment to put any misconception straight the group might have towards him. Because, if I'm not mistaken, only Rider and Sakura knew it was a bluff and that the Servant went there willingly. We could have had an interesting dynamic there.
Yet, you chose to isolate all of your characters without even trying. You even, apparently, forgot that Sakura was still resting in this last post.
I just don't understand dude. Wouldn't you reconsider your decision? We won't start a fight IC if you're not willing to. And, as far as I'm concerned, that wasn't the reason Shuya confronted your characters, it just felt like a necessary step for further interactions and establish who's getting along with who. For example, Shuya would accept it if Satoshi would explain it(the whole threatening Kiyoshi's mother thing) was simply a bluff he used. Or AM influence.
You should exchange with our characters, otherwise it's simply putting them in a delicate situation(antagonized and isolated) yourself, and I don't think that's something you want.
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Actually, Daiki, Sakura left some time ago.
But, yes, I do find Lantz's most recent posts a bit odd, especially since Kiyoshi is currently standing there with a pair of swords and hasn't got so much as an explanation yet. They're literally just walking out of the door without even bothering to say a single damn thing to anyone.
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So I've got a bit of a question for you, Elf (or Alice, if you know the answer).
Are we allowed to introduce NPCs in a scene solely for the purpose of killing them and showing off how badass our characters are? I'm not aiming to make a habit of it or anything like that, but Jojo's the kind of guy who can't really be introduced in a non-awesome way, so I figure I'll do some random vamp mook killing in his first post, just to establish the character and such.
The answer to that would be yes.
Because it's Jojo.
(Now we need a Dio Brando here.)
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And since I got this weird numb feeling where I don't feel those pesky emotions anymore without the aid of drugs or alcohol just right before I started typing that post, and am also kinda worried about fate of the forum sorts of things, please give me feedback on that last post. While probably the insults in there weren't needed... To be honest, I kinda did that thing that I said previously that I shouldn't do where I let lantz get to me sort of things. But yeah, since I'm worried, people that aren't lantz please give feedback.
At this point, a warning is probably the only thing that will get him to even slightly adjust his behavior.
Mike, at this point Lantz needs to either shape up or ship out.
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The problem is that she's basically giving Lantz a warning for being wrong about things, and for expressing an opinion that she really doesn't like. Neither of those things deserve punishment. People are entitled to have different opinions and to dislike the admins.
And, frankly, Lantz has handled this exceptionally well. If I'd been in his shoes Alice would be getting a flamethrower in the face right now....
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The next things I will say have no animosity in them. They are what I have observed.
Daiki you like a lot of us have a shitty sense of timing. Shuya's outburst turned a relatively drama less situation (Rin's teenage behavior aside) into grand central station. The situation would have been disappointing enough thanks to Rin's interference destroying the event opportunity (valid or not Dark Archer went all dumbass boyfriend because of her) but then Shuya starting a drama snowball made it all the worse.
Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because Rin cut the drama off at the neck. She told them to head upstairs to avoid a scene. Sadly our present second master didn't know it was drama Hydra and young Rin is trying to make a power play and slandering Satoshi who has literally hurt no one to date. Threats are just words Satoshi hasn't hurt anyone.
Old Rin is the commander and after Archer's disappointing response was already on the tipping point about staying in a place where her daughter nearly was killed and young Rin sealed it. No 50 year old will legitimately listen to their 18 year old self. And it's clear she has her territory sadly marked. As such they are leaving to avoid a fight
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The problem is that Lantz has repeatedly shown no respect for anyone in this RP. His actions and posts have shown nothing but contempt for everyone. His complaints on 'BOO HOO HOO NO-ONE WANTS TO INTERACT WITH ME' and then when we do try his characters and actions basically amount to "Listen to me or I'll go into this corner and complain more."
It's frustrating and this pattern has repeated itself. He's made no visible effort to improve himself, and remember, Lantz has been doing this for MONTHS before getting a warning now. Consider it Alice's line in the sand - beyond this point, Lantz has to at the very least fucking try to be respectful to everyone and actually listen to criticism, or he can be banned. His shit has been tolerated far longer than I would have allowed.
The next things I will say have no animosity in them. They are what I have observed.
Daiki you like a lot of us have a shitty sense of timing. Shuya's outburst turned a relatively drama less situation (Rin's teenage behavior aside) into grand central station. The situation would have been disappointing enough thanks to Rin's interference destroying the event opportunity (valid or not Dark Archer went all dumbass boyfriend because of her) but then Shuya starting a drama snowball made it all the worse.
Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because Rin cut the drama off at the neck. She told them to head upstairs to avoid a scene. Sadly our present second master didn't know it was drama Hydra and young Rin is trying to make a power play and slandering Satoshi who has literally hurt no one to date. Threats are just words Satoshi hasn't hurt anyone.
Old Rin is the commander and after Archer's disappointing response was already on the tipping point about staying in a place where her daughter nearly was killed and young Rin sealed it. No 50 year old will legitimately listen to their 18 year old self. And it's clear she has her territory sadly marked. As such they are leaving to avoid a fight
OK. Lantz. I want to point something out here - Suetoshi HAS hurt people. He went into that stupid armor thing remember? He fought Forest, he's threatened to kill multiple characters for no real particularly good reason and in general has acted nothing like the 2000 year old sage you put in your profile that he fucking is. So basically, Rin isn't making a power play, but actually stating things she has good reason to believe he'll follow through on. He pulled a sword and threatened Archer. Even MIKE thought that was going too far. His opinon of Servants is frankly, rather scary, and he seems to think of them as less than human. I could easily see him throwing on a Waffen SS uniform and ranting about them.
Basically, you have no one to blame for Rin's actions here but yourself through your own.
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Oh, and when we extend even a modicum of trust to you, you don't do the same to us. On a meta level, I've revealed a LOT about Lawrence's powers and shit, yet you have revealed flat out fucking nothing about the majority of what your characters can do in their sheets or even within the RP and OOC threads themselves.
Quite frankly, Elf has been beyond tolerant. She's a canidate for sainthood in my book at how she's somehow been able to tolerate all your shit when I KNOW she loathes your characters. I've known of GM's that have 'Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies' things for less.
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The thing is, though, even if all of that is true it is a matter for Elf to deal with, not Alice. Bad RPing is not a bannable offense on any reasonable forum, and nor is not listening to criticism. Those are all personal issues that should absolutely not be dealt with by the forum administration.
Further, if Lantz should be respectful to everyone else regardless of how he feels about them then he should be able to expect the same respect back, and I've not seen any indication whatsoever from you of any such respect, so why shouldn't you be getting the same warning?
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Sure am glad that I have Arch on ignore.
Anyway mike the short answer is Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because young Rin interrupted everything with this power play junk.
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I probably should, but Mike, here's the thing -
I'm betting you that the only reason Elf hasn't put the smackdown on Lantz's shit, is because of you. Your reactions, statements, and general attitude have been interfering with her ability to police Lantz here. She doesn't want to offend you and make you stop playing. Your declaration about Sakura going around and killing all my characters for example if Satoshi was allowed to die.
Oh, and another thing is that at least I've fucking TRIED to give Lantz the benefit of the doubt. I've been restraining myself on several things I could point out and say - THIS DOESN'T FUCKING WORK THAT WAY etc. At least I fucking try Mike, and that's more than Lantz does. Every time we do try and meet him in the middle, he runs further away.
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Sure am glad that I have Arch on ignore.
Anyway mike the short answer is Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because young Rin interrupted everything with this power play junk.
...Why shouldn't he? According to your own characterization of Suetoshit, he should be going "FAMILY" and explaining everything instead of ignoring him like you've gone and done. It's also hypocritical when you've called us out on the same thing, yet with an even more flimsy explanation that makes less sense than ours.
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Anyone catch the hockey game the other night?
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Anyone catch the hockey game the other night?
See what I mean Mike? He flat out refuses to listen to anything that doesn't conform to his world view, which is basically anything that points out his sues are acting like total jackasses.
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All I know is that Kiyoshi is probably really outraged right now, and young Rin is very likely to shoot at someone's feet as a warning for ignoring her and trying to leave.
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And Young Rin will look like the aggressor YOLF.
Kiyoshi would have gotten an explanation literally a minute later but young Rin just started shit
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Sure am glad that I have Arch on ignore.
Anyway mike the short answer is Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because young Rin interrupted everything with this power play junk.
He's still a really angry kid who thinks Satoshi threatened his mother. He's not going to accept "Rin interrupted me" as an excuse.
Frankly, the only thing stopping Kiyoshi attacking him outright is what Alice's Rin said. And even that might not be enough, I've not decided yet.
I probably should, but Mike, here's the thing -
I'm betting you that the only reason Elf hasn't put the smackdown on Lantz's shit, is because of you. Your reactions, statements, and general attitude have been interfering with her ability to police Lantz here. She doesn't want to offend you and make you stop playing. Your declaration about Sakura going around and killing all my characters for example if Satoshi was allowed to die.
I find that highly unlikely. Whilst I have supported Lantz sometimes, I have done so mostly because you were being entirely unreasonable in dealing with him. At no point has Lantz provoked an attack on him by your characters, you just picked up on stuff he did and tried to kill him without even giving him a chance to respond, and trying to trick him into giving you excuses to kill him.
Kiyoshi would have gotten an explanation literally a minute later but young Rin just started shit
That doesn't matter, Lantz. The fact that Rin started stuff doesn't mean that Kiyoshi deserves to be ignored, and it certainly doesn't mean he's going to accept Satoshi just blowing him off like that. Let alone the rest of the family.
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Aaaaaaannd by not explaining and starting to bail, older Rin is going to paint herself and company as more suspicious.
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No one in their right mind would condemn Rin in this case.
Satoshi has threatened both her lover and her sister, apparently manipulated the shit out of Rider, and is now leaving without even a single fucking WORD of even meaningless apology. It's a dick move.
And no, you can't blame Kiyoshi's lack of an explanation on Rin here, this is entirely your blatantly disregarding the characterization of your own characters.
I find that highly unlikely. Whilst I have supported Lantz sometimes, I have done so mostly because you were being entirely unreasonable in dealing with him. At no point has Lantz provoked an attack on him by your characters, you just picked up on stuff he did and tried to kill him without even giving him a chance to respond, and trying to trick him into giving you excuses to kill him.
On the contrary, I did give him time to respond. Every time he did respond though was in ways that pretty much made the situation WORSE. While I have not been entirely reasonable when dealing with him, your immediate jump to his defence the majority of the time even when what he did was frankly bullshit and made no sense hasn't exactly given Elf the option to punish him without offending you. Hell, you've stated that if Lantz is barred from this you'll leave. That quite frankly limits the options Elf has with dealing with Lantz, and is really only making the situation worse.
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He was told to take his sister upstairs mike, he would have been back down after doing so. Unfortunately as I said Rin interrupted that to make a power play.
do as you need however
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He was told to take his sister upstairs mike, he would have been back down after doing so. Unfortunately as I said Rin interrupted that to make a power play.
do as you need however
The fact that you think Rin is making a powerplay is disturbing to me in multiple ways.
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I'm glad I didn't bring in Kassadin already or he would've choked a bitch.
For frivolous magic use. And being suspicious.
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It wasn't frivolous. I won't say it again
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The point is that it looked frivolous.
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On the contrary, I did give him time to respond. Every time he did respond though was in ways that pretty much made the situation WORSE.
That is true, but only because you deliberately set it up so that would be the case.
While I have not been entirely reasonable when dealing with him, your immediate jump to his defence the majority of the time even when what he did was frankly bullshit and made no sense hasn't exactly given Elf the option to punish him without offending you.
I jump to his defence because I don't agree with what is being said. If I disagree with him I am quite happy to say so.
Hell, you've stated that if Lantz is barred from this you'll leave. That quite frankly limits the options Elf has with dealing with Lantz, and is really only making the situation worse.
I stated that because I don't think what Lantz had done at the time was remotely close to deserving being kicked from the RP, and also because I was generally annoyed with how other people were interacting with me. It was not a general statement, it applied to that specific situation.
He was told to take his sister upstairs mike, he would have been back down after doing so. Unfortunately as I said Rin interrupted that to make a power play.
do as you need however
Lantz, Kiyoshi was holding swords and glaring at the guy who he thought threatened his mother. Do you really think he was going to be fine with just being ignored, even temporarily? Honestly, I was considering having him attack Satoshi straight away, but I held back to give Satoshi at least a chance to explain. He didn't take it, and there's no way Kiyoshi is letting him just walk out the door without an answer.
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Kiyoshi Stab-a-tron 3000, go!
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The point is that it looked frivolous.
And it kinda is and was frivolous.
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Do as you need dude, none of my characters will shit the bed mike.
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If only because the bed has been shit on so much by them already it is shit.
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Daiki you like a lot of us have a shitty sense of timing. Shuya's outburst turned a relatively drama less situation (Rin's teenage behavior aside) into grand central station. The situation would have been disappointing enough thanks to Rin's interference destroying the event opportunity (valid or not Dark Archer went all dumbass boyfriend because of her) but then Shuya starting a drama snowball made it all the worse.
But drama is good for a RP. You can't expect rainbows and sunshine with that cocktail of strong personalities gathered under the same roof. I gave you a window to bounce upon his past behavior and to clean himself from the charges he is accused before a large part of their group. What's wrong with that exactly?
Kiyoshi didn't get an explanation because Rin cut the drama off at the neck. She told them to head upstairs to avoid a scene. Sadly our present second master didn't know it was drama Hydra and young Rin is trying to make a power play and slandering Satoshi who has literally hurt no one to date. Threats are just words Satoshi hasn't hurt anyone.
Well, Satoshi has the opportunity to explain himself right now. He, at least, owes that much to Kiyoshi. It doesn't need to escalate to a fight, all you have to do is give a mere clarification. Kiyoshi probably won't be happy about Satoshi using his mother as fake bait but it will always be better than how he will react if you decide to make your characters walk away. I ask you once again (and do note it's the last time I will bother) to reconsider at least your last post. There's an easy way to get out of this mess but, only if you put a slight effort into it.
Old Rin is the commander and after Archer's disappointing response was already on the tipping point about staying in a place where her daughter nearly was killed and young Rin sealed it. No 50 year old will legitimately listen to their 18 year old self. And it's clear she has her territory sadly marked. As such they are leaving to avoid a fight
A fifty year old should be able to talk her way out from curious people, especially when that person happens to be her past self. If she didn't want to stay in that place, she shouldn't have stayed at all, period. And once again, there's no need for a fight. Just talk.
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Well, Lantz's characters haven't actually left yet, so there is no real need for him to undo the post. Kiyoshi at least will be responding before they go. Whether or not Lantz's characters decide to change their mind about leaving is up to him, though....
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The Glorious Sir Bonesington returns!
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Drama is Ok in an RP. It's only good if executed properly, and like I said Shuya basically t boned the situation. His confrontation was fine but there was already another event happening (or at least attempting to) with Dark Archer. So that created a cluster fuck.
Satoshi in fact doesn't have the opportunity to deal with this. As Rin will be forced to point out Archer hates Sakura pretty much and Satoshi doesn't talk about this stuff in front of his sister. Both Archer and Taiga would have been away from the two boys if Rin hadn't tiraded on pointing her shining finger accusingly at Satoshi who has, yet again hurt no one in the process of his threats all of which to my recollection are bluffs.
and as mike said they aren't gone yet
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Luka watch out your virtue is at risk
again
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She doesn't know they're bluffs Lantz. Really, this situation is entirely your fault.
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Yeah, this is the problem. Neither she nor Kiyoshi know Satoshi was bluffing.
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Pointing magic fingers is not the way to get the answers. Threats aren't welcome
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But it was in character, and believable.
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I'd say that we've all made quite a few threats, lantz. Your characters included. Besides, such a situation is fairly fascinating from a pure roleplaying standpoint.
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The problem is that she's basically giving Lantz a warning for being wrong about things, and for expressing an opinion that she really doesn't like. Neither of those things deserve punishment. People are entitled to have different opinions and to dislike the admins.
And, frankly, Lantz has handled this exceptionally well. If I'd been in his shoes Alice would be getting a flamethrower in the face right now....
I just noticed this. Mike... This is quite frankly incredibly insulting. I did it more because "he had an opinion I didn't like."
I say that you have no right to say anything about this situation, because you don't understand anything about it properly. Or understand me, for that matter.
Sorry to bring this back up after the change in topic, but I really felt I needed to address this.
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Look, I'm sorry if what I said came across as insulting. I understand how upset you are and how much Lantz irritates you. I just have a fundamental issue with the idea of admins acting in anger. I don't blame you for feeling as you do and I don't really blame you for acting as you did, people do get upset and I know more than anyone that when you're angry you don't act perfectly rationally, but the idea of handing someone a warning because of your personal feelings, however justified, makes me deeply uncomfortable, especially after what Altima did to me.
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Will the administration please cease airing its dirty laundry in front of our faces and deal with its issues regarding moderation actions in private?
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Yeah YOLF but this what's called false tension. Given the participants there's no reason to believe she'll attack despite the posturing
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Oh really? Are you 100% sure of that Lantz?
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Will the administration please cease airing its dirty laundry in front of our faces and deal with its issues regarding moderation actions in private?
Sorry. It's just I wish Mike had done what you'd suggested in the first place, and kept it private as not to directly stab me in the back. Otherwise I would have had no need to address this publicly. Also, Mike's not an administrator, he's simply the Maintainer.
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Moving on, waiting on Alice, and mike. Please post as soon as possible so we can get the drama snowball to halt.
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See, you have your drama, but what's truly terrifying is the situation I'm in. If I post, that puts Luka one step closer to rape-ville. If I don't that makes me a coward of most epic proportions. Such terror.
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I swear if we get one more Vampire in this RP I will bring in a Vampire of my own.
Also finally posted, the first reason I waited so long was cause I wanted to give everyone a chance to post, and the second is that I forgot after waiting for two or so days but got right back on it lol. I swear I almost feel like a GM with all this chaos going on, though it is kinda fun, haven't really been able to RP in a RP without it dying the first week in.
Perhaps you guys should separate your characters? That could help ease the tension a bit for a while at least.
Also if I missed anybody let me know and I'll get on it asap, if you have any questions/complaints please let me know, I'm still kinda new to this so it's all good practice whether it be good or bad.
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Yay, Milbunk's back!
Say, who is it that Shezar's headed for? I understood everyone else.
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This one specifically: http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9868.html#msg9868 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9868.html#msg9868)
I believe Arch's request for a duel was going to be granted.
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See, you have your drama, but what's truly terrifying is the situation I'm in. If I post, that puts Luka one step closer to rape-ville. If I don't that makes me a coward of most epic proportions. Such terror.
You know you want to.
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I just realized that's not Arch's post but YOLFS, uh woops, should I change his action?
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Whoa whoa whoa hold on a moment. First, Max is invisible. Literally invisible, and any sound he makes is also null. The only way Shezar could notice him in that situation is if he passed through smoke and Shezar noticed it part through his passage, or if Shezar has some magical or otherwise supernatural means of seeing through his concealment.
Thanks to his night vision and enhanced senses, Max was able to notice Deacon Frost (thought he doesn't know it's Frost) in the night from where he was giving orders and is coming closer to see what he can learn.
So erm, yes, you should probably change that.
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Hmm yeah my apologies I had mistaken you for Arch, actually does Arch have his character ready at all? If not I shall simply just go a different route with Shezar.
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He's ready. Raul even in human form is a deadly combatant.
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If you want to do a post so that you're character is the one charging Shezar we could work that out.
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You know you want to.
Even if I claim I played it for the plot, no one will believe me. ;_;
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You know you want to.
Even if I claim I played it for the plot, no one will believe me. ;_;
I believe you! That in no way excludes the possibility that you know you want to.
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No commento.
What universe is Valda from anyway? I think you mentioned that you used something like WoD earlier to create an original character, but that might be me mixing your characters up with Magos's. All I know is that this shit be too good.
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Aiden, all your Fae be approved.
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If you want to do a post so that you're character is the one charging Shezar we could work that out.
Ze Grammar German says that's supposed to be 'Your' not 'you're'. SIEG GRAMMAR!
Anyway, I'll post like that along with Henderson's new post.
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No commento.
What universe is Valda from anyway? I think you mentioned that you used something like WoD earlier to create an original character, but that might be me mixing your characters up with Magos's. All I know is that this shit be too good.
Valda as you see her here is a personal creation, but the Mother of Fire is from Mage: the Awakening. Which is in the World of Darkness.
@Elf: Gooood. Though technically it's just one faerie!
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Valda as you see her here is a personal creation, but the Mother of Fire is from Mage: the Awakening. Which is in the World of Darkness.
@Elf: Gooood. Though technically it's just one faerie!
Mage gets freaking trippy at points. I mean, Changeling is trippy all the time but Mage? Mage can get so freaking insane. Paradox is some crazy shit.
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Oh and sorry YOLF Bonesington is too bro for this. ;_;
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How can one be too bro?
Also doesn't Valda have a little bit of inspiration from Ilyria from Angel?
Mil, I have a question about the circles.
Are they all in the same place, or are they across the city? I'm pretty sure they're at different spots in Nexus, I just wanted to make sure.
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How can one be too bro?
Also doesn't Valda have a little bit of inspiration from Ilyria from Angel?
Mil, I have a question about the circles.
Are they all in the same place, or are they across the city? I'm pretty sure they're at different spots in Nexus, I just wanted to make sure.
Yes, Valda does have a lot of Ilyria inspiration!
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Bonesington shall endeavor to continue being a bro.
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I meant it more in the line of 'sorry for making up some stupid shit to enable hypothetical discusssion/sexings'. IC Luka just wants to ask her some questions, but looking back on it, my post was a bit of a dick move that pushed away a true bro for no good reason. ;_;
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I meant it more in the line of 'sorry for making up some stupid shit to enable hypothetical discusssion/sexings'. IC Luka just wants to ask her some questions, but looking back on it, my post was a bit of a dick move that pushed away a true bro for no good reason. ;_;
It's cool.
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They are in 3 separate alleyways in a large circumference around the main circle, a fairly far distance away from each other.
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Well, I got Kiyoshi's post done at least, but Rider is going to have to wait for tomorrow, sorry. I've really not been in the mood to write much today, and I've also been dealing with a lot of stuff plus I worked late.
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Whoa, Mike. You're actually tugging at my heartstrings here. Kiyoshi sounds absolutely miserable. Nice job.
Oh, and I hope whatever stuff you're dealing with gets resolved soon. Good luck.
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Damn. Kyoshi is having it rough, no doubt. I'm actually feeling pretty bad for him too.
I second Bloble's sentiments. Good job with that post.
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Really? I mean, I wrote him to be upset, but I'm surprised that people are so sympathetic with him here.
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Funny you say that about vampires mil
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Really? I mean, I wrote him to be upset, but I'm surprised that people are so sympathetic with him here.
As a big brother myself, that last bit made me feel bad about every time I treated my own little bro badly. (Not often, but it's happened.) We get into arguments sometimes, and while most of the time it's all a jest, sometimes it gets real. This post? It was a bit too real.
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Sorry guys, I don't think I'm going to be getting my posts in tonight. I'm not feeling so hot. I might not for the next few days or even the next week either, but we'll see how things go.
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Sad to hear that. I hope you get better soon!
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>Fights rider
>"Didn't harm a hair on anyone's head"
One of these things is not like the other Lantz.
For that matter, they SAW HIM FIGHTING FOREST. And destroying oodles and oodles of property. So saying that he hasn't killed anyone yet is kinda hard to swallow, and a lie. Oh, so is the I am 2000 years old bullshit.
If anything this makes him come off as even more of an asshole.
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>Fights rider
>"Didn't harm a hair on anyone's head"
One of these things is not like the other Lantz.
Not really, Rider is obviously unharmed and doesn't seem to have any problems with Satoshi whatsoever.
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Not really, Rider is obviously unharmed and doesn't seem to have any problems with Satoshi whatsoever.
There is still the issue with Forest, and his general attitude about this which is "I'm always in the right" despite pretty obviously not being in the right here.
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I recall that he was more "running away from Forest". And, no, I don't think Kiyoshi did see that.
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And he did harm her in that. For that matter, what he claims is pretty much unbelievable. He's basically claiming he's Jesus Christ.
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Moving on, the adventure of sir bonsington and associates looks to be shaping up
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Oh, and Mike, how the hell will Kiyoshi react here to Satoshi mind you, ordering his family to leave him behind. For that matter, he can't prove any of his claims. In fact, this makes Satoshi sound like a lunatic with delusions of grandeur.
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Oh, and for that matter, you sorta godmodded to get everyone out of there.
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Oh, and Mike, how the hell will Kiyoshi react here to Satoshi mind you, ordering his family to leave him behind. For that matter, he can't prove any of his claims. In fact, this makes Satoshi sound like a lunatic with delusions of grandeur.
He's going to wonder where the hell they've gone, yes, although apparently they've not actually left the compound.
And, whilst he can't prove his claims, the fact that Rider is unharmed, came home freely and did not at minimum warn Kiyoshi to keep the hell away from Satoshi when he arrived does back up his claim, and Satoshi is Kiyoshi's brother so he's going to want to trust him.
Oh, and for that matter, you sorta godmodded to get everyone out of there.
How? It's a power she's already been shown to possess, and it's something Sakura could also do (excepting that she'd need a familiar somewhere to teleport herself to).
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How? It's a power she's already been shown to possess, and it's something Sakura could also do (excepting that she'd need a familiar somewhere to teleport herself to).
The problem is that she had no familiar to teleport to. Arguably you could say Satoshi would act as one because grail taint, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.
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Tsukasa does not need familiars to teleport.
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How? It's a power she's already been shown to possess, and it's something Sakura could also do (excepting that she'd need a familiar somewhere to teleport herself to).
The problem is that she had no familiar to teleport to. Arguably you could say Satoshi would act as one because grail taint, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Due to her nature, Tsukasa's control of shadow magic is stronger than Sakura's, so she can just teleport through shadows much like Gabriel can. Kiyoshi did already raise this point, but she never answered because of the other stuff happening.
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Tsukasa does not need familiars to teleport.
OK, then if her teleportation is pretty much identical to Sakura's, how the fuck can she do that?
How? It's a power she's already been shown to possess, and it's something Sakura could also do (excepting that she'd need a familiar somewhere to teleport herself to).
The problem is that she had no familiar to teleport to. Arguably you could say Satoshi would act as one because grail taint, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Due to her nature, Tsukasa's control of shadow magic is stronger than Sakura's, so she can just teleport through shadows much like Gabriel can. Kiyoshi did already raise this point, but she never answered because of the other stuff happening.
...That really doesn't make sense as Gabriel is a magical being intrinsically. He's a fairie. This sort of shit is their bread and butter.
Meanwhile, Tsukasa is... what the fuck is she anyway, I can't even tell because her profile is so brief. Some sort of grail mud entity I think?
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Correction is all you get arch
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Have a designated villain material character, everyone! 8D
I think I might've gone a little overboard making his sheet.
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Dislikes: happy families.
He's really not going to like my characters....
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He finds happy families boring, is why!
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Correction is all you get arch
...Where?
For that matter, how the hell is she human? That doesn't make sense at all Lantz.
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It makes sense in lantz's alternate universe, Arch. As long as his characters are internally consistent, you can't really do much here.
And I've been thinking. Now that we have 9 character slots, we can run the gamut of character alignments. I'm talking making 9 characters with every different alignment, all the way from Good to Evil, Lawful to Chaotic. Anyone here up to the challenge?
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Let's see... I have Outrageously Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Lawful Evil (mostly Neutral), Chaotic Good, and Chaotic Evil.
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It makes sense in lantz's alternate universe, Arch. As long as his characters are internally consistent, you can't really do much here.
And I've been thinking. Now that we have 9 character slots, we can run the gamut of character alignments. I'm talking making 9 characters with every different alignment, all the way from Good to Evil, Lawful to Chaotic. Anyone here up to the challenge?
Being internally consistant doesn't make it any less stupid from the rules of the Nasuverse, which this is an AU of. We shouldn't even be calling it an Alternate Universe at this point, more like an Original Universe that wears the nasuverse face like a universe version of Leatherface.
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It makes sense in lantz's alternate universe, Arch. As long as his characters are internally consistent, you can't really do much here.
And I've been thinking. Now that we have 9 character slots, we can run the gamut of character alignments. I'm talking making 9 characters with every different alignment, all the way from Good to Evil, Lawful to Chaotic. Anyone here up to the challenge?
So far I have Neutral, Lawful Neutral, and Lawful Evil. So I could theoretically do it.
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Exactly Bloble, I have never said my stuff matches everything perfectly (especially when the author keeps releasing side material which adds new shit or "corrects" "misconceptions")
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It makes sense in lantz's alternate universe, Arch. As long as his characters are internally consistent, you can't really do much here.
Honestly, I was considering whether it was plausible to make Sakura be able to use shadows to teleport, and I came close to deciding it was, so I don't think it's that far off the mark.
And I've been thinking. Now that we have 9 character slots, we can run the gamut of character alignments. I'm talking making 9 characters with every different alignment, all the way from Good to Evil, Lawful to Chaotic. Anyone here up to the challenge?
I can't, Kiyoshi and Rider already have the same alignment....
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Even going by the material given at the time you supposedly wrote this, that shit doesn't work.
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I said before people need to chill out.
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I said before people need to chill out.
I'm perfectly calm. I'm just pointing out that despite your claims of AU status, your fic is about as related to the Nasuverse as Halloween III was to all the other Halloween movies.
In other words, in name only. Everything else is SO DIFFERENT there's no real reason to even call it a fanfiction anymore really.
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That's because you know nothing about the story or any of the preceding events arch
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...No. No, I've read the story. At least, what you've posted about it and from it.
It really has no true connection to the Nasuverse because the mechanics and concepts behind it are basically thrown out a window, beaten to death with a sledgehammer, then reanimated by running fishing line through the decaying corpse and using it like a puppet, and the puppeteer has no fucking clue what he's doing.
Really, for a story you already have apparently written out, the next chapter is taking an awfully long time to post. And the characterization of the characters we do see is so off and wrong that it makes no damn sense. They're like puppets on strings, except the person puppeting them has parkinsons and no idea how people actually live, talk, or act. It takes a lot of effort Lantz to get so much WRONG like you did. I have to give you props for that you really went the extra mile to screw things up.
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Magos, stop it. This is the Cross Effects discussion thread not the "rip Lantz's stories to shreds" thread.
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When all but TWO of his characters are from this universe (And one of these characters hasn't showed up and the other hasn't had a post involving her in freaking MONTHS) then it sorta is relevant.
But I will stop.
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If you think that's the story arch then you are sorely mistaken
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*Facepalm*
OK. Then what is the story lantz? Because I don't know what it is, and no one else knows what it is. I understand you're horrible at communication but let me ask a simple question -
What is your logic behind skipping all the things that make the Nasuverse the Nasuverse.
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I'm not doing that.
I would explain further but I've been clear about insulting posts and overblown rants. I ignore them, for good reason.
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I'm not doing that.
I would explain further but I've been clear about insulting posts and overblown rants. I ignore them, for good reason.
Yes. Yes you are.
Explain further because all you're doing by not telling us is making you look even more ignorant about well, everything. Basically, we wouldn't be insulting you as much as we have if you'd freaking explain your logic, so we can understand where you're coming from. It's simple as that.
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Until the insults reach zero I'm afraid I can't. Insults are ignored, simple as that
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Magos, he doesn't have to explain anything unless it's relevant in the context of the RP. Asking about that story is a lost cause.
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Lantz, you will never get zero insults. That's part of being a writer. Deal with it.
And Bloble, I say it is relevant because of the characters he did bring in from there. Especially when it clashes from what we know about the nasuverse. Otherwise, right. It's a lost cause because of how thickheadedly stubborn Lantz is.
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In this case, since we have characters from a million and one different setting around, I don't think it matters too much.
Let's just drop the matter.
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So, anyone want to stop at a humanoid abomination's bar? You guys sound like you need to take a load off, have a round or two, maybe engage in some intoxicated fisticuffs that produce delicious rage to be fed upon and bring you a measure of catharsis.
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Henderson. Probably. Hunting for lawn gnomes is thirsty work.
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Jojo can stop by and have metaphorical old man talk with Henderson, once I introduce the bastard.
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Ketsumoto Uchiten is approved!
Also, one's the seductive spawn of an improbable union, the other was the worse vampire to ever exist until he was cursed with a soul. Together, they will stop Downy Reed.
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Ketsumoto Uchiten is approved!
Also, one's the seductive spawn of an improbable union, the other was the worse vampire to ever exist until he was cursed with a soul. Together, they will stop Downy Reed.
Eeeeeeeexcellent.
Evil scheming is proceeding, please await warmly for a chaotic entrance from Uchiten in the future~
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Rin is Rin and Dark Archer's thought process makes him either a dick or senseless
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Rin is Rin and Dark Archer's thought process makes him either a dick or senseless
Well, he is sort of a dick to everyone who isn't Rin, so that means I'm doing my job.
Dark Archer's MO is pretty obvious. Rin>>>> Before everyone else. Unless Ilya shows up. Then it would be Rin>Ilya>>>>> Everyone else.
Unless its something that would effect/hurt Rin. Like if Sakura shows up and is in danger? D. Archer will save her despite the fact he hates Sakura with pretty much every fiber of his being. However he'll save her because he knows that will make Rin happy.
Like if Rin wanted a threesome with Lancer, she could talk him into doing it. Of course he'd be a giant douche to Lancer the entire time, but it's what Rin wants.
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Perhaps, still it does make him a little dull imo.
also nefarious box lol
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Perhaps, still it does make him a little dull imo.
also nefarious box lol
I could say something about how all your characters are both dull and jerks in response to that lovely statement, but that'd be ignoring the fact that I'm supposed to be taking a siesta from your stuff in general.
Like if Rin wanted a threesome with Lancer, she could talk him into doing it. Of course he'd be a giant douche to Lancer the entire time, but it's what Rin wants.
You hinting at something there? :3
Though the trick is getting Lancer in the correct position. He is already chasing after two girls after all. While I have no doubt he'd be more than happy to have fun times with Rin, how will he juggle all that at once? Especially since one of the girls he's chasing is Rin's daughter. ^^"
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My point was if Archer's only reaction to anyone but Rin is dismissal, snark and distrust then there's almost no reason to repeatedly interact with him because the result is the exact same.
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Well, FSN's Archer's reaction to pretty much everyone is dismissal, snark, and criticism.
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Plus wait until Dark Archer figures out that not only do Lancer and Tom go at each other like, well, dogs and cats, but also that Tom is going out with Lancer's Landlady that Lancer respects and trusts. :3 Things will really spice up then, believe you me.
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Well yeah elf. But this version seems immovable, like there's no give so even when people are honest there's no way to connect with him
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Unless its something that would effect/hurt Rin. Like if Sakura shows up and is in danger? D. Archer will save her despite the fact he hates Sakura with pretty much every fiber of his being. However he'll save her because he knows that will make Rin happy.
How's he going to cope when they get back to Rin's universe...?
Well yeah elf. But this version seems immovable, like there's no give so even when people are honest there's no way to connect with him
Well, not being someone who Rin is angry at or Sakura's son might help with that....
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Well yeah elf. But this version seems immovable, like there's no give so even when people are honest there's no way to connect with him
From what I gather, he doesn't give a shit about most people, hates most of what's left and only likes a few from the remaining pool.
Basically even if you're honest at him, he doesn't give a shit about you, and talking to him for five minutes won't make that change in the least. So of course he's going to be dismissive of you.
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How's he going to cope when they get back to Rin's universe...?
He's willing to make sacrifices for Rin. So he'll just treat Sakura with indifference. Depending on if he's corrupted or not, hell, either way, he's still going to taunt his younger self because its fun.
SPOILER is approved!
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Wouldn't she be around Rin quite often, though? And at pretty much any happy occasion (well, barring really private ones)....
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Wouldn't she be around Rin quite often, though? And at pretty much any happy occasion (well, barring really private ones)....
Rin spends most of her time in London, remember the HF true ending? He can put on a false face for Rin I'm betting.
Rin is Rin and Dark Archer's thought process makes him either a dick or senseless
Also, Lantz. Oh the hypocrisy. Either a dick or senseless sums up all your characters so so well.
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Wouldn't she be around Rin quite often, though? And at pretty much any happy occasion (well, barring really private ones)....
Rin spends most of her time in London, remember the HF true ending? He can put on a false face for Rin I'm betting.
The impression I got was that that was a pretty temporary thing, and that she intended to return to Fuyuki as soon as she could. And, plus, I can't imagine Archer would fit in too well at the Association, especially if he's still corrupted at that point. Let alone Ryoko, her corruption alone would be enough to get her slapped with a Sealing Designation if they're not careful.
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That wasn't the impression I got from the ending. Seriously, Mike, HF True isn't the BEST ENDING EVAR for Sakura and Rin - I can tell you that the two sisters would likely try and stay at arms length most of the time.
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That wasn't the impression I got from the ending. Seriously, Mike, HF True isn't the BEST ENDING EVAR for Sakura and Rin - I can tell you that the two sisters would likely try and stay at arms length most of the time.
It's not the "best ending evar", no, but it's pretty clear that Rin wants to see Sakura more often, and vice-versa. She even fantasises about winning a magical competition so she can get the money to make the Jewelled Sword and then return home.
They're sisters, they spent their entire childhoods apart and they definitely want to rebuild their relationship. There is no indication anywhere in the game that they would try to stay at arms length, and you're the first person I've seen to claim that.
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I'm saying at the time period this Rin is from at least - she'll probably be considering what exactly to do about Sakura, and she does eventually decide to spend more time with her.
At first, she's probably not sure what to do about Sakura entirely - rebuild the relationship yes, but at this point getting too close could jeopardize it.
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I'm saying at the time period this Rin is from at least - she'll probably be considering what exactly to do about Sakura, and she does eventually decide to spend more time with her.
At first, she's probably not sure what to do about Sakura entirely - rebuild the relationship yes, but at this point getting too close could jeopardize it.
Well, I think that she'd pretty obviously look to spend more time with her. You can't rebuild a relationship if you never talk. She might not know exactly how to go about it, but she wouldn't want to avoid her, certainly.
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I'm sure while she does spend more time with her, it's probably not with lovey dovey family stuff. It's probably slight changes at first before she shifts into "I <3 my sister" mode, and that will probably not happen for years, if not a decade or two.
It isn't an overnight thing.
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I don't think that's true, though. She clearly already loves her sister. She might find it hard to express it openly at first, yes, but she'll still treat her like a sister.
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I don't think that's true, though. She clearly already loves her sister. She might find it hard to express it openly at first, yes, but she'll still treat her like a sister.
You're not actually contradicting what he's saying, you're just understating the difficulties they'll have.
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People can love each other and have difficulties interacting. See couples who break up and get back together a dozen times before tying the knot. Families that hate each other's guts one moment and stick together the next (watch Malcolm in the Middle for a good example). Long separated relatives learning to live with each other means roadblocks and some hard times as they grow used to one another and learn to interact more intimately. For Rin and Sakura, the situation would be much the same.
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Yeah, sure, there are going to be some difficulties there, but that's not going to stop them from trying, or make them treat each other distantly. They just might find it difficult sometimes.
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I'll take this dance!
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I think, that might've ended up being a bit too purple prose-y. It's difficult to write a snazzy and moody introduction to a character who is an evil specter when you've gotten too used to the pretentiousness of Nasu describing AM and the like, as well as the general japanese writing style for this sort of thing and all you can come up with ends up sounding like condescending light novel crap in your head.
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If you're fine with cheating a bit, just read a book or something with the same tone you're trying to capture, and then immediately afterwards write your post. The feel of it should stick around long enough to colour your post with similar prose.
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Uuuuuuuhhhh.... what the fuck there Lantz.
I mean seriously. What the fuck just happened there. Why is he carrying Gundam parts around. That doesn't make sense. If they were in the trunk that makes even LESS SENSE because Rin brought something in that was a weapon. So what the fuck.
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That sir, is not a gundam
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The Gouf is superior. >.>
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That sir, is not a gundam
Still from the same franchise. Nitpicking there Lantz. And the question still stands.
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That sir, is not a gundam
Still from the same franchise. Nitpicking there Lantz. And the question still stands.
It's one of those Gundam toy models you build. That he had in his pockets. No, no idea why he had one in there.
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That sir, is not a gundam
Still from the same franchise. Nitpicking there Lantz. And the question still stands.
It's one of those Gundam toy models you build. That he had in his pockets. No, no idea why he had one in there.
For that matter, how wasn't it broken earlier? Is it made of adamantium.
And lantz, if you say "Character trait" I swear to god I'm slapping you because that isn't a legit excuse for an apparently serious character. I could see Henderson doing it but Henderson is fucking insane.
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Hammerspace! :D
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Again, for a non serious character (Like Suetoshi somehow is) that doesn't really work. Especially since such a thing in the Nasuverse would imply access to the second magic.
...Please don't tell me my growing sense of dread is proving true.
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It's called gunpla
and building models is his hobby which is a character trait
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Normally I'd agree with Magos, but...
It's a Zaku. It's a RED Zaku. Just for that, I don't care about logic.
And lantz, quick: Which is better: G, SEED, or Wing? Correct answer gets you +50 Blob points.
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It's called gunpla
and building models is his hobby which is a character trait
It doesn't justify carrying the parts around with him all the damn time. You don't see me carrying a box of Possessed or Havoc's around all the time.
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Wing is clearly better . Better everything.
his OCD is the justification.
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If it's OCD and he's somehow compelled to build them despite the situation, why hasn't he done so before? What makes this particular time special?
And, also, yeah, where does he keep these things? Does he just carry a couple of spare models around in case he's bored or something?
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Wing is clearly better . Better everything.
his OCD is the justification.
.... you get 10. G is of course superior, but at least you didn't say SEED. Wing was pretty good too.
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If it's OCD and he's somehow compelled to build them despite the situation, why hasn't he done so before? What makes this particular time special?
And, also, yeah, where does he keep these things? Does he just carry a couple of spare models around in case he's bored or something?
Yeah, if this an OCD thing, why hasn't he done it before? Where would he keep the models? These things aren't small, and IIRC probably need glue to be assembled.
For that matter isn't Satoshi still corrupted?
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Oh, ok sorry bloble, I thought by g you meant that weird 3d mini gundam show.
of course gundam is best.
gunpla do no need glue and the high grade are smallest of the three grades.
he carries one or two high grades around in case he can't find something to build.
this situation is particularly stressful so his disorder is flaring up
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...And being attacked by Angra isn't stressful? Raul's sudden appearance wasn't stressful? Inferno Cop arresting him wasn't stressful?
Again, I have no idea what the size on these things are but from the hobby stores where I have seen models like this, they have to be at least... what, a foot high? Likely larger? So where is he even keeping a pair and how are they not damaged by all the shit that's happened here?
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Arch, there are different sizes and Grades. And this is a viable excuse. The earlier situations, while physically a threat, weren't very emotionally draining or painful. This, on the other hand, having to say painful things to people he loves, is much more painful to Satoshi, at least by my guess. So the disorder thing is viable, kinda.
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Again, I have no idea what the size on these things are but from the hobby stores where I have seen models like this, they have to be at least... what, a foot high? Likely larger?
According to Google...it's 1:144 scale, around 4~6 inches it says here.
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Arch, there are different sizes and Grades. And this is a viable excuse. The earlier situations, while physically a threat, weren't very emotionally draining or painful. This, on the other hand, having to say painful things to people he loves, is much more painful to Satoshi, at least by my guess. So the disorder thing is viable, kinda.
According to Google...it's 1:144 scale, around 4~6 inches it says here.
Still a question of how they're undamaged.
And if being arrested isn't emotional stress I'll eat a hat.
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I dunno. I'm leaving it to lantz from here. It's his character. My guesses aren't going to help much.
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And if being arrested isn't emotional stress I'll eat a hat.
It is for a normal person, not so much for someone who fully intends to bust out at the first opportunity anyway....
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And if being arrested isn't emotional stress I'll eat a hat.
It is for a normal person, not so much for someone who fully intends to bust out at the first opportunity anyway....
It is for someone who knows what US prisons are like.
You either become Bubba's bitch, get shanked by the Aryan Brotherhood for being a race traitor, or by the Latin Kings or the Black Guerilla's for the same, or join in with one of them and then get shanked by someone in one of the other gangs.
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Like I said, that's only true if Satoshi had the slighest intention of letting himself spend any time whatsoever in prison, which he clearly didn't.
Also, that stuff isn't really so scary when you can beat up the entirety of the "Aryan Brotherhood" by yourself whilst standing on your head and using only one finger to fight, which I think most of our characters could....
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Like I said, that's only true if Satoshi had the slighest intention of letting himself spend any time whatsoever in prison, which he clearly didn't.
Also, that stuff isn't really so scary when you can beat up the entirety of the "Aryan Brotherhood" by yourself whilst standing on your head and using only one finger to fight, which I think most of our characters could....
Even then that'd be probably on his mind at least a little. Even if you're planning to escape, if you kill a cop you are in so much shit it isn't even funny.
I think you're implying that they also don't have their own supernatural killers in the system. A single bribe, and suddenly you've got a Loup Garou as a cellmate at the time of the full moon. Enjoy your death.
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It doesn't justify carrying the parts around with him all the damn time. You don't see me carrying a box of Possessed or Havoc's around all the time.
That's because that would make you a filthy heretic.
And Lantz, really the one question I have about the durability is: How did it emerge from Inferno Cop's car EXPLODING HIM completely undamaged? I mean, I don't care about satoshi being alive and a-ok because he's a pseudo-lich (with his phylactery in avalon), but a model would have sustained damage.
I mean, just have the narrative point out "he did what he could with the damaged pieces" or something. It's not a big deal, but it hurts my OCD to see such perfect model construction despite such damaging circumstance, of which circumstances of far less heat and power would have warped any other model, even a smaller one. Which I know from experience.
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Even then that'd be probably on his mind at least a little. Even if you're planning to escape, if you kill a cop you are in so much shit it isn't even funny.
I think you're assuming more respect for and interest in the law than Satoshi has in this situation. I don't think he's remotely bothered about the legality of his actions, if he was he wouldn't have built a massive castle in the middle of the city in the first place....
I see no reason for him to be particularly stressed about the police showing up and arresting him. Sure it's a pain in the ass, but it's not emotionally stressful. It's just another annoying problem to deal with. Even more so when Tsukasa showed up and, thus, gave him an easier way out.
I think you're implying that they also don't have their own supernatural killers in the system. A single bribe, and suddenly you've got a Loup Garou as a cellmate at the time of the full moon. Enjoy your death.
I've not seen any indication of such, and even if they did exist I doubt there are that many more powerful than Satoshi, particularly since being powerful tends to mean you don't get arrested in the first place....
And Lantz, really the one question I have about the durability is: How did it emerge from Inferno Cop's car EXPLODING HIM completely undamaged? I mean, I don't care about satoshi being alive and a-ok because he's a pseudo-lich (with his phylactery in avalon), but a model would have sustained damage.
I think Toshi was pulled out of the car before it exploded. He set the flame going and then got Tsukasa to warp him out.
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particularly since being powerful tends to mean you don't get arrested in the first place....
Satoshi got arrested, though.
Also, I could make a list of supernaturally powerful thingies that get arrested too, if you want.
Hurry Durrsden, wizard extraordinaire and more recently gigantic nerd takes the head of that list.
The dragonborn, if you somehow have no cash on you at level 70/higher and don't want no trabble
Skinwalkers, but you wouldn't know if they're powerful until after they eat you
I could go on
I think Toshi was pulled out of the car before it exploded. He set the flame going and then got Tsukasa to warp him out.
Nah, I made the car blow up in the ONE INSTANCE where Inferno Cop was 100% in character. Lantz had nothing to do with it.
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Ever hear of this sort of thing Mike? You get a hitter from the outside arrested on some charges, fast-tracked through the system through bribes and due to certain heinous crimes, and then into the same cell as the target.
They're out the next week as the arresting officer violated certain procedures.
Do. Not. Fuck. With. Organized. Crime.
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Satoshi was ported out before any damage occurred.
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I don't think you get to dictate that as it's Infernocop's car. And you sorta jumped the gun on Nachos plan.
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Wasn't talking about the car
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Even then the fire should have damaged the model.
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that didn't happen before I made the car explosion happen, I checked before I'd posted and the was the "explosion of blood" but no taking Satoshi out of the car itself
Satoshi would not have died, therefore I broke no rules
Satoshi has no time-rewind abilities, therefore cannot perform actions before an action that has already happened
therefore what
and if you're not talking about the car exploding, then what are you talking about. there is literally nothing else with this context you could have been talking about, unless you're saying something in relation to something that happened a few pages ago and not letting anyone know what it is beforehand
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More then certain I was clear about pulling out before you made the car explode
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Okay yeah I checked again and you displaced both satoshit and tsukasa-es-micasa three blocks from the car
without any kind of preparation or familiar to play switcharoo with, which what you bordering on true magic there sonny
but yeah not in the car. Admittance of failure on my part.
I will now go flay myself in repentance.
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Since Archer and Rin have chosen not to believe Satoshi and Rin entirely missed the point of what he was saying to begin with I feel that it would be best to finish off this pointless event as soon as possible.
with that in mind, can I post now mike? Because I really want to spend time dealing with constructive characters rather than abusive ones.
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Really, I could say the same about your characters, but a part of me likes tearing apart Toshi's insults and hypocrisy. Especially funny considering that this is... what, the second or third time you've insulted the GM's own character to her face within the past day or two?
By the way, one last counterargument that I won't edit in because it'd obscure the flow of the RP post (plus having Rin think of this on the fly is probably a bit OOC, as highly intelligent as she is):
Toshi's point about Archer having a tactical advantage on the rooftop is moot in this case. See, the advantage Archer has on a rooftop normally is a height advantage. A classic mantra in tactical planning is to always take the higher ground, after all, and this is especially true for archers.
...Except Toshi and Archer would both be on the rooftop. On even ground. Where Archer has no height advantage. Where Toshi as a melee fighter has few obstacles to keep him from just charging Archer with his sword.
So Toshi apparently has a very tenuous grasp on basic battle tactics.
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Moving on, seriously mike need an answer.
bloble what's with bird, trash monster sorta thing? I was lookin through your characters and I dunno what is going on.
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Yeah, Lantz, I was in bed, asking again is not going to magically wake me up so I can respond....
As for what you said, I'm not sure. It's going to make things awkward for me if you post now, because Kiyoshi would respond to this stuff. It depends what exactly you want Toshi to do here....
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Let's see if we can get good porn done in less than 7 posts here.
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You know, I'm kind-of interested to have Ruu meet Rider. I wonder what he'd make of her....
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You know, I'm kind-of interested to have Ruu meet Rider. I wonder what he'd make of her....
You're getting that answer (probably) soon.
I'll just say that the long hair, her uncommon eyes and breaker gorgon are sure to make him curious. If he ever saw the pegasus and got a ride, she would basically unlock best friend ever status.
He would be more friendly/intrigued with/in Kiyoshi than Rider though. Especially if he shows him, Kuro, his familiar. (Could even follow him around)
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Normally, children terrify Rider, but after playing nursemaid to Sakura's brood for a couple of decades, I bet she's over the loli fear.
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Moving on, seriously mike need an answer.
bloble what's with bird, trash monster sorta thing? I was lookin through your characters and I dunno what is going on.
It's my latest character, SPOILER. Don't worry, the only thing I didn't write down was his name, his abilities are all there.
And basically, think of it as a a bird shaped lump of metal stuff kinda clumped together randomly from a bunch of stuff.
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Thanks Bloble, just needed to know what the case was.
in short mike, he'll be leaving the kitchen. He did what he could and told the straight truth. There was no arrogance in his voice or any such other things. He told the truth, they chose not to believe him and I've officially gotten sick of reading what is effectively hate mail.
so I want to leave the kitchen and these two behind asap
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I think you're overreacting.
I mean, other RP characters don't like your RP character, big deal. And really, their characters have reasons behind this, so it's good RPing.
Try not to take it so personally.
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If he ever saw the pegasus and got a ride, she would basically unlock best friend ever status.
Well, Kiyoshi also enjoys Pegasus rides....
He would be more friendly/intrigued with/in Kiyoshi than Rider though. Especially if he shows him, Kuro, his familiar. (Could even follow him around)
Lol, yeah, I was thinking he'd be interested in Kuro.
Remember, though, that Rider is also a familiar. A slightly unusual one, yes, but a familiar nevertheless. And, unlike Ruu, she's still contracted to her original summoner and protective of her.
Normally, children terrify Rider, but after playing nursemaid to Sakura's brood for a couple of decades, I bet she's over the loli fear.
They do? Where does that come from?
But, yeah, she's spent 30 years with Sakura and helping look after her kids, she's not going to have an issue with children.
Thanks Bloble, just needed to know what the case was.
in short mike, he'll be leaving the kitchen. He did what he could and told the straight truth. There was no arrogance in his voice or any such other things. He told the truth, they chose not to believe him and I've officially gotten sick of reading what is effectively hate mail.
so I want to leave the kitchen and these two behind asap
Well, what about Kiyoshi? He's going to want to be able to reply, and if Satoshi is just going to walk away before he gets a chance that's going to cause problems, both IC and OOC. But, if it doesn't cause me problems I'm OK with it, because I would like to get this over with, really, and there's nothing in there that he absolutely has to reply to right now.
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He's going to halt the argument and tell Kiyoshi he'll answer any questions after his meeting then he'll head upstairs to get that finished. Names dude the stupid fucking quote names like hypocritical jerkface and shit are nasty, unnecessary and mean spirited. I've no desire to read though shit like that anymore.
besides that the conversation is no doubt circular at this point so ending it is the best course of events.
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Go ahead, then, if it gets Satoshi out of there and stops the pointless arguments then I think it's worth it.
Elf is before you too, though, so you might want to check with her as well.
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No she's not, she just spoke to Satoshi and I,haven't replied
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Normally, children terrify Rider, but after playing nursemaid to Sakura's brood for a couple of decades, I bet she's over the loli fear.
They do? Where does that come from?
But, yeah, she's spent 30 years with Sakura and helping look after her kids, she's not going to have an issue with children.
HA. It's because of her sisters if I remember right. :)
And lantz, remember what people (including Elf) were saying before about your characters being so unpleasant and unlikeable meaning that they would get reacted to negatively and/or ignored? This is precisely what this is.
Plus it's just happening in the RP, lantz. The fact that you're being this defensive of Toshi is a major red flag for certain things...
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Well, quoting Lantz's characters with things like "Lantzsues" is not an in-character thing. You don't have to be nice to his characters, but things like insulting quote names do come across as being deliberately nasty.
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Exactly mike, it's wrong.
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Quote names? Oooh, so that's what you meant....
Yeah, seriously, either leave it as the original user's name, or change it to the character's correct name, because come on, we're all adults. We should be able to have our RP characters bashing eachother in the face, verbally or otherwise, while remaining perfectly civil OOC.
And while not taking things too personally at the same time.
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I would agree with you normally (my frustration over what's happened is definitely leaking out there...), but note he's not complaining about Rin alone here. He's complaining about Dark Archer too. And Elf didn't do the same things I did (honestly, I'm surprised he isn't upset by Shuya too).
Quite frankly, he shouldn't dish out (somewhat insulting) criticism towards Elf's character if he can't take it himself. And he's insulted said character both outside the RP and within it. When he's demanding that he get treated better than the GM on that front, there's a problem.
And yeah, I'll edit it... but for Nachos, not for lantz.
And lantz, you're hardly one to talk there, considering that you're fine with berating the GM to her face.
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Misreading my posts Alice I'm asking no such thing
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Frankly if Mike doesn't have a problem with it, Toshi can just leave the kitchen so this Drama can just stop.
If he can't handle D. Archer being an asshole, which he has pretty much been an asshole to everyone else so far except the Rins, then that's fine.
However, Forest isn't going to be overjoyed to find out that there are secret meetings going on in her home and nefarious boxes.
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No no, Alice, you know when above a quote it's written "Written by [Dave] on the 11 of july 11:45"?
Well he's unhappy about people changing that to "Hypocrite" and "Lantzsues" for him and his, which hey is not that cool a thing to do.
THAT'S what he's complaining about, not his treatment relative to Elf's.
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Nah, I know what you're talking about. I probably did a crappy job explaining myself there.
What I'm saying is that he's bitching both about D. Archer and Rin there. How mean they're being to Toshi or whatever. Which he brought on himself by his own actions. Plus, again, shouldn't be getting that defensive of a character.
Mike and you are the ones that pointed out about my quoting, and you're right, I shouldn'tve let my personal feelings get the better of me there.
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Again Alice you completely misunderstood my point. It has nothing to do with what you surmise
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Ooh, how about you give Kiyoshi the Zaku to make him feel better? Kids love toys! (I know it's not actually a toy but whatever)
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Ooh, how about you give Kiyoshi the Zaku to make him feel better? Kids love toys! (I know it's not actually a toy but whatever)
That is actually a fantastic idea and would do a lot to make Toshi more likable.
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I don't see the problem here lantz - your characters act like hypocritical jerkwads they get treated like hypocritical jerkwads.
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Again Alice you completely misunderstood my point. It has nothing to do with what you surmise
What am I misunderstanding there, lantz? Admittedly, I missed the part about the quotes, but that's not the one I'm talking about and you didn't even say that shit until later (btw, I'd edited that already, so you're full of shit. I just edited it again, but quite frankly maybe I should edit that back in, because what's the damn point otherwise)
This is the quote I was talking about, among several like it:
Thanks Bloble, just needed to know what the case was.
in short mike, he'll be leaving the kitchen. He did what he could and told the straight truth. There was no arrogance in his voice or any such other things. He told the truth, they chose not to believe him and I've officially gotten sick of reading what is effectively hate mail.
so I want to leave the kitchen and these two behind asap
You're a damn liar lantz, just like Satoshi is a liar.
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I don't see the problem here lantz - your characters act like hypocritical jerkwads they get treated like hypocritical jerkwads.
Magos, please stop it.
This is from the GM, no more hostile stuff OCC.
If you don't like a player, ignore them and their characters, as simple as that.
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I'm not lying Alice. He told the truth and they ignored it in favor of complaining at him further. Since the situation will not change it has become circular and circular situations are pointless and Rin is just bleeding hate at him which makes it dull.
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Remember, though, that Rider is also a familiar. A slightly unusual one, yes, but a familiar nevertheless. And, unlike Ruu, she's still contracted to her original summoner and protective of her.
Yeah I didn't forget, although Ruu doesn't even know what's a Servant, let alone they have a Master. For now, he only met Archer(Alice's) who's still bond to a Master and didn't pick up on the kind of relationship they have. 'Look like friends' would be his assumption for now. So, unless he gets a clear explanation(he's a bit slow), there's little chances he would understand by himself that Rider is a familiar, especially when her Master isn't around yet. Kuro and Kiyoshi, on the other hand, it is easy to understand.
(honestly, I'm surprised he isn't upset by Shuya too)
Only my guess but, might have to do with Satoshi saying he wouldn't bother with him, which is probably not a bad choice.
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No daiki that is not why dude.
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Yeah I didn't forget, although Ruu doesn't even know what's a Servant, let alone they have a Master. For now, he only met Archer(Alice's) who's still bond to a Master and didn't pick up on the kind of relationship they have. 'Look like friends' would be his assumption for now. So, unless he gets a clear explanation(he's a bit slow), there's little chances he would understand by himself that Rider is a familiar, especially when her Master isn't around yet. Kuro and Kiyoshi, on the other hand, it is easy to understand.
Well, yeah, true, but Rider is not really keeping it a secret, and if he tells her he's a familiar she would probably outright admit it.
You're right about Kuro (although technically he's Sakura's familiar rather than Kiyoshi's, at least mostly), but Kuro is also not sentient.
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I'm not lying Alice. He told the truth and they ignored it in favor of complaining at him further. Since the situation will not change it has become circular and circular situations are pointless and Rin is just bleeding hate at him which makes it dull.
What I meant is that you were acting as if what I did was the only issue, so that's lying.
And as for what Satoshi said, his actions contradict what he's telling them. Rin knows this. She's seen little positive from him. He insulted her lover and the father of her child. She saw him threaten Hakuno's Archer and defend her shooter right in front of her. He pretty much ignored Kiyoshi in favor of trying to make himself look better. And failing. Miserably. Both Rin and D. Archer have reason to both really dislike him and distrust him. Because they don't know Toshi won't hurt them. Rin has seen evidence that he would very much so hurt them if they do certain things.
They're very much acting in character here. You're just too drawn up in seeing Toshi as this perfect paragon who no one should ever dare say anything wrong about to see it. Again, being that defensive over a character is a major red flag.
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Alice if that were true then Satoshi would not have just copped to being insensitive in his approach
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...No, he didn't.
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Yeah arch he did
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lantz, he was already being insensitive. You just don't see it.
EDIT: And couldn't be any nicer to Kiyoshi or give him any more acknowledgement than that, huh? Didn't even give him the Gundam figure? ...lantz, are you trying to make Toshi unlikeable?
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Yeah arch he did
Not really, and he doesn't seem to in any way be apologetic for being a dick.
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You perceive everything as insensitive Alice. You quite often misread my posts with worst view so I can't say I understand your viewpoint
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That figure is char's ms while not technically a bad guy it makes more sense to build gundam and give it to him.
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That's a gross exaggeration and you know it lantz. Also, a case of the pot calling the kettle black. And no, I'd say I'm reading your posts just fine...
And it still would have been a gift. To a little boy, a giant robot is a giant robot. It would have been a kind gesture at least instead of the almost complete dismissal he's been showing Kiyoshi thus far.
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Oh my God just drop it already, this isn't going to go anywhere.
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Yes, listen to Aiden. Drop this thing, Satoshi is already on his way to leave the argument anyway.
It's pointless to continue.
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Yes but Alice since you know nothing about gunpla you would think that.
the figure is finished but there's a bunch of other stuff to do with it. The weapons and stickers, the latter of which is nearly impossible without tweezers of similar.
and my post was made before bloble brought the idea up to be clear.
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Okay seriously, Admin post now:
Drop the entire argument. The encounter is on its ass end in the RP anyway, and what you're all getting hot and bothered about is already done and over with. It's promoting a bad attitude to adopt.
Move along. I don't want to see another post in this pointless argument, from anyone.
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On a more positive note, is Valda going to get her some psudo-shota cock?
It's probably small and cute.
That's right, I have no shame.
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On a more positive note, is Valda going to get her some psudo-shota cock?
It's probably small and cute.
That's right, I have no shame.
Yes. Yes she is.
And yes you'll actually get to see it.
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You can't run away Bloble.
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Well, he can run. ...But he can't hide~
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Yes. Yes she is.
And yes you'll actually get to see it.
Hah, nice!
I look forward to it. I can attest to Aiden's porn skills.
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Thus, Japanese porn will proceed to get its shit wrecked by better written western porn that doesn't rely on stupid euphemisms, and actually knows what foreplay is.
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Thus, Japanese porn will proceed to get its shit wrecked by better written western porn that doesn't rely on stupid euphemisms, and actually knows what foreplay is.
Exactly!
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But what if someone's hips start moving on their own? Surely that would be something important they have to declare as soon as it occurs.
Loudly.
And without intention to stop and react to/observe the phenomenon.
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Thus, Japanese porn will proceed to get its shit wrecked by better written western porn that doesn't rely on stupid euphemisms, and actually knows what foreplay is.
Comrade!
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Hmm, Magos, Rider is still waiting on you to post. Or do you just want us to keep going?
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Just keep going. Jack's said his piece.
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Let's see has everyone had a chance to respond to my stuff? I feel like I'm missing someone.
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Let's see has everyone had a chance to respond to my stuff? I feel like I'm missing someone.
Has KAIZA?
I have, Gabe just jerked Angel into the shadows to go kill the other circles.
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Max is just standing there hearing Frost probably freak out and seeing what Marius does next.
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To Elf: Did you want to reply to the giant meteor that's now coming down on your vampires?
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Gabriel and Angel already evaced, but I edited my post with Frost.
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Who are we waiting on in the compound at the moment?
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Gentlemen, behold! More porn!
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ALL HAIL
PORN AIDEN AND BLOBLE!
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Yay, more porn!
Anyway, not sure how to proceed with Jack yet. Probably just going to have him follow Forest for a bit, give him his number, and head back before sunrise. Then Brianna can get into the picture.
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Hell yeah, immortal taoist sage!
Sounds like a great rival for Uchiten.
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He'd make a great street-level superhero.
So that's exactly what he is. Wandering immortal Taoist doctor. You might say his treatment plan is...
*sunglasses*
A kick to the head.
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Aiden, he's approved!
Also, should I post with Forest leading everyone upstairs?
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Yeah, I think so. Certainly I'm waiting, and I think Magos is too.
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I wouldn't have any objections. :) ....Especially since I have no idea whether it's my turn or not. ^^"
Also Aiden and Bloble porn so good it makes the porn bits I wrote look like they were written by an inebriated eleven year old (...I'll get better, Elf-sensei. ;_;). :3 Well done! :D
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I have posted!
Also, what Gabriel is now wanting to do is just blitz the circles as fast as possible.
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And posted! If cutting don't work, burn it! If it still goes, burn it again!
...why do I get the feeling I'm always the last one to post in that group?
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By the way, since he was sent to find Rider, and Rider just arrived, Kiyoshi is still in the room, he never left.
I don't mind Alice posting now, but I would suspect either Rider or Kiyoshi will want to respond to whatever she says, so please wait for me after that.
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I shall reply either tonight or tomorrow.
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Hmm, what exactly did Tom see in Rider's mind? She wasn't in the process of thinking about sex or anything like that....
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He delved deeper than the surface of her thoughts. Basically, he went deeper than normal in order to try to get a better basis of why Rider trusts Toshi like she does. What freaked him out was bits and pieces of the sex scene with Toshi. ...Tom isn't quiiiite ready for the hardcore BDSM yet you see, in spite of the twinge of Blue and Orange morality he shows here. :P
...Unless you're talking about earlier before the whole "delves into Rin and Rider's heads because he's wants everyone to get a move on" thing in which case I may have to edit that.
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Fair enough. Anything else he saw of interest to him (particularly stuff relating to Sakura...)?
That's not the only reason she trusts him, though. He is Shirou's son, after all. I think I did maybe make her overlook the Archer thing a bit too much, I don't think Toshi ever really explained that to her even though he did to Kiyoshi.
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Rider's thoughts scared him too much to really think of much else that interested him at the present time. :P
He'll probably be interested in her shadow magic and familiars later though. :) He's interested in how magic works in general, but the shadow stuff is beyond what he's familiar with in terms of magic, so he should be extra interested in that. ...Though perhaps also a bit nervous. Back home, the stuff Sakura does is usually covered by Dark and Ghost types, two types the Psychic type is weak to.
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Ah, OK, fair enough. Well, maybe he'll get some ideas for use on Forest :P
As for Sakura, well, you said before that Sakura's shadow magic (at least her familiars) is one of the few things that could probably defeat Tom. So, yeah, it figures he'd be worried.
Also, if he's weak to ghost types, could he do anything to Rider (especially in spiritual form)? She is technically a ghost, after all....
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He probably couldn't do a single thing to her in spiritual form, but in physical form, I think he could still probably do everything normally. Otherwise I don't think he'd be able to access her thoughts.
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That probably makes sense, yes, although it would figure if he was less able to throw her around etc. than he would be a normal person.
Partially it depends on whether she can be harmed by physical attacks (e.g. being slammed into a wall by a non-magical entity) when in physical form. Since he can't really make a spiritual attack it makes no sense for him to be able to harm her if not, even if he could use his powers on her.
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Hmm, that's possible. Though I don't know if we've ever used psychic abilities used against Servants before, so I'm not sure what would happen.
I guess I could get a round of opinions on it. What do you guys think would happen?
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It should work, it isn't magic.
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Then it shouldn't work, surely. Magic is the only thing that is known to be able to harm spiritual entities like servants. Things that attack the soul directly. And, if he's not good against ghost types that implies he lacks anti-spirit powers.
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Just throwing it out there. That mind reading stuff won't work on Rin or Satoshi without considerable time and force. Tom or Forest would also have to deal with defenses pushing back (mindscape stuff sounds cool though) as both characters are martial arts masters the latter of whom has hundreds of years of skill in mental control.
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I counter with the premise that any skilled psychic quickly learns to break through such defenses by undermining them through inducing emotional responses that are distracting or physically painful. For that matter, they probably also exploit uncontrollable reflexes, firing them off through psychic pressure. It's remarkably easy to make anyone feel like they're drowning or suffocating.
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A true master doesn't respond to such cheap tricks arch. So no, it will not be easy
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A true master doesn't respond to such cheap tricks arch. So no, it will not be easy
There is no such thing as a true master of your mind. Your brain does things with your body that you cannot control at all. You wouldn't even NOTICE them coming under the psychic's control because you're simply not conscious of them most of the time.
Your heart beating for example, you can't really dictate that it stops. You can slow it down, but it will speed up to its natural pace no matter what you do. Same with your breathing. Then there's a bunch of other fun reflexes that can be fucked with, along with a bunch of other mental things. Alien Hand Syndrome. Auditory and ocular hallucinations.
You can't really control your own brain. It's impossible, because it does so damn much. And in reality, it's controlling you already.
EDIT: For that matter, they aren't cheap tricks. They're clever ones.
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Going with no arch. No matter the argument the facts won't change. My characters have well enough skill to resist intrusion. They will resist as is natural and succeed unless pressed.
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Playing along is generally considered polite.
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If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.
Hmm, that's possible. Though I don't know if we've ever used psychic abilities used against Servants before, so I'm not sure what would happen.
I guess I could get a round of opinions on it. What do you guys think would happen?
If we followed Nasuverse logic, Tom's ability would classify as ESP.
Mystic Eyes are a good example of ESP and they do affect Servants, although it would surely be met with a form of resistance according to whom is on the receiving end and what he's actually trying to perform. That could cover a large amount of results but, even if it doesn't incapacitate a Servant, it should at least hinder them in some way. As for if we're going to deduce if Servants are immune to mind interferences, I would say they shouldn't be, regardless of the nature of the power attacking them.
As long as people don't go overboard with their abilities, like "your character is now psychic blank", it should be fine. Not like there's any reason to worry over such matter for now, I doubt any PC's capable of that. (Unless one of them is actually Professor X. in disguise)
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I counter with the premise that any skilled psychic quickly learns to break through such defenses by undermining them through inducing emotional responses that are distracting or physically painful. For that matter, they probably also exploit uncontrollable reflexes, firing them off through psychic pressure. It's remarkably easy to make anyone feel like they're drowning or suffocating.
Strange, Arch, how when you wanted to resist Taiga's extremely-powerful Mystic Eyes that was perfectly reasonable, but when Lantz tries to do the same sort of thing it's completely unjustified....
If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.
Perhaps, but the same should apply to Taiga's Mystic Eyes, and yet Magos just shrugged those off without them having any effect despite IIRC not having any specific anti-psychic powers.
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I counter with the premise that any skilled psychic quickly learns to break through such defenses by undermining them through inducing emotional responses that are distracting or physically painful. For that matter, they probably also exploit uncontrollable reflexes, firing them off through psychic pressure. It's remarkably easy to make anyone feel like they're drowning or suffocating.
Strange, Arch, how when you wanted to resist Taiga's extremely-powerful Mystic Eyes that was perfectly reasonable, but when Lantz tries to do the same sort of thing it's completely unjustified....
If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.
Perhaps, but the same should apply to Taiga's Mystic Eyes, and yet Magos just shrugged those off without them having any effect despite IIRC not having any specific anti-psychic powers.
Let me put it like this - Taiga's command was very, very general. Her powers aren't as much 'infiltrating the mind' as "ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL'", something which is much harder to do, and with Jack he's got his own supernatural resistance against mental effects along with one fucking hell of a determined mind. It's hard to make him do something. It'd be easier to read his mind than it would be to control him. And Taiga ISN'T a skilled psychic. All she has is the eyes, and those would have to force themselves into control of Jack's body - something the Blood resists innately. Blood Potency and Willpower allow you to resist a shitload of magical effects to a degree, especially mind control. Plus there's a merit he has that is directly related to that, resisting attempts to control his mind.
It's the difference between going through a wall and going around and under it. Taiga tried to go through it, and with Jack's statline that's something very, very hard to do.
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Ok, I've posted as Kiyoshi because he had no real interaction with any of Elf's characters and getting him out of the way means that she can just respond to Rin. With Rider I'm going to wait for Elf, though, because there's more interaction there.
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And I shall post soon, I just have to do dishes and laundry.
I will state that Fore is a 1000+ year old telepath who was naturally telepathic before she was turned into a vampire. On the flipside though, she really doesn't like using her powers for manipulation.
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If someone with a more powerful mind cast suggestions on your characters, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off. They might be able to resist somehow for a bit but, there is no reason they should be able to ignore it.
Hmm, that's possible. Though I don't know if we've ever used psychic abilities used against Servants before, so I'm not sure what would happen.
I guess I could get a round of opinions on it. What do you guys think would happen?
If we followed Nasuverse logic, Tom's ability would classify as ESP.
Mystic Eyes are a good example of ESP and they do affect Servants, although it would surely be met with a form of resistance according to whom is on the receiving end and what he's actually trying to perform. That could cover a large amount of results but, even if it doesn't incapacitate a Servant, it should at least hinder them in some way. As for if we're going to deduce if Servants are immune to mind interferences, I would say they shouldn't be, regardless of the nature of the power attacking them.
As long as people don't go overboard with their abilities, like "your character is now psychic blank", it should be fine. Not like there's any reason to worry over such matter for now, I doubt any PC's capable of that. (Unless one of them is actually Professor X. in disguise)
Ah, gotcha. :) Yeah, that all makes sense.
As for Tom specifically, since there's questioning about mental barriers being penetrated here, he's well above the level of your average psychic, even above Forest. He should be able to be able to get through most psychic defenses. That's why I haven't been mentioning much about getting through mental barriers yet, I assume he wouldn't have much trouble getting through those as it is. ...Tom's scary like that.
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Resistance is the point.
having characters just take information is unfair.
oh, pro tip, do not dig deeper than surface thoughts with Satoshi. His mind is an intentional psychic trap.
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Hmm so I've been thinking and I believe I've already got my idea for my next plan and it's gonna be a doozy, should be fun to troll everyone yet again.
To start this crazy plan allow me to introduce my newest character! (Also my next post within the hour.)
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YES!
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Medea (Caster) is approved!
Great, Forest is going to get magically molested, isn't she? (She is Caster's type after all.)
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Only if you try to cross her, which given the circumstances is bound to be likely.
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Only if you try to cross her, which given the circumstances is bound to be likely.
Probably if Caster's being a naughty witch.
I just need to figure out how to introduce Wynn.
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Aaaaand posted.
Though seriously lantz, what the hell. Does Suetoshi have any weaknesses that aren't emotional and informed because they never actually slow him down?
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Dunno to what you refer Arch. Even if I did I'm not sure why you think I'll answer when you keep insulting me
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The "psychic trap" thing does seem to be too much. ...And would likely not work on Forest or Tom anyway since the former has been at this for thousands of years and is naturally gifted, and the latter is a psychic prodigy who's naturally OP in that regard.
And as I just mentioned, he's referring to the "psychic trap" thing. It does seem rather conveniently brought up. That sort of thing is stuff that needs to be on the character sheet.
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Dunno to what you refer Arch. Even if I did I'm not sure why you think I'll answer when you keep insulting me
if that was an insult then I'm good at war in Europa Universalis - spoiler I suck at it.
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It's not a trap intentionally set for invaders, it works on them as well however. It is a trap to contain and control his mind. As it says in the bio he was a berserker, insane and that's why he trained to begin with.
he works on invaders because it's supposed to be an unbreakable cage
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It's not a trap intentionally set for invaders, it works on them as well however. It is a trap to contain and control his mind. As it says in the bio he was a berserker, insane and that's why he trained to begin with.
he works on invaders because it's supposed to be an unbreakable cage
...Except that doesn't really work like that. He should have Mental Pollution of some kind, not no indication of this what so ever.
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No idea what you are on about Arch, nor do I particularly care
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To be frank, the problem with that explanation for me is just that I'm not seeing how, from:
> Became a berserker, had to train to control it
> Grasped inner peace, communed with the elements, got his RM, yadda yadda
We get to:
> Psychic trap on his mind
> To hold himself back
> But also works on intrusions into his mind
> Oh and it's unbreakable so he can never go berserk and insane ever
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To be frank, the problem with that explanation for me is just that I'm not seeing how, from:
> Became a berserker, had to train to control it
> Grasped inner peace, communed with the elements, got his RM, yadda yadda
We get to:
> Psychic trap on his mind
> To hold himself back
> But also works on intrusions into his mind
> Oh and it's unbreakable so he can never go berserk and insane ever
Exactly, it's a gigantic leap that conveniently shows up now with no pretext and a flimsy excuse.
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Why would you train have assed YOLF? He trained to control he and grasping inner peace implies that he succeeded.
and it's a prison cell designing one that a prisoner can exit or enter easily is dumb.
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What YOLF said. Heed his words of wisdom and follow the doctrine of Sir Bonesington. :3
But yeah, it seems a rather contrived conclusion to get to, and I'm not sure how you get to the conclusion you got to from where you started from. It seems a bit too convenient given the current context as well.
...Also, I'm not sure how the post above this one really helps explain anything. It doesn't matter if the training was half assed or not, it still doesn't make sense that said training would grant such mental abilities.
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Well, I get the idea that being at complete peace with oneself would lead to the person being very resistant to psychic or otherwise any sort of mental interference, it's not that big of a stretch. The choice of words to explain it, of his mind being a "prison" or a "psychic trap" is what seems odd to me and doesn't follow the previous logic very well, I think.
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This is the application of a "tactile" description of the result of the training. Martial arts movies often do the mind scape idea.
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Well, I get the idea that being at complete peace with oneself would lead to the person being very resistant to psychic or otherwise any sort of mental interference, it's not that big of a stretch. The choice of words to explain it, of his mind being a "prison" or a "psychic trap" is what seems odd to me and doesn't follow the previous logic very well, I think.
Ahhh, gotcha. :) Sorry for misunderstanding what you meant.
...I think I've built enough of a tolerance to my caffeine that it's actually doing the opposite of what it should at this point. ^^"
...and I'm not sure how that explains what YOLF is talking about here lantz. ^^"
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Sorry it took longer then an hour, got a bit delayed.
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The best contemporary example I can point to is batman TAS where the villains try to screw with Batman's head. His mind is personified in a certain way, like a vault or such. Similarly Satoshi 's mind is a prison, once you enter you're locked in. He is imprisoning his darkness inside his mind and after 2000 years there's a lot of memories and such to cage.
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Martial arts movies are not the Nasuverse. Just because you think something is cool doesn't mean that it is a good idea. Or for that matter, it making sense.
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Also Internet is being a dick to me. Will post with Raul and Henderson ASAP
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Lantz, you're basically saying that his mind is like Naruto's stupid watery prison thing, but even he was affected by illusions and such. So... yeah.
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No bloble, that is not what I'm saying. I was trying to be expository but I think it is better given the response for any psychic characters to just avoid using their powers around Satoshi because all it will do is cause headaches for everyone
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Psychics in RPs always cause headaches. Either their powers work (AKA never or when no one gives a crap) or every player character can willpower their way through it or invent a bullshit excuse (this is not an insult to you, since everyone does it). That's just how it is, because taking control of their character is unfair for any player, even if it would be possible using the mechanics.
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lantz, I understand what you meant by the mindscape thing, it's more that Toshi's doesn't make sense with what you described his mental state being like, which is what YOLF was saying.
Mindscapes are usually symbolic of the person's state of mind. If Toshi's state is inner peace, then his mindscape shouldn't be a prison, a symbol of fear and oppression. It shows that Toshi is either a prisoner of his own mind or he seeks to assume control over others in a way that they can't escape. So the inner peace thing and the fact that Toshi's mindscape is a prison is a direct contradiction. It's even more confusing when factored in with the whole Berserker thing.
And as for Tom taking over people's minds, pretty much that won't happen unless absolutely necessary (pretty much if Tom is being used to carry out a GM action, in other words). He finds it morally reprehensible and thus tends to avoid it unless there really is no other solution. Basically all he'll be doing is surfing for information, nothing more. He can technically erase memories too, but he's not going to do that either unless it's absolutely necessary.
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Even though I also think it should have been on Lantz' character sheet, I'm rather cool with the idea of mind traps, just like one can generate a barrier of some sort to keep psykers at bay, I don't see how a maze or some sort of defensive mechanism (whether it's full out defensive or passive aggressive doesn't really matter) is an issue. Even someone with a weak mind will react aggressively if you try to tap too deep in their head. Although keeping a thought explorer captive in his head is too much, that's basically the same thing as banishing/killing a character here(even temporarily). Something you'd be against if it happened your characters, Lantz. You can't have that unless the concerned person gives the okay.
And please, do modify your character sheets before further issues arise. That's the kind of thing people should know.
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Actually, I agree with you fully there. I do think there should be good justification for said traps and they should probably be on the sheets, but still.
It's more lantz's really faulty execution and the extreme he takes it (the captive in his head thing, which you yourself objected to) that I took umbrage to. Again, it's three explanations for it, at least two of which that contradict each other. Someone who's established inner peace shouldn't have their inner mind manifest as a prison, nor should they be able to keep someone captive almost permanently, and I also struggle to see what the Berserker stuff has to do with either, other than leading to the inner peace thing apparently.
To add on to the mental defenses thing, sometimes there are natural deterrents that don't even involve having to set up more elaborate defenses. Note that Tom wasn't able to stay in Rider's head for long when he was able to navigate Rin's with few problems. Images the psychic finds disturbing can help keep them from going deeper if they aren't determined enough to push past it (or really need to out of necessity). ...AKA, Tom's inability to handle seeing images of hardcore BDSM yet. :P
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At least, Tom can push the blame on Rider if he becomes too kinky for Forest.
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True dat~ :3
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My point was there's the surface and the mind scape. There's no layer in between, if the character wants to stroll on in where they don't belong then it makes sense that there is a consequence for that.
Satoshi's mind is, yet again, not a trap for others. It is a strict, ordered place. It became like that because of his previous origin and the chaos of madness being a thing of dread for him. He built it to contain himself, others are stuck in the mind scape as collateral damage. Although like with any hero's mind they can get help to leave obviously. (this is typically known as an RP hook) it's not the sort of warning less trap you catch wild animals with. It's clearly marked
and no attaining inner peace enough to control ones own mind and gaining total control or keeping such is not the same thing.
he is not chained by the mind either. It is his empathy which causes his lack of total peace. He blames himself for a lot of stuff he honestly should not.
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lantz, allow me to define the problem as such:
You did not explicitly spell this resistance out in the character sheet. Thus, it feels contrived and shoved in.
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Oh boy, Moedred! 8D
Kudos for making me laugh with your description of events in her backstory, Daiki.
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Don't forget to type her full name if you address her.~
Glad you liked it.
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........
*flips a table*
You win, Daiki.
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The resistance was implied, further it was not a detail of substance because before MewTom here (no disrespect it's just how my brain ids him) the only psychic around was Forest and there was no way she'd go digging around in the other characters heads with asking.
you ask me to be clear, I try no less than three times to spell it out and each time I'm given the business in one form or another.
I'm spelling it out before our other resident psychic tries to use his powers.
in short it works as such
surface (still guarded as all strong wills are but can be snaked out)
Warning sign (neon, you can't miss it) to turn back
mindscape, (you enter here being made to find your way out or face the many dangers is the consequences of pushing that far into the person)
also Mordred, Daiki, well ugh, just warning you now Satoshi will be angry. Like unbelievably mad because of the sword
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Yes, how dare that mongrel have his sword which belongs to him, the true king.
Also, neon Warning Sign.
"Welcome To Satoshi's Brain. Here Be Mongrels."
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I have a suspicion Mordred ain't going to be too fond of Toshi either. After all, he's King Arthur's heir....
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Alt universe King Arthur's heir. There's enough canon disparity that mordred would be able to dismiss it as a different world completely.
...ah, who am I kidding, Mordred's gonna be pissed.
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Mordred is the first born, and has a claim through being well, genetically identical.
So if anything, Toshi is the usurper and false heir.
Team Moedred for life.
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Well, technically Toshi would be the "rightful" heir because he's male and, at the time, male children had a stronger claim than female children even if they were younger. Also, Saber clearly declared Toshi as the heir (in his universe at least) and presumably disinherited Mordred at some point, so he wins on that front too....
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Male doesn't really matter when you're an identical clone to the king.
And again, in Toshi's fucked up reality, maybe. To Mordred he's the inferior son of a heathen bastard commoner, and as such is already out of the running for the throne.
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Male doesn't really matter when you're an identical clone to the king.
Actually, yes, it does. Being a clone of the King doesn't automatically give you higher priority in the order of succession, that's not how it works.
And again, in Toshi's fucked up reality, maybe.
I'm pretty sure that Saber rejecting Mordred as her heir does not make it a "fucked-up reality"....
To Mordred he's the inferior son of a heathen bastard commoner, and as such is already out of the running for the throne.
Yeah, unfortunately for her Saber doesn't agree with that sentiment....
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Alt universe Saber, Mike. Let's not start arguing fanfiction vs canon here.
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Alt universe Saber, Mike. Let's not start arguing fanfiction vs canon here.
I'm pretty sure canon Saber wouldn't agree with that assessment either....
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If not for the fact that mordred openly started a civil war to usurp the throne and then stabbed the rightful king through the chest I would agree with Mordred having a greater claim to the throne. Sadly Arthurian legend kinda disavowed Mordred by the nature of his actions
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Nah, if he hadn't died he would be king. Plus, it was an accident that lead to the whole battle in the first place.
Killing Rival heirs or family members for the throne wasn't uncommon.
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By force Arch, he never had the right to the throne. He tried to steal it, no matter how much blood he spilled he would never be a real king.
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Honestly, I think we should stop pointless argument. In the end, it's all baseless. Both sides have claims, both sides have detractors, which one wins is solely dependent on who's writing the story. We can revisit it if it ever becomes relevant IC.
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Nah, if he hadn't died he would be king.
Nah, if he'd lost the battle but lived I don't think he'd have been accepted as King, IIRC Saber never even publically acknowleded Mordred as her child. If he'd won then, yeah, sure, but only by right of conquest.
Honestly, I think we should stop pointless argument. In the end, it's all baseless. Both sides have claims, both sides have detractors, which one wins is solely dependent on who's writing the story. We can revisit it if it ever becomes relevant IC.
Well, the actual legal position is uncertain but largely irrelevant. But in terms of how Saber felt about it, it is absolutely clear that she did not consider Mordred as an acceptable heir, and would therefore never acknowledge her as such.
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Hmm, I'm a bit unsure what to do with Rider's post here. I was assuming Kiyoshi had left the room before Tom spoke, but Alice's post suggests she believed otherwise, which means he should have reacted to what Tom said. It also changes how Rider would react to it. So, I need to be sure which version of events is the valid one....
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Elf said it would still basically work either way since Tom would likely be impatient either way because Cat Logic, so just take whatever route is easiest to write. :)
And yay, Moedred! :D I take it Kirei used Goldie to get the funds for that shuttle? :3
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Well, Kiyoshi leaving first makes it a hell of a lot easier, because I don't have to worry about him hearing that Rider got tortured by Satoshi, and her having to explain the concept of BDSM to an eleven-year-old child....
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Then go with that. :)
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Yeah, I will.
Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to post tonight, though, I'm just too tired to think right now and your post is quite a difficult one to deal with due to the length and the stuff happening in it.
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Mordred?
Did someone just say... More Dredd?
...had to do it.
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By force Arch, he never had the right to the throne. He tried to steal it, no matter how much blood he spilled he would never be a real king.
Whoever owns the crown owns the right.
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just someone make Robert Baratheon and make a huge war for the title of succession if you have to
or just fuck
it's not like anyone's going to care apart from them
or recognize either as king or queen, I mean seriously
Satoshi's no Emperor of mankind, he just sounds like a crazy dude with gundams when he says he's two thousand years old, and he acts like he is too. He'd be laughed out of whatever room he's trying to tell his lineage to
and Mordred is some bastard with massive daddy issues, it's impossible to take a king who's constantly trying to one-up his dad seriously, I mean come on "I started a huge civil war because daddy didn't recognize me, I wonder why he don't think I'd be a good king. Kings start civil wars because of daddy issues, right?"
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Mordred?
Did someone just say... More Dredd?
...had to do it.
You're terrible.
In a good way.
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I'll post stuff in the RP thread later tomorrow. I'm tired.
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. . . Well played Daiki, well played.
Moredred, Bastard Child with Daddy Issues has been approved.
Oh god, and that little Cliff Notes of her Grail War was too good.
Archer killed Shirou because Shirou was a lazy bastard, nice.
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Did you get my PM Elf? Any complaints to how I handled things in my latest post?
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Names, dude, you do realize that sounding a bit crazy is on purpose, right?
he's acting young for the most part simply because acting like an old man is dull and depressing
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and Mordred is some bastard with massive daddy issues, it's impossible to take a king who's constantly trying to one-up his dad seriously, I mean come on "I started a huge civil war because daddy didn't recognize me, I wonder why he don't think I'd be a good king. Kings start civil wars because of daddy issues, right?"
Well, the answer to that is probably "yes" a hell of a lot more than you'd think (certainly there are historical examples of it). Power (and the prospect of obtaining it) is a powerful corrupter....
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In modern day England's court he'd still be laughed out of there
And satoshi sounding crazy on purpose changes nothing, he still sounds crazy
and seriously acting crazy =/= acting young, dude what
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In modern day Britain's court Saber would be laughed out if she tried to claim the throne. The country she ruled doesn't even exist as an independent nation any more (her emblem (and, by extension, Satoshi's) is the red dragon that is found on the flag of Wales, which was conquered by England about 800 years ago)....
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Doesn't stop most of britishland from pretending King Arthur was their best hero
anyway my point is that everyone in fate who is saber or related to her is easily laughed out of court because no, they're not legitimately allowed to try to claim the throne, right of conquest isn't a thing anymore, and it was a stupid idea anyway
therefore all of the "Shirou is queen of britain" jokes are not funny anymore
no fun allowed
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Doesn't stop most of britishland from pretending King Arthur was their best hero
Well, no, but it's hardly uncommon for conquerors to claim the history of those they conquered as their own. Hell, the Normans basically did it to the English....
anyway my point is that everyone in fate who is saber or related to her is easily laughed out of court because no, they're not legitimately allowed to try to claim the throne, right of conquest isn't a thing anymore, and it was a stupid idea anyway
therefore all of the "Shirou is queen of britain" jokes are not funny anymore
no fun allowed
Lol, indeed.
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In modern day England's court he'd still be laughed out of there
And satoshi sounding crazy on purpose changes nothing, he still sounds crazy
and seriously acting crazy =/= acting young, dude what
(emphasis mine)
...were you peaking around in my head? That's creepy. :<
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Lol, indeed.
I became an admin solely to enforce that fun is not allowed
now you all know my sinister plot, but it's too late to do anything
And yes Alice, I did. That's what you get for not wearing a tin-foil hat. You're lucky it was just me this time, and not the aliens.
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Has anyone ever thought about making a list of all the characters that everyone has?
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go to character sheet thread
ctrl+f {username}
there are only five pages dude
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It's still a pain, and it doesn't easily allow you to check which characters are already in use. I think a list would be useful.
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Don't say I don't every do anything:
Elf:
Forest (Vampire)
Cu Chulinn (Lancer)
Emiya (Archer)
Gabriel Umbra (Incubus)
Angel (Vampire)
Lady Wynn Noreen Umbra (Faerie)
Xamusel:
Sephiroth (One Winged Angel)
Cherry Lover:
Medusa (Rider)
Emiya Kiyoshi (Human)
Emiya Sakura (Human)
Emiya Shirou (Human)
Lantzblades:
Arturia Pendragon (Human)
Taiga Pendragon (Human)
Angra Manyu (Avenger)
Sakura Tohsaka (Human)
Connor McRemitz (Demigod)
Tsukasa Tohsaka (Human)
Rin Tohsaka (Human)
James Macaroy (Human)
Alice:
Kishinami Hakuno (Human)
Emiya (Archer)
Finn Garrison (Human)
Milletia Garrison (Human)
Tohsaka Rin (Human)
Tohsaka Ryoko (Human)
Thomas Hale (Human)
Rei Blackwell (Human)
OPOI:
Emiya Shirou (Human)
Daiki:
Touzaki Shuya (Mixedblood)
Vanessa & Isabella Rizzi (Human)
Mordred (Servant)
Willy Vereb:
Emiya Shirou (Human)
Milbunk:
Downy Reed (Human)
Mudou the Betrayer (Human)
Shezar the Assassin's Blade (Human)
Lobelia Reed (Undead)
Imnity (Book)
Medea (Caster)
Mordalfus Grea:
Kusagari (Human)
Munashi Mumei (Human)
Seras Victoria (Vampire)
Joe Fixit (Hulk)
Imigani Satsuriku (Arrancar)
Monkey D. Luffy (Rider)
Arch-Magos Winter:
Doomrider (Deamon)
Lawrence Frisvold (Human)
Raul Martinez (Demon)
John 'Jack' Cooper(Vampire)
Old Man Henderson (Human)
Brianna Macmillan (Human)
Cursed by Creation:
Kisuke Urahara (Shinigami)
NamesAreHardToComeUpWith:
Inferno Cop (Human)
Ran (Human)
Anna (Human)
Bloble:
Axe Cop (Cop)
Luka (Half Human, Half Angel)
Joseph Joestar (Human)
SPOILER (HUman/Ghost)
Kaiza:
Reina (Gynoid)
Aiden:
Valda (Human)
Titus Marius (Vampire)
Eshana (Faerie)
Zhou Tong (Human)
YOLF:
Sir Bonesingtson (Lich)
Fate Averruncus (Humonculus)
Anub'Zahar (Crypt Lord)
Maximillian Achterberg (Vampire)
Kassadin (Human)
Ketsumoto Uchiten (Evil Spirit)
Btw if someone wants to add which ones are dead and which ones are MIA or have yet to appear feel free to do so.
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Well, Cursed By Creation hasn't shown up for months and Willy Vereb hasn't posted anything for months, so both of those are probably out. Xamusel is here but hasn't posted in the RP for a long time, Mord has seemingly also vanished, although I'm not sure if it's permanent. OPOI hasn't posted for a long time but is intending to come back in when he can and Names is temporarily out of the RP due to time constraints. My Sakura and Shirou haven't arrived yet, but will at some point. The rest are around, I think.
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Crazy and young are separate acts Names. They are not the same thing. Satoshi hasn't acted outrageously crazy yet either
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...The Castle. The fight with forest. Telling the victim off. The Gundam stuff out of nowhere.
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Wasn't him, wasn't a fight, he didn't tell anyone off because as I said he never got to finish. And finally the gundam stuff I already explained, it's not crazy it's self medication of a disorder
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Wasn't him, wasn't a fight, he didn't tell anyone off because as I said he never got to finish. And finally the gundam stuff I already explained, it's not crazy it's self medication of a disorder
Considering that Dark Satoshi acts pretty much identical to normal satoshi, I don't see the difference. THat's still him acting crazy.
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Introducing the new and improved Caster Grail War! Won't say much about it yet just that I got Elf's permission and if you want to throw your own hat into the mix just tell me now whether or not you get picked as a Master or which character gets picked shall be determined in the near future!
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Eh, what?
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It is just as I said, I'm hosting my own in city Grail War, to make things interesting there will be 7 RPers who will be able to summon their own Servant or recontract with a current Servant for the war. (Keep in mind that has not been in place yet and because there will only be 7 Servant one per class not everyone will be eligible, if two people want the same class for instance I shall make it a tie and it will be randomized which one gets it.)
Of course this is completely voluntary and nobody has to enter if they don't want to. (But that wouldn't be any fun now would it?) It's also a great way to bring together some of the parties that have been wandering on their own for some time now. (And relax this isn't even going to start till after Downy's series concludes which should be fairly soon.)
So, thoughts?
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Hmm, it's an interesting idea. Presumably people at the character limit won't be elegible, though, since it means making a new character.
Also, what about existing master/servant pairings? Rider is still contracted with Sakura (although Sakura has no command spells) and Archer with Hakuno. Would they count automatically, or would they not because they're not summoned newly?
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My thought, is that since this is a different actually pure Grail no current contracts would apply, however if they wanted to "resummon" their Servant to the war, they could the only requirement is that they be accepted as a Master. (Also even though it's a pure grail with a real honest wish evil Servant's are still eligible as Caster herself is one such Servant.)
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Well, on a purely technical level I don't think there's any reason one of them couldn't claim the Grail even if they don't formally count as a summoned servant. Sakura wouldn't enter, though, she has no need of a wish and she wouldn't want to put Rider's life in danger. It's possible that Aoi could get involved, though, if she's arrived by that point.
The main possible issue I see here, though, is that a large portion of our characters are allied, and there are four non-involved servants and a bunch of similarly-powerful characters around. I think it's going to be difficult to avoid turning it into a curb-stomp battle for whoever has the most allies. Also, anyone doing bad stuff is in the shit, because Sakura etc. won't stand for it, and Rider is just as powerful as she was during the Grail War, if not more so.
How is the Grail working, BTW? We don't have a Justica around here....
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brb making an Ilya sheet
(jk, but you get the point)
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Well, indeed.
What I'm saying is that there isn't currently the stuff around to make a Grail War happen, so I'm wondering what Mil has done to replace that. Not so much the lesser Grail (I don't think Sakura is still capable of filling that role, although I'm not 100% sure on that, but one can always be made if necessary) as the Greater one.
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It has come to my conclusion that you need to have at least 4 things to make yourself a Grail War, the land, the ability to connect with Akasha for the wish which is what the greater grail is, the lesser grail so that you can connect to the greater grail (Sakura, Illya, Irisviel.), and of course the knowledge to do all this.
Caster with her great knowledge of all things magic is able to do all but connecting to Akashi, for that she needs someone with the ability to do it for her which I shall also provide. (Or have already provided heh.) Securing the land would be easy enough, once she finds a suitable leyline (Which I shall have Elf help me with, she would then need the Greater Grail and Lesser Grail parts, also as for gathering up enough suitable prana for it well a big bang is just about to happen in the city thanks to Downy's actions and a whole lot of magical energy is about to just go flying everywhere so all she needs to do is just guide it. (Easy enough for her at least.)
A lesser grail is probably the easiest part anyway with her A rank in item creation she can make things like fake immortality potions creating a lesser grail even a homunculus is completely within her capabilities. (What would also be more interesting is the fact that this grail war would work similarly but differently the the 5th war one so that anyone involved in those would understand what's going on but would be unable to hack it unless they themselves had knowledge of Age of God magic.)
Those are my thoughts anyway, also to help even the playing field I figured that when you decide you want t enter you won't be able to pick who gets the Seals I shall decide that with perhaps a bit of help from Elf if I think I may need it. After you get the Seals however you can then vouch for which class you want if there are any duplicate classes then we roll for it. (Keep in mind the loser will get stuff with whatever classes have not been picked.) (Also to enter in the firs place you'll need either an already summoned Servant or a spare character sheet obviously though if you want I don't mind playing the Servant with one of my open spots, however I can't do that for everyone, I of course may even have Caster summon her own Servant, we shall see.)
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Well Lantz, look at it this way:
A guy appears before you, whom you've only met once with an unfavorable turnout, starts talking to you about how great he is, how he's never hurt a fly and he resurrected the one fly he did, while assembling a toy model he pulled out of his ass at the same time. What is your impression of this man?
My impression of this man is that he's a nutcase.
Forgetting the OOC knowledge for a bit, I mean. Even then...
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Well, technically-speaking Sakura is already connected to Akasha, I think. That's where her prana supply comes from. Caster has zero chance of getting hold of her, though....
As for the Grail War entry, I don't think the issue is who gets the servant (although if you're doing it that way I don't think I'll be entering, because I don't want Rider killed-off). The issue I see is that we have a large bunch of characters around who are not involved in the war formally but are powerful enough that they could easily still influence it, and most of them are all allies or at least acquantances.
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He told the truth Names, he never said he was good or great or special. The truth does not make you arrogant or such nonsense. In fact I'd say just the opposite since he did not have to say a word about killing anyone. Further he did not infer any person was a fly or such.
if you want to keep at this then please keep it to yourself. I'm really sick of having the same excuses pointed out and then correcting them only to be ignored
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Look all I'm saying is that to the average person, he sounds like a nutjob.
Go down the street and tell someone you're two thousand years old while making a model. They'll look at you so crooked you'll feel like a picasso painting.
I'm not saying anything about how truthful he is or how the facts actually align, I'm just saying he sounds nuts. Emphasis on "SOUNDS".
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For that matter, he kinda acts like a nutjob too - the whole castle shit.
Also, when the hell is Saber Alter gonna get some screentime?
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Fair enough Names. But what would you expect him to fiddle with while talking? A block of wood?
Arch that was NOT him.
Alter will get screen time in a bit
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Nah, Dark Satoshi is Satoshi dude, and he still is Dark Satoshi at the moment, because he hasn't purged himself of the shadow.
Also, for that matter, I can think of exactly no one who carries around models to fiddle with. Pencils, rubber bands, shit like that I've seen, but fucking models?
Yay for Alter!
Also, make Jack's location available Bloble. Kinda want to bring in Brianna.
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You realize we might end up abducting you, right?
(well not without a cool fight scene we may or may not win, but still)
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You realize we might end up abducting you, right?
(well not without a cool fight scene we may or may not win, but still)
No problem with that.
Also, Mil - I'd hold back on that Grail War for a while yet - we're not even past the first night In Game.
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He would not have created the castle without being forced to. It's a terrible idea for a base given the surroundings.
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Hey Mil, technically Gabriel is a Faerie/Incubus hybrid, but if asked what he is, he'll answer first with, "Faerie". The only things he gets from the incubus side is the Lure and he can use sexual energy to heal himself if he can function in that way.
He doesn't have the weakness to silver, and he's bound by all the Fae craziness like being asked three questions and whatnot.
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Alright do you want to put that up on the front page so we don't lose track of it?
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I'm gonna post my post in two separate pieces this time, since the second part is going to take much longer and I want at least something up for people to respond to while I work on the second bit.
EDIT: And this is where I wish we had a merge posts feature because I managed to do it before anyone responded. :< ...I guess this is something else I have to make sure and look into, huh?
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I know it sounds silly coming from the guy who only posts about once a week but I wish we could lessen the arguments and up the RPing.
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Actually Alice the door has been open the whole time. Satoshi never opened it. It was open waiting for Rider and Kiyoshi so they would obviously know which room the meeting was happening in.
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...OK. Lantz. I just want to say this. 20 trained extraction specialists, a helicopter, and all that other shit will be nowhere near enough for a vampire like Deacon Frost. Or for that matter, Jack, since they'll never be able to find him, and he'll disable them all one by one. It also won't even come close to being able to take on Frost's goons. For that matter, twenty? Seriously? You can't fit twenty guys in a helicopter.
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There are some pretty big helicopters these days.
Sadly, lantz, Frost has to wait. You don't go for the big boss right away. On a more realistic note, SPOILER scouted out James because he thought the paper manipulation ability was interesting. The first request is a sort of test to see if James is actually as good as he claims to be, and if he can truly be trusted.
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Yeah, but a Chinook isn't exactly something you can feasibly land on a building.
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Clearly Arch you don't know the source material and I never said that the copter would land or for that matter that the extraction team would all be in the helicopter. Furthermore the team was for a nest. The copter was for Frost
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Actually Alice the door has been open the whole time. Satoshi never opened it. It was open waiting for Rider and Kiyoshi so they would obviously know which room the meeting was happening in.
That wasn't made clear though until after I'd already posted that with Mille. So I had to improvise. Hence Mille's snarky thoughts in my most recent post with her.
Also, for as long as that whopper for Tom and Rin took to write, I don't think it turned out as good as I wanted it to. ^^" Ah well, at least the pizza's delivered and Rin heckles Tom as payback for nosing around in her mind earlier, so that has to be worth something right? :3 ...Right?
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Ahahahahahahaha. I have to laugh there.
20 men. For a nest of vampires. With guns. And how the hell will the Helicopter deal with Frost? Oh, and then there's the issue with the source material, because IIRC Blade Vampires aren't chumps, they're very very dangerous. Plus, you seem not to get that picking a fight with a vampire on his own territory before scoping it out is a very, very very bad idea.
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So if I get this correctly you're going after the guy who just tried to shoot at Downy and Company right? You know there's a giant meteor heading towards them right now?
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Frost wasn't under danger of the giant meteor though. He was some distance away relaying orders.
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Right right, well that is a pretty big thing anyway though I should bring it up.
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Actually Alice Tsukasa was clearly standing in the doorway a couple posts ago so you're wrong.
Arch guns do nothing and I wasn't talking about blade source material
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Then why is he asking for heavily armed extraction teams when guns won't do shit to vampires?
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More like heavily armed DIStraction team
you know, for him to run away when everything goes wrong
hue hue
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More like heavily armed DIStraction team
you know, for him to run away when everything goes wrong
hue hue
Yep, because there's no way he can pull this off.
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Well, technically Angel is a weaksauce vampire . . .
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Guns are useless against paper masters Arch, vampires are able to be hurt though.
and Names is right about distraction team. He only needs two guys to carry the body.
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I doubt guns are useless. You just need to be using more dakka. And then there's all these other wonderful things you can do as a vampire, which makes the whole issue with the paper master irrelevant, as when you can look at someone and hack into their mind without a word, or summon phantams and all this other wonderful shit, a paper master is horribly outclassed.
For that matter, Jack has such an advantage over him it isn't even funny. Ever tried to fight a pack of feral dogs hopped up on Vampire Blood and possessing resilience? No? Do you want to?
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Yeah, no arch sorry
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I don't care how much paper you have, when you bust out the flamethrowers and machineguns, you simply can't survive. The kinetic energy of impact alone would freaking murder you eventually.
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The flamethrower bit makes me think of something... couldn't all the paper just be set on fire? It is paper after all, and paper's kinda flammable last time I checked.
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Paper is very flammable. Lights rather easy. A civilian flamethrower or for that matter, any flamethrower will set it the hell off.
And then there's the fact that flamethrowers often use napalm or gelled gasoline. So it'll stick to you while it burns you to death.
White Phosphorus shells do the same thing, so remember, if you absolutely positively need something burned to nothing, use Wiley Pete.
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Well, sure, but there could be something that means RoD paper users aren't vulnerable to that. I'd imagine it'd be a fairly obvious weakness, after all....
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Against White Phosphorus? PFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You can't put that shit out. At all.
For that matter, it's probably because it isn't easy to make a decent flamethrower or obtain one. Paper users probably never really run up against them much, but if they do they're fucked. Napalm sticks to everything and just keeps burning. So does WP.
And if the sheer heat doesn't kill you, smoke inhalation and lack of oxygen will.
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Paper does not burn if stacked thick enough. Machine guns do nothing with enough paper. Flat fact you don't the source material and your hyping up run of the mill vampires as if they are all Alucards, Blades and other such nonsense.
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Enough heat and EVERYTHING ignites. Paper is no exception. WP is a fun fun thing.
The point is that they're tough as fuck, and many have supernatural powers. You aren't easily beating them. I doubt 20 men could clear out a vampire nest without at least a 95% casualty ratio.
And you should thank god you're not fighting Kindred with that response team. The slaughter would be quick and brutal. When a nice chunk of the vampires in WoD can straight out of embrace rip heads off like nothing, you're pretty fucked.
EDIT- Do you even know how much paper you'd need to stop a .50 caliber round? Let me put it like this - you simply won't be able to. For that matter, the sheer thickness of the paper needed to stop a bullet is god damn incredible. You aren't stopping the rounds for long.
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Thanks for the laugh Arch
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Thanks for the laugh Arch
Thanks for being a fucking idiot who doesn't realize that a flamethrower will basically fuck this guys day over, simply because he can't get rid of the paper fast enough and the heat will be more than able to kill him, if the smoke inhalation and other factors don't finish him off first.
Seriously, enough firepower will get through ANYTHING. That paper won't stop an antimaterial rifle round, because those things are designed to put holes in APC's. Plain and simple.
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OK, it's been a while since I watched R.O.D., but I do have some vague memories plus wiki-walking.
Yes, even if used by a paper master, the paper is just as flammable. And wet paper becomes useless as well.
As for bullets, some paper masters can in fact stop bullets, but the amount of paper needed to do so depends on the user (one character needed a thick book, another, much stronger user used a single sheet of paper)
EDIT: Here's info from the wiki, for convenience: http://readordie.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_User (http://readordie.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_User)
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OK, it's been a while since I watched R.O.D., but I do have some vague memories plus wiki-walking.
Yes, even if used by a paper master, the paper is just as flammable. And wet paper becomes useless as well.
As for bullets, some paper masters can in fact stop bullets, but the amount of paper needed to do so depends on the user (one character needed a thick book, another, much stronger user used a single sheet of paper)
EDIT: Here's info from the wiki, for convenience: http://readordie.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_User (http://readordie.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_User)
So a flamethrower or a supersoaker will basically negate this guy's biggest advantages? Oh my god. Worst special agent ever, if he can be stopped by a bucket of water and a couple bullets after that.
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Stacked paper not burning is shown in series Kaiza. I literally just watched it again.
the type of bullet doesn't matter Arch. It is the psychic level of the user that determines the blocking capabilities of the paper.
single sheets and the like burn but not past a certain amount. The same goes for water as they make a boat
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Still. Enough fire, or the right type of fire will ruin his day. It's as simple as that.
EDIT: And I think I'll be bringing in a special character from Shadowrun now. Seems like the perfect time. (Sadly, it is not AMERICA-SAN because I can't live up to Dervish's awesomeness.) Time for Patches, the Ghoul street samurai to bring in his awesome brand of ROCKET LEGS AND ASSAULT CANNONS FUCK YEAH
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I think lantz stands a fair chance here. Keep in mind that his character is a legit secret agent. He's probably had years to figure out his powers and how to cover for any weaknesses they may have, and you can compensate for water and fire using several tactics.
Besides, James might also have a... guardian spirit of sorts helping him out.
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Pretty sure that Shadow Run is beyond scope for acceptable characters
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...I don't know how chemical stuff works in R.O.D, but I'm pretty sure paper is still plenty flammable in stacks. Being thicker does not make it flame retardant. In fact, it actually gives more fuel to burn for the fire, so I'd say it'd burn faster. Making a stack of something doesn't change the thing's chemical properties last time I checked.
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Stacked paper not burning is shown in series Kaiza. I literally just watched it again.
the type of bullet doesn't matter Arch. It is the psychic level of the user that determines the blocking capabilities of the paper.
single sheets and the like burn but not past a certain amount. The same goes for water as they make a boat
I know about the boat. While I think it was a bit of an inconsistency (since the weakness applies in other situations), it does say very strong users (like say, Yomiko) can overcome those weaknesses.
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Not really, it's rather Urban Fantasy, and if a robot can be accepted, PATCHES THE GREAT should be fine. \
...I don't know how chemical stuff works in R.O.D, but I'm pretty sure paper is still plenty flammable in stacks. Being thicker does not make it flame retardant. In fact, it actually gives more fuel to burn for the fire, so I'd say it'd burn faster. Making a stack of something doesn't change the thing's chemical properties last time I checked.
Yep, you're just letting the fire burn hotter and faster. Of course, you could ditch the flaming stacks but doing so would reduce the armor to protect from the next attacks. Plus, Wiley Pete don't give a shit, it'll burn through it without any trouble.
EDIT: For that matter, read the manga. Far better. As is James should be freaking out of paper by now.
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...I don't know how chemical stuff works in R.O.D, but I'm pretty sure paper is still plenty flammable in stacks. Being thicker does not make it flame retardant. In fact, it actually gives more fuel to burn for the fire, so I'd say it'd burn faster. Making a stack of something doesn't change the thing's chemical properties last time I checked.
We're talking about a series where people have special telekinesis that allows them to use paper to do almost anything. And it's genetic. This kind of logic just doesn't apply.
EDIT: Strictly speaking, the best source should be the novels, though I have read the manga (also a long time ago). Wasn't the anime a sequel to it?
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It does when white phosphorus is involved.
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...This is going to be one of those canon things like calling mewtwo a clone where I just have to cringe on principle, isn't it? ^^" (the stacked paper not burning thing I mean)
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For that matter, what about acids, nanotech, and other things? You could probably easily get through the paper with those.
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Paper does in resist burning when stacked Alice. That's a physics thing.
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It might RESIST burning, but it still does burn. For that matter, the WP or napalm out of a flamethrower will simply stick to it and burn until it ALL CATCHES ON FIRE. Seriously. There's a reason why using WP on troop positions is a warcrime.
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Not if you're creative at starting a fire. Trust me, I've played with fire enough to know.
Seriously though, even thick stacks of paper are flammable. Trick of it is that you don't try to immolate everything at once; you just light part of it on fire. You get a small corner of it on fire and since there is air everywhere it will burn.
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I never said they weren't flammable Elf. I said the thicker the stack the more resistant to burning it is. Which is true.
not that it matters much as James isn't a combat character
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Not if you're creative at starting a fire. Trust me, I've played with fire enough to know.
Seriously though, even thick stacks of paper are flammable. Trick of it is that you don't try to immolate everything at once; you just light part of it on fire. You get a small corner of it on fire and since there is air everywhere it will burn.
Which is what WP will do. It'll cover the exterior and just start to burn on through. You can't stop it because HOLY SHIT WILEY PETE BURNS THROUGH BONE AND STEEL
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Whatever Arch, I don't intend on your characters being within ten feet of mine.
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The glory of incendiary ammunition - I don't need to be within half a mile if I want to!
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Eh, to be fair, assuming James is a strong enough user, this is all within canon abilities. I mean, dropping a bomb would kill anyone (human).
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...This is going to be one of those canon things like calling mewtwo a clone where I just have to cringe on principle, isn't it? ^^" (the stacked paper not burning thing I mean)
No, it's one of those canon things where I have to cringe on principle. I'm the physicist here :P
Paper does in resist burning when stacked Alice. That's a physics thing.
Stacks of paper do still burn, although I think they might take a bit more heat to ignite because the heat can probably be dispersed more easily, and it wouldn't be completely destroyed anything like as quickly because the lower layers would take longer to ignite. I can see no reason other than that why putting paper in a stack would cause it to burn less quickly, though.
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Whatever Arch, pking as usual won't work.
James was made post ROD TV Kaiza to fight all four present paper masters. So yeah, very strong. Although he was designed with full design data of all four which, as it says in the bio gives him all their weaknesses
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Still means that a good old dose of incendiary ammo means he's freaking toast. Literally. Something which I'm keeping in my memory because after all, he's going after Jack.
Also, I want to comment here that that was a dick move moving the dungeon crawl to invite only.
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He's not going after jack Arch.
as for dungeon crawl I did as I saw fit given the nature of the game and it's theoretical length.
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No, it's one of those canon things where I have to cringe on principle. I'm the physicist here :P
True. :P I guess I should just stick to cringing at Biology related things while you cringe at the physics related things.
Stacks of paper do still burn, although I think they might take a bit more heat to ignite because the heat can probably be dispersed more easily, and it wouldn't be completely destroyed anything like as quickly because the lower layers would take longer to ignite. I can see no reason other than that why putting paper in a stack would cause it to burn less quickly, though.
Ah, gotcha. But yeah, that does show that they'd definitely still burn, if nothing else.
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He's not going after jack Arch.
as for dungeon crawl I did as I saw fit given the nature of the game and it's theoretical length.
You mean with how freaking silly your game world is going to be? I mean seriously, no paladins because they 'take over class roles?' Dude, that's bullshit, same with banning halflings. If you want to run something without them do at the very least an early on story post in your advertisement or explain why beyond 'I don't like them and I have no idea about game design or gming and because Arch knows more than I do about game systems he can go fuck himself.' I mean really, Lantz. I doubt that you've got the foggiest idea of why Paladins are a class, and if you're complaining about roles, then everyone shold be a full caster because I'm pretty sure you're going to go 3.5 on that like a moron.
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Arch, this is not the place for such a rant. You have a problem take it up in the appropriate thread
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I'd rather do it here because:
1) You're in this thread
2) I don't want to necro that other thread with a rather silly complaint
and 3) You're a pussy who blocked me from PM'ing you this.
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Bloble I need you to reply before I get James to come back with a vampire.
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Alright, I'll drum something up.
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Sorry guys, I don't think I'm up for a post tonight.
Let's just say I've had a really bad day.
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It's all good- I've taken a break from posting more than a few times myself for similar reasons. :)
Just take it easy tonight, and hope things get better for ya. :D
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Sorry guys, I don't think I'm up for a post tonight.
Let's just say I've had a really bad day.
I hope you feel better soon.
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I'm fine for the most part, my husband was in a car accident tonight. He's okay too.
Car is apparently sort of fucked though.
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I'm fine for the most part, my husband was in a car accident tonight. He's okay too.
Car is apparently sort of fucked though.
... eww.
Well at least neither of you were hurt physically.
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Thanks bloble.
no problem Elf, like I said take it easy. Take care of Buster. Have a good night the both of you.
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... eww.
Well at least neither of you were hurt physically.
Indeed. ^^"
Hope things with the car work out OK at least. :)
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Milk the insurance for all it's worth! Hope it goes fine!
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There's your vampire blob's
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My reaction to something like that would be "OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO WITH THAT PAPER OH GOD DON'T RAPE ME OH MY GOD!"
For that matter the dialog. Pricelessly bad. I'm going to use that as an example of what not to do in an RP with my new players. Thanks Lantz!
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It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?
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It was cliche vampire B movie shtick. Not sexist.
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Roadbuster was in an accident? D8
Damn, that sucks, good thing he wasn't hurt.
Hope you feel better soon Elf.
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Also I'm going to add that the victims gender had nothing to do with the stuff he said, he'd have said the equivalent to a male victim. Also Just as trivia he gave the lady a book on stress relief
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It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?
Not really as sexist as much as cliche and pointless honestly. How can he even tell this guy is a vampire actually? That's a pretty freaking good question to ask.
For that matter actually telling someone that you're from the UK and that you're arresting them under their authority is a jolly good way to blow your cover.
And that's where Patches comes in, sorta. I mean, when you think about it, Shadowrunners have it good in the Nexus. Someone's got to clean up the rogue agents.
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He was given the information Arch. Bloble's character literally handed it to him and he's a bibliophile, spotting a vampire is easy.
as for the obvious pking idea you have in mind Arch. Seriously forget about it. I won't have characters die pointlessly.
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Sorry guys, I don't think I'm up for a post tonight.
Let's just say I've had a really bad day.
It's fine, I won't be posting tonight anyway.
I'm fine for the most part, my husband was in a car accident tonight. He's okay too.
Car is apparently sort of fucked though.
Ouch.
It is kinda... well, it's kinda a bit sexist, I'll say that much. I mean, was there a reason he needed to save a random lady and then talk down to her about relaxing and stuff? Besides being intended to make him look good?
Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....
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Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....
I was going to let this drop, but the way this was phrased compels me to bring it up again. That's missing the point. Yes, it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that also has somewhat sexist roots.
Let me put it this way- why couldn'tve been a man James saved to make himself look good there? Why is it that it's almost always a woman that is saved in that dark alleyway? Why did it have to be a woman if the conversation was supposedly interchangeable between genders? Think of it this way, there's a reason I pulled the little twist I did with the Random Alley Vampire Ryoko fought earlier in the RP.
No, there's nothing inherently wrong with portraying the woman as a victim. Women are indeed victims too, sadly more often than men thanks to our society being fucked up like it is. The problem is the frequency (and in reverse, the vast majority of the time their saviors are men) and how this affects our perception of women as a society. But yet, this cliche normally doesn't grate on me nearly this much despite these facts. Oh no.
It was the fact that this was set up to make James look good combined with "Sakura's" lovely little sexist lecture to Kiyoshi earlier makes a simple cliche rub me the wrong way far more than it normally would have.
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Just because it's a lady he saves it doesn't automatically make it sexist. Ladies are allowed to get saved as well as guys....
I was going to let this drop, but the way this was phrased compels me to bring it up again. That's missing the point. Yes, it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that also has somewhat sexist roots.
Let me put it this way- why couldn'tve been a man James saved to make himself look good there? Why is it that it's almost always a woman that is saved in that dark alleyway? Why did it have to be a woman if the conversation was supposedly interchangeable between genders? Think of it this way, there's a reason I pulled the little twist I did with the Random Alley Vampire Ryoko fought earlier in the RP.
No, there's nothing inherently wrong with portraying the woman as a victim. Women are indeed victims too, sadly more often than men thanks to our society being fucked up like it is. The problem is the frequency (and in reverse, the vast majority of the time their saviors are men) and how this affects our perception of women as a society. But yet, this cliche normally doesn't grate on me nearly this much despite these facts. Oh no.
It was the fact that this was set up to make James look good combined with "Sakura's" lovely little sexist lecture to Kiyoshi earlier makes a simple cliche rub me the wrong way far more than it normally would have.
Really, Lantz seems to have a problem with women, just look at 'Of Swords and Sorcery.' One of the worst (by that I mean horribly executed, otherwise it's fucking textbook) examples of Women in Refrigerators that I've ever seen. To him they seem to be either a) something to be saved, or b) something to be screwed. I've noticed the second coming across far more in his self insert sue porn writing.
He was given the information Arch. Bloble's character literally handed it to him and he's a bibliophile, spotting a vampire is easy.
as for the obvious pking idea you have in mind Arch. Seriously forget about it. I won't have characters die pointlessly.
Really, at this point you've pulled shit with Suetoshi and this new guy that they WILL have people coming after them. That landlord for example isn't going to be happy about you destroying his property, and James revealing he's a british agent when killing a vampire is going to make several factions in the city want him dead simply on principle alone.
So no, it isn't a pointless death, it's a death with a very sincere and meaningful point - stupidity in the espionage field gets you killed fast.
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Well in his defence, it's a cliche. It's stale as fuck and generally sigh-worthy, but you can't really call him sexist for using it. Just unoriginal.
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Well in his defence, it's a cliche. It's stale as fuck and generally sigh-worthy, but you can't really call him sexist for using it. Just unoriginal.
While I agree on general principle, it's still rather sexist and that woman reacted nothing like I'd expect her to. Or like an actual human being, but then again Lantz is horrible at writing actual human behavior.
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Alice seriously stop. It was not sexist and Sakura's lecture has roots in an entirely different situation. As usual your seeing what you want to see in my posts and not what is actually there.
as for you Arch, I do not believe your claims and no matter what you do I will not have my characters die to your obvious PKing nonsense
Edit: to be clear. I do not now nor have I ever considered gender a factor. There are good people and bad ones, that's it. I am not sexist and neither is my writing
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Alice seriously stop. It was not sexist and Sakura's lecture has roots in an entirely different situation. As usual your seeing what you want to see in my posts and not what is actually there.
as for you Arch, I do not believe your claims and no matter what you do I will not have my characters die to your obvious PKing nonsense
Edit: to be clear. I do not now nor have I ever considered gender a factor. There are good people and bad ones, that's it. I am not sexist and neither is my writing
No, no, it's pretty sexist. It's rooted in that I can tell you.
Dude. He has no idea who that woman is. A smart agent would have shadowed the vampire for a while after he fed, saw where he went, then made his move. It's basic fucking tradecraft. He should be operating under the Moscow rules in a situation like this, if he really is the 'SUPER AGENT MAN' you portray him to be. Otherwise, he's going to get assassinated pretty damn quickly.
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Whatever Arch, believe what you want. It won't stop you from being wrong
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Magos, just let Lantz play his characters how he wants to play them.
Also, post.
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Whatever Arch, believe what you want. It won't stop you from being wrong
No.
You should actually fucking research some damn tradecraft before writing a black ops agent/soldier. Seriously, it's less about being badass and more about observing, figuring out what the enemy is doing, intercepting communications, protecting your own assets and uncovering the enemies. If you make a mistake, you are dead. Your country will disavow you, and will look the other way while you're tortured and interrogated (if you were stupid enough not to commit suicide) and brought before a kangaroo court to be executed.
For that matter, I've looked at your writing. It's basically all about either a) Satoshi saving everyone, or b) Satoshi screwing every woman in the universe and they all want his dick. It's rather shit for that matter. It's really really coming off in your writing that you view everyone but Satoshi as an object, but mostly women. It's making me anxious a little bit about you actually, considering you seem to be self inserting into him so hard.
EDIT: Elf, I just want him to put some fucking effort into his characters. He never does, except for one, and the effort he puts in is really not going to salvage such a horrible shit piece of character that has no reason to exist adds nothing to this RP as a whole except making other characters hate his ass because he's such a horrible character that acts nothing like a fucking human being, (though that last bit really he shares in common with all his other characters) and Lantz should seriously just have never been allowed to participate in this or GM smacked for all his bullshit a long time ago. He's really done nothing but get on everyone's nerves here, and contributed nothing overall to this site but horrible porn and a story so bad I can tell he's not releasing new chapters from it because he knows it'll get smacked down so hard on BL, despite apparently having typed it out before hand.
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I don't see how writing porn means "seeing everyone else as an object".
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I don't see how writing porn means "seeing everyone else as an object".
It's how he writes the porn that's the problem actually. There's no fucking heart in it, it's just bad. It doesn't work on any level, and is even worse than most bad lemons I've read, full of totally fucked up characterization, without the benefit of actually being interesting to read. It's pretty obvious in those that Lantz is selfinserting so fucking hard into Satoshi, and the entire collection of his lemons shares this problem.
The fact that his writing can't even get proper grammar down makes it even worse. It feels like he's writing it the whole time with one hand. It's creepy and rather awful.
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You should actually fucking research some damn tradecraft before writing a black ops agent/soldier. Seriously, it's less about being badass and more about observing, figuring out what the enemy is doing, intercepting communications, protecting your own assets and uncovering the enemies. If you make a mistake, you are dead. Your country will disavow you, and will look the other way while you're tortured and interrogated (if you were stupid enough not to commit suicide) and brought before a kangaroo court to be executed.
In other words watch Burn Notice.
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Arch is a cyber bully Mike, simple as that.
Elf I'll post shortly
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You should actually fucking research some damn tradecraft before writing a black ops agent/soldier. Seriously, it's less about being badass and more about observing, figuring out what the enemy is doing, intercepting communications, protecting your own assets and uncovering the enemies. If you make a mistake, you are dead. Your country will disavow you, and will look the other way while you're tortured and interrogated (if you were stupid enough not to commit suicide) and brought before a kangaroo court to be executed.
In other words watch Burn Notice.
Exactly! Or Argo. Argo got it right. You get one detail of your cover identity wrong, you die.
A lot of Tom Clancy novels (Cardinal of the Kremlin is possibly the best about this) are also about tradecraft and worth a read. Hell, Demon: The Descent is basically a tradecraft game, admittedly involving biomechanical monstrosities shanking each other with shards of reality. A Shadowrun sourcebook covers some of it as well. Hell, Shadowrun in general has a whole tradecraft element about it. If someone in the world finds out what you are when you aren't a Runner, you're going to get killed really fast.
The Fugitive, though not being a spy movie exactly, is an amazing example of tradecraft on the part of Harrison Ford's character, and Tommy Lee Jones does an amazing job in portraying how you hunt down anyone using tradecraft. Oh, and then there's a guilty pleasure of mine that also operates on this level, the Bourne Trilogy.
Arch is a cyber bully Mike, simple as that.
Elf I'll post shortly
There's a fucking world of difference between being a critic and being a cyberbully, something your victim complex leaves you seemingly unable to grasp.
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To be fair, Lantz isn't playing an actual secret agent, he's playing a Read or Die character. I am going to take a wild guess and say that RoD has about as much relationship to real spying as James Bond does....
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To be fair, Lantz isn't playing an actual secret agent, he's playing a Read or Die character. I am going to take a wild guess and say that RoD has about as much relationship to real spying as James Bond does....
And if you throw James Bond into reality he dies rather quickly.
Well, maybe not Craig Bond, who's resourceful, and improvises rather well. Look at Skyfall's final scenes. He's stuck with a very limited arsenal, and yet through ingenuity and some rather clever planning is able to win. But bond in general if he gets thrown into a tradecraft world doesn't last long.
The point, Mike, is that Lantz has to put some effort into his shit, something that I haven't seen him do yet.
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Critics aren't anything like you Arch. Take your cyber bullying elsewhere
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To be fair, Lantz isn't playing an actual secret agent, he's playing a Read or Die character. I am going to take a wild guess and say that RoD has about as much relationship to real spying as James Bond does....
And if you throw James Bond into reality he dies rather quickly.
And, again, fiction doesn't always follow reality. Just let it go.
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Critics aren't anything like you Arch. Take your cyber bullying elsewhere
On the contrary, they're usually not as nice. Not everyone will like your stuff, and there will always be critics. The problem you seem to have comes from not realizing that the critics don't hate you personally for your work. I dislike you for other reasons than your fics, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
And, again, fiction doesn't always follow reality. Just let it go.
I know, but the fact remains that James did something really boneheaded there.
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Critics aren't anything like you Arch. Take your cyber bullying elsewhere
On the contrary, they're usually not as nice. Not everyone will like your stuff, and there will always be critics. The problem you seem to have comes from not realizing that the critics don't hate you personally for your work. I dislike you for other reasons than your fics, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
The bolded line there I'm sure will guarantee he'll ignore what you just said (he'll think you're targeting him).
And, again, fiction doesn't always follow reality. Just let it go.
I know, but the fact remains that James did something really boneheaded there.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121211155028/blazblue/images/f/fb/Bang_Shishigami_%28Chronophantasma,_Character_Select_Artwork%29.png)
Pictured: A ninja. Clearly, this man is the epitome of stealth.
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Naruto for that matter!
Not to mention the 50 Shades series isn't a good representation of a true BDSM relationship. God what pieces of shit!
Mike, do you want me to wait for you to post?
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The bolded line there I'm sure will guarantee he'll ignore what you just said (he'll think you're targeting him).
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121211155028/blazblue/images/f/fb/Bang_Shishigami_%28Chronophantasma,_Character_Select_Artwork%29.png)
Pictured: A ninja. Clearly, this man is the epitome of stealth.
Yeah, I sorta just realized that. And the reason is mostly his idiocy with the dungeon crawl thread and his putting me on ignore for no real justification. It's not like I'm PM'ing him harassing stuff or anything like that.
Also, as to the picture: Much stealth. Great Spy.
Naruto for that matter!
Not to mention the 50 Shades series isn't a good representation of a true BDSM relationship. God what pieces of shit!
Mike, do you want me to wait for you to post?
Hey, orange is amazing camouflage - if you're hunting deer. It looks grey to them.
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I have all the justification in the world to put you on ignore Arch. It so happens that unlike bl it automatically ignores Pm's. I didn't check a box intentionally to do so but it is because of your attitude that I do not change the default setting to accept your Pm's.
dungeon crawl has nothing to do with you Arch. I already explained that I didn't change it because of you.
if you weren't so busy shitting on me you would have been told that I'm running a separate survival horror game in the next few weeks.
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Yeah right. For that matter, I'm pretty much 100% sure you'll be ripping off silent hill. And making there be no dark world for some reason.
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See this is the problem. If you were actually being a critic rather than a bully you would listen when I point out an issue with the way you put forward your points.
also, never played silent hill, don't ever want to.
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I do realize I'm being a dick, but honestly this is sort of my default posting attitude. I was weaned on the desolate wastes of 4chan, where everyone was a faggot, especially the OP. Niceness was secondary to presenting your opinion.
Wait, you want to do survival horror and you AREN'T familiar with Silent Hill? Seriously!?!?!?
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I'm well aware of the Chan and it's method. Honestly politeness goes a lot further in general. You have a username which gives you an image and being a dick makes people like myself who prefer social interaction over a scream match wary of you.
I've given out a lot of details to people about my works because they were polite and openly listen. As long as everyone is chill I'm fairly receptive.
my grammar sucks, I know that but I already said my issues are private. It makes communication harder in text but I am trying. And really trying is all effort can guarantee. Life isn't all success.
as for silent hill, I'm familiar with it, it's basically Lovecraft light. And Survival horror doesn't end with silent hill, hell technically it begins with alone in the dark
edit: Auto correct, you sir, you are a right bastard
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I do realize I'm being a dick, but honestly this is sort of my default posting attitude. I was weaned on the desolate wastes of 4chan, where everyone was a faggot, especially the OP. Niceness was secondary to presenting your opinion.
This isn't 4chan. Don't use the word 'faggot' like that, and watch the attitude.
I don't care what your 'default' attitude is, or where you learned to talk with people on the internet; you're being a dick. It doesn't matter that your points are accurate (and they are) when you are being more abrasive than Mike on a BL anti-moderation rant.
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This isn't 4chan. Don't use the word 'faggot' like that, and watch the attitude.
I don't care what your 'default' attitude is, or where you learned to talk with people on the internet; you're being a dick. It doesn't matter that your points are accurate (and they are) when you are being more abrasive than Mike on a BL anti-moderation rant.
Oh, I know, it's just that 90% of the time being nice to lantz is just not worth the effort. He's far too paranoid and his immense victim complex makes any bit of criticism seem to be a personal attack. He also entirely ignores his critics all the damn time even when they're making valid points. If I have to be abrasive to get through that thick skull of his sometimes, then I'll be abrasive.
Lantz, first doesn't always mean it's what made it big or successful. Dune came out before Star Wars, but Star Wars made science fiction huge. Silent Hill has defined what a good survival horror game should be, despite some serious missteps in the franchise. As such, going into a survival horror based game without a rudimentary knowledge of Silent Hill and why it works is shooting yourself in the foot. Just saying.
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I give up. Think what you want Arch, I tried to acknowledge your issue seriously and you just shrugged it off.
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Mike, do you want me to wait for you to post?
With Kiyoshi I don't mind, as long as you don't run too far ahead of me or post anything he's going to want to reply to. With Rider, though, I think I need to reply first, there's enough stuff to deal with there as it is.
This isn't 4chan. Don't use the word 'faggot' like that, and watch the attitude.
I don't care what your 'default' attitude is, or where you learned to talk with people on the internet; you're being a dick. It doesn't matter that your points are accurate (and they are) when you are being more abrasive than Mike on a BL anti-moderation rant.
Oh, I know, it's just that 90% of the time being nice to lantz is just not worth the effort.
Then stop bitching when he responds to your lack of effort in the way that it deserves to be responded to.
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Any sappier and I'd have enough maple syrup for everyone.
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I'm not sure if it's just because I didn't read the, like, first 50 pages of the RP, but the way Satoshi and co are acting overly familiar and chummy with Forest comes off as a little creepy to me.
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I'm not sure if it's just because I didn't read the, like, first 50 pages of the RP, but the way Satoshi and co are acting overly familiar and chummy with Forest comes off as a little creepy to me.
That's the exact problem I'm having right now.
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...Is it odd that I'm starting to feel like I was completely right about Rin starting to think that the Toshi clan is a cult?
Because I agree with the two posts above me, I'm kinda being majorly creeped out by that post. D: And I've been here since day one, so I know that there's very little reason for Toshi's gang to be that chummy with Forest.
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How many people is Shirou blood related to? Oh that's right zero. Their measure of family is different.
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How many people is Shirou blood related to? Oh that's right zero. Their measure of family is different.
Holy shit it IS A CULT! DON'T DRINK THE BLOOD FLAVORED KOOLAID FOREST!
(Also when you say family I'm starting to think of the Mansons and the parallels are really creepy.)
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As Lancer said earlier Forest SAVED Sakura's life. I think that's more than enough reason to be "chummy"
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Not quite... that chummy. Plus some of the things Connor says about being part of the family are... well, more than a bit unnerving...
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Whatever Alice, think what you want. I don't care
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One of us, one of us, one of us...
Good harvest this year Forest.... well, it will be now you're in the family.
This is turning into a horror movie plot Lantz. Sorry I ever doubted you could do survival horror.
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Well, we all know how this ends.
Punching Cage in a Bear Suit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo_5ZKcYROw#ws)
EDIT: And hey, Forest's theme is "The Wicker Man" anyway, right? Fits perfectly.
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EDIT: And hey, Forest's theme is "The Wicker Man" anyway, right? Fits perfectly.
Yeah, it is. So that's pretty hilarious.
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Some RP The Pain, so we can have Forest scream about THE BEES
It'd be too good
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Make it The Pain from Cobra Days.
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Some RP The Pain, so we can have Forest scream about THE BEES
It'd be too good
NO, NOT THE BEES! AHHHHH!!
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Moving on, posted, waiting on you mike
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Some RP The Pain, so we can have Forest scream about THE BEES
It'd be too good
NO, NOT THE BEES! AHHHHH!!
Not the Bees (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU#ws)
So is the Family going to throw Forest in a Wicker Man?
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And this my friends is why you don't post when you're uber tired. But now at least Elf can post with Lancer, which is always a plus. :3
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Considering the number of people who could have seen through obfuscate I think that assuming the invisibility working automatically is a bit unfair.
Lancer, Forest, Rider, Ruby, Satoshi and Tsukasa all have skill enough to detect the invisible as well as Rin and Connor.
just pointing it out
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I think the way they decided Forest was part of their family based on the fact that she saved Sakura is a bit weird (I mean, all she was doing was being a good person), but the rest seems pretty fine really.
And, yeah, whilst I'm not going to say the obsfucate could definitely be detected, I think it is unfair to assume it cannot be. Your abilities are not going to be completely foolproof.
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The rest isn't fine. It's creepy. Though then you're the guy that keeps telling me that there's nothing wrong with Women in Refrigerators whatsoever and it's not sexist or harmful, so what the hell do I know, huh?
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No, that's not what I'm telling you. What I'm telling you is that writing a story which doesn't make a deliberate and concerted effort to overcome traditional stereotypes is not sexist. Intentionally (or even accidentally, to some extent) using those stereotypes because you feel they're "correct" is, yes, but just ignoring them is not, even if it results in a woman taking a "traditional" role just because that is in this case the most logical thing to happen.
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You're using that argument to protect a story that began with a girl and a woman being the only two to die on screen, the woman being fed to the male lead, and then the male lead going on a masculine and manly adventure to save the poor helpless womens. And then you went and claimed that this was unavoidable because the majority of the Nasuverse cast is female.
So no, I don't think that argument is valid here. At all.
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Considering the number of people who could have seen through obfuscate I think that assuming the invisibility working automatically is a bit unfair.
Lancer, Forest, Rider, Ruby, Satoshi and Tsukasa all have skill enough to detect the invisible as well as Rin and Connor.
just pointing it out
Do I have to bring up the game stuff? I think I do.
The vampire can turn his predatory aura inwards, walking through crowds of people who pay him no heed. As long as he doesn’t do anything to obviously draw attention to himself, nobody notices him. He’s just one more person on the street, part of the city’s nightlife. People don’t shy away from him because of what he’s wearing or what he looks like. He’s just as much a fixture of the city as the rats and the graffiti.
Cost: None
Dice Pool: None
Action: Instant
Duration: Scene
For the rest of the scene, people’s eyes just slide off the vampire. People can tell that someone’s there, but they don’t remember who he is or what he looks like; he’s just “some guy,” average height and build, average hair, average clothes. Unless the vampire’s doing something to draw people’s attention — pulling a gun, or screaming at people — or he’s in a place where someone doesn’t expect anyone else to be, everyone around him ignores him. They don’t care what he’s carrying; he could walk down the street with an assault rifle strapped across his back or a body slung over his shoulder, and as long as he doesn’t use it to draw attention, nobody particularly cares or remembers.
If the vampire is violent towards someone — if he punches someone or starts feeding in a crowded subway station — his victim will automatically notice. If he’s doing something that would draw attention, including but not limited to being violent, everyone around him must make a reflexive Wits + Composure roll to notice the commotion, penalized by the vampire’s Obfuscate dots. The vampire’s predatory aura seemingly disappears, so that other vampires can’t sense it.
Basically, you know someone's there but you just don't give a shit about him. It's how Obsfucate works. It isn't invisibility as much as the vampire making himself simply not noticeable. He's there, but you really don't care he is, or even really noticed. For that matter, I doubt that any of your characters would be able to notice him because it isn't a violent action, isn't drawing attention to himself, and isn't hostile. He's just there. Obsfucate isn't invisibility, but it's close enough for most purposes.
Plus, Sashimi and his cult haven't dealt with Kindred before. They've got nothing to work with regarding Jack.
I think the way they decided Forest was part of their family based on the fact that she saved Sakura is a bit weird (I mean, all she was doing was being a good person), but the rest seems pretty fine really.
And, yeah, whilst I'm not going to say the obsfucate could definitely be detected, I think it is unfair to assume it cannot be. Your abilities are not going to be completely foolproof.
Right, but in this situation there's no real reason to assume it wouldn't work, simply due to how the power works. If there's more people around, the more effective it is going to be in some ways.
You're using that argument to protect a story that began with a girl and a woman being the only two to die on screen, the woman being fed to the male lead, and then the male lead going on a masculine and manly adventure to save the poor helpless womens. And then you went and claimed that this was unavoidable because the majority of the Nasuverse cast is female.
So no, I don't think that argument is valid here. At all.
This is a good point.
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You're using that argument to protect a story that began with a girl and a woman being the only two to die on screen, the woman being fed to the male lead, and then the male lead going on a masculine and manly adventure to save the poor helpless womens. And then you went and claimed that this was unavoidable because the majority of the Nasuverse cast is female.
So no, I don't think that argument is valid here. At all.
Yes, actually, it is entirely valid here. In fact, it proves my damn point entirely. Just because the two people shown to die are a young child who happens to be female and a woman who is the least powerful of all the adult characters around that does not make it sexist. You could genderflip all of the characters and I don't see any reason to believe Lantz would have written the story any differently.
And, well, yes, if the majority of the cast is female you'd expect the majority of the people dying to be female too, that makes logical sense. Particularly when the only men around are ones who can fight back more effectively than just about anyone else. And, Lantz has explained his reasons for doing it that way, reasons which have bugger all to do with gender, either explicitly or implicitly. Shirou couldn't be shown dying because he would have fought back more effectively (due to UBW) and that would have given Toshi time to get everyone else out. And Archer was just plain not there, because it's not his house.
I'm not saying the scene in question was perfectly written, but it was not sexist. Just because a woman dies it does not make the damn story sexist, and nor does having a male lead make it sexist. Half of the damn population is male, it is not shocking that stories have male leads.
I'm not saying such sexism does not exist, at all, but you cannot say "oh, Lantz uses a male lead who goes off on an adventure to save everyone (which, yes, includes Shirou, who I believe did die off-screen) therefore Lantz is sexist". If we were to follow your logic then all main heroes would have to be female and all characters who got killed off for plot reasons would have to be male.
Basically, you know someone's there but you just don't give a shit about him. It's how Obsfucate works. It isn't invisibility as much as the vampire making himself simply not noticeable. He's there, but you really don't care he is, or even really noticed. For that matter, I doubt that any of your characters would be able to notice him because it isn't a violent action, isn't drawing attention to himself, and isn't hostile. He's just there. Obsfucate isn't invisibility, but it's close enough for most purposes.
Plus, Sashimi and his cult haven't dealt with Kindred before. They've got nothing to work with regarding Jack.
I would expect a bunch of magi, heroic spirits etc. to be more resistant than most to such mental manipulation, though. Not being violent helps, yes, but I just think you should have given us the chance to argue it first.
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That's the thing though, Mike. No male characters die on screen. The two main, traumatic deaths are both women. That's what god damn Women in Refrigerators is. It reduces women to mere plot devices in the most terrible way possible. The fact that it's a man that has to save a cast full of strong women capable of saving themselves makes it a thousand times worse.
And... so it was just fucking Shirou that died. That proves my point. That's one man that died vs a multitude of women. One. And his death was fucking off screen. Don't you get why that's sexist at all?!
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That's the thing though, Mike. No male characters die on screen. The two main, traumatic deaths are both women. That's what god damn Women in Refrigerators is.
One of them is a young child. Gender is irrelevant there, it's always going to be traumatic. The other one is female, yes, but that was not because Lantz was being sexist, it's just what logically fit with the story idea. And even if you were picking genders entirely randomly there would be a 25% chance of both killed characters being female. That is hardly proof of sexism.
It is definitely an example of the "stuffing someone in a refrigerator" trope, but that is a trope because it works, and in itself it is not sexist. It is sexist if you choose females to die because they're female, yes, but that is not remotely the case here. Sakura was the target because Lantz felt she was the most logical target, not because she was a female and females are more disposable. And she's not even out of the story, either, so you can't even really claim she's just "stuffed in a refrigerator".
It reduces women to mere plot devices in the most terrible way possible.
Except that they're not just "plot devices", and they do show up later.
The fact that it's a man that has to save a cast full of strong women capable of saving themselves makes it a thousand times worse.
They're not capable of defeating Gil, though. And, it wouldn't be much of a story if they were. That's not sexism, it's just a requirement for the plot to work. The characters being female is entirely incidental to that.
And... so it was just fucking Shirou that died. That proves my point. That's one man that died vs a multitude of women. One. And his death was fucking off screen. Don't you get why that's sexist at all?!
The family (living in that house, which is the relevant thing here since that's where Gil went) only contains one damn man, excluding the main hero who obviously can't die because then you wouldn't have a story. Unless you're expecting Lantz to invent male characters solely to fulfill your male death quota then, no, I don't get why that is remotely sexist in your eyes.
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Mike, Alice is correct here - the main, emotional impactful deaths we see on screen are women. THat is what Women in Refrigerators is, and I'm surprised that Lantz hasn't realized this considering that the term was coined by a rather nasty Green Lantern comic where his girlfriend was killed, and the body stuffed in the fridge by the villain, which finally convinced Green Lantern to actually act like Green Lantern.
There's also the Hawkeye Inititive (http://thehawkeyeinitiative.com) which is someone's quest to joke about how badly comic artists understand female anatomy.
I would expect a bunch of magi, heroic spirits etc. to be more resistant than most to such mental manipulation, though. Not being violent helps, yes, but I just think you should have given us the chance to argue it first.
It isn't mental manipulation, at least from how I read it. It's simply the Vampire suppressing himself to the point where he's basically a nonentity. It's not illusion exactly, and once again, Jack's done nothing to make himself noticeable.
Put short it isn't magic.
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I'm well aware that such a thing exists and is not a good thing. However, that does not mean that every example of a female character dying is automatically bad and sexist regardless of the circumstances. The existance of a general trend does not mean that every example is bad, because to claim so results in an equally bad alternative trend.
Ideally an author should write the story as realistically as possible without gender affecting their decisions, and if they do that or make an honest attempt at doing it then they are not being sexist, even if it results in more women dying than men or things like rape happening. Because the real world is not perfect.
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While every example doesn't need to be bad, the point of Women in Fridges is that the vast majority of the time, like in Lantz's case, it is. It's completely glossed over in his story - despite being forcefed a Sakuratini with extra blood, blended not raw, Suetoshi doesn't seem to actually at all give a shit about what just happened, and continues on like something that should have left him a quivering brainless mess on the floor didn't even happen.
So yes, it is Women in Fridges, because not only does it only serve as a poorly done plotpoint to make the hero go do something (A requirement for Women in Fridges) it also glosses entirely over the fact and the story continues like this very traumatizing and disturbing incident, which should have gotten more screentime, never ever happened.
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Well, you can argue about how well it is written, sure. I just don't think that it is evidence of Lantz being sexist. Satoshi clearly does care, and Lantz has made it clear when asked that he cares a lot, the fact that that isn't conveyed to you when reading is an issue with the story itself and not any indication of Lantz being sexist.
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Numerous male characters die on screen, Satoshi doesn't remember them yet because they were rather traumatic and his mind is, well, fucking broken as shit.
it's not sexist because the female characters aren't plot devices. It boils down to, as usual Alice not paying attention to the details just so she can complain and bitch at me.
it's not about gender it's about family. It's not women in refrigerators at all. This is the basic idea of village burns down a hero is born type story with the bad guys being cruel as fuck
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...Fuck this crap, I think I'll just walk. If this type of shit is supported so openly around here, I don't know why I'm still here. I refuse to endorse it. Even worse is that Mike knows full well that this is something that gets under my skin. I've had it. Mike's made his choice on this matter quite clear it would seem...
Also, lantz. Warning number two. Try me.
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Alice, I do not support sexism. I just do not think that having a male main character or killing off a female character makes a story sexist.
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Numerous male characters die on screen, Satoshi doesn't remember them yet because they were rather traumatic and his mind is, well, fucking broken as shit.
it's not sexist because the female characters aren't plot devices. It boils down to, as usual Alice not paying attention to the details just so she can complain and bitch at me.
it's not about gender it's about family. It's not women in refrigerators at all. This is the basic idea of village burns down a hero is born type story with the bad guys being cruel as fuck
The village is a plot device, because it's only purpose is to show how EBVIL GUYZ the villains are. So yes, you are using the deaths as a plot device, and honestly if you aren't showing that Suetoshi is torn up about this, then he isn't. From a first person perspective, we shouldn't need to be told by the author outside the story how a character feels at the moment - its something that's fucking PART OF THE PERSPECTIVE. So yes, it is Women in Refridgerators because it is a) A plot device, b) The deaths serve no purpose other than to call the hero to action, c) both victims on screen are female, raped (because rape only happens to women right guys!), and then killed in front of the male hero, and d) The Male hero shows no emotion about the deaths beyond "That just happened."
So yes, it is fucking Wimmen in Freezers. It fits all the requirements for it and then a few extra for good measure.
Alice, I do not support sexism. I just do not think that having a male main character or killing off a female character makes a story sexist.
It isn't. But, when in this context it is pretty clearly sexist. That's the problem. It's about the context here.
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Jesus H. Christ, you guys.
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Whatever Alice. This isn't the place for the discussion in the first place. Your warning has no grounds, I'm not sexist nor is my writing, end of story
Arch, seriously stop. No matter how much you moan it won't change my mind, the Chan way of doing things doesn't work.
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It isn't mental manipulation, at least from how I read it. It's simply the Vampire suppressing himself to the point where he's basically a nonentity. It's not illusion exactly, and once again, Jack's done nothing to make himself noticeable.
Put short it isn't magic.
The way I perceive it; illusion induced through subtle suggestion. Kinda, but no exactly, like misdirection. (Kuroko no Basket, anyone?)
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It isn't mental manipulation, at least from how I read it. It's simply the Vampire suppressing himself to the point where he's basically a nonentity. It's not illusion exactly, and once again, Jack's done nothing to make himself noticeable.
Put short it isn't magic.
The way I perceive it; illusion induced through subtle suggestion. Kinda, but no exactly, like misdirection. (Kuroko no Basket, anyone?)
That's a good way to put it. It's like a 'Hey, this guy really doesn't matter' power.
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Whatever Alice. This isn't the place for the discussion in the first place. Your warning has no grounds, I'm not sexist nor is my writing, end of story
Arch, seriously stop. No matter how much you moan it won't change my mind, the Chan way of doing things doesn't work.
What's really funny is that this wasn't me moaning chan style at all here. And yes, she does have grounds for warning you in this case.
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Not the place for the argument in the first place arch so stop
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Guys. Guys, seriously.
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What?
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Fuck.
This is ridiculous.
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Fuck.
This is ridiculous.
Bloble got it correct!
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What?
This.
Fuck.
This is ridiculous.
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Getting back to the reason why the thread exists. Namely the RP.
whatcha plan on doing with the vampire bloble?
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Experiments and stuff that's super secret.
Also, fucking hell this entire argument is ridiculous and should never have happened. Bad writing isn't necessarily sexism, just using outdated tropes.
By which I mean that I think the whole 'damsel in distress' bit is kinda dumb and could've been handled better, but not bad enough to start a giant argument over.
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Bloble we need to stop bringing it up, use the right thread or hell PM me, I'm always up for answering PMs.
also I knew you would experiment on it but I was wondering magic or science
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It's a secret. A good bad guy is surprising and mysterious, not just powerful.
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Jesus Christ, I need one of those pictures of Captain Picard face palming right now . . .
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Someone post so James can empty all the book stores in the city :P
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Hmm, not sure Rider will be too happy about that one....
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You know no matter how much I look back on my last post I feel like I could have done much better on all of it except the Medea part. Would anybody mind if I took it off and improved upon it?
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Nope, gives me more time with Raul.
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Poor Forest.
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LOL. Lancer wants to try out the wheelchair
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Of course he does!
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Well, made character, finally. Let's see what happens.
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Well, made character, finally. Let's see what happens.
Have you posted it yet? I'm really curious.
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Yup, it's up now. Not quite sure what to make of it myself, really - though props to Bloble (AXE COP-!) for letting me use the name of one of his old PCs.
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Welcome to both the forum and the RP Mooncake! :D
And while certain things are still up in the air, I'm going to keep posting in the RP for now, at least so I don't hold people up.
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Ah, thank you :)
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Welcome back moon cake
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Arch you never stated you entered the room
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Nice to see ya, Moon! Love the character. That ability is awesome.
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Lucas Klein is approved!
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Arch you never stated you entered the room
Why wouldn't he? It's pretty logical for Jack to listen in as long as possible, it's what he does. Besides, this conversation was interesting to him. And he might get to throw up on Connor now.
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Why or why not is not the point Arch, Forest and Rider clearly entered the room, your vampire didn't.
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Just roll with it Lantz.
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It doesn't make sense for them not to have detected and removed him, as such that's the next post I have to make to keep in character
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Obsfucate, that's why. Seriously, he's done nothing to violate the terms of that power. So yes, he could get in just fine.
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He registers in that state as an object/person less shadow and Taiga sees energy not people so the vampire having fed would be a bright beacon to her. So they would have obviously noticed him entering the room
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If you read the power Lantz, it's pretty obvious that it gets through that issue. Jack literally turns his predatory aura inward - he isn't broadcasting anything at all. He's just... not there. Even other vampires can't tell he's there without using higher levels of Auspex or something like Dementation to get Mage Sight powers (Which is not anything similar to what Taiga can do, and even then only some of those mage sight powers can get through obsfucate) so yeah, they couldn't detect him.
So wait, Taiga isn't actually blind?
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He still casts a shadow so Tsukasa would and will catch him
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That isn't in her powers on her character sheet.
For that matter, obsfucate basically makes that shadow not even recognizable. It's simply not noticeable.
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Basically, even if she notices the shadow, she won't care, because it'll feel or be like the shadow of say, a bed. It's just something not important. It's something that isn't worth noticing. That's what Obsfucate does.
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It's how she teleports, it's a natural reflex.
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It's how she teleports, it's a natural reflex.
Still something that needs to be in the character sheet.
And she'll still not give a shit dude, Obsfucate.
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Seven shadows, six people. She'd mention it on principle alone
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Again, it's simply not something she'll notice. She'll gloss it over and handwave it as 'Oh, it's just a shadow made naturally by some furniture or something.
Then there's the instincts of the Beast. You know those legends of Vampires not having shadows and reflections? Well, they do, you just never see them. Because the Beast knows exactly where to stand to avoid being seen. Especially with Obsfucate active.
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Sorry no, like any perception filter it can be overcome and this case is wholly justified.
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Not really in this case, because once again, it doesn't make sense for that power to bypass Obsfucate, especially when she knows he's there anyway but simply filters him out. So having seven shadows for seven people is fine, but really only caring about 6 of them makes sense. Obsfucate works like that. You already know he's there, subconciously at the very least, you simply ignore him. That's how it works.
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Whatever, mike post when you can, meetings cancelled. I'm not getting into a gm call again and this stuff makes the whole thing pointless.
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Hahahaha wait what? Just because you can't have your way when it comes with Jack's being able to be unnoticeable when he wants to be, you're going to break up the meeting? Wow.
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I'm not about to waste time posting stuff so you can ruin it like you always try to do.
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So you think Jack's going to interrupt this? Like hell he will. He's going to wait and see what happens and get as much information as he can about this. He's not interrupting this, and I've stated this before. He's just off in the corner waiting.
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He's getting nothing as far as I'm concerned. I'm not having my characters continue. I'm well aware that you'll just ruin everything like you've been trying to ruin the game for me this whole time.
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So you are throwing a bitchfit here because Jack is going to stand there, listen, and not do anything to change the outcome of this meeting.
...Seriously Lantz, this is mindboggling to me that you're doing this. Again. He's just standing there. Not. Doing. Anything. He's just listening in. So your complaint is pretty much invalid because holy shit he's not doing anything but listening in on a private conversation (Which is what his freaking job is, he's a private investigator) and thinking about how to use the information he gets.
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Private, exactly. And you'll no doubt use it to PK my characters like you've been doing since the start
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Considering you're talking about the grail war, yeah, he's going to absorb ALL THE INFORMATION. Privacy for Jack isn't an issue, because his fucking job is to basically invade people's privacy. And he's only going to use this info if it's relevant, otherwise he's going to sell it to Frost to keep him placated and off his turf. That's his job. Deal with it.
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No Arch. Have fun with the bit you got. You aren't getting anymore
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In Character, your characters leaving doesn't make sense. In character Jack listening in makes sense.
So basically, you're metagaming.
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It makes plenty of sense. They feel something is off, they don't know what so they stop talking and leave. Like a ghost's cold spots
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OK. First off. Obsfucate doesn't do that. You know he's there but you don't care. So no, they wouldn't feel that anything's off at all. That's the point of Obsfucate.
Second off, because of the first point, what you're doing is metagaming.
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No Arch. Just no. It's a perception filter, like any filter it has holes. The sense of uncertainty would certainly not get past Satoshi or Connor, end of story.
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Dude, the point with obsfucate is that it doesn't let anything feel wrong. He's there. You know he's there, you just don't give a shit.
So basically they won't feel anything wrong. If he was using Nightmare, then oh yes, they'd all be feeling something wrong.
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Sorry no. Dragon and Demi god, bigger then your filter can process, which means they will feel off and leave.
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Sorry, no, they don't have anything to get through Obsfucate. Satoshi is still human, and so is Connor. If LANCER can't sense him, then neither of them should be able to. Basically you claiming they can sense him now is asspulling of the highest magnitude. Hell, the Taiga Seeing Aura's thing was also bullshit, because that's never mentioned in her sheet or at all before.
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Wrong arch. Just be happy you got this much, you never declared entering the room and passing lancer, so I don't care. Your obvious pk set up is nonsense
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I pointed out that he was eavesdropping, by which I assumed people would realize, "Oh, he's in the room." Really dude, quit your bitching and accept it. This is far less important than the GIANT CASTLE OF BULLSHIT bit. This is just one character doing what he does for a living.
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No Arch. I'm not going to have them continue. Take your minmaxed munchkin PKing nonsense elsewhere
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Picard's Epic Double Facepalm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI#)
Lantz, stop being THAT GUY
You're making a huge deal out of something tiny, just let him listen in. It's not like they're sharing 101 ways to kill each other, how the fuck is it going to help him PK you, assuming he even wants to this time around?
spoiler it won't
this entire thing is stupid
And even if you were going to have them just leave, just fucking do it instead of threatening to, nobody wants to read two pages in the discussion thread about "I'M GOING TO DO IT" "But it makes no sense" "I'M STILL GOING TO DO IT WATCH ME" "IC, this makes no sense dude what the fuck" "CAREFUL MY FINGER IS ABOVE THE POST BUTTON AAAAAAAAH"
basically do it or don't, but stop cluttering the damn thread
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You're right that I should have stopped after notifying Mike that the meeting is trashed. That much is true Names.
the thing is the rest of it is secret for a reason and all his characters ever do is try to fuck up or kill my characters and I have no doubt this is the same as those times. As such I have to shut it down because I'm sick of the bullshit boring cycle of fending off murder attempts.
and seriously don't try and tell me he's not going to, I don't believe it for a second.
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Heeeeeey guys, what happened yesterday while I wasn't aroun -
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God, really? I echo Names's feelings on this. Seriously.
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You're making a huge deal out of something tiny, just let him listen in. It's not like they're sharing 101 ways to kill each other, how the fuck is it going to help him PK you, assuming he even wants to this time around?
Because Lantz is going to explain what is in the chest, which he hasn't revealed to everyone in the RP precisely because he doesn't trust Arch not to abuse that knowledge, and because Arch repeatedly keeps going out of the way to kill his characters.
And, frankly, Arch is pulling some really dubious bullshit here. He is once again abusing powers that he claims there is no counter for and refusing to give Lantz's characters any possibility of bypassing it despite there being a whole bunch of not-normal people in the room. And I'm pretty sure he's doing it to either give himself some justification for another murder attempt on Lantz's characters or to discover the contents of the chest so he can kill Lantz's characters with impunity.
And, frankly, after the way Magos has acted I do not blame Lantz one bit for assuming that is his intention. When he starts showing any kind of intent to be reasonable towards Lantz and stop meta-gaming and making up OP characters to attack Lantz with then perhaps Lantz might trust him not to abuse anything he finds out.
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wow it's still fucking nothing
if arch really is metagaming he'd find out anyway once, you know, The Lantz Gang reveals the contents of the box, and then he'd still abuse it
so if arch is guilty of what you say he is it doesn't fucking matter anyway
and if he's innocent then it doesn't fucking matter anyway too, because Jack isn't going to attack them as he said earlier
So yeah, fucking nothing
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Well, I think Lantz intends to only tell the people who have characters in the room what is in the box, to prevent Arch finding out.
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Names just stop please. It's clear you won't recognize the main issue here, it's pointless to continue the argument. There's no need to clutter up the thread. I'll take care of the issue by doing what I said I would and that is that.
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The thing is, had Magos actually RP'd any of this I could accept what he's doing as valid, but he hasn't done that at all. He's just decreed that he's in the room based on one post he made about following them (that happened when they were all already in the room and had had plenty of chance to detect him) and is refusing to accept any possibility of them detecting him. That is not, to me, acceptable RPing, and if he's claiming to have powers that cannot be bypassed then he is quite simply OP.
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In the end I won't accept the situation as is. It's utter garbage, so I'm going to cut off the meeting by whatever means I must. You're right Mike and frankly the number of characters that should be able to get past it in that room is ridiculous but Arch wants to uber power his characters while hypocritically shouting Mary sue at me so I have little choice but to undercut the scene thanks to what is effectively phasing through a wall.
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Names just stop please.
Because I'm the one who reignited the argument right
wait that's not right, I'm just the one refuting the re-ignition with points that don't agree with you, so I'm the one that should stop, K
by your command, my lord God
It's clear you won't recognize the main issue here, it's pointless to continue the argument.
lel
the ironies
There's no need to clutter up the thread.
Clutter is the last two pages: the same two posts reworded at least thirty times, going absolutely nowhere. Bringing up new points to bounce back and forth is not clutter, because it brings up new, relevant stuff.
Education~
The thing is, had Magos actually RP'd any of this I could accept what he's doing as valid, but he hasn't done that at all. He's just decreed that he's in the room based on one post he made about following them (that happened when they were all already in the room and had had plenty of chance to detect him) and is refusing to accept any possibility of them detecting him. That is not, to me, acceptable RPing, and if he's claiming to have powers that cannot be bypassed then he is quite simply OP.
Let me put it this way: He has an ability that makes him as unnoticeable as a wall: there, people know he's there, but they don't give a fuck. Is it in his sheet? If Y, okay. If N, he can fuck off. Do Lantz's characters have an ability to detect such things? Y, then look at the sheet. N, they can't see him. If Y, look at the sheet: Is there even a MINUSCULE MENTION of it? Y, They notice. N, they cannot fucking detect him as an anomaly.
If the order is Y N or Y Y N, then he could have damn well have opened the door and sat on the bed, and they wouldn't have fucking noticed him and it would all have been in keeping with what we know of each other, which is what sheets are for: letting the other RP people know shit.
It's that fucking simple.
If it works against him then maybe he should put more than thirty seconds into his sheets.
I'm done with this argument now, I've been commanded by my God, Lord of Everything, to stop.
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Sorry, that is just bollocks. I agree that Lantz's sheets should be more detailed, but people do forget to put abilities on their sheet sometimes, especially when they seem like obvious abilities. And, plus, Magos made his character after Lantz did and obviously made said character to try to bypass Lantz's characters in every way possible, which seems to me like utter bullshit.
Also, the fact that Magos managed to hoodwink Elf into accepting crap like that on his sheets doesn't mean it's OK for him to abuse the hell out of it. And, for that matter, I don't recall anything on Magos' sheet saying he can resist Taiga's eyes, but he still did it.
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Satoshi has divine protection, I forgot about it because it is rarely used but it works here.
as for the rest of your post. Your previous statements looked to be starting a new argument Names. I asked you to stop because we don't need anymore.
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Lucas Klein is approved!
Woooooooo! *throws confetti*
And thanks for the welcome, guys :)
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Given that I don't want the conversation eavesdroped on any further. Mike, Elf mind if I just post now to speed this along and get Arch's vampire out quicker?
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Sure, logically you should have detected him ages ago, but Magos never mentioned he was there.
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Sorry, that is just bollocks. I agree that Lantz's sheets should be more detailed, but people do forget to put abilities on their sheet sometimes, especially when they seem like obvious abilities. And, plus, Magos made his character after Lantz did and obviously made said character to try to bypass Lantz's characters in every way possible, which seems to me like utter bullshit.
Also, the fact that Magos managed to hoodwink Elf into accepting crap like that on his sheets doesn't mean it's OK for him to abuse the hell out of it. And, for that matter, I don't recall anything on Magos' sheet saying he can resist Taiga's eyes, but he still did it.
Then he should correct the sheet. There are no 'obvious abilities'. Detection of invisible or otherwise obscured people needs to be made note of in 'things my character is capable of'.
Most of my characters don't have that on their sheets, and I would not complain about the use of abilities that took advantage of this blind spot.
And he hasn't 'hoodwinked' Elf; that's incredibly disrespectful of her on your part, Mike.
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Sure, he should correct his sheet, although I think he doesn't because of technical issues a lot of the time. But, then, this particular ability is on there anyway....
And, well, Elf doesn't know exactly what WoD vampires can do, so it's not hard for Magos to pull the wool over her eyes. And, also, I think she trusted him to RP them more reasonably than he actually does.
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You're very welcome, Mooncake! :D ...Sorry this is what you had to come in on again. ^^"
And lantz, I'd really suggest not stopping that meeting, for your own sake. Having just learned that you deliberately ignore the entirety of Nasuverse canon except for small parts of it because you feel no need to respect the source material of things you've stolen from to make up what you call a Universe, that means we have no idea how your characters work or why. This is made even more egregious by what you have failed to put on your sheets. Nor do you ever add this information to your sheets, as both Mike and Aiden have just said that you should do.
Quite frankly, this new information about your canon is about the last straw for me lantz. I believe a GM decision should be made about your RPing. It's gotten to the point where I'm honestly thinking of leaving the RP and consequently the forum, because I've quite frankly had enough of your behavior and your blatant disrespect for everyone that is not yourself. If your behavior doesn't change drastically for the better, and fast, it will become a situation where people will have to choose between you staying or me staying. And I honestly don't think anyone wants it to come down to that.
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Sure, he should correct his sheet, although I think he doesn't because of technical issues a lot of the time. But, then, this particular ability is on there anyway....
And, well, Elf doesn't know exactly what WoD vampires can do, so it's not hard for Magos to pull the wool over her eyes. And, also, I think she trusted him to RP them more reasonably than he actually does.
I have the same power explained in more detail than Magos put it in on my own sheet for Marius, and she approved it. So, no, she knows pretty well how this particular bit of vampiric power works.
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He's not going to stop the meeting, he's going to find Magos, using an ability he has included on his sheet. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Divine protection Aiden, as in ha with (straight from the moon rune boys at bl no less) Saber Satoshi has power from the lady of the lake. Saber was Water walking and the sword. Satoshi has water breathing and resistance to all forms of common illusions and tricks the typical stuff fairy are known for. This is enough leverage to detect Arch.
Alice you had Archer disown a child and I didn't complain despite that I believe it to be totally wrong. The reason being that you have the right to play your characters your way. And the same goes for me, if you can't deal with that basic fact then I don't know what to tell you.
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He's not going to stop the meeting, he's going to find Magos, using an ability he has included on his sheet. I don't see anything wrong with that.
OK. Mike. If he'd done that bit first off, then I'd have had few complaints - except the power he's using is pretty much a bullshit 'NO SNEAK ATTACKS EVAR' bit and that's all we know about it. In his sheet it contains none of the details, which is a problem with Lantz's sheets as a whole, and now he drops this bombshell that 'Taiga' isn't blind, despite stating that quite a few times before. For as much as he complains about me being a minmaxing munchkin (Minmaxing isn't a bad thing, and I find the last bit laughable) all of his characters are fucking perfect stats wise most of the time. So look in the mirror before throwing that out Lantz, because you're doing that far more than I am.
But basically I agree with Names, just fucking post then Lantz and stop being a little bitch about it.
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Alright then. Let's take it down to a vote.
lantz. Or me.
Who should stay in the RP and who should go?
Because I'm officially done with this bullshit.
The person with the least votes should leave the RP permanently. Hopefully Elf will make sure and enforce the group's decision.
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I'd rather have Alice so we don't have fucking arguments like this again and have to deal with the Sue Brigade.
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Taiga arch is a result of you not reading posts. Divine protection has been there since day one, it's just that I never thought it would ever matter so I forgot it was on my sheet.
Alice it's not your game, that's a GM only call to make
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OK. Mike. If he'd done that bit first off, then I'd have had few complaints - except the power he's using is pretty much a bullshit 'NO SNEAK ATTACKS EVAR' bit and that's all we know about it. In his sheet it contains none of the details, which is a problem with Lantz's sheets as a whole, and now he drops this bombshell that 'Taiga' isn't blind, despite stating that quite a few times before. For as much as he complains about me being a minmaxing munchkin (Minmaxing isn't a bad thing, and I find the last bit laughable) all of his characters are fucking perfect stats wise most of the time. So look in the mirror before throwing that out Lantz, because you're doing that far more than I am.
But basically I agree with Names, just fucking post then Lantz and stop being a little bitch about it.
I agree that his sheet really could do with more details, but I think that is mainly because he posts from his phone, and his phone can't cope with editing long posts. As for Taiga, the "seeing colours" thing has been around for a long time (she did it when she first met Kiyoshi), and she is blind in the usual sense (if you had someone like that in real life I'm pretty sure they'd be classed as blind).
And, min-maxing isn't a bad thing in the right context. But, this isn't an RP about maximising your characters' ability to fight, it's more about character interaction and discussion, which makes min-maxing more of an issue. Also, Lantz dislikes min-maxing as a general thing, which is just personal preference.
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Alright then. Let's take it down to a vote.
lantz. Or me.
Who should stay in the RP and who should go?
Because I'm officially done with this bullshit.
Both should stay. I do not wish to see either of you leave or be forced out of the RP.
It's not up to us, though, it's Elf's choice how to handle it.
The person with the least votes should leave the RP permanently. Hopefully Elf will make sure and enforce the group's decision.
Honestly, if Elf kicks either of you as a result of this, I will walk too. This is not tyranny by majority, the majority disliking someone doesn't mean they have to leave. I will not have my friends forced out of the RP and the forum, and I have no desire to be part of an RP run on that basis.
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If Lantz dislikes minmaxing then why do all of his characters have virtually perfect statistics? If this isn't about that sort of shit then why do all of his characters seemingly have A's in the majority of their stats?
As for the seeing colors, if that's only been mentioned once then my bad, I probably missed it. But the point still stands that he should put the details in to start with so it seems less like a total asspull when he brings up stuff like this. Without any of the associated context or information put in first off, we view it as an enormous asspull, primarily because it is an enormous asspull.
Also so far it's 2 votes Alice, 1 vote Lantz.
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.... I'm not usually one to use such words.
BUT CAN WE ALL FUCKING DROP THIS DRAMA AND BEHAVE LIKE ADULTS?! To hell with the voting, there are deeper problems here!
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I vote for Lantz, his hat pulling munchkin shenanigans are the main reason to lurk this thread.
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You mean like Lantz's bullshit 'WAAAH NO ONE GETS TO HAVE FUN IF I DON'T GET MY WAY' metagaming? Or the fact that we're arguing in general?
I vote for Lantz, his hat pulling munchkin shenanigans are the main reason to lurk this thread.
I <3 you too I3uster.
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If Lantz dislikes minmaxing then why do all of his characters have virtually perfect statistics? If this isn't about that sort of shit then why do all of his characters seemingly have A's in the majority of their stats?
That's not min-maxing, that's just OP. Min-maxing would be having characters with an E in something that is actually meaningless so you can get an A in everything else.
As for the seeing colors, if that's only been mentioned once then my bad, I probably missed it. But the point still stands that he should put the details in to start with so it seems less like a total asspull when he brings up stuff like this. Without any of the associated context or information put in first off, we view it as an enormous asspull, primarily because it is an enormous asspull.
Yeah, I agree his sheets could do with more detail.
Also so far it's 2 votes Alice, 1 vote Lantz.
I somehow doubt that Elf is going to go along with this, honestly. She hasn't given any kind of approval to the idea and it doesn't seem like her sort of thing to me.
.... I'm not usually one to use such words.
BUT CAN WE ALL FUCKING DROP THIS DRAMA AND BEHAVE LIKE ADULTS?! To hell with the voting, there are deeper problems here!
Yeah....
Honestly, I think there are genuine issues with Lantz's RPing (particularly with regards to the detail in the sheet), but they tend to get buried under this sort of crap and never dealt with as a result. Lantz is willing to try to resolve stuff like this, I think, but right now he is basically having to walk on eggshells all the time, because anything he says can be interpreted as an insult.
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Stop voting.
There is literally no point to the exercise except show we're childish morons who can't solve interpersonal issues properly.
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So you're admitting that all of Lantz's characters are OP?
Oh, and his sheets should have far, far, far more detail. For that matter, Mike, when you threaten to leave and disable the site if Elf acts, then you're basically becoming the GM yourself and preventing her from doing her job. Don't do that. You're interfering with Elf's ability to control the game.
Stop voting.
There is literally no point to the exercise except show we're childish morons who can't solve interpersonal issues properly.
Really, I'd agree if this wasn't the only way I can really see solving this issue short of permabanning Lantz.
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I vote for Lantz, his hat pulling munchkin shenanigans are the main reason to lurk this thread.
vote over, the Spiritual Liege has spoken
now update untouchable you, you double lurker
Seriously though this entire vote is fucking retarded. I vote +1 to "shut the fuck up and RP you guys shit"
stop whining about what's going on and saying "I'm doing this" and do it already
Will repeat ad infinitum ad nauseum until shit actually happens
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Thank you Names
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So you're admitting that all of Lantz's characters are OP?
Well, it's hard to define "OP" in this context. But, they are quite powerful, yes.
Oh, and his sheets should have far, far, far more detail.
Agreed.
For that matter, Mike, when you threaten to leave and disable the site if Elf acts, then you're basically becoming the GM yourself and preventing her from doing her job. Don't do that. You're interfering with Elf's ability to control the game.
Well, I feel Alice is doing something similar here, so I don't see why I shouldn't also do so. I've never been someone who cares about rules and procedures, I just do what I think is right.
If Elf genuinely believes Lantz should be kicked that's another matter, but right now it seems like Alice is trying to force her into it by threatening to walk otherwise, and that is not something I can just overlook. If someone else is going to take that approach then I feel the only option is to negate it by making an even worse threat.
I know from my experience on BL that threats like this do matter (one of the mods made such a threat, and DP admitted to me that it coloured his intentions significantly). But he also told me that a higher-level threat would have negated that, and I do not intend to allow the same thing to happen to Lantz here as happened to me on BL.
Really, I'd agree if this wasn't the only way I can really see solving this issue short of permabanning Lantz.
It doesn't resolve it, though. For one thing, Alice knows she'll win the vote, that's why she put it up. No-one is going to openly vote against her.
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That doesn't look like an rp post lantz
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Mike, this is what it's come down to. Either way I'd be likely leaving the RP soon if lantz doesn't leave said RP. Because I've had enough. I've had to put up with this for 4-6 months now, and quite frankly, I shouldn't be made this miserable over a damn RP. I've had far, far, far worse happen to me and yet here I am, still miserable over a damn RP. And all because of one man. And that's not right or healthy.
To be honest, I'll be miserable if I leave too, but quite frankly, at this point it's a matter of choosing between two evils. lantz clearly doesn't care about anyone else playing but himself, and also refuses to change. I honestly don't see how this can be resolved without one of us leaving at this point. lantz will never change, and I will continue to be miserable so long as he's there. That is why I started the vote, even if it was immature to do so. Because quite frankly, lantz will never change or care to change. And since he is immune from administrative action apparently, this is what I must do if there is to be any change enacted around here. Because otherwise it's just going to continue being a cycle of endless arguments and stupidity, all because of lantz.
Though if everyone wishes for me to just leave already, then I will.... If that is the decision to be made then, then it's senseless to beat around the bush.
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No one will vote against her because everyone is sick of Lantz's bullshit by this point. I'm sick of it, Alice is sick of it, I'm betting you Elf is sick of it to the point where she'd prefer to ignore Lantz's characters entirely if she was given the option. Nachos is sick of it, but he's not voting because really this shouldn't be happening, but he's clearly sick of Lantz being Lantz.
I3uster only voted for lantz because it's somewhat enjoyable to see him bullshit.
Really, from a purely RP perspective, Alice is a far better roleplayer who makes actual posts and plays her characters well. Lantz meanwhile metagames like a little fucker and barely posts when he does post. In any RP, hands down, I'd prefer Alice to Lantz.
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Mike, this is what it's come down to. Either way I'd be likely leaving the RP soon if lantz doesn't leave said RP. Because I've had enough. I've had to put up with this for 4-6 months now, and quite frankly, I shouldn't be made this miserable over a damn RP. I've had far, far, far worse happen to me and yet here I am, still miserable over a damn RP. And all because of one man. And that's not right or healthy.
[To be honest, I'll be miserable if I leave too, but quite frankly, at this point it's a matter of choosing between two evils. lantz clearly doesn't care about anyone else playing but himself, and also refuses to change. I honestly don't see how this can be resolved without one of us leaving at this point. lantz will never change, and I will continue to be miserable so long as he's there. That is why I started the vote, even if it was immature to do so. Because quite frankly, lantz will never change or care to change.
Yeah, I understand that you're miserable, and it can't go on. We just need a good solution, even if it is just ignoring him as much as possible.
And since he is immune from administrative action apparently, this is what I must do if there is to be any change enacted around here. Because otherwise it's just going to continue being a cycle of endless arguments and stupidity, all because of lantz.
Lantz is not immune to admin action, I just will not allow rage-banning on my forum. I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of such a thing and I will not and cannot condone it happening on my watch. I own the forum, I am responsible for anything that happens here, and no amount of bullshit about "not being an admin" can change that.
Though if everyone wishes for me to just leave already, then I will.... If that is the decision to be made then, then it's senseless to beat around the bush.
We don't want you to leave, we just want these arguments to happen less.
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All I have ever done despite being attacked repeatedly is try to not rock the boat. I have in fact changed the way I post and have never forced my characters to interact with others despite others forcing themselves on to me.
I'll say it again. Everyone has the right to play their characters their way.
this ultimatum crap is, as stated earlier in the thread, childish.
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Mike, this isn't a rage banning.
Lantz has pulled shit here on this forum multiple times that should have gotten him banned. His general attitude to Alice and I, along with his attempts to brow beat people into following along with him and doing everything his way has gotten out of hand and at this point, he needs to be punished for it. He's been warned twice over this attitude, and at the very least a Temporary Ban is in order so he realizes hopefully that there are consequences to his actions.
You need to stop coddling him Mike. Lantz doesn't need to be treated like a child and protected, he's a grown fucking man who needs to realize what's acceptable on a forum and what is not.
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Nice lies arch
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*Facepalm*
OK, first off, the attempts to kick me from threads you had no right to attempt to kick me from. Second, your general refusal to actually change your behavior despite being told about it repeatedly. Third, within the RP, repeatedly showing absolute contempt for other players and complaining about having plans in an RP ruined by other characters when you shouldn't be planning shit in this RP to begin with. Fourth, your general attitude to both Alice and I, and your general refusal within this whole thread to compromise with other players about frankly anything.
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Mike, this isn't a rage banning.
Lantz has pulled shit here on this forum multiple times that should have gotten him banned. His general attitude to Alice and I, along with his attempts to brow beat people into following along with him and doing everything his way has gotten out of hand and at this point, he needs to be punished for it. He's been warned twice over this attitude, and at the very least a Temporary Ban is in order so he realizes hopefully that there are consequences to his actions.
You need to stop coddling him Mike. Lantz doesn't need to be treated like a child and protected, he's a grown fucking man who needs to realize what's acceptable on a forum and what is not.
If Lantz deserves a ban here then I deserved a ban on BL many times over. Since I don't agree with that I therefore do not think he deserves a ban either.
Also, we have a specific process for giving out bans, involving all of the admins. If Alice invokes that and it passes then I have a much harder decision to make, but I will have no qualms undoing any ban I do not consider absolutely necessary that is not done with the consent of the admin team as a whole. And especially any ban done by someone who is clearly not thinking rationally or impartially at the time.
No-one (or, at least, very few people) can be impartial when it comes to arguments they are involved in or what they see as personal attacks. I know that from bitter personal experience. Therefore, I will not ever allow someone to hand out a unilateral ban in response to something said to them that I do not agree is urgently necessary.
OK, first off, the attempts to kick me from threads you had no right to attempt to kick me from.
He has the right to ask, and Alice is doing much the same here despite it being Elf's RP. You might consider speaking freely worthy of a ban (unless it is you doing it, apparently...), but I sure as hell don't.
Second, your general refusal to actually change your behavior despite being told about it repeatedly.
That is entirely his decision and, if necessary, Elf's. Not being willing to fall in line with the opinions of the majority is not a bannable offence.
Third, within the RP, repeatedly showing absolute contempt for other players and complaining about having plans in an RP ruined by other characters when you shouldn't be planning shit in this RP to begin with.
Which is an RP matter not a forum matter. If Elf considers him to be acting unreasonably she can kick him from the RP, but bad RPing is not a bannable offence.
Fourth, your general attitude to both Alice and I, and your general refusal within this whole thread to compromise with other players about frankly anything.
Your attitude to him has been no better than his to you (considerably worse, in fact), and I don't see you getting a ban. Further, he has been willing to compromise, you just seem to consider "compromising" to mean "capitulating".
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If Lantz deserves a ban here then I deserved a ban on BL many times over. Since I don't agree with that I therefore do not think he deserves a ban either.
Also, we have a specific process for giving out bans, involving all of the admins. If Alice invokes that and it passes then I have a much harder decision to make, but I will have no qualms undoing any ban I do not consider absolutely necessary that is not done with the consent of the admin team as a whole. And especially any ban done by someone who is clearly not thinking rationally or impartially at the time.
No-one (or, at least, very few people) can be impartial when it comes to arguments they are involved in or what they see as personal attacks. I know that from bitter personal experience. Therefore, I will not ever allow someone to hand out a unilateral ban in response to something said to them that I do not agree is urgently necessary.
See my last post. Those actions are frankly, all things worthy of at the very least a temporary ban. Lantz has over the course of 6 months basically forced Alice into this from his general attitude. He's a caustic presence on the site that is the source of practically every argument in this thread, and despite warnings and multiple people telling him to not do certain things, he does them again. And again. And again.
Lantz quite frankly should be banned because to do otherwise at this point is condoning the behavior he's expressing.
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GM controls the game Arch, if that's what you are referring to. My behavior is coloured by your attitude, I'm not the one constantly getting in peoples faces despite what you claim. The first thing you did after registered was flame me, the very first post. I don't have contempt for players Arch nor do I show any, that is, again, fabricated by your attitude. I did not start the game as if it were a combat game, I have contempt for your persistent attempts to slaughter my characters wholesale.
you and Alice do nothing but insult me, call me names and scream at me. What response do you expect exactly?
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See my last post. Those actions are frankly, all things worthy of at the very least a temporary ban. Lantz has over the course of 6 months basically forced Alice into this from his general attitude. He's a caustic presence on the site that is the source of practically every argument in this thread, and despite warnings and multiple people telling him to not do certain things, he does them again. And again. And again.
Lantz quite frankly should be banned because to do otherwise at this point is condoning the behavior he's expressing.
Magos, no, those actions are absolutely not worthy of a ban. The attitude is more arguable, but if Lantz's attitude is worthy of a ban then you should have been banned about 10 times over by now for the amount of flaming and insults you have thrown at him.
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Oh look, more stupidity. From pretty much everyone except Names and YOLF.
This is ridiculous.
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Yeah, OK, we should cut this out.
Arch, you are entitled to your opinion on what is and is not worthy of a ban. It is never likely to co-incide with mine and nothing you say will change that because I have a different fundamental philosophy to you (for one thing, I don't buy the whole "not punishing something means condoning it" argument, and am opposed to things like drugs laws and anti-lolicon laws despite not particularly condoning those things). This is just a stupid argument that is going to set things off again.
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GM controls the game Arch, if that's what you are referring to. My behavior is coloured by your attitude, I'm not the one constantly getting in peoples faces despite what you claim. The first thing you did after registered was flame me, the very first post. I don't have contempt for players Arch nor do I show any, that is, again, fabricated by your attitude. I did not start the game as if it were a combat game, I have contempt for your persistent attempts to slaughter my characters wholesale.
you and Alice do nothing but insult me, call me names and scream at me. What response do you expect exactly?
Really, what provokes those confrontations is your own attitude and actions and if you can't understand that frankly you're beyond help.
Mike, I want to point you out to the Dungeon Crawl thread - Lantz for no reason, explicitly said in the OP that I can't join. When I posted in the thread about the fact that his changes don't make mechanical sense and clarifying stuff for someone who's curious, he told me to get out of the thread and started whining on and on about this fact, even when Daiki posted about this, he then attacked him despite Daiki's post being completely free of insults and the like, and it's only fault in lantz's eyes being it supported me. Quite frankly this sort of attitude has been repeated several times by Lantz, even when like here, I'm not actually doing anything that could actively harm his RP.
All my character's attempts to kill his were justified in character through Lantz's own actions and things on his sheet. I gave him options, things to do, and the chance to react, but each time he did act he (and you I might add) threw a bitch fit about it simply because he wasn't getting his way.
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Magos, drop it.
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GM controls the game Arch, it's universal. In cross effects elf is the gm, in your wod it's you and in dungeon crawl it's me.
don't like it too bad. And I don't remember snapping at daiki.
and PKers can justify anything Arch
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And you Lantz. This argument has gone on way too long.
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Fair enough
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*sigh*
I dislike where this argument is going. Again.
First off, Alice, no one wants you to leave, and if you recognize it'll just make you miserable either way, then don't choose to do that please. The lack of your presence would hurt the RP, and it would hurt the story. Think of how the enjoyable parts you've contributed to it already. I would grieve to see you leave the RP.
Second. I don't honesty think the majority of lantz's offenses are ban-worthy. He's stubborn, doesn't conform, is hard to listen to advice and compromise with others for the sake of the general flow of the story, doesn't seem to put that much effort in writing overall which shows in the general low (IMHO) quality of his RP posts, and his character sheets could use a lot more work because a lot of the time it feels like he's pulling completely unexplained stuff out of nowhere.
That said, these are all things that matter in the scope of the RP, because even if he's been at least somewhat disrespectful by ignoring the advices of those who do care for general improvement and don't just dislike him for other reasons or have issues with him, he hasn't been caustic and disruptive enough to warrant a forum ban.
Now, a ban from the RP? That I don't necessarily disagree with, unless he does yield on the matter and starts to pay more attention and care to those details that clearly bother people.
These are my thoughts on the matter. I have a feeling I forgot to address some things, and I would write a longer post, but honestly my patience for these arguments is wearing quite thin.
EDIT: Oh look people have calmed down. Finally. Thanks Mike.
... I'm still posting this because I wrote all of that already and I think I mentioned pertinent points.
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Magos, drop it.
Oh I will, just one last thing.
And Lantz, you need to stop viewing your characters as sacred untouchable unkillable things while still viewing others as little more than objects. It's a hypocritical attitude that pervades all your posts, that all your characters are somehow more important than everyone else's and that yours should always get their way no matter what. For that matter, I've repeatedly stated that I left my WoD game open for everyone, so if you want to join great you can if you wish. You, on the other hand, banned me right off the bat for no real reason. If I'm willing to accept you despite my issues with your RP'ing and attitude in general, then why shouldn't you?
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And that yolf is the issue I have. You guys don't listen when I speak. And for your information I have changed the way I post and I am cooperative. Both names and mike wanted to do stuff and I did it.
trying asking instead of demanding and realize my characters have a right to their opinions.
Arch, I do not think my characters unkillable, if you paid attention the thirteen times (now fourteen) I said it then you would know.
I do not condone a pointless death, I ain't Joey Q. Character death has to mean something. Your attacks against my characters have been pointless. They were nothing more than the death of the character (also the fact that you scream into the void that my characters are sues doesn't help your cause) which is useless by itself.
Spock is a great character for example but if he had been killed like,a red shirt in the classic series it would be Ill fitting.
this game is not a combat game
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Well, meet Lucas - a somewhat arrogant shut-in who hasn't gotten used to the fact that he isn't at the top of the food chain anymore, and has a tendency to do rather stupid things sometimes.
Also, time to try to shake things up a little >.>
Yes, I went there <.<
(He's going to find out that assaulting an apartment building with a Servant, Vampires, and Psychics inside while underestimating them is not, perhaps, the best idea)
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Nice entrance cake :)
and Arch, seriously ask in the other thread about the game, the least we can do it keep things organized
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*sticks head up from bunker*
... looks like it's over. I hope.
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Should do Aiden
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Honestly, I don't want either Alice or Lantz to quit.
Especially if Alice quits it'll leave pretty much all of my characters up the creek without a paddle.
Not to mention, Lantz has a right to game here too. Even though his writing is, sad to say, sub-par.
Then there is something else too, which I think would help solve a lot of the problems for both Lantz and Alice.
If you two don't like this idea, then I can come up with something else.
However, what I would suggest is to have your characters not interact at all with each other, not even attempt to. Just to make things easier on both of you.
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Well, them not interacting seems like a good idea, but I'm not sure how exactly it would work. I mean, they're in the same house and sometimes the same room.
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Been trying to the whole time elf.
and thank you for your opinion about my writing.
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You do realize that this makes Satoshi sound like he's talking to air Lantz? Just because he can see him doesn't mean another can.
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Yes Arch, of that I am aware. Not that it matters much one way or another.
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There's also a super-Elemental monster hunter thingy in your front room, trying to come upstairs so he can kill you/kidnap you, interrogate you, then kill you - so that might be - oh right, your meeting is soundproofed.
>.>
<.<
Welp, gonna mosey on in and take a gander at the proceedings (blatant lies)
That is, if the people/things in the downstairs don't get me first :)
This is gonna be fun.
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There's also a super-Elemental monster hunter thingy in your front room, trying to come upstairs so he can kill you/kidnap you, interrogate you, then kill you - so that might be - oh right, your meeting is soundproofed.
>.>
<.<
Welp, gonna mosey on in and take a gander at the proceedings (blatant lies)
That is, if the people/things in the downstairs don't get me first :)
This is gonna be fun.
I know this is great.
Yes Arch, of that I am aware. Not that it matters much one way or another.
I'd bet but really, all you're doing is shooting yourself in the foot.
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Not sure how you figure that Arch. There's no advantage to letting him listen in
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There is when saying he's there makes him sound crazy.
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To whom is he crazy exactly?
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Less arguing, more RPing.
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There is when saying he's there makes him sound crazy.
I think people are capable of accepting "there's some hidden vampire guy in the corner". Also, surely obsfucate doesn't work so well when he's openly pointed out. That seems to me like something that should bypass it, like Jack attacking someone would. Especially amongst people who I would expect to have a decent natural defence against such things.
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Perception filters usually snap when pointed out, that's the way I'm treating it
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In our vampire game, our often Obfuscate using vampire has a habit of seemingly showing up out of nowhere by chiming in on a conversation, which promptly makes everyone think "since when was he there? õ,O". And by this I mean, no one usually notices he's there until he speaks out.
Satoshi pointing Jack out probably won't instantly make everyone realize he's there, but it does make it more likely for them to actually take note of him.
Since, well, Face In The Crowd is a subtle mind trick that affects everyone individually (if he does something that slightly calls to attention, one person could notice and others might not). Unlike Cloak Of Night, which completely erases the vampire's presence.
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Well, if they were just normal people you'd probably be right that it wouldn't be enough to notice, but the people in the room are not normal in any way. I would expect someone like Rider (who, remember, is a fallen goddess) to have significant mental defences against such a thing, so it shouldn't be too difficult for her to overcome obsfucate once something odd has been pointed out. She's used to weird shit happening, so she'd likely recognise something was up.
I would imagine that a situation like this would be cause for a perception roll on behalf of the characters if you were playing WoD, and I expect our characters to have a decent shot at passing that roll.
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And considering Satoshi was the only one who noticed him through Obsfucate, they still shouldn't be able to notice him unless he does something that draws attention to himself beyond what Suetoshi has done.
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I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.
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Sorry Arch, my characters will all pick up on him next post.
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I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.
Considering that what he's doing sounds and looks like him being fucking nuts, especially after that whole "I AM 2000 YEARS OLD" stuff, if there was a roll, there would be a serious penalty to it, simply because what he said sounds fucking insane.
Also the "I have a lot of Vampire friends" does not excuse the Fangs comment there. Suetoshi is surprisingly racist against nonhumans...
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I don't think that logic follows at all. Having someone address him naturally draws attention to him in a way that him just being there doesn't. Our characters are not normal people, they're not going to be that easily-fooled.
Considering that what he's doing sounds and looks like him being fucking nuts, especially after that whole "I AM 2000 YEARS OLD" stuff, if there was a roll, there would be a serious penalty to it, simply because what he said sounds fucking insane.
Also the "I have a lot of Vampire friends" does not excuse the Fangs comment there. Suetoshi is surprisingly racist against nonhumans...
It might sound nuts to Jack, it doesn't to Lantz's characters and it doesn't to Rider either (remember, she would have lived forever were it not for Perseus, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that she was thousands of years old when she died). She has seen nothing yet to make her think Satoshi would start talking to a wall, and she's well aware that things can be not as they seem (after all, if she's in spirit form it's entirely possible for Sakura to talk to her without anyone else knowing that she's there).
Plus, the way Obsfucate seems to work makes it pretty obvious to me that you are inclined to just ignore his presence rather than him being literally invisible. If the most logical explanation for what is happening is "Satoshi is talking to someone" then that makes detecting him far more likely. Especially to someone like Rider, who is actually quite smart, and unlikely to just accept the feeling of "there's nothing there" easily.
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It is only literal invisibility at a level Jack does not have.
I still don't see why you people are making a big deal of this, though.
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Well, I'm just stating what I intend to do and trying to defend it.
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...Actually, here's a question -
Satoshi used his Immunity to the Elements to notice Jack right?
If, as you stated, the ability is due to a contract with elementals... how is it still active? They'd be in another dimension, and if they aren't in the same dimension as you then the contract, by rules of nasu and basic logic, wouldn't be active. If Rider's contract wasn't working with Sakura, how could Satoshi's still be working?
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Oh god Magos. Just let it go, it's not like Jack's going to get killed by being noticed, or Satoshi would've already tried to murder him.
Yes, lantz's sheets need work, but don't drag out the argument with it please.
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...Actually, here's a question -
Satoshi used his Immunity to the Elements to notice Jack right?
If, as you stated, the ability is due to a contract with elementals... how is it still active? They'd be in another dimension, and if they aren't in the same dimension as you then the contract, by rules of nasu and basic logic, wouldn't be active. If Rider's contract wasn't working with Sakura, how could Satoshi's still be working?
Rider's contract with Sakura still exists, she just can't get mana from her because mana doesn't cross through dimensions.
And, honestly, a lot of the characters in the RP should strictly-speaking lose some or all of their powers when not in their home universe, not least because the laws of physics are not compatible between different universes. We are ignoring that because it would make for a bad RP if we didn't.
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to Rider either (remember, she would have lived forever were it not for Perseus, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that she was thousands of years old when she died).
wrong
Medusa was mortal and aged unlike her sisters, which is why she wasn't a loli like them, and there's no mention(as far as I recall) that becoming a monster girl changed that
step it up Mike-senpai
And while I do agree that Satoshi speaking to thin air would make everyone look at him like a whacko(And if Jack didn't answer it'd only reinforce that image because no noticing)(And when people address someone when speaking they don't look at the recipient but rather the speaker), I also agree that this isn't worth the fuss and you guys just just roll with whatever the other guy does, no matter how obfuscatingly stupid you find it, unless it is Retardation Of The Mind (True) and should be looked at by the GM.
Get it, obfuscatingly stupid
like, obfuscate
I'm funny I swear
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Oh god Magos. Just let it go, it's not like Jack's going to get killed by being noticed, or Satoshi would've already tried to murder him.
Yes, lantz's sheets need work, but don't drag out the argument with it please.
I know I'm just curious. I've wanted to ask this for a while, but never really had a relevant time to.
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to Rider either (remember, she would have lived forever were it not for Perseus, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that she was thousands of years old when she died).
wrong
Medusa was mortal and aged unlike her sisters, which is why she wasn't a loli like them, and there's no mention(as far as I recall) that becoming a monster girl changed that
She aged, yes, but I don't think she would die of old age. And her story doesn't make it sound like she was only there for a few years, either.
And while I do agree that Satoshi speaking to thin air would make everyone look at him like a whacko(And if Jack didn't answer it'd only reinforce that image because no noticing)(And when people address someone when speaking they don't look at the recipient but rather the speaker), I also agree that this isn't worth the fuss and you guys just just roll with whatever the other guy does, no matter how obfuscatingly stupid you find it, unless it is Retardation Of The Mind (True) and should be looked at by the GM.
Well, I think they would be more likely to notice someone was there than to think Satoshi was a whacko.
Oh god Magos. Just let it go, it's not like Jack's going to get killed by being noticed, or Satoshi would've already tried to murder him.
Yes, lantz's sheets need work, but don't drag out the argument with it please.
I know I'm just curious. I've wanted to ask this for a while, but never really had a relevant time to.
It's a valid point, I just think that if you go down that route you open a whole can of worms for just about everyone, so it's better to just ignore it.
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I know I'm just curious. I've wanted to ask this for a while, but never really had a relevant time to.
You know if you think about it, a nasuverse magus like shirou (uses Od) would be a lot stronger in a setting where the world isn't out to get your logical fallacies, while a nasuverse magus like Rin (uses mana) would be a little more ambiguous, because different settings might not have ambient magical energy (all variations of, btw) at all.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
But I really don't think we want to start down this road. Let's just keep such things in a "Don't really think about it" folder in our brains.
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No Arch his Divine protection allowed him to notice your vampire
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Erm.... what? That doesn't... what? How does that even work? Jack isn't doing anything hostile, or for that matter, even freaking sinister.
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And, honestly, a lot of the characters in the RP should strictly-speaking lose some or all of their powers when not in their home universe, not least because the laws of physics are not compatible between different universes. We are ignoring that because it would make for a bad RP if we didn't.
There's a rule from a pretty good fanfic that I'm using, which states: Even when switching universes, you maintain the properties of your own universe rather than that of the universe you're visiting.
So if you're a Loony Tunes character, getting hit by Berserker will still flatten you, but you'll be able to walk it off because toon physics. At the same time, if you come from a universe where it's proven that people have no souls and are just a collection of electrical impulses, no one will be able to soul-fuck you because you don't have one.
And I'm not ignoring anything. Luka, for example, still has the spirits from his universe, but they've lost their connection with their world, and thus are weakened, even if he hasn't had a chance to find that out IC.
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Well, it depends. For example, Rider has lost her connection to Sakura temporarily because they're in a different universe, but I'm not going to massively nerf Sakura (and, by extension, Rider) by having her lose her prana supply.
And, I don't think you can reasonably apply other-universe physics and then complain about people keeping powers that rely on the nature of the universes they come from. They're two sides of the same coin.
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I don't follow. I never complained about anything.
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It looks like mike is using the greater you, as in people in general complaining rather than you specifically Bloble
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Yeah, it would be helpful if the English language still had seperate forms for the singular "you" and the plural "you"....
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Y'all is a perfectly servicable, if crude, substitute. :P
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Hey Bloble: Alignment challenge accepted.
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Just for a point of order I want to applaud Daiki for Shuya earlier. I didn't get to say so before but I was impressed that the demon guy was the only one to get the way to speak to Satoshi (and despite leaving for a smoke he was acknowledged as correct)
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Guys, I'm going to be gone for the next few days at Ohayocon. I probably won't be able to get on much if at all.
Please try to be good.
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Guys, I'm going to be gone for the next few days at Ohayocon. I probably won't be able to get on much if at all.
Please try to be good.
No. Do, or do not.
There is no try in this matter.
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Ok Elf, will you post before heading off? Or if not can Mike, Arch and myself continue the event?
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Oh so Elf is going to be leaving for a few days eh? Well I better get my post up asap then.
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Hey Bloble: Alignment challenge accepted.
It's on.
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And finished I believe this new post is much much better than my last one.
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Sorry for not replying Mil; got a bit caught up with stuff from class and assorted...events in the past few days.
I'll try posting tomorrow.
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No problem, I can't even blame you when posts take even longer than yours.
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE CLASH OF THE ASSASSINS HAS BEGUN! PLACE YOUR BETS!
IN ONE CORNER, THE TERRIFYING MAN OF THE MASK, SHEZAR!
IN THE OTHER CORNER, THE DEMONIC DISPATCHER, RAUL!
WHO WILL SURVIVE THIS CLASH OF SPEED AND BLADES?
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You broke Luka. :(
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You broke Luka. :(
Yay!
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You better watch out Arch, Shezar's gonna backstab you when you least expect it.
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He can try - Blind Sense is one hell of an advantage for a demon.
Of course, it only works within about 10 meters or so, so anyone with a ranged weapon can pretty easily surprise him from behind.
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Rocket Launcher to the face! how's that for a ranged weapon eh? (Though he does love to use smg's as his second main weapon that and his giant bladed shuriken on a rope that I can't remember the name of.
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Just Bruised. So much fun.
Though yeah, a rocket launcher would work.
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I'll wait till tomorrow before I post to see if anyone else wants to get anything in, I think our fight could be considered fast enough so that it moves a little faster than anything else I'm working on. (It is an Assassin battle after all.
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Hmm, Bloble, I see your guy is torturing a vampire "For Science!"
I have a feeling Sakura etc. would be rather squicked-out by the idea....
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It's not even for science. My guy's a hacker. His knowledge of biology is limited to what he learned in school (he was a good student, but still, high school education only). On the other hand, I need to show how EVIIIIIIL he is without kidnapping a PC. Besides, it's good for setting up later encounters. Rumours spreading of a man abducting vampires? Someone's bound to investigate, and chances are that someone will be a player character.
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Why is he experimenting on vampires?
Also, unless he gets hold of Forest or one of our characters, I don't think most of the PCs are going to care about a bunch of vampires going missing. They're not our friends, and the vampires in general don't have a good reputation here. Experimenting on and torturing them is a bit much, yes, but kidnapping them in itself isn't a massive issue unless the vampire being kidnapped is known to the main characters, because the main characters so far have seen little indication that most vampires are anything other than evil.
Sakura would be a little wary of such a broad designation (as would be Rider, but she couldn't give a fuck because Sakura isn't a vampire and nor is any of her family), but I doubt they're going to be bothered enough to risk their lives looking into it given that vampires are mostly ruled by Frost, who is a dick.
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Also the bulk of the vampires you'll find here are probably the Blade type.
As in, UV radiation delivered through technological sources will burn them as readily as the sun.
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Standard artificial lamps don't produce (much) UV light, though. They don't burn hot enough.
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Feel free to kidnap Satoshi Bloble, it's good character moments and plus he's immortal
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Feel free to kidnap Satoshi Bloble, it's good character moments and plus he's immortal
Nice idea, but it wouldn't work. My guy isn't strong enough to pull off something like that with what he has IC, and he doesn't have any cell that could hold Satoshi for longer than a minute. Maybe if it was Taiga or Kiyoshi I'd see it happening, but otherwise it's gonna be difficult.
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Well, kidnapping Kiyoshi and experimenting on him means that Rider will have great fun performing her own experiments about how to cause a ghost the maximum possible amount of pain....
It's not something I'd really want to see happen, though, he's just a kid. Sakura would work better in that respect, honestly, but she could probably also escape.
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I think the hype that Arch spouts has you confused bloble, Satoshi can be caught just like anyone else
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I think the hype that Arch spouts has you confused bloble, Satoshi can be caught just like anyone else
...Dude. It's pretty obvious Satoshi can't be kidnapped unless he wants to be, something you've made obvious multiple times. And I'm pretty sure you've stated it. If he doesn't want to go he's got the strength and abilities to prevent it from happening as pointed out on his fucking character sheet.
Well, kidnapping Kiyoshi and experimenting on him means that Rider will have great fun performing her own experiments about how to cause a ghost the maximum possible amount of pain....
It's not something I'd really want to see happen, though, he's just a kid. Sakura would work better in that respect, honestly, but she could probably also escape.
Lawrence will be right the fuck behind her on that one. The Driver's feeling a little hungry, and this ghost is obviously not something that can be left among the living anymore...
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I think the hype that Arch spouts has you confused bloble, Satoshi can be caught just like anyone else
Sure he can be caught, but I'm pretty sure no normal prison is going to be able to hold him for more than about 5 seconds. Especially with people like Tsukasa about.
I think the hype that Arch spouts has you confused bloble, Satoshi can be caught just like anyone else
...Dude. It's pretty obvious Satoshi can't be kidnapped unless he wants to be, something you've made obvious multiple times. And I'm pretty sure you've stated it. If he doesn't want to go he's got the strength and abilities to prevent it from happening as pointed out on his fucking character sheet.
Well, I don't think it's true that he can't possibly be kidnapped, but I do think you need a rather more powerful character to do so.
Well, kidnapping Kiyoshi and experimenting on him means that Rider will have great fun performing her own experiments about how to cause a ghost the maximum possible amount of pain....
It's not something I'd really want to see happen, though, he's just a kid. Sakura would work better in that respect, honestly, but she could probably also escape.
Lawrence will be right the fuck behind her on that one. The Driver's feeling a little hungry, and this ghost is obviously not something that can be left among the living anymore...
Well, if he kidnaps and experiments on Kiyoshi, he's fucked. Rider is normally held back somewhat by Sakura when it comes to torturing bad guys, but if they've harmed Sakura's children then she's not going to be remotely inclined to protect them....
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First of all Arch it is not stated on his sheet therefore it is pointed out BY his character sheet if you were right, which you aren't.
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Well, first off, I can say based on previous sources that he can't be caught by a surprise attack, since you once stated Raul wouldn't be able to off him like that because Satoshi's contract with the elements would tell him it was coming.
And given his already tremendous fighting power normally, his numerous weapons and other stuff, the rider arm, and how he is shown to react to threats, it's safe to say it is ridiculously difficult to abduct or kidnap him.
Even with magic or a magical trap, it'd be notoriously difficult, because he has Magic Resistance A.
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Yeah, I don't think capturing Satoshi is impossible, but I do think that he is way too powerful for Bloble's character to be able to, and even if he could I don't think he is going to be easy to contain. Rider is the same, I think she's too powerful to be captured and actually holding her prisoner is quite difficult (Satoshi got away with it because she wanted to be his prisoner, if she'd wanted to escape she could have).
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You'd need some strong magic mumbo-jumbo bounded fields or stuff to hold a Servant prisoner anyhow, given they can become immaterial by shifting into spirit form.
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Yolf the point was possible versus impossible.
and as I have said and demonstrated with names and mike I'm willing to work out events and go with the flow when I am asked so Satoshi can be kidnapped easier than you think
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You'd need some strong magic mumbo-jumbo bounded fields or stuff to hold a Servant prisoner anyhow, given they can become immaterial by shifting into spirit form.
Yeah, exactly. And, an anti-magic field would cut her off from her prana supply, which means you'd need another way to give her prana. Plus, even then I think it'd be difficult to do anything more than contain her, since any attempt to interact with her would allow her to fight back (you couldn't use anti-magic devices on her because she is literally made of magic, and thus would die if you did).
Like I said, Satoshi only managed to hold her prisoner because she wanted him to. I don't think he even used reinforced ropes etc., so she could have trivially broken out.
Yolf the point was possible versus impossible.
and as I have said and demonstrated with names and mike I'm willing to work out events and go with the flow when I am asked so Satoshi can be kidnapped easier than you think
As I said, I can't see how Bloble could do it, though. I don't get the impression that his character is overly strong (he needed to get help just to kidnap a generic vampire mook, and I'm pretty sure Satoshi could defeat one of those without even breaking a sweat), and nor does he have any allies on Satoshi's level.
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Yolf the point was possible versus impossible.
and as I have said and demonstrated with names and mike I'm willing to work out events and go with the flow when I am asked so Satoshi can be kidnapped easier than you think
One thing is organizing events with other people's characters and your own. Another is them happening due to forceful contrivance.
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It's not forced yolf
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That should be left to decide after it is written. :V
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At the moment, my guy is weaker than 90% of the PCs. As was said, he needed assistance just to capture an ordinary vampire.
However, that does give me an idea. Bounded fields, huh? Looks like I might need to grab myself a magus.
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I could have Medea help you if you want, her magic might be good enough for this kind of thing.
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Sure. Negotiation would be slightly problematic considering their respective neuroses, but I could see SPOILER reaching out to her. Question is, would she be willing to speak with him?
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Hmm well let's see her main goal at this moment is to make a second grail war, perhaps if she notices your vampire collection going on you could make a deal with her to feed her with vampires that nobody would care about and she would give you the capabilities to capture stronger ones. (They would make excellent prana batteries and so long as no one would care what happened to them then it would lower the amount of attention she could grab doing her normal mana sucking.)
Of course she's prolly remain all shadowy and meeting at her main base would be a big old no but outside of that it doesn't sound to unreasonable.
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Perhaps Yolf but the concept is not forced
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Hmm well let's see her main goal at this moment is to make a second grail war, perhaps if she notices your vampire collection going on you could make a deal with her to feed her with vampires that nobody would care about and she would give you the capabilities to capture stronger ones. (They would make excellent prana batteries and so long as no one would care what happened to them then it would lower the amount of attention she could grab doing her normal mana sucking.)
Of course she's prolly remain all shadowy and meeting at her main base would be a big old no but outside of that it doesn't sound to unreasonable.
Well, that works, but capturing PCs would definitely breach the "no-one cares" rule....
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Perhaps Yolf but the concept is not forced
Saying essentially "my character can't usually be caught, buuuut if you want to make some story happen I can make it easier for him to be caught even though so far restraining him has proven all but impossible", is suggesting something that is forced from conception.
Unless you do an exceptional job writing it. Which, please don't get me wrong, is an effort I'm wary of from your part.
But I digress, and I don't want to be responsible for another page long discussion, so let's close the matter here.
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POST!
Also, if vampires keep disappearing it could create a problem. Not all the vampires here are working for or worshiping Frost for example. There are those who would go to Law Unto Herself for aid.
(Hell, if she found out about it she might go digging herself.)
Also Kenna approved.
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Meet butterfly gangsta.
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Yeah, time to do some shenanigans!
E: How powerful is that binding spell, by the way?
Let's see what happens now.
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Well, all the wards in the compound were created by Wynn herself, with backups from the oldest and most powerful witch in Forest's world. So it packs a punch.
Let's put it this way, it really wouldn't bother Saber, Lancer could shrug it off, but Archer would be bound.
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What about Rider (not that it's likely to be a problem)? She has pretty good Magic Resistance (B, I think).
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Well, all the wards in the compound were created by Wynn herself, with backups from the oldest and most powerful witch in Forest's world. So it packs a punch.
Let's put it this way, it really wouldn't bother Saber, Lancer could shrug it off, but Archer would be bound.
Sweet. Let's do this!
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If anyone's waiting on me, I'm actually waiting on Mooncake before I make my move, so don't worry about me just yet.
And sorry about everything that went down recently. All the drama and related things were eating at me and eating at me and was getting more and more stressful until I finally cracked. ...Again. I think spending time away from the forum helped mitigate the stress and depression a bit, so hopefully it won't happen again, at least on my end.
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Unexpected(?) opponent appears.
Edit: YOLF going chicago, I like.
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Holy shit Daiki did you just kill off everyone but Ryuu?
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What the fuck! Daiki just annihilated his characters!
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What the fuck! Daiki just annihilated his characters!
I know - and Jack's Riding the Wave because the smell of the blood and all the noise and heartbeats and stress is about to set him off again. So hey, if you're gonna frenzy, might as well make it dedicated to obliterating a familiar in a maddened frenzy orgy of bloodlust and violence.
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Actually the question of why is rather important. I mean there's no evident reason for wholesale slaughter
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The same reason Jack went crazy - external stimuli. Shit goes bad sometimes. Shit happens. People die. And is going to try his fucking best to murder the shit out of Ryuu. Because that's better than frenzying in the middle of a room full of people and probably killing a couple of them before they even notice what happened.
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Lucas is the external factor. Ruu is a Familiar close to nature. When what looks like one of its manifestation appeared, he resumed what he's supposed to do initially, protect it. Since Shuya wanted to kill Lucas, Ruu disposed of him. Isa died because she attempted to stop Ruu from protecting him. (He read her thoughts and got rid of the hindrance first) Nessa is collateral damage.
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So why isn't he attacking Shirou?
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He was going to, but a sneaky shapeshifting blood sucker pounced on him before he could reach the very floor where he is.
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Lucas is the external factor. Ruu is a Familiar close to nature. When what looks like one of its manifestation appeared, he resumed what he's supposed to do initially, protect it. Since Shuya wanted to kill Lucas, Ruu disposed of him. Isa died because she attempted to stop Ruu from protecting him. (He read her thoughts and got rid of the hindrance first) Nessa is collateral damage.
Shuya is beyond saving. Nothing short of rewinding the timeline could save him. The Embrace don't work if someone's head is smashed into paste.
The Other Two, if Jack's OK with decending further into inhuman monster territory (As in into 'Dangerously close to snapping and killing everyone in sight every time someone pulls out a knife on him"), are probably savable... if they're willing to lose essentially all magical ability and become Kindred. Of course, this is implying that either Jack or Ryuu survive this
So why isn't he attacking Shirou?
Because currently Jack is in full on Berserker rage and the two are fucking each other up with supernatural power - but Jack's just grabbed Protean 4 and an extra point of blood potency - the repeated frenzies, drainings of vitae, and all that other fun shit accelerated his development of more blood potency.
Basically, Jack's claws at the moment, can sheer through shit that your average FMJ bullet has trouble with. While causing it to rot. And he's in Frenzy, so that's increased as well.
Daiki, really, at this point, one way or another, Ryuu will be either rendered disabled but kill Jack, or Jack will win and kill Ryuu but end up probably devouring whatever warm thing with a pulse he first sees because of all the blood he's spending in this battle.
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Shuya is beyond saving. Nothing short of rewinding the timeline could save him. The Embrace don't work if someone's head is smashed into paste.
I know and that's fine. Just let him rot. While typing this post I was laughing because of how Shuya got Shoruuken'd.
The Other Two, if Jack's OK with decending further into inhuman monster territory (As in into 'Dangerously close to snapping and killing everyone in sight every time someone pulls out a knife on him"), are probably savable... if they're willing to lose essentially all magical ability and become Kindred.
I would say it's up to other PCs at this point, and mainly Jack. They're both deader than dead right now. I wouldn't mind if you decide to make them Jack's childer but I'm not going to go and say 'do it'. It's up to you, and how the others feel about it.
Of course, this is implying that either Jack or Ryuu survive this
I don't see Ruu living that long even if he survives that fight. (Which is unlikely)
Daiki, really, at this point, one way or another, Ryuu will be either rendered disabled but kill Jack, or Jack will win and kill Ryuu but end up probably devouring whatever warm thing with a pulse he first sees because of all the blood he's spending in this battle.
Do what you must.
There are two snacks waiting for him
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Daiki - I'm sorry. Ruu just made the mother of all mistakes.
He made sure his head was both unguarded, and in one place.
Jack is still in many ways, the loser of this fight. Because, let's go through a list of injuries he suffered. Even with Resiliance to keep him held together.
- Broken vertebra
-Majority of his internal organs heavily damaged/liquified
-Both legs broken
-Left arm snapped from escaping crush hold
-4 cracked ribs
-Ruptures in the abdominal wall letting said liquified guts spill out all over the place.
-Bite marks and some minor damage to his teeth due to having to chew through the wrist, and several small bones.
Yeah. Jack, within I'm guessing about ~20 seconds, basically took several mack trucks in head on collisions, and then a little more.
He was roughly 1 box of lethal damage away from rolling into torpor. Holy fuck is Resiliance a life saver.
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Not what I meant arch.
hey Daiki, mind if Satoshi saves Nessa Isa and Shuya?
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Nah, that's good for now.
Will roll other characters regardless of what happens (Embrace or not).
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So wait, you are ok with it or not? That reply is a touch confusing
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Let them be.
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So no then?
well that sucks all the fun out and doesn't make any sense but ok
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No, bringing them back as if nothing had happened after I killed them myself wouldn't make any sense at all. Them be ghost or undead is perfectly viable in the context. On the other hand full out resurrection is out of question.
Few corpses is a good opportunity to see how the other characters react to a situation involving death. That's part of the fun too.
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They are your characters daiki. However this forces me to contrive a reason for my characters not to save them since he can do so.
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How?
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Satoshi can heal anyone so long as brain death has not occurred back to full health. While Shuya has been injured beyond his abilities Isa and nessa are only missing intern organs and therefore can be saved if Satoshi reaches them in time.
Shuya would be a separate event involving a long process and some time travel shenanigans and a lot of help but it's possible.
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Well, I would imagine brain death occurs pretty quickly once you have your heart ripped-out. All that needs to happen is for Toshi to be delayed slightly.
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Purty much. The twins are pretty dead, sadly- the only way I can realistically see them coming back is via the Embrace, by the time anyone actually gets to them it will be far too late. Because the blood loss would be too great, and I see them dying pretty quickly.
And as Mike mentioned, realistically, even if you did somehow miraculously bring back Isa/Nessa's heart (which would make me call BS- Tom too can pull off pretty miraculous healing in true form, as could someone with the right amount of experience with Ruby like Rin, but I highly doubt either could save Isa and Nessa at this point), the brain damage would be too great from the lack of oxygen to her brain. Both twins would likely lose brain functioning, and that's a pretty awful state to bring them back in.
Plus as Daiki himself pretty much showed by doing this in the first place and his own words, he's cool with his characters being dead. He wouldn'tve killed them himself if that wasn't the case. I found it pretty shocking too, but that's Daiki's choice to make in the matter, and that choice should be respected. It does create quite a bit of tension, what with the Ruu and Jack fight, as I genuinely don't know how the fight will turn out (though it seems it's likely to be Jack's win. Poor Ruu, even if he did just kill three people, two innocent).
But don't force healing onto other characters where it's both contrived and unrealistic. It removes any sense of consequence and weight to what just happened, at least to the twins, and I honestly don't think it serves the story well to cheapen the deaths for those whose deaths are not already cheap (and by that, I mean those who can just shrug off death and come back).
...Also, still waiting on Mooncake before I go. ^^" I need an idea of Lucas's current position and how he was affected by both Shirou and the wards before I can move with my characters, particularly Tom.
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Sorry I didn't reply until now. I was actually waiting for Alice until she said she was waiting for me >.>
Welp, time to get to writing.
E: I underestimated how arrogant Lucas is >.>
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Purty much. The twins are pretty dead, sadly- the only way I can realistically see them coming back is via the Embrace, by the time anyone actually gets to them it will be far too late. Because the blood loss would be too great, and I see them dying pretty quickly.
Yeah, I can't imagine you'd live very long from having your heart ripped-out....
And as Mike mentioned, realistically, even if you did somehow miraculously bring back Isa's heart (which would make me call BS- Tom too can pull off pretty miraculous healing in true form, as could someone with the right amount of experience with Ruby like Rin, but I highly doubt either could save Isa and Nessa at this point), the brain damage would be too great from the lack of oxygen to her brain. Both twins would likely lose brain functioning, and that's a pretty awful state to bring them back in.
Yeah, this is true. Even if he could bring them back, they would surely have signficant brain damage.
Plus as Daiki himself pretty much showed by doing this in the first place and his own words, he's cool with his characters being dead. He wouldn'tve killed them himself if that wasn't the case. I found it pretty shocking too, but that's Daiki's choice to make in the matter, and that choice should be respected. It does create quite a bit of tension, what with the Ruu and Jack fight, as I genuinely don't know how the fight will turn out (though it seems it's likely to be Jack's win. Poor Ruu, even if he did just kill three people, two innocent).
But don't force healing onto other characters where it's both contrived and unrealistic. It removes any sense of consequence and weight to what just happened, at least to the twins, and I honestly don't think it serves the story well to cheapen the deaths for those whose deaths are not already cheap.
Well, the issue here isn't so much that Lantz intends to force healing on Daiki as it is that Lantz is complaining about the fact that he has to contrive a reason not to....
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why does everything in this RP have to be made difficult
here's the reason: if he brought them they'd have severe braindamage, like you said
willfully extending people's existences at the price of making them vegetables is a humongous asshole thing to do
nonexistent dilemma solved
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why does everything in this RP have to be made difficult
Because Lantz is too damn inflexible about everything....
here's the reason: if he brought them they'd have severe braindamage, like you said
willfully extending people's existences at the price of making them vegetables is a humongous asshole thing to do
nonexistent dilemma solved
Yeah, I can't imagine them coming back completely unscathed....
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Daiki said no and I never argued. No idea where you get disrespect from. It makes no logical sense names his healing is flawless, kinda the point of the power in the first place.
this incident is a forced failure, I hate writing those because I have no way of having the character beat the odds. It's a scripted failure from start to finish, there's no positive here and any exit I come up with causes shitty outcomes in the aftermath.
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Lucas is virtually unstoppable right now, with the surrounding nature having overgrown to monstrous proportions (special ability activated and all). It'll begin to wear off if the fight drags on for long, though.
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Daiki said no and I never argued. No idea where you get disrespect from. It makes no logical sense names his healing is flawless, kinda the point of the power in the first place.
How does he have that sort of power?
this incident is a forced failure, I hate writing those because I have no way of having the character beat the odds. It's a scripted failure from start to finish, there's no positive here and any exit I come up with causes shitty outcomes in the aftermath.
Well, that is a problem you get when you have a character who won't naturally fail at stuff. You end up having to contrive reasons why he would fail in order to not end up controlling everyone else.
But, right now, even if he gets down there in time, how will he save them? Ruu and Mooncake's character are both attacking everyone, and he won't have long before they're irreversibly brain-damaged.
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Avalon, in canon it is unaffected by the true magics, in other words in this case time. Meaning wound severity doesn't matter except with brain death in the case of others.
Satoshi can walk through basically everything those two can throw and besides they are a bit busy at the moment.
and he does fail, it's just that this one is forced, there's no progression that can make him succeed or fail naturally. The only two ideas I have aren't great resolutions but they are all I have.
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Avalon, in canon it is unaffected by the true magics, in other words in this case time. Meaning wound severity doesn't matter except with brain death in the case of others.
Avalon only works when Saber is around, though. Hence why Shirou couldn't self-heal....
Satoshi can walk through basically everything those two can throw and besides they are a bit busy at the moment.
That seems rather powerful....
and he does fail, it's just that this one is forced, there's no progression that can make him succeed or fail naturally. The only two ideas I have aren't great resolutions but they are all I have.
It's a bit silly to be contriving a failure in this manner. If you really can't fail then why did you even ask? It's absurd to ask someone "do you mind if I do this?" and then complain about not being able to find a way to avoid it when they say "no, don't do it"....
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Sometimes people try to do things and it just doesn't work
and meanwhile progression can eat a bag of dicks
And if it does work flawlessly then it's fucking terrible storytelling
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Names nasu made up avalon's abilities, talk to him.
the point of asking was to be considerate of daiki and to avoid inconsistencies in the powers presented.
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the point of asking was to be considerate of daiki and to avoid inconsistencies in the powers presented.
But in the process of doing so you seem to be being inconsiderate of everyone else....
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I just love how everything is going to shit and blood is flying everywhere and people are dying, and most of this was caused by misunderstandings, or could be peacefully solved by talking.
It's hilarious.
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I just love how everything is going to shit and blood is flying everywhere and people are dying, and most of this was caused by misunderstandings, or could be peacefully solved by talking.
It's hilarious.
Well, it's a bit late for solving it peacefully, at least where Ruu is concerned....
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Well, it could have been solved peacefully by talking.
Not anymore though! 8D
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Names nasu made up avalon's abilities, talk to him.
And Shirou manages to die just fine
not flawless, there ya go
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Post! ...A rather shitty one in my opinion, but hopefully it works. ...Also, now I have to edit Tom's sheet soon.
And well... Honestly, I don't see how Toshi could heal them with Avalon at this point, assuming he could even remotely rip the sheath out of his body in time. They'd already be gone from the blood loss alone. Plus as Nachos pointed out, Shirou has died just fine even with Avalon active.
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By the way, can you guys please wait for me to get a post done before you continue any further? Otherwise I'm going to have another impossible situation where I can't post because everything has happened before I get the chance to react to it and I'm stuck scrambling for an excuse.
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Sure, I'm fine with waiting. ...Though I'm hardly the one to say it, considering I just went. :P Might give me time to make that post less shitty too in the meantime, possibly. ^^"
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Gotta post fast, sonic
I think I'll be rejoining soon, actually. I have a character in mind, a sap who can't truly die, who routinely enters other continuities and who kills daemons, stronk mythological baddies, dragons and even gods, and who performs literal miracles routinely. He's also so strong and has so much endurance he can wear his heavy armor with little to no penalty to his speed, and can wield immensely huge weapons to great effect and damage. He's also an incredibly capable user of fire magic, who can set fire to just about everything and its mother.
I'll make a sheet later. For now, got class to get to.
(try to guess who he is)
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I'm fine with waiting too. Gives me more time to come up with a response :)
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Gotta post fast, sonic
I think I'll be rejoining soon, actually. I have a character in mind, a sap who can't truly die, who routinely enters other continuities and who kills daemons, stronk mythological baddies, dragons and even gods, and who performs literal miracles routinely. He's also so strong and has so much endurance he can wear his heavy armor with little to no penalty to his speed, and can wield immensely huge weapons to great effect and damage. He's also an incredibly capable user of fire magic, who can set fire to just about everything and its mother.
I'll make a sheet later. For now, got class to get to.
(try to guess who he is)
Your average Elder Scrolls protagonist with save scumming?
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I was going to guess the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Dragonborn specifically, but what Aiden said sounds about right.
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So reading this correctly did someone just get summoned by Gabriel right when he's about to be ambushed by Downy?
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Names nasu made up avalon's abilities, talk to him.
the point of asking was to be considerate of daiki and to avoid inconsistencies in the powers presented.
Avalon has NEVER worked without Saber nearby. The only time you could say it didn't was when Kiritsugu implanted it inside Shirou, but even then, I'm pretty sure Urobutcher and Nasu said "Trace amounts of her prana" or some shit allowed it to work, at least just long enough on Shirou. In other words, if Saber is nowhere nearby, it doesn't fucking work. Avalon is useless in this situation. And at this point, yeah. Brain damage or death would be setting in if you used Avalon.... or more accurately, they're both already medically dead. Avalon won't heal that.
Daiki, Van might be brought back, I'm flipping a coin on that one. Otherwise, Shuya's too far gone to bring back. Whatever Van does after the embrace is up to you, but Jack won't be embracing Isa. He'd end up on the fast track to becoming a Draugr if he did so.
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Alice don't go adding that to my description of him healing others, it doesn't work that way.
Arch he's her son, she's always present, no I'm not debating, I'm telling you how it works.
nice idea names but sorry big difference between Shirou and this.
in short please stop trying to override the way my characters work guys. It's not your business to determine that, it's mine. Thank you
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I'm sorry but some "oh she's always with him.... in spirit. Awwwwwwww <3" explanation doesn't really work that well to justify why Avalon works lantz. xD
Unless you meant it works because he's Arturia's biological son. And even that is doubtful. Hell, it would be easier to believe if you just said the Lady Of The Lake offered Avalon (the sheath) to him after Arturia came back from Avalon (the place), cause the latter thing apparently happened in the backstory of Satoshi's world, if I recall correctly?
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Elder scrolls protags with save scum? Hadn't even crossed my mind, really. I guess, if I think about it more, it does fit the description...
Though I'm talking about a more in-game story "can't die" thing. And killing real gods, not daedric lords or the dragon god's brother. And in-game continuity crossing.
Hint: the continuity crossing is the multiplayer.
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Even if he is the biological son of Saber, the thing with Avalon still shouldn't work. It needs Saber specifically to work, otherwise you're just fucking with canon for no other reason than to make your Sue awesome. Who am I kidding, you've already done that, but this is one of those non-negotiable facts here Lantz - Avalon doesn't work without Saber. Otherwise it isn't the Nasuverse. For that matter, while Avalon can heal fatal wounds, there's a difference between fatal wounds, and bringing the dead back to life.
Isabella is without a doubt dead. Her heart was ripped out, and her own death killed Van. Avalon can't heal that. Not now.
Elder scrolls protags with save scum? Hadn't even crossed my mind, really. I guess, if I think about it more, it does fit the description...
Though I'm talking about a more in-game story "can't die" thing. And killing real gods, not daedric lords or the dragon god's brother. And in-game continuity crossing.
Hint: the continuity crossing is the multiplayer.
...OH GOD YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE PROTAGONIST FROM DARK SOULS!
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Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
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No, he doesn't, but explaining why Satoshi can use Avalon in a manner that seemingly violates canon would make people less inclined to call bullshit on it....
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Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
Guess what? For some reason, you seem to have thrown out all the canon of the Nasuverse. You should just publish 'Of Swords and Sorcery' as original fiction because you're basically taking nothing from the setting if this basic fucking rule is ignored.
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Daiki, Van might be brought back, I'm flipping a coin on that one. Otherwise, Shuya's too far gone to bring back. Whatever Van does after the embrace is up to you, but Jack won't be embracing Isa. He'd end up on the fast track to becoming a Draugr if he did so.
Why is it OK for him to embrace Nessa but not Isa?
Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
Guess what? For some reason, you seem to have thrown out all the canon of the Nasuverse. You should just publish 'Of Swords and Sorcery' as original fiction because you're basically taking nothing from the setting if this basic fucking rule is ignored.
Arch, calm down....
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...OH GOD YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE PROTAGONIST FROM DARK SOULS!
One VERY SPECIFIC iteration of the protagonist from dark souls.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vr7Zkvc.jpg?1)
(Okay so I lied about the miracles, so sue me)
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Daiki, Van might be brought back, I'm flipping a coin on that one. Otherwise, Shuya's too far gone to bring back. Whatever Van does after the embrace is up to you, but Jack won't be embracing Isa. He'd end up on the fast track to becoming a Draugr if he did so.
Why is it OK for him to embrace Nessa but not Isa?
Guess what arch? You have no say in how I do things. Deal with it
Guess what? For some reason, you seem to have thrown out all the canon of the Nasuverse. You should just publish 'Of Swords and Sorcery' as original fiction because you're basically taking nothing from the setting if this basic fucking rule is ignored.
Arch, calm down....
Here's why - embracing both of them will probably send him into a spiral at the end of which is becoming a Draugr. The Embrace immediately severs a chunk of his humanity from him, and he's already lost some here. If it's acceptable to embrace the pair of them, then that opens a can of worms morality wise for him.
Hence why I'm not embracing either (Blame the coin), because honestly if Daiki wants his characters to stay dead, he has that right.
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Yes mike it would. Short answer it's part of his legend and no longer needs saber because it's his for real and not borrowed. The actual how he got the sheathe is a story for another time. But that's as much as I'll say as long as Arch chooses to act as he does
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Again. They're dead. Brain dead. And if not, the brain damage to Isa and Van pretty much dictates he'd heal them into being vegetables.
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Unless he's the lady of the lake it's still super questionable
and if he is it's also questionable, though less because crossdressing
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Yet again arch you don't decide how my characters and their powers work.
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No, but they still should fit with canon.
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ok, let's make this simpler:
Does his healing involve rewinding time?
If so fix to 100% is possible.
If not, even if he fixes the brain back to 100%, what's been lost has been lost anyway, and all they have is free space.
science
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Sure, but I'm pretty sure that science also says you can't transfer someone's soul into a doll body and have it work like normal....
As far as I can tell, in the Nasuverse as long as your soul is attached to the body it is possible for magic to heal you fully. Certainly Shirou seems perfectly fine post-HF, despite his mind being practically destroyed by Archer's arm.
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Ilya true magic bullshit
magecraft can do what science can do(sorta), true magic can do what science can't
Science cannot fix brains to the exact state of BEFORE they were damaged
ergo science
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If the soul is present then full heal, simple as that names, brain death marks the soul's exit from the body, end of story.
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Ilya true magic bullshit
magecraft can do what science can do(sorta), true magic can do what science can't
Science cannot fix brains to the exact state of BEFORE they were damaged
ergo science
The problem with that argument is that science also isn't capable of regenerating someone's heart or producing weapons out of thin air. I don't think it's quite as simple as "magecraft can't heal brain damage", although the fact that Rin's mum is never healed is some indication that something odd is going on there.
Plus, in any case, Avalon is on the same level as True Magic. It does stuff that magecraft cannot reproduce.
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The problem with that argument is that science also isn't capable of regenerating someone's heart or producing weapons out of thin air. I don't think it's quite as simple as "magecraft can't heal brain damage", although the fact that Rin's mum is never healed is some indication that something odd is going on there.
Plus, in any case, Avalon is on the same level as True Magic. It does stuff that magecraft cannot reproduce.
If we wanna be reaaaally technical here:
You could "regenerate" a person's "missing organ" through a "process" called "transplant".
Similarly, while Shirou's "skill" of "making stuff out of thin air" is an oddity (and pointed out as such in-story), the base process of "create an object" is still there and science-doable; it's just the method that's not.
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You could "regenerate" a person's "missing organ" through a "process" called "transplant".
Erm, no, you can't. That's not regenerating their organ, that's sticking a completely different organ in there which happens to work just as well.
In a similar manner, you could theoretically perform a brain transplant (certainly with infinite time to design the equipment, anyway). It would just be somewhat pointless and extremely unethical (as well as most likely not working for any length of time, because if your immune system starts attacking your brain you're fucked...).
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So uh Gabriel Servant kinda important for my side of things eh?
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So uh Gabriel Servant kinda important for my side of things eh?
Technically, Gabriel couldn't even summon a Servant nor could he provide one with Prana because you know, he negates magic.
Mordred just showed up, looked between him and Angel and decided because Gabe's TEH SEXXORS that he's the one who should be her Master. Even though, if she truly is a Servant, theoretically Gabriel fucking her would kill her. However though, physically, Mordred is pretty much Angel's type: Tiny, adorable kick ass blond.
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Oh boy, that should prove fun. Just don't call her a girl, Angel. 8P
Gangsta butterfly man approved, Elf?
Also, Lady Umbra said she was looking for a shot of absinthe, didn't she? If you feel like it, I'm pretty sure a certain 900 year old specter and a completely different kind of Fae are both still at the latter's bar. :>
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OPOI, Tom grabbed Lucas with telekinesis before he could strike at MoS Shirou.
Honestly, that really makes me worry. Was my post really that terrible? Honestly, if you guys think any of my posts suck that much, or if you're ignoring me because of what happened earlier, you should say something...
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Oi, ease up on the self-deprecation there Alice, OPOI probably just missed it.
I think your posts so far have been pretty good, so don't worry too much about that. :>
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Waiting on you and elf mike.
Given the situation I can't see Isa and nessa becoming vampires though
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Oi, ease up on the self-deprecation there Alice, OPOI probably just missed it.
I think your posts so far have been pretty good, so don't worry too much about that. :>
Sorry, it's a bad habit of mine. ^^" I think it's a major flaw of mine really- instead of doing anything productive, I spend my time fretting on how badly I think I messed something up or how I have this really cool idea but worry too much about how I think I'll mess it up. ...I really need to stop doing that.
And I was also probably too harsh on OPOI there, so I apologize for that too. Sorry about that OPOI, especially since you can't be on too often as it is. :(
And aww, thank you! :D Hopefully I can keep that up. :)
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Honestly, that really makes me worry. Was my post really that terrible? Honestly, if you guys think any of my posts suck that much, or if you're ignoring me because of what happened earlier, you should say something...
They're not ignoring you, although the post could perhaps be a little clearer on what exactly is going on. It's just easy to miss things like that in a bunch of posts.
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Waiting on you and elf mike.
Given the situation I can't see Isa and nessa becoming vampires though
I've sort of decided not to turn them anyway, but Van's getting drained. She's dead, but she's still warm and full of blood.
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I don't know that your vampire could manage that arch, he'll have to beat Satoshi and last I checked Satoshi was at full power and jack was kinda nearly dead
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I don't think Satoshi is even going to be in the room by the time he does it. Plus, why would he even care? She's already dead, surely it's better for him to feed on her than on a living person.
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Desecrating the dead is forgivable if it saves your life or unlife.
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Free Snacks for ya, Jack.
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Sanctity of life mike, and given that Satoshi isn't fighting ruu as Jack was he has plenty of time to get there before his vampire
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But the girl is dead, and Jack needs to feed somehow.
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Oh boy, that should prove fun. Just don't call her a girl, Angel. 8P
Gangsta butterfly man approved, Elf?
Also, Lady Umbra said she was looking for a shot of absinthe, didn't she? If you feel like it, I'm pretty sure a certain 900 year old specter and a completely different kind of Fae are both still at the latter's bar. :>
The MONARCH has been approved.
. . . You know, every time you post with him I'm going to hear him with that voice, right? You know, from "Venture Brothers"?
That's also where Wynn's probably headed. You know, she would be a kick ass Master for a Servant because of ungodly Faerie magical reserves. And she'd probably want to molest Mordred, because Wynn likes blond girls. Hell if Saber showed up, she'd want to molest her too. It's a Faerie thing.
Also, I'm waiting for Mike to post before I do, to be nice.
Also, I agree with Mike. Nessa is an ex-twin and waste not, want not.
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Not Satoshi's problem mike. She's dead, the dead can't consent means they're off limits
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The MONARCH has been approved.
. . . You know, every time you post with him I'm going to hear him with that voice, right? You know, from "Venture Brothers"?
Believe it or not, that was completely unintentional. I will, however, put the effort to make him spew out dramatic monologues when he's not preoccupied with shooting the hell out of something.
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Also, I'm waiting for Mike to post before I do, to be nice.
Yeah, working on it now.
Not Satoshi's problem mike. She's dead, the dead can't consent means they're off limits
She's dead. All she is is a lump of flesh, essentially. It is no more sensible to ask for her consent than it is to ask for consent from a lump of wood.
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That's a fairly sterile way of looking at it mike
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it's also true. I'd incinerate a mountain of dead bodies without a second thought if it was to possibly save the life of a single hobo
that's how little they're worth, outside of emotional attachments which don't actually exist since this is an RP and no one knows anyone
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That's a fairly sterile way of looking at it mike
It is somewhat, yes, and treating a body with some level of respect is not a bad thing.
However, ultimately living (or even undead) people come first. If desecrating a corpse will save a life (either Jack's or whoever Jack will otherwise end up attacking) then it is an absolute no-brainer.
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Sorry mike, Bloble, that doesn't wash with Satoshi, it's not who he is
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Hey, it's cool Alice. Your post wasn't bad (I'm not so great myself). Don't worry about it :D
I was moving pretty fast though, so I probably would have reached OPOI before Tom could use his telekinesis... eh.
Writing my post, but I'll wait for mike like he asked :)
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Thank you. :D And you're doing more than fine so far, trust me. :)
And yeah, that's reasonable. :) Physical god or not, Tom still has to account for speed, and considering the rate Lucas was going, Tom probably wouldn'tve been able to catch him quite before MoS Shirou retaliated. So yeah, I probably overreacted a bit there. ^^"
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Sorry mike, Bloble, that doesn't wash with Satoshi, it's not who he is
That's about as sensible as taking an organ from her without her consent( minus having to open the body). Sure, that's not really respectful, but it's always better than having Jack feed on some living person. Most Vampires, regardless of morals, wouldn't hesitate to indulge in. Besides, denying Jack his meal, when he is in that state, is likely to lead him to final death.
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Sorry mike, Bloble, that doesn't wash with Satoshi, it's not who he is
So he'd rather that Jack die than that a corpse get drained of blood?
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Not quite mike, regardless of the solution found he can't let the dead be defiled
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Also, as people have mentioned, Jack feeding on the corpse keeps him from draining someone to death and potentially creating something even worse from the person he kills in his weakened, frenzied state. Is Toshi more willing to risk someone dying rather than just let the vampire feed on a corpse? Are the dead more valuable than the living as far as Toshi's concerned?
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Not quite mike, regardless of the solution found he can't let the dead be defiled
So he'd rather let someone die than defile a corpse?
What the hell is wrong with him?
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So, would he allow Jack to open his veins then?
I mean, since Toshi doesn't want him to feed off of the dead, having Jack in that state means he might go after someone else. The sensible thing, especially since he has Avalon and Wolverine like regeneration, would be to open up a vein for the vampire. Would he be willing to do that?
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You know, she would be a kick ass Master for a Servant because of ungodly Faerie magical reserves. And she'd probably want to molest Mordred, because Wynn likes blond girls. Hell if Saber showed up, she'd want to molest her too. It's a Faerie thing.
Mordred being with an experienced person would probably be cute. Even more so when she doesn't like to be acknowledged as a woman. (Well, the simple mention of gender made her quite mad)
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You'll have to give me a moment to process all the new events that have been going on, gotta at least try to not act kinda dumb when posting after all lol.
Also Bloble did you want to do those interactions with Medea still?
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It is the sanctity of the soul Alice, there's a serious spiritual component here. Satoshi believes that defiling the dead goes beyond the acceptable limit.
in theory elf, no direct contact though
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My guy has nothing useful to offer other than one vamp, loads of money, and a bunch of secret bases. You think Medea would be interested, Mil?
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OK.
Lantz, if draining the dead of blood is defiling the dead, then every single embalmer in the western world is guilty of it, and Satoshi should kill them all for it.
Really, the living's needs outweigh the needs of the dead. It's why cannibalism in survival scenarios is considered acceptable.
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It is the sanctity of the soul Alice, there's a serious spiritual component here. Satoshi believes that defiling the dead goes beyond the acceptable limit.
But the soul has already gone. The body is nothing more than a lump of flesh.
in theory elf, no direct contact though
What?
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It is the sanctity of the soul Alice, there's a serious spiritual component here. Satoshi believes that defiling the dead goes beyond the acceptable limit.
in theory elf, no direct contact though
What about filling a tank (or any large enough recipient really) of Satoshi premium for him?
My guy has nothing useful to offer other than one vamp, loads of money, and a bunch of secret bases. You think Medea would be interested, Mil?
I would say if one of these bases have a quality leyline, it's perfectly viable.
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Sterile thinking doesn't apply mike, no arch your embalming example is flawed at best
Edit: it's called a blood bag daiki and only enough to let him live given what his blood does to vampires
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Mordred being with an experienced person would probably be cute. Even more so when she doesn't like to be acknowledged as a woman. (Well, the simple mention of gender made her quite mad)
Which Wynn will have to show her how powerful her gender truly is.
"My dear knight, being a woman is a far grander thing than being a man."
Then again both Seelie and Unseelie courts are Matriarchal so there you have it.
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Sterile thinking doesn't apply mike
I can understand where you're coming from, but when someone's life is on the line, that is more important.
no arch your embalming example is flawed at best
It is a very flawed example, yes. The cannibalism example, on the other hand, is a very good example of this sort of situation....
Edit: it's called a blood bag daiki and only enough to let him live given what his blood does to vampires
What?
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No, because it's the exact same thing. It's taking the body, and draining it of blood. You could argue that what embalmers do is worse than what Jack is planning to do, as that blood drained out has no use, and isn't used. If you're saying "ITS ABOUT THE SOUL" then by Nasu Rules, their souls are already gone. Recycled. So that issue doesn't apply either.
Basically you're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick about this. For that matter, a blood pack will be no where NEAR the amount of blood Jack needs to recover.
Mordred being with an experienced person would probably be cute. Even more so when she doesn't like to be acknowledged as a woman. (Well, the simple mention of gender made her quite mad)
Which Wynn will have to show her how powerful her gender truly is.
"My dear knight, being a woman is a far grander thing than being a man."
Then again both Seelie and Unseelie courts are Matriarchal so there you have it.
I have the strangest feeling that showing her the power of her gender will involve tentacles.
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No arch, this is a character point, the dead remain pure, defiling the dead is wrong. As I said he can get blood elsewhere
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As I said he can get blood elsewhere
He can, yes, by attacking a living person. He's in no state to go around asking for donations.
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Well, Satoshi can always go insist with extreme prejudice that Jack feed elsewhere, and someone else can point out to him it's probably not a good idea to prevent him from feeding since the person is already dead, as opposed to possibly hurting someone else.
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Sterile thinking doesn't apply mike, no arch your embalming example is flawed at best
Edit: it's called a blood bag daiki and only enough to let him live given what his blood does to vampires
What does his blood do to them?
I know what a blood bag is, thanks. It's just not even near enough to what he needs right now. He has so much damage that he's one step from torpor. So, he has to burn vitae in order to restore his body that AND he was already craving for blood beforehand. So lots of blood is required, hence the tank/recipient suggestion.
Which Wynn will have to show her how powerful her gender truly is.
"My dear knight, being a woman is a far grander thing than being a man."
Then again both Seelie and Unseelie courts are Matriarchal so there you have it.
I have the strangest feeling that showing her the power of her gender will involve tentacles.
And now you ruined it, Arch.
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No arch, this is a character point, the dead remain pure, defiling the dead is wrong. As I said he can get blood elsewhere
If it's a character point it's a fucking stupid character point. It's also a hypocritcal character point - if the living and life are so important to him, letting the dead suffer an indignity so the living can keep their lives should be acceptable. To say otherwise is being a hypocritical douchebag.
Which Wynn will have to show her how powerful her gender truly is.
"My dear knight, being a woman is a far grander thing than being a man."
Then again both Seelie and Unseelie courts are Matriarchal so there you have it.
I have the strangest feeling that showing her the power of her gender will involve tentacles.
And now you ruined it, Arch.
Or made it better. I never specified what type of tentacles were involved.
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Wow, Satoshi is quite the unreasonable zealot.
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So, Alice, we're going with OPOI's version, right?
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Waiting on you elf.
sorry guys Satoshi can be convinced of a lot but this is something that he won't bend on, he doesn't hold being a vampire against jack that's why he could give him blood
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Well, right now Jack needs blood urgently. Unless Satoshi has an alternative then denying him the ability to feed from Nessa's corpse is as good as killing him or, even worse, causing him to attack and feed off (probably fatally) a living person instead.
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To Bloble: Though you can't offer much you'd be useful for the fact that Medea could use you as basically a pawn so that people aren't as likely to catch onto her tail and if they do get suspicious then she could give you one of those mind alarms that causes you to "take care" of said person asap. (I could of course be nice enough to leave out the killing yourself part after.)
The vampire would just be a front to help hide suspicion that she's not doing all this for free after all.
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So, Alice, we're going with OPOI's version, right?
Yeah, I'm fine with that- especially since OPOI can't get on that often anyway, it's probably for the best. :)
And back to the lantz thing, I'm really not getting how Jack draining blood defiles the dead. Really, I don't. Like I think someone already mentioned, it's like saying that having organs removed for donation is defiling the dead. Why is this a defilement exactly? It's actually milder than what would happen in nature anyway, really, if this would have happened outside. Trust me, scavengers go after a dead body fast, and it's not a pretty thing to see (Forensics class! We got to see body farm videos! Somehow I got through without fainting or vomiting!).
Plus, again, living vs the dead. Better to have a corpse have bite marks on it than to have an innocent die and possibly become a mindless monster, depending on how low Jack rolls on that.
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Elf already pointed out the alternative mike, it's Satoshi's blood . It makes vampires drunk effectively and gives them a lot of strength, that's why the minimum is ideal
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Jack is a tap to the face away from falling into torpor. No matter how strong Satoshi's blood is, he's going to need more than just a few drops.
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Wow, he really is a totally unlikeable hypocrite douchebag isn't he? Seriously, the guy seems to have morals that contradict each other left and right.
Well, right now Jack needs blood urgently. Unless Satoshi has an alternative then denying him the ability to feed from Nessa's corpse is as good as killing him or, even worse, causing him to attack and feed off (probably fatally) a living person instead.
To heal fullly, he needs roughly 4 bodies worth of blood. To get at least out of the lethal damage range, he needs two. To then get to the point where he's not risking hunger frenzy, he needs another. So he roughly needs 5 bodies worth of blood to even get to a point where he's not in danger of frenzying and is fully healed.
He could feed non lethally, but then he'd need even MORE donors.
Jack is a tap to the face away from falling into torpor. No matter how strong Satoshi's blood is, he's going to need more than just a few drops.
Yeah. You can have more potent vitae, but holy shit are you going to cause a hunger frenzy for him. He needs a fucking LOAD of blood no matter what way you look at it.
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A litre in this case would be more than enough
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Elf already pointed out the alternative mike, it's Satoshi's blood . It makes vampires drunk effectively and gives them a lot of strength, that's why the minimum is ideal
The problem is that right now Jack needs a lot of blood. I'm sure Toshi can cope, but he's not going to be able to just keep it to a minimum.
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A litre in this case would be more than enough
No, it wouldn't. It isn't even close.
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To Bloble: Though you can't offer much you'd be useful for the fact that Medea could use you as basically a pawn so that people aren't as likely to catch onto her tail and if they do get suspicious then she could give you one of those mind alarms that causes you to "take care" of said person asap. (I could of course be nice enough to leave out the killing yourself part after.)
The vampire would just be a front to help hide suspicion that she's not doing all this for free after all.
Sure. I'll justify it on my end as SPOILER seeing an interesting lady flying above the city and deciding to have a chat with her.
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A litre in this case would be more than enough
No, it wouldn't. It isn't even close.
Well, it depends on how potent Toshi's blood is and what exactly it is that Jack needs.
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The difference between himself and a human is about one hundred times in the case of his blood, he's a dragon, it's no slouch power wise. A litre ought to be the equal of let's see haven't done conversions in awhile what four quarts of blood in the human body?
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OK. You seem to not get how this works.
Vitae isn't a definate amount - it's life energy, pure and simple. It's contained in the blood. So Jack when he drinks blood, is drinking life. I doubt that Toshi's life is worth that of 100 people.
And besides, if it gets him drunk, you won't be able to get Jack to STOP DRINKING YOU FUCKING MORON.
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So, Alice, we're going with OPOI's version, right?
Oh damn sorry Alice. Completely missed Tom's bit.
I kinda just saw mooncake saying his claw was next to Shirou's face and started writing...
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Nah, it's fine. :) It's my bad really for making my post into big, clunky paragraphs this round, so it was probably easy to miss. ^^" Plus it happens. :)
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Arch, you could always have your way with a bunch of too curious for their own good NPCs because nobody cares about redshirts. Plants growing out of proportions sure will gather attention.
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Arch, you could always have your way with a bunch of too curious for their own good NPCs because nobody cares about redshirts. Plants growing out of proportions sure will gather attention.
I could, but that'd be worse for everyone involved me thinks, and piss off everyone in the house MORE than feeding off a corpse would.
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In hindsight, Jack'd probably get enough power to heal and fill up his reserve from less than a litre of Satoshi's blood, given he's a dragon, kinda.
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YOLF is right, besides that he's 2000 years old. I would think the life force therein would be plenty
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Arch, you could always have your way with a bunch of too curious for their own good NPCs because nobody cares about redshirts. Plants growing out of proportions sure will gather attention.
I could, but that'd be worse for everyone involved me thinks, and piss off everyone in the house MORE than feeding off a corpse would.
I know but we don't seem to go anywhere for now.
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To Bloble: Make it that Black Shadowy thing she does that one time in the Fate route that's similar to Lancelot's disguise ability and we are good.
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Arch, you could always have your way with a bunch of too curious for their own good NPCs because nobody cares about redshirts. Plants growing out of proportions sure will gather attention.
I could, but that'd be worse for everyone involved me thinks, and piss off everyone in the house MORE than feeding off a corpse would.
I know but we don't seem to go anywhere for now.
Which is why I'm just feeding on the corpse and Ignoring Suetoshi's existance as Elf suggested.
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Time wise you can't succeed arch, you fought ruu and that's taking up a decent chunk of time
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Time wise you can't succeed arch, you fought ruu and that's taking up a decent chunk of time
Actually, that probably took... 50 seconds or so. Probably less. You've never been in a fist fight have you Lantz?
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More then enough time to get to the bodies since he has nothing stopping him while your vampire is hung up.
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Lucas would be slowing him down because you'd have to deal with him you idiot.
EDIT: For that matter, Posst already done. GG.
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Utter bullshit, you cheated arch plain and simple.
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1) There's no reason for Satoshi to know there's a corpse in the garage unless he has magical dead people finding powers, something that isn't on his sheet.
2) Even if he did, LUCAS, THE IMMEDIATE THREAT, IS RIGHT FUCKING THERE
3) In that time frame, it's not impossible for Jack to get to Van's body first.
4) You never posted in time. You snooze you lose. In your own words: Deal with it.
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Turn skipping is cheating arch, I actively stated I had to wait for two people. You are a disrespectful cheater.
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Different time scales dumbshit. Just because you're having to deal with something that, realistically, would take 4 minutes or so at least, I get to do something you can't react to in under 4 minutes.
Welcome to life Lantz. It ain't fair, and you don't always get your way.
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To Bloble: Make it that Black Shadowy thing she does that one time in the Fate route that's similar to Lancelot's disguise ability and we are good.
Imma need a link here. Can't remember what you're talking about.
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Luckily if there is one thing I can remember it's all things Caster here ya go: http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%2089/ (http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%2089/)
Just scroll down a little and you'll find it.
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Arch: I think you should have at least waited for Lantz to make a post, honestly, if only for the sake of fairness.
Lantz: I think it would have been pretty unrealistic for your next post to allow you to get out and stop him drinking the blood when you have Rider and Forest to talk to, so I don't see how Magos not waiting really made much difference here. As he said, timescales in this RP don't always work perfectly, so you can't really pull the "it would take you a long time to get there" argument. Hell, if we are all working to the same time scale Satoshi shouldn't even be there, he should still be back in his castle domming Rider.
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It's cheating as far as I'm concerned mike, end of story.
my characters won't be happy about this at any rate
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Honestly, I don't think Jack looks particularly great from where we're coming from. We walk into the room and see two people with their head torn off, one with their heart missing and one drained of blood, and Jack as the only one standing. It's not exactly difficult to come to the conclusion that Jack killed Nessa, and possibly the others too.
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Isa is Upstairs. Ruu is outside. And yeah, this won't make Jack look the best.
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Isa is Upstairs. Ruu is outside.
Ah, OK.
And yeah, this won't make Jack look the best.
Yeah, definitely.
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"She was already dead when I got here" isn't the best excuse, though the truth rarely is. On the upside though, draining her dry is the first step to an Embrace.
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Yeah, I don't think Toshi in particular has much reason to believe him. Rider might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, although if she thinks he killed Isa she'll be more upset.
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It's possible the misunderstanding could be averted if either one of the psychics shows up (though if it's Tom, people might have to come to grips with his... *cough,* makeover first). Especially Forest. Though that assumes one of them shows up in time to stop a fight from happening between Jack and whoever tries to pick a fight with him over Vanessa being drained.
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If Suetoshi attacks someone better get involved FAST because Jack's in no state to defend himself from such overpowered bullshit wank that I know Lantz will throw his way.
Yeah, I don't think Toshi in particular has much reason to believe him. Rider might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, although if she thinks he killed Isa she'll be more upset.
He can prove he didn't kill Isa though - He doesn't have any blood on his hands. Ruu didn't exactly bleed.
It's possible the misunderstanding could be averted if either one of the psychics shows up (though if it's Tom, people might have to come to grips with his... *cough,* makeover first). Especially Forest. Though that assumes one of them shows up in time to stop a fight from happening between Jack and whoever tries to pick a fight with him over Vanessa being drained.
Hopefully Forest, but I'm doubting that Suetoshi will stop even for her because "DERP DISRESPECTING THE DEAD!!?!?! MUST KILL HIM THEN GO SEX ALL THE WIMMINZ"
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desecrating the dead ain't ok to save lives, what the fuck if he defends this and it risks another person's life he's outright antagonistic and good guys should be fightan him to save a life
crazy frakking pseudo-lich
right I have a sheet to make brb
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Whatever Arch, you cheated and your character is acting outside the bounds of basic human decency, you went loud with Raul and avoided the consequences there, if your vampire dies then he deserves it as far as I'm concerned. He's a villainous monster who has defiled the dead, end of story
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Honestly, I would argue that Toshi is the more monstrous one here, if he truly thinks that the dead have far more value than the living. Because risking the lives of innocents just so a corpse isn't damaged is clearly the more moral option here.
BTW, updated Tom's character sheet somewhat. ...The spoiler tags are more out of embarrassment than anything. ^^"
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Whatever Arch, you cheated and your character is acting outside the bounds of basic human decency, you went loud with Raul and avoided the consequences there, if your vampire dies then he deserves it as far as I'm concerned. He's a villainous monster who has defiled the dead, end of story
As pretty much everyone else has stated, he has not acted outside "basic human decency". Whilst most people do find the idea of desecrating a dead body somewhat distasteful, they generally do not consider someone doing so in order to save their own life (as Jack did here) as wrong, hence why the response to people resorting to cannibalism in order to remain alive is "isn't it awful that they were forced to that point" rather than "God, what a bunch of assholes".
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Jack is a monster, you can think whatever you like Alice but I don't care, it's wrong end of story.
I wasn't going to kill his vampire, he brought that up, but frankly there's no reason not to after what he already did before anyway
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Jack is a monster, you can think whatever you like Alice but I don't care, it's wrong end of story.
It's not just Alice, though, everyone else is saying that they don't think he did anything wrong given the context. You are, of course, fully entitled to your own opinion, but you can't expect everyone else to follow it, and nor do you have the right to impose that belief on everyone else, any more than the church has the right to impose its belief that homosexuality is wrong on everyone else.
I wasn't going to kill his vampire, he brought that up, but frankly there's no reason not to after what he already did before anyway
Well, it makes sense given the context for him to attack Jack, but if Forest explains what happened then it becomes much less justifiable.
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Funny, considering Raul never went loud because you and Mike complained so much about it.
And yes, Jack is a monster, that's what a fucking vampire is. Do you honestly think that Jack acts human because he's a nice guy, or because that's what he's used to acting like? Or is there a grey ground between the two, and is Jack starting to slide more to the monstrous side of the equation? For that matter, really, Jack's desecration is little worse than that of an embalmer, or a medical student. He's just feeding. He could be feeding off a gaggle of NPC's that have showed up but to him that's crossing a line in the sand, because no matter what he's had happen to him, he's tried (And through lots of luck succeeded) at not killing when he feeds.
If Satoshi thinks that feeding from the dead is worse than feeding from the living, then for all his talk of 'Vampire Friends' he's really a fucking enormous hypocritical asshole with a morality more akin to that of a despot than that of any sort of hero.
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Arch I don't care what you think. As usual you're just screwing me over and accusing me of shit I never intended to do. Seriously in the future I do not wish to RP with you period. In other words stay way from my characters.
Mike I don't care, I'm just waiting on elf then my characters will react as they are right to do and act as they should given the circumstances.
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Arch I don't care what you think. As usual you're just screwing me over and accusing me of shit I never intended to do. Seriously in the future I do not wish to RP with you period. In other words stay way from my characters.
Mike I don't care, I'm just waiting on elf then my characters will react as they are right to do and act as they should given the circumstances.
...OK, where am I accusing you of shit you never intended to do because I don't see that. You seem to be taking OOC knowledge into this - there's no reason for them to go into the garage when an enemy is RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM. There's some reason to go upstairs because of Ruu's smashing through the walls but otherwise, none to go up there. So basically, there isn't a rational reason for them to go into the garage.
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You accused me falsely of attempting to kill your vampire, I never said anything about it. I never intended to kill him.
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Considering that your opinions are Satoshi's, and you stated Desecration of corpses made Jack a monster, and your statements that he'd kill him after I inferred he would, that isn't exactly a false accusation.
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Considering that you don't know what you are talking about imma go with no, you are at best mistaken Arch. I never intended to kill your characters, as I stated before I rightly want them and you to leave me alone.
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No offense Lantz, but Lucas is more or less right in front of you, while Jack is farther away, where things have died down - it would probably make more sense to go downstairs >.>
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No offense Lantz, but Lucas is more or less right in front of you, while Jack is upstairs where things have died down - it would probably make more sense to go downstairs >.>
Actually, Toshi is not in the main room. Lucas wouldn't be visible to him at the moment.
I'm not sure how he'd get to the garage, though, I think he'd have to go through where Lucas is....
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Yeah, Toshi and a good chunk of the people in the Complex are upstairs from where Lucas is at. They would have to get through where Tom is holding Lucas telekinetically to get to Jack though, so even if it weren't already highly implausible for Toshi to know that Jack is down drinking from Nessa's body in the garage, he'd have to get around the whole Lucas situation first.
Plus honestly, the most sensible options are either to investigate upstairs where Shuya and Isa's bodies are, especially since there was the sounds of people crashing through walls, or help with Lucas since, even though Tom has him contained, I wouldn't be shocked if he could use the plants that are rapidly growing to attack in some way even while Tom's holding him immobile.
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or help with Lucas since, even though Tom has him contained, I wouldn't be shocked if he could use the plants that are rapidly growing to attack in some way even while Tom's holding him immobile.
>.>
<.<
Who said that? Heresy, I tell you! Lucas is nothing but a paragon of virtue and good intentions!
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Such a paragon that he's about to get skewered by a billion swords with no complaint is he?
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And post!
Sorry, I was still exhausted from the con last night and went to bed super early.
Also, Lantz and Magos . . . I'm pretty tempted to make a GM decision stating that you two shouldn't interact anymore.
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Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
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Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
I edited my post, but it did look like he was.
Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door "Someone kicking down your door is more than likely looking for you, going out there is painting a target on your chest. I'll deal with this, you stay here and here the rest of the details, Rider could you help me with this?"
The phrase,"Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door" really doesn't make any sense. Put his what against the door? His head? His hand? It's just "his".
Look, I know you have an issue with grammar, so I'm helping you out a bit.
However, him putting anything on the door is going to make him look like he's somewhat blocking it, even after he opens it.
Connor, Rin, Taiga and Tsukasa turned to Jack "You should leave with him" Rin told the hiding vampire as Satoshi opened the door.
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Well, I would imagine that the missing word there was an accidental typo rather than bad grammar. I found a half-completed line in my second-from-last post, several days after I wrote it, so it does happen.
But, yeah, it does sound like he was in the way. He did say he opened the door, but that doesn't mean he's not in front of it.
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When you open a door you don't stand in the doorway, it's rude, not to mention counter productive given that he wanted Arch's vampire to leave.
and the hand bit is a strange typo.
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Satoshi, 2chuuni4me
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Edited my post to include Gabriel and Angel.
Mordred's reverse-trap doesn't quite work on someone who's half incubus and a vampire with keen senses.
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@Yolf um what?
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I probably should mention that Downy was planning on acting literally as soon as Gabriel and Angel appeared but my late response has made me fail to do that, I'll get a post up either tonight or tomorrow depending on how work goes.
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@Yolf um what?
(*c*) < It's a joke.
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Satoshi so chuuni
my body literally can't handle it
So hey Elf can I go ahead and INVADE YOUR WORLD with giantdad? I figure he's the best way to RP with limited time anyway, seeing as it's in/fight/winlose/out/rinse&repeat, and he can have connection problems too and return to his own world if ever I can't post for a few days abruptly
little meta but authentic
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giantdad approved.
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Here goes the beginning of the final push for Lucas. If he can't manage it from here on out, his power will start decreasing until he has to run (not likely considering how he is) or get captured/killed/tortured >.>
E: Oh, if you want me to edit anything I can. Don't want to come across as too OP.
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When Lucas is in the air, he's cut off from the Earth right? Mind if I say that his regeneration stopped momentarily when was in the air?
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Crush ego.
Tame the knight.
Get in her pants.
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@Mooncake- Nah, you're good. It's not often Tom gets a true challenge like this. :3
@OPOI- ...shoot, I didn't think of that. ^^" Though I did assume that Tom grabbed him in midair. I guess I'll ask the same question since this means Tom could potentially cut Lucas off from his source of regeneration just by holding him immobile.
...also, poor Lucas, I need better descriptors for the guy. ^^"
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I love how idiotic Satoshi sounded there.
Maximum Chunni. Maximum fail.
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Here goes the beginning of the final push for Lucas. If he can't manage it from here on out, his power will start decreasing until he has to run (not likely considering how he is) or get captured/killed/tortured >.>
I would imagine that Forest wouldn't be too happy with the idea of torturing him, and nor would most of the other characters, Rider aside.
Also, Lantz, did Toshi just activate his RM? Because Shirou already has UBW up.
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When Lucas is in the air, he's cut off from the Earth right? Mind if I say that his regeneration stopped momentarily when was in the air?
No problem :)
Wait, I'm in the air. *smacks head* Derp, forgot about that.
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Here goes the beginning of the final push for Lucas. If he can't manage it from here on out, his power will start decreasing until he has to run (not likely considering how he is) or get captured/killed/tortured >.>
I would imagine that Forest wouldn't be too happy with the idea of torturing him, and nor would most of the other characters, Rider aside.
Also, Lantz, did Toshi just activate his RM? Because Shirou already has UBW up.
Technically he's just summoned a lot of swords, not ubw completely so there shouldn't be any problem...
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Ah, OK. Yeah, that should be fine.
Although, Lantz, has Toshi issued a "challenge" to everyone? Or is it just to Lucas?
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Nope, when Satoshi has it up you'll know.
the words were projected to everyone but only refer to Lucas because he's the only attacker actively harming the residents.
it's a challenge to call out the bad guy, as Satoshi said he's goading the bad guys into attacking him or otherwise making them fearful enough to run away. Either way it keeps people safe
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Unfortunately, Lucas can't hear you now, since he's in such a berserker rage >.>
...also, poor Lucas, I need better descriptors for the guy. ^^"
Yeah, sure: He's about 5'7", golden eyes, slit pupils, stolen black coat, really really pale, with reddish brown hair. Hope that helps <.<
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I'm aware moon cake but Satoshi isn't
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Hm, now, which world to invade first?
I'm tempted to go with Satoshi because he's issuing a callout to the bad guy that won't be answered, but Satoshi is overused for first fightan
Is it just Tom and Shirou fighting Lucas?
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I think the stuff at the compound is enough of a clusterfuck already without someone else showing up....
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Is it just Tom and Shirou fighting Lucas?
For now, yeah. Though once Rin and Dark Archer get Forest and possibly company, it's possible there'll be more. Though even with just Tom and MoS Shirou, things look bad for Lucas as is anyway. ^^"
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I think the stuff at the compound is enough of a clusterfuck already without someone else showing up....
Giantdad is about making situations worse
Tom and Shirou have Lucas on his last ropes, psychically bound to a wall? WHOOP WHOOP HERE COME THE BASS CANNON WHAT BAD GUY GOT AWAY? GOOD NO COMPETITION FOR THESE HUMANITIES
Of course Tom, Dark Archer, Shirou on a good day and maybe Forest would prob be able to beat him bad home, but not before he makes some people's lives harder
In a teamup he's rekt
EDIT: Of course I'm not committed to this scenario yet, still checking to see where everyone is
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Well, given that we have Rider coming down to join them as well, I think he'd be beaten reasonably quick.
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As far as I understand it, if Rider agrees to Satoshi's idea then she will go to Tom and shirou with Forest with Satoshi not far behind since Lucas and Tom are fighting only a room away. That means that the group would be five on two if giantdad helped
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five on one on one, you mean
Dark spirits are enemies to everything in another world, even other dark spirits, with the exception of NPCs
Can't share dat humanity
but like I said I'm still checking to see where everyone is
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Is it just Tom and Shirou fighting Lucas?
For now, yeah. Though once Rin and Dark Archer get Forest and possibly company, it's possible there'll be more. Though even with just Tom and MoS Shirou, things look bad for Lucas as is anyway. ^^"
True, he's about to die… unless you let his body touch the ground >.>
He's a little like Roa on the full moon (but stronger) - he can regenerate from the smallest piece of biological matter if it touches the earth. You have to get him into the air and hit him with something like Caladbolg II to kill him, or something else that completely turns his body to ash.
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Do you not mind him dying? He's your only character, and he only just even entered the RP....
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Do you not mind him dying? He's your only character, and he only just even entered the RP....
I do mind him dying, yeah. One of the cool things about Lucas is that even if you kill him in the air, if he touches the earth again, he just goes "lol NOPE reeespawn" etc. (which is why you have to completely destroy his body).
That being said, I'm definitely on the ropes here, with Tom and Shirou teaming up against Lucas. I'd rather he live, so he might end up trying to run away as the beserker state wears off. We'll see :)
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Well, if you don't want him to die you can just say he won't die. We can't kill your character without permission. And, I don't think that UBW is capable of turning him into dust, either.
I imagine he'll end up captured, though. Whether that's a bad thing depends on his nature, because none of the people in the compound are particularly evil.
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Well, he'll end up dying in the air, but once he touches the earth again (which will probably happen because two of the swords went through his body and vines are lashing out at Tom/ he's bleeding), he'll regenerate.
Being captured is what I see happening too, yeah :) He's gonna be tired and unable to use his full strength for a while after this.
E: And he could technically regenerate from a drop of blood, since it counts as biological material, but it would take ...maybe 20-30 seconds; which is a lot of time in a fight >.>
I'll also take the blood bit out if you judge it to be too much
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I think super-regeneration is fine. It doesn't really help you win a battle, it just means you can survive it.
Also, when you say he's weak to iron, does that include traced iron, or servants' weapons (I suspect the chain on Rider's nails is probably iron)?
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I think super-regeneration is fine. It doesn't really help you win a battle, it just means you can survive it.
Ah, thanks :)
Ok then - it'll take between 15-20 seconds for Lucas to fully regenerate, but now his power will start decreasing.
Also, when you say he's weak to iron, does that include traced iron, or servants' weapons (I suspect the chain on Rider's nails is probably iron)?
He actually only dislikes iron, since it's a core piece of human technology and innovation (which usually ends up destroying forests). I guess he would be a little weaker to it, in the case of Rider's chains. but I don't think traced iron would be much different.
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If Lucas is somewhat weakened afterwards, then yeah, I think it's reasonable. :)
Lucas has the chance to live now, btw. Tom was forced to drop him to bring up a barrier to keep himself from being skewered and whipped.
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^ Sweet, that's what I was hoping for :)
Plus, I gotta say, Mewtwo? Did not see that coming (in other words, it was awesome). I'm really excited now, actually, to see how things go :D
E: Oh, whoops, sorry Alice. I left out a part that I had originally planned to put in, and I just edited it in a couple minutes ago. Lucas is regenerating form a pool of blood on the floor, but really slowly, and it's taking a lot of his power that he won't get back until he fully recovers from using his special ability >.>
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Hmm, you shouldn't really edit your post like that without telling anyone you did, especially after someone else has posted. It's probably OK here, but you should at least announce it.
Also, how the hell is Lucas meant to be restrained for a long period? Is it even possible?
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Hmm, you shouldn't really edit your post like that without telling anyone you did, especially after someone else has posted. It's probably OK here, but you should at least announce it.
Also, how the hell is Lucas meant to be restrained for a long period? Is it even possible?
Yeah, my bad guys. Sorry about that - I'll take that part out if you want.
And Lucas can be restrained pretty easily - take him away from greenery, where he's strong (plus his abilities are below what his CS says after using his trump card) and chain him up with magic/chains. He won't be able to do much of anything after that.
E: Yeah, I will take that part out. Sorry guys, my bad.
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Would taking him upstairs weaken him? I mean, that is basically "in the air"....
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Would taking him upstairs weaken him? I mean, that is basically "in the air"....
Yeah, I'd say so. Binding him in the middle of the air would be even better, but that would work pretty well too, I think.
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Well, binding him in the middle of the air is not very easy to maintain for a long period, especially in a house that's not really designed for holding prisoners. Plus, I would imagine it would be rather uncomfortable....
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Well, binding him in the middle of the air is not very easy to maintain for a long period, especially in a house that's not really designed for holding prisoners. Plus, I would imagine it would be rather uncomfortable...
In that case, upstairs and securely bound with some kind of magic and/or chains would work pretty well for now (magic would work best).
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Nope, when Satoshi has it up you'll know.
the words were projected to everyone but only refer to Lucas because he's the only attacker actively harming the residents.
it's a challenge to call out the bad guy, as Satoshi said he's goading the bad guys into attacking him or otherwise making them fearful enough to run away. Either way it keeps people safe
In reality, any practical villain would look at him, laugh, then shoot the guy next to him, then shoot him just to prove how useless this guy is. Really, Satoshi's boast here in any enviroment is ludicrous and in an actual fight he wouldn't have time to get it off.
Hmm, you shouldn't really edit your post like that without telling anyone you did, especially after someone else has posted. It's probably OK here, but you should at least announce it.
Also, how the hell is Lucas meant to be restrained for a long period? Is it even possible?
Yeah, my bad guys. Sorry about that - I'll take that part out if you want.
And Lucas can be restrained pretty easily - take him away from greenery, where he's strong (plus his abilities are below what his CS says after using his trump card) and chain him up with magic/chains. He won't be able to do much of anything after that.
E: Yeah, I will take that part out. Sorry guys, my bad.
And yeah, this is a good point. Lucas for all his power has a very simple way to disable all of it. The trick is doing it.
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^ Sweet, that's what I was hoping for :)
Plus, I gotta say, Mewtwo? Did not see that coming (in other words, it was awesome). I'm really excited now, actually, to see how things go :D
Glad to hear it~ :3
And nah, don't sweat it too much about the editing thing- I think it happens to us all at least once. :)
And yeah, as for Lucas being suspended, that's pretty much what I thought would work for keeping him from causing trouble- being suspended off the floor using iron chains. I would think that'd be pretty easy to rig up even in a house not designed to imprison people with the right materials. So yeah, it's pretty easily done. :) Even better if it's done on the top floor.
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Well, I'm not sure what you'd intend to hang the chains on. And, like I said, being hung like that for long periods is not remotely pleasant.
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Well, I'm not sure what you'd intend to hang the chains on. And, like I said, being hung like that for long periods is not remotely pleasant.
You'd attach them to the walls, I suppose *shrugs*.
And good, it shouldn't be pleasant. Lucas did just break into your house with the intent to kill Forest/everybody inside after all >.>
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Yeah, but these are mostly nice people. They're not going to be overly comfortable with torture....
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Yeah, but these are mostly nice people. They're not going to be overly comfortable with torture....
Too bad TEAM IRELAND isn't there. If Gabriel found out that someone was gunning for his godmother? He wouldn't do the torturing, but his new BFF has made torture an art form. (Seriously, go check Angel's character page.)
Also, should I post soon?
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I think so. :) ...If everyone else is cool with it that is. ^^"
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Sweet!
Forest might have a slight freak out about her boyfriend being a Pokemon.
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Can't say I blame her there. ^^" ...Poor Tom, he might be somewhat broody for awhile over the whole "oh god I'm actually a monster underneath the pretty boy form" thing. :(
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Yeah, but these are mostly nice people. They're not going to be overly comfortable with torture....
Too bad TEAM IRELAND isn't there. If Gabriel found out that someone was gunning for his godmother? He wouldn't do the torturing, but his new BFF has made torture an art form. (Seriously, go check Angel's character page.)
Well, Rider is a perfectly capable torturer and is perfectly happy to do it (indeed, she would be glad to have the opportunity), but I would imagine that everyone else would be somewhat less happy about the idea....
Also, should I post soon?
I'd like to post first, although if I don't manage to get it done before I go to bed tonight please feel free to post anyway.
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Quick question to Daiki, you mentioned them not having any Command Seals for Mordred, perhaps because the circle that was used belonged to Downy therefore making Downy the one with said seals? (This is literally the last thing I need to ask before I post my RP post. other then that I believe Mudou is still waiting on a response from Aiden other then that I think I'm all good.)
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Given Gabriel's nature, I'd imagine that having Downy as her master would not be very good for Mordred's life-expectancy. I guess it's up to Daiki if he does, though....
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Yeah, even though Gabriel loathes killing people himself, he has no problem stepping back and letting a vampire do it if the situation calls for it.
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Well, in the case of Mordred, he is far more suited to killing her than Angel is, due to his anti-magic nature. I doubt Angel is capable of killing Mordred himself.
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As for Downy himself he's a little outnumbered at the moment so any potential ally no matter who it may be would be better than none, and if he really does have the Seals then he wouldn't have to worry about any type of betrayal from her. (For now at least.)
Also I'd like to add that the contract he has with Imnity at the moment is actually similar in nature to that between a Servant and a Master (hence why Imnity calls him Master.) so even if he doesn't have one he could establish a connection of sorts if she accepted his offer. (He's got a pretty darn big supply of magical energy at the moment as well since he hasn't really been able to use it at all against his current foes, thanks Elf lol.)
Of course this is completely up to how Daiki wants to play it, depending on what he thinks the Seals could have already appeared for Downy. (He just hasn't noticed them yet what with being busy with all the stuff going on.)
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My, that Behemoth's resilience is giving me flashbacks to freakin' Yiazmat.
Hmm...I don't know if I should rush through and try to make-or-break towards the main circle. Or maybe I should try something riskier. I wonder if overloading her Null Field would sever the connection with the beast, though it would also risk overloading herself in the process...
So many choices...
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I won't lie you were pretty close to finishing it off then it got some help from a fellow Necromancer, though if you would have tried to go in for a finishing blow you would have gone right into a trap, tis a shame you had to play safe.
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I knew that fight wouldn't be over so easily.
Then again, depending on what I choose to do next, things may not go very well for poor Reina.
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Heh yeah you could say this is all thanks to Elf running away from her previous foes leaving them to wander around at their own leisure, well I dunno if your character is good at talking but you could always try that I suppose (Though Lobelia has a bit of a hot temper so if you're not careful you'll just anger her .)
Also, I know everyone has their own posting style but if possible do you think you guys could at least include the name of the character you are currently RPing? That would really help to keep track of all the posts and stuff and would help to separate multiple characters when RPed in a single post. (I like to try and bold mine and put a location as well but even the name would be enough really there are so many characters right now it's a little difficult to keep track of who is who I'm afraid I might miss one.)
Also would you like me to re-post that list again? I'll update it with all the stuff that's happened since.
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Hey Mil, just out of curiosity, who did summon Medea? Is she just contracted to the World and Masterless?
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To tell you the truth I didn't think about that at first, it only came to mind after this whole Mordred thing so at the moment I suppose you could say one of your leftover magical studies happened to do so? (Hey if a random circle used to heal Irisviel can do it I don't see why not.) (If you wanna get really really technical I like to think of it as kind of like she's an alien to this world right now giving out her own reality of sorts however the world will slowly start to push back and as she becomes less alien she'll lose the ability and the world will crush her just like in her normal world or something like that.)
As for why she doesn't feel a strain I put that as because it's technically a different world from her own the strain isn't as noticeable at first, however if she doesn't do anything about it it'll just keep getting stronger and stronger as she adapts to the world itself, so unless she contracts or finds a different way she'd fall all over again.
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Heh yeah you could say this is all thanks to Elf running away from her previous foes leaving them to wander around at their own leisure, well I dunno if your character is good at talking but you could always try that I suppose (Though Lobelia has a bit of a hot temper so if you're not careful you'll just anger her .)
I doubt it; Reina's not the talkative type unless she's being addressed by others, and Lobelia's not there, so Reina won't address her either. Then there's the mechanical-ish speech (the disadvantages of a machine without emotions. Someone needs to teach her the power of LOOOOOVEEEE if she survives this).
I do wonder if Reina would pick up on the magic traces and make her way towards Lobelia, though. Maybe...
Well, we'll see if the armor comes off or not.
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Quick question to Daiki, you mentioned them not having any Command Seals for Mordred, perhaps because the circle that was used belonged to Downy therefore making Downy the one with said seals?
Sure, let's go with that.
Keep in mind that she will eventually ask to be freed from their contract once she realizes there's no HGW going on.
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Alright sounds good to me, (Heh no Grail War yet at least.)
Do you want to have her recognize the Seals for him? (Saves me from having to edit my post.)
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No problem with that. Although, I'll wait for Elf to post before I do.
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Satoshi can capture him really easy if that's the development moon cake is shooting for, tag Lucas with a float spell to keep him off the ground and surround him in an iron/concrete cell. Concrete isn't natural and for added defense encircle the cage or cell with a fire wall. And there you have it Lucas captured
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Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.
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Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.
Yeah that was a bit of an obvious jab from Lantz there...
Wonder how Mewtwo's gonna react to Shirou practically torturing Lucas right in front of him...
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Poor Lucas :(
I'll wait for Elf to post before I do something, I think.
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Wonder how Mewtwo's gonna react to Shirou practically torturing Lucas right in front of him...
Rather well, all things considered. I mean, it'll make part of him uncomfortable considering what he himself went through, but otherwise, he's not going to care too much because Lucas was there to capture/kill Forest anyway. ...Plus Tom can be kinda a dick sometimes. :V Because cat.
And lantz... considering that it's physically impossible for Toshi to have found the corpses on the way downstairs because they were upstairs, and since neither Lancer or Mille have gone yet, I suggest editing out the barrier and healing nonsense, because it disrupts the crime scene, it's blatant metagaming because of what happened with Magos in the thread, and it's also rather rude because it basically ignores that there are people that need to go ahead of you on that front.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how Toshi would have accidentially run into the bodies, they're not on the route from the room he's in to the fight. So, yeah, I think he does need to explain why he headed in that direction or else edit it.
As for you being first, though, whilst you're right that Lantz has posted twice with Toshi since you last posted with Mille and Lancer, Toshi hasn't been interacting with them (indeed, you posted twice with them between Lantz's previous two posts), and Magos posted about five times with Jack in between Lantz's posts, resulting in him doing something that Lantz specifically didn't want to happen, so I don't think you can really complain on that front. There was no indication that Mille and Lancer had any intention to go towards their bodies and no real reason why Lantz should be expected to wait for your post.
Also, I don't think it is "metagaming", Magos has shown no indication that he intends to drink their blood, and Toshi does seem to value respecting the dead rather highly (plus, attempting to heal them makes perfect sense), although I guess he probably should explain why exactly Toshi felt the need to put that barrier up without reference to OOC knowledge. But, if he can do that, the only issue I see is that there is no reason why Toshi would even find the bodies if he's heading for the main battle (and, if he's not, then his challenge seems rather weird). The "disturbing the crime scene" argument is not valid, either. Attempting to save a life is way more important than that, and the barrier if anything helps preserve the crime scene.
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Well, that's a waste of magic there Suetoshit. It isn't like anyone is going to desecrate those corpses.
Magos, please quit being combative.
However, Forest would probably want to inspect the bodies to find out who killed them once she's able to.
And I will post tonight!
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Well, I assume all she has to do is ask Toshi and he'll remove the barrier. Working out who killed them is perfectly sensible.
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Or he could just edit out that part of the post. Because again, he wouldn't have come across them on the way downstairs.
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Well, that's up to Lantz, but he does need to either edit it out or explain how he came across them and why he acted as he did, yes.
I don't think it's as simple as just editing it out and changing nothing else, though. The stuff dealing with the bodies is the main point of the post, so if he removes that he probably needs to have Toshi do something else instead.
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That's part of the point of my post- Suetoshi has both:
a) Wasted magic on something relatively unneeded and in a way has already violated the crime scene. Attempting to heal someone who doesn't have a fucking heart (Seriously. What the hell dude, basic triage or a functioning pair of eyes would have said it wasn't worth it) and touching her corpse enough to get blood on him is already disturbing the evidence. Jacks guilty of that too, but honestly he gives no fucks because he needs blood.
And b) Even though I made 5 posts, what was going on was happening at a faster pace, and between just two characters. I also kept the basic structure of the building in mind- there is no possible way for Suetoshi to come across those bodies if he's going downstairs. Furthermore, it's rather hypocritical of him to turn tail and run after that little chunni speech.
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a) Wasted magic on something relatively unneeded and in a way has already violated the crime scene. Attempting to heal someone who doesn't have a fucking heart (Seriously. What the hell dude, basic triage or a functioning pair of eyes would have said it wasn't worth it) and touching her corpse enough to get blood on him is already disturbing the evidence. Jacks guilty of that too, but honestly he gives no fucks because he needs blood.
Obviously he didn't see it as "unneeded", and the fact that she's missing a heart doesn't automatically mean she cannot possibly be revived (if it did, then Satoshi wouldn't exist because Shirou would have died when Lancer stabbed him). Sure, it might have been unlikely, but even if there's only a 0.1% chance it's still worth trying, especially when you have Toshi-level healing powers.
And b) Even though I made 5 posts, what was going on was happening at a faster pace, and between just two characters.
I don't think that your five posts took less time than Satoshi's two posts here, so that is not a valid excuse at all. And, Jack drinking Nessa's blood certainly did not involve only two characters, Lantz made it abundantly clear he wanted to stop it.
I also kept the basic structure of the building in mind- there is no possible way for Suetoshi to come across those bodies if he's going downstairs.
Well, you hardly communicated where everything had happened particularly well, so I would imagine that that is just an oversight on Lantz's part. He's hardly the only person to have done such a thing.
Furthermore, it's rather hypocritical of him to turn tail and run after that little chunni speech.
Again, that's up to Lantz. It would seem odd, though, so he'll probably change it now the position of the bodies has been pointed out to him.
Having said that, he did say his intention was to go play healer, so he might well go after them anyway. Healing someone who is critically injured (he has no reason to suspect they're already dead until he gets there, Forest certainly didn't) is more urgent than fighting off the threat that is already well-contained and has several others heading for it.
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There's a difference between a stab wound to the heart (which is medically survivable for a surprisingly long time) and having your entire heart ripped out. The problem is also with his healing powers- if Rin can't create a new heart from scratch, he shouldn't be able to. And there is no hint of it on his sheet, he shouldn't be able to do it.
For another thing, the whole corpse thing was pretty much an excuse from the start to screw over Jack. He's really horrible at hiding it.
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Look guys, this argument is really simple.
Did lantz disturb the roleplaying of anyone else by applying meta-knowledge in Satoshi putting up barriers over those bodies? No. Is it contrived that he ran into the bodies on his way down? Slightly, but the important thing is the first answer.
It's not bothering anyone's roleplaying or abusively restricting in-character actions on purpose, so walk it off and assume Satoshi stopped there before going down because he noticed the scent of blood. And just take the scene for what it shows, i.e., characterization of Satoshi: we now know that he has very strong respect for the diseased.
Now shut it and roleplay.
P.S.: Fun fact. Uchiten is one character who would've been quite annoyed at Satoshi for preserving bodies on purpose if he saw it.
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Actually, it makes it harder for Mille and Lancer to examine the bodies. The blood spatter was part of how I was going to have Mille connect the dots that it was Ruu that did it. They were heading upstairs to examine the carnage.
The fact that he did that was not very nice to me because it didn't even get my post in beforehand, because I was waiting for Elf. Just because lantz thinks I'm the spawn of Satan now apparently doesn't give him the right to just disregard me like that. So it was disruptive, even in a minor sense.
So yes, I would like him to edit it out in respect for Elf and myself, because quite frankly, it was rude of him to do that just so he could do a "take that" to Magos.
Plus if he's going to pedantically insist that people edit their posts over even more minor things than that, he should be held to the same exact standard.
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There's a difference between a stab wound to the heart (which is medically survivable for a surprisingly long time) and having your entire heart ripped out. The problem is also with his healing powers- if Rin can't create a new heart from scratch, he shouldn't be able to. And there is no hint of it on his sheet, he shouldn't be able to do it.
Having your heart ripped out is still not instantly fatal. The only thing that is is destruction of the brain. Even people who are beheaded don't die immediately, IIRC.
And, well, the power comes from Avalon. I don't see anything saying he can heal other people on his sheet, but I see a few things that could be interpreted as saying that. I think Lantz should clarify it more, but I suspect he will say it is already there.
For another thing, the whole corpse thing was pretty much an excuse from the start to screw over Jack. He's really horrible at hiding it.
Even if that is true, you can hardly complain given your past actions.
Look guys, this argument is really simple.
Did lantz disturb the roleplaying of anyone else by applying meta-knowledge in Satoshi putting up barriers over those bodies? No. Is it contrived that he ran into the bodies on his way down? Slightly, but the important thing is the first answer.
It's not bothering anyone's roleplaying or abusively restricting in-character actions on purpose, so walk it off and assume Satoshi stopped there before going down because he noticed the scent of blood. And just take the scene for what it shows, i.e., characterization of Satoshi: we now know that he has very strong respect for the diseased.
Now shut it and roleplay.
Well, I think there is a legitimate question about how exactly he got to the bodies, because the bodies are in the exact opposite direction to the fight. However, I am almost certain that is an oversight on his part due to Magos not really explaining what the hell was going on with his characters very well rather than a deliberate act on Lantz's part. Particularly since I recall making the exact same mistake when discussing the location of the bodies (not sure if it's on here or not, but I think Lantz has Magos on ignore so even if it was he might not have noticed it).
Actually, it makes it harder for Mille and Lancer to examine the bodies. The blood spatter was part of how I was going to have Mille connect the dots that it was Ruu that did it. They were heading upstairs to examine the carnage.
The fact that he did that was not very nice to me because it didn't even get my post in beforehand, because I was waiting for Elf. Just because lantz thinks I'm the spawn of Satan now apparently doesn't give him the right to just disregard me like that. I might honestly have to act as if he didn't act at all for things to still make sense. So it was disruptive, even in a minor sense.
I can understand that, but it wasn't intentional, and Magos did exactly the same thing to Lantz only a couple of days back (and intentionally, too). I don't see any indication that Lantz was trying to screw you over. As far as Lantz was concerned, Lancer and Mille were not involved in his stuff, so there was no reason for him to wait for them, just like you guys haven't been waiting for those of us upstairs when doing your stuff downstairs.
So yes, I would like him to edit it out in respect for Elf and myself, because quite frankly, it was rude of him to do that just so he could do a "take that" to Magos.
Plus if he's going to pedantically insist that people edit their posts over even more minor things than that, he should be held to the same exact standard.
Well, possibly he should have waited for Elf, but he is certainly not close to the first person to not do so, so I don't see why he should be expected to edit his post to essentially say "Toshi does nothing" when far more irritating instances of the same thing have been left to stand.
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There's something wrong with us if we're basing our standards on things that we've let pass before despite recognizing they weren't entirely correct.
What I'm trying to say is, just because we've let it happen before is no reason to conform ourselves to let it happen again. It's no reason why it's okay for it to happen again where we can set a better example and a better standard. Making IC posts that walk over other persons will always happen, whether by accident or not, but that doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't let it happen, especially if it's easy to solve.
In other words, just because it's happened before is no reason to lower our standards to it and let it happen again every time without so much as a reprimand when we should strive to be better than that.
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Sure, but it isn't "easy to solve" here. It basically requires Lantz to trash the entire point of his post. I don't see why we should be demanding he do that now when we haven't been demanding it of people previously.
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....Mike.
Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
I edited my post, but it did look like he was.
Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door "Someone kicking down your door is more than likely looking for you, going out there is painting a target on your chest. I'll deal with this, you stay here and here the rest of the details, Rider could you help me with this?"
The phrase,"Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door" really doesn't make any sense. Put his what against the door? His head? His hand? It's just "his".
Look, I know you have an issue with grammar, so I'm helping you out a bit.
However, him putting anything on the door is going to make him look like he's somewhat blocking it, even after he opens it.
Connor, Rin, Taiga and Tsukasa turned to Jack "You should leave with him" Rin told the hiding vampire as Satoshi opened the door.
If lantz is allowed to whine and make Elf do an edit over the thing I just quoted, he should have to be held accountable for either deleting or editing that post. Again, he shouldn't be allowed to get away with so much, especially, since, again, it was both solely because he had his panties in a bunch over the "corpses being defiled" thing and was also unrealistic since it didn't account for the bodies' location.
lantz already gets more than enough special treatment on this site. I don't think he should receive any more than he already does.
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It may be too much to ask lantz to "fix" it when it involves denying the point of his post yes, but what I'm trying to say is that if we keep using the excuse "we haven't demanded it of people before why should we now", we're never going to get anywhere. Or improve the crux matter.
I just want us to have LESS arguments like this! They do nothing but bother those uninvolved and usually never get anywhere.
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The problem is Mike, is that Lantz has repeatedly, again and again, done stuff like this. This isn't the first time he's blatantly decided to pretty much meta game in order to either make his characters look good or fuck over other players.
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And yeah, the special treatment he gets here is fucking insane. There's a double standard going on here that needs to stop.
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....Mike.
Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
Satoshi was never standing in Forest's way Elf, if he had been then Arch's vampire would have had to push him out of the way to leave the room.
I edited my post, but it did look like he was.
Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door "Someone kicking down your door is more than likely looking for you, going out there is painting a target on your chest. I'll deal with this, you stay here and here the rest of the details, Rider could you help me with this?"
The phrase,"Satoshi shook his head and put his against the door" really doesn't make any sense. Put his what against the door? His head? His hand? It's just "his".
Look, I know you have an issue with grammar, so I'm helping you out a bit.
However, him putting anything on the door is going to make him look like he's somewhat blocking it, even after he opens it.
Connor, Rin, Taiga and Tsukasa turned to Jack "You should leave with him" Rin told the hiding vampire as Satoshi opened the door.
If lantz is allowed to whine and make Elf do an edit over the thing I just quoted, he should have to be held accountable for either deleting or editing that post. Again, he shouldn't be allowed to get away with so much, especially, since, again, it was both solely because he had his panties in a bunch over the "corpses being defiled" thing and was also unrealistic since it didn't account for the bodies' location.
lantz already gets more than enough special treatment on this site. I don't think he should receive any more than he already does.
I completely agree that he needs to edit the post to take account of the fact that he missed the location of the bodies.
However, Elf's edit and Lantz's edit here are not the same thing. Elf's edit was a minor edit which didn't really affect the intent of her post at all, and she agreed to do it without argument. Lantz's edit here will necessarily have to change the intent of his post somewhat. That is fine, I still think he needs to take the situation into account, but I don't think he should be forced to edit it in a particular manner.
The problem is Mike, is that Lantz has repeatedly, again and again, done stuff like this. This isn't the first time he's blatantly decided to pretty much meta game in order to either make his characters look good or fuck over other players.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....
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It's seven god damn sentences Mike. Seven. The whole damn post is only seven sentences long. I'm hardly seeing why editing that is apparently such a hard thing for lantz to do.
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It's seven god damn sentences Mike. Seven. I'm hardly seeing why editing that is apparently such a hard thing for lantz to do.
It's not the length that's an issue, it's the fact that it actually changes the intent of the post. Which is not something that is easy to do when other people have posted after you.
And, I specifically did say he needs to edit it somehow to take this information into account. I just don't think we can really prescribe exactly how.
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It is when no one has actually fucking interacted with you. And it's just one post Mike. One motherfucking post.
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It is when no one has actually fucking interacted with you. And it's just one post Mike. One motherfucking post.
Again, I did say he should edit it to take that information into account. But, he does not have to do it in the manner you guys want him to, not unless Elf demands it.
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Mike, the length is important here because it's hardly a hard effort post. Changing it or even just deleting it should be pretty effortless. This is hardly calculus. Stop treating something simple like it's so terribly difficult.
And... dear god, I see where this is going. Mike, having consideration for others in an RP has nothing to do with freedom of speech shit. Stop it.
I just want us to have LESS arguments like this! They do nothing but bother those uninvolved and usually never get anywhere.
Yeah... If lantz would stop doing things like this constantly, it'd help. Hell, every single argument has been about lantz related things. Honestly, if this continues much longer, I think Elf is going to eventually have to account for that fact. Because this is hardly doing the forum's health any favors. ...Or mine, for that matter.
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Once again, Mike, this is a double standard at work here. 'Oh no, Lantz can't change any of his posts intent, despite it not making sense, but everyone else needs to do it for lantz's posts' has happened before. Quite frankly I'm sick of Lantz getting preferential treatment from you, and of you making excuses for his behavior all the damn time. I don't care if he's in the special classes or whatever, there's certain expectations in any social environment that you are expected to follow. The cardinal one, 'play nice' has never seemed to apply here to lantz. So many of his fucking posts are him cheerleading his head sue, or made posts that basically go 'Oh, right, Satoshi can solve all your problems, so just sit back and let him be everyone's hero and then fawn over him. The sexing line starts over there ladies.'
Mike, the length is important here because it's hardly a hard effort post. Changing it or even just deleting it should be pretty effortless. This is hardly calculus. Stop treating something simple like it's so terribly difficult.
And... dear god, I see where this is going. Mike, having consideration for others in an RP has nothing to do with freedom of speech shit. Stop it.
I just want us to have LESS arguments like this! They do nothing but bother those uninvolved and usually never get anywhere.
Yeah... If lantz would stop doing things like this constantly, it'd help. Hell, every single argument has been about lantz related things. Honestly, if this continues much longer, I think Elf is going to eventually have to account for that fact. Because this is hardly doing the forum's health any favors. ...Or mine, for that matter.
This is another thing. Lantz's actions are not just irritating, but causing direct harm to the forum as a whole. He is the cause and catalyst for most of our arguments and issues here. There is a point where letting lantz's shit fly needs to stop, and we've clearly passed it a long time ago, but your complaints and actions Mike have allowed it to continue. We're all responsible for this in some way, but you need to shoulder some of the blame for letting it get this far.
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Magos, stop it. This is not the damn Lantz-bashing thread.
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Magos, stop it. This is not the damn Lantz-bashing thread.
No, it isn't, but the issue needs to be addressed somewhere. Lantz's shit needs to stop, and we've had this argument before with you. You might go on and on about Tyranny, and all that wonderful 'ANARCHISM HO' stuff, but frankly the majority of the userbase is sick of these arguments, sick of lantz, and sick of his god damn shit. He needs to in some way be held accountable for his own actions, something you seem to protest happening. I'm fucking sick and tired of repeating this same argument again and again. The only way these arguments are going to stop is if Lantz either shapes up and fucking acts like a decent human being to other posters, or he's banned. We've tried the first bit before, and he seems to refuse to change. I'll let you figure out the optimal course of action here now then.
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Okay, guys.
Everyone shush for now about this argument, okay? Either let it slide, or wait for Elf to say something. We're not going anywhere, regardless of who is more in the right.
And please, no personal bashing. Don't mix personal issues with RP issues.
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Magos, stop it. This is not the damn Lantz-bashing thread.
No, it isn't, but the issue needs to be addressed somewhere. Lantz's shit needs to stop, and we've had this argument before with you. You might go on and on about Tyranny, and all that wonderful 'ANARCHISM HO' stuff, but frankly the majority of the userbase is sick of these arguments, sick of lantz, and sick of his god damn shit. He needs to in some way be held accountable for his own actions, something you seem to protest happening. I'm fucking sick and tired of repeating this same argument again and again. The only way these arguments are going to stop is if Lantz either shapes up and fucking acts like a decent human being to other posters, or he's banned. We've tried the first bit before, and he seems to refuse to change. I'll let you figure out the optimal course of action here now then.
Lantz has done nothing to deserve a ban. If anyone here has, it is you, by being constantly abusive and generally a total asshole, even when Lantz is trying to be reasonable.
If there is an issue with Lantz's RPing, that is Elf's problem to deal with, not the admins. We do not run the RP, we run the forum, and bad RPing is not something we should be dealing with. And nor is ignoring criticism a justification to ban someone, people have a right to act as they wish and write whatever they wish, even if you don't like it. We are not here to be censors of people's writing or to judge what is and is not acceptable.
Point out to me anything at all that Lantz has done that is worthy of a ban that you have not done yourself 10 times as often and far worse. Because I cannot see it. Bad RPing is not bannable and nor, even, is RPing in an inconsiderate manner. At most it justifies kicking them from the RP, and Elf does not wish to do that (whatever you might think she told you).
Okay, guys.
Everyone shush for now about this argument, okay? Either let it slide, or wait for Elf to say something. We're not going anywhere, regardless of who is more in the right.
And please, no personal bashing. Don't mix personal issues with RP issues.
Yes, this. I am damn sick of this thread being a constant argument about how awful Lantz is. It is fine to criticise what he is doing, but we already had that discussion, and until Lantz and/or Elf come on there is nothing to add to it.
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Please take this to private messages. :(
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Yeah, I know, I just felt that had to be said. I'm really getting sick of this thread being full of stupid arguments that go nowhere and end up turning abusive, and I do not think Lantz can be held responsible for the way Magos chooses to speak.
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Mike. Dear god you have no idea how hard I want to fucking slap you right now. God fucking damn it.
And yes, as admin I'm going with YOLF here and saying that let's let this be settled via GM and drop it here. This is going to go nowhere yet again due to stubbornness.
...You know, my family apparently has a history of high blood pressure. Place your bets, how long do you think it'll take before I pop a vessel? ^^"
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It's not the length that's an issue, it's the fact that it actually changes the intent of the post. Which is not something that is easy to do when other people have posted after you.
And, I specifically did say he needs to edit it somehow to take this information into account. I just don't think we can really prescribe exactly how.
The point is to show respect for the dead. He could easily conceal the corpses with a sheet or something. The barriers don't serve much purpose here anyway (besides getting in the way of other PCs who will want to understand what happened). A quick edit will fix that.
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Satoshi was not headed to the fight. If he had been he would have run into Forest. He followed the smell to the bodies. The barrier is there to keep away tampering because given the situation at hand he cannot bury them immediately.
also to reiterate what I have previously stated, only Taiga was "cheer leading" the others were mocking him or irritated at him or haven't said a word.
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I think it would be better to clarify that and why Toshi started to call out the enemy if he wasn't headed for the battle, but it's probably a good idea if we wait for Elf on this one (since we're waiting for her to post in order to move on anyway).
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A taunt is a taunt, not much to it. After all if they come running then being alone works better for his intent of keeping people safe
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A taunt is a taunt, not much to it. After all if they come running then being alone works better for his intent of keeping people safe
A taunt is useless when nobody gives a shit. Besides, it wasn't a fucking taunt, it was a threat. It was worded lke a threat, it was stated like a threat. It's a god damn threat.
And for that matter, no, there's been cheerleading all around from your characters. Indirect praise is still praise. Then there's that entire bit that Sakura did that basically made it sound like you wanted every character to go and suck his dick if they ever had a conflicting opinion with him. I'm sure that there's more than this going on but I'll have to look through a bunch of your poorly written posts to get to it so yeah. Fuck that for now.
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Magos, being this antagonistic is not helping, and you know it.
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Satoshi was not headed to the fight. If he had been he would have run into Forest. He followed the smell to the bodies. The barrier is there to keep away tampering because given the situation at hand he cannot bury them immediately.
I don't understand why it should be Satoshi's call to make when it's about who is allowed to examine the bodies. It's still Forest place, shouldn't she have a say in it? And even then, why shouldn't the others have a right to check them either? The barriers aren't needed imo. I mean, if he's not heading to battle anyway, he can stay next to them. Besides, some people might want to show respect or pick up the bodies. It's rather selfish of him, dude.
I mean, if Vanessa hadn't died and would find out a barrier around her sister's body, she would get really mad.
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Precisely this. It prevents Mille and Lancer from examining the bodies more closely, and they hardly intend to harm the corpses. After all, Mille can't make the connection that Ruu was the killer quite as easily if she can't even look at the corpses properly. Even if the causes of death are obvious, that still doesn't discount the value of looking at the blood spatter and everything else.
Though again, we should wait for Elf. I didn't bold and put in glow effects on those words of mine earlier for no reason, after all.
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Sakura was irritated
and Daiki the barriers are conceptually the same as crime scene tape, wall off the area to stop contamination of the scene. He's making certain that no one can tamper with them, for all he knows one of the enemies is a voodoo shaman so keeping the dead safe from an enemy like that is fantastically important, he will dispell the barriers once the house is safe again.
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Sakura was irritated
and Daiki the barriers are conceptually the same as crime scene tape, wall off the area to stop contamination of the scene. He's making certain that no one can tamper with them, for all he knows one of the enemies is a voodoo shaman so keeping the dead safe from an enemy like that is fantastically important, he will dispell the barriers once the house is safe again.
Ahahahahahahaha. Being irritated doesn't change the fact that that is practically what she said to do.
...OK. Dude. You need to realize, that Crime Scene tape is not the same as a fucking impenetrable barrier, and that isn't a valid excuse when once again, this is forest's house and they don't do anything more than be dickish and prevent anyone from going near the bodies to cover them with a cloth or some shit. Hell, he didn't need magic, he could have just torn up a bedsheet and covered them that way. It's a waste of magic no matter how you look at it.
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Do they act as physical barriers or is it something that only impedes with magic interferences? Because, if it's the latter, people could enter and still check on them, right? Thus making Elf's intervention unneeded.
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It prevents the movement of the bodies and items from the scene of the crime. Look all you want but you can't move them or take anything from the scene.
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Can you touch the bodies, or get near to them?
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Touch yes disturb or move no
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So it's a boundary field that 'freezes' anything inside of it until removed, alright.
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Let's assume Isa is lying on her back, Alice. You should have plenty of room for examination, right?
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Yeah, that should work fine. That makes me less irritated about it. Mille wouldn't want to disturb the bodies anyway, since she's going to have a hard enough time not throwing up as it is. Intelligent enough to work out basic forensic details, yes, experienced at looking at gorey crime scenes, no.
Can she still close Isa's eyes while the boundary field is in effect? I imagine they're still open considering the way she was killed.
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Wasn't Isa the one who lost her heart?
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...You can tell this whole argument's done things to my brain. ^^" Fixed.
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I feel the need to address the process in which we ask other people to edit in case of whatever issues.
Seriously if there's an issue 1:Bring it up to the other party AND ASK THEY CHANGE IT, preferably in A SINGLE POST
2:If they are not intent to change it and you find it somehow problematic, call out to the gm IN A SINGLE POST
3:If the gm does not tell them to change, fukken roll with it
That's about four posts that are needed to call out a problem, unless the other guy is all like "Wait what is problem", which it would escalate to six after explanation. Six posts, think on that. If we started doing this like normal rational people we wouldn't waste pages and pages on every single issue.
and I'm going to copy/paste this whenever I see someone whine about something someone did IC
six posts tops
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Wasn't Isa the one who lost her heart?
Typo, yeah.
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I feel the need to address the process in which we ask other people to edit in case of whatever issues.
Seriously if there's an issue 1:Bring it up to the other party AND ASK THEY CHANGE IT, preferably in A SINGLE POST
2:If they are not intent to change it and you find it somehow problematic, call out to the gm IN A SINGLE POST
3:If the gm does not tell them to change, fukken roll with it
That's about four posts that are needed to call out a problem, unless the other guy is all like "Wait what is problem", which it would escalate to six after explanation. Six posts, think on that. If we started doing this like normal rational people we wouldn't waste pages and pages on every single issue.
and I'm going to copy/paste this whenever I see someone whine about something someone did IC
six posts tops
Ironically, that's what I started out doing, albeit somewhat passive aggressively. The main problem is that Mike immediately rushed to his defense, because then it was drawn out into an argument straight away. Possibly what needs to be done instead is just have the initial person say it, wait for the person who's being questioned to actually respond, then call for the GM and wait for her to respond if he/she does not comply. Then all the position explaining and stuff can be done once the GM arrives. With everyone else waiting to say their piece until she actually gets there.
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Regarding Isa no, nothing can be disturbed in the barrier. It's unfortunate but necessary for the spell to be effective. Her eyes cannot be closed for the time being.
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To Bloble: While Caster may be fast with her creations everything does at least take a little bit of time. Perhaps we should go through a time skip to speed things along a little?
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Wait, how could Satoshi create a barrier around Isa?
Jack's currently munching on her corpse.
I'm not going to tell Lantz to edit his post. If he wanted to put a barrier around the bodies sort of uselessly that's his business. There will be consequences about it later.
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It's Nessa that's being munched on in the garage. It's Isa and Shuya that are being boundary fielded. But yeah, it just means that the bodies can't be moved in any way until the boundary field is lifted. That means they can be investigated just fine, but when it comes to actually moving them... that's when it'll become troublesome.
So it shouldn't hopefully interfere with Mille and Lancer much upon their initial investigation, but when Forest comes up to clean up the mess later, it's going to become far more of a pain.
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Wait, how could Satoshi create a barrier around Isa?
Jack's currently munching on her corpse.
I'm not going to tell Lantz to edit his post. If he wanted to put a barrier around the bodies sort of uselessly that's his business. There will be consequences about it later.
No, Jack is munching on Nessa's corpse. Isa is in a different room.
So it shouldn't hopefully interfere with Mille and Lancer much upon their initial investigation, but when Forest comes up to clean up the mess later, it's going to become far more of a pain.
Yeah, well, that's for Forest to deal with when the time comes. As Elf said, ultimately Toshi has to justify and account for his actions, and if Forest doesn't like the explanation he is the one who will suffer for it.
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He's protecting them from a host of threats because he doesn't know it's just one guy attacking
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He's protecting them from a host of threats because he doesn't know it's just one guy attacking
If this is the case why protect the dead and not the living here?
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Protecting the dead and the living can both be done, he's doing both.
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No... not really. He's just protecting the dead here.
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SSHHHHTAAAAAAAAAAAAAP. Just let the RPing speak for itself.
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Cool, Elf posted. Time to write a quick response before sleep overtakes me (and Lucas).
E: Short post is short >.>
Well, time to see what happens next!
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Elf has no time to play, it's all serious business.
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Elf has no time to play, it's all serious business.
More like Gabriel doesn't fuck around, unless he's fucking.
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Ivan here, I've finally decided to register. Perhaps I could also still join this RP, ain't it?
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Hi there Mouse.
Also, could you guys please let me catch up a bit, Rider was meant to be going with Forest....
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Making another character... I like the concept I have so far.
His name is "Wanderer" and he has a horse >.>
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Pffft.
Do eet.
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Welcome to the forum, Ivan! :D
And there's pretty much infinite room, so of course you can join. :)
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Made a post for Rose and for Marius.
I'll have a Valda one up sometime tonight.
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Getting trapped in a tea cup still full of tea was probably something Uchiten was humored by. Before mentally influencing someone to boil the tea and drink it and burst out of their gut.
... the whole thing sounds like a Jackie Chan Adventures episode.
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I wish you guys would not keep running off ahead of me all the time. It makes my post really hard to write when I have so much to respond to, and then that causes me to be even more delayed in posting. Plus, it means I can't actually do anything. Rider was meant to be following after Forest, but you guys just completely ignored her, again. I always wait for you guys, even if it means waiting several days, so I'd appreciate it if you would show me similar consideration. Especially since we just had an argument over Lantz doing a far-less-extreme version of this that was considerably easier to deal with.
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...Except nothing of the stuff that happend with us going ahead actually interfered with anything Rider could react to? Mike, actually read the RP before constantly complaining about this. So a completely telepathic conversation that no one can hear except for Forest and Tom somehow interferes with your posting? Mike, stop it.
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Right, might have been me he was complaining bout...
This turn system is really confusing me...
Mike, should I change my post to include rider?
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Well, it was pretty much everyone, actually. Possibly I did over-react a little, but it just frustrates me because it has happened quite a lot, due to me being in a different timezone to everyone else.
But, no, you shouldn't, because I'm not sure Rider will even be there at that point yet. I need to work out what she's doing first....
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...Except it doesn't really interfere with how difficult it is to post here. In fact, I just learned privately that it's not because it interferes with your posting that it upsets you, it's that it happened period, even when it doesn't really affect you at all. It doesn't matter that there was no reason to wait for you there, it's that we dared to move without your express permission.
So no, I actually think you owe everyone else an apology. Otherwise I'm of the opinion that we should just go on without you in the future regardless, because I fail to see any reason to accept your demands when they're done for such selfish and self centered reasons. Your reaction was not just over reacting a "little."
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...Except it doesn't really interfere with how difficult it is to post here. In fact, I just learned privately that it's not because it interferes with your posting that it upsets you, it's that it happened period, even when it doesn't really affect you at all. It doesn't matter that there was no reason to wait for you there, it's that we dared to move without your express permission.
No, it's not that. It does actually affect me, although more the stuff with Lancer and Mille actually. It limits how I can act. I did over-react due to frustration, yes, but it is not true that I had no reason to be involved.
And, you really should wait for people if there is any reason they would want to respond. Otherwise you get stuff like what happened with Lantz last time. Rider was following Forest, she obviously had reason to react.
So no, I actually think you owe everyone else an apology. Otherwise I'm of the opinion that we should just go on without you in the future regardless, because I fail to see any reason to accept your demands when they're done for such selfish and self centered reasons. Your reaction was not just over reacting a "little."
What, actually wanting to be involved in the RP is selfish? I know you didn't do it intentionally, and I did word it badly, but you still should wait for people. I wait for Elf when it's her turn to post, even if it means I don't get to post again that day.
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Mike, I really don't see why. Why does this interfere? What did what Lancer and Mille did that had to do with Rider at all? I could see if it actually messed with your posting, but you're just going on because we dared to go on without you. There's a difference between waiting because it actually interferes with another person's posting and going on ahead because it shouldn't interfere at all.
I've had to deal with far worse in terms of a backlog in the past, and I hardly ever complained once. Other people have had to deal with far worse, and they have hardly complained. The only reason I objected to lantz's thing was because I thought it'd interfere with my post and make it difficult for me to act. I didn't care that he went ahead of me, it was the barrier itself that upset me, and once he explained that Mille and Lancer could look at the bodies fine, I was OK with it.
I understand it's harder to post because of your time zone, but there's a limit, Mike. The extent you're taking this to is entering the point where it's becoming just whining for the sake of not getting your way, and not because it actually has that much effect on you. Especially when others have to have waited and had to go through far worse backlogs. And that honestly angers me.
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Mike, I really don't see why. Why does this interfere? What did what Lancer and Mille did that had to do with Rider at all? I could see if it actually messed with your posting, but you're just going on because we dared to go on without you. There's a difference between waiting because it actually interferes with another person's posting and going on ahead because it shouldn't interfere at all.
Well, Rider would certainly have been inclined to talk to various people, and to act. Perhaps I am over-reacting slightly, but it is still a pain to deal with.
I've had to deal with far worse in terms of a backlog in the past, and I hardly ever complained once. Other people have had to deal with far worse, and they have hardly complained.
Other people get worse to deal with if they take ages to post, yes. I get this to deal with just by going to bed and getting up in the morning. And, I recall you complaining a lot about it, albeit mostly privately....
The only reason I objected to lantz's thing was because I thought it'd interfere with my post and make it difficult for me to act. I didn't care that he went ahead of me, it was the barrier itself that upset me, and once he explained that Mille and Lancer could look at the bodies fine, I was OK with it.
The problem is that it's difficult to tell if your post is going to affect someone until you make it. Lantz being a good example of that. There's no way he could have known Mille and Lancer would have a possible issue with the barrier.
I understand it's harder to post because of your time zone, but there's a limit, Mike. The extent you're taking this to is entering the point where it's becoming just whining for the sake of not getting your way, and not because it actually has that much effect on you. Especially when others have to have waited and had to go through far worse backlogs. And that honestly angers me.
What "extent"? I made one damn post. You are the one who is going nuts over it, not me.
And, the problem I have is that it happens constantly. When there's a big group around, I end up waking up to a wall of several posts from each player practically every day, and it has caused significant issues before. It also makes it almost impossible for me to have a conversation.
Also, what upset me more than anything here is the response I got. I made a perfectly reasonable request, and I get treated as if I'm a monster for asking for it.
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Okay you two need to knock this off and fuck already
UHM I MEAN UH Discuss this issue like two reasonable adults. Seriously, you two are like, internet bffs, and this is something fairly mild and discussable. Just talk to eachother and let this deflate instead of exploding at each other.
Later you'll laugh about it and go "Ha ha, what a story Mark"
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Later you'll laugh about it and go "Ha ha, what a story Mark"
Points for "The Room" reference!
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nachos no wat u doing ur giving the shippers fuel D:
...I spent way more time typing that than I rightfully should have. ^^"
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Well I have to admit other than the porn we all ought to slow down a bit. It's not about character X affecting Y but rather that running off ahead prevents hooks and hell in a recent example Arch's vampire, it doesn't matter if Satoshi could have gotten there in time maybe he would have or maybe just behind him or maybe not at all but the sheer attempt changes the events in question by actually determining the outcome. The right to act is what's important not the outcome, that's why I waited as long as I did for names before computer virus screwed that up.
if we all wait for each other the game will be slower but all the more rich for all the different interactions.
side note Rin does have a point about Satoshi, I'll say that much, however what she is asking (believe what I say because it doesn't matter what you intended to do) and how (namely screaming at him which really is kinda un Rin imo as I see her using a logic trap or such or hell discussing it over tea) is why he didn't acknowledge it. Shuya called Satoshi on it and was immediately agreed with by Toshi because Shuya did not devalue Satoshi's point.
side side note the older Rin will tease the younger until the younger chills out because she's an old lady and that is how she rolls. She does value the younger's opinion but it is the way it's put that makes the older ignore it, canon Rin be classy yo, class it up, that's how she convinced Saber to stay home in canon and a bunch of other stuff.
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Porn is hard shut up
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I meant Aiden that porn is an obviously private action separate from normal character interaction and therefore can go as fast or slow as players need it to
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Rin didn't scream, she was super Passive aggressive though
which is completely a Rin thing to do, just look at her first encounter with the Shinjinator, lord of sexy hair
wait no that was openly aggressive
anyway it fits
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Passive aggression amounts to the same problem names, as I said Shuya got through because he never devalued Satoshi's intent which Rin did and was ignored for it
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Well I mean you said it was un-rin like and I just meant that the way it was delivered was very much Rin-like
and there was no actual screaming
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OK, I'm not going to get my post done tonight, unfortunately. Rider is going to be following Mille and Lancer, though, so if the people involved with the battle in the kitchen want to keep going I'm fine with that. I'd prefer it if Lancer and Mille would wait, though.
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Okay, how the hell do I start? I'm sorta nervous, I'm joining a ongoing RP. Also, I don't think I can do with the Likes and Dislikes space in the character sheet. Can I replace it with a Background instead?
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Okay, how the hell do I start? I'm sorta nervous, I'm joining a ongoing RP.
Well, however you want. Mooncake started by rushing the compound where most of us are staying. Although, note that Mooncake's character is also now half-dead, and that these two things are not unrelated....
Also, I don't think I can do with the Likes and Dislikes space in the character sheet. Can I replace it with a Background instead?
Well, a background is normal regardless, but there's no reason why you need to follow the sheet layout exactly. It's only a suggestion.
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I don't know when we started using the "Origin:" space to write the backstory in, but that's what we've been using it for. xD
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Honestly, I think that there is no reason why you have to use the sheet in that form. We're just all lazy enough that we can't be bothered to design our own sheet layout....
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There's also the fact that that sheet layout kinda works for all purposes so it doesn't need much adjusting. Some of us add relevant things though, like the Endurance stat.
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It certainly read like that to me names, Rin sounded like she was screaming.
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There's also the fact that that sheet layout kinda works for all purposes so it doesn't need much adjusting. Some of us add relevant things though, like the Endurance stat.
Yeah, that too. I've added a couple of things to some of mine, I think.
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And speaking of stats, don't worry too much about them Ivan, since we aren't really using an uniform scale. Different kinds of characters and from different verses have their stats on scales that aren't all equal to each other.
Writing a short description or reference point for some of the values after picking them should help make them clearer, as a few of us have done inside parenthesis.
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It certainly read like that to me names, Rin sounded like she was screaming.
I didn't see no exclamation points
and really Rin goes into tirades like that often enough in the VN without the VA screaming, I really don't see how you'd read it that way
As for the character sheet, as long as everything is comprehensive it should all be okay. And put down everything you find relevant too, to minimize surprises of the "wait what that wasn't on the sheet" variety.
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Porn is hard shut up
Aren't you adorable.
Mouse, you don't have to have likes or dislikes, but there is an origin space in the character sheet though.
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Same for the way you guys read my posts names, no idea what you read into them .
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10401.html#msg10401 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10401.html#msg10401)
For confirmation on the so called "yelling" thing. Rin doesn't yell once there.
And Mooncake. Please attack with Lucas. Because god damn it, Satoshi. God damn it.
Please, heal the obvious enemy with regenerative powers that destroyed a good chunk of the complex. Clearly he will no longer have any malicious intent whatsoever because clearly that will make him suddenly love everyone in the complex and not want to murder them all.
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Same for the way you guys read my posts names, no idea what you read into them .
Well, I can read in that Satoshi is a fucking idiot.
You are seriously, about to heal someone that it took so much fucking effort to get to that point and has tried to kill people in the compound. You are expecting this to somehow make everything work out just fine.
I'm seriously starting to think that some crazy magic hobo bopped the dude over the head and took over his body.
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He pulled steel out of his body , Satoshi is healing him to the point where he won't bleed out, not back to a hundred percent health. Closing wounds is basic
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He pulled steel out of his body , Satoshi is healing him to the point where he won't bleed out, not back to a hundred percent health. Closing wounds is basic
If you don't want him to bleed out, you don't pull the blades out of his body. For that matter the blades are steel.
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Avalon couldn't heal them, but I might have another way to save them"
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Dude.
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I don't care what you think Arch.
Trying isn't succeeding Daiki, I'm going to discuss it via PM with you later. But Satoshi has to at least try, it's who he is
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Mouse, you don't have to have likes or dislikes, but there is an origin space in the character sheet though.
Um... Is it required?
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...OK. THat wasn't my opinion here - these are basic facts. You don't pull things out of stab wounds without a damn good reason to do so as that could cause even more damage, or kill them as the only thing keeping an artery closed and them from dying in seconds is said object. Furthermore, the swords were stated to be IRON in OPOI's post, and Lucas regenerates. Any additional help in repairing himself makes him far far far more dangerous, as Satoshi should have seen. SO why the hell are you helping someone who both can regenerate, and will try to kill you?!?!?!
If you can't seem to accept that sort of thing, I have no idea why you're playing if you're just going to ignore at least 90% of the stuff in others posts just to try and always be the hero, even when doing so makes things so much worse.
Mouse, you don't have to have likes or dislikes, but there is an origin space in the character sheet though.
Um... Is it required?
What, a background? Yeah. It's required.
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What, a background? Yeah. It's required.
No, man, I'm talking about an origin.
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Leaving someone pinned to the wall with weapons is cruel, Satoshi is not cruel, therefore he'll stop such, simple as that
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Lantz, no offense, but damn, man. Don't pull the restraining iron out of a regenerating super-Elemental that just tried to kill everything inside your home >.>
No, man, I'm talking about an origin.
Background is just another word for your origin story.
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Leaving someone pinned to the wall with weapons is cruel, Satoshi is not cruel, therefore he'll stop such, simple as that
Sure, but when the guy regenerates and they're the only thing preventing that, it's still dumb (especially if you then proceed to heal him so he can fight back). The result could be that they end up having to kill the guy to stop him....
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Can't leave him up there while securing the mode of lock down that is far more secure. The swords are in the way
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Porn is hard shut up
Aren't you adorable.
Correction, good porn is hard.
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No offense meant, Lantz, but that was dumb. Really dumb. Thanks for the opportunity, I suppose >.>
Posted.
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Satoshi is still holding him and did not heal him to any significant degree
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He's holding him with the float spell, yeah. But Lucas is strong, and you restored him to consciousness. He was floating in the air out of reach of attacking, so he did the next best thing.
This is really it, though. He won't be able to really move for the next couple of days.
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No moon cake Satoshi was physically holding him and float is not levitation, it only suspends the target two inches off the surface
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No moon cake Satoshi was physically holding him and float is not levitation, it only suspends the target two inches off the surface
Ah, I see.
Let me fix my post, since I misunderstood the situation a little. (I thought you were just tagging him with a float that suspended him in the air)
There we go, edited.
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OK, firstly what hole in the wall did you throw it out of, and secondly, wouldn't you doing so result in you running into Lancer and Mille (and possibly also Rider)?
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Not to mention that he was facing into the room and would have to wrench away from Satoshi to turn which in his state shouldn't be possible and thus couldn't escape through a hole even if there was one
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Yeah, I think Lantz probably should have had a chance to respond there. You can say "I push someone", you can't say "I push someone and they move back so I can escape".
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OK, firstly what hole in the wall did you throw it out of, and secondly, wouldn't you doing so result in you running into Lancer and Mille (and possibly also Rider)?
The hole that I made when I smashed through the door and wall. Also, I think you guys misunderstood something, though you make a very good point about the pushing thing Mike. What Lucas did was not pushing Satoshi back to run away - he threw the tongue out, and killed himself, thus letting him regenerate from that tongue.
Yeah, I think Lantz probably should have had a chance to respond there. You can say "I push someone", you can't say "I push someone and they move back so I can escape".
Like I said, you make a good point. I think that it makes sense that Satoshi would move back a little - Lucas pushed him away with the strength he had left. I think it's reasonable to assume that Satoshi would move back a little from it, freeing Lucas to throw the tongue and kill himself.
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No, man, I'm talking about an origin.
They're the same thing. Background is an Origin.
I don't mean the Origin like in the Nasuverse sense where Shirou and Archer's is SWORD, but Origin in this sense is their back story.
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OK, firstly what hole in the wall did you throw it out of, and secondly, wouldn't you doing so result in you running into Lancer and Mille (and possibly also Rider)?
The hole that I made when I smashed through the door and wall. Also, I think you guys misunderstood something, though you make a very good point about the pushing thing Mike. What Lucas did was not pushing Satoshi back to run away - he threw the tongue out, and killed himself, thus letting him regenerate from that tongue.
Yeah, I think Lantz probably should have had a chance to respond there. You can say "I push someone", you can't say "I push someone and they move back so I can escape".
Like I said, you make a good point. I think that it makes sense that Satoshi would move back a little - Lucas pushed him away with the strength he had left. I think it's reasonable to assume that Satoshi would move back a little from it, freeing Lucas to throw the tongue and kill himself.
Well, it depends how Toshi is holding him, and ultimately that should really be up to Lantz to determine.
And, as I said, I have a feeling he might have thrown the tongue out where Mille and Lancer are, so he shouldn't just be able to get up and escape.
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Let's see I think I'm still waiting on Arc, Kaiza, and possibly Aiden to post some stuff.
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Aiden's vampire character, Marius, leaped away from the battlefield and vanished in the night with the use of Obfuscate. My vampire noticed, went after him, located him with Auspex, and tried to make him stop by dropping his own stealth and lashing out with predatory aura.
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Ah you see that's why I said possibly I was going to have Mudou charge em but if they ran away I can have him do some other stuff.
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Kyle Teems has been approved.
Daiki, the couple that Forest probably gave him to was either elfin or vampires themselves.
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Exactly, it's up to me to decide my character's reaction, you can't just assume my character fails
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for a doctor he sure seems to not know how to treat people with objects sticking out of them to prevent blood loss death
where did he go to school, the dark ages
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The problem is that we have to be fairly careful about it in your (lantz's) case, since if it were up to you, Toshi would never fail at anything ever except out of plot contrivance. This is why Toshi seems more OP than even, say Tom for instance, despite the former technically supposedly being weaker than the latter, because he always apparently has a solution for every problem and cannot fail unless it's done via contrivance.
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Regardless of whether that is true or not, we still shouldn't decide success or failure on his behalf. If there is an issue with him acting unrealistically, then that is for the GM to handle.
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Exactly, it's up to me to decide my character's reaction, you can't just assume my character fails
No, no, I getcha. I think that what I've done makes sense. Lucas regained conscious due to being healed (even if it was only a little bit) + the iron restraints/swords being removed. I think that him pushing Satoshi back makes sense… besides, he won't really be able to move for a couple of days. Plenty of time to track him down if you so desire >.> (though it'll be hard).
I'm going to wait for Elf's verdict on this one, but if she says you have a point, no hard feelings: I'll edit it.
E: At the very least, I'll probably be taking out the part where he runs off soon (when I can sit down at my computer again)
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Regardless of whether that is true or not, we still shouldn't decide success or failure on his behalf. If there is an issue with him acting unrealistically, then that is for the GM to handle.
Fair enough. I will accept that.
Though I will raise lantz's tendency to want and try and magically solve everyone's problems with his characters to the point where some of their actions have seemed rather contrived with little effort or consequence as an issue, as this does seem to be happening over and over and over again. Having him be able to stop Lucas, who it took Tom (who is quite OP on his own) and Shirou together just to disable, all on his own with no repercussions for his own stupidity in healing Lucas up whatsoever would only emphasize the problem further. The fact that lantz talks quite frequently about wanting to solve other characters' problems in the thread quickly and easily (reviving Daiki's characters for instance) as well proves my point further.
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Well, yes, he certainly shouldn't be able to just restrain Lucas easily. But, then, Lucas is still very weak, even with the healing, so it's not quite so impossible.
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Alice you need to stop cramming words in my mouth, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Alice you need to stop cramming words in my mouth, you have no idea what you are talking about.
...How!?!?
You've been pulling that shit with him since the very start of the RP.
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GM Ruling, honestly for this due to the rules I set up, I would have to say that it needs to be Lucas pushing at Satoshi. Then Satoshi responds.
However, I doubt he'd be able to throw his tongue into some back yard garden. That's sort of pushing it. Forest, as previously said, lives in a more industrial side of town not near any suburbs.
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If he wants to kill himself though, he should be able to do that rather easily.
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If he wants to kill himself though, he should be able to do that rather easily.
True that, but he's not going to be able to do it in a place where he can reasonably respawn though.
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GM Ruling, honestly for this due to the rules I set up, I would have to say that it needs to be Lucas pushing at Satoshi. Then Satoshi responds.
However, I doubt he'd be able to throw his tongue into some back yard garden. That's sort of pushing it. Forest, as previously said, lives in a more industrial side of town not near any suburbs.
Yeah, I'd say I agree with this. The tongue being thrown into someone's backyard did seem a bit far, but it definitely makes sense that Lucas would be able to move faster than Toshi could counter, especially being as powerful as he seems to be.
Though in terms of locations, based on how I have it mapped out in my head, it'd fly in the opposite direction of where Lancer and Mille are looking at poor Ruu's body, as mentally I figured that the two holes are on different sides of the building. ...If I'm wrong on that though, either Magos or Daiki can straighten that out for me, since they were the main ones involved in that fight (the one upstairs that is). ^^"
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GM Ruling, honestly for this due to the rules I set up, I would have to say that it needs to be Lucas pushing at Satoshi. Then Satoshi responds.
However, I doubt he'd be able to throw his tongue into some back yard garden. That's sort of pushing it. Forest, as previously said, lives in a more industrial side of town not near any suburbs.
K, gotcha. Gonna make those edits.
E: And done :)
Danke. That works a lot better.
No problem.
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Danke. That works a lot better.
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Just a quick shoutout to OPOI, Mooncake edited his post so he's no longer doing the tongue thing. ^^"
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Posted
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And Forest reminds everyone that she isn't someone to piss off.
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Aaaand posted. Jack doesn't look too hot, but at least his body can support its own weight now. You probably don't want to make him do any sort of strenuous work though.
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I'll wait a bit to see if Kaiza wants to post anything before posting myself.
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Okay, last question: Do I post the character sheets or do I send them to the GM?
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I'll probably won't post today (was busy today, and it's too late now ^^; ), so go ahead if you want Mil. :)
I'll be posting my part tomorrow.
EDIT: Well, you can post it in the character thread, and Elf will eventually tell you if the character's approved or not. :)
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Alright, posted my character sheets. I triple-posted because all three didn't fit in one post.
Man, this is going to suck both for me and Ma'am Elf.
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Welp.
Time to make a post, then Lucas will be out of it for a while >.>
(At the very most, one more after this post will be his limit)
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Well, I'm imagine that, once he's secured, Toshi will heal him properly and then we'll start asking him what the fuck he's doing....
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Well, I'm imagine that, once he's secured, Toshi will heal him properly and then we'll start asking him what the fuck he's doing....
Right now Forest is going to rip that information from his head one way or another.
Also Mouse, the Trio has been approved.
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Yeah, I guess she is really not very happy right now. Particularly since she thinks he killed Isa and Nessa.
Although, what Forest is doing is nothing compared to what Rider would do if she thought that....
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Before anyone asks, yes Boble and I are working together on this for the most part sharing posts to speed things along.
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Hmm, the "month passing" thing seems a bit odd, although I guess we can just hand-wave it a bit....
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Well it wouldn't be fun if Bloble and myself had to wait thirty rp days before taking any action we'd be there for the next 2 years in real time.
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Well, lol, yes, true. It would be easier to reconcile if you'd not interacted with anyone else yet, I guess, but meh.
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Man, Lucas is a dick >.>
Next post, he's gonna be out like a light, even if Forest miraculously (and unrealistically) backs off.
Working on my second character.
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Might I just go back to something for a second: while Divine Protection does protect against faery illusions and whatnot, that description is not actually on the character sheet so Satoshi shouldn't have seen Jack, because it doesn't say he could anywhere on the sheet. Which was one thing a bunch of people agreed on and I was insistent about.
Edit your sheets, Lantz. Put descriptions behind certain things so people know what they do, or don't complain when people say you can't do something that the sheet doesn't say you can.
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I sometimes worry about putting too much detail in my sheets, then I remember more detail is better than none.
And yeah, there are things that can be easily inferred (you can probably assume a powerful mage is at the very least reasonable, if not great at sensing magic and supernatural powers being used), but others need to be clearly defined, or at least expanded upon.
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In this case it wasn't his magus status that allowed his detection, but rather a very specific gimmick.
One with no explanation and just a title. Oh, and the way he got it.
It doesn't beg clarification, it demands it. We can't have stuff like this appear out of nowhere when it's convenient more than it already has, because the last few times(Raul sneak attack, for example) there were justified calls of "bullshit", and nobody likes a shitstorm.
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Oh I agree with you.
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Might I just go back to something for a second: while Divine Protection does protect against faery illusions and whatnot, that description is not actually on the character sheet so Satoshit shouldn't have seen Jack, because it doesn't say he could anywhere on the sheet. Which was one thing a bunch of people agreed on and I was insistent about.
Well, by that definition Toshi shouldn't be able to do just about anything, because it's not explained in enough detail on his sheet. Which, yes, does imply he should give more detail....
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well obviously not dumbshit stuff like "breathing" and "eating", or the extensive list of spells he's capable of, but at LEAST what is already there should be, you know, actually explained. There are a bunch of random titles on the Satoshi sheet, for example, that have no explanation whatsoever.
Like divine protection.
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Are my profiles good? I think I don't really need to explain much about Caster but the other 5 are a little vague as to what they can do.
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Caster's the only one with random titles with no explanation, but everyone knows how she works already. Just in case someone later comes along who doesn't though, just be prepared to edit/explain on demand.
I mean we never know, right? Tsuki-only fans exist.
Somewhere.
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To Bloble: I'm sorry this one took so long. It gave me writer's block from hell to figure out how to word and order everything.
To everyone else: I'll respond to whatever I might be involved in that needs me to respond, shortly.
Completely off topic, but on topic for what's going on already: Yeah, better not to just assume that everyone has read the fine details of Caster's abilities.
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I did it, YOLF >.>
Second and last character, at least for a while.
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Yes, you did, and I really like how you handled him. 8D
Speaking of characters, I have seven sheets made already. And two as work in progress. 0.õ
That moment when you realize you're that MMO player that makes as many characters of different Race/Class combinations as possible and then only really plays two or three of them.
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Yes, you did, and I really like how you handled him. 8D
Speaking of characters, I have seven character made already. And two as work in progress. 0.õ
That moment when you realize you're that MMO player that makes as many characters of different Race/Class combinations as possible and then only really plays two or three of them.
Thanks :D
And I know that feel >.>
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Other than divine protection and immunity to the elements being somewhat less than optimally explained the rest seems straight forward
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Less than optimally explained?
They're just plain not explained at all. "Less than optimally" would be:
Divine Protection: It protects from some stuff
What we have is:
divine protection
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Ok whatever, you want to ignore me then fine
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Dude, there is no less optimal way to explain something than not explaining it at all. Immunity to the elements isn't even what it's description fucking suggests!
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Well if you want to be known as the guy who can't make an RP sheet worth shit, then fine. Proceed as you are.
Just don't complain when people say "What the fuck that wasn't even on the sheet" and call you out on your bullshit like you're used to complaining vigorously about, because my response to you complaining will be "Well you brought it onto yourself. I warned you about this, too, so zero sympathy."
Seriously not explaining at all does not equal "Well it wasn't the best explanation". It's like saying a teacher who never showed up to class gave a poor class: He just didn't fucking give one.
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Posting this in parts again. Not too satisfied with how the first part came out, but eh.
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Lantz, maybe the best thing would be to elaborate on all of Satoshi's abilities and what they can do.
I mean, compared to everyone else's sheets, yours are rather sparse.
Also, Wander approved!
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I got hit by the drawing bunnies while planning out my next character sheet, sketched him, so I decided to share the result with you guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/gNiZAo2.jpg?1)
Oh muse of mine, why can't you whip me into finishing all the incomplete writing pieces I have as opposed to this!
That said, I think it came out rather well.
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Lantz, maybe the best thing would be to elaborate on all of Satoshi's abilities and what they can do.
I mean, compared to everyone else's sheets, yours are rather sparse.
Also, Wanderer approved!
Wooo!
I'll have a post by tomorrow, for both Wanderer and Lucas
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As I said only those two abilities are unclear elf. I'll edit later.
Alice you can't simply rip Lucas from Satoshi's grasp. Edit, please
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are you saying satoshi outmuscles Mewtwo's psychic powers without the rider arm?
Excuse me I'll just be over here dousing myself in cheap vodka and rum and giggling fanatically while wearing this ash ketchum cap
Don't you wish you were stronk like this other Satoshi, Satoshi? Then the first movie could have ended with you somehow punching mewtwo in the face instead of having kids make fruit loop jokes about that guy's dinosaur the entire time.
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It's a Mewtwo we're talking about here. And he didn't even try to affect Satoshi himself, so any kind of supernatural resistance he has wouldn't prevent it from happening.
So I'd say, anyways.
Also what Names said. Damn, you reply fast bro.
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Doesn't matter names, I have the right to react
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are you saying satoshi outmuscles Mewtwo's psychic powers without the rider arm?
No, he's saying that that is his choice to make, not Alice's. Possibly you can argue he can't prevent it from happening, but I don't think you can say he couldn't react at all.
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In that case start by asking, "let Satoshi react to Tom pulling Lucas away with his psychic powers before you do anything else" and not "you can't simply rip Lucas from Satoshi's grasp".
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He doesn't have to rip Lucas out of Satoshi's hands. Just lift up Lucas, and Satoshi will be lifted up too unless he let's go, unless he arbitrarily has gravity control super powers now.
Oh, and THE EARTHMOTHER IS NEAR
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He doesn't have to rip Lucas out of Satoshi's hands. Just lift up Lucas, and Satoshi will be lifted up too unless he let's go, unless he arbitrarily has gravity control super powers now.
Oh, and THE EARTHMOTHER IS NEAR
My old bones ache.
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Well if you want I could give some more detail to the stuff Caster can do or has done I'll just write it up and re-edit my post but really as much flak as i gets the Type Moon wiki is alright to just look up the basics for them. I'll spoil it for now because it could get a little long.
First off unless you have a MR rank of B or higher then most of her spells are gonna hit you pretty hard, you can resist them with C or lower but it's not gonna be very effective. (Think Emiya with his MR rank of D could barely talk when frozen in one of her freeze spells.)
Her best ability probably comes from the fact that she has HSDW which allows her to pretty much completely destroy most all modern magi. (Even Rin with her jewel's that had a years worth of magical energy is stated to only be able to block just three of Caster spells, one if she needs to cancel it out completely. Also when tried to overpower Caster with 3 jewels she just swallowed it up with ease in her cape.)
She has at least 3 A-ranked spells strong enough to get through Berserker's skin and can create a barrier equal to his skin in strength. But she also is able to use all sorts of status effect types spells such as the Heavy Gravity spell that she uses against Berserker that allowed Sasaki to tie with him in battle.
Of course the really big stuff such as her mega beam requires something like her base to power but even without that she can do a whole bunch of stuff that makes her a formidable opponent. (Remember how she tricks Saber and stabs her with Rule Breaker even after losing her base and such.)
Her magic is fundamentally different from modern magic and because of this even if a modern magi wanted to counter her spells they'd be unable to unless they got outside help. (Think wen Shirou got mind controlled by her and he couldn't do anything about it.
She's a magic user on the level of True Magic able to do such things as teleportation, creation of something just like a Reality Marble, and calling the Holy Grail War nothing but a neat parlor trick. (There's actually a lot of evidence that she'd be able to ignore the corruption or control it altogether though she never got the chance at least as far as we see.) Depending on your opinion of U/C she was able to use the incomplete Grail to revive Kuzuki.
By throwing some of her bone pieces on the ground she able to spawn more so many in fact that Saber would rather Excalibur them then fight them all due to their amount. And though she can't use it she does have her Dragon summoning NP. (Though due to the nature of this RP if she allies herself with someone able to use dragon summoning she'd be able to.)
Finally her two class skill Item Creation and Territory Creation, her Item Creation at it's best can create Fake Immortality Potions and Mystic Codes strong enough to make Kayneth's Mercury Blob seem like a kid's toy. (Though she chose not to do that in FSN instead choosing to focus on strengthening her base. Really that Kuzuki Protection Charm that he gets in CP wasn't that far off the bat to what she could do.)
And her Territory Creation, we see most of that in FSN though it wasn't actually completed in FSN, if it had been it would probably resemble something close to what we saw in the Deen anime with the whole Greek Temples and such as well as the nasty NP lowering and only one entrance and stuff.
Of course this is only a slightly more explained summary really so long as it's not True Magic (Dimensional Travel, Time Travel, and Soul Transferring, as well as whatever the unknown ones do.) she could most likely do it, the only thing she can't do is heal other people, she can heal herself just not others.
If you have any questions or want any more I can see what I can do, but that's mostly just off the top of my head.
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Well, it's less of a problem for canon characters because we know what they're capable of.
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I know, but Aiden was asking for a more detailed explanation so I delivered.
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Suddenly I'm okay with mewtwo flinging around an angry berserking elemental and an added idort clinging on to the elemental because he forgot how to react for a few seconds
"Oh blimey this is quite a pickle," he says, hair swooshing in the wind as he keep a hold on Lucas's body.
This is hilarious, actually. Maybe it's the rumdka talking, or whateveer people call that mix, but this is the best Satoshi moment so far
I take back everything bad I ever said about him, he's a hoot
It makes me "Take heart, young one"
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Edited so there's a chance that he yanks both up into the air because three people I deem cool have suggested it. Plus the image of Toshi being stupid enough to cling on is hilarious.
...I will say this though. Honestly, I think lantz should consider himself lucky he's still allowed to even RP in this RP. Because Christ.
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He doesn't have to rip Lucas out of Satoshi's hands. Just lift up Lucas, and Satoshi will be lifted up too unless he let's go, unless he arbitrarily has gravity control super powers now.
Oh, and THE EARTHMOTHER IS NEAR
My old bones ache.
May the eternal sun shine upon thee.
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Lantz, could you please be a bit nicer when asking people to edit?
Just tacking "Please" on to it doesn't always work. I've noticed that you've done this a couple of times.
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Posted.
Haha, I've lost my touch with these characters a bit.
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I demand you edit your sheet Alice please
I need to know what Tom had for breakfast
it's important
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I demand you edit your sheet Alice please
I need to know what Tom had for breakfast
it's important
He had Forest for breakfast. Delicious vampire was delicious.
RIMSHOT!
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He had Forest for breakfast. Delicious vampire was delicious.
RIMSHOT!
BA DUM TSS (http://instantrimshot.com)
Posted.
Haha, I've lost my touch with these characters a bit.
Hey, at least for now the immortal trio has it easier than dealing with a chuunibyou half-youkai magus trying to foist a crazy impractical possessed gun that doesn't even have consistent mechanics onto them!
*wink*
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edited toms character page for very important details
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Hey, at least for now the immortal trio has it easier than dealing with a chuunibyou half-youkai magus trying to foist a crazy impractical possessed gun that doesn't even have consistent mechanics onto them!
*wink*
Who let the shopkeeper from RE4 in here
And thank you alice, now you can truly become a god among us
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By throwing some of her bone pieces on the ground she able to spawn more so many in fact that Saber would rather Excalibur them then fight them all due to their amount.
Because it simply takes time to strike them one by one while her Master could be attacked by Caster herself. Basically, it's because of the situation that she wanted to blast them to oblivion. We're talking about weak familiars which can be struck down with reinforced wood(manipulated by human strength to make it worse).
And though she can't use it she does have her Dragon summoning NP.(Though due to the nature of this RP if she allies herself with someone able to use dragon summoning she'd be able to.)
It's stated that the dragon is extremely weak, though. And she can't even ride it.
She's a magic user on the level of True Magic able to do such things as teleportation
Within her territory only.
creation of something just like a Reality Marble
Close to it but it requires time. It's not something as convenient in its application as a RM. Would prove difficult to use for battle purpose unless she manages to lure people in.
calling the Holy Grail War nothing but a neat parlor trick.
Doesn't say much since we don't really know if she implies a comparison with past rituals from the AoG or only her saying she could do better by herself. I am inclined to consider the former more probable than the latter.
Note: What Aoko does, isn't time travel. You can already achieve this through the Second.
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Because it simply takes time to strike them one by one while her Master could be attacked by Caster herself. Basically, it's because of the situation that she wanted to blast them to oblivion. We're talking about weak familiars which can be struck down with reinforced wood(manipulated by human strength to make it worse).
Considering she has enough to completely surround the Emiya household without the aid of her base and she can summon them so quickly they can catch Saber in a trap they are pretty darn good. (Other random facts about them are that they each have earth and dragon attributes.) The Emiya household is pretty huge and to surround it is a whole lot of bone warriors.
It's stated that the dragon is extremely weak, though. And she can't even ride it.
No that's just Mcjon always knocking my posts down with pointless thoughts, it's stated that it's not very strong, the fact of the matter is that it's still a Dragon and a real one not like Nrvnqsr's chaos one, it's good enough to move her from weak Servant to medium Servant a pretty large thing when you take into comparison what that means for a Servant. She doesn't need to ride it, (Though I will bring in that dragon chariot she borrows from her grandfather.) she just needs to control it which she can do if she summons it. (Of course like I mentioned she can't do that right now but if she gets help from a summoner she could.)
Within her territory only.
Except she did it outside her territory like when she summoned herself over to Kuzuki in UBW, and even possibly when she summoned Shirou over to her in Fate.
Close to it but it requires time. It's not something as convenient in its application as a RM. Would prove difficult to use for battle purpose unless she manages to lure people in.
Considering the nature of Caster that wouldn't be as hard as you think. (Just think of how many times people were forced to go invade her temple under her advantage.)
Doesn't say much since we don't really know if she implies a comparison with past rituals from the AoG or only her saying she could do better by herself. I am inclined to consider the former more probable than the latter.
I suppose we will just have to disagree here then.
Note: What Aoko does, isn't time travel. You can already achieve this through the Second.
Of course I don't know exactly what Aoko could do, I am intentionally keeping myself in the dark so that I can play the game when it comes out.
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Damn, my post disappeared -_-. W/e I'll just cut to the points.
1/It's more a testimony of her own large reserves than the effectiveness/quality of the bone warriors. Yeah, she can summon a lot of them but they don't seem to cost all that much energy. She can still put them to good use as decoys though. I'm sure she could, with time, raise a legion of them.
2/No, it's stated somewhere in CM. I'll look for it. Here;
Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Noble Phantasms, p.134
Q: If Caster had a skill (dragon summoning skill) that let her use the Golden Fleece, would she be able to escape the rank of being the weakest Servant? Also, will the spirit in the Golden Fleece ever see the light of day? He's cute so I wanted to see him in color.
A: She'd move up to the middle rank, I think. Oh, but, the Colchis dragon isn't that strong right.
Still, it's a Phantasmal Beast. I do think she's good without it anyway.
3/Nah, Fuyuki became her territory, which means she can deploy it on a large area in a short time. I don't know how big the Nexus is but it should still be bigger than Shirou's town.
4/Oh I'm not discussing her qualifications nor how much efforts it would require. Simply, it's not something as easy to use. (And again preparations are needed)
Then, the means to bring PCs to enter it, is up to you.
5/And that's fine. It's only me raising the possibility.
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3/Nah, Fuyuki became her territory, which means she can deploy it on a large area in a short time. I don't know how big the Nexus is but it should still be bigger than Shirou's town.
Erm, no, Fuyuki isn't her territory. If that was the case then Territory Creation would be insanely broken, since it lets you essentially control everywhere the battle might take place.
Also, I get the impression that Fuyuki is a decent-sized city, although admittedly probably not as large as the Nexus.
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1/It's more a testimony of her own large reserves than the effectiveness/quality of the bone warriors. Yeah, she can summon a lot of them but they don't seem to cost all that much energy. She can still put them to good use as decoys though. I'm sure she could, with time, raise a legion of them.
My point was that she already had an army of them even without any outside just herself and her own surplus, and the amount was so much that Saber would rather use her trump card then fight them head on.
2/No, it's stated somewhere in CM. I'll look for it. Here;
Fate/complete material III: World material - FAQ with Nasu: Noble Phantasms, p.134
Q: If Caster had a skill (dragon summoning skill) that let her use the Golden Fleece, would she be able to escape the rank of being the weakest Servant? Also, will the spirit in the Golden Fleece ever see the light of day? He's cute so I wanted to see him in color.
A: She'd move up to the middle rank, I think. Oh, but, the Colchis dragon isn't that strong right.
Still, it's a Phantasmal Beast. I do think she's good without it anyway.
Which just says exactly what I said, that it's not that strong. But it's still a Dragon from the AoG.
3/Nah, Fuyuki became her territory, which means she can deploy it on a large area in a short time. I don't know how big the Nexus is but it should still be bigger than Shirou's town.
The entirety of Fuyuki is actually a part of her territory, remember if she wanted too she could have drained the entire city dry she just didn't want too as that would draw too much attention.
4/Oh I'm not discussing her qualifications nor how much efforts it would require. Simply, it's not something as easy to use. (And again preparations are needed)
Then, the means to bring PCs to enter it, is up to you.
Considering she had less then 30 days and managed to pretty much put the entire city under control she did an amazing job with what she had, if she focused something like this does seem possible. (Using Territory Creation, as well as A rank Item creation to create the materials needed for the ritual.
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Erm, no, Fuyuki isn't her territory. If that was the case then Territory Creation would be insanely broken, since it lets you essentially control everywhere the battle might take place.
Nah, it becomes her 'territory' because she's able to use the leylines to her advantage. It is not an effect of her Territory Creation. Only her messing with the energy running through the town. (Territory Creation would be something akin to what she has in the Deen anime)
Also, I get the impression that Fuyuki is a decent-sized city, although admittedly probably not as large as the Nexus.
Yes, it has to be pretty big. (The bridge actually splits two towns inside Fuyuki itself but whatever)
Considering she had less then 30 days and managed to pretty much put the entire city under control she did an amazing job with what she had, if she focused something like this does seem possible. (Using Territory Creation, as well as A rank Item creation to create the materials needed for the ritual.
Well, take in account that even if she found a knot of energy(or whatever you want to call it), remember that Fuyuki was a particularly rich territory. (The whole reason to have the HGW happening there in the first place) I doubt the Nexus could provide the same quantity of energy as fast. You have plenty of time to store up though.
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That bar sure is getting crowded with powerful people.
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That bar sure is getting crowded with powerful people.
The reason for me doing that may have started with me wanting to make "A Horseman, a Faerie, and an evil spirit walk into a bar..." jokes >.>
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The reason for me doing that may have started with me wanting to make "A Horseman, a Faerie, and an evil spirit walk into a bar..." jokes >.>
I'm expecting an amusing punchline. 8P
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And then Henderson walks in smoking the necronomicon.
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I'm expecting an amusing punchline. 8P
I'll tell you when I think of one ;P
Waiting on Lantz before Lucas post so I can determine what Satoshi is doing >.>
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I shall wait another day or two for Kaiza to respond in some way or else I'll have to move on.
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Looks like I've cornered myself into nothingness right from the start, eh?
Halp.
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I wouldn't worry too much, I'm sure either someone will either find your characters or you'll figure something out. :)
And Mille post done! Honestly, I think it came out a hell of a lot better than my last one.
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...I don't think having giantdad invade and fight you would actually help in any way, so I got nothing.
Sorry Ivan.
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Well, Jack could run into them, but that'd be stretching it.
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Oh, for Christ's sake, Magos, Rider is there too you know. You wait days for Alice to post, but yet you can't wait even 15 minutes for me....
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Don't worry, I'll have Neo create his incidents. Maybe that would attract attention.
But as for me, I'm going to take a little rest.
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Oh, for Christ's sake, Magos, Rider is there too you know. You wait days for Alice to post, but yet you can't wait even 15 minutes for me....
For christ sakes Mike, just deal with it, I've been waiting days for you and Alice.
And it isn't that much to deal with or react to. IT'S TWO FUCKING SENTENCES.
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Oh, for Christ's sake, Magos, Rider is there too you know. You wait days for Alice to post, but yet you can't wait even 15 minutes for me....
For christ sakes Mike, just deal with it, I've been waiting days for you and Alice.
I was fucking waiting for her, that's why. Because, unlike you, I actually show courtesy to other players. I could have posted, but I didn't because doing so would have been unfair on Alice.
And, if you can wait days for her without posting, why is waiting another couple of hours for me such a problem?
And it isn't that much to deal with or react to. IT'S TWO FUCKING SENTENCES.
Yes, that is true, but there are plenty of times in the past where that has not been the case, and there are things in your last post that I need to reply to.
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I'm honestly going to ask for GM action on what just happened with the Caster/SPOILER collaboration even though I normally wouldn't, and ask that this so called "Event" be called off.
If you guys are going to plan something this freaking big to happen in the RP, at least have the decency to check with the other players involved first to see if they're even up for it, especially if there's been a hell ton of drama on their end. Because god damn did we really not need this now.
There's been enough of a endless slog of drama in this very discussion thread that never seems to ever fucking end. I don't need the same miserable experience in the RP.
Because it's not the nature of the event itself, or the risk it puts my characters in, or even the scale. Or even the fact that it's occurred directly after several major big dramatic events (though the last one does factor into it a bit). It's the timing, particularly with how it's happened after so much drama has happened both in here and in the RP itself.
What happened with Daiki's characters and Lucas was still manageable. This apartment assault thing is not. Not with what's happened recently both inside the RP and out of it. Hell, this is more endgame stuff than something you shove into the first day.
It doesn't help that there was hardly any buildup prior to it. I know big stuff happens by surprise IRL too and yadda yadda yadda, but again, with the timing of this, there really seriously needed to be some sort of prior warning beforehand.
I'm sorry to blow this up so big, but I'm honestly tired of this RP stressing me out so god damn much, and I don't need the RP itself reflecting it. At least let me limit my stress within the RP somewhat, if nothing else. Because I'm tired of the stress, I'm tired of the fighting. I honestly am. And quite frankly I'm nearly to the point where I'm not willing to tolerate it anymore.
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Posted again.
I guess I have no choice for now.
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Yo Bloble, Mil, need details on the attack. Exactly who are the targets? I assume the castle is me but I dunno about the other two.
also they are medea's dragon tooth golems yes? If so do either of the two of you mind if Satoshi flattens them halting the apartment attack?
I would like to succeed without insulting crap to read through or deflecting murder attempts for once.
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I'm not entirely sure how these guys have been standing outside the compound for 24 hours just watching when most of us weren't even there 24 hours ago.
And, yeah, this is not meant to be a war RP, it would be nice to actually have some time where we could do something other than fighting....
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Bloble and Mil, I really don't think right now is a good time to attack the compound. I really, really don't.
We just got through with one fight; but honestly, if you want to go through with the fight it's going to be a slaughter.
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Yo Bloble, Mil, need details on the attack. Exactly who are the targets? I assume the castle is me but I dunno about the other two.
also they are medea's dragon tooth golems yes? If so do either of the two of you mind if Satoshi flattens them halting the apartment attack?
I would like to succeed without insulting crap to read through or deflecting murder attempts for once.
See, first problem with this: how would Suetoshi know about the attack. Second problem: why does Suetoshi alone have to be the one who does it? Lancer, Rider, Mille and Jack are already outside. While Jack is useless in a fight at the moment, the other three should be able to handle them. That's the problem with you Lantz, you always want your Sue/Plot Devices to solve everything for everyone ever.
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Not your business Arch
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Yeah it's not your business Arch, if my character can somehow flatten an entire small army in a way that inconveniences absolutely no one he is allied with, he CAN.
Because obviously they are all coming in a SINGLE FILE LINE, like real armies do.
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Yeah it's not your business Arch, if my character can somehow flatten an entire small army in a way that inconveniences absolutely no one he is allied with, he CAN.
Because obviously they are all coming in a SINGLE FILE LINE, like real armies do.
OK I had to laugh at this. Because honestly that's a good point, they won't be coming in a single file line.
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Didn't Bloble and Mil do a week-long skip? So wouldn't this attack happen in a week's time? Or am I just remembering it wrong?
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Sorry but you'll have to wait a while, I want to talk to Bloble a bit before I talk about anything else. (We are a team on this after all.)
And we did a one month skip not just a week.
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Sorry but you'll have to wait a while, I want to talk to Bloble a bit before I talk about anything else. (We are a team on this after all.)
And we did a one month skip not just a week.
Ah, I see. So this is happening a month after Lucas does his thing. Makes sense, I guess.
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So, in thirty real-time years.
I guess we can all relax, folks.
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Because we are merciful and shit, the apartment attack will technically occur the moment all this business with Lucas is sorted out and finished, giving you plenty of time to deal with that clusterfuck before having to deal with another one. Calling for GM action on it is dumb, period. The entire situation at the apartment has always been one big thing after another constantly happening, with maybe five minute breaks before DRAMA or FIGHTING and ARGUMENTS. This fits in line with that perfectly. You were fine with a crazed killer showing up completely at random and wrecking everyone, as well as one of your own PCs literally turning homicidal for no reason, so a little probing force should be nothing compared to that.
Actually, you should've expected it. You guys have been making the loudest show ever at that apartment all night, right after slaughtering almost a hundred vampires all over the city. A reactionary attack isn't strange, it's perfectly normal, even if just as a revenge thing.
It's not exactly endgame content either, because it's literally just a bunch of mooks. Not even a hundred of 'em, either. The attack is meant less to kill you guys than it is to get you to, I dunno, do stuff. Satoshi could literally flatten them all in less than five minutes, and that's perfectly fine. Perhaps you just overestimated it based on how awesome my post was.
As for why the camera's been there, that's because it's watching Forest, not you guys. The Law Unto Herself is a big name in Nexus, and SPOILER/Medea have had plenty of time to know the big players in the city. You people showing up did cause them to hasten the attack, but it was always going to happen, with Forest being the primary target.
BTW lantz, you can choose how effective the castle attack is. Feel free to lolnope the attempt to break the door and to have all the warriors instakilled by your knights. These guys are meant to be killed, not to be an actual threat. Same with the apartment. Just getting info on Satoshi would be enough for Medea and SPOILER.
Oh, and as for the one month thing, it's basically that SPOILER and Medea have been in Nexus for an entire month before your characters showed up. This isn't to be hax or unfair. Simply put, a villain is always more dangerous if it's been given a chance to establish its forces and gain a foothold on the city. Thus, the month timeskip was necessary.
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Though I have no bearing on this situation one way or another, I agree with Bloble. A reactionary attack makes a lot of sense.
Oh, and as for the one month thing, it's basically that SPOILER and Medea have been in Nexus for an entire month before your characters showed up. This isn't to be hax or unfair. Simply put, a villain is always more dangerous if it's been given a chance to establish its forces and gain a foothold on the city. Thus, the month timeskip was necessary.
Oh, I see. That's a clever thing to do, but wouldn't it draw attention to yourself as well? Then again, that'll be interesting, having a big villain to fight against/react to >.>
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Ok bloble, I'll get to that today or tomorrow.
yo mil, since you are up on caster and I may be misremembering it. What are the dragon tooth golems made of? Wasn't it bits of dragon bone?
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They are basically earth spirits with a dragon affinity.
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Ok that's what I was thinking of, thank you milbunk
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Though I have no bearing on this situation one way or another, I agree with Bloble. A reactionary attack makes a lot of sense.
Oh, I see. That's a clever thing to do, but wouldn't it draw attention to yourself as well? Then again, that'll be interesting, having a big villain to fight against/react to >.>
It would, except that theoretically, no one should be able to recognize what the attackers are or where they're coming from. No one will talk, or indeed can talk, and even if someone recognizes the golems there's no way to use them to find us. We've got several hidden bases, augmented by AoG magic, and have been living in the Nexus long enough to know most of its alleys. This was essentially a calculated risk. Sure it can backfire, but we can't stay in hiding forever.
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Toshi would recognise them, he knows Medea. And Lancer might, I can't recall if he ever saw them in UBW.
Whether they can trace them back to her is another matter, though.
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Satoshi can make them march back to Medea, it flattens the offensive, Alter and the knights will be smashing grins
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Satoshi can make them march back to Medea, it flattens the offensive, Alter and the knights will be smashing grins
And how's he going to do that? If you cite that elemental spirit contract, I'll have to remind you that it takes more than that to overturn AoG magecraft.
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So glad I have nothing to do with the mess going on right now.
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Satoshi can make them march back to Medea, it flattens the offensive, Alter and the knights will be smashing grins
And how's he going to do that? If you cite that elemental spirit contract, I'll have to remind you that it takes more than that to overturn AoG magecraft.
Well, Toshi is a dragon, so it makes sense he could influence them. Not entirely sure why he can send them back, though....
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It's like a magnet with the affinities. This in addition to Medea's lack of presence at the scene gives him enough leverage to banish them back to Medea. I should stress that's the extent of his ability in this respect
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Since I said my piece already and doing so again would probably give me a worse headache than I already have, I'll just say this.
I think in the future it should be enforced via GM that this type of big shit be actually asked about to the other players. There's this thing called courtesy that apparently you actually have to enforce these days rather than just expect it.
Again, the timing is terrible, there's been endless fighting shit already, and quite frankly the RP's turning into a slog to play between the drama and all the damn fighting. Because both are endless. And waiting until the Lucas event is over isn't so much "merciful" because it's still leading up into the slog.
For that matter, I honestly think things should be more strictly moderated via GM from this point forward. Because I'm honestly really getting sick of this shit. Really sick of it.
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Since I said my piece already and doing so again would probably give me a worse headache than I already have, I'll just say this.
I think in the future it should be enforced via GM that this type of big shit be actually asked about to the other players. There's this thing called courtesy that apparently you actually have to enforce these days rather than just expect it.
Again, the timing is terrible, there's been endless fighting shit already, and quite frankly the RP's turning into a slog to play between the drama and all the damn fighting. Because both are endless. And waiting until the Lucas event is over isn't so much "merciful" because it's still leading up into the slog.
For that matter, I honestly think things should be more strictly moderated via GM from this point forward. Because I'm honestly really getting sick of this shit. Really sick of it.
Agreed. Really. This shit is getting out of hand.
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The biggest hole I can think about for that plan is that I'm fairly sure your character doesn't know exactly how the Golems were created since they were made via AoG magic, however who's to say they were made at the base at all? Medea could have just given some random vampire the bones readied them for use and have him activate them far away in a different location, and if you could still do so she could probably just cancel the connection from afar, I don't think distance for her is that big an issue what with being able to do stuff like Mind Control Shirou from his house.
I did ask Elf a while back for permission to do some of Caster's stuff and she said it was alright just ask before we do anything really dramatic which we haven't done really yet. (Unless I suppose you think 100 bone warriors and a few mind controlled vampires is way too much.)
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The problem with your post, Alice, is that you assume this is some big thing. It isn't. Some cannon fodder is being thrown at you, and it's something Satoshi or really any Servant could easily deal with in five minutes. If you're still doubtful, I can always make it more like a dozen skeleton warriors instead, just to show you how inconsequential this all is.
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Ehh, it's just Caster's mook golems that she's sending, so I wouldn't say this is anything too big. It'll sure leave every character affected a lot to think about, sure, but...
In the end I think it's something that can be cleared up rather quickly.
Also, wow, between Frost, Downy, and Medea there sure are a lot of villains scheming around here.
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I feel kinda weird controlling 2 of those three, though I suppose for all you guys know Medea ain't no villain yet. (I guess all this villain using is thanks to you guys asking for more stuff to fight way back in August.)
Also if Kaiza doesn't post by the end of today I'll go ahead and post my stuff. (Thanks guys for being so patient on that side of things I realize it goes kinda slow cause I have to wait for everyone to finish posting.)
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...Actually, that was just Mord. ^^" No one else was really asking for it.
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Hm... actually, yeah, I'm lowering the number to a dozen or so. Even IC, attacking with that many is stupid if it's just a scouting force.
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Works for me, your the head of this particular attack after all lol.
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And that's Chaotic Good.
Only three more characters to go, and the alignment challenge is complete. I'm just missing Chaotic Neutral, Neutral Evil, and Lawful Good.
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Am I seriously losing here? This... this is unacceptable!
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The biggest hole I can think about for that plan is that I'm fairly sure your character doesn't know exactly how the Golems were created since they were made via AoG magic, however who's to say they were made at the base at all?
If you're talking about Toshi, then he does actually know Medea, so it's not unreasonable to assume he would know what the Dragon Teeth Warriors were.
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Knowing what they are and being able to understand how they work are completely different, Shirou could have known all about Medea's mind control and could have studied it for years, however that prolly still wouldn't have done anything when it happened.
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Well, he's not going to be able to create one, no, but he probably knows the basics of how they're formed and what they're made of. Medea isn't an enemy of his, so it's plausible she would have discussed some of it and possibly even taught him some magic (although I would imagine he'd have to have provided something in return).
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Fair enough, I don't much about your guys's characters so I can't say much against it, just saying that AoG magic is completely different from the magic modern magi use. (Another example is when it's mentioned that Medea most likely has her own Circuits but she'd never use them.)
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Well, Toshi is not entirely normal due to being Saber's son, but even so I don't think he would be able to do magic on anything like Medea's level. That's not what Lantz was suggesting, though.
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And that's Chaotic Good.
Only three more characters to go, and the alignment challenge is complete. I'm just missing Chaotic Neutral, Neutral Evil, and Lawful Good.
*looks at her characters* You know, over half of mine are Chaotic Good.
Also Kiyoura Chiyo is approved!
Looking at the fight Alice, don't worry about it. This is just some mooks. Seriously, they're NPCs that Lancer could wreck in like a minute. Then he can bitch because they weren't a real challenge.
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Yeah, I've cooled down since then. ^^" Especially since they've been reduced in number, so they're easier to handle.
...The trick now is finding them quickly enough so that this doesn't last very long, since they're coming in from all sides. ^^" Though Mille is rather bright, she'd probably at least think of that while she makes Bone Flambe out of the first bunch. ...I think. Maybe. ^^"
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*looks at her characters* You know, over half of mine are Chaotic Good.
Hmm, oddly enough that's not quite true for me, although only because I don't buy Nasu's definition of Chaotic Good....
Looking at the fight Alice, don't worry about it. This is just some mooks. Seriously, they're NPCs that Lancer could wreck in like a minute. Then he can bitch because they weren't a real challenge.
Well, if Lancer does go after them, please don't just have him kill them all in one post. Rider would certainly join in, and she's just as quick as he is, so she'd get a few as well.
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As I said just before, they're coming in from all sides- Rider and Lancer can each have their own bone soldiers to wipe out.
And at least 90% of my characters are Neutral Good, and I know that without even looking. Two are True Neutral and Rei's Chaotic Good. ...I'm not very creative with my alignment choices. ^^"
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As I said just before, they're coming in from all sides- Rider and Lancer can each have their own bone soldiers to wipe out.
Well, yeah, true, I guess it makes no sense for them to head for the same group.
And at least 90% of my characters are Neutral Good, and I know that without even looking. Two are True Neutral and Rei's Chaotic Good. ...I'm not very creative with my alignment choices. ^^"
You're more creative than me. Two of mine are Chaotic Good, Sakura is Neutral Good, Rider is Chaotic Neutral and Kiyoshi is Chaotic Neutral (because kid...) with Neutral Good tendancies.
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For randomness, I recommend that Satoshi leave one alive to use the dragon magnet trick. It won't blow up in his face or anything like that, but he'd get an interesting surprise.
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Even if it did I'd still do it Bloble, I'm fine with failing as long as it's not dominoes of collapsible failing. Post up tomorrow guys wait till then please
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Before I respond did you wanna say anything Kaiza? Last chance maybe even a busy post or anything? I've seen you on a few times I'd just hate to have to move on without someone.
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. . . I just posted, but it'll give Satoshi something to respond to.
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Posted!
Welp, Reina screwed up. Now there's only one way out for her. This'll probably be her swan song, depending on how things turn out from here...
Before I respond did you wanna say anything Kaiza? Last chance maybe even a busy post or anything? I've seen you on a few times I'd just hate to have to move on without someone.
Sorry for the hold-up. ^^;
Was thinking out what to do from here, so I kinda got stuck on that decision.
(And I didn't notice this post, sorry.)
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Hey KAIZA, if you want, I have a character waiting in the wings who can help get robo-chan out of the danger zone. Unless you were planning on her going out in a blaze of glory in the first place, in which case 'shine on you crazy diamond'.
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Well, like I said...it depends. Mostly on Alice getting Rei's opening post done. I'll give her a few days, and if she doesn't make it...yeah, some back-up will be nice.
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Oooh, so Rei's meant to rescue Reina...
Never mind, then. I ain't about to intrude upon a potential lesbian robosexual romance. Just consider me the fall-back guy.
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A little bit less "rescue", and a bit more "find broken body and repair afterwards".
Rei will teach her the power of LOOOOOOVE. :P
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I wouldn't worry too much about failing we're about to get a giant interruption in the form of the circle being destroyed.
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That wasn't something to respond to elf, it was more just a reason to hate dark archer. I replied though.
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I wouldn't worry too much about failing we're about to get a giant interruption in the form of the circle being destroyed.
Oh, but I was about to self-destruct myself to do just that. :P /jk
Well, Reina's damaged enough, anyways, so my plan still works.
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A little bit less "rescue", and a bit more "find broken body and repair afterwards".
Rei will teach her the power of LOOOOOOVE. :P
Will she have to put up with being called Master for a while?
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That wasn't something to respond to elf, it was more just a reason to hate dark archer. I replied though.
I love how Satoshi seems to still fail to understand what he did as wrong. Yes, leave the guy who tried to kill you already alive and fully healed, I'm sure nothing bad can happen.
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Also OH SHIT SON WE GOT A REVENANT!
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Well, Jack is about to become the Kindred in town caught in the most awkward position till now.
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If I don't post within the next few hours that's prolly cause I didn't finish in time for work in which case I'll just post after I get back.
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Umm... lantz...
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11532.html#msg11532 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11532.html#msg11532)
Tom did tell everyone that Lucas had regenerative abilities. I didn't quite clarify that he was addressing everyone, sure, and there was also a broken italics tag, which I've both fixed, but Tom did warn him.
Btw, if you don't believe me since I just edited that post for clarification, I can go back and take a screencap of the post before I made today's edit, to verify.
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This makes Satoshi's idiocy even more idiotic here. Woooooow.
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Umm... lantz...
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11532.html#msg11532 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11532.html#msg11532)
Tom did tell everyone that Lucas had regenerative abilities. I didn't quite clarify that he was addressing everyone, sure, and there was also a broken italics tag, which I've both fixed, but Tom did warn him.
Btw, if you don't believe me since I just edited that post for clarification, I can go back and take a screencap of the post before I made today's edit, to verify.
Hmm, looking at it, it definitely did look like you only addressed Forest with that part, which means Lantz wouldn't know that Toshi was supposed to know. And then everyone just assumed your next post (where you said you'd told him) was correct without bothering to check back, so we didn't pick up on it.
It seems like there's been a bit of a communication mess-up here. You thought Tom had told Toshi, whereas Lantz thought he hadn't. Which is a bit of a mess to resolve....
This makes Satoshi's idiocy even more idiotic here. Woooooow.
No, that is extremely unfair. If he didn't hear it at the time it can't really be retroactively assumed that he did, particularly since it wasn't clear from the post.
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Talking with you in private, it seems it was mostly because everyone thought that what Toshi did was so stupid even without knowing that Tom addressed everyone instead of just Forest, no one thought about it enough to bring it up to me. So I literally went until today not realizing my mistake (and the broken italics tags. ...Ouch.)
Probably people didn't bring it up after my characters were mentioned hearing it themselves for similar reasons. ^^"
Here's the earliest post where I finally make some indication that all the characters were supposed to hear it. It's after the healing actually happened though.
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11687.html#msg11687 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg11687.html#msg11687)
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Yeah, basically we all accepted that Toshi's actions looked pretty dubious anyway, so no-one was really surprised at him being called-out for them, and none of us really bothered to go back and check what was actually said, because that's too much effort.
What we actually do about it, though, I'm not sure. I don't think we can decree that Toshi heard it without Lantz accepting that, it makes Toshi's action look extremely foolish and makes his following explanations non-sensical, but I'm not sure how to explain him not doing so.
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With the exception of Shezar and Medea all the next posts for my characters will involve the destruction of that circle. Currently Downy and Mordred are in the in between of dimensions being thrown about while Mudou is MIA.
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Oh and before I leave one other quick note, keep in mind that Sissel and Medea's attack is happening at the same time as Downy's ritual collapsing basically anyone who is at least sub-par in detecting magical energy is gonna feel that.
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And by that you mean across the city? Well, not like Uchiten is going to care much, he's currently engaged with more entertaining things than a petty grand ritual. And the narration with Bones is still in the afternoon and not the night.
Also, Chiyo is hilarious, Aiden.
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Yeah, basically we all accepted that Toshi's actions looked pretty dubious anyway, so no-one was really surprised at him being called-out for them, and none of us really bothered to go back and check what was actually said, because that's too much effort.
What we actually do about it, though, I'm not sure. I don't think we can decree that Toshi heard it without Lantz accepting that, it makes Toshi's action look extremely foolish and makes his following explanations non-sensical, but I'm not sure how to explain him not doing so.
We can explain it through Toshi being really really thick.
He hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary to this being the truth.
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We can explain it through Toshi being really really thick.
He hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary to this being the truth.
No, Magos, you don't get to dictate Toshi's characterisation on Lantz's behalf. The only person who can do that is Lantz, through what he writes. You are free to interpret that writing in whatever manner you like, but you cannot force Lantz to adhere to that interpretation.
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I know, but that's how I'm fluffing it whatever his explanation.
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Erm, Mike, I think Magos is just saying that's how his characters would interpret it. Or how he would interpret Toshi's character if he had been there.
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Well, Magos' characters have no possible way to know if Toshi did or did not hear anything Tom said. Hell, they weren't even in the room at the time, so Magos has precisely zero IC reason to be involved in this.
The fact is, if Toshi didn't hear it then he didn't hear it, full stop. That isn't a matter of him being "thick", that's a matter of him not hearing it. Even the smartest person in the world still can't act on information they don't have.
Admittedly, there are plenty of other reasons why Toshi should have thought twice before healing the guy, but none of them are anything like as blatant as "he heard what Tom said".
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To be honest, part of the reason I didn't realize no one had picked up on the fact that I meant Tom to be talking to everyone about that was because I did honestly think Toshi was thick enough to miss that. ...So honestly, it's a fair interpretation. ^^"
This is where tell verses show is really important. We've never been shown Toshi is really that intelligent, just told. A number of his traits are informed (as told to us by lantz himself along with his own characters) rather than actually shown to us.
Basically, what Magos is saying is that he's going off of Toshi's actions to determine this aspect of Toshi's character.
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Sure, and that's fine. But what we can't do is say "well, Toshi just didn't take notice because he's thick", because that is not a decision for us to make. If Lantz makes a mistake he has to deal with that, but in this case he didn't really do anything wrong (with regards to not realising Tom was speaking to him), so he shouldn't have to make such a dramatic change in his own personal characterisation to cope with that.
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Sure, and that's fine. But what we can't do is say "well, Toshi just didn't take notice because he's thick", because that is not a decision for us to make. If Lantz makes a mistake he has to deal with that, but in this case he didn't really do anything wrong (with regards to not realising Tom was speaking to him), so he shouldn't have to make such a dramatic change in his own personal characterisation to cope with that.
The problem is that the characterization he's shown in the RP has been so fucking different than the one on his shet. It's really kinda funny, just how little Lantz can keep his own character in character.
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Man, Chiyo looks promising. x)
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Man, Chiyo looks promising. x)
Ossu!
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And no one's running into my characters yet, haha.
;_;
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Daiki did - didn't he want to buy your weapons?
Also, now that there is no chuuni GM self insert character here, perhaps a certain hot-tempered sorcerer and his half-fey friend/rival/love interest (?) might be showing up. >.>
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GM self-insert character?
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'S a bit of a tale, but basically YOLF, Ivan, and I were involved in an RP that had a GM character that was less than one step away from duel-wielding katanas. I ended up abandoning YOLF in the tangent we were in (sorry, man :( ) and getting out because the GM was so irritating.
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As far as I was aware Tom wasn't addressing him. So he didn't hear it, simple as that.
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'S a bit of a tale, but basically YOLF, Ivan, and I were involved in an RP that had a GM character that was less than one step away from duel-wielding katanas. I ended up abandoning YOLF in the tangent we were in (sorry, man :( ) and getting out because the GM was so irritating.
Ah yes, it was... quite the thing. It was getting a tad annoying.
And eh, no problem, I wasn't feeling the RP much anyways myself at that point. It is a shame though, my character had started to set up things to be in a really strong position.
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'S a bit of a tale, but basically YOLF, Ivan, and I were involved in an RP that had a GM character that was less than one step away from duel-wielding katanas. I ended up abandoning YOLF in the tangent we were in (sorry, man :( ) and getting out because the GM was so irritating.
Ah, OK, I see.
Who was the GM, if you don't mind me asking? I don't really pay much attention to BL now....
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Daiki did - didn't he want to buy your weapons?
Eeeh, can't see shit from here.
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Ah, OK, I see.
Who was the GM, if you don't mind me asking? I don't really pay much attention to BL now....
"Emiya Kurou" - you can just feel the legitimacy. Interesting premise that was, sadly, worn down by the GM and the lack of interest as we saw where it was going… I might actually bring Ezra back, and Cait Sith too, with some slight modifications... hmm...
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Sooooo . . .
What would you guys think of an idea for a "Velvet Room"?
A place that people can RP that doesn't affect the main story line for the RP. Like say you can have two characters interact that haven't met yet. And it can also be for sex too.
Just a fun way to blow off some steam without DRAMU.
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Hmm. So, like an Omake thread for the RP, you could say?
I like the idea.
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Hmm, so you mean a place for us to write non-canon stuff with our RP characters? Yeah, that could be interesting.
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I can make one. Which takes place in the manor where my three characters live. But they're there less as characters but more of mediators.
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Hmm. So, like an Omake thread for the RP, you could say?
I like the idea.
Awesome! And that would be the idea.
Hmm, so you mean a place for us to write non-canon stuff with our RP characters? Yeah, that could be interesting.
That's exactly what I had in mind Mike. Say if someone wanted to make some time with Rin? Well, she hasn't hooked up with Dark Archer in the Velvet Room.
I can make one. Which takes place in the manor where my three characters live. But they're there less as characters but more of mediators.
The thread is already up, but thank you.
However, I doubt Rattus and crew would want to mediate some of the stuff that may go on in the Velvet Room.
Also, does Rattus still look like a German version of Shinji?
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I can make one. Which takes place in the manor where my three characters live. But they're there less as characters but more of mediators.
The thread is already up, but thank you.
However, I doubt Rattus and crew would want to mediate some of the stuff that may go on in the Velvet Room.
Also, does Rattus still look like a German version of Shinji?
Rattus doesn't mind it when Neo smokes tobacco or weed in his room neither when Yukina reads yaoi or bara in her room, mostly because of apathy, so he's game.
And yes, as shown in the character sheet but as always, he's not as young as the actual Shinji and his hair is brown in realistic settings. Maybe even graying.
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Thinking of stuff for the Velvet Room now.
Maybe something like... you know, those sketches when characters of a cartoon or somesuch talk with each other "out of the set" and comment on what happened in the story, as though they were actors? Stuff like that could be fun.
In-character commentary on the story itself, I suppose.
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Ohboy. Well, maybe I can do something interesting here without upsetting the balance too much.
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Thinking of stuff for the Velvet Room now.
Maybe something like... you know, those sketches when characters of a cartoon or somesuch talk with each other "out of the set" and comment on what happened in the story, as though they were actors? Stuff like that could be fun.
In-character commentary on the story itself, I suppose.
I see it more as a spiritual successor to the Moonlight Annex. You know, just chilling out in-character and stuff, not affecting the main story.
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I see it more as a spiritual successor to the Moonlight Annex. You know, just chilling out in-character and stuff, not affecting the main story.
That's pretty close to what I had in mind, but with the potential for porn too. Like, "I wanna do a porn scene with Alice/Elf/Mike/Etc, but all of their characters have hooked up! Oh, wait, there's the Velvet Room! Fuck yeah."
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The Lawman has arrived.
Prepare to be judged, lest ye be judged in kind and be found wanting.
He's also able to change stances refreshing his abilities... wait, no that's from Smite. Download Smite, best free MOBA I've played. Prefer it immensely over League.
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That's exactly what I had in mind Mike. Say if someone wanted to make some time with Rin? Well, she hasn't hooked up with Dark Archer in the Velvet Room.
Are we meant to treat the Velvet Room as one single continuity, or can we basically ignore things that happened in there before?
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That's exactly what I had in mind Mike. Say if someone wanted to make some time with Rin? Well, she hasn't hooked up with Dark Archer in the Velvet Room.
Are we meant to treat the Velvet Room as one single continuity, or can we basically ignore things that happened in there before?
Gahahaha! You cannot disregard the Jojo!
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That's exactly what I had in mind Mike. Say if someone wanted to make some time with Rin? Well, she hasn't hooked up with Dark Archer in the Velvet Room.
Are we meant to treat the Velvet Room as one single continuity, or can we basically ignore things that happened in there before?
Pretty sure we can mostly just ignore it.
Oh btw Bloble, expect to get ZA WARUDO'd at some point.
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Are we meant to treat the Velvet Room as one single continuity, or can we basically ignore things that happened in there before?
Sure.
Like say Your Character A and Player X's Character A had a scene together, but you'd like to do something with Player Z's Character A with your Character A later on it wouldn't impact it in the slightest.
Aiden, if you bring in Dio Brando I will like freaking squee.
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DIOOOOOOOOOO
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Are we meant to treat the Velvet Room as one single continuity, or can we basically ignore things that happened in there before?
Sure.
Like say Your Character A and Player X's Character A had a scene together, but you'd like to do something with Player Z's Character A with your Character A later on it wouldn't impact it in the slightest.
Aiden, if you bring in Dio Brando I will like freaking squee.
I meant in the more general 'stop time, hit you with shit' way. I don't have enough character slots to fit Dio Brando if I want to complete the challenge.
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You do if you use Gilgamesh style alignments. Get creative~
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Erm, Mil, you posted your RP post in the character thread....
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Damn, I expected to have Igor as the mediator for the VR.
Instead we got an Hamon manipulator comboing poses and proclaiming himself the protag. How come?
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OK, well, I don't know where Mil went, but since his post was obviously in the wrong place I moved it (well, technically I deleted it and then re-posted it in the other thread, hence why the time stamp is different).
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You do if you use Gilgamesh style alignments. Get creative~
I would also have to go read Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventures to refresh myself on how to portray him well and I don't really want to take the time to do that.
I have standards that my own laziness refuses to satisfy.
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Ah you see that's what I get when I rush a post. Well anyway thanks for fixing that.
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Damn, I expected to have Igor as the mediator for the VR.
Instead we got an Hamon manipulator comboing poses and proclaiming himself the protag. How come?
Igor isn't fabulous enough.
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Posting in parts again. ...Mostly because I'm not sure if it's my turn with Tom, Rin, Archer, and Hakuno yet. ^^"
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OK, Lantz, What the fuck? How could Satoshi tell the golems were outside, (Smelling them is bullshit honestly), the others were more than capable of handling it. For another thing, his note is going to get tossed in the trash, because who the fuck is going to believe the ravings of an obvious madman that was put in the letter? Really, this is why we don't enjoy RP'ing with you, you pull shit like this for no obvious reason.
Also, from one royal to another doesn't make sense as Satoshi is out of the line of succession through conquest to the actual throne of Great Britan. He can't claim Northern Ireland, England, or Scotland, just Wales, and that title is already taken. Really he's just posturing and his entire note makes no damn sense.
Bringing in Tywin soon, if Elf approves.
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Tywin approved!
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OK, Lantz, What the fuck? How could Satoshi tell the golems were outside, (Smelling them is bullshit honestly), the others were more than capable of handling it.
Well, he knows them quite well, so it's not entirely implasible that he'd detect their magical signature, although I am not entirely sure how he got out there before Rider, Lancer and Mille had finished off the lot, and honestly there's a good chance one of them would kill the warrior that Toshi sent back anyway, since he's not informed us what he is doing.
But, aside from that, so what if we are capable of handling it? Rider could probably kill the whole lot herself, but I'm not complaining about Lancer or Mille helping. Why is it such a problem if Toshi deals with a few of them?
For another thing, his note is going to get tossed in the trash, because who the fuck is going to believe the ravings of an obvious madman that was put in the letter? Really, this is why we don't enjoy RP'ing with you, you pull shit like this for no obvious reason.
Magos, you are not RPing Caster, so stop presuming how she's going to act.
Also, from one royal to another doesn't make sense as Satoshi is out of the line of succession through conquest to the actual throne of Great Britan. He can't claim Northern Ireland, England, or Scotland, just Wales, and that title is already taken. Really he's just posturing and his entire note makes no damn sense.
Well, if King Arthur were to suddenly reappear, I suspect a lot of people would at very least recognise him as a King, if not as the King of Britain. So, I think it is not unreasonable
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I did exactly as I said I would a day or so ago. Frankly Arch you have no bearing on what I choose to do with my characters and given your active hostility I am not inclined to field your objections as valid.
that said he is on another side of the house and I pulled off the spell to send him back as I said I would
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We rockin' with the power of the Horde now.
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Under spoiler tag for your convenience. (You don't have to read it if you're not lantz.)
You know, at first, I saw Satoshi's character sheet and pulled a grimace. I thought, "oh, well, probably just a comedy character..." When it appeared that it wasn't the case, I naively hoped, "Whatever, he probably won't abuse it anyway." Then, when it was clear I was wrong, I just shrugged and went, "good thing he's not an antagonist." Eventually I just decide to not pay attention to the character anymore. I wanted to be nice and all so I kept silent on past stuff which irked me. But today, sadly, I can't.
Because enough is enough.
First, allow me to ask you something, Lantz. I would like to know what you think when you look at Satoshi, lantz. All I see there, and it is my right to think so, are, in essence, all the elements of a bad self-insert character. (Granted, Satoshi isn't named after you (I hope), but since you showed unable to make a distinction between your thought process and your character's on numerous instances in this very thread, I think it's fair to imply at least that much)
Your character's too perfect and thus, boring. He is, as Arch repeated enough times for even a monkey to understand the concept, a Mary Sue. His personality is alien to me. I don't even understand why he does/says half the stuff he does//says. He feels unnatural and conceited. And he's a clusterfuck of nonsense power-wise. Seriously. I am in absolute awe with the fact that you could create such an OC without laughing at how ridiculous he looks like on paper. He's better than everyone at almost everything. He's morally better than everyone too, and in the rare case when he's cornered about a mistake, he only apologizes for it while saying, I would do it again. His apologies are thus void of any meaning. The guy's not gonna take any advices as something of worth and won't ever improve upon feedback. Ever. Only gonna shrug it off, because well, he knows better than these low level scums. Kinda reminds me of someone, strangely. He's supposedly a wise man but have proved jack about it so far. Characterization IC is a far cry from his description.
Stop pulling stuff out of your arse. For your own good. STOP. This both looks stupid and convenient when he has (yet again) another ace up sleeve. Especially worse, when it's not the first time people told you to modify the content of your character sheet in order to avoid that kind of issue again. (Which you didn't touch, btw) HOW THE FREAKING FUCK CAN HE KNOW ABOUT CASTER?? He wasn't even born when she was around. Unless she survived the HGW (must have been hell of a boring event if all the Servants made it out alive btw), and in that case, you're at fault for not providing a proper background for Satoshi. Actually, you shoul edit your RP post about the fucking letter. Because if he damn knows about Caster, he should also know that she has the means to see through her familiars anyway. (without forgetting that spherical display for that matter) Also, the heck is that smelling ability of his?? Where does that come from? Why is he able to control a puppet already in Caster's control?? (Another couple of powers bestowed upon the 'Prince of Knights' randomly since they are not on your character sheet) Familiars aren't freaking post/mailmen either. Why the hell did you do that? And'Prince of Knights' sounds rather empty nowadays. Why does he even use it? It's enough if he mentions being of Pendragon's lineage.
Why does your character sheet says 'human' anyway? He's nothing like a human at all. 'Cause your dude is as strong as a Saber Servant, is nigh immortal, immunized to magecraft, charismatic to the point Gengis Khan would love one of his autograph, has keen senses and general awareness on par with Fujino's Clairvoyance, possesses a RM (probably has applications I would rather not want to know) which are supposed to take centuries to develop, mystic codes, is a master of numerous fighting styles, can transform into a Kamen Rider, and I'll stop there because it should be obvious were I'm going. Even anomalies, by Nasuverse standards, aren't that good. He's a ridiculous mutant, not a human.
Another thing. Stop feeling the need to have him everywhere. There was no point in him running outside. Two freaking Servants and a Magical Girl are largely overkill for a bunch of animated bones already. There's no reason for him to be everywhere. I also like how he missed what seemed like a wounded girl walking with difficulty in order to play skeleton fedex. Scream heroic dude all you want, that's not how one would act.
Also, your character sheets. EDIT THEM. NO, REWRITE THEM. At least Satoshi's if you're too lazy for the whole set. Not later, nor tomorrow. As soon as you're on. And do it properly. Since I'm in a rather good mood, I'll even tell you what needs to be done;
Present at least a detailed wall of text about what happened in your personal verse, lantz. (Including, the HGW events and results, what happened afterwards AND Satoshi's personal story, his full set of abilities and how come he came to obtain stuff like Clarent. Also I would really appreciate an explication as to why he does have more charisma than Arturia when she had enough to LEAD A COUNTRY. Same goes for the Herakles tier stats and stuff like Magic Resistance A, is there even a justification for them? And the Reality Marble? What is it? How does it work? Why does he even have one to begin with? Why didn't he get a Sealing Designation for it? Also, how can he use Avalon's healing abilities to that level when he's not Saber.(I'm not talking about how he's immortal but about the reason he can heal people with it)
Why didn't he age in that two thousands years plan?
Why does he need so much artifacts and magic relics when he clearly can face basically the whole Nasuverse (save few things I could count on half a hand) by himself? (I should probably praise you for not using MEoDP but, you get a minus for having a character which can control other PCs. So, no deal.)
That kind of stuff should be addressed asap. And don't post it here. Edit your character sheet so that everyone will be able to find the information needed with ease. Feel free to complain about how I was mean to you, your family, pets and neighbors if you want. As long as it provides you any motivation in doing what people asked you to do for weeks, I'm satisfied.
Fix your mess. Or accept to be heavily criticized each time your lacking sheets (meaning your own laziness) get in the way of Satoshi saving the day like a shounen protagonist infatuated with his own arse.
tldr(as I'm sure you won't even bother reading through the whole thing);
Edit your character sheet, adding pertinent information regarding Satoshi's universe and a precise and full listing of his abilities and effects. Same thing for his weapons. Stop making up new abilities every three posts. Have him act in character. He's wise and shit, prove it instead of claiming it. You don't need him to interact with everyone who could be part of his universe. You don't need him everywhere and save/heal everyone. (Especially the dead or bad guys) Edit that damn character sheet.
Hopefully you will take at heart only what really matters.
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Under spoiler tag for your convenience. (You don't have to read it if you're not lantz.)
You know, at first, I saw Satoshi's character sheet and pulled a grimace. I thought, "oh, well, probably just a comedy character..." When it appeared that it wasn't the case, I naively hoped, "Whatever, he probably won't abuse it anyway." Then, when it was clear I was wrong, I just shrugged and went, "good thing he's not an antagonist." Eventually I just decide to not pay attention to the character anymore. I wanted to be nice and all so I kept silent on past stuff which irked me. But today, sadly, I can't.
Because enough is enough.
First, allow me to ask you something, Lantz. I would like to know what you think when you look at Satoshi, lantz. All I see there, and it is my right to think so, are, in essence, all the elements of a bad self-insert character. (Granted, Satoshi isn't named after you (I hope), but since you showed unable to make a distinction between your thought process and your character's on numerous instances in this very thread, I think it's fair to imply at least that much)
Your character's too perfect and thus, boring. He is, as Arch repeated enough times for even a monkey to understand the concept, a Mary Sue. His personality is alien to me. I don't even understand why he does/says half the stuff he does//says. He feels unnatural and conceited. And he's a clusterfuck of nonsense power-wise. Seriously. I am in absolute awe with the fact that you could create such an OC without laughing at how ridiculous he looks like on paper. He's better than everyone at almost everything. He's morally better than everyone too, and in the rare case when he's cornered about a mistake, he only apologizes for it while saying, I would do it again. His apologies are thus void of any meaning. The guy's not gonna take any advices as something of worth and won't ever improve upon feedback. Ever. Only gonna shrug it off, because well, he knows better than these low level scums. Kinda reminds me of someone, strangely. He's supposedly a wise man but have proved jack about it so far. Characterization IC is a far cry from his description.
Stop pulling stuff out of your arse. For your own good. STOP. This both looks stupid and convenient when he has (yet again) another ace up sleeve. Especially worse, when it's not the first time people told you to modify the content of your character sheet in order to avoid that kind of issue again. (Which you didn't touch, btw) HOW THE FREAKING FUCK CAN HE KNOW ABOUT CASTER?? He wasn't even born when she was around. Unless she survived the HGW (must have been hell of a boring event if all the Servants made it out alive btw), and in that case, you're at fault for not providing a proper background for Satoshi. Actually, you shoul edit your RP post about the fucking letter. Because if he damn knows about Caster, he should also know that she has the means to see through her familiars anyway. (without forgetting that spherical display for that matter) Also, the heck is that smelling ability of his?? Where does that come from? Why is he able to control a puppet already in Caster's control?? (Another couple of powers bestowed upon the 'Prince of Knights' randomly since they are not on your character sheet) Familiars aren't freaking post/mailmen either. Why the hell did you do that? And'Prince of Knights' sounds rather empty nowadays. Why does he even use it? It's enough if he mentions being of Pendragon's lineage.
Why does your character sheet says 'human' anyway? He's nothing like a human at all. 'Cause your dude is as strong as a Saber Servant, is nigh immortal, immunized to magecraft, charismatic to the point Gengis Khan would love one of his autograph, has keen senses and general awareness on par with Fujino's Clairvoyance, possesses a RM (probably has applications I would rather not want to know) which are supposed to take centuries to develop, mystic codes, is a master of numerous fighting styles, can transform into a Kamen Rider, and I'll stop there because it should be obvious were I'm going. Even anomalies, by Nasuverse standards, aren't that good. He's a ridiculous mutant, not a human.
Another thing. Stop feeling the need to have him everywhere. There was no point in him running outside. Two freaking Servants and a Magical Girl are largely overkill for a bunch of animated bones already. There's no reason for him to be everywhere. I also like how he missed what seemed like a wounded girl walking with difficulty in order to play skeleton fedex. Scream heroic dude all you want, that's not how one would act.
Also, your character sheets. EDIT THEM. NO, REWRITE THEM. At least Satoshi's if you're too lazy for the whole set. Not later, nor tomorrow. As soon as you're on. And do it properly. Since I'm in a rather good mood, I'll even tell you what needs to be done;
Present at least a detailed wall of text about what happened in your personal verse, lantz. (Including, the HGW events and results, what happened afterwards AND Satoshi's personal story, his full set of abilities and how come he came to obtain stuff like Clarent. Also I would really appreciate an explication as to why he does have more charisma than Arturia when she had enough to LEAD A COUNTRY. Same goes for the Herakles tier stats and stuff like Magic Resistance A, is there even a justification for them? And the Reality Marble? What is it? How does it work? Why does he even have one to begin with? Why didn't he get a Sealing Designation for it? Also, how can he use Avalon's healing abilities to that level when he's not Saber.(I'm not talking about how he's immortal but about the reason he can heal people with it)
Why didn't he age in that two thousands years plan?
Why does he need so much artifacts and magic relics when he clearly can face basically the whole Nasuverse (save few things I could count on half a hand) by himself? (I should probably praise you for not using MEoDP but, you get a minus for having a character which can control other PCs. So, no deal.)
That kind of stuff should be addressed asap. And don't post it here. Edit your character sheet so that everyone will be able to find the information needed with ease. Feel free to complain about how I was mean to you, your family, pets and neighbors if you want. As long as it provides you any motivation in doing what people asked you to do for weeks, I'm satisfied.
Fix your mess. Or accept to be heavily criticized each time your lacking sheets (meaning your own laziness) get in the way of Satoshi saving the day like a shounen protagonist infatuated with his own arse.
tldr(as I'm sure you won't even bother reading through the whole thing);
Edit your character sheet, adding pertinent information regarding Satoshi's universe and a precise and full listing of his abilities and effects. Same thing for his weapons. Stop making up new abilities every three posts. Have him act in character. He's wise and shit, prove it instead of claiming it. You don't need him to interact with everyone who could be part of his universe. You don't need him everywhere and save/heal everyone. (Especially the dead or bad guys) Edit that damn character sheet.
Hopefully you will take at heart only what really matters.
Damn Daiki. That's pretty much as on point as it could possibly be. Read it Lantz, for the love of god.
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Sorry but I have read it. Nice thought but I don't agree with many points and frankly I have been burned repeatedly trying to explain things so I won't be adding a massive ton to my sheet even if it would allow me to do so.
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But, adding more to your sheet would stop the 'burning'; that was what Daiki was saying.
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Tech limits are something out of my control mooncake and when I tried to use the oc thread to get around that I was attacked. If people would listen and stop harassing me when I go to explain I would be willing to try yet again to explain. Sadly I am constantly attacked when I try, thus I am not inclined to think that trying to explain will be anything more than a waste of time.
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Well, I'm not sure what the tech limits are, but if there is a real problem you can always send the edited sheet to me or any member of the moderation team and we can put it in place for you.
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Tech limits are something out of my control mooncake and when I tried to use the oc thread to get around that I was attacked. If people would listen and stop harassing me when I go to explain I would be willing to try yet again to explain. Sadly I am constantly attacked when I try, thus I am not inclined to think that trying to explain will be anything more than a waste of time.
We do listen, and criticism isn't harassment, despite your claims. So just get all that shit down so we can actually evaluate and know what he can and cannot do; otherwise I'd say Elf would be well within her rights to just bar you from the RP due to both her and the rest of us repeatedly telling you to work on your sheets.
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Revenant vitae too weak for Kindred, right?
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Revenant vitae too weak for Kindred, right?
It's too weak to create more Kindred or create Ghouls, but you still have a functional Blood Potency of 1 if someone commits diablerie on you.
You still count as having proper Vitae, so if an elder wants to om nom you they can.
Rules for Revenants
Unless noted below, revenants function
identically to Kindred.
Blood Potency: Consider a revenant’s Blood
Potency 1, and it may not increase.
Vitae: Revenants can store a number of Vitae
equal to five plus their Stamina. Each night upon
waking, they lose all their stored Vitae, and awaken
starved. Often, the loss of Vitae takes the form of
sweating out their stolen blood as they sleep.
Clan: Revenants have no clan, so they have no
clan banes.
Disciplines: Revenants may only learn Disciplines
as out-of-clan, and cannot learn clan-specific
Disciplines without a teacher. They may never
learn Devotions, blood sorceries, or Coils or Scales
of the Dragon.
Humanity: A Revenant starts with Humanity 7.
The Embrace: Revenants can create neither
revenants nor Kindred.
Contamination: Revenant blood cannot sustain
ghouls or establish blood bonds.
Diablerie: While they do not gain the normal
benefits of diablerie, Amaranth will uplift a
revenant into a vampire of the victim’s clan.
Blood Sympathy: Revenants have a +5 die
bonus to all blood sympathy rolls to their sires,
instead of +3. Often, city officials use revenants as
bloodhounds to find their illegitimate sires.
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That's helpful, thanks Aiden.
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Alright since events are starting to sync up now I'm going to write up the Summoning Circle's failure. Since it's a big event like I said most people who can recognize magic are going to be able to notice it going on regardless of what they are currently doing. Just letting you all know.
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Alright since events are starting to sync up now I'm going to write up the Summoning Circle's failure. Since it's a big event like I said most people who can recognize magic are going to be able to notice it going on regardless of what they are currently doing. Just letting you all know.
Just a question, Mil.
How would the circle's failure affect the flesh giant? I wanted to know, since, I have Reina about to enter self-destruct mode to kill the thing (anti magic bomb could sever the connection the thing has, and maybe damage the circle), so I want to know if I should go with it or not.
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Tech limits are something out of my control mooncake and when I tried to use the oc thread to get around that I was attacked. If people would listen and stop harassing me when I go to explain I would be willing to try yet again to explain. Sadly I am constantly attacked when I try, thus I am not inclined to think that trying to explain will be anything more than a waste of time.
Well, allow me to be succint:
By not speaking overtly, you are giving two central motivations to, as you spoke it, "Be attacked". For one, so little of your characters is revealed to us that it repeatedly feels like what they are capable of comes from thin air, and for a second point you never speak of anything, shed light on anything or alter your sheets to reflect their real capabilities. Yes, that latter is one big overlaying motivation despite its multiple facets.
If you do explain however, there is only one reason to, ahem, "attack you", and that's because what you are saying your characters are capable of is less than logically sound/respectful to the original canon.
The former makes you look like a less than overly capable writer due to the alarming constancy of unrecognizable abilities and effects coming from seemingly nowhere and somewhat of an man who turns his nose up at people asking him mundane and reasonable things like editing his sheets, and the latter just makes makes you look less than knowledgeable about the source material, and sometimes added with a lack of overall knowledge.
Which would you prefer being called from on high up the street?
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Plus the fact that this many people have pointed this stuff out. Shouldn't it be obvious by now that if pretty much everyone is calling you (lantz) out on this stuff, it's less harassment and more something that everyone is seeing except for you?
Does Elf have to seriously lay down the GM hammer to actually get you to edit your sheet or have a member of the staff edit it for you? Honestly, lantz, it's starting to reach the point where I honestly think you may have to be punished via GM in some way, shape, or form before you start getting the point. Because almost everyone is frustrated with this by this point. And your attitude is really not helping your case.
Also, listen well to Daiki's long spoiler paragraphs, for he is wise.
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I believe that what's going to happen is that you'll be interrupted by the ensuing explosion. (Not nearly as bad as it would be with all circle's active but we are pretty close to the main one so it's gonna happen.)
You'll be able to detect it forming at least and Lobellia is gonna take action as well. So that will be happening.
The golem itself won't have much longer to live, don't feel bad for it, it's happy just doing it's job.
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Also, Lantz, technical difficulties can be circumvented if you just send to us a little blurb of text/post it in this thread, and we can edit it for you where you point us at.
Because Admins can edit ANYONE'S posts.
Also nobody look up at your posts nothing has changed I swear
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It's worse than that, we can even post as other people, and the only way to tell as far as I can see is the IP address.
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I was trying to joke around and then you made it all creepy
But then again how do people know I'M NOT JUST TALKING TO MYSELF?
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My attitude is simple. I do not wish to be harassed while I explain. Which I did say I'd edit but the fourm isn't my life, I'll get to it when I have the time.
swords and sorcery does not match up to canon. INTENTIONALLY, I've decided since everyone seems to have an issue with waiting I'm reformatting the work (not rewriting) to attend to the story chronologically. That way you'll get your answers in the dullest way possible.
again I'll edit the sheet when I get time.
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...lantz. If you honestly want to keep playing, I'd really suggest you stop messing around with it and do it now. Because right now you're pretty much putting a "kick me out of this RP right now" stamp on your forehead right now.
If people who I know for a damn fact have busier schedules than you have time to edit their sheets, then I don't see any god damn reason for you to delay on yours other than you just making excuses like always.
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...lantz. If you honestly want to keep playing, I'd really suggest you stop messing around with it and do it now. Because right now you're pretty much putting a "kick me out of this RP right now" stamp on your forehead right now.
If people who I know for a damn fact have busier schedules than you have time to edit their sheets, then I don't see any god damn reason for you to delay on yours other than you just making excuses like always.
Alice, he is right that life outside the forum takes precidence. I think he should edit it, but if he is busy it is not at-all reasonable to expect him to drop everything and edit his sheet right now.
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Editing your sheet would take like, ten minutes.
Subtract that from bedtime, and you've lost nothing.
Because the thing is, with poor sheets and seemingly pulling things from thin air, you are, indeed, asking to be kicked from the RP.
Because those are two things you just don't do in an RP.
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As he's said before, he cannot simply edit it, it gives him errors when he tries. He needs one of us to do it for him. And, I do not think it is just going to take ten minutes. Just because you think you can do it in ten minutes, it doesn't mean it is therefore doable in ten minutes. It is fine to want Lantz to fix his sheet, but it is not reasonable to treat him like shit when he said he would do it when he can find the time.
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...Mike, judging from what I've seen of his schedule on this forum, I'm pretty damn sure he has more than adequate time to edit his freaking sheets. If Nachos, who happens to often be uber busy, has the time to do it, then lantz should have the time to do it. No excuses.
lantz is just proving more and more why he has absolutely no right to be playing here. He doesn't give a damn about any of the other players but himself, period, and has done very, very, very little to prove otherwise.
Same applies for one of us doing it for him. So no, there's no excuse.
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Okay fine, but it definitely takes him less than ten minutes to make a post. We have the stalky function for that to prove it.
Therefore, he should at least put it into small increments. "Mike, put this here." "Names, put that there."
At least WORK ON IT a tiny little bit at a time unlike what he's been doing since Elf asked him to, what, last week?
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Okay fine, but it definitely takes him less than ten minutes to make a post. We have the stalky function for that to prove it.
Therefore, he should at least put it into small increments. "Mike, put this here." "Names, put that there."
At least WORK ON IT a tiny little bit at a time unlike what he's been doing since Elf asked him to, what, last week?
Try more like over a month.
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There's no god damn excuse period. Because as I recall, it's actually been two months since he was first asked. Honestly, I'm honestly going to push for a god damn ultimatum here, because this has honestly gone on for far too damn long. If he can't even do this small thing than he has no damn right to be here.
Lantz has us edit his sheets. In full. Tonight. Or he gets kicked like he should have been months ago.
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Okay fine, but it definitely takes him less than ten minutes to make a post. We have the stalky function for that to prove it.
Well, it depends what he is posting....
Therefore, he should at least put it into small increments. "Mike, put this here." "Names, put that there."
Possibly, but he might just be unusually busy next week. There are times when I cannot do things on the forum too.
At least WORK ON IT a tiny little bit at a time unlike what he's been doing since Elf asked him to, what, last week?
Well, he may have been working on it, I don't know.
There's no god damn excuse period. Because as I recall, it's actually been two months since he was first asked. Honestly, I'm honestly going to push for a god damn ultimatum here, because this has honestly gone on for far too damn long. If he can't even do this small thing than he has no damn right to be here.
Lantz has us edit his sheets. In full. Tonight. Or he gets kicked like he should have been months ago.
Since when was it your decision? Only Elf can make a threat like that. And, if you say something along the lines of "I'm walking if he's not kicked", then I will walk if he is kicked.
Also, aren't we meant to be doing other things right now?
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I am busy through till next Monday helping my father and being a proper host to company or sleeping in-between those two. I might manage a post if I wake up in the hour or so before the former starts and that's in the RP, I have no time beyond that for the next bit so editing will have to wait for the time being.
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Or at least starts going in the right direction and starts the process of editing his sheets for, say, tuesday since he's said he's busy?
Because he has a lot of sheets, you know.
And we can know if he worked on it, Mike, there's a little View Edit doohickey for the stalking admin of the week. And I ain't seeing them.
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As Lantz has said before, he can't actually edit the sheet, it gives him an error. He needs to tell one of us to do it.
But, in terms of when he should do it by, that is entirely up to Elf to decide. He said he is busy for the next week, though, and probably won't even have time to get an RP post done (which is more important, because not posting in the RP holds everyone else up), so I wouldn't expect it before then.
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I will be typing it up and sending it with as much information as possible so someone can edit it in. You won't see an edit until it's done. But please don't expect a history of kinda thing because seriously that would be waaaaay too long. I can structure the abridged version to read clearly but a full history is a bit much.
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He said he'd be busy till monday, which is why I'm all down for getting him to at least start the process on late mon/tue
And like I said, he has but to ask you, or me, or even Alice to help. Just post it in this thread, tell admin of the hour where to edit which bit where and we're in business. It's literally that simple.
And it doesn't have to be finished, Lantz. Let's just get started, at least.
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He hasn't started in 2 fucking months mike. I think we're way past the point where this is reasonable.
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He said he'd be busy till monday, which is why I'm all down for getting him to at least start the process on late mon/tue
Erm, he said next Monday, which means a week's time.
And like I said, he has but to ask you, or me, or even Alice to help. Just post it in this thread, tell admin of the hour where to edit which bit where and we're in business. It's literally that simple.
And it doesn't have to be finished, Lantz. Let's just get started, at least.
Yeah, sure.
Although, if Lantz wants to do a complete re-write rather than editing what is there I think that makes more sense. It allows him to structure it better and include more of the detail that way.
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Either way, there's been enough faffing about. We need to get this done in the visible future, plain and simple.
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He's absolutely right. Absolutely nothing has been done to change the situation, and it's high time that that changed. We can't just sit here and wait around hoping he'll actually do it now. Because so far he's shown no willingness to actually comply.
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It needs to be done, but no amount of shouting about it is going to make Lantz find time he doesn't have, and his real-life stuff comes first. He's said when he's busy until, so there is no point in even bringing it up until then. Once he's finished with his RL stuff, then he can get working on the sheet.
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So yeah future tuesday, as previously said. Elf should chime in and go yay/nay it at some point, seeing as this is her RP.
However for now I am going to stop having this conversation with myself over three/four different accounts while saying the same things over and over again when we've already reached a conclusion of some kind.
BECAUSE THIS WAS ALL ME GUYS.
OR WAS IT?
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Yeah, ultimately any decision here is Elf's and Elf's alone. I would imagine she'd be OK with it as long as Lantz is actually willing to improve the sheet, though.
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You sure are right, me!
Seriously though Lantz has to improve/add to his sheet because it's causing too much trouble right now, so his willingness is second to the will of the GM herself.
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Well, of course, but if Elf wanted to throw Lantz out of the RP she'd have done so already.
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Or maybe she does, but won't because a certain someone keeps threatening to walk out if she did...
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I've never said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked, I said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked because of you threatening to walk if she didn't. If Elf decides Lantz has to go then I will not be pleased about it, but it is her choice. However, if you are going to put pressure on her to kick him out by threatening to quit, it is only fair for me to put equal pressure in the opposite direction.
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KIDS STAHP FIGHTAN
man I'm schizo today.
Seriously though stahp, talking has already been made, Elf is the only person whose opinion matters now
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I've never said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked, I said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked because of you threatening to walk if she didn't. If Elf decides Lantz has to go then I will not be pleased about it, but it is her choice. However, if you are going to put pressure on her to kick him out by threatening to quit, it is only fair for me to put equal pressure in the opposite direction.
You've honestly never made that clear. Plus considering how I was feeling back then? And the fact that you knew how I was feeling? That's... not the nicest thing to do there. Not nice at all.
Though yeah, I'll stop. Though honestly, either way, I find this new information more than a bit insulting.
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I've never said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked, I said I would walk out if Lantz was kicked because of you threatening to walk if she didn't. If Elf decides Lantz has to go then I will not be pleased about it, but it is her choice. However, if you are going to put pressure on her to kick him out by threatening to quit, it is only fair for me to put equal pressure in the opposite direction.
You've honestly never made that clear. Plus considering how I was feeling back then? And the fact that you knew how I was feeling? That's... not the nicest thing to do there. Not nice at all.
Though yeah, I'll stop. Though honestly, either way, I find this new information more than a bit insulting.
However you were feeling, I wasn't going to let Lantz get kicked out of the RP like that. If Elf genuinely can't cope with him then it is unfair on her to force her to, but it is also unfair on her and on Lantz to force her to make a decision she doesn't want to make by threatening to quit if she doesn't.
And, I am sure I have stated this before, although perhaps not clearly enough. I never threatened to walk out if Elf makes a genuine decision (although I would still not necessarily be happy about it), but it has to be her decision.
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ermagurd shaddup
like
oh em gee
stop like, derailing and like, disrupting the forum, guyzzz
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Okay, for everyone's sakes, and because Satoshi currently wouldn't have any impact with any characters right now . . .
GM Ruling:
Lantz, you cannot post with Satoshi until his sheet is fleshed out. I'm sure Mike will help you with the edits and posting them. Hell, I'm pretty sure there are people here who could help you with the wording as well. However with all of this amazing, pardon my bluntness, bullshit, coming out at times this really needs to be done.
Seriously, look at Aiden's sheets. Those things are amazing and wonderful. Use them as an example to craft a good character sheet.
However, don't be surprised when characters react badly to things. They don't know what Satoshi's done or who he is. He's just some guy who happens to be an alternate Saber and Shirou's son. And to a lot of the characters here, that isn't going to mean dick to them. So don't be surprised if there are some What the Hell Hero reactions or what not.
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Elf, it's like christmas came early. Thank you.
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Oh, for Christ's sake, Arch, do you have to be an unrelenting asshole about it?
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That was kind of uncalled for when all the drama was settled already.
Speaking of which, Elf, Fuu Dawnstrider approved?
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My characters do what they will, I care not if others agree with, follow them or if in their endeavors succeed or fail. So long as they are given the freedom to succeed or fail without being forced to do so.
while I will eventually find time to edit the sheet and I will include as much as I can manage to find relevant I will never give up Satoshi's Shazam or kryptonite. That's a secret to be found through the game.
given that my characters operate on an aoe association consider me benched elf because this will take probably a month. Have fun
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My characters do what they will, I care not if others agree with, follow them or if in their endeavors succeed or fail. So long as they are given the freedom to succeed or fail without being forced to do so.
while I will eventually find time to edit the sheet and I will include as much as I can manage to find relevant I will never give up Satoshi's Shazam or kryptonite. That's a secret to be found through the game.
given that my characters operate on an aoe association consider me benched elf because this will take probably a month. Have fun
So you're basically refusing to conform to the rules of the game by including his actual weaknesses?
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No arch not it
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I'm sorry because that's what it looks like. If you're not telling this sort of stuff in your character sheet, you're sort of violating the character creation rules.
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Speaking of which, Elf, Fuu Dawnstrider approved?
The Cowboy has been approved!
And Lantz, everyone else has put up their weaknesses in their sheet.
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Also. Ivan? Neo's got the LAW coming after him soon.
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And it looks sir as if you want information on how to kill my characters.
edit: adding a this thing will cripple the character button is hardly a weakness. It's not the same thing at all, I'd prefer that be something pm'd so I can avoid the obvious attempt to trap and slaughter him elf. Normal weaknesses are fine on the sheet but a murder here sign really isn't
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And it looks sir as if you want information on how to kill my characters.
Not really, I just want you to follow the damn rules.
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Also. Ivan? Neo's got the LAW coming after him soon.
Doomrider!
Lantz, please, everyone has their weaknesses in their character sheets.
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Also. Ivan? Neo's got the LAW coming after him soon.
Doomrider!
Lantz, please, everyone has their weaknesses in their character sheets.
Actually, I was thinking my Scion, and having Doomrider hit that bar. Along with Henderson.
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I edited
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Your character sheet, you mean?
...Because it still says the last edit was July 22, 2013.
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I think he meant his earlier post above ^^^
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My prior post as posts happened in between
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Ah, gotcha. Nevermind. ^^"
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And it looks sir as if you want information on how to kill my characters.
edit: adding a this thing will cripple the character button is hardly a weakness. It's not the same thing at all, I'd prefer that be something pm'd so I can avoid the obvious attempt to trap and slaughter him elf. Normal weaknesses are fine on the sheet but a murder here sign really isn't
I don't see why this would be a problem unless Satoshi or someone else lets his weakness slip up in the RP or it becomes public knowledge, because if someone tried to use this knowledge on purpose otherwise, you would know for sure that they were metagaming, therefor could prevent the abuse.
I really don't see what the issue is. All of my characters have their weaknesses (deadly or otherwise) written in their sheets.
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I am unfortunately not able to be so trusting YOLF
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It's not a matter of being trusting or not lantz.
If you include the characters' weaknesses in their sheets, and someone tries to take advantage of them in character despite having had no way to gain such knowledge, it will be obviously recognizable as metagaming. And I doubt anyone will let metagaming with significant effect on the RP or done in a blatant way to pass.
Have you ever heard how kindness is "paying it forward"? Trust is also kinda like that, lantz.
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I don't disagree with your spirit YOLF, I am simply not so able to trust at this point.
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That is what most people call being uncooperative and obstinate lantz.
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Even if that were true it does not change the facts as they stand. I don't feel like I will be unmolested, if I tell the GM that should be more than enough, if the other players are trustworthy then what you say is true, and I would love to trust them in such a way that I could feel safe enough to write penultimate weaknesses in the sheet but it's not the case.
his weaknesses sure they can go on the sheet but the big ones aren't something I'm comfortable with.
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Everyone else has put their weaknesses on their sheets. All of them. How can we expect you to roleplay with us if you're not even willing to do that much?
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Goddamn it, here I go again.
Lantz, even if we know the ultimate weaknesses of your character in your character sheet, there's no way we can ever apply this knowledge to the RP in-character. Do you understand that?
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I'm aware Ivan that should be the case. But a certain player has a track record of attempted murder and as I have said I don't ass pull (except the business with the car but again that was to solve a specific issue and was sketchy, not outright impossible) powers so they could create a character with the ability to kill my characters specifically. As such that would leave me then with no way to do anything but have my character die which would ruin the game.
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They can't murder your characters unless you allow them to die. Basic rule.
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And a great rule but I'm actually a fan of realistic role playing. I don't ass pull or engage in curb stomps.
further Ivan said player is persistent about attempting murder of my characters or ignoring the basic rule about discussing change in a character with a player in question.
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There's a reason we got a GM. If someone goes metagame, there will be sanctions. Simple as that. No reason to hide informations.
Unless you don't trust Elf as someone impartial and that's another matter entirely.
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So are there any kemonomimi in this RP? Or MonMusu?
This is important. Very important.
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Look lantz, we all know we're talking about Magos. And yes, he really hates your characters and sloppy sheets, but he hasn't been trying to murder them as much as you would like to think. You're kind of victimizing yourself here.
Is he biased and so his character's judgements might be inadvertly skewed against your characters? Maybe a little. Has he been capitalizing on your 'mistakes' and less than likable portrayal of some of your characters on occasion to punish you? Yes. Is he trying to murder your characters as hard as he can without violating metagaming or otherwise rules? No.
And why is he doing all this? Because he is aggravated by your incomplete sheets, your characters' tendecy to jump into every confrontation to try and be the heroes (which is often justified by them having some ability that you didn't clarify or explain so it often seems like an asspull), and because he feels your roleplaying and attitude are subpar.
Is he right in being so rude and antagonistic towards you when he exposes these issues in this thread? Not really, but that's kind of the way he is, and it remains a fact that he often has a point about what he's trying to say, however drowned in what you take as deep personal assaults every time.
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So are there any kemonomimi in this RP? Or MonMusu?
This is important. Very important.
Aye, I guess.
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So are there any kemonomimi in this RP? Or MonMusu?
This is important. Very important.
I don't believe there are, no. :) ....You planning on fixing that? :3
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So are there any kemonomimi in this RP? Or MonMusu?
This is important. Very important.
I don't believe there are, no. :) ....You planning on fixing that? :3
There's a significant chance of being fixed, yes. :3
Granted, I probably have a few too many ideas, even for the allowance of 9 characters, so I'll have to streamline them before I complete any character sheet(s).
I mean, do I go for monster boy (peacock) Arda Mulissi http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/373-Create-a-Servant?p=1076738&viewfull=1#post1076738 (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/373-Create-a-Servant?p=1076738&viewfull=1#post1076738) ? 'cause that would be kinda weird. :p
Then again the other idea would be for a magus that manipulates metals into jaws of life or death by invoking spirits of futakuchi-onna. Because Mawile. :V
And then there's Ruud the Fire Emblem Shaman/Dark Mage/Druid/Sorcerer. I don't know if that would work out in this setting.
Granted, the first two likely are weird in their own right, but hey, I don't think I can RP as my dragon OC and get to glomp people to say hello. :(
[edit (3.5 or something)]
Then again, the more I think about it the more RPing as Arda-Mulissi sounds.
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Well, I guess we can settle for not lantz not being able to post with Satoshi until he cooperates. That settles things well enough, since it's what the GM stated.
On a different note, oh, Lyco's here. Hi Lyco!
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On a different note, oh, Lyco's here. Hi Lyco!
Thanks - and hi to you too, Aiden.
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Feel free to take a look at the character thread while you're thinking of ideas.
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Lantz, please, everyone has their weaknesses in their character sheets.
Yes, but everyone else doesn't have a player who is making every effort to kill their characters off at every opportunity....
There's a reason we got a GM. If someone goes metagame, there will be sanctions. Simple as that. No reason to hide informations.
Unless you don't trust Elf as someone impartial and that's another matter entirely.
Yeah, this is true. The problem is, though, it is not always obvious that someone is meta-gaming. Arch could easily make up a character that just happens to use that weakness as part of their natural fighting style. He's done things like that several times previously.
Honestly, I think Elf needs to take a closer look at stuff like that. If she promises that she won't let Arch get away with that sort of crap, then Lantz has far less reason to try to hide things.
Look lantz, we all know we're talking about Magos. And yes, he really hates your characters and sloppy sheets, but he hasn't been trying to murder them as much as you would like to think. You're kind of victimizing yourself here.
He kind-of has....
Look at the past incidents. Multiple times he has nit-picked something out of Lantz's character sheet or similar and used it as an excuse to kill Lantz. Including one time where he deliberately hid his character's alignment on the sheet to try to trick Lantz into acting in a particular manner that would get Toshi killed.
Well, I guess we can settle for not lantz not being able to post with Satoshi until he cooperates. That settles things well enough, since it's what the GM stated.
Well, yes, but he still needs to work out what needs to be in the sheet. And, him dropping out for some time does cause me significant problems, because Kiyoshi is stuck (due to being in a room with the others) and I can't bring in Sakura or family either because they come in through Kiyoshi.
I don't think Elf's decision is unreasonable, but it does cause Lantz significant problems. As others have found, having your character drop out for a significant length of time makes it difficult to re-integrate them.
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Except Elf's always GM ruled him to stand down. Remember going loud? Because I sure don't.
That should work both ways. Elf keeps him following the rules, and keeps Lantz doing the same.
It's that simple. In the end, Elf is that top of the food chain.
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Feel free to take a look at the character thread while you're thinking of ideas.
Did so - thank you for that advice. ^^
Hm...I may just opt to use my OC Lycodrake. It would give me really good practice writing him. :3
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Except Elf's always GM ruled him to stand down. Remember going loud? Because I sure don't.
That should work both ways. Elf keeps him following the rules, and keeps Lantz doing the same.
It's that simple. In the end, Elf is that top of the food chain.
True. In all the situations where Arch has tried something, Elf has found a non-ass-pully way out, or else has told Magos to take it back. If Magos does somehow just "happen" to find Toshi's weakness ICly, I suspect Elf will not let him just abuse it. Plus, Toshi has allies, who wouldn't just let him get killed....
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Right. Therefore, the weakness section of the sheet should be filled up like everyone else's.
Because of what you just said.
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Is the character page thread final draft only? Because I probably need my application reviewed before I post it - if that's the case.
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You can edit after you post, so don't worry about it. Elf will tell you if it needs work.
Oh, and while we don't strictly have any Monster Girls, we do kinda have the protag of Monster Girl quest. And we've got Mewtwo.
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You can edit after you post, so don't worry about it. Elf will tell you if it needs work.
Sounds good to me. Hopefully it isn't too terrible.
Posting in a sec. XP
Oh, and while we don't strictly have any Monster Girls, we do kinda have the protag of Monster Girl quest. And we've got Mewtwo.
Luka and Mewtwo are quite boss.
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You can edit after you post, so don't worry about it. Elf will tell you if it needs work.
Oh, and while we don't strictly have any Monster Girls, we do kinda have the protag of Monster Girl quest. And we've got Mewtwo.
Well, Rider is kind-of a monster girl (she counted for Luca, at least). Although liking Athena is probably not a good start in that respect....
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Just be ready to knife fight Valda.
Hint: The knife is a fusion reactor.
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Well, Rider is kind-of a monster girl (she counted for Luca, at least). Although liking Athena is probably not a good start in that respect....
Well, I know we disagree about Athena, Mike. It's okay, really - makes for interesting character interaction...if such an occasion arises.
I doubt Rider likes Ares/Mars any more or less, so there's that common ground.
Just be ready to knife fight Valda.
Hint: The knife is a fusion reactor.
oh dear
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Well, Rider is kind-of a monster girl (she counted for Luca, at least). Although liking Athena is probably not a good start in that respect....
Well, I know we disagree about Athena, Mike. It's okay, really - makes for interesting character interaction...if such an occasion arises.
I doubt Rider likes Ares/Mars any more or less, so there's that common ground.
Well, remember that Athena is the one who is responsible for Rider's situation. She's not going to be fond of her one bit. I doubt she'll like Ares either, but he won't be on anything like the same level as Athena.
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Well, remember that Athena is the one who is responsible for Rider's situation. She's not going to be fond of her one bit. I doubt she'll like Ares either, but he won't be on anything like the same level as Athena.
Poseidon played a major part, too. Arguably more significant.
And really, one of the major theories is that Athena couldn't curse Poseidon for his evil act, so she had to - similar to an "impulse" - punish someone for desecrating her temple. I'm defending Athena, but I'm not justifying her cursing Medusa and her sisters.
I just want to get the other viewpoint on it out there.
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Well, remember that Athena is the one who is responsible for Rider's situation. She's not going to be fond of her one bit. I doubt she'll like Ares either, but he won't be on anything like the same level as Athena.
Poseidon played a major part, too. Arguably more significant.
And really, one of the major theories is that Athena couldn't curse Poseidon for his evil act, so she had to - similar to an "impulse" - punish someone for desecrating her temple. I'm defending Athena, but I'm not justifying her cursing Medusa and her sisters.
I just want to get the other viewpoint on it out there.
Yeah, "I had to punish someone so I picked on you because you were the easy target" is of approximately the same level of validity as "I was only following orders" when it comes to justifying immoral acts. You made the decision, unless there was someone there actually forcing you to do it then stop passing the damn buck. And even if there was you shouldn't expect much in the way of sympathy from the victim....
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Actually the bit with the alignment is more because a Demon's moral code isn't hardwired into him. Besides, I messaged Elf about his actual alignment.
I had no idea that the Rider arm affected only Evil. I really didn't, because there was no fucking clue about that in the sheet.
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Yeah, "I had to punish someone so I picked on you because you were the easy target" is of approximately the same level of validity as "I was only following orders" when it comes to justifying immoral acts. You made the decision, unless there was someone there actually forcing you to do it then stop passing the damn buck. And even if there was you shouldn't expect much in the way of sympathy from the victim....
That's one way to look at it, yep. And the last sentence is very, very true.
However, I'd like to note that only in the cases of the Gorgon sisters and Arachne does Athena act unjustly. Which could be attributed to verbal/written tradition in Greek mythology "humanizing" her away from a "perfect goddess" - making her more relatable as someone who has made mistakes.
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Actually the bit with the alignment is more because a Demon's moral code isn't hardwired into him.
I see.
Besides, I messaged Elf about his actual alignment.
But isn't that exactly what you're complaining at Lantz for wanting to do?
I had no idea that the Rider arm affected only Evil. I really didn't, because there was no fucking clue about that in the sheet.
Hmm, I thought that had been mentioned somewhere. Possibly it was in one of his posts, then....
Yeah, "I had to punish someone so I picked on you because you were the easy target" is of approximately the same level of validity as "I was only following orders" when it comes to justifying immoral acts. You made the decision, unless there was someone there actually forcing you to do it then stop passing the damn buck. And even if there was you shouldn't expect much in the way of sympathy from the victim....
That's one way to look at it, yep. And the last sentence is very, very true.
However, I'd like to note that only in the cases of the Gorgon sisters and Arachne does Athena act unjustly. Which could be attributed to verbal/written tradition in Greek mythology "humanizing" her away from a "perfect goddess" - making her more relatable as someone who has made mistakes.
I think that's kind-of beside the point, though. Even if she only did one evil thing in her entire life, if you're the victim of it and it ruined your life totally, you're unlikely to have a good opinion of her.
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I think that's kind-of beside the point, though. Even if she only did one evil thing in her entire life, if you're the victim of it and it ruined your life totally, you're unlikely to have a good opinion of her.
I wasn't and won't disagree with that.
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Alright that's the first part of that done, sorry I couldn't get the second part for Downy and friends I ran out of time and have to go to work now oh well I'll get it done when I get back.
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Besides, I messaged Elf about his actual alignment.
But isn't that exactly what you're complaining at Lantz for wanting to do?
No, this is something entirely different (for that matter, Satoshi doesn't have an alignment on his sheet right now either) because while Alignment in the end doesn't really matter, weaknesses do.
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Wait...
Mil...did Lobelia just save Reina from the explosion?
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Lycodrake Aptera is approved.
Just, as a warning though, don't be too surprised if some characters start freaking out at the sight of a talking, wingless dragon.
Not to mention the situation with Lantz- I've generally ruled in his favor. I'm to the point where I might make a GM ruling where Lantz and Magos's characters can't interact with each other.
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Just, as a warning though, don't be too surprised if some characters start freaking out at the sight of a talking, wingless dragon.
Well, judging by his sheet, Toshi is a talking, wingless dragon :P
Not to mention the situation with Lantz- I've generally ruled in his favor. I'm to the point where I might make a GM ruling where Lantz and Magos's characters can't interact with each other.
Yeah, something like that might not be a bad idea. At very least you should probably stop things like Magos' attempts to kill Lantz's characters. Preventing them interacting entirely is difficult due to the nature of the RP.
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Lycodrake Aptera is approved.
Yaaay!~
Just, as a warning though, don't be too surprised if some characters start freaking out at the sight of a talking, wingless dragon.
That's half the fun for both sides, Elf! :3
Changing to a better suiting avatar.~
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Lyco doesn't know subways, but he's going to explore and hopefully meet up with someone or something.
Hopefully. Maybe. Potentially. Possibly.
[edit #?]
...hoping I didn't mess up somehow...
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I'm just waiting on Alice with Tom, Rin and her Archer.
Well, Lyco, he'd probably run into some vampires. Because Frost's boys are punks.
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Well, Lyco, he'd probably run into some vampires. Because Frost's boys are punks.
I'll need to read through the IC thread to get details on that conflict, then. I know a bit about Deacon Frost - haven't lurked the IC some - but then meta-knowledge for IC Lyco won't be a thing. The vampires of [Nexus] City likely won't know what's going through the subways and likely capable of hitting them like a train. :3
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I'm just waiting on Alice with Tom, Rin and her Archer.
Rider and Mille are waiting on Lancer, though.
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And I am waiting for, again, no one. So I'm sending Neo to the bar.
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I'm waiting on Gabriel, and Valda's waiting on Luka, which is still my bad.
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I could kick Tywin into gear for you Lyco. Don't worry about that.
Dragon/Scion tag team bros 4 lyfe.
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To Kaiza: Yes she did, she may be a general of ruin bent on destroying the world as she knows it but if she's gonna kill someone she wants to do it herself not with some stupid magic circle. (Also she was one the savior of the world believe it or not.)
Also a second reminder to those who are caught up to the Medea attack, this explosion is happening at the same time so be sure that you recognize it. (I mean who wouldn't recognize an explosion equivalent to a high ranking NP.)
Ok I'll let Elf have Deacon Frost respond to the giant explosion nearby as well as the water attack from Imnity, hmm besides that I think I'm finally all caught up.
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I could kick Tywin into gear for you Lyco. Don't worry about that.
Dragon/Scion tag team bros 4 lyfe.
A Scion son of Tyr and pet surrogate dragon-son of [Athena] Nike teaming up, hm? Not bad at all. :3
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Hello everyone, is there still space--
(http://i.imgur.com/6bA1xWa.jpg)
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Yo there Sol.
Don't worry, you'll get acclimatized rather quickly.
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One hopes, hahaha!
That aside, IRC!!!
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That aside, IRC!!!
What?
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It was a heads up for me, don't mind it.
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Yup, still plenty of room. :3 Welcome to Cross Effects! :D
...Yeah, ignore most of the thread for now. ^^" It's suffered more than a bit of drama over the past few months or so. Though it should be relatively drama free for a month minimum for now at least, so for now I wouldn't worry about it too much. :)
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Behold, the sensational scholastic aptitude of Kiyoura Chiyo.
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Oh Aiden. That is just...
Good job Chiyo you're hilarious.
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Oh Aiden. That is just...
Good job Chiyo you're hilarious.
I got bored, it came to me.
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Check your PM's elf, I sent the clarified sheet to you before I change anything
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Satoshi's new Sheet has been approved but I do have a few conditions.
I do want you aware that I'm a bit leery about approving this; Satoshi is very over-powered.
Condition Number One: No Rider Arm. Please do not activate it in the RP proper. It can be used for comedic effect in the Velvet Room, but please refrain from using it in the RP.
Condition Number Two: I am the GM here, not you. So please do not be surprised if people act differently than you want. This isn't a fanfic. If you want that, you're more than free to go write it on your own. People have a right to refuse an "event" you want to do. Also, please don't have Satoshi butt in and "save the day". See the recent thing with Lucas and trying to validate MOS Shirou after he tried to kill Hakuno. Also if someone wants their character to stay dead, please don't have Satoshi do a Fate/Stay Jesus. So, no means no.
Condition Number Three: Protection of the Elements- I'll allow it, but it has to fail on occasion. It cannot be a fail safe; that makes it smack too much of a Godmode Cheat here.
Now this last thing I want to say goes to all the players- Please treat everyone how you would like to be treated. Golden rule people. If you have a problem with a character and how they're being played please bring it up. However be polite about it. Saying that they're fucking up and god fuck shit damn holy bitch christ doesn't help anyone. However going, "Well, I don't agree with how you're writing Character A, seems OCC" is a bit better.
Have I made myself clear?
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...Jesus fucking christ on a cracker he's fucking overpowered.
One sheet down, the rest to go Lantz.
EDIT:
For that matter, a month? Looks like that actual foot slamming by Elf got you to actually do something.
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(http://i.imgur.com/bG3E2Cq.jpg)
Naw, I kid. Kinda.
Well, at least now the sheet is much clearer. That's a thing.
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Honestly, even with those conditions I still question that sheet being approved. It's too OP, how it violates Nasuverse canon is atrocious, and I don't trust lantz to play him responsibly even with those conditions in place.
...So much for there being no drama for a month...
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I think Elf's conditions eliminate most of the inherent problems, honestly.
There are characters in this RP that could do a lot as villains that Satoshi couldn't stop, for one.
*wink wink nudge nudge*
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I think Elf's conditions eliminate most of the inherent problems, honestly.
I went over the conditions with Cherry before posting them, and if anyone is in Lantz's corner it's him.
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Well, I think they work.
Now, less drama and more RPing. Elf, Mooncake, let's get things moving at the bar?
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after ab it of alcohol that sheet becomes p funny
stole mordred's sword to do it right this time pff hahaha
i'm sorry I can't
and his weaknesses haha
1: the ability possessed by enkidu and that one class in FF5 no one ever used, because dressing up like sheep is lame
2: Something else, lot ciontrivance or something
Satoshi being beaten up by sheepmen is the cool part
Just imagine
so fluffy
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My characters act when they see an issue, if other characters don't like a strong sense of self and a lack of hesitation it's no skin off my rear. My characters are who they are, I never said anyone had to like or follow them, heroes are heroes they can't succeed all the time, intent matters a lot though.
Also, Satoshi versus Sheep man...
I could see Sheep man winning, as I recall he's weak to baseballs, not fire.
edit: elf had nothing to do with it Arch, my company took Ill thanks to a mutual friend giving him the sick and that freed up time to write it up.
as for the rest of the sheets they aren't exactly unclear so I don't expect they need editing.
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Then that's a violation of Condition Two. On those grounds, I say that's licence for Toshi's approval to be undone. She made those conditions for a reason. You have no right to go over the GM's head here.
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What the fuck are you talking about Alice?
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Satoshi's new Sheet has been approved but I do have a few conditions.
I do want you aware that I'm a bit leery about approving this; Satoshi is very over-powered.
Condition Number One: No Rider Arm. Please do not activate it in the RP proper. It can be used for comedic effect in the Velvet Room, but please refrain from using it in the RP.
Condition Number Two: I am the GM here, not you. So please do not be surprised if people act differently than you want. This isn't a fanfic. If you want that, you're more than free to go write it on your own. People have a right to refuse an "event" you want to do. Also, please don't have Satoshi butt in and "save the day". See the recent thing with Lucas and trying to validate MOS Shirou after he tried to kill Hakuno. Also if someone wants their character to stay dead, please don't have Satoshi do a Fate/Stay Jesus. So, no means no.
Condition Number Three: Protection of the Elements- I'll allow it, but it has to fail on occasion. It cannot be a fail safe; that makes it smack too much of a Godmode Cheat here.
Now this last thing I want to say goes to all the players- Please treat everyone how you would like to be treated. Golden rule people. If you have a problem with a character and how they're being played please bring it up. However be polite about it. Saying that they're fucking up and god fuck shit damn holy bitch christ doesn't help anyone. However going, "Well, I don't agree with how you're writing Character A, seems OCC" is a bit better.
Have I made myself clear?
These. You know, the things you have to do in order for Toshi to be playable? You just violated Condition Two of that by saying what you just did.
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Oi oi, let's calm down shall we?
Lantz is basically just stating that "Satoshi will try to be a hero when he can regardless of failure or whatever the outcome is". Contriving him to always be the hero in the RP is a different thing, so let's wait and trust in lantz to not shove Satoshi into those situations anymore.
Also, Alice, I think you should take another short break from this at least and really relax. I realize you're personally fed up, but I can see you're terribly stressed over this and it isn't healthy for you.
M'kay?
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Um, no, no I didn't. I said my characters act the the way they do and if other characters don't like that it doesn't bother me, nor does my characters failing or succeeding.
recently Satoshi failed with Lucas because he was Ill informed. I'm not bothered by that, it's what happened.
I'm saying regardless of the outcome I will play my characters in character.
edit: this was replying to Alice
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Lantz, what Elf is saying is that Toshi can't solve every single problem himself. The RP is no fun for anyone else if it's just the Toshi show. The stuff with Lucas, for example, there was no need for Toshi to just jump in there and attempt to resolve it on his own, everyone else was doing just fine and was enjoying RPing it.
Hell, it even says on your sheet that Toshi doesn't usually help unless asked, so you can't really call it out of character....
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No character can solve everything by themselves, nor did he try with Lucas, he was given information and acted because as far as he knew no one else had done so and because they had not given him all the information he made a mistake.
Further if a hero does not try, especially in a situation where some ding dong kicks in the door and starts trouble, then he can't really be a hero. And succeed or fail Satoshi is a hero. He'll always try to deal with the issues at hand when they are thrown in his face.
he's not fixing everything but he won't ignore the world around him. Four people are dead in game at this point . Ignoring the events and attacks would be completely out of character as they have been dropped at his feet.
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Lantz, Satoshi wanting to help is fine, but what you can't do is just have Toshi basically make everyone else obsolete. Toshi can't be the only good guy in the RP whose actions actually matter, that is extremely dull for everyone else.
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Lantz, Satoshi wanting to help is fine, but what you can't do is just have Toshi basically make everyone else obsolete. Toshi can't be the only good guy in the RP whose actions actually matter, that is extremely dull for everyone else.
This. This pretty much sums up everything in a nutshell.
Dude, this is stressing me out (which I know no one is going to care about). I'm tired of all the whining entitled bullshit.
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Well, I think they work.
Now, less drama and more RPing. Elf, Mooncake, let's get things moving at the bar?
*adjusts monocle*
Right on, old sport!
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Dude, this is stressing me out (which I know no one is going to care about). I'm tired of all the whining entitled bullshit.
Actually, I think a lot of people care that you're stressed. :) Which is why the drama needs to stop and lantz needs to listen to you.
Also, Alice, I think you should take another short break from this at least and really relax. I realize you're personally fed up, but I can see you're terribly stressed over this and it isn't healthy for you.
M'kay?
Yeah, I probably do. ^^" Especially since some of my thoughts as of very recently haven't exactly been healthy ones. ^^"
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Yeaaah, we kinda do care, Elf. I do, at least. And I have to say, it's pretty bad that this is also stressing you out of all people already.
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My two cents, but...I don't think this should have gotten to the point where both Elf and Alice-Revy are stressing. :(
Stress doesn't help anyone - besides those people who are fueled by it, but I think that's unhealthy anyway.
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No, definitely, it's not good at all.
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as for the rest of the sheets they aren't exactly unclear so I don't expect they need editing.
AM and Saber Alter and the rest do need serious TLC.
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So, how's work on posting stuff?
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Thinking of fitting ways to bring in Tywin. Other than that, nada.
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So, how's work on posting stuff?
I'm going to try to get something up tonight, but no promises. I have a super early work day tomorrow that I'll also be working ten hours straight, so that means I'll have to go to bed early or I'm going to hate the world. Work has been of the suck this week too. Apparently I'm the only person who can do what I do at work and I'm treated as if I'm the only person to save the world. It gets really fucking annoying.
Also, I don't like being stressed- it makes me aggressive.
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So, how's work on posting stuff?
I'm going to try to get something up tonight, but no promises. I have a super early work day tomorrow that I'll also be working ten hours straight, so that means I'll have to go to bed early or I'm going to hate the world. Work has been of the suck this week too. Apparently I'm the only person who can do what I do at work and I'm treated as if I'm the only person to save the world. It gets really fucking annoying.
Also, I don't like being stressed- it makes me aggressive.
Ouch- Just take it easy then Elf; no need to rush
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What he said. :( Your IRL stuff and your health takes top priority. Plus I have yet to post on my stuff due to being tired and stressed for lesser reasons, so there's no rush at all. :)
....I will post, eventually. ....Maybe.
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Lucas was a matter of Satoshi not being given the whole facts, he thought he had them when forest stopped at keep him off the ground. Which obviously was not the case, I think the mistake was perfectly understandable and notice he didn't do anything before the information was given guys, that means Satoshi acted on implied directions and was not "fixing everything"
my characters are easy to get along with, just don't attack their beliefs or do monstrous stuff and they're pretty chilled out. Seriously it's not hard. They are friendly, look at rider, Kiyoshi, Forest and James with Bloble's suit bro.
I'm not even out to have Satoshi or the others in every conflict, they just keep getting dropped at my feet and my characters can't ignore sudden blood bath.
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Lantz. You've said your piece repeatedly.
The dead horse is pretty tired of being beat.
If it makes you feel any better, Satoshi and Friends just might be getting a mission to go on soon.
I mean, I doubt some of you even realize what all I do in a day. I work over 8 hours a day, come home, help make dinner, wash dishes, do laundry, and then work on my serial for JukePop. Then I go to bed and repeat the same thing the next day. Sometimes I have to work six days a week. So I'm trying the best I can and something that was suppose to be a fun hobby, but it's starting to feel more like a chore.
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You're a far stronger woman than I. Take it easy, you deserve all the breaks you can get. :)
And lantz. Shut the hell up.
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Lucas was a matter of Satoshi not being given the whole facts, he thought he had them when forest stopped at keep him off the ground. Which obviously was not the case, I think the mistake was perfectly understandable and notice he didn't do anything before the information was given guys, that means Satoshi acted on implied directions and was not "fixing everything"
my characters are easy to get along with, just don't attack their beliefs or do monstrous stuff and they're pretty chilled out. Seriously it's not hard. They are friendly, look at rider, Kiyoshi, Forest and James with Bloble's suit bro.
I'm not even out to have Satoshi or the others in every conflict, they just keep getting dropped at my feet and my characters can't ignore sudden blood bath.
Hey Lantz? As Yoda would say, 'Up, the Fuck Shut.'
You're getting on Elf's nerves with your bullshit, so please just shut the fuck up about it before she slaps you into the stratosphere, m'kay?
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animalism is a beastmaster's control-y thing at higher levels, pretty much
huh
No sheepmen required, I guess
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animalism is a beastmaster's control-y thing at higher levels, pretty much
huh
No sheepmen required, I guess
For that matter, Raul is a walking breathing temporal anomaly.
Actually, 4 Minutes Ago should have severely weakened Satoshi because it works by basically creating a temporal anomaly.
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no see the temporal disturbance he's talking about is random and affects only satoshi
so basically it's Plot
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For that matter, Raul is a walking breathing temporal anomaly.
Actually, 4 Minutes Ago should have severely weakened Satoshi because it works by basically creating a temporal anomaly.
He's more of a walking anomaly in existence.
But yeah, you have a point about 4 Minutes Ago.
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Hey guys, be nice.
Hopefully after this snafu we can get back into things and attempt to get along.
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On 3ds, but I'd like to thank Elf and Revy-Alice for the work they've put into this RP. One of the main reasons I wanted to join was because I had lurked it a bit and saw how interesting, fun, and structured it was and is. Those details and the chance to learn from RP'ing alongside Elf and a few of my friends, of curse.
...though I have heard rumors of rumors about Revy-Alice writing lemons related to the RP. ›.›
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On 3ds, but I'd like to thank Elf and Revy-Alice for the work they've put into this RP. One of the main reasons I wanted to join was because I had lurked it a bit and saw how interesting, fun, and structured it was and is. Those details and the chance to learn from RP'ing alongside Elf and a few of my friends, of curse.
...though I have heard rumors of rumors about Revy-Alice writing lemons related to the RP. ›.›
It exists. Find it. It's pretty good lemon.
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On 3ds, but I'd like to thank Elf and Revy-Alice for the work they've put into this RP. One of the main reasons I wanted to join was because I had lurked it a bit and saw how interesting, fun, and structured it was and is. Those details and the chance to learn from RP'ing alongside Elf and a few of my friends, of curse.
...though I have heard rumors of rumors about Revy-Alice writing lemons related to the RP. ›.›
Aww, thank you. :) Though Elf's more the one to thank than me. :)
And those rumors may or may not be true...
>_>
<_<
There's three within the RP itself I helped co-write. Otherwise not much else on that front yet. ^^" Elf-sensei lends me her guidance and participation for all three! :D
Now your mental image of me is ruined forever! Muahahahahaha! >:3
... ;_;
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Now your mental image of me is ruined forever! Muahahahahaha! >:3
... ;_;
Revy-Alice is still Revy-Alice to me; I was just curious. :)
and hey you even encouraged me to improve upon my crappy 1.5 and 11 PWP thing :3
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Revy-Alice is still Revy-Alice to me; I was just curious. :)
Tis all good- I'm just giving myself a good natured prodding. :3 Gotta poke fun at yourself every once in awhile you know. :3
and hey you even encouraged me to improve upon my crappy 1.5 and 11 PWP thing :3
Glad I could help~ :3 Though I'm sure it's not crappy. :)
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You asked me to make them more relatable elf, I'm just pointing out they aren't as hard to get along with as people seem to claim. Can't get anything to change if people don't hear it
edit: the fourm went weird and reversed the page order...
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Now your mental image of me is ruined forever! Muahahahahaha! >:3
... ;_;
Revy-Alice is still Revy-Alice to me; I was just curious. :)
and hey you even encouraged me to improve upon my crappy 1.5 and 11 PWP thing :3
.........Waaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Wait wait wait. This is probably a stupidly straight-forward question, but is Alice literally the same person who signed under "Revy" on Beast's Lair?
And if so, is she the one who wrote, gahhhh, I think it was a CYOA, that featured a water-affinity magus trying to duke it out w/ Ciel?
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Nah, that's not me. My username on BL is Reverselogic. :) ...my only claim to fame on there really is a few of the banners in the rotating banner thing. ^^"
...I was wondering how long it would take to get the two of us confused once that nickname came into play. :P
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Sadnesssssssssssss ;_;
Buuuuuuut, at least it's clarified from the get-go. Thank you for that.
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Nah, that's not me. My username on BL is Reverselogic. :) ...my only claim to fame on there really is a few of the banners in the rotating banner thing. ^^"
...I was wondering how long it would take to get the two of us confused once that nickname came into play. :P
I recall it confusing me for a while when you first showed up on old DSM.
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Nah, that's not me. My username on BL is Reverselogic. :) ...my only claim to fame on there really is a few of the banners in the rotating banner thing. ^^"
...I was wondering how long it would take to get the two of us confused once that nickname came into play. :P
Nonsense, you were also my partner in crime for Cat Hell Day. :3
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Ah, yes, that's true. :3 We spread the joy of dancing Caskos to the world. :3
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Lol, I don't remember much of that, I mostly remember being really annoyed about it because it was the one day I had off work after two weeks on holiday....
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Ah, yes, that's true. :3 We spread the joy of dancing Caskos to the world. :3
Indeed. :3
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Ah, yes, that's true. :3 We spread the joy of dancing Caskos to the world. :3
Nonsense, you were also my partner in crime for Cat Hell Day. :3
(http://i.imgur.com/wIl4Ug4.gif)
Nevar forget the true master of Cat Hell day
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Ah, yes, that's true. :3 We spread the joy of dancing Caskos to the world. :3
Nonsense, you were also my partner in crime for Cat Hell Day. :3
(http://i.imgur.com/wIl4Ug4.gif)
Nevar forget the true master of Cat Hell day
Difficult to forget the male protagonist of Fate/Extra. :V
:P
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(http://i.imgur.com/CqApOfI.gif)
Male extra protagonist? Who that, some poser
git out ma hood
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(http://i.imgur.com/CqApOfI.gif)
Male extra protagonist? Who that, some poser
git out ma hood
And so the truth has been made known.
Fast Wheels is Kayneth's rapper name.
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He used all of his rap money to make a huge hit fast food restaurant
KFC
A.K.A.
Kayneth's Fried Circuits
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Finally posted. I honestly think it's a pretty terrible post, but it gets the job done. ^^"
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Alice, if you're talking about the vampire girl, she's kinda... well, brainwashed to hell and back. All you'd get out of her is two weeks of torture and the blurry image of a blond, sunglasses-wearing man in a red and black suit.
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Nah, it's Mille's brain he's picking at. :) She's going to spot one of the cameras in my next post with her. :3 ...and this is why foreshadowing doesn't always work so well in an RP. ^^"
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Not sure if I should bring Tywin in now (At this moment) or not, I'd rather not interfere with anyone elses posts.
Edit: Fuck it, Lyco, you ready to bring on some JUSTICE!
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OK, Lantz, what the fuck happened in your last post?
If Satoshi has that mental defense prison thing, (Or did Elf force you to lose that idiotic idea, I'm not sure if she did or not) why does he need either of those spells, and for that matter, what the hell is he even thinking about, it doesn't make any sense.
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Also, I'm just wondering, wasn't Satoshi only supposed to revert to his true age upon contact with temporal anomalies? I'm a little confused what this was about.
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He has surface Thoughts arch, and like sodium pentothal some psychic powers are the equal to truth serum, he doesn't want people to know he's changing
edit: the reasoning for not being affected by that four mins thing is because I didn't know that is what it actually was, and further the Rider arm was in use so the energy transfer makes sense to block out the effect, plus it makes story sense for why the arm can't be used.
what's happening is the change YOLF look at the weaknesses on his sheet.
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Humm. I get what's happening to him, I was just confused at what caused it, since we didn't really see any temporal anomaly go off.
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He has surface Thoughts arch, and like sodium pentothal some psychic powers are the equal to truth serum, he doesn't want people to know he's changing
edit: the reasoning for not being affected by that four mins thing is because I didn't know that is what it actually was, and further the Rider arm was in use so the energy transfer makes sense to block out the effect, plus it makes story sense for why the arm can't be used.
what's happening is the change YOLF look at the weaknesses on his sheet.
Dude, Four Minutes Ago is pretty obviously a Temporal anomaly from how I described it. Raul fucking REWOUND TIME.
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To be fair Magos, it's been a while in the RP since it happened so I think there's no point in adressing it now. <,<
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To be fair Magos, it's been a while in the RP since it happened so I think there's no point in adressing it now. <,<
True, but if this was always part of Lantz's descriptions for Satoshi, then he should have had this happen to him far earlier.
Really, Lantz, you seriously need to clarify that last post I have no idea what the fuck happened.
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you guys are missing the point
mewtwo in two words
absolutely disgusting
hue
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Also, editing in some more information about Tywin's Purviews and exactly what his powers are through them.
He's specced in Justice and Guardian, the second through his Birthright.
EDIT: Done. He can haunt you forever for not paying that traffic ticket five years ago. Be afraid. Be. Very. Afraid.
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Also, editing in some more information about Tywin's Purviews and exactly what his powers are through them.
He's specced in Justice and Guardian, the second through his Birthright.
EDIT: Done. He can haunt you forever for not paying that traffic ticket five years ago. Be afraid. Be. Very. Afraid.
Neo's gonna get fucked.
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Neo is going to be so fucked, if only through that second power. I doubt he's ever felt actual guilt - that's really going to fuck him up.
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Neo is going to be so fucked, if only through that second power. I doubt he's ever felt actual guilt - that's really going to fuck him up.
The problem with Neo is his morality makes him feel not guilty for killing people because he doesn't see killing people as wrong. Rattus, on the other had, has conventional morality - all those coffins in his conscience, man. All those coffins. Plus PTSD.
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Ah, my bad. Misreading the power a little there.
Ouch. That sounds pretty damn awful for him.
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For Rattus? Damn right, you should read his origin.
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Humm. I get what's happening to him, I was just confused at what caused it, since we didn't really see any temporal anomaly go off.
There's a bit in the sheet about him cycling between forms when he is low on mana. That is what just happened....
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Not sure if I should bring Tywin in now (At this moment) or not, I'd rather not interfere with anyone elses posts.
Edit: Fuck it, Lyco, you ready to bring on some JUSTICE!
Just woke up, but yes, I'm ready for some justice.
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Well, I suppose to Lyco, he would look like a young adult. Despite being in his thirties.
Humm. I get what's happening to him, I was just confused at what caused it, since we didn't really see any temporal anomaly go off.
There's a bit in the sheet about him cycling between forms when he is low on mana. That is what just happened....
...I thought he was some infinite mana generator?
For that matter, who the fuck is he talking to?
And why did he ignore the two obviously seriously fucked up people in the garage?
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Read the sheet, he actively blocked off the infinite prana ability himself.
he's remembering a thing and having a bit of a laugh to himself.
and he ignored people because he wants to not draw attention to himself for the time being
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Read the sheet, he actively blocked off the infinite prana ability himself.
he's remembering a thing and having a bit of a laugh to himself.
and he ignored people because he wants to not draw attention to himself for the time being
Walking in wearing a stupid robe and talking to yourself is about the exact opposite of avoiding attention.
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I think that the stupid robe is still better than the alternative in that regard. The "talking to himself" bit is admittedly unhelpful, though....
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I think that the stupid robe is still better than the alternative in that regard. The "talking to himself" bit is admittedly unhelpful, though....
However, it's fitting because he's an old man now! Old people tend to talk to themselves you know. Seriously, they do. During high school I use to spend Saturday mornings at the nursing home my father was the assistant director of nursing in waiting for him to finish paper work to go out. I saw a lot of old people wandering around, talking to themselves, and so on and so forth.
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So, I'm an old man, then? :P
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However, it's fitting because he's an old man now!
Competition for Old Man Henderson, I suppose.
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So, I'm an old man, then? :P
I have a really good zinger I could use right here, but I'm going to be nice and subdue my snark.
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In my current job I work for old people, and I'd say maybe one out of twenty seniors talk to themselves, and it's usually the fussy kind who probably talked to themselves when they were just thirty, too.
I don't count the mumblers, because usually they're actually trying to talk to someone.
But anyway have at thee, seniors don't talk to themselves any more than the average person!
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Magos, if you want me to post more just ask! I'm willing to, but I am a bit rusty on RP'ing directly with another PC. >.>
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It's fine, I'm currently running Dark Souls Prepare To Die, and it's booting me out every 25 minutes. On the dot.
Fucking games for windows...
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It's fine, I'm currently running Dark Souls Prepare To Die, and it's booting me out every 25 minutes. On the dot.
Fucking games for windows...
Ah, okay; justmaking sure. And yeah, windows games seem to struggle more than the rest.
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I'm waiting, Mooncake.
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It's fine, I'm currently running Dark Souls Prepare To Die, and it's booting me out every 25 minutes. On the dot.
Fucking games for windows...
Ah, okay; justmaking sure. And yeah, windows games seem to struggle more than the rest.
No, it's the Games for Windows Live DRM BS that's pissing me off. It's irritating as fuck. Kicks me out every 25 minutes... despite being signed in.
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Bleh, another crappy post, but it's there! Posting in parts again so people don't have to wait on me quite so much.
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You are right Names, however, Satoshi is having a moment remembering when he was changed into the form he currently inhabits.
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Lantz, it's not clear how Toshi got into the house undetected. Admittedly, the layout of the house is not clear, but I'm not sure there is any entrance other than the garage, and I'm not sure how he got past the room of people to reach the stairs.
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After the garage there should be a hallway kinda thing that has the stairs in it, at least that's what I assumed
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Yeah, that probably makes sense. I wouldn't expect you to have to go through the kitchen to get from the garage to the stairs.
Although, there were a couple of people in the garage....
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And I think Forest was on the stairs. Plus he'd still have to get by Rin and Archer...
Basically, leave other people chances to react, especially to something like this.
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Well, to be fair, he did post it in three parts and left a day between the second and third part.
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Last I remember they were in a room not on the stair well
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He still would have had to have gotten by Jack and Nessa in the garage, then Tom, Forest, the two Archers, and Hakuno in the other room (none were on the stairs as I recall, but he still would have had to have gotten by them to get to the stairs). That's a lot of people. And I don't recall one of those spells he cast being of invisibility or of stealth.
And the fact he posted in pieces is not much justification here because those posts were so confusing and unclear that it was hard to know where he was even at. You can hardly react when you don't really know if you're supposed to be reacting to it to begin with or if you don't know if it's there.
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I took it as the room they were in exited into the hallway where the stairs are, not that it linked to the garage making it two rooms to pass through, as for the garage I thought Arch's vampire and Nessa were outside.
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Well, I can't imagine the garage exits into the kitchen, so you're probably right there. As for Jack and Nessa, yeah, that's just a slight oversight.
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I remember Arch's vampire talking to rider, who, if I recall correctly, is outside.
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That was way earlier. Later Nessa found him and helped him to the garage.
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See, Lantz, that's because at the time, Jack was outside after nearly getting killed by Ruu. He then moved inside, which I showed in a post. At the time he and Nessa went inside the garage, Satoshit was still outside. So. If he went inside, he should have ran into the pair of them. And he seemingly gives no fucks about a dude with half his ribcage sprouting from his chest.
What a kind, caring, and heroic individual.
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Krokodil? Man, that shit's nasty.
You know what it does? It turns fat tissues into soap. That's why people start look like they're "rotting" after being on it for a while.
Stick to meth. It doesn't make you rot.
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Krokodil? Man, that shit's nasty.
You know what it does? It turns fat tissues into soap. That's why people start look like they're "rotting" after being on it for a while.
Stick to meth. It doesn't make you rot.
What's worse with Krokodil is it can be created without any special equipment and with over-the-counter drugs.
Stick to weed. It doesn't give you meth mouth and doesn't make you paranoid.
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What's even worse is that it's also dirt cheap to buy, because it's so easy to make. So we're probably going to see more of it in the states soon - I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the new crack.
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Well, he is, in fact, a kind, caring and heroic person. And unlike most people or even other heroes (in the nasuverse context) he is ignoring the fact that the vampire tried to eat either his friend or his sister (pick one, it doesn't matter in this case which) which most people would immediately string said vampire up for even thinking as much.
further he's in massive pain so I doubt he could paid attention as he moved through the garage anyway.
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...Honestly, I haven't seen much evidence that he is a kind, caring, heroic person. It's all tell and no show. You can't just count on us to buy into informed traits like that, it raises some major red flags.
On a different subject, to be perfectly honest, I've never heard of Krokodil before. Is it a fairly new drug, or am I simply horribly uninformed when it comes to illegal drugs and such? ^^"
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On a different subject, to be perfectly honest, I've never heard of Krokodil before. Is it a fairly new drug, or am I simply horribly uninformed when it comes to illegal drugs and such? ^^"
Given the subject matter, I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
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...Honestly, I haven't seen much evidence that he is a kind, caring, heroic person. It's all tell and no show. You can't just count on us to buy into informed traits like that, it raises some major red flags.
On a different subject, to be perfectly honest, I've never heard of Krokodil before. Is it a fairly new drug, or am I simply horribly uninformed when it comes to illegal drugs and such? ^^"
It's rather new in the states yeah, though it's been in Russia for around... four years now?
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Given the subject matter, I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
More than likely. ^^" I'm mostly just surprised it wasn't mentioned in my Forensics class a year or so back when when we were going over drugs, though admittedly we didn't really go into any sort of elaborate detail. Pretty much we just went over the various categories of drugs (stimulants, depressants, blah blah blah), some of the usual, familiar suspects, emphasis placed upon why meth is a god awful drug that you should never use because it messes up your mind and body so much, etc.
...though honestly, unless it's on the news, that's probably the only place I'd probably hear of it is the classroom. ^^" Especially since the only drugs I really consume on a regular basis are caffeine (yes, yes, I get it through pop instead of a pill, but it's a stimulant, so it counts :V) and the occasional ibuprofen when I have a headache or something.
It's rather new in the states yeah, though it's been in Russia for around... four years now?
Ahh, OK. That probably explains why I didn't hear about it in Forensics (...you can tell I wrote the first part of my post before seeing this one, can't you? :V).
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Well, he is, in fact, a kind, caring and heroic person. And unlike most people or even other heroes (in the nasuverse context) he is ignoring the fact that the vampire tried to eat either his friend or his sister (pick one, it doesn't matter in this case which) which most people would immediately string said vampire up for even thinking as much.
further he's in massive pain so I doubt he could paid attention as he moved through the garage anyway.
That's becoming tame, not heroic, kind or caring.
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Krokodil's name comes from the Russian word for "Crocodile" because of what it does to people's skin, before it starts falling off. It makes their skin grey and scaly, and it's also nicknamed the "Zombie Drug" due to it's physical effects. What the chemical composition does is turn one's fat into soap and it starts falling off the body.
It's super nightmare fuel.
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Whatever Alice
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(http://i.imgur.com/x8mraRy.jpg)
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Whatever Alice
I have yet to see it, so I think she might have a point.
Krokodil's name comes from the Russian word for "Crocodile" because of what it does to people's skin, before it starts falling off. It makes their skin grey and scaly, and it's also nicknamed the "Zombie Drug" due to it's physical effects. What the chemical composition does is turn one's fat into soap and it starts falling off the body.
It's super nightmare fuel.
... my Psychology of Drug Use class never covered this one.
Jesus H. Christ.
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... my Psychology of Drug Use class never covered this one.
Jesus H. Christ.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Russian Chemical Dependency. Leave your Vodka at the door because that shit is for pussies.
Whatever Alice
She has a point, you've never actually shown him to be a kind, caring, or heroic individual. He acts more like an egotripping asshole who loves the smell of his own shit.
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No arch
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Name one fucking heroic thing he did in the RP. Just one. That wasn't set up by you.
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He gave Kiyoshi that Zaku model he made though.
But yeah, I'm not surprised it was even covered in your class, Aiden. Krokodil only started getting attention over here mid-2013. My father, who at the time worked as a poison control specialist and it was his job to know about every drug pretty much on the planet, only knew about it after I told him about it. Then he did a bunch of research on it and told me how it worked- the turning the body fat into soap thing.
And I'd only heard about it because Roadbuster found pictures of the drug's effects on Reddit and had to share them with me.
My husband knows I have a perverse fascination with things like that.
If you have an empty-strong stomach look at what the drug does. Just remember, I'm not kidding when I say "super nightmare fuel."
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I looked up Krokodil but kept to "tamer" case images of it. Because I'm kind of a wimp when it comes to things like that, I guess.
...and I'm really hoping Lyco doesn't have to meet Satoshi - too many anti-dragon things in that arsenal.
Fleeing is a perfectly reasonable option when confronted with such weapons or abilities. No shame in running away. Wounded pride heals better than a mortal wound, after all.
While a reasonable reaction by a "knight" to a dragon walking around is to think MUST SLAY, I would like to request that notion be...second-guessed.
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Whilst Toshi could probably kill Lycodrake pretty easily, I don't think he has any particular issue with dragons. He himself is part-dragon, and he knows and trusts Medusa, so he's kind-of used to monsters....
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Whilst Toshi could probably kill Lycodrake pretty easily, I don't think he has any particular issue with dragons. He himself is part-dragon, and he knows and trusts Medusa, so he's kind-of used to monsters....
But he's human-shaped - as is Medusa, so...there's no set precedent for his response to a non-humanoid being. As far as I know.
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No, true, but I think he is a reasonable-enough person not to judge Lycodrake solely on the fact that he looks like a dragon.
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No, true, but I think he is a reasonable-enough person not to judge Lycodrake solely on the fact that he looks like a dragon.
Hopefully, at least.
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Satoshi isn't violent, he doesn't draw his sword unless he absolutely has to. If your dragon bro doesn't try to go a murdering then he'll be fine Lyco. Satoshi is a protector by nature.
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Again, so you tell us. He was definitely willing enough to kill Archer for just trying to protect Hakuno. And the fact that it was a bluff doesn't really make it better. Just because they aren't going to be threats that are going to not be backed up doesn't make them any worse.
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Erm, what?
If it was a bluff, then he wasn't willing to kill Archer at that point, by definition. The fact that making the threat in that manner was somewhat of a dick move doesn't make the statement Lantz just made wrong, because he wasn't defending the threat, or even mentioning it.
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That was a bluff, I have said as much repeatedly here and Satoshi explained as much in game. I won't repeat it again. He could no more kill Archer then he could end his own life, it's simply not possible.
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That doesn't mean that it isn't a dick move nonetheless. After all, you don't necessarily know that it's a bluff. Plus throwing around threats hardly makes one brave or heroic or strong. It just means they try to solve everything by throwing their weight around and expecting their reputation to do the rest.
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Satoshi isn't violent, he doesn't draw his sword unless he absolutely has to. If your dragon bro doesn't try to go a murdering then he'll be fine Lyco. Satoshi is a protector by nature.
The Team Krokodil grunts and admins are likely either going to gain broken bones or one less life to live.
If Satoshi sees that as murder, then... :/
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Well he might go batman on his op lyco, assuming he actually finds out about it.
Alice you would have a point, if Satoshi didn't admit that the bluff was a mistake motivated by emotion and tried to solve every problem the same way. To date he tried once.
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Wait, so Toshi will respond to someone killing with justification by attacking the person who did so? Because I'm pretty damn sure my Rider will have killed people before....
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Well he might go batman on his op lyco, assuming he actually finds out about it.
I...don't have much to say to that, other than "going batman" is not helpful for fellow RPers. :/
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So I was correct in the first place. If Archer had chosen to try and kill MoS Shirou to protect Hakuno, then Satoshi would have tried and killed Archer in turn. That invalidates what you (lantz) said about it being a bluff.
Also, Satoshi stops people from hurting or killing even bad guys who are trying to hurt people huh? Some kind, caring hero. Clearly, the bad guys have more value.
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I think the "Batman" thing probably implies not actually killing them, since that is Batman's one big rule....
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dragon beats up bad guys
dragon gets beat up by good guy for it
what alignment is dragon?
Good, and good guy is just very, very stupid
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Well, it's not "beat up" he has a problem with, but rather killing them.
But, even so, it is still pretty dumb. Not everyone has the ability to just neatly capture and imprison every bad guy they fight, or to fight in a non-lethal manner....
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That's too good of sig material, Nachos. Dang it. XP
But, even so, it is still pretty dumb. Not everyone has the ability to just neatly capture and imprison every bad guy they fight, or to fight in a non-lethal manner....
Revealing my intentions here, but: Lyco is probably going to "go gigant" for the distraction. Not only does he have less control of his strength at that size, but he also has to route their attention to him and away from Tywin - possibly my herding them. Even when in his "normal" size, Lyco is on par with a warg/dire wolf - with a hefty chunk of dragon bonuses and some blessings from Athena Nike. So...yeah.
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No mike, I misread what lyco meant, I thought his dragon bro was a crime boss.
no alice
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...I misread what lyco meant, I thought his dragon bro was a crime boss.
I...I...I can't decide whether to laugh or cry. Or both. Or neither.
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No mike, I misread what lyco meant, I thought his dragon bro was a crime boss.
no alice
...You're just covering your own damn ass. There's no way this can be the truth. You're every bit of the liar I thought you were. Why the hell you're still allowed to be in this RP is beyond me. Way beyond me.
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I misread your comment dude, been too busy to check your sheet and read up in the last week on the dude.
Edit: seriously I misread his comment Alice, that's all.
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how the heck do you even get crime boss out of... anything Lyco's said or done?
Lantz have you been drinking?
(This is a joke)
(lighten the atmosphere folks)
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Unless Lyco somehow wound up the unspoken boss of a djinni crime ring - which would be interesting but OOC unless "crime"=vigilantism - then yeah, lantz might've been drinking. Or is drinking. Or maybe has dyslexia.
I don't know.
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well we were just talking about drugs in your character's general direction
to the inattentive, well...
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well we were just talking about drugs in your character's general direction
to the inattentive, well...
Hey man, Lyco thinks the djinni should lay off the hashish. But you don't get between djinni and their hashish or a dragon and their hoard.
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I misunderstood the subject, I thought that you were postulating what Satoshi would do, not what dragon bro would do. I confused the subject of the discussion because I'm fairly tired and cranked up from playing the demo of milleium girl.
so I thought Satoshi was going to be a problem or such by interfering with dragon bro and my brain said the only way that made sense is if dragon bro was crime boss. Clearly I was mistaken.
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Hey man, Lyco thinks the djinni should lay off the hashish. But you don't get between djinni and their hashish or a dragon and their hoard.
Or a... guy and his... thing that he likes
I am not good at this
(Millenium grill is great Lantz definitely get it)
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I'm with you on that names, probably Wednesday
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Hey-o, sorry for the delay (IRL things have been a bit of a pain). Time to get the ball rolling for Wanderer!
(http://i.imgur.com/OIMmePc.png)PREPARE YOURSELF
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Hey-o, sorry for the delay (IRL things have been a bit of a pain). Time to get the ball rolling for Wanderer!
(http://i.imgur.com/OIMmePc.png)PREPARE YOURSELF
At last.
Also, I hope Rattus meets this guy's Master in time. He's got FN FNCs and a shitload of STANAG magazine in his crates. Kaching!
Edit: And don't forget ammo.
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Hmm, having Kariya show up would be very interesting given who I've got. I wonder what he'd think if he saw Kiyoshi and Rider....
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>Implying Karyia is showing up
Dibs on OMH/Berserkalot Master Servant tag team.
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Nah, I just said it would be interesying if he did show up.
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Nah, I just said it would be interesying if he did show up.
Not really. He probably wouldn't give a shit about either Rider or Kyoshi if he did see them.
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I think he would care about Kiyoshi, due to him being Sakura's son (yes, I know his initial focus was Aoi, but he still does genuinely care for Sakura), and with Rider it would more be interesting interaction, because both of them have a highly protective attitude to Sakura.
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Nooot really, because he wouldn't be able to tell. And even then, he'd probably assume he was from an arranged marriage.
I've got about five different character ideas floating around right now. Doing Courier Six sounds like an attractive prospect all things considered.
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Well, no, he wouldn't be able to tell at first, but if they interacted he'd probably pick it up pretty quick, because Kiyoshi would know of Kariya (his eldest brother is named 'Kariya', and I'm sure they'd know why) and have a rather-idealised view of him.
As for the "arranged marriage" thing, I think that notion would be pretty quickly dealt with, and even if not I would expect Kariya to still want Sakura's kids to be safe, especially given that the kid clearly adores his mother.
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Arondight means Fairy-type weapon super-effective against Dragons.
Even away from Pokemon, Lyco can't escape Fairies.
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wait, just thought of something: please don't take my "complaints" seriously, they aren't intended as such
except legitimate concern that Lyco (the OC) can and/or will be OHKO'd by Satoshi or Berserkalot.
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That's one post down, one to go. Posting in parts again.
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Lyco your dragon bro has nothing to fear from Satoshi, other than Satoshi stopping the murdering bit they'll likely get along great.
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So Satoshi supports Krokodil dealers?
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I imagine Satoshi would rather they serve jail time for it.
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You got it YOLF, Satoshi would rather toss em in the Klink rather than have them slaughtered. Bad guys go to jail.
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You got it YOLF, Satoshi would rather toss em in the Klink rather than have them slaughtered. Bad guys go to jail.
My "dragon bro" as you keep calling him doesn't have magic handcuffs. So he's going to have to stick with what he's got available, i.e. claws, fangs, and tail.
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Well, it's not like Satoshi is going to find out.
Besides, Lyco is currently being sponsored by divine justice (i.e. Tywin), so he's got an excuse!
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Not always. And they knew the risks going in. Besides, setting the building on fire won't kill all of them. Probably. Depends on the amount of chemicals in the air.
For that matter, in Nexus? Won't the Don just bail them out? So the system is fucked anyway.
Well, it's not like Satoshi is going to find out.
Besides, Lyco is currently being sponsored by divine justice (i.e. Tywin), so he's got an excuse!
Yep. JUSTICE MOTHERFUCKERS. Plus, he doesn't have handcuffs or zipties for all of them.
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Not always. And they knew the risks going in. Besides, setting the building on fire won't kill all of them. Probably. Depends on the amount of chemicals in the air.
For that matter, in Nexus? Won't the Don just bail them out? So the system is fucked anyway.
I feel like an "all around Nexus City" NPC guide would be helpful. While I've skimmed through the 100 pages of the RP thread and carefully read the most recent 10, I can't say I'll know many - if any - NPCs mentioned. Except The Deacon.
Unless "the Don" is uncharacterized NPC. XP
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Yeah, Toshi's attitude is rather questionable here, honestly. Sure it's better to avoid killing people if you can, but not everyone possesses the ability to solve every problem non-lethally or to hold infinite captives, and it is blindingly obvious that the legal system in the Nexus is not remotely fit for purpose, so handing them over to that is just plain dumb.
Using Tywin's claims to "divine justice" as an excuse is just bullshit, though. Just because he claims some arbitrary "divinity" that doesn't mean he has any more right to judge the actions of others than anyone else does. Murdering people in cold blood is not any more justified just because some god or some government gave you permission.
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There was the terrified bystander Bones interrogated who gave us some info on the workings of the city.
*c*< Though for that matter, I'm surprised Scrooge's giant moneybin isn't included in the scenery of Nexus City.
Using Tywin's claims to "divine justice" as an excuse is just bullshit, though. Just because he claims some arbitrary "divinity" that doesn't mean he has any more right to judge the actions of others than anyone else does. Murdering people in cold blood is not any more justified just because some god or some government gave you permission.
That comment wasn't meant to be entirely serious.
True that cold blooded murder is never alright just because someone gave you permission, but life is a chaotic cesspool of viewpoints and beliefs mashing, colliding and trampling against each other, with everyone just trying to do things in a way that they believe is right, or if they aren't able to do right because of some unfairness out there, at least do the best they can. From Tywin's viewpoint, I'm guessing that dispensing what he sees as fair justice isn't just an enforcing of his beliefs, it's likely part of his very identity, and something he can so strongly trust in because he can say it is his birthright by divine power.
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maybe elf could make "teach us, Forest-sensei" segments to let us know about nexus and its operational record while a plethora of characters act like ADD children and stare out of the window instead of listening
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When your patron/dad is the fucking GOD OF JUSTICE, and your actions and code are defined by this fact, yeah, he's got a pretty good claim to have divine justice.
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Since when does being a god make you just? The Greek gods sure as hell weren't....
Sure, he can claim divine justice, but that doesn't mean he is somehow any better or more just than anyone else.
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God of won't wash with basically any character in the RP as far as I can tell.
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Sure, he can claim divine justice, but that doesn't mean he is somehow any better or more just than anyone else.
But it does mean that he'll try his best, which is all we can really ask.
God of won't wash with basically any character in the RP as far as I can tell.
wait wut
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basically he's saying that if a dude runs up and says "I am blessed by the god of... say, dishwashing therefore the way I do it is best," the characters of the RP won't necessarily agree with the logic.
Well, some won't, though he can hardly speak for everyone.
Though there's a parallel with Lantz and Satoshi that can be drawn here...
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basically he's saying that if a dude runs up and says "I am blessed by the god of... say, dishwashing therefore the way I do it is best," the characters of the RP won't necessarily agree with the logic.
you just translated Lantzese into English
sorcery
Well, some won't, though he can hardly speak for everyone.
Though there's a parallel with Lantz and Satoshi that can be drawn here...
be nice Nachos =P
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Well no, he can't speak for everyone.
And yes, people disagree with Lantz saying Satoshi has certain traits, much like people would disagree to a man saying their god is justice incarnate, because they don't see it that way. It's really that simple.
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Since when does being a god make you just? The Greek gods sure as hell weren't....
Sure, he can claim divine justice, but that doesn't mean he is somehow any better or more just than anyone else.
No no no - it's through Tyr's domain and actions. He is the Lawgiver - he gave mankind their laws, and sense of justice. He gives even the foulest justice, like Fenrir. When the Aesir bound Fenrir, it was in the guise of a contest of strength. Fenrir, sensing a trap, asked for one of the gods to place their right hand in his mouth - if it was indeed a trick, he'd take the hand. All gods but Tyr shirked from this, but even Fenrir deserved justice. So Tyr willingly let Fenrir take his hand.
And Tywin knows he's not better than anyone else. Justice isn't always nice, or kind, or merciful. He might be doing justice, but it doesn't mean he's being an upstanding individual - sometimes justice demands sacrifices.
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maybe elf could make "teach us, Forest-sensei" segments to let us know about nexus and its operational record while a plethora of characters act like ADD children and stare out of the window instead of listening
. . . I really like this idea. Maybe I can write something up this weekend.
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I volunteer Inferno Cop as one of the inattentive students
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That sounds like it'll be fun.
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Hey B, is Construct Dude on the rooftop of the compound or one of the nearby buildings?
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And that's post number two. ...Even though this one was much better than my last few (other than maybe poor humor), is it just me, or have my RP posts really been decaying in quality as of late? I'm not saying that in the usual self depreciating way, I mean I feel like the last three or four posts I've made have been worse than normal.
...Or am I just a worrier that worries too much about things? ^^"
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I think you're worrying too much. I have a friend who used to be exactly like that. xD
Trust me, let go a little.
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More than likely that's exactly what I'm doing. XD ...I think I have a bit of a bad habit of doing it, actually. ^^" It might actually serve me rather well if I learn to unwind a bit in that regard. ...The trick is teaching myself how. :P
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Tip: if you're thinking too hard about it, you're doing it wrong.
:3
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Since when does being a god make you just? The Greek gods sure as hell weren't....
Sure, he can claim divine justice, but that doesn't mean he is somehow any better or more just than anyone else.
No no no - it's through Tyr's domain and actions. He is the Lawgiver - he gave mankind their laws, and sense of justice. He gives even the foulest justice, like Fenrir. When the Aesir bound Fenrir, it was in the guise of a contest of strength. Fenrir, sensing a trap, asked for one of the gods to place their right hand in his mouth - if it was indeed a trick, he'd take the hand. All gods but Tyr shirked from this, but even Fenrir deserved justice. So Tyr willingly let Fenrir take his hand.
And Tywin knows he's not better than anyone else. Justice isn't always nice, or kind, or merciful. He might be doing justice, but it doesn't mean he's being an upstanding individual - sometimes justice demands sacrifices.
Ah, good thing I don't have to worry about notions of justice in this RP. The immortal trio is pretty much like the mafia: Everyone knows some people have to die and they're not afraid of facing that fact. Someone, perhaps with the exception of Yukina, then has to do the dirty work.
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I think you're worrying too much. I have a friend who used to be exactly like that. xD
I've improved pretty well. Possibly.
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I've improved pretty well. Possibly.
Haha! Well, I think you have, even if I wasn't referring to you. Not mostly anyhow. IRL friend of mine.
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Haha! Well, I think you have, even if I wasn't referring to you. Not mostly anyhow. IRL friend of mine.
Thought that might be the case, but hey. XP
Well, I'm glad to hear that someone else has improved in that area, too!
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Hey B, is Construct Dude on the rooftop of the compound or one of the nearby buildings?
One of the nearby buildings. He's too wary to approach the compound itself.
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Aaaaaaand I've made 9 character sheets. My god. xD
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Aaaaaaand I've made 9 character sheets. My god. xD
Is Lyco going to be a part of some supernatural Justice Friends? 'cause it seems like it to me with how Tan is. XD
if he meets up with JUSTICE and Dragon
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*Facepalm*
Fucking christ Lantz, STOP MAKING SATOSHI THE FUCKING FOCUS OF ALL YOUR FUCKING CHARACTERS. IT IS ANNOYING AS FUCK AND NONSENSICAL HERE WHY IS ALTER HERE WHAT IS GOING ON FUCK ME WHAT.
WHO THE FUCK ARE THE GUARDIANS? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!?! STOP PULLING THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT PLEASE YOU FUCKING RETARD!
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Oi, Magos, calm down. <,<
You don't need to shit on lantz like that to demonstrate your dislike of how he handles his characters.
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Oi, Magos, calm down. <,<
You don't need to shit on lantz like that to demonstrate your dislike of how he handles his characters.
Is there any other way because this is the only way I can see criticizing him. Because he's acting like some fucking little kid here and I'm sick sick sick sick sick of it.
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Look, right now he's not interacting directly with your characters nor interfering with them. I know that lantz's writing may still bother you a lot, but you have to try and show restraint, because blowing up like you did is most assuredly crossing the line when he wasn't even metagaming or walking over other people.
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*Facepalm*
Fucking christ Lantz, STOP MAKING SATOSHI THE FUCKING FOCUS OF ALL YOUR FUCKING CHARACTERS. IT IS ANNOYING AS FUCK AND NONSENSICAL HERE WHY IS ALTER HERE WHAT IS GOING ON FUCK ME WHAT.
WHO THE FUCK ARE THE GUARDIANS? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!?! STOP PULLING THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT PLEASE YOU FUCKING RETARD!
OK, Magos, cut this sort of crap out. You might not like how he RPs, but you do not have the right to just blindly insult him over it.
As for the Guardians stuff, that is presumably something from Satoshi's backstory that is not even remotely important to the RP in general, so there is no reason why he should have mentioned it before. And, for that matter, you do not have a right to understand perfectly everything Toshi is doing or saying, as long as it's not affecting your ability to RP (which it isn't).
If you actually want an answer to the question, then asking in an even remotely polite manner is far more likely to achieve that than slinging abuse around is. Further, acting in this manner is drawing attention away from whatever complaints you might have and on to your actions instead (and, yes, I am well aware I have been guilty of that myself many times).
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Oh, I know, but frankly this shit has been happening for the entire fucking RP. This isn't a blind insult this is a fucking sighted insult directly aimed at him because he is flat out ignoring Elf's advice, warnings, and rulings.
He's cheerleading Satoshi like crazy, his grammar has gotten worse and worse as this RP has advanced, he doesn't even have the fucking courtesy to put a scene break into a scene like this, and he's sending all his characters to one location where they can all suck on his Mary Sue Self Insert ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL Magical Fixing Everything Superman's dick. It's fucking insulting and infuriating to me in the extreme.
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Yes, and your fucking shitty insults have been happening for the entire fucking RP, and frankly I'm fucking sick of hearing them. As are quite a few other people, as far as I can tell.
As for his characters, how they act is none of your damn business. He's sending them there for a reason, not everything they do is centred around Toshi.
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As for his characters, how they act is none of your damn business. He's sending them there for a reason, not everything they do is centred around Toshi.
Actually it pretty much IS.
Angra, "Sakura", "Rin", "Taiga", Connor, and someone else who's name I've forgot are all there because of Satoshi. There is no other reason.
No, really, I can fucking prove this. All of this shit in the RP revolves around him, and Lantz tries to keep pushing him into the spotlight as often as possible, and make him the BESTEST DUDE EVAR and I'm so fucking sick and tired of it. It's happening again and again and again no matter how often we call him out on it or reject it.
I am not insulting lantz without reason here.
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What do you mean they're "there because of Toshi"?
I mean, my characters are all focussed around Sakura to a large extent. That doesn't mean they're not characters in their own right.
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Actually none of them are here because of Satoshi, they all have their own reasons for being around
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OK
Do you want me to bring up the god damn web of sue here? Because I can link the reason for the majority of your characters being here, as because of Satoshi.
I don't want to do this, because it will involve me having to read your fucking horribly formatted eyesores of drek you call a 'post', but there we go.
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Such would only be because you are ignorant arch, each and every one of the characters I have, have all been given unique reasons for being around.
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Such would only be because you are ignorant arch, each and every one of the characters I have, have all been given unique reasons for being around.
...You know, if you'd stop being such a passive aggressive little fucking idiot, people would hate you a lot less when you're so fucking wrong about something like this.
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So, you assume stuff about his characters and then insult him when he says you're wrong?
If you have a fucking point to make, try actually giving fucking evidence rather than spewing abuse like the moron you are.
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So, you assume stuff about his characters and then insult him when he says you're wrong?
If you have a fucking point to make, try actually giving fucking evidence rather than spewing abuse like the moron you are.
OK. I can find a pretty decent amount of evidence, without having to wade through everything. Let's get to work here.
>Satoshi in Nexus
>This fact sends Sakura into it, along with Tkajf;aslkdf or whatever her name is
>This indirectly drags Rin into it as well... who has a convienient gift for Suetoshit
>AM seems intent to fuck the guy and seems to have arrived inside the nexus for that purpose
>Connor followed Sakura I think? Either way he's in with her, and that's due to Satoshi
I can probably also connect Alter here, but that's five(!!!!!!) characters in this RP that are in it directly because of satoshi. That's not a coincidence.
EDIT:
So basically Mike, no matter what Lantz says, he's being an idiotic liar. Death of the Author. A work can have meanings or themes beyond those the author intended. Interpretation and all that other wonderful literature bullshit.
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Tsukasa is the only one who is there because of Satoshi, I am no liar arch. Don't call me that again
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So, you assume stuff about his characters and then insult him when he says you're wrong?
If you have a fucking point to make, try actually giving fucking evidence rather than spewing abuse like the moron you are.
OK. I can find a pretty decent amount of evidence, without having to wade through everything. Let's get to work here.
>Satoshi in Nexus
>This fact sends Sakura into it, along with Tkajf;aslkdf or whatever her name is
>This indirectly drags Rin into it as well... who has a convienient gift for Suetoshit
>AM seems intent to fuck the guy and seems to have arrived inside the nexus for that purpose
>Connor followed Sakura I think? Either way he's in with her, and that's due to Satoshi
I can probably also connect Alter here, but that's five(!!!!!!) characters in this RP that are in it directly because of satoshi. That's not a coincidence.
Right, and all five of my characters are or will be similarly-connected. Rider is there to protect Kiyoshi (although they were both dragged in together) and the other three are coming to the Nexus to find him. So, even if it is true that all of the characters are there because of Toshi, so what? It is sometimes helpful to RP a connected group.
As for AM, she just showed up on her own, nothing to do with Toshi. Ditto Saber.
So basically Mike, no matter what Lantz says, he's being an idiotic liar. Death of the Author. A work can have meanings or themes beyond those the author intended. Interpretation and all that other wonderful literature bullshit.
I don't think Death of the Author really applies when the story is still in the process of being written....
And, he is certainly not a liar. That implies he knows what he is saying is untrue, and even if it is it is pretty clear he does not believe it to be.
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Tsukasa is the only one who is there because of Satoshi, I am no liar arch. Don't call me that again
Nope, Sakura is there because of him as well, you can look through the RP thread. It'll prove me right on this one.
You can't hide from the truth. You can't run from it, like you do so often in your other threads when you delete them. It will find you, and it will force itself upon you until you submit to it.
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Again, so what if she is? It provides a convinient reason for multiple characters from the same continuity to be there, as opposed to having to bullshit up seperate spacial anomalies for the whole damn lot....
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No, Sakura is there to investigate, one of her objectives is to find Satoshi but that's not why she's here
I do not delete threads to hide. But then you never listen so it's pointless to correct you
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No, Sakura is there to investigate, one of her objectives is to find Satoshi but that's not why she's here
I do not delete threads to hide. But then you never listen so it's pointless to correct you
So basically yes, she is there because of Satoshi. You contradict yourself in your own words.
And you never listen either, when your own flaws are pointed out.
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"One of her objectives" is not the same as "the reason she is here"....
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No, I'm not contradicting anything. There's a difference between personal and professional goals.
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While there is a difference, an objective is still a reason.
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A reason, perhaps, but not the reason.
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Magos, calm down.
And yes, all of lantz's characters seem to have their existences revolve around Toshi. They do nothing but cheerlead and support him once he is nearby. Sometimes when he isn't there. He stopped playing them for the most part once Toshi came over to the complex because that's how much they revolve around Toshi. It's not good writing at all and proves that Toshi is somewhat of a black hole trying to garner all the attention.
However, we've already established this. Except for Mike (and even he knows it to an extent, he just doesn't seem to understand just how bad it is), most everyone already knows this. I know better than anyone how freaking obnoxious that shit is, but let's not start another fight over it. Probably the best solution from this point forward is to just call for Elf if we have issues with lantz, then explain how we feel.
Now that I've said that, let's calm down until Elf gets here.
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No they don't, seriously I explained this twice, the only character who has "cheerlead" has been Taiga, the eight year old. Seriously pay attention.
further the other characters are inactive because frankly they have nothing to do for the moment.
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Magos, please stop spewing abuse. I know you're pissed, but give me a second.
Lantz, please correct me if I'm wrong about this:
The "Guardians" are the knights that Satoshi was building and giving life to when he was like, "I'm gonna build a fucking castle, bitch." Anyway, the knights were assigned to protect the castle and its inhabitants.
Skeleton Dudes attacked the Castle.
Saber Alter was like, "Fuck this noise, I've got Excalibur, bitches!" Then she Dark Excaliblasts the skeleton dudes pretty much fucking the castle in the same swing. Because Saber Alter's pretty fucking hardcore.
So, there's Saber Alter, Angry Ladyjew, and the knights sort of just standing around in the ruins of the castle. So the logical conclusion would be to find the master of the castle to let him know that hey it was attacked and that it was blown up during said attack. Since Angry Ladyjew knows where Satoshi is after she was evicted from the compound, she's going to lead Saber there with the hopes of starting another fight.
However, Saber Alter's not going to believe that some son of her's is enough of a chump to get captured by the sad sacks that inhabit this city, but they're still going to look for the master of the castle.
That Saber Alter blew up because fucking Skeleton Dudes.
So, is that the gist of it?
And in other news: Tân Gwyllt has been approved bitches!
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No, the guardians are just a couple of shadows in their home universe. It's a point of reference of the background of the characters. The castle was built because Angra wanted it and was controlling Satoshi at that time.
the knights are returning because they need a new objective since the castle is busted. The rest you summed up correctly elf
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Gotta admit, that was a pretty ballsy move. Blowing up a whole castle to get rid of a few low level familiars is definitely something I'd see Alter doing, though.
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In Saber Alter's mind there's no such kill as over kill.
Also fucking ass HUGE post from me.
Team Ireland is about to form.
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As far as I knew, unlike the compound, I thought there was like fifty plus guys attacking the castle.
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Eh, it was more like two dozen or so, but they were pretty spread out.
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Big post, done.
Fish out of temporal water elder kindred comedy. There's nothing quite like it. 8P
Also, Gwyllt is going to burn some drug manufacturers/dealers with demonic flames. And their factory.
A very specific factory.
*wink wink nudge nudge to Magos and Lyco*
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Hey YOLF, would Bonesington mind some non-bloodthirsty company? He seems rather alone in that church, though I'll admit that's mostly my fault in the first place.
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Bones always welcomes companions to share in an adventure~!
And really, I'm having a bit of a giggle to myself about the fact that while Luka and Valda are doin' it, Bones is making ice cream out of a poor insane worgen.
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Also, Gwyllt is going to burn some drug manufacturers/dealers with demonic flames. And their factory.
A very specific factory.
*wink wink nudge nudge to Magos and Lyco*
YOLF, the pinnacle of subtlety. :3c
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One's a wingless dragon, the other a demon who can call the wild hunt, and the last is the sicon of a Norse god. Together they fight crime. Or something.
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Hmm what to do with Downy and friends, now that their plan has been spoiled he's gonna be angry.
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Downy seems to be a bit of the immature in defeat type.
Though I imagine they'll want to secure a base. Also, fun times with Mordred, eh? Can't say she comes off as the kind of character who'll like Shezar or Mudou much.
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Oh yeah she'll prolly detest those two, she has a similar personality to Lobelia so they might get along fine and Imnity could care less about anyone who is not her Master or her other Master so perhaps a rivalry of some sort there. (Her connection to Downy is similar to a Master/Servant connection even going so far to include the telepathic taking and providing them with prana though it's actually reverse so that Imnity is providing Downy with magical energy.)
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Mordred would appreciate Lobelia the most, yes. Inmity could go either way. The other two would be met with contempt and, most probably, outright hostility. Downy's an exception since he's her Master and thus, can get away with stuff others would get a sword in the face instead. She might not like what he'll decide to do but won't argue over matters such as morals or methods, as long as it brings results.
As for what to do, gathering his allies/underlings and discussing the next plan seems ideal. The failure is a good opportunity to reevaluate his priorities. Given how the circles went all fireworks, it's logical for him to assume potential enemies being aware of his existence, therefore, showing some paranoia. A safe haven, even temporary, is the logical step.
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Let's see I believe at the moment I shall create posts for Downy, Imnity, Mudou, and Shezar (Sorry Arch our fight was fun but it's time to end it.). As for Lobelia, Kaiza wants to post some stuff first then I'll take off. I'll prolly get to work on this stuff tonight at the latest.
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You know, I should really keep a note somewhere of what outfit Rider is wearing at any given time. I keep forgetting....
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One's a wingless dragon, the other a demon who can call the wild hunt, and the last is the scion of a Norse god. Together they fight crime. Or something.
ftfy :)
And "Or something." is probably more accurate. XD
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Mooncake has disappeaaaaaaared D:
And here I wanted to have Uchiten greet the big players in style while they were still reeling from the night's events. Oh well.
Ominous greetings shall be had later.
Cause when you got a villain, you gotta set him up, you know. Make show of what kind of person he is.
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Elf, when you 'port to the construct thingy, it'll be waiting on a rather large roof a block or two from the action. It's not really fast enough to get away, and the guy never really expected to be allowed to 'leave' unmolested.
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Elf, when you 'port to the construct thingy, it'll be waiting on a rather large roof a block or two from the action. It's not really fast enough to get away, and the guy never really expected to be allowed to 'leave' unmolested.
So it's a Trap then?
(Well, that's why Gabe is forming TEAM IRELAND.)
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Not so much a trap as it is him plodding along and waiting for someone to try and kill him. Of course he'll always have a few small tricks up his sleeves, but it's not like he specially prepared for this exact situation. He's expecting Gabriel to do something; he just doesn't know what.
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Mooncake has disappeaaaaaaared D:
Noooooooo! ;_;
Okay, what should I do next? I plan to send Yukina somewhere, but where?
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UWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!
(I'm sorry YOLF, Aiden, and Elf ;_;)
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(http://i.imgur.com/U0RCHbs.jpg)
Yaaaaaaaay! :>
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*snip*
Yaaaaaaaay! :>
Glorious reaction image. :3c
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Aaaaand done with that Bones scene. Will write an Uchiten post later tonight.
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Aaaaand done with that Bones scene. Will write an Uchiten post later tonight.
inb4 Bones and Undine romance.
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Bones and Undine OTP.
So . . . um, a bit of self plugging here, but . . . . If you like Forest, Gabriel, and Wynn, maybe you should check out My Jukepop serial (http://www.jukepop.com/home/read/533) it's totally free to read and there are apps so you can even read it on your smart phone or tablet. Also, please vote. The more votes I gain, the more I can get paid.
Um . . . so please support your loving GM!
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She has an icy personality, but he's no stranger to cold shoulders!
The new hit romantic comedy, coming to theatres and forums near you!
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So, what's the game plan among the three of us, A-M Winter and YOLF? I don't want to jump the gun on posting "RAR I'mma dragon fear me puny, wicked Krokodil-selling humans" in bus-/train-size and assume what actions or dialogue you two are planning or want to have.
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...That basically was the plan.
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...That basically was the plan.
Well that simplifies matters. I'll go ahead and post ASAP, then. XP
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Hey, Bloble.
(http://i.imgur.com/GZpJA7u.gif)
Although. I wasn't sure how strong a spell the Aqua Drill was, so I worked off the assumption it was fairly strong but that it couldn't pierce through a spell used by the Lich King in game to create an indestructible deathly cold ice wall that you have to wait out. xD
But if the way I interpret it or write anything in this regard comes off as innacurate or it seems to you like the result should be different, don't hold yourself back in telling me so, I will alter it.
@Lyco/Magos: I believe the plan was you two arriving there to meet Gwyllt burning the wicked for justice. So do your thing and I'll post as soon as your characters burst in. 8D
Assume there's already fire inside though.
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@Lyco/Magos: I believe the plan was you two arriving there to meet Gwyllt burning the wicked for justice. So do your thing and I'll post as soon as your characters burst in. 8D
Assume there's already fire inside though.
Will do! :)
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Greeeeeeeeeeeeen fire.
Cause it's spoooooooooooky.
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It's cool, YOLF. The drill wasn't actually that tough. It was more of a flashy thing to bring out your A-Game. Water in the MGQ universe is all about serenity and flow. Direct attacks like that aren't really it's forte. Where it shines is in finding weak points, redirecting attacks rather than outright blocking them, and in general being a 'soft' weapon that can't be easily opposed by sheer force.
Anyway, expect my post in a few.
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Greeeeeeeeeeeeen fire.
Cause it's spoooooooooooky.
"So...you gonna burn these humans to ashes or can I nibble on the tasty ones?"
=P
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I'm going to have fun playing Gwyllt, even if all the required rhyming is going to be a bit of a pain in the ass.
WORTH IT, THOUGH.
Hrm... need to work on that Uchiten post still.
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"So do you want fried human here or to go?"
XP
Writing as Lycodrake makes me almost feel like a picky Hannibal when it comes to evil beings/humans, because one of the "first" thoughts is: "Is the meat any good?"
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Hey Mooncake, Neo is trying to talk to you, man!
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Wake up, Neo
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Wake up, Neo
'The hell, man. Neo's trying to interact with Wanderer. Go check my last post.
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It's a Matrix joke >.>
Also, didn't see him, sorry Ivan.
I'm gonna put it down as Wanderer being a mite agitated right now; he'd probably blaze right past him. I'll throw in something, give me a sec
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One very long mess of a post done. ^^" Hopefully it still makes sense to everybody.
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You said Vietnam around Old Man Henderson.
Neo, you poor soul.
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You said Vietnam around Old Man Henderson.
Neo, you poor soul.
No problem, Neo served in Vietnam too.
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And KAIZA has to wait no longer, Rei is finally introduced and repairing Reina. ...I was planning a far more elaborate intro, but both a lack of energy as of late and the desire to not keep KAIZA waiting much longer prompted me to go with a shorter intro. ...Especially that lack of energy part. ^^" I can always cover more details of Rei's home universe through dialogue and flashbacks later. ...Though I still feel a bit bad for gimping it. ^^"
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And Post!
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Hmm, I think you've made a mistake with italics in there somewhere. I don't think the last bit is meant to be entirely italics.
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Hmm, I think you've made a mistake with italics in there somewhere. I don't think the last bit is meant to be entirely italics.
Yeah, I know, and it's not letting me fix it. The coding's right, but it's not registering it for some reason.
Also, when he gets a chance, Gabe will riddle Rider with questions.
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OK, fixed it.
You had one of the italics tags as [i] instead of [/i] and it was breaking the whole thing.
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And Alter arrives. Hopefully the advice I got makes that more readable
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Angra is also standing outside the door, waiting. After the mess she caused the last time.
Haha, that will go well, without a doubt.
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Yeah, I think she'd have been better-advised to stay back. Still, Rider will protect her (as long as she doesn't do anything stupid, at least), she promised and she's getting hot sex out of the deal....
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Eh, I'm just pointing it out, she'll be in a bit of a precarious position if anyone who was there to see it finds her there.
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And Alter arrives. Hopefully the advice I got makes that more readable
Nooot really. Slightly more readable. But still a really hard to decypher post, and I'm pretty sure that the group outside should have noticed Angra and Alter first...
Yeah, I think she'd have been better-advised to stay back. Still, Rider will protect her (as long as she doesn't do anything stupid, at least), she promised and she's getting hot sex out of the deal....
She should feel lucky that Law isn't there at the moment. She'd be pretty fucked. Very fucked. Like, the sort of fucked that if it was sexual she'd probably still be crying at.
The Kerberoi don't care what sort of souls that get dragged to their realms.
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She should feel lucky that Law isn't there at the moment.
Yeah, probably, although I would imagine Toshi and Rider would oppose him in trying.
She'd be pretty fucked. Very fucked. Like, the sort of fucked that if it was sexual she'd probably still be crying at.
But that's Rider's job :P
The Kerberoi don't care what sort of souls that get dragged to their realms.
Sure, although Angra hasn't really done much to deserve it just yet.
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The Kerberoi don't care what sort of souls that get dragged to their realms.
Come to think of it, you think the Nexus is connected to the Underworld? Because if that's the case it should logically be connected to other realms similar to it. Like, say... the Shadow, the Hedge, the Supernal Planes, and all manner of alternate worlds you could think of that are different from and border earth in other stories.
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The moment when you realize, the Nexus is basically an urban Gensokyo.
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The Kerberoi don't care what sort of souls that get dragged to their realms.
Come to think of it, you think the Nexus is connected to the Underworld? Because if that's the case it should logically be connected to other realms similar to it. Like, say... the Shadow, the Hedge, the Supernal Planes, and all manner of alternate worlds you could think of that are different from and border earth in other stories.
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The moment when you realize, the Nexus is basically an urban Gensokyo.
Basically.
Though the Supernal Realms aren't actually places; they're a source code.
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The moment when you realize, the Nexus is basically an urban Gensokyo.
Despite also being a dragon, Lyco refuses to play gatekeeper for a vampire - or be nicknamed "China". :V
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Sure, although Angra hasn't really done much to deserve it just yet.
Her very existence violates so many of the old laws. By the laws of the Underworld, she's more than deserving of being dragged into the underworld.
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Sure, although Angra hasn't really done much to deserve it just yet.
Her very existence violates so many of the old laws. By the laws of the Underworld, she's more than deserving of being dragged into the underworld.
Yeah, I don't see Rider caring much about some stupid "laws of the Underworld"....
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Yeah, I don't see Rider caring much about some stupid "laws of the Underworld"....
Hades is actually a pretty chill guy. Has a helmet of invisibility, wealth, and a three-headed dog. Disney should've made Hera the villain. -rage- :V
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Well, remember that Rider knows the gods, quite possibly on a personal level (she was cursed for having sex with/being raped by (depending on the version of the legend) Poseidon). I would expect she would probably prefer Hades over most of the rest, but she's still not overly bothered about his laws, especially since I doubt he's setting them. The Greek gods see her as a monster to be eliminated.
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Just trying to lighten the mood, Mike - not meaning to start an argument. No worries. ^^
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Ah, OK, sorry.
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Ah, OK, sorry.
No problem; the Greek pantheon is well known for consisting mostly of assholes anyway. =P
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Yeah, pretty much.
Rider is not fond of the gods at all....
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Hades doesn't actually rule the underworld in nWoD. Instead, it's the Kerberoi, the gods of death, each with their own petty fiefs and laws and all the rest. And they take souls from above at random. It's all very baroque and I'd need to go through the Book of the Dead to get this all straightened out.
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Yeah, again, I don't think Rider could give a flying fuck who makes the rules, she ain't going to follow them regardless.
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You might not acknowledge the law, but the law still will acknowledge you.
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Well, it can try, yes....
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You can run on for a long time... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guocvS7XQW0)
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Let's not start arguing about absolutely nothing at all.
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Let's not start arguing about absolutely nothing at all.
This, please.
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Well, Undine was asking for the d
efense and now she wants Bones to come at her.
Lewd. =P
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...OK, just processed lantz's post.
We don't need any more god damn shit in the complex right now. Why the freaking hell did you have to have Alter and her stupid army come in to the damn Complex other than attention seeking like you always do?! And then have Toshi order Forest around when they could just fucking talk outside?!
You have no respect for anyone or anything for yourself. And quite frankly I'm getting fucking sick of it.
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Satoshi didn't give any orders.
The knights came because they need a new order now that the castle is busted. They are magic automatons, that's how they work. Alter followed because she couldn't very well stay in a broken castle.
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Sorry I never really clarified, I was just waiting on Kaiza to do some stuff and then I was gonna post more, also just so you know Daiki, anything Downy says to Imnity via their link Mordred can hear as well since they have a link, the same goes for the other way around, the only things you can't hear is Imnity talking to Downy unless she wants you to hear.
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For that matter, he's trying to order forest around. Again. Poor Forest. She's not having the best day.
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How is he? He's politely asking her....
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Sorry I never really clarified, I was just waiting on Kaiza to do some stuff and then I was gonna post more, also just so you know Daiki, anything Downy says to Imnity via their link Mordred can hear as well since they have a link, the same goes for the other way around, the only things you can't hear is Imnity talking to Downy unless she wants you to hear.
Yeah, sorry about that. Alice kinda got a head start there before me. ^^;
I'll try to make a reaction post at least, then work out with Rae on what to do next.
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How is he? He's politely asking her....
"Would you kindly drink this?", "Please drink this." and "Drink." are still all imperative sentences.
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Sorry I never really clarified, I was just waiting on Kaiza to do some stuff and then I was gonna post more, also just so you know Daiki, anything Downy says to Imnity via their link Mordred can hear as well since they have a link, the same goes for the other way around, the only things you can't hear is Imnity talking to Downy unless she wants you to hear.
'Kay. Did a quick edit.
She's not having the best day.
And that's not even half of it, yet.
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Being firm and giving an order are two different things. As Angra asked for protection Satoshi has to give it, given the situation at hand he very obviously doesn't want to leave his family. As such, because Forest is, as Lancer puts it, the "Landlady" Satoshi has to discuss the issue with her.
it's not an order, it's a point of basic decency. He can't just say, yes you can stay here, he has to ask first.
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It's more that it feels like he's ordering Forest around with this. This isn't the first time your characters have treated her Complex like they own the place instead of her, after all.
As it is, I'm pretty much going to have to ignore their presence in my next post for now until Forest responds to them, otherwise it's going to be too difficult to write my next post halfway properly. ...Apologies for the mild continuity issues this causes with Magos's post. ^^"
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You're wrong about that Alice. They've always been aware it's not their place, until recently Forest wasn't available to ask about anything, and Lancer, her proxy never said stop.
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Actually he did you moron. Several times. To 'Rin/SatoshidicksuckermkII'
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9724.html#msg9724 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9724.html#msg9724)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10762.html#msg10762 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10762.html#msg10762)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9856.html#msg9856 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg9856.html#msg9856)
Just a few examples, since it's best to provide evidence. Only one is a direct order, but he did directly object. He's objected more privately in other places, but I didn't include those incidents because, well, Toshi and his posse wouldn'tve seen that. Basically, Lancer has objected before, but he's been blown off. I'm sure there's other examples, but they just slipped my notice. ...Mostly because that's a ton of pages to sift through.
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Post related: because realizing you just made a nonsense rhyme is funny.
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How do I join and can I bring a character from postmodern fantasy novel series? (I know it's supposed urban fantasy, but mentally the characters of the setting are modern in spite of the medieval setting. They have things like genetic engineering and know what DNA is, for example, even if magic allows them to reach such level of understanding.)
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I think even outright historical characters are allowed. We have a bunch of characters who would fit such a designation to at least some extent (even if you ignore the servants and people like Forest who are just plain old). The only thing explicitly excluded is aliens.
As for joining, just post a character sheet and get approval for it from Elf, then jump in.
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Will take a while, I'm doing him also as a Servant, so that comes first before I'm finished with a RP profile.
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Well, you can have him show up as a servant here if you wish. Mil is intending to run a Grail War in the RP at some point.
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@MysteriousHeroineX: Yup, just jump right on in. :3 We still have plenty of room, believe me. Also, welcome to both the forum and Cross Effects! :)
Also, long, long, long, long post. Also, Tom tries giving a peptalk! :D In his own special way! :D ...Since the first half of it is depressing as hell, he's probably not succeeding, especially since he's not exactly the most sensitive soul on the planet, but hey, at least he's trying! :D Also, he's offering himself as a bloodbank now, yaaaaayy!! :D
But... yeah, I'll appreciate it when I can write shorter posts again. I think these long ones where I respond to a million things come out as a bit of a mess, and thus have a significant drop in quality from even my usual efforts. ^^"
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Yeah, long posts like that are a pain in the ass to write. That's the problem when we get into long, drawn-out scenes with a lot of characters, posts get more and more extended and harder to write.
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Certainly, in his own novel series he is implied to have become sort of Counter Guardian equivalent, and in his own world his fame equals that of King Arthur (and he reached equivalent of Avalon after his demise), so definitely he would qualify to be a Heroic Spirit in HGW involving parallel worlds.
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Took me a while upon getting home to get my response together, but there you go, YOLF!
Hopefully Tywin won't freak out when his giant dragon ally has a dullahan tagging along FOR JUSTICE/RIGHTEOUSNESS.
=P
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Hmm, I was talking to Alice on IRC and she said that a new character is welcome.
Well then, I guess I'll be jumping in the frame as Tamamo.
A Caster, but not the one you people are used to. :P
(http://i.imgur.com/Rkn2jyh.png)
P.S: No, that's not a tail behind her. This is 100% Human.
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Well, you need Elf's approval to join, but there's no reason she'll reject it as long as the sheet is reasonable.
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Alright.
Do I PM the sheet to Elf or throw it up on the Character Profiles page?
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P.S: No, that's not a tail behind her. This is 100% Human.
no fluffy tail
;A;
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Alright.
Do I PM the sheet to Elf or throw it up on the Character Profiles page?
Put it in the character profiles thread.
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Eh, human Tamamo.
I just mean this as a fun observation, but wow man, your far-stretched mythological connections make it seem like you wrote for the Campione light novels.
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Let it be known that on this day
Lyco mourned the loss
of the fluffy tail
may it rest in peace
and be touched with love and care
by those worthy few
in the afterlife
;n;
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Eh, human Tamamo.
I just mean this as a fun observation, but wow man, your far-stretched mythological connections make it seem like you wrote for the Campione light novels.
This is not far fetched.
Basically, in Fate Extra CCC, we get to meet "Amaterasu gone delinquent (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/File:Castergoddess.png)".
However, the spirit that we meet is not labelled as "Amaterasu", rather, it is called "Golden White Face".
This is the very name that one uses to identify the 'disaster' that went from China to India to Japan. A group of Meiji Folklorists did an analysis of the legends and related this to Hokusai's information, found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-tailed_fox#Hokusai.27s_depiction).
Nasu himself has stated that Tamamo is not a Fox Spirit, but should more properly be called a Dakini-type. She uses witchcraft too (but opts not to in the game), techniques of Deva, which do not originate from Japan but find their roots in Buddhism. It's in the backstory of Tamamo herself -- I went to replay F/E and note down Tamamo's Dialogue, also, went up to check CCC's translations for this project.
Now, as to how they can be different embodiments. When the protagonist comes out of the vision of 'Golden White Faced', Tamamo tells them to 'forget what they've seen'. It is because she is deeply hateful of her 'past self', which she identifies as a different existence.
That 'past-self' is Daji.
Now, how can Daji and Tamamo No Mae be different if even in Nasu Canon, they're stated to be all aspects of Amaterasu, and according to legends (which Nasu correlates), it was the same Spirit that wrecked all of this Chaos?
Simple. In Daji's tale, it was said that Daji was originally a normal woman, however, the Spirit that took hold of her ate her soul and became one with her. A level above possession.
The same could be said for Misukume, who was potentially a human being at first, but them, the Spirit merged with Misukume and gave birth to Tamamo No Mae.
While it is the same spirit everywhere, the 'vessel' used is different.
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Please no CCC spoilers, I don't know what it is you posted or what you planned to post but I will not read it, if there's one thing I am truly against it's spoilers so if you're gonna do that I'm gonna be in a bad mood.
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Erm, I don't think you can reasonably demand "no CCC spoilers" in an RP where people are allowed to play any character they like.
I don't think he is intending to spoiler CCC, but if someone does decide to play such a character I don't think you can legitimately complain.
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Wow Mil, way to be a spoilsport.
What about Duel Savior spoilers uh? What about those, ya big dummy! You just playing the Lords of Ruin and revealing crap and stuff about their characters and how Downy Reed is really in league with them and all! >:(
I'm kidding, obviously, but do you see my point, Milbunk?
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Well way back when I wanted to start using those guys I made sure to bring up the fact that if anyone wanted to care about spoilers they should let me know but everyone was fine with it, this however was something I am desperately trying not to spoil myself and if that means stopping what I'm doing then you can bet that's exactly what I'm going to do. (There's a reason I fight so hard against this on BL in the first place.)
It is still a Type-Moon forum after all.
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Just skip that Caster's character sheet and any infodumps that might happen about her then, jeepers.
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Well way back when I wanted to start using those guys I made sure to bring up the fact that if anyone wanted to care about spoilers they should let me know but everyone was fine with it, this however was something I am desperately trying not to spoil myself and if that means stopping what I'm doing then you can bet that's exactly what I'm going to do. (There's a reason I fight so hard against this on BL in the first place.)
It is still a Type-Moon forum after all.
The information I've given is much less of a spoiler when compared to giving unknown Servants' Identities and explaining plot details.
Caster's past and identity has been explored in F/E to the fullest, so whatever there is in CCC, it isn't exactly 'accurate' to call them spoilers of plot, but rather, they're little tidbits of here and there - like cherries topping the cake mostly focusing on character development.
Most important of all, the huge bulk of the info comes from F/E. The CCC part isn't that much of a spoiler but rather re-affirmation of something that had been stated in F/E already. You already know about the fact that Casko is an aspect of a Divine Spirit.
If you absolutely want to skip whatever info I'm posting though, then feel free to do so -- but remember that my character in herself has nothing to do with CCC.
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Well way back when I wanted to start using those guys I made sure to bring up the fact that if anyone wanted to care about spoilers they should let me know but everyone was fine with it, this however was something I am desperately trying not to spoil myself and if that means stopping what I'm doing then you can bet that's exactly what I'm going to do. (There's a reason I fight so hard against this on BL in the first place.)
It is still a Type-Moon forum after all.
Look, honestly, you can't demand that people not play spoilerific characters. If you want to avoid them then fine, but this is an RP open to everyone, and it is not fair to limit their character choices.
Hell, we already have Extra characters in the RP. I don't think there are many CCC spoilers for Hakuno right now, but if something in her characterisation comes up only there I don't think Alice is going to ignore it on that basis.
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Fine if it's from Extra I can't say much as there has been plenty of time to play that and I have, but if it's from CCC then I won't participate.
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-- but remember that my character in herself has nothing to do with CCC.
I think that all should be fine.
Hopefully.
P.S: It's nitpicking, but I'd rather prefer to be identified as an 'it' at least.
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Fine if it's from Extra I can't say much as there has been plenty of time to play that and I have, but if it's from CCC then I won't participate.
But most of the characters in CCC are also in Extra, so it's not always easy to make the distinction. I'm sure Hakuno gets some character development in CCC too.
Ultimately it's up to you, but you can't demand that people not play characters that you consider spoilerific. I doubt anyone will right now, because not that many people have played it, but if they choose to do so then I don't think you can really stop them.
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On an unrelated topic, could someone possibly create an index where links to different characters are given, alongside who actually plays them?
For example:
Alice:
Hakuno
Archer (EMIYA F/E)
Elf:
Rin
Archer (EMIYA F/HF)
Cherry Lover:
Rider
Sakura
Shirou
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Caster-Tamano Has been approved!
Hey, if everyone can give me a list of the characters that they're playing, that'll be great. I can put it on the first page.
Basically put your name and then list your characters.
Thank you!
Edit, basically, make it look like this:
Elf
Forest - Vampire
Dark Archer (Alternate HF route) - Corrupted Servant
Lancer (Post UBW route, but he was made a living boy again for the RP due to Nexus shenanigans.) -Celtic Demi-God and Manwhore
Angel - Vampire with a Soul
Lady Wynn Noreen Umbra - Faerie Noble
Gabriel L. Umbra - Faerie/Incubus Hybrid.
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Yay~
Now I can get to posting something interesting. Or try to get into action I suppose.
Even if this is logical and not really necessary, for formality's sake...
Ayakashi
- Caster (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg12914.html#msg12914) (Tamamo No Mae) - Different from F/E's Tamamo.
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Does this include character sheets, or just the characters we're currently playing? xD
Ehh, I'll just put down all of them.
YOLF
Sir Bonesington (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8183.html#msg8183) - Dapper Lich (Warcraft)
Fate Averruncus (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8352.html#msg8352) - Mage Construct (Mahou Sensei Negima)
Anub'Zahar (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg8515.html#msg8515) - Traumatized Crypt Lord (Warcraft)
Maximillian 'Max' Achterberg (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9389.html#msg9389) - Kindred Vampire Agent (World Of Darkness)
Kassadin (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9627.html#msg9627) - Void-tainted Human (League Of Legends)
Ketsumoto Uchiten (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg10283.html#msg10283) - Evil Spirit Onmyouji
Monarch (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11116.html#msg11116) - Butterfly Changeling Gangster (Shadowrun)
Fuu Dawnstrider (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11985.html#msg11985) - Adventuring Tauren Shaman (Warcraft)
Tân Gwyllt (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg12590.html#msg12590) - Demon formed from composite myth
All done with links to the profiles, Elf. \(^c^)/
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Mooncake
'Lucas Klein'- Unknown
Wanderer - Horseman
Also damn YOLF, that's a lot of characters >.>
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Arch-Magos Winter
Doomrider - He does COCAINE
Lawrence Frisvold & the Redheaded Driver - A Sin Eater and his Geist
Raul - Demon, his own master now
Jack - Gangrel private investigator who's not in the best of moods
Tywin - Scion of Tyr
Brianna - Ghoul of Jack
And that's it I think.
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Thanks guys, this should have been something I did a little while ago.
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Thanks guys, this should have been something I did a little while ago.
Better late than never. ( OwO)
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You're welcome Elf.
... it's kinda sad my brain is still spewing out more character ideas. xD
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I've been trying to get em to do this for a while now:
Downy Reed
Imnity of the White Book
Lobelia Reed
Mudou the Betrayer
Shezar the Assassin's Blade
Medea (Caster)
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Okay.
Ivan The Mouse:
Rattus von Engels - Immortal Businessman
Jan Neo Langraad - Immortal Slacker
Yukina Aikawa - Immortal Engineer
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Well, here went my first post.
Casko has the pleasure of heading inside Rose's bar for some money-saving run. Not that I improvised liberties for our little favorite pink-haired girl to get into some brewing plot.
I guess that Uchiten/Wander/Rose/whoever's in the bar can feel free to interact with me, if they feel the need to do so.
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Caster probably seeps of Onmyoudou and Witchcraft. And that all but guarantees Uchiten will at least take a look at her. :P
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Her Onmyoudou is a bit different to conventional Onmyoudou... at least, it's different to Type-Moon's Houjutsu.
Basically, the Eastern school of Magecrafts are incompatible with the more 'classical' magecraft schools of the West, as unlike what is taught at the Clock Tower, Onmyoudou in the Type-Moon universe have to 'become one with Gaia', or one with 'spirits'. Basically, it's a bit like sinking with Gaia and its Terminals, compared to Magecraft where there's a bit more of a scientific approach - steps, foundations and self-suggestion. It's using Gaia rather than becoming one with her.
Caster's Houjutsu, as written in her profile though, is just 'Houjutsu' - it's not the said school of magic, but it simply looks like it. In truth, everything that Caster does is to be more proper, related to cursecraft and witchcraft, which are perhaps included in Houjutsu/Onmyoudou's arts, but are only part of the curriculum, not the entirety of it.
This might actually sync in with Uchiten even better because she feels more like a demon (which are materialized curses in Fateverse) than a Fox Spirit (an aspect of a Divine Spirit, aka Amaterasu). Her shikigami are also comparable to being materialized curses rather than familiars animated by magecraft.
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Wynn might hit on Cast-ko, just to let you know.
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Here's my list of characters thus far.
Alice:
Hakuno Kishinami (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2526.html#msg2526) - Fate/Extra and CCC's protagonist, moe mistress of the heart's secrets. ...Just not in the Nexus.
Archer (Nameless Hero) (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2564.html#msg2564)- He who is EMIYA but who also is not. Hakuno's Servant.
Tohsaka Rin (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2767.html#msg2767) - Young, talented gem magus and master of thigh highs. And also her troll of a magical girl rod who swiftly abandoned her.
Mille Garrison (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2766.html#msg2766)- A young magus specialized with runes, fire, and bounded fields. Expect little variation. Also has shonen anime/manga levels of stubbornness and determination.
Finn Garrison (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg2765.html#msg2765) - Freelance magus/mercenary who's far too nice and optimistic for his own good. Is weaker than most everyone else present in terms of raw power, so mostly useful for moral support.
Tohsaka Ryoko (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg6707.html#msg6707) - Dark Archer and Rin's daughter from the future. Is generally friendly and casual, but can have a bit of a cruel streak. Likes kicking things.
Thomas Hale (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg6708.html#msg6708) - Pretty boy psychic of great power that isn't a fan of humanity. Is also secretly a cat monster thing.
Rei Blackwell (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg9482.html#msg9482) - Alchemist and Machinist with a passion for inventing, robots, and explosions. Has a tendency towards unintentional property damage.
Also, who's up next in the Complex? I know it isn't me, since I already went, but I'm mostly just curious. ^^"
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Wynn might hit on Cast-ko, just to let you know.
The more the merrier ( OwO)
Although I suppose that it'd be nice if Aiden gave me a reaction to the entry, since I'm going to buy some wine and Sake from the bartender.
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Wynn might hit on Cast-ko, just to let you know.
Won't Wynn hit on just about anyone...?
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Won't Wynn hit on just about anyone...?
She's more likely to hit on women than men!
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Won't Wynn hit on just about anyone...?
She's more likely to hit on women than men!
So, Rider, then...?
And, damn, I never got my post done, again. I'll have to make sure I get one done tomorrow....
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I am not responsible for any disappointments. 'Goshujin-sama is my one and only priority'
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Mordred - Bloody bastard.
Nessa - Jack's former snack.
Kyle - Werewolf lurker.
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Yay, Daiki post! :D
Now just waiting for Magos before I post again. ...and Mike, but that should go without saying. :P
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Yay, Daiki post! :D
Now just waiting for Magos before I post again. ...and Mike, but that should go without saying. :P
I'll get it done after I eat.
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Yay! :D
Now to just keep prodding Mike, and I'm all set~
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I'm just waiting on good ol Kaiza.
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Magos, I wait.
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R31-N4 (Reina) - Android Series No. 12, “Executioner” Unit
I'm just waiting on good ol Kaiza.
Sorry for taking so long; I'll have my post up tomorrow.
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Mike, I would ask you if Rider's the kind of person who'd shamelessly take advantage of a comatose hostage, but I already know the answer is yes.
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Mike, I would ask you if Rider's the kind of person who'd shamelessly take advantage of a comatose hostage, but I already know the answer is yes.
You know that's going to piss Gabriel off.
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Mike, I would ask you if Rider's the kind of person who'd shamelessly take advantage of a comatose hostage, but I already know the answer is yes.
Actually, no, because Rider does have morals (look back at the stuff that happened with her and Angra, for example), but she is the kind of person who would gladly torture an amoral vampire who tried to kill them all.
Remember she has no idea what went on here. She just thinks Gabriel captured some enemy vampire that was trying to kill them. If she knows the truth then she won't hurt the girl unless she has to, because she would feel sympathetic towards her.
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Hey Ayakashi, if you don't agree with my minor ad-libbing, feel free to ignore it.
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I've been feeling kind of sick the last 24 hours, so it will take me a bit to write a response to you, YOLF - sorry. ^^;
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No problemo.
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Hey Ayakashi, if you don't agree with my minor ad-libbing, feel free to ignore it.
Oh, I'm fine with things.
I've just been quite distracted as of late ( TwT).
I'll be working on the answer post in a short while.
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Bleh, sorry I've been putting out posts so much slower lately. ^^" Hopefully once things slow down a bit or characters get split up, they should get written more quickly. :) Anyway, doing this in parts again. One part down, one to go.
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Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted in the last week; I've been oddly tired and worried about getting into the grad program I applied to.
However, I got my acceptance email, so I think I can focus a little more on this again. Just have to catch up.
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Rose is apparently getting all sorts of attention.
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Rose is apparently getting all sorts of attention.
Which I need to catch up with!
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There's also Marius and Max's shopping trip.
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And posted for Rose, Marius and Chiyo.
Can't post for Valda because I don't even think it's my turn for that scene right now.
And I'll figure out a place to bring in my other characters sometime.
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It's no problem at all, Aiden. :) IRL stuff takes priority.
Also, congratulations on your acceptance into Grad School! :D
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Yeah, congratulations.
What are you studying?
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Yeah, congratulations.
What are you studying?
I already have my Bachelor's in Psychology, so now I'm going for Masters of Social Work. Going to specialize in dealing with aging populations.
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@Aiden: Welcome back and congratulations / good luck with your new studies.
@YOLF: Finally wrote Casko's answer. Do tell if anything's off / weird.
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Answer looks pretty fine to me, although I will note that there wasn't really anything like a sword thrust there. More like a sword simply being raised to neck height as the familiar half-materialized for that moment.
Will begin writing response posts in a bit.
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Answer looks pretty fine to me, although I will note that there wasn't really anything like a sword thrust there. More like a sword simply being raised to neck height as the familiar half-materialized for that moment.
Will begin writing response posts in a bit.
When I mean 'thrust', I meant that the motion of bringing the sword up to Casko's neck. I imagine that it was a fairly vivid move, which could've lead potentially into a decapitating strike. Not that it was the familiar's intention, but when a sword is brought up quickly to your neck, the first idea that comes to one's head is generally the one that "hey, they're trying to lop my head off".
( OwO)
If that makes any sense.
Maybe that I used the wrong word somewhere?
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"Thrust" gives me the impression that the sword was quickly pushed forward, which wasn't necessarily the case, but I didn't specify, so well, I guess it's fine as it is. I also didn't specify the distance between the tip of the half-manifested sword and Caster, so again, it's fine.
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Would 'raised' work as a suitable alternative?
<-- watches too much media where 'threatening with a sword' = pulling out sword extremely fast and holding the 'target' at a dangerously close range.
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Like I said, it's fine. Though "raised" is a more suitable way to say it, yes.
Too sleepy, going to sleep for tonight. Will post tomorrow, anyone waiting on me.
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Sorry for the delay just waiting on a certain person for their reply. (Hint it's Kaiza.)
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Posted again, though I still need to get the big, main one done. ^^"
...I also assumed that Gabriel hadn't said anything about the possibility of the golem being a trap. Did I remember right? ^^" If not, I can edit to account for that easily.
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"...everyone being so violently retarded."
I laughed a bit too much there.
Also, Elf, is Wynn offering to pay for Tamamo's purchase? That's what I got from reading your post, but I'd rather make sure and not work on assumptions.
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Sorry for disappearing for a while guys. I've got tomorrow off and most of my exams are over, so I'll use that day to catch up on pretty much everything. Luka, Undine, the vampire chick, hell, I might even toss some Axe Cop in there.
By the way, Alice, this entire time the 'golem' has been steadily moving away from the scene via the rooftops. He's slow, so it'll be easy to catch up in no time at all, but not exactly visible from right beside the compound. The place it would wait is at least one or two blocks away, I think. Easily within Archer's range, but not a normal person's vision, unless they had a nice vantage point.
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Also, Elf, is Wynn offering to pay for Tamamo's purchase? That's what I got from reading your post, but I'd rather make sure and not work on assumptions.
Yes, Wynn is offering to buy Tamano that bottle of sake.
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Sorry for disappearing for a while guys. I've got tomorrow off and most of my exams are over, so I'll use that day to catch up on pretty much everything. Luka, Undine, the vampire chick, hell, I might even toss some Axe Cop in there.
Isn't the vampire chick currently unconscious?
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Sorry for disappearing for a while guys. I've got tomorrow off and most of my exams are over, so I'll use that day to catch up on pretty much everything. Luka, Undine, the vampire chick, hell, I might even toss some Axe Cop in there.
Hey man, it's okay; I disappeared for a bit too.
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Isn't the vampire chick currently unconscious?
I'll be writing her character sheet and posting it.
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Ah, OK.
And, don't worry about Rider, she won't hurt her now that she knows the truth, although if the girl is being obstinate and obviously hiding things she might just "accidentally" mention the fact that she's a total sadist....
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Sorry for disappearing for a while guys. I've got tomorrow off and most of my exams are over, so I'll use that day to catch up on pretty much everything. Luka, Undine, the vampire chick, hell, I might even toss some Axe Cop in there.
By the way, Alice, this entire time the 'golem' has been steadily moving away from the scene via the rooftops. He's slow, so it'll be easy to catch up in no time at all, but not exactly visible from right beside the compound. The place it would wait is at least one or two blocks away, I think. Easily within Archer's range, but not a normal person's vision, unless they had a nice vantage point.
It's no problem at all. :) ...Hell, I've been around, and I have yet to get my one post done. ^^" Plus again, IRL stuff comes first. So don't worry about it. :D
And ahhhhhh, ok. I think I misunderstood a bit. ^^" I'll edit my post. :)
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Not making any progress with the rest of my post, so I leave just the Max bit.
Tomorrow I will endeavor to write an Uchiten response, and maybe finally put Monarch into action. But for now I'm going to sleep.
Zzzzzzzz...
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Recovering from a cold virus and the lingering headache - or that could just be from the cold - but I'm working on a reply for dullahan greenflame.
in my head XP
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Ouch. :( Take your time, and get well soon. :)
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Hopefully I should get to post tonight!
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So didn't post tonight either. Erm, I'll make sure to do so tomorrow.
Meanwhile, I hope you get better soon Lyco!
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Meanwhile, I hope you get better soon Lyco!
Thanks, YOLF; I don't have a cold anymore and my headache is better, but now I feel sick to my stomach. :(
...I haven't been sick in a while, so maybe stuff just finally caught up to me? either way: :( :( :(
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Aw shit, I need to get a Tywin post going don't I?
Well fuck, won't be up tomorrow; probably not until Sunday or something like that.
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Still waiting on elf and mike.
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Alright Kaiza can't you give me something here? Just something to show you're not dead? I'd hate to move on without you but you're leaving me with little choice by this point.
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*comes in running*
I finally posted! Finally!
I'm sorry for the horrible delay. Aside from getting my driver's license, only I'm to blame for the delay (Silent Hill LPs and P4G are very distracting...)
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You've been better than me. ^^"
And post with Rei. :) I'll hopefully get the other two done soon-ish. Or at least sometime this century.
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I need to poast I believe? Reply to Wynn and Uchiten...
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You need to post yes. Unless you mean toast. In which case I'd be fine with that, because I like toast. But that is neither here nor there. 8P
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You missed it, man: poast.
An entire post, either the internet or the construction kind, made of toast.
true perfection
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Hmn, tasty, tasty poast.
And Magos, reply please.
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To what? I'll get right on it;
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To my post, of course.
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Sorry guys, I've been away. A close friend of mine's father passed away and I had a really bad bout of food poisoning/stomach flu. I mean, I was gushing out from both ends!
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That's doubly awful. :(
And perfectly understandable. Good to hear you're better on the food poisoning/flu end!
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Sorry guys, I've been away. A close friend of mine's father passed away and I had a really bad bout of food poisoning/stomach flu. I mean, I was gushing out from both ends!
Not the most pleasant of things. Do get well.
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Ouch, I hope you feel better soon.
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Sorry guys, I've been away. A close friend of mine's father passed away and I had a really bad bout of food poisoning/stomach flu. I mean, I was gushing out from both ends!
As YOLF said, god, that is awful. :( At least you're feeling better on the stomach flu front, progress there is always good. :D
Take all the time you need, and I hope you get well soon. :)
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That's doubly awful. :(
And perfectly understandable. Good to hear you're better on the food poisoning/flu end!
There's a stomach flu going around, however it kicked in exactly 8 hours after I had last ate. So it could have been either one, but man, it was horrible. I had no idea it was possible to be that sick and I'm still exhausted for it. (And I strained my throat calling up dinosaurs.)
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Ouch. D: Either food poisoning or stomach flu, I'm glad that the worst of it is over now. :) Make sure to get plenty of rest. :)
And finally posted! :D ....With Mille. Still not done with Tom and friends.
Mille snaps! Ruby is a troll! And Rider's screwed, but not in the way she'd prefer!
...Yeah, not the greatest post in the world more than likely, but at least that's one down finally. ^^"
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Get well soon, Ma'am Elf.
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Ruby is fixing things (or trying) by being a troll? What madness is this!
No, I kid. Just seeing Ruby being so helpful is rare.
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I'm not sure she's really trying to fix anything. Certainly she didn't seem to be making any effort to appeal to Rider here or to smooth things over, she's just going on the attack. I think her only reason for holding Mille back is to avoid getting Mille nailed to a wall and then her turned into firewood (either by Rider or, else, by Rin when she finds out Ruby's role in Mille's death...).
Rider isn't going to feel great about what happened, no, but I don't think Ruby is helping much (aside from pointing out all the things that I OOCly forgot entirely to take into consideration when formulating Rider's response...). And in so far as she is, she's mostly doing it to upset Rider rather than to actually resolve anything.
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Fix in the sense that she prevented Millie from doing anything stupid and impulsive, and is very clearly telling Rider that was not nice nor well phrased of her to say. Going on the attack with her reply only seems natural given who we're talking about and the fact that everyone is already throwing around pretty poisonous words.
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Waiting on Magos, since he said he wanted to make a Tywin post!
also woah, I come back from recovering and suddenly Mille+Ruby and Rider are about ready to shred each other apart.
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so there was this guy
named lucas >.>
that might be a thing soon <.<
(he might wake up but not much else)
Also I'm sorry, workload is immense right before break, almost no time to post :(
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Waiting on Magos, since he said he wanted to make a Tywin post!
also woah, I come back from recovering and suddenly Mille+Ruby and Rider are about ready to shred each other apart.
Go ahead and continue your conversation.
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Alright I'll get me a post up sometime soon.
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Waiting on Magos, since he said he wanted to make a Tywin post!
also woah, I come back from recovering and suddenly Mille+Ruby and Rider are about ready to shred each other apart.
Go ahead and continue your conversation.
Magos, I'm waiting for a reply here from Henderson to Neo, so I can get my other characters to move.
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Finally, I have posted!
Dark Archer isn't going to play around or get into some petty bitch fest.
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Hmm, in general what Gabriel said about not judging people is right, but it doesn't apply quite so much when membership of the group is something you choose. Sure, there can still be good magi, but the fact that they willingly follow the Association's rules and philosophy does generally imply they're probably not that great a person.
Rider was wrong about Mille, of course, but the vast majority of magi are assholes, and Rider knows all-too-well how bad they can be.
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However, sometimes people have to join something because they don't have that much of a choice. Especially if they want to learn say magecraft.
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Well, yes, that is somewhat true, and Rider knows Rin well enough to be aware of that situation. However, she also knows that the desire to be a magus is strongly correlated with being an asshole, because Magi are more-or-less brought up to be such. Even though Rider likes how Rin turned out in the end, she doesn't like how she was brought up one bit.
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Posted with Rin, still waiting on you Elf
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Posted with Rin, still waiting on you Elf
What are you waiting on me for?
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A reply to Alter, I think.
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And Satoshi about letting Angra stay there.
Well, I'm waiting for Alice to post with her group, and then once she does there will be my reply.
Also, I don't know how well Rin's words are going to come across, Archer was already airborne.
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Satoshi and Alter are waiting on Forest's reply.
And Rin will just have to follow him if he's gone chasing the golem
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The funny thing is, Elf, that Archer would've had much more success if he hadn't fired a Broken Phantasm. My guy can only use an existing function for a Trick. He can't make something explode if it isn't designed to explode in the first place.
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Then that might be something that Ryoko will have to exploit assuming she makes it outside, wily thing that she is~ ...I'd say something about Mille doing it, but Mille's... not exactly in the best shape at the moment. ^^"
Speaking of which, finally posted with the main group. Naturally, not that good of a post, which is pretty much a given considering how ungodly long it took, but it's finally done.
Proper handling of grief type things and the like (and proper "holy crap!" reactions to Tom being nearly drained dry) will happen next post. This is more of a transitional one so people aren't stuck anymore so things can get moving again.
Now just gotta wait on Mike, and I can get another Mille/Ruby post in there too.
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Well, the stuff with Rider is going to take a bit, I think, there's a lot to reply to and it's quite sensitive....
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Working on a post, though it's probably going to be a bit dull and a near-repeat of last time.
[edit 2 - this time with positivity]
Posted, though it's not much. YOLF, Magos - hope I at least made something response-worthy!
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This is proving to be a very long night for Forest and co.
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Very long indeed. ^^" ...Too long, in fact. ^^"
Also, posted! :D ...Well, sort of. I forgot I didn't finish one bit because I had a question for Elf on it, in terms of the building layout, but I'll get that fixed up soon enough.
EDIT: And edited in the missing bits~ Now I've posted!
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Ayakashi, where are youuuuu ;w;
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Too many people missing or busy.... I am sad. :(
And yay, Daiki posted! :D ...quite awhile back. ^^" I'll respond to it after Elf gets her turn with the Complex stuff. :)
And I hate writing Mille this weepy, even if she's kinda rattled by everything. Though this probably will be the only time this really happens with her, once she starts to get over the whole identity crisis thing.
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Well, having your entire world-view challenged like that is going to hit you quite hard. I would assume Rin would be sympathetic, though, since she once had faith in Magi (especially her father), and then found out how wrong she was....
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Man, I don't even know where to start with Tywin's post. Shit.
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What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help you. :) Because I understand your pain all too well. ^^" But yeah, sometimes talking it out or bouncing ideas off of someone can help. :)
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Yeah, I know - and I'm up way way too late, It's like 3 AM here. God damn my midnight grocery runs to avoid traffic.
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Get some sleep and worry about it later then. :) It ain't worth your health, after all.
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Man, I don't even know where to start with Tywin's post. Shit.
Something something - daaamn, Lyco is apparently really good at distractions. :P
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Team Ireland strikes again!
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OK, can someone give me an idea of the fuck just happened in Lantz's post because apparently it's fine for Satoshi to take AM prisoner but when Law attempted the same thing he gets kicked in the head by Connor? And the fuck is up with the Jeepers Creepers name drop?
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I don't even know what a Jeepers Creepers "rolling board" is.
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A rolling board is a board with wheels that mechanics use to move about underneath a car. Given that forest has a number of cars I assumed she keeps up maintenance on them and a rolling board is pretty basic stuff.
Jeepers creepers is just a common brand, like snap on tools or ford
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OK, can someone give me an idea of the fuck just happened in Lantz's post because apparently it's fine for Satoshi to take AM prisoner but when Law attempted the same thing he gets kicked in the head by Connor? And the fuck is up with the Jeepers Creepers name drop?
There's a bit of a difference between weakening her so she can be kept prisoner in a room and shoving her in a jar to be stored until Law feels like eating her....
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Not really, and considering the shit that Law went through when he ate a little of her he'd avoid eating her in full.
Besides, she's still trapped either way isn't she Mike? Its' just that one way isn't under lantz's ultimate control and can't be used to justify her sucking satoshi off or some other bullshit.
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Forest said prisoner and it's her house, Satoshi has to because he needs to fulfill his oath.
secondly, law's way had no possible character development. That's the key difference between that and this.
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Not really, and considering the shit that Law went through when he ate a little of her he'd avoid eating her in full.
Perhaps, but she's still complately unable to do anything whatsoever.
Besides, she's still trapped either way isn't she Mike?
She can still act, though, and interact with other players. She's stuck in a room, but she's not out of the RP like she would have been with Law.
Its' just that one way isn't under lantz's ultimate control and can't be used to justify her sucking satoshi off or some other bullshit.
Well, yes, but that's the point. Lantz is making a decision to allow Angra to be limited in a way he is comfortable with, as opposed to you trying to force him to take limitations that essentially make her unplayable. Lantz never said "I will never let Angra get trapped", he just did not want it being done the way you were doing it, which gave him no ability to RP her and no control whatsoever over her situation.
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You know, I've always wondered with Character development, because some of these other characters have had actual development in the RP... while none of Lantz's have shown a smidgen of it. For that matter, Angra could still interact with others in that bottle - she just couldn't leave it. She's just as confined as this room, and possibly has more opportunity for character development, far more.
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Given the events tied to my characters they haven't had anything to learn, at least nothing that puts them outside of their respective mindset, not yet anyway. So there hasn't been a trigger for development for them.
They've all reacted to things but they aren't facing the "earth shattering" stuff the others are. I said it before, in order to get my characters to "learn their lesson" you have to actually convince them that they are wrong. Thus far I've seen no convincing evidence put forth by the characters, so mine remain steadfast in the belief that they are correct in their intent.
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Just to lay it out in the open, I added a paragraph of relevant info that I had forgotten to Uchiten's character sheet regarding his ability to use Curses.
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Given the events tied to my characters they haven't had anything to learn, at least nothing that puts them outside of their respective mindset, not yet anyway. So there hasn't been a trigger for development for them.
They've all reacted to things but they aren't facing the "earth shattering" stuff the others are. I said it before, in order to get my characters to "learn their lesson" you have to actually convince them that they are wrong. Thus far I've seen no convincing evidence put forth by the characters, so mine remain steadfast in the belief that they are correct in their intent.
You're basically saying that your characters are always right; hence there's no need for them to develop. You fucking hypocrite. None of your characters will develop simply because of your attitude about them.
For all you go on and on about character development, you won't allow it because it will need them to be 'wrong.' Which despite us pointing out multiple times that they are wrong and acting like fucking pricks who all suck the cock of a total asshole with no actual character or charisma or even human fucking decency who is totally OK with killing his mother because he doesn't see her as an actual person - Through his own statements, he said that - they will never admit because you won't allow them too. Your characters are all one dimensional pricks who's main defining feature is how much they love your favorite mary sue's dick in their mouth's.
TL;DR, You are a hypocritical fucking moron
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Come on Magos, getting all worked up isn't going to help.
Lantz said that his characters haven't yet been faced with anything that would make them question themselves enough to prompt some kind of change. He's not saying they never will change or completely shutting out the chance of development at least. Some characters are also more static than others. Of course this all means nothing if the person in question is adamant in never being wrong, but I haven't seen any declarations like that.
I understand the reasons why you'd be upset, and personally I also don't really like the way lantz handles some of his characters, but saying things the way you did isn't any better than forcing words into lantz's mouth and deciding things yourself in the same fashion you're accusing him of. Or in other words, talking like you're always right.
Let's not get into drama over this, please.
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I agree with YOLF for the most part. I found what lantz said about his character's development frustrating too for my own reasons (it basically insults the lecture Rin gave Toshi for instance, saying that it had no merit), but your criticisms and complaints could have been better expressed than this.
Criticizing lantz's characters is fine, but as YOLF said, your approach there wasn't the best. It could have done without the last part, for instance.
In other words, don't let your frustration get to you. ...Trust me, I learned that the hard way. ^^" If you ever want to let off some steam about this stuff, just shoot me PMs, I'm cool with that. Vent at me to your heart's desire~ Just try not to let it out this way. Again, your criticisms were fine, it's the way it's stated that's the problem.
...Sorry for not jumping on this sooner btw, I'm a touch under the weather (though I should just power through it, but eh :P). It's also why I don't have my post done quite yet (or a post, I might end up doing this in parts again for each character/sets of characters). I'll try to get on posting asap, once my brain's a bit less mushy.
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Rin sidestepped Satoshi's intent Alice and the stake for which he acted. If she had not devalued his intent to protect life after Archer threated and nearly reignited the conflict (which you had Archer admit was an error) Then Satoshi would have agreed with her. However she's speaking as if protecting a life is wrong, at least as far as Satoshi can see. If someone questioned Rin's core beliefs I would expect her to be just as stubborn. Satoshi believes in protecting life, misdirection and bluffing is sometimes part of that. And to be frank neither Archer or Satoshi threw a punch so I think Rin and company are overreacting.
And it's not as if Rin is a pure snowflake, she outright disowned Sakura because the woman wouldn't believe (after five minutes) that her brother is a monster. And Satoshi and Sakura already admitted their errors in the situations so far.
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Rin sidestepped Satoshi's intent Alice and the stake for which he acted. If she had not devalued his intent to protect life after Archer threated and nearly reignited the conflict (which you had Archer admit was an error) Then Satoshi would have agreed with her. However she's speaking as if protecting a life is wrong, at least as far as Satoshi can see. If someone questioned Rin's core beliefs I would expect her to be just as stubborn. Satoshi believes in protecting life, misdirection and bluffing is sometimes part of that. And to be frank neither Archer or Satoshi threw a punch so I think Rin and company are overreacting.
And it's not as if Rin is a pure snowflake, she outright disowned Sakura because the woman wouldn't believe (after five minutes) that her brother is a monster. And Satoshi and Sakura already admitted their errors in the situations so far.
My hand is smacking into my face so fucking hard.
So you're trying to pin the blame on Rin for Satoshi pretty much threatening multiple times to kill Archer and Rin being pissy about it for obvious reasons? She's not saying protecting a life is wrong, in fact pretty much the exact opposite. If anything, Satoshi is going against his entire creedo by even threatening someone with harm, let alone actually trying to harm others mulitiple times.
Satoshi is a horrible character that is the source of the majority of my complaints about your Roleplaying and this is just a minor factor of it.
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Don't care Arch, have fun with that opinion of yours
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...lantz. Honestly, what you said really comes off as trolling to me. None of that is true. Your response to Magos makes this worse. Yes, Magos went too far with his response, and I addressed that. And then you turn and do that to me. So yes, as far as I can see, what you just did was a deliberate trolling attempt.
This is yet another warning. Next time I'm probably going to move up to a tempban. Stop twisting people's words or straight up lying to make yourself look like the victim, it's getting really old at this point.
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No, it wasn't a trolling attempt and he wasn't twisting your words (although he may well be misunderstanding them). He was simply expressing his opinion. I agree that he seems to miss the point about Rin's feelings about Archer, but it is just a different way of looking at things, not an attempt to troll you.
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I was not trolling you Alice, I can provide proof in the RP for my characters motivations and the actions I claimed. As for Arch he openly harasses me all the time, most recently on beast's lair where everyone called him on it with his nonsense thread. I've reached my limit and I'm being honest, I do not care about his opinions, he's free to have them but I'm not going to pretend I'm listening.
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What proof exactly, lantz? Because quite frankly, I recall those sections quite clearly, namely because of the drama surrounding them, and I know for a fact that you are straight up lying or twisting the truth. In fact, certain parts of what you have said have been argued against before by the likes of Nachos, who saw similar to what I did, thus proving that you are, in fact, being dishonest.The fact that you responded to that right when I was trying to quell drama indicates that your intentions were not good. I can provide plenty of proof that what you are saying is false, as I suspect could a number of others, but I would prefer that the drama end here. If I have to though, I will link those sections.
The warning stands, lantz. You're on quite thin ice here.
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Alice, he is not lying, and he is certainly not trolling. He just has a different interpretation. Nothing said in Lantz's statement is really an outright factual statement that you can objectively say he must know is false. He never said that Rin said protecting a life was wrong, he said that the way she spoke made it seem that way to Toshi. I agree that it is somewhat bizarre that he would see it that way, but it's not a lie, just an unusual interpretation.
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I was not trolling you Alice, I can provide proof in the RP for my characters motivations and the actions I claimed. As for Arch he openly harasses me all the time, most recently on beast's lair where everyone called him on it with his nonsense thread. I've reached my limit and I'm being honest, I do not care about his opinions, he's free to have them but I'm not going to pretend I'm listening.
I'll admit I might 'Harass' you occasionally, but I'm not lying. Satoshi has acted like a dick to pretty much everyone who isn't your characters. He threatened to kill Archer - not D. Archer but I'm pretty sure he's threatened him too - and during that threat implied (hell, he practically outright said) that he views servants as 'less than human.' To go around and then accuse Rin of 'not wanting to preserve life' or whatever it is, is a flat out lie. She does want to preserve life, hell, she didn't even really disown Sakura. She kept tabs on her even when she was with the Matou.
Even with Satoshi's "It's a bluff" motive, he still acted like a total prick in that scene for no damn reason.
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Alice, he is not lying, and he is certainly not trolling. He just has a different interpretation. Nothing said in Lantz's statement is really an outright factual statement that you can objectively say he must know is false. He never said that Rin said protecting a life was wrong, he said that the way she spoke made it seem that way to Toshi. I agree that it is somewhat bizarre that he would see it that way, but it's not a lie, just an unusual interpretation.
By that Logic, C_V could simply have a different perspective and interpretation on what's acceptable on an internet forum.
Satoshi has acted like a total douche through most of this RP, this is just more of the same. It's practically trolling at this point.
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She does want to preserve life, hell, she didn't even really disown Sakura. She kept tabs on her even when she was with the Matou.
Wrong Sakura, he means his OC (Rin's daughter). Not that I really blame you for making that mistake, I thought the same thing when I initially read it.
By that Logic, C_V could simply have a different perspective and interpretation on what's acceptable on an internet forum.
Perhaps, but what I saw of CV makes him pretty obviously a troll. What I see of Lantz makes him pretty obviously not one (I think it helps that I know Lantz outside of just posts on this forum).
Honestly, you yourself would be a better example of that. Some of the things you do make me wonder if you are trolling sometimes, but I don't think you actually are. It's just that you end up causing real problems. Indeed, I'm pretty sure there were people on BL who called me a troll due to the trouble I sometimes caused and the things I would blow up over.
Satoshi has acted like a total douche through most of this RP, this is just more of the same. It's practically trolling at this point.
Satoshi has done some dumb things, yeah, but it's not trolling, because it's genuine. If I argue with a fundamentalist Christian nutjob who thinks the universe is 6000 years old, he's probably going to annoy me just as much as CV did, but he's not a troll because he actually believes it.
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There's no qualifier that excuses your harassment Arch.
As for your statement Alice, I am not a liar. That's all there is to it, the same goes for trolling, I am not one.
Viewing servants as less than human is not actually what he thinks, not by default, spirits who devalue life on the other hand are different
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She does want to preserve life, hell, she didn't even really disown Sakura. She kept tabs on her even when she was with the Matou.
Wrong Sakura, he means his OC (Rin's daughter). Not that I really blame you for making that mistake, I thought the same thing when I initially read it.
Yeah, that's confusing but even then, by Sakura's own logic, she isn't this Rin's daughter. Stating that and then expecting Rin to actually go like "HELLO LONG LOST DAUGHTER I WILL TOTALLY LISTEN TO ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY DESPITE YOU BEING A TOTAL BITCH TO ME" isn't really something anyone with two brain cells to rub together would do.
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Wow, um no Arch, that's not at all how it went.
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Wow, um no Arch, that's not at all how it went.
No, that's pretty much how it did. Your Sakura basically expected Rin to roll over and accept her as her daughter despite acting like a total bitch to everybody. Hint - that's not in Rin's character. For that matter, She really isn't Rin's daughter because the 'Rin' that was her mother is 'Rin' in name only.
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Both of you, please stop. Look, I shouldn'tve let what lantz said get to me (...how ironic ^^"), but you two fighting like this solves nothing. End this here.
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Satoshi has done some dumb things, yeah, but it's not trolling, because it's genuine. If I argue with a fundamentalist Christian nutjob who thinks the universe is 6000 years old, he's probably going to annoy me just as much as CV did, but he's not a troll because he actually believes it.
Ironically I'd say that's actually worse in this case. It's pretty damn hypocritical and makes all his traits of heroism and shit pretty much only informed ones.
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Arch, what part of "end this here" don't you understand?
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Arch, what part of "end this here" don't you understand?
I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time Magos has been told this, by what I see.
That only means something is going wrong with this.
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Alright I think it's time for me to finally post, I've been getting distracted and I think that it's been long enough, also thanks Daiki for being so patient with Mordred.
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So, considering *everything* that's been learned so far about certain individuals, ah, "pushing powerlevels", how does new PC creation work out around here? Aside from looking at the relevant thread, I mean.
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What do you mean?
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So, considering *everything* that's been learned so far about certain individuals, ah, "pushing powerlevels", how does new PC creation work out around here? Aside from looking at the relevant thread, I mean.
You make a character, post their stats and I approve them. Or I may request changes if stuff is too retarded.
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Well here's the golem's 'stats', since we're approaching a direct clash.
It doesn't have any durability beyond its components, most of which are metal appliances and machinery. Its strength is enough to pick up and effortlessly carry around adult human with one 'arm', and its speed is only slightly above the human average, though it's not limited by human physiology and thus moves in ways a normal person wouldn't be flexible enough to. If you bat a part of its body far enough away from the rest, it'll go flying and be irretrievable.
As for the 'core orb', that's something you'll have to guess.
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Well, let's see if I guess right~ If you want to know what those orbs do before you post again, btw, feel free to ask me. :)
Posting in parts again, mostly because as usual, the bit at the complex is the most complicated part to respond to.
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Alice, it's not like the core's visible. My guy's smart enough to keep it shielded. You'll have to peel off a few layers of sheet metal before you can get a look at it. Of course, you could just sense it's magical energy.
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Ah, oops. ^^" Though generally one would assume the core's towards the middle of the thing anyway, and I generally assumed that she can't really see it yet. ...Still, my bad regardless for wording it badly. ^^" Do you want me to edit at all? It's possible she could still sense it as you mentioned, what with being a magus plus having Ruby equipped, but still, I'll leave that call up to you. :)
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Go ahead and sense it. Caster made the thing to help out my character, not to keep him in stealth mode.
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Oh boy, Neo.
Revealing himself like that to a superhuman fire controlling rider who can literally detect wickedness. Good luck.
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Oh boy, Neo.
Revealing himself like that to a superhuman fire controlling rider who can literally detect wickedness. Good luck.
It would be out of character for Neo to shut up in the face of danger.
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It would be out of character for Neo to shut up in the face of danger.
Of course, I was just providing commentary.
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Oh dear.
The topic of war was brought up around Lycodrake.
as was the word monster
Gird up your loins, sons of Adam, daughters of Eve.
because I'm about to have a lot of fun
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I would really like to know what the heck is wrong with the reply window, since I can't see the options, can't insert quotes, and I also can't close the glow around Gwyllt's sentences.
Can't post me answer like this!
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I'm not sure, it seems to be working fine for me. Do you have a screenshot or something?
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Sounds like the reply window not quite loading. Try refreshing and see if that helps.
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Refreshing does not seem to be helping much sadly.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKSHtDu.png)
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Hmm, bizarre, it works fine for me. Maybe it's a cache issue, try clearing your cache.
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Well that fixed it. Thanks.
*x* Although the glow not working was because I was closing it with [/glow=whatever] instead of just [/glow].
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Yeah, the second part would make sense.
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Lycodrake's curiosity about this new arrival is split between a few things, but if the answer is "yes, I am a bloodthirsty son of a gun", well...Neo might want to run.
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He may be immortal, but I think he's kind of out of his league there versus a wingless dragon and an otherwordly rider of fire.
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He may be immortal, but I think he's kind of out of his league there versus a wingless dragon and an otherwordly rider of fire.
Not that I'm bringing up power levels, of course. 'cause that would be silly.
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Neo running away from people more powerful than him is a sign that the more powerful beings just got trolled and Neo won that one.
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I believe the proper expression is "It is on!".
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'xcuse me, Ivan.
Fel Fire: Gwyllt commands undying green fire that animates his sword and the inside of his armor. These flames cannot be extinguished by any ordinary means, and consume anything they wash over at a much higher rate than regular fire or even plain old magical flames do.
EDIT: Doesn't his "paradoxical" magic resistance mean supernatural effects hurt and affect him but can't kill him? Or does that just mean his immortality itself is magic proof?
Either way, his clothes are probably on fire, if nothing else.
Also, big indignant wingless dragon (Lyco), demigod justice man (Tywin), feel free to jump in.
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Ivan that shit is basically magical White Phosphorus. Rolling on the ground isn't putting it out.
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I'm sorry I disappeared, guys. I got really, really sick after a class trip with limited internet connection - on Wednesday/Tuesday night I checked into the ER, which is actually a really nice place when I was able to appreciate it. I'm on the mend and much better now, though. On antibiotics, which are helping a great deal.
also yolf i hear you wanted someone to jump in allow me to oblige you muwahahaha
E: I... I may have gotten a little carried away in that post there. Also not 100% happy with Wanderer's response, but it works, I suppose.
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Welcome back! Good to hear you're better now.
Also, uh, wow, I might need a bit to write an appropriate response to that.
*c* I almost feel sorry for Gwyllt having to take on a genuine Horseman, but he'll accept the challenge in good stride.
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Welcome back! Good to hear you're better now.
Also, uh, wow, I might need a bit to write an appropriate response to that.
*c* I almost feel sorry for Gwyllt having to take on a genuine Horseman, but he'll accept the challenge in good stride.
Haha, thanks :D
Yes, got a little carried away there >.>
Also, he won't be fighting all out - Wanderer just wants to test Gwylit, to see if he holds up to his convictions and the legends that gave him shape. I saw his dialogue with Neo and was like "Wow I could not ask for a more perfect place to interject myself right now."
I feel whatever happens, it'll be interesting. At the very least, anyone with spiritual sensing abilities or magical abilities at all is going to feel this. War taking his true form is not a quiet event.
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'xcuse me, Ivan.
Fel Fire: Gwyllt commands undying green fire that animates his sword and the inside of his armor. These flames cannot be extinguished by any ordinary means, and consume anything they wash over at a much higher rate than regular fire or even plain old magical flames do.
EDIT: Doesn't his "paradoxical" magic resistance mean supernatural effects hurt and affect him but can't kill him? Or does that just mean his immortality itself is magic proof?
Either way, his clothes are probably on fire, if nothing else.
Also, big indignant wingless dragon (Lyco), demigod justice man (Tywin), feel free to jump in.
That's like saying that if I burned a piece of wood with an acetylene torch and then took torch away, the fire that will consume the wood is the same and as hot as the fire that burned from the torch's muzzle.
Also, he won't be fighting all out - Wanderer just wants to test Gwylit, to see if he holds up to his convictions and the legends that gave him shape. I saw his dialogue with Rattus and was like "Wow I could not ask for a more perfect place to interject myself right now."
Rattus and Gwylit hasn't interacted yet.
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derp I meant Neo sorry Ivan
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That's like saying that if I burned a piece of wood with an acetylene torch and then took torch away, the fire that will consume the wood is the same and as hot as the fire that burned from the torch's muzzle.
You didn't answer the question.
And supernatural fire, physics do not apply.
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You didn't answer the question.
And supernatural fire, physics do not apply.
Can be affected by negative debuffs but can't get killed by them.
And if physics doesn't apply and considering the Krokodil Factory's situation and supposed location, an industrial complex, then the fell fire can spread throughout flammable materials like gasoline, acetylene and oil and, with it being inextinguishable, therefore cause a inextinguishable titanic firestorm in the city. If the factory, however, is located in a residential area, the effects the more devastating and can spread faster. Same result.
Either way, I think Gwylit inadvertently caused widespread destruction, consuming millions of property and potentially taking innocent lives, if physics doesn't apply to fell fire.
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Can be affected by negative debuffs but can't get killed by them.
And if physics doesn't apply and considering the Krokodil Factory's situation and supposed location, an industrial complex, then the fell fire can spread throughout flammable materials like gasoline, acetylene and oil and, with it being inextinguishable, therefore cause a inextinguishable titanic firestorm in the city. If the factory, however, is located in a residential area, the effects the more devastating and can spread faster. Same result.
Either way, I think Gwylit inadvertently caused widespread destruction, consuming millions of property and potentially taking innocent lives, if physics doesn't apply to fell fire.
Yes, okay, that's precisely the same thing that's written on the character sheet. I don't know what you define as "debuffs". Do attacks of a magical or supernatural nature hurt and actually cause him damage, but can't kill him, or can't they, and all they can do is make him weaker if that is one of their effects?
"Physics do not apply" was my response to the particular point you brought up. That is a different one. It's still fire, so it still behaves like fire. Naturally it spreads through flammable materials, even if it doesn't obey all of the restrictions physics should put on it. Now here's the deal. Gwyllt explicitly controls his fel fire as he pleases. Which means he can tell it where to go (as he has demonstrated already by surrounding only the factory) and he can contain it or even extinguish it if he so wishes.
So yeah, the factory and the ones involved with the krokodil are really the only ones endangered here. And as far as Gwyllt is concerned, the place can turn to ashes (and likely will, in a bit).
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And supernatural fire, physics do not apply.
Funny fact, Harry Dresden (Wizard) once fought the idea that magic fire wouldn't act as normal fire does.
While playing DnD.
10 foot perfect spherical explosion fireballs
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Funny fact, Harry Dresden (Wizard) once fought the idea that magic fire wouldn't act as normal fire does.
While playing DnD.
10 foot perfect spherical explosion fireballs
I guess that sounds like Harry. 8P
Also sounds like a comment he'd leave in the TRPG book.
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Yes, okay, that's precisely the same thing that's written on the character sheet. I don't know what you define as "debuffs". Do attacks of a magical or supernatural nature hurt and actually cause him damage, but can't kill him, or can't they, and all they can do is make him weaker if that is one of their effects?
"Physics do not apply" was my response to the particular point you brought up. That is a different one. It's still fire, so it still behaves like fire. Naturally it spreads through flammable materials, even if it doesn't obey all of the restrictions physics should put on it. Now here's the deal. Gwyllt explicitly controls his fel fire as he pleases. Which means he can tell it where to go (as he has demonstrated already by surrounding only the factory) and he can contain it or even extinguish it if he so wishes.
So yeah, the factory and the ones involved with the krokodil are really the only ones endangered here. And as far as Gwyllt is concerned, the place can turn to ashes (and likely will, in a bit).
If all the magic does is to make them stunned, hypnotized, confused, etc. It will affect them. If it kills them, it won't.
And if Gwylit has such power, he can then, theoretically, make a flying and inextinguishable ball of fell fire that can incinerate anything or anyone as he pleases it and never get negative effects on it.
I am skeptical on this and I think it is overpowered.
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Key word in the description of that power of his: "ordinary".
His fire can't be extinguished by ordinary means, but magic resistance defends against it, and magic/magecraft (water aligned or otherwise) or other supernatural powers that are stronger can extinguish it. And compared to similar things, his fel fire is mid/high level as far as supernatural mystery is concerned, so most characters in the RP could defend against it in some way.
And since Neo's magic resistance works like that, I argue for the fact that his clothes should be on fire. Can't be killed by them, but his magic resistance doesn't dissipate offensive effects, does it?
Also, Gwyllt is really not that overpowered. I wrote his physical stats in as mostly Cs, which means he's a step above mortals and average supernaturals beings in the scale I've been using for my character sheets (E - regular human, D - top human/inhuman, C and above - various degrees of superhuman), but compared to knight class Servants, beings like Wanderer, and stronger mages, he's lackluster unless he pulls out all the stops. Which, might I add, is what leaves him most vulnerable.
One more thing. I think we're losing ourselves a little in the argument, but I'm not insisting because I want Gwyllt to kill Neo just like that. Their discussion has been escalating, and Neo has been stepping on Gwyllt's toes, and now the rider's had enough with talking.
So Neo going "lol nope just gonna roll on the ground to put it out and continue TALKING bitch" seems really anti-climactic to me. Also felt kinda bland the way you wrote it. Same with dodging the sword swing earlier.
Like, just "I dodge", "I put out the fire". Maybe it's just me, but those felt cheap to read because it was like you were waving off what happened just so Neo could continue speaking his justice. I get it that Neo is pretty fearless, but does he really feel nothing at a demonic rider attacking him twice with intent to kill?
I didn't say anything the first time, cause, okay, he dodged the sword swing, that seems reasonable given his experience. Now it's like you're killing the narrative tension to keep the story where you want it.
If I'm misunderstanding anything do correct me, but I'm only trying to be honest with what I see here.
I might be going overboard with saying all this, but I felt like I needed to say it. Mind you, I have no issue resuming my next post with Gwyllt moving to attack as Neo talks but stopping because Wanderer arrived.
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Key word in the description of that power of his: "ordinary".
His fire can't be extinguished by ordinary means, but magic resistance defends against it, and magic/magecraft (water aligned or otherwise) or other supernatural powers that are stronger can extinguish it. And compared to similar things, his fel fire is mid/high level as far as supernatural mystery is concerned, so most characters in the RP could defend against it in some way.
And since Neo's magic resistance works like that, I argue for the fact that his clothes should be on fire. Can't be killed by them, but his magic resistance doesn't dissipate offensive effects, does it?
If water-aligned magecraft can extinguish the fell fire, how is that different from plain water?
Also, Gwyllt is really not that overpowered. I wrote his physical stats in as mostly Cs, which means he's a step above mortals and average supernaturals beings in the scale I've been using for my character sheets (E - regular human, D - top human/inhuman, C and above - various degrees of superhuman), but compared to knight class Servants, beings like Wanderer, and stronger mages, he's lackluster unless he pulls out all the stops. Which, might I add, is what leaves him most vulnerable.
We are not talking about stats here in general, we are talking about what Gwylit is capable of doing with his fires.
One more thing. I think we're losing ourselves a little in the argument, but I'm not insisting because I want Gwyllt to kill Neo just like that. Their discussion has been escalating, and Neo has been stepping on Gwyllt's toes, and now the rider's had enough with talking.
So Neo going "lol nope just gonna roll on the ground to put it out and continue TALKING bitch" seems really anti-climactic to me. Also felt kinda bland the way you wrote it. Same with dodging the sword swing earlier.
Like, just "I dodge", "I put out the fire". Maybe it's just me, but those felt cheap to read because it was like you were waving off what happened just so Neo could continue speaking his justice. I get it that Neo is pretty fearless, but does he really feel nothing at a demonic rider attacking him twice with intent to kill?
I didn't say anything the first time, cause, okay, he dodged the sword swing, that seems reasonable given his experience. Now it's like you're killing the narrative tension to keep the story where you want it.
If I'm misunderstanding anything do correct me, but I'm only trying to be honest with what I see here.
The thing is I'm not really a writer who wants flowery prose from a third-person perspective and I do a lot of dialogue because I think it shows more of my character's personalities and I do capitalize on those rather on their abilities, magic or whatsoever. And as for Neo being like that, please consider reading his personality profile, moreso his whole backstory.
I might be going overboard with saying all this, but I felt like I needed to say it. Mind you, I have no issue resuming my next post with Gwyllt moving to attack as Neo talks but stopping because Wanderer arrived.
That's okay.
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Key word in the description of that power of his: "ordinary".
His fire can't be extinguished by ordinary means, but magic resistance defends against it, and magic/magecraft (water aligned or otherwise) or other supernatural powers that are stronger can extinguish it. And compared to similar things, his fel fire is mid/high level as far as supernatural mystery is concerned, so most characters in the RP could defend against it in some way.
And since Neo's magic resistance works like that, I argue for the fact that his clothes should be on fire. Can't be killed by them, but his magic resistance doesn't dissipate offensive effects, does it?
If water-aligned magecraft can extinguish the fell fire, how is that different from plain water?
The same way as a magical sword can harm Rider but a mundane sword cannot. Magical spells cannot generally be stopped by mundane means, you need something with higher "mystery".
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If water-aligned magecraft can extinguish the fell fire, how is that different from plain water?
Because it's explicitely magic and not ordinary water? :/
Basically what Cherry said.
The thing is I'm not really a writer who wants flowery prose from a third-person perspective and I do a lot of dialogue because I think it shows more of my character's personalities and I do capitalize on those rather on their abilities, magic or whatsoever. And as for Neo being like that, please consider reading his personality profile, moreso his whole backstory.
Alright, alright, I was only pointing it out because to me it felt like a bit of an artificial cop out so you could hold the narrative at a position that you'd rather write. Not that I don't understand, but it bugged me.
And I'll have you know I did read his backstory back when you first linked it on the old Kaleidoscopic Spiral RP. Don't really remember it anymore, but what I got from it was: Neo is a terrible person, with a worse mouth, an even more dreadful attitude towards others and life in general, and is only allied to Rattus and Yukina because it's convenient.
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And I'll have you know I did read his backstory back when you first linked it on the old Kaleidoscopic Spiral RP. Don't really remember it anymore, but what I got from it was: Neo is a terrible person, with a worse mouth, an even more dreadful attitude towards others and life in general, and is only allied to Rattus and Yukina because it's convenient.
He's a terrible person because he's morally maladjusted right from the start and isn't generally willing to follow conventional morality, unless he feels comfortable with it. In other words, he doesn't and he's unwilling to understand our morality and we won't understand his morality either.
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Not following conventional morality doesn't make you a bad person. Being a murdering jackass who doesn't care about anyone but himself, on the other hand, very definitely does.
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Wingless dragon is overwhelmed and is tired of Neo's shit. It's difficult being a dragon who believes that the only "good" reason for war is to protect. Don't mistake that as pacifism though.
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preemptive protection
he is going to protect the shit out of you
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preemptive protection
he is going to protect the shit out of you
yes, yes indeedy :333
you have such a way with words, Nachos
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the poet the world deserves
just not the one it needs
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Wanderer's just saying war exists, deal with it. He isn't saying if it's wrong or not - well, he sort of is, but eh.
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"Give war a chance!"
-Sundowner
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nachos literary genius, 30 gay piano scenes out of ten
But in all seriousness this scene is going to be fun :D
Need to sit down soon and write it out.
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Not following conventional morality doesn't make you a bad person. Being a murdering jackass who doesn't care about anyone but himself, on the other hand, very definitely does.
That's why I said he's unwilling to follow it. He doesn't want to acknowledge murder is evil and he generally doesn't want to care about other people (although he did so a few times in his backstory). So he's a rampaging jackass.
Wingless dragon is overwhelmed and is tired of Neo's shit. It's difficult being a dragon who believes that the only "good" reason for war is to protect. Don't mistake that as pacifism though.
Neo's belief system about war is "enjoy it or it becomes hell".
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Tryin' to do the cop out thing again, Ivan. Lyco might not let Neo escape like that, but we'll see.
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Tryin' to do the cop out thing again, Ivan. Lyco might not let Neo escape like that, but we'll see.
I don't think it was a cop out, I just think you're legitimately finding a chance to burn Neo because emotional reactions. It's just the start, you know?
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Nay, I just called it a cop out because in the time it takes Neo to speak, walk to his car, and start the engine, it's entirely possible for Lycodrake or someone else to stop him. Instead of declaring only the beggining of the action and the intent, you wrote all of it as though you were assuming Neo can go ahead and leave scot-free.
I think your post makes for poor reading if then someone who is able to decides to interrupt him instead.
B'sides, Gwyllt's fire can't hurt Neo, we've established this. 8P
Sure he's not very inclined to keep talking, but maybe he will be after he unloads some tension with Wanderer. Or maybe he won't give Neo a chance to talk and try to cut him into ribbons again, since the discussion with Neo made Gwyllt go from "I don't like this guy" to "This guy is despicable and wicked and he needs to die now".
Anyways, Neo engaged Gwyllt to begin with, and it was his arguments and personality that led to the latter escalating to violence, so he can't be expected to run away from the narrative consequences of his choices just like that.
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Well, if Neo really wants a chase seen involving a mini-kaiju sized wingless dragon out to demolish his car, who am I to deprive him of that?
But I have to agree with YOLF - you kinda left no room for us to respond to Neo's actions until he had already left the scene. ^^;
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Okay. Edited the last sentence to allow reaction.
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Better. Appreciated.
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Waiting on Bloble with the golem before I post with Ryoko, since I need to see how it takes the orbs.
As for the stuff inside the complex.... I'll hopefully get to it soon-ish. ...Hopefully. Maybe.
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Lyco and Neo aren't ever going to get along.
not sure what do
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Kill or be killed.
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Kill or be killed.
Well yes, that is an option, but that sort of interaction between two PCs is terrible. I want to avoid outright killing PCs if at all possible, thank you.
Also welcome, Leo.
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Alright! Thank you Bloble, my good man! And with that, barely adequate outdoor post!
...Please come back to us, Bloble. :(
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I am merely in hibernation until the dreaded exam period passes.
Oh, and the phone's not just playing a song. It's ringing.
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Gotcha~ :3 Good luck with your tests! :D
And... D: Freaky.
I might have to edit my post to account for said ringing though. Which isn't so bad, I think it'd be just three to four words difference.
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Lantz... why is Rin referencing Dr. Who?
Especially when it's not really a big thing in Japan. She'd be more likely to know about Mr. Big.
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And even then, even though Rin's been over in Britain, I don't imagine she's watched much TV. Rin's a technophobe. Even though we see her watching TV a few times, I imagine it'd be infrequent, due to her prioritizing magecraft. Plus I highly doubt she'd be the one to make reference jokes to things. Hell, even Shirou I don't imagine making reference jokes to things. It doesn't make sense for her character to do so, nor has she made any such joke in canon.
Plus as Magos mentioned, even though she goes over to England, assuming she does make references to things, she's more likely to know Japanese cultural references. It's her homeland, after all.
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It's not that important, though, I think. It's possible that she saw some of it somewhere >.>
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Yeah let's not make a storm in a glass of water over something like that.
More importantly, epic horseman fight.
Also, AYAKASHIIIIII, WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUU?
I might just move on with Uchiten soon. He's got villainous things to do.
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It's not that important, though, I think. It's possible that she saw some of it somewhere >.>
Or perhaps, second-hand reference, as in referencing someone who referenced it once. Like if you saw Family Guy refer to Star Trek then make a reference solely on that.
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More importantly, epic horseman fight
i'm comin
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No Alice, she's canonically culturally inept when it comes to Japanese pop culture. Look it up, she's referencing Doctor Who because of the difference between Japan and the west regarding Christmas, Rin wound up watching the Christmas special because of the previous and then mentioned it to co workers who lent her the series.
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*blink*
Okay, the co-workers part made me wonder. Who among Rin's "co-workers" other than maybe Waver, would watch or even own Doctor Who?
Just legitimately curious. I don't think magi in general are much of that sort.
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*blink*
Okay, the co-workers part made me wonder. Who among Rin's "co-workers" other than maybe Waver, would watch or even own Doctor Who?
Just legitimately curious. I don't think magi in general are much of that sort.
Exactly, why would she go after Dr. Who for that matter, and not Python, or Top Gear?
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Different Co workers YOLF, short version, Rin damaged things and had to pay for them, got a job.
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Different Co workers YOLF, short version, Rin damaged things and had to pay for them, got a job.
Okaaaaaayyy? I mean, I can't really say much more without knowing the circumstances, so sure.
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...Except that wouldn't really account for it lantz. There's a difference between hearing people talk about it and being able to reference specific details like that and know what they mean. I've had my friends make references to things, for instance, but that doesn't mean I use them myself unless I actually understand what the hell it's referring to.
So not much of a justification there, really.
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It's... not really important, so let's just forget about it.
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Yeah, true. I doubt anyone heard her say it anyway. Plus the only one who really has to bother with her right now is D. Archer anyway.
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Alice if you payed attention I,explained that she watched it, not heard about it.
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Which is something that's in contention by itself. Rin's a technophobe. While she does watch TV occasionally I think, it's not at her own place and she doesn't have a TV of her own if I remember right. Plus she doesn't strike me as someone who's too concerned with pop culture stuff, especially something like Dr. Who that's main fanbase is in England.
It's not that having a character making references is bad and that it should be never done ever, it's that it has to make sense for that person's character, and when that sort of character starts making a bunch of references out of nowhere outside of comedy or parody, it's both OOC and a bit irritating. For Rin, it doesn't make sense for her character to just be dropping references like that, and that's the main issue.
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London England, where the mage association is, where she works, so yeah.
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London England, where the mage association is, where she works, so yeah.
Are you seriously implying that Rin would even bother owning a TV?
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Would she buy one? No, own one? Yes, especially when the place wasn't furnished by her.
Rin is miss perfect, she watched the series after it was given to her to keep up the image.
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Guys, come on. It's just a Doctor Who reference, there's no need to get bent out of shape over it >.>
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More the issue is that lantz has a tendency to really write Rin OOC, and this is one instance of it. That's why it tends to be more of a sticking point than it should be.
You're right though, we should probably stop here. There's been more than enough drama for one day.
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That's your opinion Alice, fact is she's older.
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Lantz, while I shouldn'tve added that one last comment, stop means stop. Do it again, and you're getting another warning.
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It's literally not important anyway
Lantz stop replying when people say this and then move on, you literally just fan the flames
just a tip
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Rin should be making Kamen Rider references out the wazoo, if only because of Shirou. :V
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On that point, there's no evidence that he watches that in canon, a good chance yeah but the hero of justice bit is common to many transforming hero shows, not just KR.
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He's just joking, lantz.
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Double post! Not really on purpose though!
Alright, finally posted in the complex! The post is kinda a mess, but that's because I had a mess to deal with while posting it. ^^" Still, hopefully it's still serviceable. But yup, that frees up Daiki and Elf completely posting-wise~
(...please come back to us Daiki ;_;)
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I was being needlessly informational just because I thought it was a neat point to bring up, I already knew Lyco was joking.
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Er, lantz, you do realize it's Connor you control, not Lancer, don't you?
Also, like with Tom being called out as a mewtwo by Toshi, I don't know if D. Archer really appreciates being called by his real name out loud like that. ...Nor do I really see why Rin would do that IC.
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Er, lantz, you do realize it's Connor you control, not Lancer, don't you?
Also, like with Tom being called out as a mewtwo by Toshi, I don't know if D. Archer really appreciates being called by his real name out loud like that. ...Nor do I really see why Rin would do that IC.
All of these are excellent points.
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I believe I'm waiting on Daiki as well, honestly I feel kinda bad about taking so long to post anything in the first place.
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Connor is telling a story and hasn't named names. Tom was very obviously Mewtwo at that point and to my recollection Satoshi wasn't told his name before, even if he was Tom keeps insulting him, so turn about fair and all that.
As for Rin, she's married to him, and she doesn't use it often, she's emphasizing the need for seriousness.
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Lantz, if Connor is replaced by 'Lancer' by your autocorrect, there's a problem.
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It learns by association, common phrases become word strings, likely what happened is that a typo caused the glitch
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...that's not how autocorrect works, lantz. That kinda comes off as a lie. And I didn't say anything about Connor other than you placed the word "Lancer" in the place of his name. How the hell did you get any of what you said from that?
And lantz, he freed the guy that nearly made it so he got skewered, plus was obviously trying to freaking kill everyone including Forest, blatantly ignored his warning about said fae, and then proceeded to give a bs excuse for not hearing him. Tom has the right to be kinda angry here, Toshi has no right to be an asshole. It's just more proof that Satoshi is a huge jerk, contrary to what he and his entourage keep claiming. Plus people have said Tom's freaking name. The only excuse Toshi has is, again, being the jerk that he is.
And lantz... She's married to a different Archer, not this particular one. She doesn't have the right because he's not the same one. Plus he's dating a different Rin than her. So again, she's kinda going over her bounds here.
It also makes you a hypocrite, since if you believe what you're saying, that means "Sakura" was just being a straight up bitch when she was treating the other Rin and Archer not like her parents, and then you go and be a hypocrite yet again when their teasing admittedly goes a touch too far (albeit because "Sakura" was again, being a complete bitch to pretty much everyone, Forest included) by calling it "disowning."
Quite frankly, I think some sort of action should be taken towards your RPing in this game. It's been consistently disrespectful and making this RP a chore for the majority of people to play at times, including myself. Plus the Lancer thing is suspicious. No autocorrect should do that, even if malfunctioning.
As usual, it's up to Elf. But I honestly think this is getting to the point where enough is enough.
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I am not a liar, as usual you are making shit up Alice.
you fail in Tom's side of the warning, all forest said was keep him off the ground, if Satoshi had known he had super healing he never would have moved him.
as for the marriage that wasn't my point.
they disowned Sakura and that's on you Alice, for once stop pissing at me. I'm getting sick of it. I don't go around shitting on you all the fucking time when your characters aren't acting the way I think they should. Seriously leave me the fuck alone.
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Everyone stop right here
Lantz stop fanning the flames, just don't reply unless Elf says it's a problem. You're just burning yourself.
Rae stop trying to call out Lantz on him making mistakes, leave that to Elf. You can point them out but that's all you should ever do. Don't reply any further.
every second Lantz post jesus christ
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you fail in Tom's side of the warning, all forest said was keep him off the ground, if Satoshi had known he had super healing he never would have moved him.
...Satoshi healed him.
I don't care, what the fuck you think about this shit in your deluded egomaniacal mind, but there is no situation where you would have wanted to heal him. None. At all. And if forest says, 'Keep him off the ground and they've pinned him to a fucking wall, the smart idea is NOT TO PULL THE FUCKING SWORDS OUT OF THE GUY.
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Come on Magos, I'm not happy about what he said either, but let's please just drop it like Nachos wants us to do. What to do about lantz's most recent post will be discussed, so until we come to a verdict, please don't fan the flames.
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What's Brianna doing lately?
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What's Brianna doing lately?
Being worried sick about Jack. Sunrise isn't too far off and he hasn't shown up yet.
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I think maybe Lantz subconsciously typoed, "Lancer" instead of "Connor" because Lancer's his dad. I'm giving Lantz the benefit of the doubt. Or maybe he meant "the Lancer" because Connor uses a lance too.
No need to get all bitchy and what not up in here, I promise.
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My device associates words, like so,
Swords and sorcery (I've used the title a ton so I didn't even have to type in anything past S)
as for auto correct fucking up yes, it does, Digimon, is corrected to Sugimoto, not my fault tech is a bitch.
as for this current issue it has to do with the touch pad, I figured this out with testing, as well as a few common mistakes like commas in odd places, when I side my fingers keys will randomly fail to register or register in random spots.
Turns out that the likely thing that happened was the Lan, didn't register and when I hit C it auto completed the word Connor.
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Except that explanation doesn't work Lantz. Because you put in LANCER and then edited it later to Connor. So it wouldn't have autocorrected to Connor because you didn't type in connor originally.
tl;dr You're full of shit.
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Arch, stop trying to stir up shit. I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Lantz intentionally made that typo, there is literally no reason whatsoever why he would do so.
Lantz obviously doesn't know what happened, if he did then he wouldn't have made the typo in the first place. He was just conjecturing, and evidentially got the two the wrong way around.
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It's as Mike says, a point of conjecture using an example of what happened during my testing, not what happened as I don't know what happened. All I know is Connor and Lancer are associated words. Hell for the first six months it translated Rin into run all the time and when I type Ri one of the suggestions is the word time. Weird tech stuff just happens.
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Well, I've had this idea for a while now. One of the reasons that I held back should be pretty obvious - I was worried about the OP, and, well, you don't get much more OP then this. Another was that I would become an antagonist, and I didn't want there to be some sort of central antagonist, as he is in canon. But, well, after Bloble and Milbunk did their thing, and after thinking things through, I decided to go ahead. Anyways, I'm afraid Lancelot and Kariya won't be making an appearance; no, instead you'll get something better. More powerful. More arrogant. More obsessive. More prideful. More... golden.
(http://i.imgur.com/fyWZpzK.jpg)
Mongrels.
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Oh. Oh YES.
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Goldy!
BITCHES AND WHORES WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
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Either I'll run DIO himself, or my AU!JoJo from Russia.
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I'd like to sign up for this. I'll be running PARIAH from the Prototype games.
Edit: Posted the sheet. I would appreciate some feedback.
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Hmm, is Rider up next in the RP? I've kind-of lost track....
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Hmm, is Rider up next in the RP? I've kind-of lost track....
I believe so.
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I was going to work on my new CS some more, but then this happened:
(http://i.imgur.com/q6uTS7G.jpg)
I… I might be delayed. Just a little bit.
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Josip Josipowicz "JoJo" Starski & PARIAH have been approved!
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Mr. Aptera is kinda tired of Neo's shit. :V
Lyco could've walked away, but...accursed draconic pride doesn't allow him too when confronted with insults that hurt.
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Well, I did my first post. I hope it isn't moving too quickly or anything.
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Hmm I'm in a bit of a bind now it looks like, if Downy most of the things he would do it would probably be involving the whole castle and such and that is not a good idea currently.
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Hm...well, this is a predicament. Lyco knows the effects of Middle Eastern hallucinogens because of his djinn companion Marie, but dealing with Marijuana is a different story.
Hm...
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Hm...well, this is a predicament. Lyco knows the effects of Middle Eastern hallucinogens because of his djinn companion Marie, but dealing with Marijuana is a different story.
Hm...
He'd probably just get really relaxed and get the munchies.
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Hm...well, this is a predicament. Lyco knows the effects of Middle Eastern hallucinogens because of his djinn companion Marie, but dealing with Marijuana is a different story.
Hm...
He'd probably just get really relaxed and get the munchies.
Also, based on a first-hand account from someone who I don't want to reveal who, it's like every step you take makes you feel like falling down.
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Why did I depict Neo as a Technpriest Skaven?
Milbunk, dismiss everyone so you can have them explore Nexus.
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Hmm I think I have a plan in mind I'll write it out a little later today but yeah I'll give you some freedom, you'll prolly be tagging along with someone as well since I don't think Downy would 100% right now but you can take the reign on where you wish to go essentially while he locates a base of operations.
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Hmm, what is Medea going to do now that the people at the compound have shown that they're stronger than she'd expected...?
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Well her plan was to just scout and create a distraction so at the moment nothing is quite out of her expectations. She's gonna stay quiet for the moment, prolly do something with Bloble's character once he's ready.
Oh and Daiki, consider this as a way to make up from before, but did you have a preference as to who Mordred's gonna go exploring with? Or would you rather I choose?
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I am going to postpone participation here until my conference ends. Not sure if I'l have internet.
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Considered joining in for a while, and with Moony making his move, I feel it is my time.
(http://i.imgur.com/c7hQhyn.png?1)
"An inexhaustible greed that takes and takes. Even with so much wealth, still you desire new treasures? …well, I do understand the feeling. In any case, my head is not worth even one penny. For you, even if you obtained my armor it wouldn’t be enough, but you’ll have to give up on that one, at least. That said, this spear is necessary in our to fulfill my promise with you. Which means that all that’s left is this head. Go ahead and take it. — provided, of course, that you can."
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Does the City have any police force?
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It does, but I don't think it's particularly effective by default, especially against supernatural beings.
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Considering the fact that PARIAH just slaughtered a family in their home and hasn't left the building... He's going to cause a bit of commotion.
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In the RP itself at least, several posts (one of which I made) have alluded to the fact that the regular Police force usually ignores supernatural matters as much as the general populace does if they are able to.
In the way that they investigate such incidents, make vague statements about it, and most of the time shut things off with an excuse because either they're being told to, or they really can't do much against whatever the real cause is and it's best for everyone to ignore it.
Of course, the super cops are of a different persuasion entirely, but they've been absent from the RP for a while.
Also, Deacon Frost has the mayor cowered under his finger, so that's relevant.
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Well, I think that the population in general is well aware of the supernatural elements in the city, but knows that the police are just as powerless to do anything about it as everyone else is, so they don't expect much. I doubt the police give excuses so much as they just go "well, yeah, he was eaten by a werewolf, what the fuck do you expect us to do about it?"
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Problem is unlike some of the characters PARIAH gives zero fucks about trying to keep himself hidden. He'd probably just walk down the streets in the middle of the day consuming everything in sight.
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Yeah, in this world, no-one tries to keep theirselves hidden. Werewolves, Vampires etc. just roam the streets freely.
Of course, roaming around like that is very quickly going to bring him to the attention of people like Forest....
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But even then, people freak out over a warg-sized dragon.
I sense a prejudice regarding the supernatural, as though werewolves and vampires are "normal". :V
=P
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My character is prejudiced about vampires, but since Stone Mask vampires of JJBA verse are either near mindless cannibalistic monsters or trollish sickfucks, that's normal reaction.
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I believe that I have successfully created an event that requires an intervention.
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Scratch, that I simply took my home modem with my mother's permission. My sister is so butthurt. So I can RP, yay.
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
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Oh and Daiki, consider this as a way to make up from before, but did you have a preference as to who Mordred's gonna go exploring with? Or would you rather I choose?
Roll 1D3.
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
That armor is probably one the the worst things to deal with.
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By the way Daiki you'll probably get my reply later today.
Jack is very amused.
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And posted myself.
Daiki, feel free to go crazy I'll leave you're next actions up completely to you. Imnity is pretty much following Mordred at this point after they returned the normal world so you can name your place and what you want to do.
Also Alice and Kaiza, I believe time is beginning to run short for you two since Mudou and Shezar will be locating Imnity fairly soon you'll have to act quickly unless you want to get caught up in another fight.
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
If we're about to get shrektacular full Gil I don't see the issue ^^
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Oh, not a complaint, only an observation. 8P
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
If we're about to get shrektacular full Gil I don't see the issue ^^
Well, not every other character is that strong, though, and Gil can at least be defeated by the various incarnations of Archer and Shirou.
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
If we're about to get shrektacular full Gil I don't see the issue ^^
Well, not every other character is that strong, though, and Gil can at least be defeated by the various incarnations of Archer and Shirou.
Meanwhile Satoshi.
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Well, not every other character is that strong, though, and Gil can at least be defeated by the various incarnations of Archer and Shirou.
If Gilgamesh fought seriously, he'd be near-unbeatable in equal terms of engagement. Archer and Shirou could try all they want, but defeating him by themselves would be impossible.
The thing is just that Gilgamesh seldom fights seriously. And he underestimates his opponents. Not to mention having bouts of arrogance that make him do stupid things.
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Gilgamesh
I am summoned.
If Gilgamesh fought seriously, he'd be near-unbeatable in equal terms of engagement. Archer and Shirou could try all they want, but defeating him by themselves would be impossible.
The thing is just that Gilgamesh seldom fights seriously. And he underestimates his opponents. Not to mention having bouts of arrogance that make him do stupid things.
Yeah, this is what will "keep him in check", so to speak. This is going to be fully incarnated Gil, tho'. I won't lie about that.
Somehting that interests me about playing as Gilgamesh is the clash of ideologies that occur. Gil's path and Karna's path are very different, so I'd like to see them argue, or something along those lines. Stuff like that. The combat and other skills are a pretty great bonus.
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Gilgamesh
I am summoned.
If Gilgamesh fought seriously, he'd be near-unbeatable in equal terms of engagement. Archer and Shirou could try all they want, but defeating him by themselves would be impossible.
The thing is just that Gilgamesh seldom fights seriously. And he underestimates his opponents. Not to mention having bouts of arrogance that make him do stupid things.
Yeah, this is what will "keep him in check", so to speak. This is going to be fully incarnated Gil, tho'. I won't lie about that.
Somehting that interests me about playing as Gilgamesh is the clash of ideologies that occur. Gil's path and Karna's path are very different, so I'd like to see them argue, or something along those lines. Stuff like that. The combat and other skills are a pretty great bonus.
Going by CCC, Gil has a lot of respect for Karna, and the same can be said the other way around.
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Seeing Karna and Gil come into conflict (on any level) should prove very interesting indeed.
I feel like Karna might also be one of the few enemies Gilgamesh would ever take somewhat seriously from the start. Again, this goes for any angle of confrontation.
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Enkidu... It would make any conflict very anticlimactic.
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Seeing Karna and Gil come into conflict (on any level) should prove very interesting indeed.
I feel like Karna might also be one of the few enemies Gilgamesh would ever take somewhat seriously from the start. Again, this goes for any angle of confrontation.
While I'd agree on the serious part, that just means Enkidu is gonna tie him up worse than Sakura in Mike's old torture porn lemons.
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Just to clarify, this is, much like Brahmastra's Karna, a combination of Gilgamesh from the Epic and Gilgamesh from Nasu. Because seriously, the Epic of Gilgamesh is awesome.
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Hmm, what is Medea going to do now that the people at the compound have shown that they're stronger than she'd expected...?
They have shown no such thing. Everything that occurred at the compound and the castle falls well within expectations.
Also, you've thwarted me simply by not answering the phone. To think that would be my defeat...
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Literally at the point where trying to nerf Gilgamesh is like trying to lift a mountain. The Epic crushes me every time I try to say "well, that sounds a little too much" - and then a recheck confirms it happened. I don't even.
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Congratulations, PARIAH. You get to fight a joke character.
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This will truly be a battle for the ages Bloble.
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Whelp, fully incarnate Karna is strong, as expected.
That armor is probably one the the worst things to deal with.
Inb4 facetanking Enuma Elish
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Just to clarify, this is, much like Brahmastra's Karna, a combination of Gilgamesh from the Epic and Gilgamesh from Nasu. Because seriously, the Epic of Gilgamesh is awesome.
Well, get his sheet up!
Also, be sure to add, he's the "CEO" of Golden Rule; Nexus's version of Wayne Corp.
Also Karna has been approved, but I'm watching for any OP Shenanigans. *Waggles finger*
Inb4 facetanking Enuma Elish
Gabriel can take an Excaliblast to the face and just smile. Then again, he nullifies magic.
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Just gonna throw it out there before he actually has dialogue that Karna may come off as knowing a bit more than he's told about people, to the point where it may come of as somewhat metagamey to some people. This is the effect of writing in Discernment of the Poor, which allows him to read and understand people's true natures, including the parts of one's character that go unspoken. Just giving a fair warning ^^
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Well, that's fine, but you can't start assuming things about people's characters based on your own opinion of them. You can use your own moral judgement (or, rather, Karna's) to interpret things, yes, but you can't (for example) say that a character has an evil side deep down if the person playing them says they don't.
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Well, that's fine, but you can't start assuming things about people's characters based on your own opinion of them. You can use your own moral judgement (or, rather, Karna's) to interpret things, yes, but you can't (for example) say that a character has an evil side deep down if the person playing them says they don't.
The ability, as per both nasu!canon and the mythical equivalent, is the ability to flawlessly perceive the personality and value of someone, even the deepest and darkest corners of their minds. I guess I should take it up with the actual RP moderator instead of with you.
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Probably the best way around it is to consult the actual player when using the ability so you know how to have Karna react. There are... a few special exceptions to this where this might not quite work (I won't say the name, please don't bring it up any further than this, etc), but for the majority of the players, I think that'd work.
As you said yourself though, it may not hurt to talk to Elf as the GM about this too, see what she has to say. An extra bit of caution every once in awhile never hurts, after all.
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Probably the best way around it is to consult the actual player when using the ability so you know how to have Karna react. There are... a few special exceptions to this where this might not quite work (I won't say the name, please don't bring it up any further than this, etc), but for the majority of the players, I think that'd work.
Holy shit can you actually read minds, this was pretty much what I thought about.
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Well, that's fine, but you can't start assuming things about people's characters based on your own opinion of them. You can use your own moral judgement (or, rather, Karna's) to interpret things, yes, but you can't (for example) say that a character has an evil side deep down if the person playing them says they don't.
The ability, as per both nasu!canon and the mythical equivalent, is the ability to flawlessly perceive the personality and value of someone, even the deepest and darkest corners of their minds. I guess I should take it up with the actual RP moderator instead of with you.
The player is the one who decides what personality their character has, not the GM. You don't decide what is in the "deepest and darkest corners" of my character's mind.
Probably the best way around it is to consult the actual player when using the ability so you know how to have Karna react. There are... a few special exceptions to this where this might not quite work (I won't say the name, please don't bring it up any further than this, etc), but for the majority of the players, I think that'd work.
As you said yourself though, it may not hurt to talk to Elf as the GM about this too, see what she has to say. An extra bit of caution every once in awhile never hurts, after all.
Well, even in that case, whilst it is fine to interpret a character's actions and intentions differently from the player's intentions, you can't decree that a character has darkness in their mind when their player says they do not. You can interpret a character's actions and thoughts as evil against the player's own beliefs, but you cannot say what their thoughts or true intentions are.
Talking to the GM might make sense, but ultimately a player decides how their character thinks, even if that is not in line with your interpretation of their character.
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Well, that's fine, but you can't start assuming things about people's characters based on your own opinion of them. You can use your own moral judgement (or, rather, Karna's) to interpret things, yes, but you can't (for example) say that a character has an evil side deep down if the person playing them says they don't.
The ability, as per both nasu!canon and the mythical equivalent, is the ability to flawlessly perceive the personality and value of someone, even the deepest and darkest corners of their minds. I guess I should take it up with the actual RP moderator instead of with you.
The player is the one who decides what personality their character has, not the GM. You don't decide what is in the "deepest and darkest corners" of my character's mind.
Who the hell said I'd decide what's in it. As Alice said, I'd consult players when I put it into use.
Mike please put yourself on ice because you need to cool down.
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Holy shit can you actually read minds, this was pretty much what I thought about.
I've been found out! Er, I mean, no, not at all~
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I'm sorry, he was just too Gilgamesh to be denied. (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14306.html#msg14306)
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Moony that profile is a work of art.
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Brah that fight was intense. We should do that again sometime. However I think that PARIAH will have to be more subtle now. Getting your arm ripped of and a dagger shoved into your head wasn't the healthiest experience.
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The forecasts predicts mountain dropping, gales strong enough to lift armies and the risk of suddenly drying-out lakes and oceans. We recommend staying inside this week. Next up on Sports!
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These cattle
are may be Elf's. I will edit if she doesn't want me to be eating them.
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Oh god Dr. McNinja. Of course he's in Nexus City.
Bloble, you are a fantastic person for knowing and referencing Dr. McNinja.
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These cattle are may be Elf's. I will edit if she doesn't want me to be eating them.
It's fine. Players are free to create and control NPCs as they wish (and can even control NPCs created by other players, within reason), and certainly those cows don't belong to any PCs.
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Oh god Dr. McNinja. Of course he's in Nexus City.
Bloble, you are a fantastic person for knowing and referencing Dr. McNinja.
But of course! Axe Cop and Dr. McNinja are canonically bros. I might even bring in the latter at some point.
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I will too hipster and use this guy as my second character, I think.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140404070700/jjba/images/8/80/Baoh_volume_2.jpg (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140404070700/jjba/images/8/80/Baoh_volume_2.jpg)
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King Pika has been approved!
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Probably will get tangled in whatever plotline Daiki is involved once he posts.
Elf, what's rules on vampires here, generally? Is there some consensus on the matter?
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Elf, what's rules on vampires here, generally? Is there some consensus on the matter?
What do you mean?
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That's why I'm asking Elf, I know she's into them more than many people.
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I don't think there is any specific requirement on how Vampires work here. The NPC vampires produced by Elf that are native to the Nexus all follow her own rules (which are the ones from Forest's universe), but any character you bring in can follow whatever rules you like.
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Pretty much. We have Buffy-verse style vampires and WoD style vampires running around in the Nexus at the same time, for instance. So pretty much, so long as Elf is cool with it, you can bring in any type of vamp you want. :3
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I wonder how her vampires works too. Looking forward to an explanation :)
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Reading Forest's profile will give you some idea, and you can also check out Elf's story (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,51.0.html).
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I'm through two chapters of her book, but I'm interested in specific mechanics that would apply here.
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Feel sad for my little abomination.
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This still taking new players?
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Yes. Just make a sheet and wait for Elf's approval.
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So I just Post it in the Characters thread?
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Yes. Post and wait.
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Well, now that we have Karna and Gilgamesh around, I can safely say that my "avoid avoid avoid" list has gone up by 2: now reaching three in number.
'cause demigods tend to kill dragons and beasties without question.
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Who's the third? I have it even worse than you though. Karna will blast me with divine relics and crap now.
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It's obviously Axe Cop, the only being in the city who can hope to rival Gil in sheer asspullery. Yes, that's a real word. Fuck you, spell-check.
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I want Gil to meet Axe Cop so bad
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Axe Cop exceeds even Karna in the use of Axes. Then again, India never used axes.
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Well I know who Uchiten will be staying miles away from unless they're in a conversational mood.
Karna and Gil would recognize his true nature with a glance and smite him. Maybe. Would they? I mean, it's not like Uchiten is impolite, or an idiot who'd attack first in that situation.
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Karna accepts the nature of all humans/ex-humans. So long as you don't give him a reason to stab your face off, you'll be alright. Hell, at one point in CCC he even says he'd give Hakunon + Servant a warm reception of tea and cakes if he had the means to procure such things.
That said, with what's about to happen, I recommend keeping a distance of at least 50, no, 100 miles.
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Yes. Some things that Karna just said are found unpleasant by the King's ears, and I'm afraid that's not a very healthy thing to do.
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Just gonna leave this here.
(http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/300/19/19079.jpg)
He also at one point rebuilt the White House with gold, and lived in it after killing every bad guy ever.
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Is there a leyline over the city?
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I dont see why not.
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There's probably a ton of them, in a place like Nexus City.
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Hopefully I didn't err or appear arrogant in my post.
I mean, Lycodrake has been under the influence of other hallucinogens, so...what I had him do should work, right?
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Well, Nexus City is going to blow up now. Lovely.
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That said, with what's about to happen, I recommend keeping a distance of at least 50, no, 100 miles.
I hope that everyone follow this warning.
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Lyco knows
Protect Aegis so he should be fine as long as he doesn't have to use it twice in a row. :V
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How about Bishie Zouken?
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Only problem is we don't know much about him. All we know is that he was once called an Archmage(unless translators have failed us). The only other thing is whatever you remembered from his last moments in HF.
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Make up!
I'll play him as DIO and Tim Curry wannabe.
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How about Bishie Zouken?
Assuming Rider/Shirou/Rin don't kill him on sight, he might be an interesting character to have around.
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Well they need to know that it's him first right? He may use absorption magecraft but he does not look like that decaying husk in FSN.
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I doubt so, he will be FABULOUS and cheese incarnate.
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Well they need to know that it's him first right? He may use absorption magecraft but he does not look like that decaying husk in FSN.
Well, he looks a lot like Shinji and Byakuya, so they would be suspicious, plus there is literally no reason for him to hide his name (hell, with Rin he would probably see her as an ally, since she is the Tohsaka head).
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Is his actual name (i.e. Makiri Zolgen) common knowledge? Because you know, he could just use that.
... I very much doubt Rin would trust him or see him as an ally in any capacity if she had an inkling he was really Zouken.
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Seeing as bishie shounen wouldn't have even thought up the name Matou Zouken yet, it's fair to say he'd introduce himself as Makiri Zolgen.
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Is his actual name (i.e. Makiri Zolgen) common knowledge? Because you know, he could just use that.
Common knowledge? No. Known by Sakura's family (or, at least, those members of it that were around at the time of the Grail War)? Yeah, definitely.
... I very much doubt Rin would trust him or see him as an ally in any capacity if she had an inkling he was really Zouken.
No, of course not (at least post-HF), but he would see her as an ally....
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No, of course not (at least post-HF), but he would see her as an ally....
... Oh nevermind I misread what you said before. Yes, that makes sense.
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Okay guys, convince me not to ruin the Gilgamesh/Karna face-off.
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Okay guys, convince me not to ruin the Gilgamesh/Karna face-off.
How high are your chances of surviving mountains dropping from the sky?
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Higher than you'd think.
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Nah but i'd probably launch you halfway across the globe with the Vayvayastra if you tried.
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Higher than you'd think.
The inclusion of Axe Cop would be interesting, that's for sure.
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Nah, I'm not gonna cockblock those two like that.
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Hopefully I didn't err or appear arrogant in my post.
I mean, Lycodrake has been under the influence of other hallucinogens, so...what I had him do should work, right?
Marijuana isn't an hallucinogen. In fact, they don't know what to call it.
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Marijuana is pretty mild in comparison to alcohol and other legal stuff, in fact.
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ENKIDU? MORE LIKE, TRY AGAIN FOO
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BRING IT YOU BRASS-PLATED HUNK OF JUNK
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Marijuana isn't an hallucinogen. In fact, they don't know what to call it.
I don't doubt it.
First actual fight for Lycodrake Aptera in Nexus: loss.
good thing he isn't a sore loser and will want nothing more than to never see Neo again
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Marijuana is pretty mild in comparison to alcohol and other legal stuff, in fact.
Not to mention it has a fuck ton of medicinal benefits too. I'm someone who advocates two things: the legalization of prostitution and marijuana. Also, the guillotine should be used as a form of execution so that the organs are still usable. (Every other way that we execute people in the US renders organs to be unusable. )
Also, how far is the Karna and Gil fight from where Dark Archer and friends are standing?
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I dont think we've really defined distances or anything, so whatever's convenient for you, I guess.
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I say ban death penalty, since it's more expensive than imprisonment for life. Saved money spend on researching how to grow organs.
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I don't doubt it.
First actual fight for Lycodrake Aptera in Nexus: loss.
good thing he isn't a sore loser and will want nothing more than to never see Neo again
Not a loss if nobody actually won.
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Hey Daiki, what lizard thing are you referencing exactly?
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Lycodrake.
It seems Mordred and Inmity stumbled across the burning factory and Lyco being affected by marijuana as Neo runs away and Gwyllt and Wanderer are about to engage in an epic duel.
And... Tywin is around too I think.
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Hey Daiki, what lizard thing are you referencing exactly?
Daiki was nice enough to say "reptile". ;n;
Lycodrake.
It seems Mordred and Inmity stumbled across the burning factory and Lyco being affected by marijuana as Neo runs away and Gwyllt and Wanderer are about to engage in an epic duel.
And... Tywin is around too I think.
I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Because freaking CLARENT. Anti-dragon weapons make Lyco kinda freak out. XP
And he's also gotten drugged, so all he does and says will be affected. Poor dragon guy.
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Am I allowed to create beings to fight for me? Not new characters but PARIAH is capable of spawning hunters which are basically extremely fast and strong animals.
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I dont see why not
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Yeah, you can create NPC mooks (Lantz already has), but other people are allowed to take control of them (for example, they can kill your NPC without you having a chance to save them).
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Gwyllt and Wanderer are about to engage in an epic duel.
Can the riders overshadow Gil/Karna duel?
I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Because freaking CLARENT. Anti-dragon weapons make Lyco kinda freak out. XP
And he's also gotten drugged, so all he does and says will be affected. Poor dragon guy.
It's going to be great! For some reasons, I also want to see drunk Lyco.
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Can the riders overshadow Gil/Karna duel?
Karna and Gil will make mountains explode.
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Wyld Hunt & War, yo.
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Enuma Elish vs Brahmashira
checkmate, atheists.
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I entertain the idea you wouldn't obliterate the whole city in your penis contest.
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It's going to be great! For some reasons, I also want to see drunk Lyco.
I shall endeavor to amuse you. :P
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I entertain the idea you wouldn't obliterate the whole city in your penis contest.
I cant promise anything, but me and Moony have plans, that I tell you.
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One pack(1 leader and nine hunter) can cause a challenge to a servant. If you take out the leader however the rest of them are basically dead meat. They're pretty stupid without someone directly guiding them. They basically become all instinct without a leader. They also lack agility. Fast but they can't really dodge.
That sound balanced for everyone? Because I can mass produce. Just don't want to make it too ridiculous.
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If a single pack is dangerous to a servant then it seems pretty powerful to have a whole bunch of them, but I don't think it's OP compared to some of what is out there.
Also, what does it mean by "bring them here if they survived the first strike"? Do you mean by capturing them and dragging them there?
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Well yeah. He's basically a kid who has no concepts of morality or such. He also wants friends. So the simplest solution in his eyes is to bring them to him.
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I'd imagine that PARIAH is interested in the people it encounters that are actually strong, similarly to it's fascination with Karna.
Also it wants friends.
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Sure, but that plan fails somewhat when they turn out to be strong enough to kill the things outright....
I kind-of want them to run into Kiyoshi (he's a magus, so he should be able to survive the first strike at least), but I can't see how that could work without Rider stopping them.
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Sure, but that plan fails somewhat when they turn out to be strong enough to kill the things outright....
I kind-of want them to run into Kiyoshi (he's a magus, so he should be able to survive the first strike at least), but I can't see how that could work without Rider stopping them.
Well, if they managed to kill all the hunters PARIAH would just come himself along with one or two packs to meet them personally. Problem with Rider is she's an actual servant so hunters can't hit her, and she's pretty fast. Their best bet would be to utilize the fact that all regular hunters are identical. Start trading Kiyoshi in between them. But even that is sort of an asspull. If she could be hit by normal people this would be much simpler.
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Well, it's more the initial capture that would pose a problem really. Rider doesn't really tend to leave Kiyoshi unprotected, for obvious reasons. Once they got hold of him it might not be too difficult to keep hold of him, because Rider would have to be careful about what she did to avoid harming him, and it's obvious from the situation that they're not intending to just kill Kiyoshi.
And, what do you mean by "trading Kiyoshi between them"? How would they even get hold of him (and not kill him)?
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Well, it's more the initial capture that would pose a problem really. Rider doesn't really tend to leave Kiyoshi unprotected, for obvious reasons. Once they got hold of him it might not be too difficult to keep hold of him, because Rider would have to be careful about what she did to avoid harming him, and it's obvious from the situation that they're not intending to just kill Kiyoshi.
And, what do you mean by "trading Kiyoshi between them"? How would they even get hold of him (and not kill him)?
I was thinking of them throwing Kiyoshi between them. Since Rider has a good chance of overtaking them. The initial capture would be difficult. Maybe just having some hunters serve as a wall of flesh? Block her off for a few seconds after Kiyoshi survives/dodges a blow from one of them. Unless she can sense the crows they would have the place scoped out well. Presumably they would go after Rider and one of the hunters goes for Kiyoshi. Once they realize they cant hurt Rider but know that Kiyoshi is a "person" they grab him and make a run for it.
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Well, I'm not sure how they would throw Kiyoshi between them, he would be capable of fighting back. And, Rider would follow them, which I think is hard to avoid.
The concept works, but they'd have to find a way to completely hide Kiyoshi from Rider so she had no idea which one had him, and then split up.
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I suppose I could add hydras. Basically a giant tentacle creatures that travel underground. Have it swallow the hunters with Kiyoshi. Then use a few of them to create false tunnels when Rider pursues. How much damage can he take?
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I'd imagine he wouldn't be able to take very much damage. He's a young boy who happens to be capable of doing magic. He's competent enough to be able to put up a fight against the hunters, but he's still human and he's not outstanding at self-reinforcement either.
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Well a strike from any hunter carries enough force to rip a human's body in two. I could have PARIAH assume direct control. Be real gentle about knocking him unconscious.
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Yeah, actually hitting him would be quite difficult, but if they managed to do so then it would be hard to avoid killing him. He can self-re-inforce to some extent, but I think that the sort of power you're talking about would kill even someone like Rin, Sakura or Shirou if it hit them. Magi aren't exactly designed for tanking damage....
Honestly, it sounds to me like a hunter would probably kill just about anyone who it could actually capture. Most people who can survive a strike that will rip a normal human body in two probably won't be knocked unconscious by it either....
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Well there are incarnated Servants running around. They could take a hit well. Maybe just hold him?
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Well, yeah, but the incarnated servants also wouldn't get beaten by the hunters in the first place. And, if they did they would likely die in the process, rather than getting captured.
And, yeah, holding him makes sense, but then he would likely attempt to escape, particularly if he's being thrown around....
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Well, if we use the hydra plan the throwing around won't be necessary. There is also the fact that they are all a part of the hive mind. All the hunters will know where he is and precisely where to throw him so the other hunter can catch him.
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I entertain the idea you wouldn't obliterate the whole city in your penis contest.
but then we'll never know
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Gil has the original measuring stick in GoB. Use that.
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Alright I'll get us up a post sometime tonight before I head to bed, don't wanna leave you hanging after all.
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Short post for Wanderer. Gilgamesh post later, after I oppress some peasants to get myself in the right mood.
(The King's ego is too great to share a post with another)
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Action will be happening.
Kinda winded tonight, but I'll see about answering with Gwyllt tomorrow.
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'S cool, take all the time you need. I'd be a massive hypocrite :( if I asked you to hurry up
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I do want to try to remind people that no one can kill a playable character without that character's player's expressed permission.
If someone wants to off a character, that's fine, but no kills unless permission is granted.
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This is the manliest fight of all time, every time, forever time.
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There, profile submitted. Now I wait.
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Well, he's certainly beefy. I would expect nothing left from the endgame MC though.
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Gray from beast's lair here if the name wasn't enought of a give away.
Do I post my sheets here or in the characters thread?
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Characters thread Gray.
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Said Sign up thread. Got approval from elf over skype. Just wanted to know.
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Don't you need to post a sheet before Elf can approve it?
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I think he means he sent her the sheet over Skype.
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Permission to join. Still need to post My AU! Magic Symbiote and Shirou Emiya with Lancelot fragment sheets.
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Permission to join isn't the same as approval of a character, though....
Also, "Shirou with Lancelot fragments", what?
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Mike, I don't believe we can judge much. There are stranger things in this RP.
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Still plenty of room to join. :) Just make sure you've got confirmation that Elf is cool with all your characters/sheets, get those posted in the Character Sheet thread, and you're good to go.
Also, welcome to the forum! :)
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Guys, you better not be dropping that mountain on the city, or Axe Cop will end up throwing it at you.
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Gil's got this. Mountain fragments will be raining on the city. Probably.
Edit: It is a pretty big mountain though. Axe Cop is going to go perform his civic duty?
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I was just asking where to post the sheet was all.
I know the idea is crazy but he was to be protag of fic idea I had. It involved servant fragments being release at the end grail war 4 due to greater grail shattering (I know it's impossible in canon) and merging with the people in the area. Servant Assassin created a fragment for each personality and possesed an entire school in an evil hive mind trap, Diarmund fragment went into Kuzuki, Caster went to some zouken worms that zouken implanted them into shinji to see whether they would trigger they would trigger the false circuits in him, Rider fragment went to Waver and Lancelot went to Shirou because Avalon.
This changed the way he grew because he had Lancelot in his subconscious, mainly sleeping there but occasionally waking up to infuence him. His origin is weapon because Knight of Honour and Avalon teamed up to change his origin this time, though his element is still sword.
It all started when I tried to figure out way to make Shirou trace a gun. Then i thought of Knight of Honour and I wanted to create a fusion.
To make it short hand think of him as a nerfed Shirou/Lancelot fusion.
Also thanks Alice. Came for this RP to be honest. That and to see the legend of Mike.
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Ah, OK.
What happened to Sakura in this timeline (and, yes, it is relevant, because I'm playing Rider and Sakura's son, and will eventually be playing Shirou, Sakura and one of their daughters)?
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Shirou went on hero quest. Lancelot fragment made him a hardcore damsel saver though. Haven't fully planned out fic because it's mainly just a plot bunny that grew from the characters idea but I think that he saved sakura from the rage of Shinji after Caster fragment woke up in him. Shinji was a living book of Pretali. Shirou just lived through 4th grail war from lancelots percpective and saw Lancer's Gae dearg. Used it to screw up book of pretali in shinji long enough to get Sakura out. While Sakura wasn't focus of route (she didn't go full dark grail) she was saved by Shirou in the end. Probably started dating but Shirou still went on Archer style hero!quest. Convinced Sakura to learn magic for herself get a little backbone (that's what I don't like about HF, while i don't blame her for it because rape is hard to handle and she was too dependant on Shirou) became a good mage though not Rin tier. Learn how to make things fade from existence by exerting her imaginary numbers origin on it to trick Gaia into thinking things were invalid and making her crush it for her, add some shadow tentacles and some ability to transfer and absorb energy as well as make small tier imaginary shadows and shadow tendrils. She'd get spoiled by Shirou coming in and acting like a knight in shining armor to her during his visits. Actually hangs out with her sister. Sadly shinji died after gil tried to insert Grail heart into him and that accidentally triggered Caster monster to happen. Gil took heart out again and stabbed it into Kuzuki instead. Then he became something like the blob that Shinji did. Illya sadly died in order to make the heart thing happen. Imagine a fusion UBW with HF except add servant fragments and have Sakura Heroine and you have the route.
I just made all that up now on the spot , but it's canon to the fic I'll never write if you want it to be.
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If he sees another Sakura while he might be a little irrational he'll realise that it isn't his Sakura. Not the one he saw grow as a person and mage as he grew as a hero.
This Shirou just pulled Alaya contract to allow him to master both sides of himself. He now has a version of UBW that does it's usual thing but in addition has every weapon he used Knight of Honour on and the ability to invoke full power Lancelot for a few minutes.
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Ah, OK, then Rider will probably be OK with him.
Also, Sakura actually does learn to use magic post-HF, I think. Certainly she is learning in HA, and the version I am playing is a reasonably competent magus. She might be fairly helpless at the time of the game, but there's no indication that she would remain so once Zouken is out of the way (and, Zouken is a problem she simply is incapable of fixing herself).
Also, my Sakura won't be that different from what he knows as far as I can tell, aside from having Shirou around full time. She's close to Rin, and whilst she's not a proper magus in the sense that Rin is (because she has no desire to be), she is a very competent magic user (especially with her extra prana supply).
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Remember HF normal.
She collapses without having an emotional crutch in the form of Shirou and just endlessly waits in a grief sticken denial.
I'm just going to have her you know capable of functioning as a person without Shirou. Have her grow into a person who is capable of moving on from his loss. Also I hate the dropping of the ideals in HF so I wanted to give sakura a route where shirou doesn't have to kill his core motivation.
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There's a distinction between Shirou dying to save her and Shirou leaving to go fight, though. The reason she breaks in HF Normal is because she sees Shirou's death as her fault, and can't get over having him and then losing him again. Him just leaving to go fight once she'd been saved and had Rin around wouldn't have anything like the same effect.
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I just wish she honoured is death by deciding to live instead of following in Shirou's stupid guilt complex footsteps. (I love the guy still)
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Well, yeah, her reaction in HF Normal isn't great, but it's not representative of how she would act more generally. It's an extreme situation that drove her to that point.
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Guys, you better not be dropping that mountain on the city, or Axe Cop will end up throwing it at you.
...Would you be surprised if I said we're gonna have things become way more destructive than this.
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On a more serious note this damage is bound to be affecting a fairly large radius of the city which means it could affect other RPer's. What does everyone else think?
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I might be making a new character just to deal with Brah and Moony's shit.
Edit: He'll be glorious. He would also be depraved. Very depraved.
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On a more serious note this damage is bound to be affecting a fairly large radius of the city which means it could affect other RPer's. What does everyone else think?
I think it's getting a bit ridiculous, honestly.
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I think it's getting a bit ridiculous, honestly.
You should have spoke up when he made Karna with an astra that literally drops a mountain.
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On a more serious note this damage is bound to be affecting a fairly large radius of the city which means it could affect other RPer's. What does everyone else think?
I think it's getting a bit ridiculous, honestly.
You should've raised complaints before I got approved, where the mountain-drop and my Hindu-Gate-Of-Babylon Astras still could've been removed.
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I think it's getting a bit ridiculous, honestly.
You should have spoke up when he made Karna with an astra that literally drops a mountain.
I do recall saying Karna was somewhat OP....
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I think it's getting a bit ridiculous, honestly.
You should have spoke up when he made Karna with an astra that literally drops a mountain.
I do recall saying Karna was somewhat OP....
Somewhat isn't the right word, I'll gladly admit that both Karna and Gil are ridunkulously overpowered, which is part of the reason why me and Moony are playing them in a way that can make them come of as antagonistic; So that people can unite against us.
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The problem is that the entire RP combined probably can't defeat you guys. Further, they almost certainly can't do so without casualties, and many of the people in the RP aren't here to fight and get their characters killed.
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I will do this. The only answer is to make another OP character.
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Umbra knows what's up.
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The problem is that the entire RP combined probably can't defeat you guys. Further, they almost certainly can't do so without casualties, and many of the people in the RP aren't here to fight and get their characters killed.
Gil is as careless and arrogant as ever, just putting that out there. You're seeing him at a much higher level right now because he's taking Karna seriously.
go Umbra row row fight da powah
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Axe Cop solos. No, I'm not joking.
If you take it any higher, he actually will interfere. You've gotta be blind not to notice what's going on.
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Who will save the civilians Bloble?
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We're not trying to destroy the city, guys. Yeah, there's going to be collateral damage, and yeah, you'd have to be blind not to see it, but we're doing this mostly because we're having fun.
Part of which is seeing what happens after the duel, of course.
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Who will save the civilians Bloble?
Chopping the heads off of bad guys is more important than a bunch of boring civilians.
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What does Elf think about all this?
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Who will save the civilians Bloble?
The Masked hero. AMERICA-SAN.
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Okay, end game Minato Arisato? Maaaaan, we might get Narukami Yuu next!
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Okay, end game Minato Arisato? Maaaaan, we might get Narukami Yuu next!
You got something better.
You got Dervish.
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Okay, end game Minato Arisato? Maaaaan, we might get Narukami Yuu next!
You got something better.
You got Dervish.
...Eh?
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...Eh?
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708)
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708)
I'm still baffled.
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708)
I'm still baffled.
You will understand when the 300 pound living blender gets in a swordfight with Sue Supreme.
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg14708.html#msg14708)
I'm still baffled.
You will understand when the 300 pound living blender gets in a swordfight with Sue Supreme.
Which Suepreme, there's only 3 1 to pick from.
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>Mike complains about Karna and Gil being OP
inb4 Satoshi
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Karna and Gil are both several levels above Toshi, and Toshi is already on the limit of reasonable.
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Karna and Gil are both several levels above Toshi, and Toshi is already on the limit of reasonable.
From the snake's own mouth.
"Medusa was killed by Perseus, my brother hung him from a tree by his feet on principle alone when he was barely strong enough to defeat Kotomine, now my brother can effortlessly beat Gilgamesh. Unless your help includes a noble phantasm which banishes evil I fail to see how you can help me" she replied pausing to look at the castle.
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The Gilgamesh in this RP is stronger than the canon Gil, though, by quite some way.
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Opinion Brah is not fact. And you can stop the name calling right this instant.
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What's next, only your opinion counts as fact (cough cough rape victim BDSM cough cough) and the word "snake" is deeply racist and discriminating to you?
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The Gilgamesh in this RP is stronger than the canon Gil, though, by quite some way.
Because he's straight from the Epic of Gilgamesh, mixed with some Nasu, instead of Nasu's version of "So I'm going to take the base concept of Gil from the Epic and then basically do whatever I want with him."
(Not that I dislike that Gil, mind)
P.S. Gil is going to be reluctantly paying for reconstruction after this >.>
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I have no problems with your Gilgamesh, for the record Mooncake.
And seriously Mike is right, Satoshi is not nearly that strong, especially in his current state.
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I have no problems with your Gilgamesh, for the record Mooncake.
Thanks lantz, I appreciate that.
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The Gilgamesh in this RP is stronger than the canon Gil, though, by quite some way.
Because he's straight from the Epic of Gilgamesh, mixed with some Nasu, instead of Nasu's version of "So I'm going to take the base concept of Gil from the Epic and then basically do whatever I want with him."
(Not that I dislike that Gil, mind)
Well, sure, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. Doesn't make it any less true.
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Seriously, the sheets are relative, Satoshi lands in the servant power category for other stuff but physically he's not a servant stat wise.
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Hi guys, what have I missed while I was -
*checks Character Page*
VATLER? Brah, you, you. You made a sheet for Dimitrie Vatler?
YES.
And - DERVISH? Oh god Magos, you actually did it.
This pleases me.
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*checks Character Page*
VATLER? Brah, you, you. You made a sheet for Dimitrie Vatler?
YES.
*Leers smugly*
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GILGAMESH RIGHT NOW (http://www.myinstants.com/instant/rules-of-nature/)
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GILGAMESH RIGHT NOW (http://www.myinstants.com/instant/rules-of-nature/)
Accurate.
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The Gilgamesh in this RP is stronger than the canon Gil, though, by quite some way.
CCC may vary. He can travel universe in seconds, and used 1/3 of his total firepower to tell Moon Cell go screw itself.
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I think I'm waiting on Daiki? Either that or Milbunk and Daiki are waiting on me.
I'm not entirely sure.
I mean, I could try to amuse everyone with a drugged Lyco, but... :P
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Either you or Daiki can respond if you want.
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There. I happened to overlook Milbunk's post which was lost in the middle of Gil/Karna's epic.
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Don't forget about my guy XD
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Quickly edited for him.
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Will reply in about an hour, some stuff to do.
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I'm pretty sure the fight has been heard and seen by everyone outside at this point.
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I'm pretty sure the fight has been heard and seen by everyone outside at this point.
Busy being a drugged-up dragon, can't pay attention to the mountain-dropping and -throwing thing, thank ye very much. :P
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I'm pretty sure the fight has been heard and seen by everyone outside at this point.
Im outright pointing out that Gil's roar in the post just now could probably be heard in the entire city.
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Up for vampire hunting.
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Submitted second character sheet. That Karna/Gil fight is getting pretty awesome.
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I'd like to join. I'm going to create a Magiscience Golem
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Grigori, Dmitrie Vatler,Garret Jordan AKA Featherstep AKA Jonathan Red-Eagle AKA AMERICA-SAN AKA Dervish, and Persona Protag have all been approve.
(I smiled when I saw Vatler.)
I need an OP character to bring in, damn it, I'm also thinking of a bad assed normal too.
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Need someone to smack around all these OP characters popping up?
Edit: Grigori thinks this is the greatest thing he's seen all day.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
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Wow, he looks like an even bigger prick now he's not going to help the civilians out.
Really, this is basically making Satoshi look horrible.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
I am without blame. Grigori exists solely to entertain himself. Satoshi is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Unless you run into me we won't have problems. If you do or if Grigori hears of you we may have conflict.
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Wow, he looks like an even bigger prick now he's not going to help the civilians out.
Really, this is basically making Satoshi look horrible.
Don't fan the flames Magos.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
I am without blame. Grigori exists solely to entertain himself. Satoshi is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Unless you run into me we won't have problems. If you do or if Grigori hears of you we may have conflict.
Then why was your name mentioned? It can't have been without reason.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
"OP is okay when I use it, but not when used by other people."
Keep in mind, though, that all I wanted was a proper, relaxing RP and not this OP arms race right now. And now, I'm in a situation which someone made the bed so badly but everyone, including those who didn't even know who made the bed, must lay in it.
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They came up with it on Skype, pretty underhanded shit imo. So I'll never agree to suspending any rules, my characters aren't going to die to any of yours.
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Because I am in the same Skype group as them? I don't really care what they do in Cross Effects. I was aware of it but I didn't see any point in trying to stop it.
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Same as being a part of it Umbra, this conspiracy bs should have been outed by you in the name of decency dude. Players need to trust each other.
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There was no need. You need to ask direct permission from the other player to kill them. Brah could have made god and he couldn't do shit to anyone without permission.
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Why would he? Elf decides if you live or die (I'm praying die) and probably wouldn't be dead. Just, I dunno, stuffed into the gate of babylon or something. Sort of like what Raul almost did to him because Satoshi was acting like a fucking idiot and made a castle in the middle of the city that somehow magically changed size when you were trying to prevent people from interrupting you and Mike having a circle jerk.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
"OP is okay when I use it, but not when used by other people."
Keep in mind, though, that all I wanted was a proper, relaxing RP and not this OP arms race right now. And now, I'm in a situation which someone made the bed so badly but everyone, including those who didn't even know who made the bed, must lay in it.
The problem is not them being OP, it's them making characters specifically to kill someone else's character.
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OK, since you guys seem to be starting to rile up...again...
Drop the discussion now and wait for Elf to make a decision on this. This goes to both sides of the argument. Don't make me start handing warning again.
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They came up with it on Skype, pretty underhanded shit imo. So I'll never agree to suspending any rules, my characters aren't going to die to any of yours.
You know that characters won't die unless you allow them. And isn't it a bit too paranoid to say that? I mean, nobody can't die unless they're allowed by the player, so even if the conspiracy isn't an ironic joke, it is useless and futile.
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Kaiza, not to rile anyone up or anything, but really, the fact that there IS a conspiracy to get rid of him sort of proves how many people really don't like this character and want him gone.
If that's what you were aiming for lantz, kudos.
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Thank you Kaiza
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Kaiza, not to rile anyone up or anything, but really, the fact that there IS a conspiracy to get rid of him sort of proves how many people really don't like this character and want him gone.
If that's what you were aiming for lantz, kudos.
Hello, I-lost-count warning!
Seriously...when I say "drop it", I mean "DROP IT".
They came up with it on Skype, pretty underhanded shit imo. So I'll never agree to suspending any rules, my characters aren't going to die to any of yours.
You know that characters won't die unless you allow them. And isn't it a bit too paranoid to say that? I mean, nobody can't die unless they're allowed by the player, so even if the conspiracy isn't an ironic joke, it is useless and futile.
Ivan, you too buddy. We all know that; let's just let Elf decide on what to do, 'k?
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Ivan, you too buddy. We all know that; let's just let Elf decide on what to do, 'k?
I am reminding him, just in case he forgot.
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I would like everyone to familiarize themselves with the rules.
No killing unless the character's player in question agrees with it.
For example, if Daiki was tired of playing with his troupe of characters and would like new ones, it was perfectly fine for him to have Ruu go nuts and kill them. That's fine.
Creating characters just to kill someone else's character is not kosher.
1.) Treat Other Players With Respect.
2.) Thou Shall Not Meta Game Or Godmode. If you have knowledge that your character could not possibly have, don't give it to them without a reasonable explanation. There will not be any Godmoding here either. You will get smote, and smote hard.
Also, do not control another person's character. This means if you say, "Character X punched Character B." You would stop right there and give the other player time to respond. DO NOT say, "Character X punched Character B, and Character B went down like the little bitch he is." You give the other player a chance to respond. Hell, Character B could be a master martial artist who could block the punch and pull the other character in an arm lock in retaliation while Character X is just some Normal Dude.
This also means that you cannot kill off another person's character without their expressed permission. If I find out that anyone kills off anyone that wasn't suppose to die I am within my rights, as GM, to either penalize you, throw you out of the game, or remove of one of your characters out of the game as I see fit.
3.) Show, Don't Tell. Or rather demonstrate, don't explain. Some times info dumps are needed, but if your character is a smart ass bad ass, show them being a smart ass bad ass. Don't just say they are, back up your claims, and that also means no having other characters who don't know the one character suddenly talk about your character being the smart bad ass without reason to do so. I want this to be a fairly well written RPG.
4.) Give other players time to respond. Now sometimes two players will go on a tangent with themselves. It's expected and can be fun, and if their interaction is separate from most everyone its fine. Plus it would be expected in a love scene between two characters. Now if there is an event and other people are trying to catch up slow down. Like if a group of players are fighting something, and one of them has trouble catching up, give them time to respond.
However if a character does not reply within a 24 hour period, I apologize, but we will be forced to move without them. Don't worry, we won't kill your character and we'll say they did something neat during the conflict so they're not a mook.
5.) This is an Adult RP. Adult things will happen, such as relationships and sex. There will be erotic content in this RP. If you're not comfortable with that, do not join or just say so and anything that could happen with your characters will happen "off screen".
6.) Nine Characters are Allowed Per Player. Character cap was upped. I still may allow more later.
7.) Since this is a Multi-Dimensional RP, multiple versions of one character will be allowed, but only one per player and only three versions of one character allowed at a time. So that means Player C can play as Mind of Steel Shirou where everything went Grimderp and he let Rin kill Sakura, but that is the only version of Shirou he can play. Player A can play Fate Shirou who is following his dream. Player B can play Heaven's Feel Normal End Shirou who is Sakura's house husband. For the purposes of this RP Emiya Shirou and EMIYA Archer are separate characters. So there can be three Shirous and three Archers.
8.) No Aliens. Batman and Wonder Woman are fine. The Martian Manhunter and Superman are not. Or rather Arcueid and Alucard (both Castlevanyia and Hellsing versions) are fine, but most of the Cast of Dragonball Z is out. Partially because I want the level of tech in this RP to be about what it is now for ease and two I don't like vampires and aliens mixing. Too weird.
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...Hasn't lantz basically kicked number 3 in the balls though?
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And eight needs reform for tighter scrutiny.
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We've mostly had magitech and steampunk though. Not really any hard sci-fi.
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I haven't had the opportunity to counter or prove character's claims about one another. Nothing but talking, although Satoshi has proved his honesty at the least.
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I haven't had the opportunity to counter or prove character's claims about one another. Nothing but talking, although Satoshi has proved his honesty at the least.
Then go and provide evidences. Also, you haven't proved anything yet.
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I haven't had the opportunity to counter or prove character's claims about one another. Nothing but talking, although Satoshi has proved his honesty at the least.
...Oh, I'm so calling you on that one because I'm pretty much 100% sure he hasn't actually done so. He's lied I think.
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OK guys, you know the drill: let's nip this in the bud, we've heard this thousands of times, it's up to Elf to rule it...in other words, drop it before this escalates.
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He was totally honest with Rin and Archer (Dark) he didn't have to be.
can't Ivan, old man mode mostly sits and tells stories, leaving the compound won't happen for awhile.
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Drama is such an old friend here we should make a character out of it.
Hewould be really OP though.
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He was totally honest with Rin and Archer (Dark) he didn't have to be.
can't Ivan, old man mode mostly sits and tells stories, leaving the compound won't happen for awhile.
That doesn't prove shit man. I don't have to be honest when I don't need to be either, doesn't mean I'm not.
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Are the red letters really needed for you to listen?
OK then. Let me rephrase that.
Let's nip this in the bud, we've heard this thousands of times, it's up to Elf to rule it...in other words, DROP IT before this escalates.
Magos, lantz, this goes to both sides.
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I didn't catch your first post Kaiza, apparently mike said there's supposed to be an update between posting if something is posted between starting and hitting post, mobile is a bit flawed.
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I know, I know; still, let's just drop it. I want to stop an argument from growing if I can.
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No problem Kaiza, all for chilling out
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Posted characters. No matter how shitty the may be.
Let me know if I'm approved when you can elf.
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Darn it Daiki, healing magic is literally the only type of magic Imnity can't use.
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Not so much healing as draining the substance from his system.
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Funny thing, Downy is in fact extremely good at healing. It's just that he doesn't often have much a chance to use it cause he prefers to rely on necromancy and his other allies tend to take care of themselves.
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By we I mean Chris, Umbra, Mooncake and MissingMandible. We created a plan to kill him in Cross Effects.
It's basically guaranteed.
quote from BL, so this is conspiracy against a player, namely Satoshi, so yeah. Not happening.
It's not metagaming if we're not using knowledge our characters dont have, and we can't kill him without your written consent anyway, so who gives a shit really.
Also it was just me and Moony, Umbra and Mandible just hung around and laughed their faces off while we wrote out how it'd go.
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Calm down, guys, the high only last for one to three hours.
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Before I'm accused of anything on the grounds of being buddies with Umbra, Christ, Mandible and Mooncake, I signed up here on RP to test my JoJo OC. I don't plan to do anything unless somebody drags forcibly my character into the mess. I'm only here to have fun and test my limits.
So stay frosty.
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and we can't kill him without your written consent anyway, so who gives a shit really.
This.
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I will only say if by some chance my character runs into Satoshi (which I doubt, he's not tangled into Fateish stuff) and he does something wrong from the viewpoint of my character, he will have to act. If Satoshi does not do anything like that, he could care less.
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What's going to be really interesting is if JoJo meets both Forest and Angel. They're not like any vampire he's ever met before in the fact that they're both "heroes". (If you're not a Buffy Buff, hee, Angel's often called a "Champion".)
Also guys, can we stop the dick waving? Its the internet, no one cares how big your e-peen is.
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He has his prejudices from his world of origin, so the encounter might be ... explosive. Don't blame him, all JoJo vampires in canon are not good guys by any measure. Hell, we had more honorable zombie in part 1. Pillar Men too had a decent guy among them, namely Wham, who was a honorable warrior.
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Elf while you're here anything wrong with Grim and Avvy?
My guy has neutral experience with vampires. He was tossed into the Nexus by an AU!Vampire!Funny Valentine with D4C but also saw an AU!FullVampire! Giorno help him save innocents from his dad DIO. These meetings were brief and strange to him so it leaves him on a neutral ground when it comes to vampires. He'll see what they are like but he'll be weary. If they are merciless and misusing their powers he'll hunt it they're chill he'll not hunt.
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I actually really want Gil to meet Archer, Lancer, and Forest. Lancer and Archer specifically, because he'll have no idea why they're hostile to him.
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My char will have to overcome prejudice against vampires.
But he still thinks that werewolves are Stand users. Inb4 Diego Brando.
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My char will have to overcome prejudice against vampires.
But he still thinks that werewolves are Stand users. Inb4 Diego Brando.
Well he is a scientist. He generally would work off prior experience and build his hypothesies from there. While he has been exposed to weird stuff it doesn't automatically all weird stuff is true so he at least tries to explain it with what he understands in this case being stands (pun intended). So what he does all seems reasonable and in character given his background. Though don't have him irrattionally cling to the idea, part of science is adapting to new evidence as time passes.
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Brah, a couple of comments on your sheet. Firstly, diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to Princesses as a general rule (if it did, then technically Toshi is a Prince...) and, secondly, that it means absolutely fuck-all in the Nexus even if it does apply in her world.
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Toshi isn't recognized by any governmental body and as such diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to him.
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What Magos said
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Doesn't matter. Diplomatic immunity is something that only the local government can grant. Being a princess doesn't get you it, you only get it by being a diplomat (and only in a country where you have diplomatic accreditation from the local government). Arresting a princess from a powerful country without very good reason will generally be avoided for practical reasons, yes, but they do not have any official legal immunity. And, since her country has no power in the Nexus and she cannot even prove it exists, there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to take the slightest bit of notice of her claimed immunity.
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Satoshi is not even a prince. Firstly, he is a son of a commoner. Secondly, he is by no means heir to Arturia too, because among Celtic people approval of vassals was more important than the blood. That's why Gawain is the approved heir, and Mordred is not (who by blood has better claim than Satoshi).
/history lecture over/
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Mike is correct, as for Satoshi, eh, matters for world, time etcetera. He's quite old and as the sheet says, nearly every job.
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Satoshi is not even a prince. Firstly, he is a son of a commoner.
So? Being the son of a commoner doesn't mean you're not a prince, if your other parent is the King.
Secondly, he is by no means heir to Arturia too, because among Celtic people approval of vassals was more important than the blood. That's why Gawain is the approved heir, and Mordred is not (who by blood has better claim than Satoshi).
/history lecture over/
Yeah, and Celtic Kings didn't wear plate armour, live in massive stone castles or follow the ideals of chivalry either. I don't think you can use their real-life customs to say much about the legend of King Arthur....
As for Mordred, I believe that Saber refused to acknowledge her as her child for precisely that reason. If her true descent was known then she would be the rightful heir.
But, regardless, it doesn't really matter if he is her true heir, because the kingdom he would be heir to is long-gone. Still, I would imagine it is mostly Saber's decision, and Saber certainly sees Toshi as a prince.
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So? Being the son of a commoner doesn't mean you're not a prince, if your other parent is the King.
Children from morganatic marriages do not have right to titles among European royal families, so Satoshi certainly is not a Prince.
Yeah, and Celtic Kings didn't wear plate armour, live in massive stone castles or follow the ideals of chivalry either. I don't think you can use their real-life customs to say much about the legend of King Arthur....
As for Mordred, I believe that Saber refused to acknowledge her as her child for precisely that reason. If her true descent was known then she would be the rightful heir.
The problem is, drawing sword from stone appears in earliest Celtic legends about Arthur, and it harkens back to the Celtic practice of choosing heirs within the same clan (sharing the same greatgrandfather) through various ritual practices. That later developed into tannistry to just forgo ritual practices and have vassals approve of the heir apparent.
And Britain was one of wealthier former provinces of Roman Empire. Britoroman maybe did not wear full plates, but the chain mail was the norm and they even managed to restore cavalry, hence why historic Arthur could buy Celts few more decades of peace.
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So? Being the son of a commoner doesn't mean you're not a prince, if your other parent is the King.
Children from morganatic marriages do not have right to titles among European royal families, so Satoshi certainly is not a Prince.
Erm, no, that might be true in some areas, but it is notably not true in the UK or France, which is where the Arthurian legend was written. So, there is no reason to assume it would apply to King Arthur.
The problem is, drawing sword from stone appears in earliest Celtic legends about Arthur, and it harkens back to the Celtic practice of choosing heirs within the same clan (sharing the same greatgrandfather) through various ritual practices. That later developed into tannistry to just forgo ritual practices and have vassals approve of the heir apparent.
Well, sure, but Arthurian legend diverged from the original Celtic versions a long time ago, and it's clear that the version Nasu follows is based on the highly Anglicised and Francicised (yes, I did just make that word up) version that we have today.
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So? Being the son of a commoner doesn't mean you're not a prince, if your other parent is the King.
Children from morganatic marriages do not have right to titles among European royal families, so Satoshi certainly is not a Prince.
Erm, no, that might be true in some areas, but it is notably not true in the UK or France, which is where the Arthurian legend was written. So, there is no reason to assume it would apply to King Arthur.
This was 100% the case not even a few hundred years ago.
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Bastards in general were out of the line of succession, and having a kid with a commoner was pretty much the same thing. Plus, saber is still technically married to Ginny, so yes, Satoshi is a bastard. He's out of the line of succession on general principal.
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So? Being the son of a commoner doesn't mean you're not a prince, if your other parent is the King.
Children from morganatic marriages do not have right to titles among European royal families, so Satoshi certainly is not a Prince.
Erm, no, that might be true in some areas, but it is notably not true in the UK or France, which is where the Arthurian legend was written. So, there is no reason to assume it would apply to King Arthur.
This was 100% the case not even a few hundred years ago.
Where you're from, sure, but it has never been true in the UK or in France, which are the two main sources for Arthurian legend. Plenty of English kings married commoners (Henry VIII did four times, with the intent of producing an heir through them).
Bastards in general were out of the line of succession, and having a kid with a commoner was pretty much the same thing.
Nope. Go and do your research. England never had any such rule against a royal marrying a commoner, and nor did France.
Plus, saber is still technically married to Ginny, so yes, Satoshi is a bastard. He's out of the line of succession on general principal.
Again, no. Marriages end when one of the partners dies, and Ginny has been dead for about 1500 years at this point.
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There is also the fact that the kingdom no longer exists.
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Pretty nice CK2 thread this forum has.
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There is also the fact that the kingdom no longer exists.
Well, yeah, that is a more relevant point, but he'd hardly be the first person to lay claim to being a royal on the grounds that he is heir to a kingdom that no longer exists....
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Pretty nice CK2 thread this forum has.
I know right, besides, I should go and make one.
There is also the fact that the kingdom no longer exists.
Well, yeah, that is a more relevant point, but he'd hardly be the first person to lay claim to being a royal on the grounds that he is heir to a kingdom that no longer exists....
True, but he's being a 20k year old fucking asshole about it.
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Erm, no, that might be true in some areas, but it is notably not true in the UK or France, which is where the Arthurian legend was written. So, there is no reason to assume it would apply to King Arthur.
United Kingdom did not exist when medieval reiterations were written.
Neither Englishmen, Frenchmen nor Germans who wrote them at the time approved of children from morganatic marriages being heirs
Englishmen started approving of them in 17th century
Frenchmen never.
Germans never did too.
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If Satoshi can lay claim to Camelot, I can lay to Crimea, since at least I AM a nobleman. From a noble lineage hailing from Crimea, and with Genkhis Khan as a direct ancestor.
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Erm, no, that might be true in some areas, but it is notably not true in the UK or France, which is where the Arthurian legend was written. So, there is no reason to assume it would apply to King Arthur.
United Kingdom did not exist when medieval reiterations were written.
Neither Englishmen, Frenchmen nor Germans who wrote them at the time approved of children from morganatic marriages being heirs
Englishmen started approving of them in 17th century
Frenchmen never.
Germans never did too.
Erm, again, what? Henry VIII, who lived in the 16th Century, married morganatically four times, and with the intent of providing an heir. And his son did too. Your statement simply does not hold water, and you have no evidence for it whatsoever. And, there was never any indication prior to that that children from morganatic marriages were considered not to be heirs. It is simply not something that was ever held to in this country, or in France for that matter.
If you think it was, then provide a clear-cut example where it was forbidden due solely to the nature of the marriage.
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That was in 16th century, so a century off and after Arthurian legends of medieval times were written.
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That was in 16th century, so a century off and after Arthurian legends of medieval times were written.
You still haven't provided any examples of it being forbidden earlier, though. You are simply asserting that it was. And, it was never considered an issue for Henry VIII, he didn't have to convince anyone that it was OK (whereas he went to the extent of breaking with Rome to allow him to divorce his first wife) and no-one considered whether the succession would be in question.
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True, but he's being a 16,438,356 year old fucking asshole about it.
FTFY
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How to become the British Monarch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUY6HGqYweQ)
#2 Dont be a Bastard. Guinevere is technically the queen, that would make Shirou a concubine/mistress, which makes Satoshi a bastard.
Basically, when it comes to being prince, Satoshi would be reffered to as "naturally dead".
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How to become the British Monarch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUY6HGqYweQ)
#2 Dont be a Bastard. Guinevere is technically the queen, that would make Shirou a concubine/mistress, which makes Satoshi a bastard.
Guinevere died 1500 years ago. Dead people cannot be queen....
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No longer exists? No I think the country you live in exists, not that Satoshi is laying claim to anything himself mind you.
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How to become the British Monarch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUY6HGqYweQ)
#2 Dont be a Bastard. Guinevere is technically the queen, that would make Shirou a concubine/mistress, which makes Satoshi a bastard.
Guinevere died 1500 years ago. Dead people cannot be queen....
Satoshi's description has him die like 5 times. Dead people cant be princes.
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Losing battle, the home edition, it's not like Arch, Katsura or Brah actually have a say Mike. Satoshi is a prince.
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True, but he's being a 16,438,356 year old fucking asshole about it.
FTFY
...Satoshi is older than the human fucking species!?!?!
And he still acts like some 19 year old prick? What the hell Lantz.
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No longer exists? No I think the country you live in exists, not that Satoshi is laying claim to anything himself mind you.
I said the kingdom, not the country. Saber's country might still sort-of exist (although it's not the country I live in, Saber was Welsh not English), but the kingdom she ruled certainly did not.
Satoshi's description has him die like 5 times. Dead people cant be princes.
Just because someone died before it doesn't mean they are currently dead. Guinevere very definitely is currently dead. And, it is hardly unheard of for a king to remarry after their wife has died, or for the children of said marriage to take the throne.
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Losing battle, the home edition, it's not like Arch, Katsura or Brah actually have a say Mike. Satoshi is a prince.
We dont have a say, sure, I'm just saying that by law, when it comes to royalty, Satoshi is what's referred to as "Naturally dead", AKA he's not even on the list.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there came the fun police.
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True, but he's being a 16,438,356 year old fucking asshole about it.
FTFY
...Satoshi is older than the human fucking species!?!?!
And he still acts like some 19 year old prick? What the hell Lantz.
He should have accumulated enough mystery to get Excalibured in the face by now.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there came the fun police.
Well, sorry if your idea of "fun" differs from the rest.
No, I don't think pointless arguing and the subsequent drama is fun.
True, but he's being a 16,438,356 year old fucking asshole about it.
FTFY
...Satoshi is older than the human fucking species!?!?!
And he still acts like some 19 year old prick? What the hell Lantz.
He should have accumulated enough mystery to get Excalibured in the face by now.
And what did I just say?
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lDid Great Britain recognize Satoshi as the prince? No, Germans still rule it. Elizabeth Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, the Second of Her Name, soloes.
And Mike, before Henry VIII there were morganatic marriages, but Henry The Fourth declared that John of Gaunt's progeny from morganatic marriages could not inherit. Henry the Seventh who descended from it ascended to the throne by right of conquest officially, as did Wilhelm the Bastard. It it is during Henry VIII's reign that morganatic marriages became fully acceptable.
All of it happened long after the classic version on which Nasu bases was written by Geoffrey of Monmouth (who cribbed heavily Celtic myths, leaving many core elements intact anyway)
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What you say about John of Gaunt is true, but I don't think it's a clear-cut example. For one thing, the children in question were born out of wedlock.
Anyway, we were meant to be stopping this....
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
Come on. It's even on the same page.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
Does an off-topic argument really require an admin to end it? I don't see any insults other than from Magos but that's more of something that was inevitable either way.
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Sorry KAIZA, I did not notice because I was multitasking and repairing important stuff for my sister at once. I'm sorry.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
Does an off-topic argument really require an admin to end it? I don't see any insults other than from Magos but that's more of something that was inevitable either way.
It was getting a bit silly, though, so I think it is best if it just ends.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
Does an off-topic argument really require an admin to end it? I don't see any insults other than from Magos but that's more of something that was inevitable either way.
Yes it does; because of how the topic was going (involving lantz's character), it was bound to escalate (Magos joining in being proof of it), and it clutters the thread. Plus, if I don't come in to stop it, you usually don't stop.
So, yeah, it does.
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Can we make custom Servants for the RP?
Have few ideas.
I learned that our only female king (there is no queen regnant in my language) led military expeditions at age of 13, so she could have been Servant material with some tweaks.
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Yep. :) Only requirement is that Elf approves of the sheet.
...btw, a certain thread could use custom servant sheets too
*cough*this one I'm linking here (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,322.0.html)*cough*
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Yeah, although there is no requirement for them to be a servant. You could just literally bring her in straight-out if you wanted to.
And, yeah, Arch's RP could do with more servants....
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But she qualifies as a Ruler! XD
Alice, that reminded me though I need to post that Caster sheet tomorrow, thanks.
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No problem at all. :)
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But she qualifies as a Ruler! XD
This isn't a Grail War, though, so classes are kind-of meaningless, and there's no Great Grail to provide any support.
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C-can I do Ruler?... For that Magos' RP, that is?
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You should ask in that RPs thread Kat.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
While I understand why people on BL would frown upon people discussing Satoshi in a thread which isn't exactly the best place for it, I find it ridiculous to not discuss Cross Effect characters in the Cross Effect discussion thread.
I understand people are tired of pointless arguing but, let's just not fall into the other extreme either.
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I'm assuming Kaiza only did that to stop Lantz from getting mauled by 3 members at once.
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I will prepare both sheets just in case.
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I know. However, this point is relevant considering Mordred and Satoshi will eventually meet. I don't think they are in for becoming BFFs. Especially when the question of the heir is of importance.
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Mordred's relationship to Toshi is relevant, yeah. I think whether or not Toshi is a legitimate prince isn't, really, because he has no kingdom to rule anyway. All that really matters is how Saber views him, and Saber definitely sees him as her heir.
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OK, OK, let's drop this right now. The whole argument is becoming pointless and off-topic, so stop.
While I understand why people on BL would frown upon people discussing Satoshi in a thread which isn't exactly the best place for it, I find it ridiculous to not discuss Cross Effect characters in the Cross Effect discussion thread.
I understand people are tired of pointless arguing but, let's just not fall into the other extreme either.
I know, I know, but being honest, I'd rather nip a predictable drama-bomb in the bud while I can.
I don't have a problem with people discussing the characters, but when it's pointless arguing and bickering about Satoshi, it gets tiring after the first 15 times of the same thing over and over.
Plus, the royalty stuff is not exactly a very relevant topic to the RP in itself.
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It is actually more relevant who is the mayor of Nexus City or equivalent. Did Elf cook up relevant NPC?
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Mordred's relationship to Toshi is relevant, yeah. I think whether or not Toshi is a legitimate prince isn't, really, because he has no kingdom to rule anyway. All that really matters is how Saber views him, and Saber definitely sees him as her heir.
It matters not if the realm is still there or not. Being heir is only a part of it. It's more about being acknowledged as a son, thus Prince. It's even up there(everywhere) on my character sheet.
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It is actually more relevant who is the mayor of Nexus City or equivalent. Did Elf cook up relevant NPC?
I recall some mention of the Mayor, but the impression I got is that he is pretty useless and probably not someone any of us needs to worry about.
It matters not if the realm is still there or not. Being heir is only a part of it. It's more about being acknowledged as a son, thus Prince. It's even up there(everywhere) on my character sheet.
Exactly. And, Toshi's mother most definitely does acknowledge him as her son. She gave birth to him and raised him as her child, she'd have to be a pretty crap mother not to do so.
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Mordred's relationship to Toshi is relevant, yeah. I think whether or not Toshi is a legitimate prince isn't, really, because he has no kingdom to rule anyway. All that really matters is how Saber views him, and Saber definitely sees him as her heir.
Be right back making a Saber sheet.
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Probably might make Proto Saber just to see him going what the heck at FSN.
And because he is my husbando.
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Exactly. And, Toshi's mother most definitely does acknowledge him as her son. She gave birth to him and raised him as her child, she'd have to be a pretty crap mother not to do so.
Mordred may be pissed. Very pissed.
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I bet, and she will be justified in her anger. I will vote on her as the new President of Camelot.
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Exactly. And, Toshi's mother most definitely does acknowledge him as her son. She gave birth to him and raised him as her child, she'd have to be a pretty crap mother not to do so.
Mordred may be pissed. Very pissed.
Indeed....
I bet, and she will be justified in her anger. I will vote on her as the new President of Camelot.
Yeah, honestly, I do think that Mordred in general does have justification for being pissed-off with Saber. Although Toshi at least does recognise her as his sister.
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I give a 90% chance of her not recognizing Satoshi as a sibling. Daddy does not acknowledge her but cares about the other kid? lolno
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I simply hope Daiki will be free to make Mordred act as he wishes to. It's not Of Sword and Of Sorcery RP and Mordred is not from the fic.
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Satoshi doesn't put emphasis on his princely state. There are three groups who do, however he doesn't.
also if not for the players planning to do sheets for the Sabers I would be happy
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I simply hope Daiki will be free to make Mordred act as he wishes to. It's not Of Sword and Of Sorcery RP and Mordred is not from the fic.
Of course, Daiki is free to RP his own character as he wishes.
Deliberately acting like a dick solely to piss off Lantz would be somewhat frowned-upon, true, but I think that Mordred would have good in-character reasons to dislike Toshi, and Lantz cannot demand that Daiki's Mordred acts as his Mordred would.
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You do realize they'd all view him as a crazy bastard who is claiming something they have no knowledge of right? Even if we weren't playing them, Satoshi comes across as a fucking nutjob.
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If I played some of characters who Satoshi allegedly knows (their canon versions of course), they would be probably disturbed if a stranger was all chummy with them.
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Indeed. There's a reason Ryoko had to explain who she was after she took out her contact lenses, after all, to use an example.
...Thinking about it, it's technically not a smart move on her part. Though there's also the fact that there's evidence that this timeline is different, via some things being different in the Nexus already that occurred before her arrival (Tom wasn't there, for instance. If you're curious about the timeline stuff btw... it's mostly stuff Elf and I discussed via Skype at this point. XD If something needs to be revealed, either I or she will explain it). It's justified somewhat therefore by it already being a different timeline, but still probably not the most well thought out of moves.
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The only the thing I realize is that you guys would intentionally have them be hostile Arch.
as for Mordred, I wouldn't expect anything of Daiki, nor would I ask for anything. Regardless of hostility Satoshi will act friendly towards her. That's who he is.
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You do realize they'd all view him as a crazy bastard who is claiming something they have no knowledge of right? Even if we weren't playing them, Satoshi comes across as a fucking nutjob.
Only if they're unable to accept the possibility of alternate worlds existing whilst in the presense of about 5 different versions of Shirou....
If I played some of characters who Satoshi allegedly knows (their canon versions of course), they would be probably disturbed if a stranger was all chummy with them.
It probably depends on the character. Some people are going to be more inclined to accept AU family than others.
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Guys, if I created another human character, would it be possible for one of vampires here to sire him or her? It would be more interesting to get him or her through the process, whoever wants to claim him or her.
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You do realize they'd all view him as a crazy bastard who is claiming something they have no knowledge of right? Even if we weren't playing them, Satoshi comes across as a fucking nutjob.
Only if they're unable to accept the possibility of alternate worlds existing whilst in the presense of about 5 different versions of Shirou....
If I played some of characters who Satoshi allegedly knows (their canon versions of course), they would be probably disturbed if a stranger was all chummy with them.
It probably depends on the character. Some people are going to be more inclined to accept AU family than others.
It's more the being chummy with bit and Satoshi being... kinda a dick.
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Guys, if I created another human character, would it be possible for one of vampires here to sire him or her? It would be more interesting to get him or her through the process, whoever wants to claim him or her.
I can make you Vatler's butt boy
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If there are more claimants, we should hold a vote.
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Trying to decide whether to start with interfering in Gil's fight or getting in contact with what seems to be the main group. Thoughts?
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Trying to decide whether to start with interfering in Gil's fight or getting in contact with what seems to be the main group. Thoughts?
I think you'd best stay out, at least for now, or he's probably going to turn your skull to mush for interrupting.
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I think if you try to interfere both Gil and Karna will rip you to shreds in their bloodlust (they're getting pretty serious now).
e: what Brahm said
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I would stay away from people throwing mountains like DIO throws steamrollers.
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Guys, if I created another human character, would it be possible for one of vampires here to sire him or her? It would be more interesting to get him or her through the process, whoever wants to claim him or her.
That would actually be a lot of fun, honestly.
I'm deciding on bringing in Ash, the Iron Maiden, Forest's most . . . notorious student and a Bad Ass Normal I've been wanting to develop for a while.
Warmonger MkVI Artificial Construct/Seraphim Series Unit-324 "Fair Lady Elissa" , Avdol “Avvy” Shabara, Grim, & La Folia Rihavein have been approved.
A lot of "Strike the Blood" characters up in here.
(I still hold hope for Dean Winchester . . .)
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I will probably bring my old WoD Player Character, "strip" her of vampiric powers from that setting and have her initially as a regular human, then get her Embraced/sired by one of established vampires here. Up to people here who get tabs on her.
I will only say she is originally a Tremere with Path of Technomancy. Kind of geeky gal on surface, but since she is vampire she's still dangerous (though stat wise she is physically weak compared to others, regular human tier without blood boosts).
Rest in the sheet.
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Hmm, isn't Grim technically an alien?
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Not technically, he is one, dude one of Venom's race from marvel
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I think you'd best stay out, at least for now, or he's probably going to turn your skull to mush for interrupting.
I think if you try to interfere both Gil and Karna will rip you to shreds in their bloodlust (they're getting pretty serious now).
e: what Brahm said
I would stay away from people throwing mountains like DIO throws steamrollers.
Yeah I kinda figured, Minato has no real chance of beating both of them at once unless he manages to blindside the both of them with a high tier spell while they are distracted. Though Minato isn't using human level power either. Agi has 50 power which makes it an A rank spell. So yeah...
One of them he could beat, die at least once doing so, but beat; Both, yeah no.
But yeah, not interfereing with that fight. (Unless something happens to force it.)
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Once Moony posts I'll have Grigori seal up the battleground. Nothing will be left of the city at this rate.
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Made my first RP post ever guys. How'd it go?
Also we allowed to post one character and the other right after the other?
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Can't post tonight, massive storm is wrecking wireless. Using phone, but might not work for much longer. Will write for Wanderer and Gil tomorrow.
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I think you'd best stay out, at least for now, or he's probably going to turn your skull to mush for interrupting.
I think if you try to interfere both Gil and Karna will rip you to shreds in their bloodlust (they're getting pretty serious now).
e: what Brahm said
I would stay away from people throwing mountains like DIO throws steamrollers.
Yeah I kinda figured, Minato has no real chance of beating both of them at once unless he manages to blindside the both of them with a high tier spell while they are distracted. Though Minato isn't using human level power either. Agi has 50 power which makes it an A rank spell. So yeah...
One of them he could beat, die at least once doing so, but beat; Both, yeah no.
But yeah, not interfereing with that fight. (Unless something happens to force it.)
You should note that Gil doesn't even get dusty by A-Rank spells in UBW and that an A-rank is roughly equal to an E-rank against Karna.
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Made my first RP post ever guys. How'd it go?
Also we allowed to post one character and the other right after the other?
I see no reason for why you shouldn't be able to.
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High tier skills have power around 600, Excaliblast IIRC is around 225. Then there is Armageddon which I basically wrote up as the world's end counterpart to Enuma Elish.
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There's no reason not to, although it is probably better if you post the whole lot in one post.
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So, just to confirm do you guys want to go back to Downy?
Also Alice and Kaiza, you wanna use your characters soon? Or would you rather I start it first with mine? (They'll be coming pretty soon, Mudou and Shezar.)
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I made my post somewhat vague so whoever wants a top tier who can perform resurrections can take this chance to try and get him on your side.
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I decided that it would be in the best interest for both myself and everyone here to hammer out a consensus on how two of my character's spells effect the characters of varying magic resistance. Here are their snippets from my character sheet:
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Sunder Bolts:
Prana Cost: Moderate
Info: Sunder Bolts is a medium ranged (300m) attack that consists of firing fist-sizedgrey orbs that, upon contact, tears the victim apart from the molecular level by destroying electron bonds in molecules. They can only affect the same amount of area as the orb is, but this tends to be destructive enough for most targets. Like the Firestorm, it can become rapid fire.
Graviton:
Prana Cost: Massive
Info: Graviton is a short ranged (100m) attack that causes its victims to become super dense and collapse onto themselves (Like a hand crushing a soda can). Requires so much prana that it nearly exceeds the mana input from the generator; if fired, Elissa will have a significant reduction in movement and casting ability, for prana is the life-blood of any Warmonger.
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So, here's a table that I cooked up with. It is not finalized in any way, acting more like a prototype. It can be changed as needed while forming a consenses on here.
Sunder Bolts:
Nil: Full Effectiveness
E: 90% Effectiveness
D: 70% Effectiveness
C: 50% Effectiveness
B: 30% Effectiveness
A: 10% Effectiveness
EX: No Effect
Graviton:
Nil: Full Effectiveness
E: Full Effectiveness
D: 90% Effectiveness
C: 70% Effectiveness
B: 50% Effctiveness
A: 30% Effectiveness
EX: No effect
As for special attributes that already inhibit damage, such as Karna's Kavacha and Kundala, will use a formula that uses Full Effect. So, if one has an attribute that decreases damage to 10%, has an A ranking in magic resistance, and is hit by a Sunder Bolt, the damage received will still be 10% of the total attack rather than 1%.
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So, that is the working basis of effect these spells send out. I would appreciate input so that we can avoid shenanigans when dealing out how much a person is hurt in a fight.
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I allowed the symboite because its origin had been tampered enough . . .
Honestly, I allowed it because A.) No alien tech. B.) It's not going to fart and kill someone like a lot of the alien races can.
Hey Mandible, I have a question about your Steampunk Magic Bot, how would "she" fair against Gabriel, who is a magical null? Literally, he nullifies magical energy.
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To Kurogami, well if you want to work with me I have a couple characters who have various ways of making people obey them. (Downy, Lobellia, and Mudou especially.) Of course that's up to you.
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So, just to confirm do you guys want to go back to Downy?
Also Alice and Kaiza, you wanna use your characters soon? Or would you rather I start it first with mine? (They'll be coming pretty soon, Mudou and Shezar.)
Well, I missed a little tidbit from Alice, so I didn't realize it was my turn to reply. I'll try have a post by tomorrow, Mil.
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Hey Mandible. The effort you've put into that is great, but man, I think you're worrying too much.
We've been playing things by rule of cool and going along with whomever we're engaged with IC in good sport to write entertaining fights when they do happen. So while it is a good thing you took the extra time to make sure everyone knows exactly how powerful your character's more relevant abilities are supposed to be and how they'll be affected by them precisely... be aware that numbers will most likely get ignored in favor of writing interesting or more organic reactions.
Numbers and ranks are good general guidelines, but they don't matter nearly as much as you'd think, especially given not all sheets are written according to the same standards and we don't even have a defined system with calculations for fights.
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To Kaiza: Alright no problem, I'll let you and Alice get a few words in before I interrupt.
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Hey Mandible, I have a question about your Steampunk Magic Bot, how would "she" fair against Gabriel, who is a magical null? Literally, he nullifies magical energy.
Completely ignores both. If you are not affected by magic in any shape or form, you have nothing to worry about.
Hey Mandible. The effort you've put into that is great, but man, I think you're worrying too much.
We've been playing things by rule of cool and going along with whomever we're engaged with IC in good sport to write entertaining fights when they do happen. So while it is a good thing you took the extra time to make sure everyone knows exactly how powerful your character's more relevant abilities are supposed to be and how they'll be affected by them precisely... be aware that numbers will most likely get ignored in favor of writing interesting or more organic reactions.
Numbers and ranks are good general guidelines, but they don't matter nearly as much as you'd think, especially given not all sheets are written according to the same standards and we don't even have a defined system with calculations for fights.
Oh, okay. Shall we just ignore my post, then?
This is honestly my first kinda serious RP, and I'm trying to be careful. I kind of feel that I'm being cheese with the above spells.
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No need to ignore it. It was a worthwhile try on your part to make things easier on everyone else. I was just making you aware that the precision of the numbers might not have that much weight on how events play out, even if they greatly help define the abilities in a broad standpoint.
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To Kaiza: Alright no problem, I'll let you and Alice get a few words in before I interrupt.
Honestly, my intent was more to have the repairs be done by the time Reina woke up unless something interrupted big enough to distract Rei (she'll respond when spoken to, but pretty much only with a "busy working" sort of thing). So feel free to go on ahead, it's honestly easier that way I think.
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Hmm in that case perhaps I'll go first, and you two can react to my post. Sound good?
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To Kurogami, well if you want to work with me I have a couple characters who have various ways of making people obey them. (Downy, Lobellia, and Mudou especially.) Of course that's up to you.
Yeah that might not work out very well for whoever tries it, physical manipulation isn't going to do much of anything, and mental interference will make the poor user's head pop like a water balloon. You need to be on mental level close to an elder god to actually get into his head.
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Well Downy and Lobelia can do soul manipulation. (It's how Lobelia manages to live over a 1000 years.)
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Do you guys have problem with Grim?
I know he's modded Alien but I've modded him enough that I believe he has enough magicalness for this RP.
I don`t mean to warp the setting and if you want you can always just imagine it was I don`t know a mutated magical slime that decided to try parisitsm and this is futher mutant that tried out symbiosis.
I don`t mean to drive things crazy like say Goku. I just was curious of trying an AU symbiote that interacted with Nasuverse.
Theoretically you could have this guy act a master for servant and do many other things. I just love the symbiote and came up with the idea for living magic crest. I combined the two and created Grim.
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Do you guys have problem with Grim?
I know he's modded Alien but I've modded him enough that I believe he has enough magicalness for this RP.
I don`t mean to warp the setting and if you want you can always just imagine it was I don`t know a mutated magical slime that decided to try parisitsm and this is futher mutant that tried out symbiosis.
I don`t mean to drive things crazy like say Goku. I just was curious of trying an AU symbiote that interacted with Nasuverse.
Theoretically you could have this guy act a master for servant and do many other things. I just love the symbiote and came up with the idea for living magic crest. I combined the two and created Grim.
Elf already described why she allowed it up above, Gray, while at the same time squashing any hope I had with trying to sneak Daedalus in
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Do you guys have problem with Grim?
I know he's modded Alien but I've modded him enough that I believe he has enough magicalness for this RP.
I don`t mean to warp the setting and if you want you can always just imagine it was I don`t know a mutated magical slime that decided to try parisitsm and this is futher mutant that tried out symbiosis.
I don`t mean to drive things crazy like say Goku. I just was curious of trying an AU symbiote that interacted with Nasuverse.
Theoretically you could have this guy act a master for servant and do many other things. I just love the symbiote and came up with the idea for living magic crest. I combined the two and created Grim.
Elf already described why she allowed it up above, Gray, while at the same time squashing any hope I had with trying to sneak Daedalus in
I am sorry for your loss.
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I am sorry for your loss.
I am, too.
But rejoice! For you get to have a magi-symbiote!
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I am sorry for your loss.
I am, too.
But rejoice! For you get to have a magi-symbiote!
Hey any badass normals want taste of power over here. Grim is most effective with a host and I will even let you control him during the bonding. It just gives you taste of thing in a different light, I just gain a little mana from you but pull all your stats to at least my level or add +1 to whichever ones are beyond mine. So anyone ready to take give me ride?
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Long Uchiten post is long. But required characterization for Zan, since if I keep playing with Uchiten, we might see a lot of him.
I think I've successfully corrected all the typos now. xD
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Missing mandible.
I believe when you have reached EX everything magic just can't harm you at all. Thus I think you should reduce teh effectiveness off any of your skills on an EX guy to 0%.
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I'll prolly be making another character fairly soon, if only to round out my cast of villainous people.
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I should be able to finish my human-soon-to-be-vampire grill this evening. It's 12:27 here.
And no getting sired by any of Chris' characters. Pls no.
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Missing mandible.
I believe when you have reached EX everything magic just can't harm you at all. Thus I think you should reduce teh effectiveness off any of your skills on an EX guy to 0%.
The Graviton family of magics are the equivalent of nukes in Elissa's AU. Even with the base version of the spell (Which can only really effect infantry and vehicles, lacking the necessary umph to damage buildings or destroy super heavies), I feel that it should be sufficiently powerful enough to crack the ribs and damage an organ or two for one that has EX Ranking.
Now, if you can nullify magic entirely, like the person Elf asked about, you get to sit there and laugh at me as I go off and sulk.
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Okay, after the family grill party I will make my grill, hue.
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I'll stop Gil and Karna from turning the city to dust in an hour or two.
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Missing mandible.
I believe when you have reached EX everything magic just can't harm you at all. Thus I think you should reduce teh effectiveness off any of your skills on an EX guy to 0%.
The Graviton family of magics are the equivalent of nukes in Elissa's AU. Even with the base version of the spell (Which can only really effect infantry and vehicles, lacking the necessary umph to damage buildings or destroy super heavies), I feel that it should be sufficiently powerful enough to crack the ribs and damage an organ or two for one that has EX Ranking.
Now, if you can nullify magic entirely, like the person Elf asked about, you get to sit there and laugh at me as I go off and sulk.
I thought EX rank resistance meant that you wen't lol!nope to everything that hit you that was magic. I though EX magic resistance was full nullification.
Saber's magic resitance works primarily like that It just reduces the stuff that hits her to nothing if it's not the apporopriate rank.
You seem to interpret that EX is basically A + 1 rank whereas I see it as, holy shit we just broke the charts and nothing can phase this guy.
I believe the level of damage you speak of is minor and fair enougth that it wouldn't be to broken in the RP and would be okay if you continued.
Yo, Elf a little clarification? Does EX magic restance become full nullification to all magics other than EX? Or is it just a rank higher than A in resistance.
Look at Avalon and it's EX rank. Nothing can effect it, everything you shoot at it is useless, EA and it's EX rank (A++ can destroy a fortress that's cute, I can destroy a world) or even Alexanders EX rank (YOu have A rank weapon I have 20000 of those guys)
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This is honestly my first kinda serious RP, and I'm trying to be careful. I kind of feel that I'm being cheese with the above spells.
I like them. In fact, I think I did something much like the sunder bolts one for a character I was designing once (although, in my case his entire magic was based around manipulating the electromagnetic field).
But, yeah, there is no real need for exact calculations. I'm also not sure how the Sunder Bolt can do partial damage (surely someone either disintegrates or they don't...), and the nature of it makes it sound like it wouldn't affect a spiritual entity like Rider (because she's not made of normal matter). Graviton likely would affect her, though, assuming you somehow managed to hit her....
Do you guys have problem with Grim?
I know he's modded Alien but I've modded him enough that I believe he has enough magicalness for this RP.
I don`t mean to warp the setting and if you want you can always just imagine it was I don`t know a mutated magical slime that decided to try parisitsm and this is futher mutant that tried out symbiosis.
I don`t mean to drive things crazy like say Goku. I just was curious of trying an AU symbiote that interacted with Nasuverse.
Theoretically you could have this guy act a master for servant and do many other things. I just love the symbiote and came up with the idea for living magic crest. I combined the two and created Grim.
Not at all, I was just checking that Elf hadn't missed that he was an alien. Strictly speaking he is against the rules as Elf wrote them, but I am hardly someone who cares for rigid adherence to the rules and, besides, any RP has an implicit rule 0 saying "the GM can break any rule".
I am sorry for your loss.
I am, too.
But rejoice! For you get to have a magi-symbiote!
Hey any badass normals want taste of power over here. Grim is most effective with a host and I will even let you control him during the bonding. It just gives you taste of thing in a different light, I just gain a little mana from you but pull all your stats to at least my level or add +1 to whichever ones are beyond mine. So anyone ready to take give me ride?
Does the person he is hosted by have the ability to do much of anything? Or are they just under his complete control?
Missing mandible.
I believe when you have reached EX everything magic just can't harm you at all. Thus I think you should reduce teh effectiveness off any of your skills on an EX guy to 0%.
The Graviton family of magics are the equivalent of nukes in Elissa's AU. Even with the base version of the spell (Which can only really effect infantry and vehicles, lacking the necessary umph to damage buildings or destroy super heavies), I feel that it should be sufficiently powerful enough to crack the ribs and damage an organ or two for one that has EX Ranking.
Now, if you can nullify magic entirely, like the person Elf asked about, you get to sit there and laugh at me as I go off and sulk.
I'm pretty sure that EX magic resistance means you are completely immune to magic, otherwise it wouldn't be EX. It doesn't matter how strong the magic is at that point, it simply cannot harm you.
Also, that spell sounds like it is basically going to kill just about anyone it hits, even with rank A Magic Resistance. Would you say it would kill someone like Saber, for example? Or, would her servant nature allow her to reduce the damage?
Yo, Elf a little clarification? Does EX magic restance become full nullification to all magics other than EX? Or is it just a rank higher than A in resistance.
It's up to the player, I think. Elf can't really say on their behalf how good their magic resistance is, and the stats given are only an indication of a player's strength, they are not rigidly enforced.
I'm not sure anyone has EX magic resistance, though, so....
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Very well, then. I'll just modify the chart.
It's just that I had felt like I needed at least one spell that could hurt those with the EX rating, even if it would leave me handicapped for a time. Oh, well, I don't think there are that many like that anyways. I'm going to go off and reading th other character sheets.
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There are always going to be some people who you just can't fight, that's just how these things work. Rider can't do a thing to Gabriel, for instance, because she's a magical entity and he is completely immune to magic.
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So, just to confirm do you guys want to go back to Downy?
Lyco doesn't have much choice - his only other option would be to stick around for the Riders' battle and get caught up in the collateral damage while drugged - so, apparently, yes.
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Does the person he is hosted by have the ability to do much of anything? Or are they just under his complete control?
The people who Grim binds to still are in complete control of their actions. Slightly more impulsive because Grim like his native universe cousins likes a little adrenaline in the system but beyond that the controls are up to you.
I'll just pop on in after the initial bonding and a little fun on your side to jump to someone else and if you had a unique magic that you used Grim would automatically act like an amplifier. He would then be able to copy that magic and if you maybe take a really small (you'd regenerate it anyways after like day) portion of your magical engergy to help increase his max total.
Also how many player characters have died so far?
Is the number at 0?
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Actually, 3 player characters have died so far, but one got risen as a vampire.
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Manticores are Persian in origin. And in no way, shape, or form will I or any of my characters take "Manticore" seriously. Joke characters smearing mythology are only :| worthy.
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Manticores are Persian in origin. And in no way, shape, or form will I or any of my characters take "Manticore" seriously. Joke characters smearing mythology are only :| worthy.
What are you talking about, this is clearly an entirely serious sheet for entirely serious purposes.
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So, just to confirm do you guys want to go back to Downy?
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Go ahead.
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My new character will die soon, but go undead. Arranged it with Elf.
I am tempted to save 4 spots for King Arthur, Gawain, Bedivere and Kay. I mean original ones from early Celtic legends. They were like Celtic Avengers or even Fantastic Four because of their superpowers.
- Bedivere was one handed badass who wielded dark magic
- Kay could survive without air for 9 days, could become gigantic as tallest trees, immune to fire and water, could radiate supernatural heat from his body (inb4 Human Torch) and his sword inflicted incurable wounds.
- Arthur was a badass monster slayer with necromantic powers and a mini-Gilgamesh. Fought and/or befriended pagan gods while raiding the supernatural realms.
- Gawain had the same immunity as in Fate Extra, was exceptional healer and his adventures were practically long chain of murders and banging women.
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Does the person he is hosted by have the ability to do much of anything? Or are they just under his complete control?
The people who Grim binds to still are in complete control of their actions. Slightly more impulsive because Grim like his native universe cousins likes a little adrenaline in the system but beyond that the controls are up to you.
I'll just pop on in after the initial bonding and a little fun on your side to jump to someone else and if you had a unique magic that you used Grim would automatically act like an amplifier. He would then be able to copy that magic and if you maybe take a really small (you'd regenerate it anyways after like day) portion of your magical engergy to help increase his max total.
Ah, OK.
I'm not sure if any of my characters would fit. Sakura has way too much willpower to be influenced by him, and I suspect Rider would be immune due to not being normal.
Also how many player characters have died so far?
Is the number at 0?
Three (one who got raised), all Daiki's.
I certainly don't want my characters dying (because one death would wreck the RP for all of them), and I think that's true of a few others.
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I wonder how local Fate based or inspired cast would react to ORIGINAL Arthur and co.
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Well Downy and Lobelia can do soul manipulation. (It's how Lobelia manages to live over a 1000 years.)
I cannot imagine something like that going well. Best case they lose their sense of self in the sea of soul, worst case... yeah I would rather not think about it.
Plus even if Downy could stifle the irrational fear Messianic Presence evokes, what about the rest of them?
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Lycodrake Aptera is usually cordial to other people, but I'm not sure if he and Downy will get along.
Mainly because Lycodrake has a very fervent conviction about not allying with those who would harm innocents.
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Yeah, I can't see him liking Downy one bit....
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Though I may not be as good at portraying it, Downy is supposed to be a Master at making people believe what he says. (He literally got himself right next to his main enemy as a spy and they had no idea about it.)
I'll just have to think carefully about it.
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And the whole "corrupt and destroy worlds" thing probably would piss of Lyco, too.
Most of the things Lycodrake hates come from being things Ares/Mars loves.
Unsurprisingly.
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Grigori has shown off his magical talent pretty well, and his cruelty when dealing with "boring" people.
Edit: Anyone with a spark of magical talent should be able to sense him now. He's basically pouring it out by the gallon.
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Gives me something to do.
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Vatler will fix this guys. Pinky promise
lol jk
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Stats with Messiah Equipted
Str: C++ (25+63=88+10=98)
Agi: EX (30+62=92+10=102*2=204)
Spd: EX (30+62=92+10=102*2=204)
End: EX (40+60=100+10=110*2=220)
Mgi: A+ (40+62=102+10=112)
Lck: A+ (45+63=108+10=118)
Yeah, I may have overdone it just a bit.
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Just a bit is a massive understatement.
Also you should probably consider that EX =/= higher than A+++ and that Nasu math makes no sense and should not be taken into consideration ever unless something like Gae Bolg or Armor of Fafnir is in play.
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My new character will get hit by some stray debris caused by Karna vs Gil or something. Then get vampirised.
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Stats with Messiah Equipted
Str: C++ (25+63=88+10=98)
Agi: EX (30+62=92+10=102*2=204)
Spd: EX (30+62=92+10=102*2=204)
End: EX (40+60=100+10=110*2=220)
Mgi: A+ (40+62=102+10=112)
Lck: A+ (45+63=108+10=118)
Yeah, I may have overdone it just a bit.
What Persona do you have equipped right now?
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May I permantly hurt a character?
I don't mean to be rude or anything It's just if someone reject's Grim's embrace, it won't like that.
Grim hates it when a host rejects him fully, so he'll try to give one final FU before running. I just want to absorb something magical. Get the gears of the plot turning, make it feel like I'm doing somthing other than just power building.
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What Persona do you have equipped right now?
Take a guess.
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Well isn't that just fantastic.
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May I permantly hurt a character?
I don't mean to be rude or anything It's just if someone reject's Grim's embrace, it won't like that.
Grim hates it when a host rejects him fully, so he'll try to give one final FU before running. I just want to absorb something magical. Get the gears of the plot turning, make it feel like I'm doing somthing other than just power building.
You can't do anything to a character without giving their owner the chance to react, but there is no rule against causing permanent damage to a player's character without their consent, so if they have no reasonable counter then they can't argue that they shouldn't accept it. However, I suspect that jumping on a character who is weaker than yours and trying to force them into a position that is not desireable to the person playing that character may well result in Elf's intervention, because it's not really fair to use OP characters to cripple other people's ability to RP.
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When you say "A wall of rock had formed in front of him while the ground below him opened up and swallowed him without a sound"
Did you mean that Grigori had gone underground, or that you tried to drop Minato in a pit?
The wording implies the first, but I wanted to make sure.
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Grigori has gone underground. He's about 3 meters.
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@Mike:
I mean to it to be contingency just in case a character refuses Grim's coming on to them.
I just want to steal some magical power is all.
If the character has an artifact or creature supplying all that power I'd take over the power source.
Sybiotes have taken over some prettty rad stuff. Carnage symbiote took over silver surfer now. I think it can handle some other stuff thats pretty OP for a while.
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Well, you can't force other players to accept Grim attaching himself to them, and if it is in-character for them to be able to resist then they would likely do so. Attacking them in that case is fine, but I don't think it is necessarily reasonable for you to seek to cause them permanent damage.
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Well, you can't force other players to accept Grim attaching himself to them, and if it is in-character for them to be able to resist then they would likely do so. Attacking them in that case is fine, but I don't think it is necessarily reasonable for you to seek to cause them permanent damage.
Grim's entire purpose in life is to find it's one true love and gain more magic too feed off of. If someone gets in the way and it can get back at them by feeding off of their magic or stealing a magical possession, core, circuit, familiar or so such then he would be spiteful enough to want to make them suffer.
(remember how yandere venom got when anything kept it from peter before it went host jumping, imagine that but they are connected to the person both magically and physically and the feel the rejection happening, they will hit back hard)
Grim has the heart of a young maiden looking for love and the fury of a woman scorned after being denied that love. Still genderless though.
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No one's contesting that. Just warning you to not expect a character that Grim tries to steal power from to stand there and take it without a natural retaliation if it is possible, or to simply let Grim do as he pleases.
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I've noted capability in taking over powerful things (like say the silver surfer) and noted motivation for revenge if they don't cooperate.
I might suprise some players to make things fun as Grim really wants to try out host options and I don't think I'll get approval from everyone.
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You said Carnage did it. Not Grim. :V
And some of the stuff roaming around Nexus City is quite... unorthodox.
Though I see your point.
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Same species, different levels and types of crazy.
You see I establish mental and magical link with characters I bond to. In other words the moment I try to bond to them I have their character sheet in my head (that isn't metagaming I think, symbiotes naturally enhance and upgrade their hosts and they would have to know more about the host before they work to enhance them). So when bonding I think I could give see weak points in characters I could exploit. Sometimes I'll try on some enemies just to fail (like I'll try Valter but he just turns into a cloud of dust and outwills me). Look at Grigori, I'm only alive on his whim and Grim damn well knows it due to mental bond.
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I've noted capability in taking over powerful things (like say the silver surfer) and noted motivation for revenge if they don't cooperate.
I might suprise some players to make things fun as Grim really wants to try out host options and I don't think I'll get approval from everyone.
Yeah, like I said, jumping random players and then punishing them for refusing to go along with it is not a particularly great thing to do. Particularly when they're playing less powerful characters who can't reasonably be expected to be able to fight back.
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I've noted capability in taking over powerful things (like say the silver surfer) and noted motivation for revenge if they don't cooperate.
I might suprise some players to make things fun as Grim really wants to try out host options and I don't think I'll get approval from everyone.
Yeah, like I said, jumping random players and then punishing them for refusing to go along with it is not a particularly great thing to do. Particularly when they're playing less powerful characters who can't reasonably be expected to be able to fight back.
It isn't about power though. I can take control of most powerful things, Its about will and reaction time.
I play a post about connecting to them and all that. I let them respond see if they bother to throw me off. If they still struggle to get me off I could screw with them a bit.
I don't mean to unleash malice I just want to shake things up little.
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My point is that it is entirely reasonable for people to try to throw you off, and you shouldn't demand that they suffer for doing so.
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That little gesture by Nessa for Jack was... actually a little heartwarming. Her response was also surprisingly uplifting. Well written Daiki. Nice job.
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Kinda felt like Jack needed it.
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To Alice and Kaiza, alright you guys can respond now. I think whichever wants to go first is fine with me. Mudou and Shezar's bickering is bound to attract one of your attentions at least I'd expect so.
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Kinda felt like Jack needed it.
Jack could use the hug yeah.
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To Alice and Kaiza, alright you guys can respond now. I think whichever wants to go first is fine with me. Mudou and Shezar's bickering is bound to attract one of your attentions at least I'd expect so.
I'm working on my post as I type. I do want to find Alice's last post with Rei, though...
That's what I get for being away for so long...
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OK, posted.
Now, all that's left is Alice's reply and her reaction to our two pals coming in.
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I should mention that Vatler never destroyed the main source of ice and Grigori never dispelled the sigils. It's going to keep growing for a while. Someone should take care of that before it covers a few buildings.
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I seem to have been entirely left behind, I feel a bit cheated.
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post faster
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There is also the fact that no one wants to deal with someone who has EX Rank in END, AGI, and SPD. If it makes you feel better we could have just cast our magic real fast and went to fuck around on a skyscraper.
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There is also the fact that no one wants to deal with someone who has EX Rank in END, AGI, and SPD.
Much less when he has literally no reason to have it. Direction conversion of P3 stats into (useless) Nasu stats is not only borderline stupid, it also converts P3MC from a reasonably strong character to a near-godmode killing machine who has a weapon that can cut anything.
Basically what we're trying to imply is that while your sheet for P3MC isn't neccesarily bad, it's just 100% wonky because you have accidentally made him pretty much the strongest character in the entire RP, and that's saying something.
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Stronger than damn Satoshi.
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I was just going to say that I got hit by that first beam and got sent flying. Then reply with violence.
Against pure magic types who can cast at the speed of thought apparently, superior stats mean little, especially in an RP like this one.
(Plus the chance of him falling over for no reason, or if he takes a crit, or if you hit his weakness with any amount of force.)
Isn't the rule here to basically ignore stats in favor of whatever makes for the best fight anyway?
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...Not really?
I mean Gil's strength stat is A++ and he can punch mountains into little pieces. Even then, it's not EX, like your stats. EX means unquantifiable, something that surpasses anything before it, etc. Ea is EX rank because it has the power to destroy the world with a single swing - the magicians that have EX magic operate on a level that no one but them can understand, and so on. Basically, being EX ranked means you are the shit, the big thing, etc. That definitely counts for something, just like C or B ranks being weaker magic than A, being weaker strength than A, and so on.
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I was just going to say that I got hit by that first beam and got sent flying. Then reply with violence.
Against pure magic types who can cast at the speed of thought apparently, superior stats mean little, especially in an RP like this one.
(Plus the chance of him falling over for no reason, or if he takes a crit, or if you hit his weakness with any amount of force.)
Isn't the rule here to basically ignore stats in favor of whatever makes for the best fight anyway?
Gil and Karna are destroying the city for a reason. They're stats and skills are fucking ridiculous. But 3 EX rank stats? Way too much.
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For the record, Gil and Karna have A and A++ strength respectively and can situationally chuck fucking mountains (although this is also partially because they've done that or worse in their legends that we can pull this kind of stuff). EX rankings represent "too powerful to measure", meaning that EX Agility would pretty much allow you to move at close-to-light-speed.
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Fine, give me a second. I'm gonna nerf his base stats just enough to get rid of those EX's for a while.
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Isn't the rule here to basically ignore stats in favor of whatever makes for the best fight anyway?
Not really. The stats aren't used rigidly for anything, but they do give an indication of how strong your character is, and characters should react realistically to things that happen to them.
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Except if you are Satoshi, who doesn't react realistically to anything.
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Classy as always, mag. Then again you're right on the money.
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Stats with Messiah
Str: C++ (25+63=88+10=98)
Agi: A++ (30+62=92+10=102*1.5=153)
Spd: A++ (30+62=92+10=102*1.5=153)
End: A++ (30+60=90+10=100*1.5=150)
Mgi: A+ (40+62=102+10=112)
Lck: A+ (40+63=102+10=112)
There the EXs are gone, yes I know it is still ridiculous.
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Are Persona added to MC's stats in game or do they replace them?
Edit: I always viewed it as the latter.
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The Persona's stats ARE his stats in game.
I ended up going with what I did because Nasu stats are on a scale of 200 where as Persona stats are on a scale of 100 I think,
so the other option in my head at the time was to double the stats on all the Persona and set his stats as equal to theirs.
I ended up deciding that that way of doing it would cause problems.
I admit to a tendency to overthink trivial things and make simple mistakes.
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You shouldn't worry so much about the exact numerical values for your stats. All the stats are are an indication of how powerful your character is. For one, they are relative to other beings of your type (otherwise human characters like Kiyoshi would have E---- in everything), and secondly no-one is really keeping track of exactly how strong you claim you are. As long as you're not miles off, no-one is going to complain.
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You could use the more or less neutral parameter scale some of us do instead of trying to crunch numbers. :>
E - Regular Human level
D - Inhuman/Base Supernatural
C - Mid or Above Average Supernatural
B - High Supernatural
A - Peak Supernatural
(Pluses and Minuses apply as they would on test grades :V)
Or as Cherry said, write the parameters relative to beings of your general type or home setting.
My original verse/verseless characters use the scale measurements I wrote above, but the others I generally made in relation to their home settings.
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Apologies, Daiki, Milbunk - my bro's graduation is tomorrow and family's over for this evening until the second half of sunday. I'm done with my spring semester, though! XP
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No sweat man.
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Uh.... can you please explain your last post Lantz?
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Satoshi is in his own world, hue.
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A knight brought Satoshi some raws material that Satoshi is going to use to probably make chains or something to tie up Angra with, and Angra is gurgling after having brushed her teeth because that is a thing you do.
And now Lantz is waiting on Lantz. That lantz guy, keeping people waiting, what a slacker.
I HAVE EXPLAINED
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... so you can lantz Lantz, while lantzing Lantz.
Pimp My Lantz.
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Yo dawg
BTW I'll be coming back in within the nearby future
This city needs some justice, and school's out.
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Ellen Thorne has been approved.
Dude, Manticore is ridiculous.
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Ashlynn seems fun.
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Is that the NSP manticore?
holy shit
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Ellen Thorne has been approved.
Dude, Manticore is ridiculous.
Thats not how you spell "based".
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Ashlynn seems fun.
You want to know something hilarious?
Ash is probably Roadbuster's favorite of my LUHC characters.
Plus her view points are completely different than Fore's, but they respect each other's views.
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Thanks, Elf, I will read Ash's sheet before I post.
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Is that the NSP manticore?
holy shit
You know it
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Chris, what do you recommend then when it comes to improving on the latest post (referring to the Skype convo)?
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It almost seems like you guys are enjoying this somehow.
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Slightly maybe very very much
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It is very amusing. I'm mostly following Brah's lead on this.
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Messiah
Weakness- Dark element
I will have my revenge for this someday soon.
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I hope you are prepared for a lover as skilled as Vatler.
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Curiously enough, darkness magic causes harm to things that are weak against darkness.
Updated because I saw that question coming.
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I hope you are prepared for a lover as skilled as Vatler.
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Give me ten minutes to concoct a response please.
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Do speak up if we're transforming Minato into too much of a butt monkey
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Not really, up till this last part it hasn't been much of a problem, high endurance has to get some use.
I am a bit uncomfortable with the way things are starting to go now so forgive me if I try to steer things in a different direction.
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Go ahead, I wasn't gonna write anything much further.
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Is it just me, or am I making Thanatos a bit too bloodthirsty?
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The sloot is on the road.
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Lantz no one actually uses water as a coolant during metalworking, you use heat-treating oil.
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I presume his knowledge is from unrealistic video games and fantasy titles since researching blacksmithing is on higher difficulty level.
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Guys, it's magic, I don't think he's all that concerned about it.
I think. I mean, a bucket of water shouldn't vaporize instantly like that either.
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Paradox would fuck up Satoshi for not following the Consensus.
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Actually when you're dealing with 1500F or higher temperatures during the tempering of the blade (which is the stage that is always followed by cooling), water will pretty much disappear on contact. And yes, when it can be felt at a 10 feet range, you are definitely above that temperature.
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I do hope I'm not meta-gaming with Lyco's "ooo what shiny type/element of magic does this person use" sense. :P
Just be prepared for him to freak the fuck out if his senses are screaming ICE ICE BABY - FLEE.
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Lantz no one actually uses water as a coolant during metalworking, you use heat-treating oil.
You actually could, but shit's old style.
But seriously, with so much going on and so much powerful characters, I feel so outta place in this RP. ;_;
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Lantz no one actually uses water as a coolant during metalworking, you use heat-treating oil.
You actually could, but shit's old style.
Let me reword myself. Using water as a coolant is shit and makes the item brittle as fuck, but you can totally do it, your result is just going to be awful.
Satoshi is supposedly this master smith who's infinity years old, yet he doesn't even know this.
I'm basically pointing out that if Lantz wants to put all these jobs like smith and doctor on his SI's profile, he should do the most basic of basic research. I think I've used a day's worth of time researching Kalaripayattu just for a future fic of mine, so Lantz could at least go watch Man At Arms or something like that to at least get a feel of what his character is doing.
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What kind of char you are running, Ivan?
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Lantz no one actually uses water as a coolant during metalworking, you use heat-treating oil.
You actually could, but shit's old style.
Let me reword myself. Using water as a coolant is shit and makes the item brittle as fuck, but you can totally do it, your result is just going to be awful.
Satoshi is supposedly this master smith who's infinity years old, yet he doesn't even know this.
I'm basically pointing out that if Lantz wants to put all these jobs like smith and doctor on his SI's profile, he should do the most basic of basic research. I think I've used a day's worth of time researching Kalaripayattu just for a future fic of mine, so Lantz could at least go watch Man At Arms or something like that to at least get a feel of what his character is doing.
There's always tempering, besides, so I don't really think that using water is that bad. I mean, aside from the small chance of cracks and bends.
What kind of char you are running, Ivan?
These three.
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11649.html#msg11649 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11649.html#msg11649)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11650.html#msg11650 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11650.html#msg11650)
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11651.html#msg11651 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,55.msg11651.html#msg11651)
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OCs?
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OCs?
Yes.
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Depends on what exactly you are making, some things benefit from harsher quenching.
In this case it likely doesn't matter all that much, the metal is thick and it may be that he is just doing whatever is quickest because he may not expect them to last long anyway.
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Yeah, given what they're intended to do, I don't think making them strong is a big concern. They're just bracelets, and I doubt he's expecting them to be worn for more than a few years at absolute maximum (most likely it'll be a lot less).
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He claims Satoshi is a master blacksmith. No master blacksmith would use such inferior techniques, the pride would not allow.
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Satoshi is also a blacksmith with a mother from the Dark Ages whose mentor is a Dark Age magician. I'm not sure he can be expected to use fully modern techniques. Plus, he may just not have been able to get hold of oil like that.
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Actually when you're dealing with 1500F or higher temperatures during the tempering of the blade (which is the stage that is always followed by cooling), water will pretty much disappear on contact. And yes, when it can be felt at a 10 feet range, you are definitely above that temperature.
This may be important as well.
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Satoshi is also a blacksmith with a mother from the Dark Ages whose mentor is a Dark Age magician. I'm not sure he can be expected to use fully modern techniques. Plus, he may just not have been able to get hold of oil like that.
Except he's still doing it wrong even for back then. The problem is that this is another case where Toshi demonstrates more tell than show. He is using a technique that is amateurish despite supposedly being fantastic at everything due to experience. That's the issue here. It wouldn't be such a big deal if what we were told about Toshi says that we should be expecting more from him. This is the primary problem with Satoshi as a whole.
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Did they really use oil for quenching that far back? It seems unlikely to me.
And, regardless, he may well just not be able to get hold of the oil to do it in this case, so he used water instead.
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He managed to get a forge out of nowhere didn't he, somehow (seriously, where the hell did that forge come from?!)? Why wouldn't he be able to get the oil? Plus even if they didn't, if Toshi's so all knowing and wise and stuff, wouldn't he have picked up on that anyway?
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Am I the only one unsure where that knight who handed him the iron came from? Was he always there?
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Yeah, the knights came over a while back, before you joined. They're constructs Toshi made. Currently there are about 20 of them stood on Forest's back lawn....
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Yeah, the knights came over a while back, before you joined. They're constructs Toshi made. Currently there are about 20 of them stood on Forest's back lawn....
...OK, why are they there? Why is it that Satoshi must always have:
1) A fucking army of some kind
2) One of his cult around to defend him and/or suck his dick
3) The ability to magically make whatever the fuck he wants when he wants it wherever he wants it, and then somehow have it go unnoticed (IE the magical size changing castle)
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How do you make a size changing castle? Did he explain how it worked?
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>Lantz
>Explain
Did you click on DSM instead of BL by accident Umbra?
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How do you make a size changing castle? Did he explain how it worked?
No, it's more that it somehow Magically became unnoticeable despite most of his post detailing how fucking big this thing was and how it was dwarfing skyscrapers (Because Lol, Dark Satoshi) and then when I started pointing out that everyone in the fucking city should be converging on this thing out of interest, it suddenly somehow became tiny. And totally unnoticeable.
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Arch, cut it out.
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Arch, cut it out.
What, I can't point out things that happened in the past just because they happen to include Lantz? I call bullshit. People have a right to know.
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No, it's more that it somehow Magically became unnoticeable despite most of his post detailing how fucking big this thing was and how it was dwarfing skyscrapers (Because Lol, Dark Satoshi) and then when I started pointing out that everyone in the fucking city should be converging on this thing out of interest, it suddenly somehow became tiny. And totally unnoticeable.
lol. He just stopped describing it as enormous and said it was hard to notice?
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No, it's more that it somehow Magically became unnoticeable despite most of his post detailing how fucking big this thing was and how it was dwarfing skyscrapers (Because Lol, Dark Satoshi) and then when I started pointing out that everyone in the fucking city should be converging on this thing out of interest, it suddenly somehow became tiny. And totally unnoticeable.
lol. He just stopped describing it as enormous and said it was hard to notice?
Yep. Just because I had a few of my characters notice it. And want to check it out, while Satoshi was banging Rider.
Look in the RP it's some creepy shit man.
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Arch, cut it out.
What, I can't point out things that happened in the past just because they happen to include Lantz? I call bullshit. People have a right to know.
You can point out things that happened in the past, just not in such an abusive manner.
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Wow, telling the truth about things is abusive?
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Calling them a cult and saying they suck Toshi's dick kind-of is, yeah....
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Wasn't even that abusive, plus Arch is correct, most of Lantz's non-Satoshi characters are his personal dick-polishing squad.
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Calling them a cult and saying they suck Toshi's dick kind-of is, yeah....
But it's pretty true. They say NOTHING negative about him, did that weird "One of Us' thing with Forest, and in general act sort of like a Cult with Satoshi as the leader.
For anyone who wants to play this RP, if Satoshi or any of Lantz's OC's offer you Kool-Aid DO NOT DRINK IT
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But it's pretty true. They say NOTHING negative about him, did that weird "One of Us' thing with Forest, and in general act sort of like a Cult with Satoshi as the leader.
Please link this. It sounds hilarious.
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But it's pretty true. They say NOTHING negative about him, did that weird "One of Us' thing with Forest, and in general act sort of like a Cult with Satoshi as the leader.
Please link this. It sounds hilarious.
Less hilarious, more creepy. Especially with Lantz's same voice for everyone.
EDIT: http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10790.html#msg10790 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,78.msg10790.html#msg10790)
From here on. And before then Rin (not lantz's rin who we call Lin because aside from the name she's really not Rin. It's something characteristic about all of Lantz's attempts at canon characters_
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You can go ahead and respond first Daiki, Downy's just gonna sit back and wait for Mordred's reply before responding on his own.
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What country is Nexus City in? And what kind of crimes are common?
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Basically it's a mishmash of 'Murican stuff if I remember right. As for common crimes, I imagine homicide is extremely common, as is theft.
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Basically it's a mishmash of 'Murican stuff if I remember right. As for common crimes, I imagine homicide is extremely common, as is theft.
So a combination of stabbings and shootings.
Are gangs common? Excessive drug use?
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Ok, important thing now.
I need cards from the Thoth deck to assign to Grigori and Vatler.
SOCIAL LINKS
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So a combination of stabbings and shootings.
Are gangs common? Excessive drug use?
Well, for your homicides, that's considering all the hostile werewolves and vampires that are roaming around the place as well. Likely most of your homicides come from them, outside a particularly big nasty coming through and causing far more damage on that front than those guys normally pull off in a week.
Probably at least a few drug cartels around, considering the bust that Lyco and friends just did. As for gangs, probably more than a few, if only for survival purposes. Likely there's more than a few that operate as vampire/werewolf hunters as well.
Naturally Elf needs to verify all that, but I think it's accurate. :)
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For some reason a sort of Nexus City (we will need a name for it) has popped up in a pocket dimension, pulling things from other worlds randomly around with it. In this city you can see the Statue of Liberty at the bay, but in the center of the city is Tokyo Tower. The City is a huge, sprawling metropolis. Like all cities it also has its dark underbelly as well. Think of the City as the obese child of Metropolis and Gotham and you'd be half way there.
This is the description from page 1, is this still correct or has it changed?
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Yep, it still applies. :) ...I just forgot about that part. ^^" What I said about the crimes should still be correct though, at least I think so anyway.
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Ok enough of this, everyone stop.
first of all the point was to show that he doesn't care about the project at hand. Not that any of you got that as you're only bringing it to attack me.
secondly, he's using magic, so if the process is unrealistic at times that's because there's more to it then is immediately apparent (except for the above, where again it's meant to SHOW he's not invested or enjoying the job)
third there's no forge here, he wouldn't waste the energy for Angra, he used his hands and his fire like molding clay, because again, he doesn't care about the project at hand.
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The problem is that even with magic those cuffs should shatter like nothing else if they're cooled that fast with that amount of heat, and if he's strong enough to bend that metal in his hands, then why didn't he just bend manacles around Angra's hands.
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...lantz, refer to me as "attacking you" again, and you're getting a warning. Do it again, and you're getting a temp ban. That clear?
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Ok, important thing now.
I need cards from the Thoth deck to assign to Grigori and Vatler.
SOCIAL LINKS
Devil Arcana may fit Grigori but it's been a while since I played a Persona game.
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Alice stop assuming I referred to you. I referred to the other three Arch, Brah and Kat
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...But you did refer to her. You went 'DURR MISINFURMATIIONS HURR' when we pointed out we were baffled by how the hell he made the manacles and where the forge and shit came from.
So yes, you did just accuse her of attacking you.
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Arch, stop stirring shit.
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Arch, stop stirring shit.
I'm not stirring shit, I'm pointing out he actually DID accuse Alice of attacking him.
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No, he didn't, he said as much and there is no reason to not believe that. Now stop trying to stir the shit with Lantz.
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0 The Fool
I The Magus
II The Priestess
III The Empress
IV The Emperor
V The Hierophant
VI The Lovers
VII The Chariot
VIII Adjustment
IX The Hermit
X Fortune
XI Lust / Strength
XII The Hanged Man
XIII Death
XIV Art
XV The Devil
XVI The Tower
XVII The Star
XVIII The Moon
XIX The Sun
XX The Aeon
XXI The Universe
This is the thoth set, which is what I am working with, give me a little while to decide what the social links do this time.
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I'll give him (lantz) the benefit of the doubt this time.
However, the same thing still applies. lantz, if you refer to me as "attacking you" again, first time is a verbal warning, second time is an official warning, third time is a temp ban. Mostly because you've said that about what I've said in regards to your fics when that was not actually my intent enough times that it's both gotten tiresome and insulting. Is that understood?
With that said, let's drop it. We've had enough drama in here as it is.
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No, it's more that it somehow Magically became unnoticeable despite most of his post detailing how fucking big this thing was and how it was dwarfing skyscrapers (Because Lol, Dark Satoshi) and then when I started pointing out that everyone in the fucking city should be converging on this thing out of interest, it suddenly somehow became tiny. And totally unnoticeable.
lol. He just stopped describing it as enormous and said it was hard to notice?
Yep. Just because I had a few of my characters notice it. And want to check it out, while Satoshi was banging Rider.
Look in the RP it's some creepy shit man.
Did that actually happen? I mean, the fucking. It.
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No, it's more that it somehow Magically became unnoticeable despite most of his post detailing how fucking big this thing was and how it was dwarfing skyscrapers (Because Lol, Dark Satoshi) and then when I started pointing out that everyone in the fucking city should be converging on this thing out of interest, it suddenly somehow became tiny. And totally unnoticeable.
lol. He just stopped describing it as enormous and said it was hard to notice?
Yep. Just because I had a few of my characters notice it. And want to check it out, while Satoshi was banging Rider.
Look in the RP it's some creepy shit man.
Did that actually happen? I mean, the fucking. It.
Apparently Lantz wrote some stuff on it. And so did Mike. But they never put it in the thread, which is probably for the best considering their lemons.
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It happened, but as Magos said, the actual lemon part of it never made it into the thread. You can see them talking about it afterwards, but it's never actually shown.
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Yeah, it not ending up in the thread is entirely my fault, I just haven't beta-read it yet.
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Yeah, it not ending up in the thread is entirely my fault, I just haven't beta-read it yet.
For the sake of all our sanity, please let it stay in forever beta.
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0 The Fool
I The Magus
Characters of the Magician Arcana are, as of Persona 3, typically the first male friend (and Social Link) of the protagonist, and are typically perverted male characters. They are often the right-hand men of the protagonist.
An ongoing theme that is related to all Magician Arcana Social Links is the tragedy that befalls the social link character related to their romantic interest.
II The Priestess
Individuals associated with the Priestess Arcana are usually quiet, reserved, and very intelligent. They are often modest and shy, and won't open up to the protagonist until much later in their Social Links as compared with other characters.
III The Empress
Within the Persona universe, the Empress Arcana often belongs to women of authority or wise and motherly figures.
IV The Emperor
Within the Persona universe, characters of the Emperor Arcana are often male leaders or father figures (or both). Often times, the Emperor character is troubled by something very personal, and doesn't know how to deal with it. Typically, the King of a mythological pantheon is of the Emperor Arcana.
V The Hierophant
Characters of the Hierophant Arcana are often older than the protagonist, and are typically quite wise and logical. The most common connection between Hierophant characters, however, is their association (and obsession) with the past.
VI The Lovers
A commonality among individuals of the Lovers Arcana is their popularity and their emphasis on social interaction. Lovers characters are almost always the "popular" ones, and almost always have a canon romantic interest in the protagonist.
VII The Chariot
Characters who are of the Chariot Arcana are typically very driven individuals, who have a personal goal that they aim to achieve at any cost. It is not uncommon for Chariot characters to be short-tempered or aggressive.
VIII Adjustment
Commonly, characters of the Justice Arcana are concerned with matters of fairness, and otherwise are very stoic individuals.
IX The Hermit
Similarly, Hermit Arcana characters share the commonality of placing themselves in situations that hide them from the public eye. Hermit individuals hide away from others or act in more supportive roles rather than putting themselves in the spotlight.
X Fortune
Bearers of the Fortune Arcana are usually individuals who are aware of their fates, and attempt to seize their own destiny in spite of their seemingly-locked fates. Thus, they are typically involved with making important choices and decisions.
XI Lust / Strength
A commonality between characters of the Strength Arcana is their strength of heart. Strength characters are not upset easily and typically portray the fortitude that the Strength card represents in readings.
XII The Hanged Man
Hanged Man characters are sometimes self-sacrificial, but are more often notable for being caught between two different extremes, parties or stages in life.
XIII Death
In recent games, characters of the Death Arcana are associated directly with death, but a commonality that connects all Death Arcana characters is the cycles of change they experience.
XIV Art
Characters of the Temperance Arcana are often struggling to find a balance in their lives and in their hobbies.
XV The Devil
Human characters associated with the Devil Arcana are often "devilish" individuals; they can be greedy, proud, lusty, or otherwise of poor character. It is not uncommon for Devil Arcana characters to have somewhat antisocial tendencies, often not caring much for the needs or well-being of others.
XVI The Tower
Human characters of the Tower Arcana can be arrogant, and typically find themselves in bad situations where they themselves have fallen from grace.
XVII The Star
Characters of the Star Arcana embody their arcana's traits of hopefulness and joy.
XVIII The Moon
Characters who are of the Moon Arcana are often similarly psychically-attuned, but a more common trend is their projection of their own fears and faults onto others (namely, the protagonist). They often tend to have trouble accepting themselves for who they are and, because of that fear, try to correspond to an ideal person.
XIX The Sun
Characters of the Sun Arcana almost always (ironically) find themselves in terrible situations, the situation betrays the underlying optimism present in nearly all of them.
XX The Aeon
A common theme for characters representing the Aeon Arcana is their attempts to fully understand themselves, as well as the world around them. In both of the Aeon Arcana's appearances, the Social Link characters in question were unfamiliar with the way the real world works, and struggled to discover their own place in this unfamiliar world.
XXI The Universe
While putting this together I decided that the social links are going to do either Two or Three things
1. To Minato it will provide either a bonus of some sort in combat when working together, or It will unlock a new non combat skill, depending on the social link. This is the one I'm iffy on.
2. To the other person it will stimulate the developement of abilities, accelerating the growth of existing abilities, stabilizing unstable powers, or even unlocking new powers that the person has the potential for. I am certain of this one.
3. At max the social link provides a new Persona from the world or mythology of the social link.
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Karna is either Adjustment, Hanged Man or Strength.
Vatler is probably Emperor or Devil.
La Folia is either Empress or Lovers.
I leave it up to you to pick which.
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I'm almost 100% sure that Grigori is Devil. However the choice is up to you.
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Well Lovers is reserved for the main love interest.
Grigori is devil, no two ways about that.
What personal problem does Vatler have? Normally Emperors are entrenched in their position to the point that it defines them.
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What personal problem does Vatler have? Normally Emperors are entrenched in their position to the point that it defines them.
Pretty much none.
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Despite the rocky start and Archer unknowingly pushing his buttons Satoshi does fit The Hierophant, he's old enough anyway.
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Ahahahahahah fuck no Satoshi is no hirophant.
He's like the negafool, in that he's actually the Fool, without any of the fun stuff.
EDIT:
Though the Devil fits him rather well too.
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Yukina is the Empress, Rattus is either the Hierophant or Emperor (or even both) and Neo definitely is the Devil.
And this is the part where I tell everybody that once these three had held their stable ground in the Nexus City, they'll be a combination of an item shop and mercenary shop.
Make sure you connect with them in good terms. And yes, this means Neo too.
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You can not define my characters Arch
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I can actually, when he acts far more like the Devil than the Hierophant.
Satoshi is a fucking horrible example because he's never shown wisdom, and has NEVER been logical in all of this. He's pretty clearly guided by (your) emotions.
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Alright, Magos, that's enough. Either drop the subject now, or focus on your own characters.
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I'm terrible with these cards, I don't believe any of mine would fit any of them anyway.
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Gah, I can only put one character in each arcana for this to work but it seems like everyone wants the same ones...
The definitions are broad enough that anyone with a moderately well defined personality should be able to fit into three arcana minimum.
The listed definitions are just the common points from the Persona series so they do not exactly cover every possible permutation of each arcana.
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It's because those descriptions probably aren't the best (sorry Kurogami ^^").
http://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/major-arcana/ (http://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/major-arcana/)
http://personarevelations.angelfire.com/arcana-types.html (http://personarevelations.angelfire.com/arcana-types.html)
Let's see if this helps any. :)
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Avy would be the Hierophant and Grim would be the Aeon.
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I can't work out where mine would fit, though. Any idea where you think Rider, Shirou and Sakura from 30-odd years after HF True would likely fit?
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I guess with some development Reina could fit into the Aeon arcana...
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Again, if anyone's having trouble, the links I posted might be useful, as they go into a more detailed description of each card for the former, and a more simplified version for the latter.
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I admit Satoshi was short fused and that Rin is right that he shouldn't have confronted Archer in that way (in fact he already admitted as much) but hey, it's one of his buttons and plus Rin kinda stream rolled over his intent (if she hadn't he would have said she was right immediately, btw Alice he will tell Rin as much, he just needs time to get unstuck from all the stuff going on) but Satoshi still is in line with the tarot I pointed to.
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So wow, according the biddytarot link Alice posted, the Arcana for my characters really do match, both in upright and reversed.
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Well looking into it in more detail here's what I think is a good fit:
Downy Reed: Magician, Wheel of Fortune, Judgement
Imnity: High Priestess, Justice, Temperance
Mudou: Chariot, Devil
Shezar: Hanged Man, Devil
Lobelia: Hermit, Moon
Medea: Magician, Lovers
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I've started putting character names to arcana that I am sure of so...
Yeah I can already see the headaches this is going to cause me.
OK, Fool and universe are already taken for obvious reasons.
Aeon was filled by Aigis in game so taken.
I would be willing to do death if one of you wants to have the disembodied soul of a recently dead character floating around, but otherwise Death is occupied by... Death.
And of course Devil is filled by Grigori, because it just fits.
0 The Fool- Minato
I The Magus
Characters of the Magician Arcana are, as of Persona 3, typically the first male friend (and Social Link) of the protagonist, and are typically perverted male characters. They are often the right-hand men of the protagonist.
An ongoing theme that is related to all Magician Arcana Social Links is the tragedy that befalls the social link character related to their romantic interest.
II The Priestess
Individuals associated with the Priestess Arcana are usually quiet, reserved, and very intelligent. They are often modest and shy, and won't open up to the protagonist until much later in their Social Links as compared with other characters.
III The Empress
Within the Persona universe, the Empress Arcana often belongs to women of authority or wise and motherly figures.
IV The Emperor
Within the Persona universe, characters of the Emperor Arcana are often male leaders or father figures (or both). Often times, the Emperor character is troubled by something very personal, and doesn't know how to deal with it. Typically, the King of a mythological pantheon is of the Emperor Arcana.
V The Hierophant
Characters of the Hierophant Arcana are often older than the protagonist, and are typically quite wise and logical. The most common connection between Hierophant characters, however, is their association (and obsession) with the past.
VI The Lovers
A commonality among individuals of the Lovers Arcana is their popularity and their emphasis on social interaction. Lovers characters are almost always the "popular" ones, and almost always have a canon romantic interest in the protagonist.
VII The Chariot
Characters who are of the Chariot Arcana are typically very driven individuals, who have a personal goal that they aim to achieve at any cost. It is not uncommon for Chariot characters to be short-tempered or aggressive.
VIII Adjustment
Commonly, characters of the Justice Arcana are concerned with matters of fairness, and otherwise are very stoic individuals.
IX The Hermit
Similarly, Hermit Arcana characters share the commonality of placing themselves in situations that hide them from the public eye. Hermit individuals hide away from others or act in more supportive roles rather than putting themselves in the spotlight.
X Fortune
Bearers of the Fortune Arcana are usually individuals who are aware of their fates, and attempt to seize their own destiny in spite of their seemingly-locked fates. Thus, they are typically involved with making important choices and decisions.
XI Lust / Strength
A commonality between characters of the Strength Arcana is their strength of heart. Strength characters are not upset easily and typically portray the fortitude that the Strength card represents in readings.
XII The Hanged Man
Hanged Man characters are sometimes self-sacrificial, but are more often notable for being caught between two different extremes, parties or stages in life.
XIII Death
In recent games, characters of the Death Arcana are associated directly with death, but a commonality that connects all Death Arcana characters is the cycles of change they experience.
XIV Art
Characters of the Temperance Arcana are often struggling to find a balance in their lives and in their hobbies.
XV The Devil- Grigori
Human characters associated with the Devil Arcana are often "devilish" individuals; they can be greedy, proud, lusty, or otherwise of poor character. It is not uncommon for Devil Arcana characters to have somewhat antisocial tendencies, often not caring much for the needs or well-being of others.
XVI The Tower
Human characters of the Tower Arcana can be arrogant, and typically find themselves in bad situations where they themselves have fallen from grace.
XVII The Star
Characters of the Star Arcana embody their arcana's traits of hopefulness and joy.
XVIII The Moon
Characters who are of the Moon Arcana are often similarly psychically-attuned, but a more common trend is their projection of their own fears and faults onto others (namely, the protagonist). They often tend to have trouble accepting themselves for who they are and, because of that fear, try to correspond to an ideal person.
XIX The Sun
Characters of the Sun Arcana almost always (ironically) find themselves in terrible situations, the situation betrays the underlying optimism present in nearly all of them.
XX The Aeon- Aigis
A common theme for characters representing the Aeon Arcana is their attempts to fully understand themselves, as well as the world around them. In both of the Aeon Arcana's appearances, the Social Link characters in question were unfamiliar with the way the real world works, and struggled to discover their own place in this unfamiliar world.
XXI The Universe- Minato
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Karna: Strength upright, Justice upright, Hanged Man upright
Vatler: Devil upright
La Folia: The Sun upright, Lovers upright.
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I've started putting character names to arcana that I am sure of so...
Yeah I can already see the headaches this is going to cause me.
OK, Fool and universe are already taken for obvious reasons.
Aeon was filled by Aigis in game so taken.
I would be willing to do death if one of you wants to have the disembodied soul of a recently dead character floating around, but otherwise Death is occupied by... Death.
And of course Devil is filled by Grigori, because it just fits.
0 The Fool- Minato
I The Magus
Characters of the Magician Arcana are, as of Persona 3, typically the first male friend (and Social Link) of the protagonist, and are typically perverted male characters. They are often the right-hand men of the protagonist.
An ongoing theme that is related to all Magician Arcana Social Links is the tragedy that befalls the social link character related to their romantic interest.
II The Priestess
Individuals associated with the Priestess Arcana are usually quiet, reserved, and very intelligent. They are often modest and shy, and won't open up to the protagonist until much later in their Social Links as compared with other characters.
III The Empress
Within the Persona universe, the Empress Arcana often belongs to women of authority or wise and motherly figures.
IV The Emperor
Within the Persona universe, characters of the Emperor Arcana are often male leaders or father figures (or both). Often times, the Emperor character is troubled by something very personal, and doesn't know how to deal with it. Typically, the King of a mythological pantheon is of the Emperor Arcana.
V The Hierophant
Characters of the Hierophant Arcana are often older than the protagonist, and are typically quite wise and logical. The most common connection between Hierophant characters, however, is their association (and obsession) with the past.
VI The Lovers
A commonality among individuals of the Lovers Arcana is their popularity and their emphasis on social interaction. Lovers characters are almost always the "popular" ones, and almost always have a canon romantic interest in the protagonist.
VII The Chariot
Characters who are of the Chariot Arcana are typically very driven individuals, who have a personal goal that they aim to achieve at any cost. It is not uncommon for Chariot characters to be short-tempered or aggressive.
VIII Adjustment
Commonly, characters of the Justice Arcana are concerned with matters of fairness, and otherwise are very stoic individuals.
IX The Hermit
Similarly, Hermit Arcana characters share the commonality of placing themselves in situations that hide them from the public eye. Hermit individuals hide away from others or act in more supportive roles rather than putting themselves in the spotlight.
X Fortune
Bearers of the Fortune Arcana are usually individuals who are aware of their fates, and attempt to seize their own destiny in spite of their seemingly-locked fates. Thus, they are typically involved with making important choices and decisions.
XI Lust / Strength
A commonality between characters of the Strength Arcana is their strength of heart. Strength characters are not upset easily and typically portray the fortitude that the Strength card represents in readings.
XII The Hanged Man
Hanged Man characters are sometimes self-sacrificial, but are more often notable for being caught between two different extremes, parties or stages in life.
XIII Death
In recent games, characters of the Death Arcana are associated directly with death, but a commonality that connects all Death Arcana characters is the cycles of change they experience.
XIV Art
Characters of the Temperance Arcana are often struggling to find a balance in their lives and in their hobbies.
XV The Devil- Grigori
Human characters associated with the Devil Arcana are often "devilish" individuals; they can be greedy, proud, lusty, or otherwise of poor character. It is not uncommon for Devil Arcana characters to have somewhat antisocial tendencies, often not caring much for the needs or well-being of others.
XVI The Tower
Human characters of the Tower Arcana can be arrogant, and typically find themselves in bad situations where they themselves have fallen from grace.
XVII The Star
Characters of the Star Arcana embody their arcana's traits of hopefulness and joy.
XVIII The Moon
Characters who are of the Moon Arcana are often similarly psychically-attuned, but a more common trend is their projection of their own fears and faults onto others (namely, the protagonist). They often tend to have trouble accepting themselves for who they are and, because of that fear, try to correspond to an ideal person.
XIX The Sun
Characters of the Sun Arcana almost always (ironically) find themselves in terrible situations, the situation betrays the underlying optimism present in nearly all of them.
XX The Aeon- Aigis
A common theme for characters representing the Aeon Arcana is their attempts to fully understand themselves, as well as the world around them. In both of the Aeon Arcana's appearances, the Social Link characters in question were unfamiliar with the way the real world works, and struggled to discover their own place in this unfamiliar world.
XXI The Universe- Minato
Jack and Nessa are pretty obviously Death IMO, having both caused change, and been the recipient of it, along with being, well, dead.
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So far the only character I have a good bead on in terms of mine in terms of the Arcana (besides Rin who is the Magician and Archer/Nameless Hero who is Temperance, but I doubt they'll become links, but who knows), is Mille, who would be the Chariot. That's assuming of course that she and Minato meet in the future.
...Also, I need to post in the RP, don't I? :V
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You do. We need to get your show on the road for a few things to continue.
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Vain hope for ghost of Nessa for Death
Changing Devil to Vatler cause he's a freaking sociopath and I can't fit him anywhere else.
Grigori is now Adjustment not due to any focus on fairness but because he is equally likely to save an infant from a burning building and slaughter a room full of orphans if it interests him.
0 The Fool- Minato
I The Magus
II The Priestess
III The Empress
IV The Emperor
V The Hierophant
VI The Lovers
VII The Chariot
VIII Adjustment/Justice- Grigori
IX The Hermit
X Fortune
XI Lust / Strength
XII The Hanged Man
XIII Death
XIV Art
XV The Devil- Vatler
XVI The Tower
XVII The Star
XVIII The Moon
XIX The Sun
XX The Aeon- Aigis
XXI The Universe- Minato
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Vain hope for ghost of Nessa for Death
Changing Devil to Vatler cause he's a freaking sociopath and I can't fit him anywhere else.
Grigori is now Adjustment not due to any focus on fairness but because he is equally likely to save an infant from a burning building and slaughter a room full of orphans if it interests him.
0 The Fool- Minato
I The Magus
II The Priestess
III The Empress
IV The Emperor
V The Hierophant
VI The Lovers
VII The Chariot
VIII Adjustment/Justice- Grigori
IX The Hermit
X Fortune
XI Lust / Strength
XII The Hanged Man
XIII Death
XIV Art
XV The Devil- Vatler
XVI The Tower
XVII The Star
XVIII The Moon
XIX The Sun
XX The Aeon- Aigis
XXI The Universe- Minato
She's a vampire now dude.
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Hm, I don't know which Arcana suits Lycodrake Aptera the most...maybe Fool, Chariot, Strength, Justice, or Star?
I'm really not sure.
Fool suits him in that he's still mostly innocent and naive, Chariot and Strength suit him because of his focus on control, Justice suits him because of his strong sense of morality, and Star suits him being a hopeful and "inspired" (because of Athena Nike) being.
At the same time, Persona-wise: Fool is jack of all trades - Lyco isn't. Chariot and Strength are physical attackers - Lyco is. Justice is light-based: Lyco isn't. Star is fire/heat-based and weak to ice: Lyco is.
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Just to make sure you understand the Persona context, Lyco, two people cannot have the same Arcana, so Fool is off the list.
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Just to make sure you understand the Persona context, Lyco, two people cannot have the same Arcana, so Fool is off the list.
Oh, I understand that; I'm just looking at the Arcana overall and thinking about it.
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She's a vampire now dude.
And this my friends is proof of why I should never listen to that voice that says "One more post before bed". I reread my post three times before clicking post and still managed to type the wrong name; Don't post when you're tired, you find strange things with your name on them later.
That being said vampirism is an avoidance of the inevitability of death, and thus actually disqualifies one from possessing the Death arcana in most cases.
In terms of the Persona series possessors of the Death arcana are the souls of the dead who have yet to move on for whatever reason, and beings who mediate the ending of life and the passage of the soul into the next world.
Lycodrake would likely gravitate towards the Arcana of the goddess he serves so Justice or Chariot, likely Chariot given the inherent aggressive nature of dragons.
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Lycodrake would likely gravitate towards the Arcana of the goddess he serves so Justice or Chariot, likely Chariot given the inherent aggressive nature of dragons.
This sounds about right to me, yeah.
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Having a dilemma about whether to use the original P3 cards or the thoth deck art.
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How much of a difference does it make?
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Only tarot card set I'm interested in is that in Stardust Crusaders.
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Only tarot card set I'm interested in is that in Stardust Crusaders.
It's the same one ???
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Having a dilemma about whether to use the original P3 cards or the thoth deck art.
IMO the P3 deck looks nicer.
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But Stands are superior.
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Sorry if the images I used seem a bit small, the only others I found were smaller or screenfillers.
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Images were fine. Hope I wasn't metagaming concerning Philemon and all that stuff.
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Maybe just a bit? Plus it seems more like he would have had more fun figuring it out on his own than having the answer handed to him by a plot device.
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Yes, I will edit it to be a bit more realistic.
Edit: Fixed it up.
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Since the law enforcement has proven to be ineffective you guys don't mind if Grigori "helps" them do you?
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Helping the law was my idea too
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Well, help is a nicer term for it. He's basically going to give them holy/magical weapons they can barely control and watch them go nuts with it. They will either step up their game and prove a viable threat to the weaker supernatural beings. Or they destroy themselves with their new power. Either is fine for Grigori.
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Yeah...not my plan
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Everything Grigori does is for shits and giggles. Either way it'll be amusing for him.
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I, Gilgamesh, legally portrayed by Mooncake in Cross Effects, do solemnly swear that I will not blow up all, most, or some of the city at this time.
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he's lying
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I, Gilgamesh, legally portrayed by Mooncake in Cross Effects, do solemnly swear that I will not blow up all, most, or some of the city at this time.
inb4 Enuma Elish.
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I swear it was an accident.
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I'm waiting for Elf to post to get the storyline of my second character going.
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I swear it was an accident.
There went the city.
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It's hard, being so strong. When your farts can destroy the city, you know you've got it tough.
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So what is everyone's plan to deal with all the damage and stuff going on, I mean sure mine was huge but it got stopped with little overall damage to the city, this one the other hand is just getting out of control.
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Well, there's not an awful lot we can do. The people fighting are just too strong.
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So what is everyone's plan to deal with all the damage and stuff going on, I mean sure mine was huge but it got stopped with little overall damage to the city, this one the other hand is just getting out of control.
The fight's basically over, Mil. Just gotta put up my post, and then Brahma will do his.
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I'm trying to say what are people going to do because of the fight.
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No, no, I gotcha. Just saying it's almost over, so people can more easily respond to it, is all.
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Honestly, my initial approach was "ignore it"....
It depends somewhat on what everyone else around does, though.
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In all honesty I don't think something of that magnitude can be ignored by anyone in the city. I meant, the center of the city just blew up. That's pretty noticeable, along with it raining mountains, swords, skyscrapers, and poisonous snakes.
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"There went all the buildings over there. You want to go get a sandwich?"
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Hooray for heavy handed hinting!
And me becoming self aware!
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Well Satoshi could deal with it and Minato if he were at his 120% badass.
Satoshi would be totally drained though.
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Oh god, Forest is going to want to have a talk with Gilgamesh, that's for damned sure.
Much to Lancer and even D. Archer's dismay.
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At the compound?
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I hope my heroine wanting Karna and Gilgamesh to not get away with what they did more than regretting about dying itself is a good reason for turning her. She can make fine undead ally of justice if taught properly given the resolve.
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In all honesty I don't think something of that magnitude can be ignored by anyone in the city. I meant, the center of the city just blew up. That's pretty noticeable, along with it raining mountains, swords, skyscrapers, and poisonous snakes.
Yeah, but, honestly, I don't want you guys turning the RP into a battle between everyone else and Gilgamesh/Karna....
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But that will be epic!
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It's not what I joined the RP for, though. I'm here more for character interaction and perhaps some fighting, not for a large-scale battle with guaranteed casualties.
If you want to have a massive battle then that's fine, but not everyone here does, and you shouldn't be trying to force us into one.
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I agree with Mike, despite Satoshi's strength I never batted an eye because he never was supposed to be brawler because the RP isn't for that. There was a brief period where I intend him to be a bad guy is character for the group to defeat (before mil brought bad guys o plenty to fight) but otherwise he's here to social along with the rest of the characters.
in short the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny is a waste as far as I am concerned.
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Well, I'm sorry that you don't like it. Really, I am. But the people involved in it are having fun, Kat is having fun using it as
hi her character motivation, it creates responses, etc. So, I can't really say it's a waste... though the part of the city we were fighting in surely is. Everyone seems to think this is going to keep happening over and over again - it's not. With Brahma's next post, it'll be over.
Besides, who says Gilgamesh can't be social (not to mongrels, of course)?
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Well, I'm sorry that you don't like it. Really, I am. But the people involved in it are having fun, Kat is having fun using it as hi her character motivation, it creates responses, etc. So, I can't really say it's a waste... though the part of the city we were fighting in surely is. Everyone seems to think this is going to keep happening over and over again - it's not. With Brahma's next post, it'll be over.
It's not that you're fighting, it's that you've created a situation that we more-or-less have to respond to, and which we cannot do anything about without almost certainly getting a significant proportion of the group killed (which, in turn, significantly alters and darkens future interaction). And, judging by the stuff about trying to get Toshi killed, that was deliberate. Sure, it might have been intended for Toshi (not that that makes it much better), but he is not the only person around who hates seeing people die and who wants to protect them whenever possible.
Besides, who says Gilgamesh can't be social (not to mongrels, of course)?
Yeah, but isn't everyone a "Mongrel" to him...?
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It's not that you're fighting, it's that you've created a situation that we more-or-less have to respond to, and which we cannot do anything about without almost certainly getting a significant proportion of the group killed (which, in turn, significantly alters and darkens future interaction).
Ok? I'm sorry that our social interactions and fighting are affecting your social interactions. I mean, you spoke about ignoring it before - it's not like I can force you to do anything, and I don't want to. You can react (or not react) to our fight however you want. To the second part: you can't be killed without permission, right? And besides, if you make an appointment at the main building of Golden Rule, and manage to have sufficient "credentials" (threats?) to get past the secretary, you'll find yourself face to face with a rather mild-mannered Gil. Especially now, of all times, since the fight was a good form of catharsis for him.
And, judging by the stuff about trying to get Toshi killed, that was deliberate. Sure, it might have been intended for Toshi (not that that makes it much better), but he is not the only person around who hates seeing people die and who wants to protect them whenever possible.
No, the fight between Karna and Gilgamesh was because their personalities are really different, which would (and has) led to conflict, which we thought would be cool to see. People got killed, yes, and there are characters in this RP (notably the people in the compound) who really don't like that. It's up to everyone else how they want to respond.
Yeah, but isn't everyone a "Mongrel" to him...?
This Gil is more even-tempered, you just haven't seen it because
1) Earlier today a cat peed on his favorite work sofa so he's been in a foul mood, and
2) Karna insulted him and called him a tyrant (Gil still has his massive pride)
He treats a lot of people as mongrels, but if you prove you're above his low standards for modern humans, it's easier to elevate your position in his eyes.
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I'm not worried, Satoshi has always been able to deal with this kinda fight, I just don't want to.
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Ok? I'm sorry that our social interactions and fighting are affecting your social interactions. I mean, you spoke about ignoring it before - it's not like I can force you to do anything, and I don't want to. You can react (or not react) to our fight however you want.
I guess, it's just somewhat unsatisfactory.
To the second part: you can't be killed without permission, right?
No, but there is a point where it gets a bit ridiculous to be avoiding death that you should have no chance to avoid.
And besides, if you make an appointment at the main building of Golden Rule, and manage to have sufficient "credentials" (threats?) to get past the secretary, you'll find yourself face to face with a rather mild-mannered Gil. Especially now, of all times, since the fight was a good form of catharsis for him.
Hmm, I see.
And, judging by the stuff about trying to get Toshi killed, that was deliberate. Sure, it might have been intended for Toshi (not that that makes it much better), but he is not the only person around who hates seeing people die and who wants to protect them whenever possible.
No, the fight between Karna and Gilgamesh was because their personalities are really different, which would (and has) led to conflict, which we thought would be cool to see. People got killed, yes, and there are characters in this RP (notably the people in the compound) who really don't like that. It's up to everyone else how they want to respond.
The stuff that was said on BL makes me highly suspicious of this statement, though. Why say you were making a plan to kill Toshi if it's not true?
Yeah, but isn't everyone a "Mongrel" to him...?
This Gil is more even-tempered, you just haven't seen it because
1) Earlier today a cat peed on his favorite work sofa so he's been in a foul mood, and
2) Karna insulted him and called him a tyrant (Gil still has his massive pride)
He treats a lot of people as mongrels, but if you prove you're above his low standards for modern humans, it's easier to elevate your position in his eyes.
I see....
Well, I would expect most of my characters would not be at the level of "normal human". Rider is a fallen goddess, and the rest are powerful magi who don't just stand idly by and watch things happen.
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Any one here good at healing?, my guy is carrying survivors and will need some help to ensure they live.
The start was fighting AU!Vampire! Funny Valentine if you didn't get that.
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Satoshi is both a certified medical practitioner and a super magic healer, it's kinda his mo Gray.
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Minato is going to do his messiah thing and bring some salvation.
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I don't want to be "healed", I wanna be a vampire. :p
Besides, everyone not willing to engage in battles can just ignore them and handwave to be in safe distance. More combat oriented people can have fun too.
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Satoshi is both a certified medical practitioner and a super magic healer, it's kinda his mo Gray.
Is he near the rubble. I need to get to someone stat as my ripple can only extend their lives so much.
Also really man what can't your OC do? Why wasn't he saving people if he could do that man?
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Besides, everyone not willing to engage in battles can just ignore them and handwave to be in safe distance. More combat oriented people can have fun too.
In general, sure, but it's kind-of difficult to ignore it when a) the battle has destroyed half the city and b) you actually care about people other than yourself.
Is he near the rubble. I need to get to someone stat as my ripple can only extend their lives so much.
He's in the compound, so probably not (since if the compound were close we'd surely have reacted by now).
Also really man what can't your OC do? Why wasn't he saving people if he could do that man?
Because the battle probably lasted about 15 seconds real-time, and Satoshi is not even outside. Literally no-one in the compound has reacted to it just yet.
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Also really man what can't your OC do?
Just a man
With a man's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a man
And he can never fail
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I don't want to be "healed", I wanna be a vampire. :p
Just play with the timing then, whenever you become a vampire just say that my spell hit after that. Alternatively say that you were more than 10KM off from the impact crater, and thus out of my max range.
In general, sure, but it's kind-of difficult to ignore it when a) the battle has destroyed half the city and b) you actually care about people other than yourself.
Isn't the city supposed to be the size of a small country?
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Because the battle probably lasted about 15 seconds real-time, and Satoshi is not even outside. Literally no-one in the compound has reacted to it just yet.
That's an odd estimate. Sure, they're super fast, but Karna and Gil were trading blows and beating on each other for a bit still. At least a few minutes.
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As mike says gray, Satoshi is in the compound, this shit just happened like five minutes ago, he has no knowledge of it
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Better hold your horses and wait for me and Elf to get done with siring.
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Because the battle probably lasted about 15 seconds real-time, and Satoshi is not even outside. Literally no-one in the compound has reacted to it just yet.
More like 5-8 minutes. Maybe a little less.
I see....
Well, I would expect most of my characters would not be at the level of "normal human". Rider is a fallen goddess, and the rest are powerful magi who don't just stand idly by and watch things happen.
Well, if they manage to do it right (and have a little luck), Gil will tolerate their presence, in his way. Gotta remind everyone they they're below the King, after fall.
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Better hold your horses and wait for me and Elf to get done with siring.
Are you taking to me Kat? You can say that you were really far gone and since I'm shit healer when it comes to the ripple I decided to cut my losses and save whoever I thought could be. I just grabbed whoever I could and am trying to get other people to help. You will be missed by my guy.
Yo Kuro were you within proximity to crater?
I could get help from you to do some of the healing if you have that capability. Also it would be good contact as you are within the proximity of another person of another universe and I can get the infodump on this city's situation.
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It's not what I joined the RP for, though. I'm here more for character interaction and perhaps some fighting, not for a large-scale battle with guaranteed casualties.
If you want to have a massive battle then that's fine, but not everyone here does, and you shouldn't be trying to force us into one.
If you dont want to participate, then don't, no one is forcing you. All I ask is that Satoshi doesnt step in with his super healing and retcons all the damage (plus theres not exactly many citizens to save, we turned a 10 kilometer-ish radius of the city center to smoldering ash, I'd assume most of them are now being part of that ash). Plus we kinda established that he can't resurrect the dead.
Plus, both Karna and Gil can easily fund whatever repairs are neccesary.
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The fact that you just turned a 10 km radius of the City Centre into ash means that pretty much no-one with any morality (or sense of self-preservation...) can just ignore you. We might not OOCly want to respond, but ICly it's difficult not to.
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Then respond without fighting, it's not like you have to fight us now.
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Honestly Satoshi can't res the dead, however I was not planning on that. Given the situation his response would be significantly different.
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Good. It would feel cheap if you simply retconned all the damage we did.
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Oh he could, reverse the physical damage to the city that is. That would not be cost or time effective however.
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I spawned at the rim. There enough survivors there?
Also Kat you can just say you were at the opposite side of the crater.
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Oh he could, reverse the physical damage to the city that is. That would not be cost or time effective however.
He can reverse the damage to buildings that have been reduced to dust and rubble?
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Oh he could, reverse the physical damage to the city that is. That would not be cost or time effective however.
How does that even work?
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He gives up his immunity to the Elements for a set amount of time and is able to use the protection to restore the damage to the earth, the buildings would be gone but it would restore the natural materials present.
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Was that in your sheet? I don't mean to be rude, just asking.
Immunity to the elements: Satoshi is immune to all the elements, such as fire, water etcetera. However, this is due to a spiritual tie of communion with nature and should he anger the spirits he will have the immunity revoked until compensation is made. He is not immune to sneak attacks and the like, but his connection makes him more aware of the area around him and makes it harder to succeed in sneak attacking him.
Guess not. Oh well, I suppose it wouldn't be the first time that you've fleshed out your Character Sheet from its humble origins.
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Didn't mention it because it's a side effect of releasing the tie, I never planned on releasing the tie. Likely won't even now, it leaves him too vulnerable given the ridiculous company around.
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He's not really vunerable, Karna and Gil are dead as shit right now.
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I think that probably more than a hundred people are dead, Kuro. Still, I appreciate the touch with the tunnels that you put in about Golden Rule. Makes them seem more human :D
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Let's see I believe I am waiting on Alice and Daiki to post for my stuff.
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You should post first, Mil. I'll go with what you decide.
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Holla holla get $$$$$$
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I think that probably more than a hundred people are dead, Kuro. Still, I appreciate the touch with the tunnels that you put in about Golden Rule. Makes them seem more human :D
Am fairly certain we killed at least a dozen thousand or so. 10 kilometer radius is a lot of people.
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Rin might be getting a present from Dark Archer then, with the rain of gemstones going on.
He'd probably be the one who wouldn't care that a bunch of people just died due to Karna and Gil's manly fight, but then he's sort of corrupted right now. Lancer's going to be pissed he missed it and didn't get to join in. He also wouldn't care about the death toll either. Ah, ancient peoples, how you give zero fucks at massive death tolls amuses me.
Also, Brah, does, "Let me tend for your wounds?" become short hand to, "I'm gonna stick it in you?"
Because, come on, that fight was filled with some of the gayest subtext ever.
Kat, I want to let you know, Ash siring Ellen will keep her out for a bout a day. It's not instant like apparently the WoD changing is. (Think like Buffy, they get turned and wake up the next day.)
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I understand, it's not like rules are constant. My first RP experience with vampires was Warhammer Fantasy, and the change is not instantenous either. It takes from few hours to few days, depending on various factors.
Chris is all about gay subtext. I think he is closeted XD
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Also, Brah, does, "Let me tend for your wounds?" become short hand to, "I'm gonna stick it in you?"
>>>>Masseur: The first and most key principle of the art of Kalaripayattu is that one must be able to heal all the damage one does with the art. This manifests in the use of oil massage to relieve joint stress and muscle pressure. During the Age of Gods, where mere words could become spells, masters of the art were able to draw mana in the air into the person they were massaging, rapidly closing their wounds.
So yay for naked oil massage magic.
Blame Hindu myth for being really bromantic
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That's not only Hindu myths, bro. What about the thing you did to Astolfo in the anonquest? :D
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Astolfo is actually a grill, everyone knows that.
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Again, denial.
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Kat, I want to let you know, Ash siring Ellen will keep her out for a bout a day. It's not instant like apparently the WoD changing is. (Think like Buffy, they get turned and wake up the next day.)
Erm, at the speed we're going at, that means about a year in real time....
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Localised Time-skip.
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Waiting on Mil or Daiki, I guess.
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Introducing the female aspect, who in her own way is even more twisted than normal Grigori.
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Did Grigori seriously use the souls of the murdered to sustain Karna?
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He did.
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Whelp he's a monster far as my characters are concerned, also Karna too but he was already on there for the pointless massacre.
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There was no pointless massacre. It was acceptable accidental collateral damage.
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Did Grigori seriously use the souls of the murdered to sustain Karna?
Yep. Karna is interesting and the commoners aren't. Sacrificing what he considers pawns to keep a premium source of entertainment is a perfectly acceptable exchange.
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Yeah, no sorry but imma hafta cut you off there. Gilgamesh and Karna are 110% bad guys and slaughtered thousands all for the sake of a dick measuring competition.
this isn't like the bit in the alley where every side had a point. They are evil, at least socially speaking
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Gilgamesh and Karna are 110% bad guys and slaughtered thousands all for the sake of a dick measuring competition.
>Lawful Good
>Chaotic Good
They're good guys. My logic is flawless.
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The thing about Karna and Gil (especially Gil), is that they see absolutely nothing wrong with their actions in this case.
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Grigori honestly doesn't care. In his eyes it was a good and fair exchange.
"Humans are a renewable resource. If I can sacrifice a few hundred to save an interesting one I will."
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The thing about Karna and Gil (especially Gil), is that they see absolutely nothing wrong with their actions in this case.
Yeah, and that is also true of most of the people we consider as being in the list of the most evil people in history. I don't think it really absolves them one bit.
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There's a difference between a thousand faceless fictional mooks in an RP and Hitler, Mike. I'd like you to keep that in mind.
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Not really, because I'm judging the character (who is inside the story, and thus lacks that moral distinction) and not the person writing him. Writing a character who does evil things does not make you evil, but the character himself certainly is.
Obviously, yes, there is still a difference in scale and intent, but my point is that saying "they didn't think it was wrong" is not a defence when it quite obviously is.
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And?
Law eats souls as well, because sending them on isn't always an option. Is he evil? Besides, without a body, what use is a soul? Why spare the dead when the living can use them?
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Discussing morality at Chinese porn games forums. Irony.
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Wrong is wrong, eating souls, yeah, that's wrong, murder of thousands, wrong. They can justify it however they like, it's still wrong morally and socially.
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And?
Law eats souls as well, because sending them on isn't always an option. Is he evil? Besides, without a body, what use is a soul? Why spare the dead when the living can use them?
I'm talking more about Karna and Gil than Grigori, really. Grigori has already made his lack of morality pretty clear, though....
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>Lawful Good
>Chaotic Good
They're good guys. My logic is flawless.
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Wrong is wrong
(http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2178890-youdontsay.jpg)
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Besides, Gil is the law. Anything he does is lawful and morally correct.
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Wrong is wrong, eating souls, yeah, that's wrong, murder of thousands, wrong. They can justify it however they like, it's still wrong morally and socially.
How is it wrong? Please explain how it's wrong lantz.
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To be fair it isn't like Grigori didn't have the mana to pull it off. He just didn't want to waste it when there were thousands of souls to fuel the spell for him. So you could say that action was evil to a few people. Grigori himself doesn't see anything wrong with it.
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Wrong is wrong, eating souls, yeah, that's wrong, murder of thousands, wrong. They can justify it however they like, it's still wrong morally and socially.
Morality differs with individuals. Even more so when you get some guys from different verses.
You're only saying it's wrong based on your own moral scale. You don't think about how some characters might view it differently.
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Besides, Gil is the law. Anything he does becomes the truth of the universe.
FTFY
Also, haven't you read Grigori's sheet? It's not like Umbra hasn't already shown what Grigori is like. Not everybody is going to aim for a world of love and sunshine.
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^This so much though. He wants revenge so he slaughters a kingdom of thousands and sells their souls to demon lords for a cage to trap the Death God. He wasn't a nice guy when he was mortal and he sure as hell isn't one now that he's divine and in a city full of playthings.
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I don't care about the characters Daiki. Murder is against the law in the nexus, murder is against the law in FSN socially and morally that makes it wrong. Senseless death is wrong, they are the bad guys here. They do everything that objectively defines a bad guys. In character justification does not excuse wholesale slaughter of innocent people.
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I don't care about the characters Daiki.
Well, that explains a lot.
Murder is against the law in the nexus
We've never established the law in Nexus City
murder is against the law in FSN socially and morally that makes it wrong.
The answer given to us in HF, "Is killing always a sin, no matter what?" was no.
Senseless death is wrong, they are the bad guys here. They do everything that objectively defines a bad guys.
Accidental collateral damage.
In character justification does not excuse wholesale slaughter of innocent people.
Accidental collateral damage. At least we had the courtesy to address the murders. How many unmentioned people do you think Satoshi's castle, that "dwarfed skyscrapers", killed when it appeared?
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Zero Brah because Satoshi intentionally chose an abandoned part of the city.
and no people are not acceptable collateral damage, such a view is offensive.
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But it's important to understand a character's thought process to get why they behave like they do. (At least, if you're a minimum interested in the RP)
I'm not telling it's fine to slaughter nor harvest people's souls. (My opinion as a player is irrelevant) I'm telling you that your morality(or your character's for that matter) might not apply to a character. This is the same as when people said earlier that Gil (and perhaps Karna) won't acknowledge doing something wrong if you get pissed at them for it.
Murder is against the law in the nexus
So is having too much tentacles.
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and no people are not acceptable collateral damage, such a view is offensive.
Every character not defined by someone in the RP is a faceless grey mook with no personality and no purpose but to be a number. Unless that somehow makes me racist towards grey people, there's nothing offensive about my opinion.
Also it was an accident. They got in the way.
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I don't care about the characters Daiki. Murder is against the law in the nexus, murder is against the law in FSN socially and morally that makes it wrong. Senseless death is wrong, they are the bad guys here. They do everything that objectively defines a bad guys. In character justification does not excuse wholesale slaughter of innocent people.
>Murder is socially and morally wrong
I could actually argue the contrary, when it comes to certain kinds of killings. Revenge killings and blood feuds are considered honorable by most cultures, even if the law says otherwise. For that matter, if you define one human as killing another human, that line of what is murder becomes even more sketchy, because what about killing someone by accident? Is that as horrible as this supposed awful 'murder' is? What about duels of honor? What about war?
You can't say 'murder is always wrong' without being a massive damn hypocrite.
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I know war vets Arch, they are the ones who believe most strongly murder is wrong regardless if it is justified. So yes, murder is always wrong, regardless of the justification.
@Daiki: I'm not arguing perspectives, I'm speaking objectively.
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@Daiki: I'm not arguing perspectives, I'm speaking objectively.
Stop using objective RL logic for actions caused by fictional characters in an RP. That's we told you to begin with. We're specifically arguing that to them, nothing that they've done might seem wrong to them. If you wanna argue objective morality then study jury instead of arguing about fictional characters on the internet.
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Once again, that's a relative thing.
But that comes to the point of accidentally killing someone again, is that wrong? You did commit, by your definition murder. Should they be held accountable because they didn't intend to cause the death of someone? And for that matter, there's plenty of soldiers who don't view the same way Lantz. I have proof because I'm on the internet and I can say such things.
Plus, you're forgetting cultures where murder IS acceptable in cases - blood feuds and honor killings are a thing Lantz. You can't say murder is always wrong if it is also right.
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and no people are not acceptable collateral damage, such a view is offensive.
Every character not defined by someone in the RP is a faceless grey mook with no personality and no purpose but to be a number. Unless that somehow makes me racist towards grey people, there's nothing offensive about my opinion.
Also it was an accident. They got in the way.
They might be to us, but in-story they are just as real as people living in the any real-world city are to us. You don't have to care about what happens to them, but characters in the RP certainly should, and characters who will happily kill hundreds of people as collateral in a fight that they didn't have to have are definitely highly morally suspect.
@Daiki: I'm not arguing perspectives, I'm speaking objectively.
Stop using objective RL logic for actions caused by fictional characters in an RP. That's we told you to begin with. We're specifically arguing that to them, nothing that they've done might seem wrong to them. If you wanna argue objective morality then study jury instead of arguing about fictional characters on the internet.
Just because they are fictional characters, it doesn't mean that you can't make moral statements about their actions. There is nothing wrong with writing characters doing things like this, but the character can still legitimately be condemned for it, especially by other characters in the RP.
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Yes, but being condemned for an action doesn't mean that action is in fact immoral or wrong.
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Or that your real-life morality should affect how your characters react, or how their morality should be defined in series.
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Yes, but being condemned for an action doesn't mean that action is in fact immoral or wrong.
Perhaps not, but being willing to kill hundreds of people just to settle a petty grudge is very definitely immoral.
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Yes, but being condemned for an action doesn't mean that action is in fact immoral or wrong.
but being willing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident)
Also there was no petty grudge.
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Perhaps. If you used this argument against Grigori he would question the worth of those masses.
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Or that your real-life morality should affect how your characters react, or how their morality should be defined in series.
Yes, that is entirely true (Rider notably won't care as long as her family is safe from it). But, I don't think anyone here is arguing that what you did doesn't make sense in the story, we're just saying it is very definitely not morally justified.
Yes, but being condemned for an action doesn't mean that action is in fact immoral or wrong.
but being willing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident)
Also there was no petty grudge.
Yeah, sorry, but calling it an "accident" when you flattened a large chunk of the city is just absurd. They clearly knew that their actions would kill people, even if it wasn't the specific intention.
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Enough. It doesn't matter if you think it's immoral or not. It doesn't matter if any of us think this is immoral or not. It matters what our characters think, and while your characters may think it is immoral, our (Karna and Gil) characters do not. This conversation doesn't even really have a point. Everyone knows the morality of their own characters already, so show it to others in the RP.
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Mike do I need to spell out what "accident" means to you before you understand?
An accident, mishap, or, more archaically, misadventure, is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention.
Even if the casualties were caused by them, they were a happening that happened as an extension of something else.
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Yeah, but I'm not sure you can really call flattening a large portion of the city centre an "accident", and even if killing the people was not strictly intended, they were so negligent that it may as well have been.
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It wasn't an accident to flatten Gil and the city center. It was an accident that it killed people.
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It wasn't an accident to flatten Gil and the city center. It was an accident that it killed people.
How does that work? Surely he noticed all the people walking around and living in the buildings....
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I can't believe two guys that strong accidentally killed people. Incidentally perhaps but accidentally not a chance.
they knew what would happen.
as for the issue, everyone is the hero of their own story. However, objectively, these guys are monsters.
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However, objectively, these guys are monsters.
Yet Karna is known as the noblest man in all of Hindu myth and as the "Saint of Generosity", so I doubt that is the case.
People have become heroes by killing others more times than I can count to, if you deny that, you deny all of history.
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People have become heroes by killing others more times than I can count to, if you deny that, you deny all of history.
Yeah, most heroes are hailed as such because of how many they killed or what/who they killed.
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Objectively they're still heroes. To you, they might be monsters, but from an unbiased perspective they're two hyperpowerful beings who happened to think that the center of the city was an appropriate battle ground for their clash of the titans. Probably stupid, but they aren't evil, like you seem to think anyone who kills is. Morality is not black and white, there's lots of greys.
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Whatever Arch. Think what you want, I know they are bad guys.
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To you, they are. To other characters they aren't. It's as simple as that.
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No actually Magos is 100% on the money. If you want to try and say otherwise with your faux-messianic mindset, then go ahead, just know that no one except you and maybe Mike thinks you're right.
To you, they are. To other characters they aren't. It's as simple as that.
Literally this, but with more insults.
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Objectively they're still heroes. To you, they might be monsters, but from an unbiased perspective they're two hyperpowerful beings who happened to think that the center of the city was an appropriate battle ground for their clash of the titans. Probably stupid, but they aren't evil, like you seem to think anyone who kills is. Morality is not black and white, there's lots of greys.
Honestly, I don't buy that, because they can't possibly have have the fight and not known they were killing people.
No actually Magos is 100% on the money. If you want to try and say otherwise with your faux-messianic mindset, then go ahead, just know that no one except you and maybe Mike thinks you're right.
Sorry, but they are only "heroes" in the very broad sense of "someone who does important things". They're certainly not heroes in the modern sense, and they're definitely not good guys.
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No actually Magos is 100% on the money. If you want to try and say otherwise with your faux-messianic mindset, then go ahead, just know that no one except you and maybe Mike thinks you're right.
Sorry, but they are only "heroes" in the very broad sense of "someone who does important things". They're certainly not heroes in the modern sense, and they're definitely not good guys.
People in the Iraq War have been hailed as heroes for killing people, Mike, the word has not changed meaning. I'll repeat myself just once.
Yet Karna is known as the noblest man in all of Hindu myth and as the "Saint of Generosity", so I doubt that is the case.
People have become heroes by killing others more times than I can count to, if you deny that, you deny all of history.
Whichever RL-person Karna was based on (some that lived somewhere between 900 and 5300BC) led a war campaign that put all of Asia under his dominion (IE, he was Genghis Khan before it was cool), yet was still hailed as the greatest and noblest man in the Epic.
Vlad the Impaler killed 120000 people and set most of those on pikes, but he is indisputably the greatest hero Romania ever saw.
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Honestly, I don't buy that, because they can't possibly have have the fight and not known they were killing people.
Do you notice the ants that you trod underfoot? Of course not. They're the same way. Compared to them, everyone else is an ant. Why notice an ant?
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No actually Magos is 100% on the money. If you want to try and say otherwise with your faux-messianic mindset, then go ahead, just know that no one except you and maybe Mike thinks you're right.
Sorry, but they are only "heroes" in the very broad sense of "someone who does important things". They're certainly not heroes in the modern sense, and they're definitely not good guys.
People in the Iraq War have been hailed as heroes for killing people, Mike, the word has not changed meaning. I'll repeat myself just once.
Sure, but not for killing random bystanders.
The word is used differently now. Killing people can still make you a hero, yeah, but only generally killing people who are seen as enemies. Killing a whole bunch of random bystanders in the process definitely disqualifies you.
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Honestly, I don't buy that, because they can't possibly have have the fight and not known they were killing people.
Do you notice the ants that you trod underfoot? Of course not. They're the same way. Compared to them, everyone else is an ant. Why notice an ant?
Or, to put it with more style, "Do you know how many breads you've eaten in your life?"
I put it quite clearly in Karna's thoughts that loss of human life has become so routine to him that he cannot really be affected by it anymore.
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And Gilgamesh is... well, he's Gilgamesh. I really can't put it much better than how Arch said it, I suppose.
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I evaluate it based on current views of heroes, they are not heroes, they are killers who killed in the name of dick measuring. I'm not applying the character's thoughts to this because every well written character believes themselves good to some degree.
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Do you notice the ants that you trod underfoot? Of course not. They're the same way. Compared to them, everyone else is an ant. Why notice an ant?
This is basically it Lantz. If you were in a fight with someone would you focus on them, or make sure not to step on every anthill near you?
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Am just gonna give up this argument because lantz will pull some new stupid shit (Like how he supposedly knows multiple vets or that there's an established "modern view of heroes") out of his Mountain Dew-crusted fedora until I tear my hair out in rage.
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I evaluate it based on current views of heroes, they are not heroes, they are killers who killed in the name of dick measuring. I'm not applying the character's thoughts to this because every well written character believes themselves good to some degree.
You are naive, Lantz. Do you realize how many heroes killed tons of people to do their job? Like Sherman pillaging the South to put the end to the Civil War, or Henry H. Arnold who firebombed German cities to crush Third Reich's spirit?
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Not heroes, not objectively. They are only heroes in a national sense.
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National sens-whuh? Like what the fuck does that even mean. Are you trying to loophole your way through the term "National hero", because such a hero is still a hero.
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Villains to Nazis and slave owners, heroes to the Free World.
And there is no objective definition of hero, if you claim otherwise you are pretentious. Because one's hero is other's villain.
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Doctors, paramedics, firemen rl, superman etcetera fictionally. All heroes.
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Minus the last one, merely people with a job.
Also good to know that's why you slapped those jobs on your faux-messiah SI
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Brah, Moon and co: discussing morality applied to their characters and said characters' individual standpoints
Lantz: trying to pin arbitrary judgements of general morality and apply them to the RP and the characters within
You lot were having two different conversations from the start. I suggest you desist now, for everyone's benefit. XD
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desist
Bad lingustic habit, -1 point from me.
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Never been a self insert Brah, not that you actually pay attention.
sure YOLF, np.
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desist
Bad lingustic habit, -1 point from me.
I pick up odd expressions and do strange adaptations from my own tongue to english sometimes. I think I can be forgiven for this, given it's not my first language.
What's wrong with "desist" anyways? I actually have no idea.
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Desist is an archaism, and given that the legal language, my field of speciality, is rife with such words, I combat them like a plague they are. My whole MA thesis is basically pamphlet against such habits. I even participated in international conference presenting a paper on a topic of bad mannerisms and quirks.
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I evaluate it based on current views of heroes, they are not heroes, they are killers who killed in the name of dick measuring. I'm not applying the character's thoughts to this because every well written character believes themselves good to some degree.
You are naive, Lantz. Do you realize how many heroes killed tons of people to do their job? Like Sherman pillaging the South to put the end to the Civil War, or Henry H. Arnold who firebombed German cities to crush Third Reich's spirit?
I wouldn't call either of them (especially the second) a "hero".
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Mike put aside your stupid pacifist morality for a moment and consider that without people like Henry H. Arnold, Hitler would have won the war and become a hero.
The victor gets to write history, that's why Hitler has the reputation he has now; because he lost.
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Desist is an archaism, and given that the legal language, my field of speciality, is rife with such words, I combat them like a plague they are. My whole MA thesis is basically pamphlet against such habits. I even participated in international conference presenting a paper on a topic of bad mannerisms and quirks.
Ah, I see. I can understand that then.
I like archaisms though! Isn't it fine if they're not being used as technical terms?
That said, I'm all for the advancement of language too.
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>Sherman not a hero
Are you serious? He's the reason the Civil War ended far faster than it would have only with the Anaconda plan. He went as harsh as he did (and caused a shitload of damage as his army confiscated all property that could be used for the war-effort) because he wanted to end the war as fast as possible. Sherman is a hero because he did what he viewed (correctly) the best way to shut the confederacy down - kick it in the soft stomach until it cried for mercy. His March to the Sea also cut the Confederacy in half as the seige of Vicksburg did as well. It practically killed any chance of any conceivable victory for the rebels.
He even refused to run for political office after he retired from the military. Dude was a stand up individual who deserves his reputation as a hardass but intelligent and very very needed commander.
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Mike put aside your stupid pacifist morality for a moment and consider that without people like Henry H. Arnold, Hitler would have won the war and become a hero.
No, he wouldn't have. There was no need to firebomb German cities to win the war.
The victor gets to write history, that's why Hitler has the reputation he has now; because he lost.
No, Hitler has the reputation he has now because he murdered millions of people.
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As YOLF suggested I'm not continuing the discussion. Far as I'm concerned they aren't objectively heroes.
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An "objective hero" doesn't exist, so you'd be right, now lets stop this stupid discussion.
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No, he wouldn't have. There was no need to firebomb German cities to win the war.
Pleaae explain how we would have won World War 2 without bombing the cities of our supremacist, bomb-crazy (i.e The bombings of Britain and France, for example)mass-murdering enemies.
The victor gets to write history, that's why Hitler has the reputation he has now; because he lost.
No, Hitler has the reputation he has now because he murdered millions of people.
Yeah, the reputation he has now. If he had won WW2, we would be seeing a different, white-washed version of history. One where, in other words, Hitler was a savior who purified Europe from those who would defile it (i.e. Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.).
But yeah, this isn't the place for this discussion. We can take it to P/VMs, if you want.
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If Alice wanted to post so we could get that side of things moving that would be great, at this rate my other group is just gonna meet up with them before they can even do anything.
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pacifist morality
His morality is idiosyncratic and contradictory because I noticed his post somewhere on BL about how looting property is not really harming people. So from that moment on I have not treated any of his talk on morality seriously.
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Doctors, paramedics, firemen rl, superman etcetera fictionally. All heroes.
O-kaaay...
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Does Nietzschean Ubermensch count too?
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Honestly, I don't buy that, because they can't possibly have have the fight and not known they were killing people.
Do you notice the ants that you trod underfoot? Of course not. They're the same way. Compared to them, everyone else is an ant. Why notice an ant?
Ants are people.
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Unfortunately, I can't just copy-paste my google doc without a special app, so I'm just posting a link to it here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EKH3hQAtprSaRvdlT58ISG-kg8_Q6pgyU0lvhbbcxkc/edit (ftp://docs.google.com/document/d/1EKH3hQAtprSaRvdlT58ISG-kg8_Q6pgyU0lvhbbcxkc/edit)
I did not put in as much detail as Elissa with these, however.
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If Alice wanted to post so we could get that side of things moving that would be great, at this rate my other group is just gonna meet up with them before they can even do anything.
Hopefully I'll post fairly soon-ish. It's just been busy/exhausting between all the forum stuff and IRL stuff, and tomorrow is going to be the same way. I'll do what I can, it's just... well, it's been an interesting time of things as of late.
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Alright no problem, I just don't want us to get too far behind is all.
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Unfortunately, I can't just copy-paste my google doc without a special app, so I'm just posting a link to it here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EKH3hQAtprSaRvdlT58ISG-kg8_Q6pgyU0lvhbbcxkc/edit (ftp://docs.google.com/document/d/1EKH3hQAtprSaRvdlT58ISG-kg8_Q6pgyU0lvhbbcxkc/edit)
I did not put in as much detail as Elissa with these, however.
the app is free and takes 5 seconds to download.
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So, once we get everyone into the compound again, I might have to GM rule a little time skip to catch up with the Gil and Karna's Incredibly Homoerotic Battle.
Admittedly, the time skip is like five hours at the most so it's not too bad.
I'll just wait until we get everyone back into the compound first.
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Well, a time skip is necessary for my second character unless I should narrate what is going in her head during the transformation.
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I am working on my post, it is just taking awhile for reasons beyond me.
EDIT:
Post up, raised death toll statement. It is not higher in my eyes because if they (Golden Rule) could not manage THAT, they would not be worthy to serve the king even on the meager level that they do.
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Contemplating whether to try a lower level spell gem or just say fuck it and nuke the thing.
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Nuking is always a good solution.
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Nuking is always a good solution.
It's the only way to be sure.
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I used mudo, because I figured that the city had seen enough mass destruction for one day without me contributing some more to it.
Also because I want the first Persona evocation to be a really impressive one.
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Lantz? This is pure metaknowledge you're using here.
Satoshi's previous reactions to attack were activation of armor.
For that matter jesus christ you moron you started on fucking FIRE IN FRONT OF TWO KINDRED.
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This has nothing to do with you arch, in short desist and deal with your own business.
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It has to do with me as you've been proven to metagame in the past a lot.
You've done this behavior before, and being an ass about it isn't making me any less inclined to call you out on your bullshit
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It has nothing to do with you. I'm am not metagaming, desist your name calling Arch.
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It has nothing to do with you. I'm am not metagaming, desist your name calling Arch.
>not metagaming
>picking one of the specific two things that symbiotes are known to be weak to and covering yourself in a magical version of it instead of doing what you did the last couplehundred times that things threatened you, and also somehow choosing this when you have no idea what it is IC, which is metagaming
Fucking pick one lantz
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Satoshi is notably slower so he used the fastest response available. Not metagaming.
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Why won't you accept Grim's embrace Lantz ;_;.
It just wants to be loved.
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Four reasons
1) grim is black ooze, Angra is as well so the immediate reaction is from that.
2) Satoshi is an avid comics fan, he knows what the symbiotic alien is and what they do
3) Jumping a host while direct is hostile Gray, Satoshi doesn't exactly let people hit him
4) power ganking especially given the sheer number of bad guys round isn't exactly what I'd prefer, I'd like my characters to remain unique.
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5) speshul shnauwfhlake
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2) Satoshi is an avid comics fan, he knows what the symbiotic alien is and what they do
So he just sees black goo flying at him and immediately recognizes it as a symbiote from a comic?
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So since hes infinity years old and both a fan of anime and comics, I should just assume that he knows everyone's powers because they might appear in some comic or anime in some alternate universe in some indefinite number of years. Glad we came to an agreement.
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No Umbra, he thought it was Angra but since Angra is still struggling on the ground he changed his theory and the only other black sludge he knows is venom, plus he was informed that the hulk was seen in the area prior.
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I've been away, but I should be able to respond to Milbunk before the day is over.
2) Satoshi is an avid comics fan, he knows what the symbiotic alien is and what they do
So meta-gaming.
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No lyco
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No, in a scenario like this it pretty much is metagaming.
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Thats literally metagaming, I'm calling in Elf for this. It's not like you're not infamous for metagaming in RP's before.
http://pastebin.com/zpDhjQDf (http://pastebin.com/zpDhjQDf)
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literally 3 years ago wtf
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No Umbra, he thought it was Angra but since Angra is still struggling on the ground he changed his theory and the only other black sludge he knows is venom, plus he was informed that the hulk was seen in the area prior.
The Hulk is in this RP?
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never forgive, never forget.
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Satoshi used meta-knowledge to not only attack a symbiote with fire, but also recognized it as a symbiote in the first place.
It could've been RE5's Uroboros for all Satoshi could know.
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Could've been Uroboros, could've been PARIAH's Blacklight, could've been Armus from Star Trek, could've been really concentrated Seithr from BlazBlue, but nope, it was a symbiote lifeform that resembles those from a Spider-Man comic, and Satoshi somehow knew this.
If this isn't metagaming, then I don't know what is.
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It could've been an unnaturally colored Grimer or Muk or even a Ditto, neither of which are especially weak to Fire.
So this all points to meta-gaming.
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Yeah, there's no way that Toshi's going to know that this was a Symbiote.
Attacking it with fire I can see. The knight dude things weren't even there, so he couldn't call on them to defend.
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No lyco
Edit: I am getting really sick of being ignored, i already explained what he thought a page back. I'm not cool with being put on simply because I'm not getting ganked. Seriously not fucking meta gaming, the symbiote attacked the same way angra did earlier in the RP.
as for the fire thing. Ninjas can't grab you when you're on fire. A defense against everything but lava men is a good default.
and again the hulk's been around, i know it's been a while but grim doesn't have the about face virus so the recoil from the flames is an identifier
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>Ninja's can't grab you if you're on fire
On the contrary, they can. There's a lot of things that can go through fire.
>Getting ganked
You aren't getting geeked moron. You're being assimilated. Very different. For that matter, if someone really wanted to geek you you're fucked, and I almost did that with Raul because you acted like a dumb shit.
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Ok, time to crank out Gil, then hopefully Wanderer post.
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Elf, the suspense is killing me! *jokes*
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Gray, Avdol can't see Mordred and Lycodrake right now.
Arch, update when
Lyco, you're next
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Lyco, you're next
Short post, but Milbunk offered to add mine to his and I declined; no worries about it. XP
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Sorry I missed that.
Could I have that interaction happen after brief timeskip of when you have revealed yourselves?
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Yeah, well Satoshi does think that it's the alien costume because only Angra and the costume look like black masses (that he knows of) although he admits he might be wrong thanks to the magic
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(http://i.imgur.com/CbWXwNv.jpg)
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I'm a bit confused, a fire storm isn't a wall, it's a cyclone of fire, it's constantly moving. I'm not sure how Grim made a hole in it, further while syms aren't easily tired I'm not sure it wouldn't be put out by the use of it's skills in this way.
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Four reasons
1) grim is black ooze, Angra is as well so the immediate reaction is from that.
2) Satoshi is an avid comics fan, he knows what the symbiotic alien is and what they do
3) Jumping a host while direct is hostile Gray, Satoshi doesn't exactly let people hit him
4) power ganking especially given the sheer number of bad guys round isn't exactly what I'd prefer, I'd like my characters to remain unique.
While I can let reasons one and three go. Reasons 2 and 4 are purely meta.
Also what do you even mean power ganking? The power ganking thing isn't really a too often piece of lore and I mainly added it to my character. There is no way your character can lose anything and I only take what you use while I'm bonded. I enhance it and give you decent powers.
Yeah, well Satoshi does think that it's the alien costume because only Angra and the costume look like black masses (that he knows of) although he admits he might be wrong thanks to the magic
Yeah. I could claim that my character is an uber weeabo and discover the identities of all the anime inspired anything. I could have read the law unto herself and know completely about elf's crew, or the Nasuverse and completely knows about the people from that verse.
Hell I could discover all the OCs identities too because I could claim in the universe that I hail from they have their own series that are popular and my character has read them too.
If I wanted to I could go pretty meta Lantz. My reason for knowing the stats of my hosts was explained.
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I'm a bit confused, a fire storm isn't a wall, it's a cyclone of fire, it's constantly moving. I'm not sure how Grim made a hole in it, further while syms aren't easily tired I'm not sure it wouldn't be put out by the use of it's skills in this way.
He was eating Grigori's mana. I'd be surprised if he wasn't just blowing shit up with pure mana blasts.
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I'm a bit confused, a fire storm isn't a wall, it's a cyclone of fire, it's constantly moving. I'm not sure how Grim made a hole in it, further while syms aren't easily tired I'm not sure it wouldn't be put out by the use of it's skills in this way.
I made a small hole that your fire storm went around. It was cylinder Lantz. While the heat inside would be not unlike an oven that's why I used some more water magic to make it so that Grim could tolerate it a bit more. Grim is pissed he won't give up just like that. And your word hurt it Lantz. It was tunnel that the fire just wrapped around.
I just recently fed off of a guy with EX rank magecraft I think I'm full of a decent amount of magic thank you very much.
In total at the end of that post Lantz I used two water spells, two applications of binding magic and one simple barrier.
Also if you hadn't noticed my character is pissed at the rejection. It will force itself through some of the convected heat inside the barrier just to get to the object of its ire. In this case Satoshi.
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He had a snack before? Ok Umbra I missed that.
the difference between a normal symbiote and grim is that he takes magic powers, things that are the S.H.A.Z.A.M. for Satoshi, while he can't steal them he copies them which degrades the TM style characters.
reason 2 isn't meta, it's a part of his character. He reads, specifically myths, hero books and records.
reason four is but as a player I have the right to keep my characters defined.
bottom line is, he only knows two black creatures, Angra (who was screwed by gravity trap) and the symbiote. He doesn't know it's Peter's directly but there is a whole planet of them after all.
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He had a snack before? Ok Umbra I missed that.
Snack is an understatement. More like an 100 course meal.
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It's meta in the sense that he even knows what my character is.
I'm a symbiote from a popular franchise in our earth but that doesn't mean that Marvel even exists in the Nasuverse (and let's be honest due to copyright laws it probably doesn't) so the mere fact you have that data is pretty darn meta Lantz.
It doesn't matter Lantz whether I copy you. It took the true magic to randomly send me to this verse anyways and in this verse I'm pretty sure that not may people even know Nasu magic. Thus you're magic is fine. Are you scared of a tiny power loss. We can't kill you Lantz. We can't even if we wanted to. You're in this for social reasons so you shouldn't need to care about a small fraction of lost power Lantz. Grim is in this to experiment and find a good host and I'm in this to see what fun such variable character is. Also according to that logic Lantz that means with all the Archer's/Emiya Shirou's running around their magic should be so shit it's not even funny. Yet it still stays pretty good on par with or sometimes better than canon at times even.
Also is the magic of your character so unique that merely one person learning the same thing will nerf it heavily Lantz? Only the symbiote shall receive it. The hosts I take over only get temporary access to it and don't exactly learn it.
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Not buying the copy right laws thing.
jumping my characters for their magic is still pretty odd, in the best case Satoshi doesn't use magic, in the worst Grim becomes his venom
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Dude if you aren't his one true love he won't give shit about you after a brief testdrive.
I get some cool powers, you lose absolutely nothing in me gaining those. And no I won't become your venom.
My symbiote is looking for someone to be like that to but not yours. I'll probably pair him off with one of my own characters or just wait until I've done a few rounds and sampled everyone before I choose the one to truly bond to. I would be a carnage, not a venom. Truly one not separate.
You seemed like delectable source to Grim and he wanted to get the fuck away from Grigori after a bad experience with being bonded to him.
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Satoshi is, my concerns aside, sick of being taken over at this point.
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If you're going to roast something, it would be appreciable if you could do it outside or something. There are people vulnerable to fire in the building.
And I suppose these cars of Forest are filled with gas, right?
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Suffering headache may not finish reply till morning, sorry.
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Sorry Daiki, don't really have a choice here. It's roast the garage or taken over as far as Satoshi sees. So kablam garage I guess.
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Well, Satoshi already ignored people dying like fruit flies, so a mere fire would not burden his conscience.
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He didn't ignore anything, not knowing is just that, not knowing. You cannot blame someone for a lack of action when they were unaware that the problem ever existed.
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Well, about everyone should know now since there is a giant crater where the center of the city used to be. There are also people still wounded by the rubble. Also someone should interfere before some vampires get roasted.
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Really, my half dying character noticed Karna vs Gilgamesh, while Satoshi did not.
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Sorry Daiki, don't really have a choice here. It's roast the garage or taken over as far as Satoshi sees. So kablam garage I guess.
Then Forest has a melt down because her precious cars blew up.
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reason 2 isn't meta, it's a part of his character. He reads, specifically myths, hero books and records.
It's meta.
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Unfortunately the lesser of two evils Elf. Would do something else if I could but, yeah...
no Lyco.
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It's meta in the sense that he even knows what my character is.
I'm a symbiote from a popular franchise in our earth but that doesn't mean that Marvel even exists in the Nasuverse (and let's be honest due to copyright laws it probably doesn't) so the mere fact you have that data is pretty darn meta Lantz.
Whether or not Marvel exists in the Nasuverse canonically is not clear, but Satoshi's knowledge of comic book characters was mentioned well before you ever showed up (it's in his sheet, even), so it's not meta-gaming. Further, not only did several other people recognise the Hulk, but a whole bunch of characters (including Satoshi) remarked on the presense of a Pokemon, so there is definite precident for knowing about the stories of other characters.
You can question whether or not he could work out that it is the Symbiote (although, frankly, I don't blame him if he is meta-gaming a little, you're trying to force a significant change on his character without giving him any choice in the matter whatsoever), but him knowing who the Symbiote is is entirely compatible with his backstory and character sheet, and is not in contradiction to Nasuverse canon either (just because no-one ever mentions those shows, it doesn't mean they don't exist, and honestly I don't think it is possible to prove that they do not, so it is entirely down to the decision of the fanfic author whether or not to say they do). So, there is no way you can legitimately complain about him having that knowledge.
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Lantzblades put that actually to metagame, as well as any other BS he smuggled in after Elf approved his barebones sheet.
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Whether or not Marvel exists in the Nasuverse canonically is not clear, but Satoshi's knowledge of comic book characters was mentioned well before you ever showed up (it's in his sheet, even), so it's not meta-gaming. Further, not only did several other people recognise the Hulk, but a whole bunch of characters (including Satoshi) remarked on the presense of a Pokemon, so there is definite precident for knowing about the stories of other characters.
Unless he's specifically stated to be an avid Spiderman reader, it's metagaming.
You can question whether or not he could work out that it is the Symbiote (although, frankly, I don't blame him if he is meta-gaming a little, you're trying to force a significant change on his character without giving him any choice in the matter whatsoever)
An action within the rules done by Gray does not justify a rule-break. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially not when there's only one wrong.
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He's an avid superhero fan, he has no character or company bias. It's not meta gaming, drop the topic.
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Lantzblades put that actually to metagame, as well as any other BS he smuggled in after Elf approved his barebones sheet.
No, he didn't. His sheet might have been unclear on the details, but Satoshi's backstory was written (at least broadly) a long time before this RP happened. And, even if he had added it as an extra thing after the fact, the sheet was written months before Gray showed up and entered the Symbiote into the game, so it would still not be meta-gaming in this context.
Plus, as I already said, he is not the only one with knowledge from comics, anime etc. Several others (Forest included) knew who the Hulk was. It's possible that some of my characters might have heard of the Symbiote (albeit unlikely), and they certainly would have heard of any characters who are popular in Japan.
Whether or not Marvel exists in the Nasuverse canonically is not clear, but Satoshi's knowledge of comic book characters was mentioned well before you ever showed up (it's in his sheet, even), so it's not meta-gaming. Further, not only did several other people recognise the Hulk, but a whole bunch of characters (including Satoshi) remarked on the presense of a Pokemon, so there is definite precident for knowing about the stories of other characters.
Unless he's specifically stated to be an avid Spiderman reader, it's metagaming.
No, sorry, that is just bullshit. If a character sheet had to mention every single thing a character had ever done in that much detail, it would be about 20 pages long. He is stated to read comic books both in the sheet and also previously in the RP, and reading comic books is not something you would expect a character sheet to logically focus on, so he is fully entitled to flesh that out more.
Just because my sheet doesn't say that my character doesn't like eating a particular food, it doesn't mean that I'd be meta-gaming if I included that information later in the RP, because it's not important enough to put in the original sheet.
If your logic held, then every character would be extremely ignorant and utterly flat characters who couldn't do or know anything that wasn't explicitly stated in their sheet and who were not able to have any emotional reactions not mentioned in their sheet, and that would make for an extremely dull RP.
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Spider man being big in Japan regardless of the American effort. Seriously, he's a comics guy, deal with it. Not meta gaming, his knowledge was demonstrated long before this.
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Christ on a bike Mike, you and lantz are literally the only people out of the like 8 who has commented on this issue that think you're in the right, and one is the rulebreaker and the other is someone so stupidly biased towards him that his opinion isn't worth considering.
lantz was metagaming, there's no two ways about. Didn't think a repeat offender wouldn't do it again but meh.
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Not meta gaming, you can drop it now Brah. No matter what you think I'm going to continue as I have.
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Christ on a bike Mike, you and lantz are literally the only people out of the like 8 who has commented on this issue that think you're in the right, and one is the rulebreaker and the other is someone so stupidly biased towards him that his opinion isn't worth considering.
lantz was metagaming, there's no two ways about. Didn't think a repeat offender wouldn't do it again but meh.
If Lantz is meta-gaming by knowing about the Symbiote, then you are meta-gaming every fucking time you post anything that isn't a carbon copy of your damn sheet. Stop talking out of your fucking ass.
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Christ on a bike Mike, you and lantz are literally the only people out of the like 8 who has commented on this issue that think you're in the right, and one is the rulebreaker and the other is someone so stupidly biased towards him that his opinion isn't worth considering.
lantz was metagaming, there's no two ways about. Didn't think a repeat offender wouldn't do it again but meh.
If Lantz is meta-gaming by knowing about the Symbiote, then you are meta-gaming every fucking time you post anything that isn't a carbon copy of your damn sheet. Stop talking out of your fucking ass.
Good to know I haven't metagamed then.
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OK, everyone, stop this right now. This argument is going nowhere. It is Elf's decision, no-one else's.
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Well, when I was dealing with Grim, Grigori only realized what it was and its weaknesses after it was fused with his arm.
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You guys don't have to worry about the garage. My barrier should have saved your precious cars guys.
Lantz I placed a spherical barrier around us. You can't run the fire is surrounding us. I coated myself with a barrier and some water magic and now I'm about to about to make contact. You haven't done anything to break my momentum towards you and the car door's molten remains shoudl be on your character by now disabling them even further.
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The dragon's fire should outright kill Grim Gray, it's not normal fire and Satoshi is not holding back at all, the matou's water magic shouldn't be nearly enough to block it. He ejected the flames at full power outward. A Symbiote lacking the about face virus should not be able to remain within ten feet of Satoshi.
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Have barriers to give me room and water magic to eliminate the heat gained from convection. I already had momementum building up to your character and by now my barrier should have made contact with you. I also have some magic resistance which futher decreases the effects of your spells. I can live but I will writhe in pain. This is the first time my symbiote felt anger so it's throwing a temper tantrum at you. You are rejecting its very being and it won't have that. I'm not taking you over Lantz I give you passive boosts and make you more aggressive when your will save is high. Occasionally use you to go do some exciting stuff when your asleep. I'm not taking over Lantz, your character has too much will for a take over. If he knows the symbiote at all he should no that there is no full take over involved. He's already got amped up aggresssion because the dragon contact so he should even be able to handle that. There are no down sides Lantz. Satoshi should no this and be treating the thing like Grigori did with all the power he has.
Also I repeat the garage isn't toasted the firestorm was contained in barrier so you don't have to worry guys. Fire doesn't have physical force so it shouldn't be able to break the barrier. Since the barrier is a magical constuct it shouldn't have been able to melt it either. So the building is fine guys. Lantz just ignored the barrier I set up.
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Look, Gray, honestly, if Lantz doesn't want to bond with you then you should let him not bond with you. This RP isn't meant to be about who has the most powerful character, and if we let people with OP powers just use everyone else's characters as if they were toys then it will just turn into a race to make the most OP character.
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Gray don't straight up lie to my face. There's a ton of down sides to the process and full control and take over happens.
and seriously a dragon's fire being beaten by matou magic, and you guys call Satoshi OP.
bottom line, not happening, I don't want Satoshi to change and this is definitely a change and certainly one for the worse.
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Gray creates a symbiote and there aren't any complaints. Gray tries to actually use the symbiote and people complain. Sorry Gray.
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Gray you can't assume contact, please edit your post
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Look, Gray, honestly, if Lantz doesn't want to bond with you then you should let him not bond with you. This RP isn't meant to be about who has the most powerful character, and if we let people with OP powers just use everyone else's characters as if they were toys then it will just turn into a race to make the most OP character.
Did you not see what I did with Grigori?
I let Umbra take full control during that run and I was just a supplement. Grim takes a testdrive seeing if your a good host. I've decided that I'll probably go full bonding with one of my own characters or agree to make fulll bonding later so Lantz is in no threat of that happening. He wants to see compatability.
Gray you can't assume contact, please edit your post
You did nothing to kill my physical momentum so I'm pretty sure that I at least pulled off contact. I gave you the chance to counter it I used water magic, plus barrier plus magic resitance to survive it with great pain.
That didn't kill my momentum either so contact can be assumed man.
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ffs sake, he just wants to poke at your character's face. (or arm)
He's not in for tentacle snuff rape. So let him in touch Satoshi so you can be done with it.
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Lycodrake Aptera is more likely to assume Grim is an elemental of some sort.
He tends to get along fine with any non-Ice elementals, but there are certain Metal elementals that make his scales crawl.
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OK, just drop it. The rules dictate that you can't assume anything about another character's actions or act on their behalf, but it's clear we're not going to agree on whether this counts or not, so just leave it to Elf to make a ruling. This argument is going nowhere and it is obviously going to get nasty very soon. If you do have anything to say, please talk to Elf privately.
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Can Grim bond with your character later Lyco?
Okay Lyco and Daiki how can I modify my Avdol piece so I can realistically see you guys?
I hear that mordred master is healer and I need healers.
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Can Grim bond with your character later Lyco?
It's for the best that they don't. Lycodrake Aptera tries not to be prejudice towards sentient symbiotes and parasites, but...he's not very good at it. And doesn't like "sharing" control of his own body.
Okay Lyco and Daiki how can I modify my Avdol piece so I can realistically see you guys?
I hear that mordred master is healer and I need healers.
Daiki and Milbunk should be able to answer that question better.
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I'll try it anyways. I want to make full rounds so mind if I just stick on for one or two posts before learning that dragon biology is hard to adapt to?
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Look guys. I made the symbiote to mix up the game a little. I love the character and see a lot of wasted potential in it's reliance on sticking to one host. So to have some fun and derail a few plans I wanted to have the symbiote join.
Aren't RPs all about how we play off of each other? I play by bonding and seeing hosts. We aren't the overall authors of the story. We can only control our own characters and we can't control the other things. It's our interaction with the rest of the world and so such that gives us our fun and how we take the things the world or other characters throw at us in stride.
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There's nothing wrong with having the Symbiote there, I just don't think you necessarily need him to bond with everyone.
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OK, just drop it. The rules dictate that you can't assume anything about another character's actions or act on their behalf, but it's clear we're not going to agree on whether this counts or not, so just leave it to Elf to make a ruling.
Why would you need Elf when this can be settled like reasonable adults. I'm seriously getting sick of that attitude when this kind of crap should have been settled without any argument. Stop acting like spoiled brats for a bit and just play like people with some brains. Lantz stop seeing anything and everything happening as a threat for your characters' well being. And Mike, stop coming to the rescue when it's not necessary.
Gray clearly said that his character won't take over lantz's. He's not forcing anything there. All he wants is to come in contact with him. He's not doing anything to Satoshi. I propose lantz let it touch him and then the symbiote will go find a better host. It's not complicated. It's not even a problem. So, just let it go for once, lantz.
This argument is going nowhere and it is obviously going to get nasty very soon. If you do have anything to say, please talk to Elf privately.
Problem is that each time, and I mean each freaking time, somebody starts interacting with Satoshi, it's hell on earth. If it keeps up, everyone will ignore lantz's OCs and then he will raise complaints about how all his characters are shunned by others. Elf isn't there to resolve childish behavior. You keep calling her for stuff like that, and you won't be surprised when she just give up participating altogether.
Okay Lyco and Daiki how can I modify my Avdol piece so I can realistically see you guys?
I hear that mordred master is healer and I need healers.
Just wait for them to go back into the Nexus. (They are on a different dimensional plan right now)
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Daiki, I said stop. It evidentially can't be settled like "responsible adults", if it could then Lantz and Gray would have done so already. They obviously have a different idea of what is and isn't acceptable, and only Elf can settle that. Nothing you say is going to make Lantz change his mind, in fact you are almost certainly just making it worse, given the tone you are taking.
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Well, one would think that reasonable adults can enter a conversation, instead of trying to shut it down when it hasn't even occurred... I think? It really does make you think.
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Rules are rules Gray, I can't predetermine anything and neither can you. It's just the way the game works.
@Daiki: inferno cop was fine, the only problem was that names had comp trouble which messed up the event we'd planned. It's by no means hell when characters and players are reasonable (mostly this means try not murdering the character)
the details of what will or won't happen to Satoshi are mine to decide but regardless there's still the character's will and given previous events in the RP he's not going to let it happen for as long as he can prevent it.
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Daiki, I said stop. It evidentially can't be settled like "responsible adults", if it could then Lantz and Gray would have done so already. They obviously have a different idea of what is and isn't acceptable, and only Elf can settle that. Nothing you say is going to make Lantz change his mind, in fact you are almost certainly just making it worse, given the tone you are taking.
And what kind of tone is it that I take?
This is not the first time I tell this; we don't need the GM for everything. And this is certainly not the first time you answer me with a 'sorry, we can't act like adults'. This is exactly that kind of attitude which pushes lantz to act like a kid instead of thinking things through. Not that he can't act like an adult. But the fact that you're so prompt to jump to the rescue and calling for a third party to take a decision about the current issue(only) instead of trying to resolve things by dialogue is why he's acting like that.
If there's no dialogue, there can't be a fix to the issue.
Are you seriously going to suggest that we call a GM ruling each time lantz char's interact with others? Because that's not only ridiculous, but it has already happened way too much. There is something inherently wrong in pushing for more of that. If you don't care about how the RP develops from now on, it's your right. But I certanly won't stay silent if we are to deal with more of that crap along the way.
It's bound to happen again(like I said last time) and we all know it. So we either do something about it, or there won't be much people playing in here. That or Lantz will only play with you.
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lantz just let Gray touch your decrepit dragon willie and go about your day instead of acting like a spoiled 3-year old.
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Daiki, seriously, I'm pointing to a rule on the list dude. You cannot predetermine the success of an action.
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I'm not telling you what to do. I suggested something. Not like you two could have reached a compromise or something.
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You can predetermine a successful action (To use the example from the rule, "Character X punched Character B.") but you cannot predetermine the reaction or the result ("Character X punched Character B, and Character B went down like the little bitch he is.")
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You can't predetermine the success of an action but you also shouldn't whine like a little kid when that action is both A) harmless to your character, and B) something that should happen given the actions the other character has taken.
Jesus fucking christ Lantz, grow the fuck up.
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Arch, Brah, no. All you can to is confirm the attempt. Automatically confirming success is god modding when it is not a character you control.
and it's not harmless.
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You can't predetermine success of actions, but you CAN try and be reasonable about it. It's clear neither you nor Gray want to budge on the matter, but how about you two try and consider things for the other side? Grim is bloating with power from a god and is using powerful magecraft, and Satoshi used dragonfire and a wind spell to create a firestorm to shake it off. Those are both excellent points, and I'd like you to consider them as far as a logical conclusion is concerned.
If you still can't agree on this, but neither of you really wants Satoshi to be crippled or severely injured by Grim, how about you call a compromise and allow it to flow narratively?
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To use your own preferred argument against you lantz; Shut up, you're wrong.
And your character is literally immortal, infinity years old and has nothing to lose, it's completely harmless.
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Okay now, let's just cool it down in here a bit. I'm cool with people discussing this, but let's keep it more on the civil side, alright?
As for this whole thing... I'm going to refrain from commenting too much, one, because I'm exhausted, and two, because I'm supposed to be relatively hands off about lantz stuff anyway because it elevates my blood pressure way too much, but I will agree that there has been too much consistent drama surrounding lantz's RPing, and that what happened with the fire was metagaming, not necessarily because of the comic book thing, but because of being able to identify it on sight. Even knowing of the symbiote's appearance, there's a number of things that a sentient pile of black goop can be.
...Plus not too terribly happy about the fire thing. Even if I'm not running a vampire character myself, there's good guy vampire characters in the Compound, including Forest, and I don't think the symbiote is worth risking burning them to a crisp. It makes it harder on me as well, because if the fire spreads beyond the Symbiote's barrier, that means I have to step in with Tom, which makes posting even more difficult for me on top of getting the energy to do so to begin with between having to work like hell IRL, which has been draining me a good bit, and keeping tabs on all the recent drama. So yeah.
...That said, it's probably best to let Elf come to a decision. If lantz's RPing has been a consistent problem, it's best for her to decide what's to be done, is it not, especially since it's an issue that continues to escalate?
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Daiki, I said stop. It evidentially can't be settled like "responsible adults", if it could then Lantz and Gray would have done so already. They obviously have a different idea of what is and isn't acceptable, and only Elf can settle that. Nothing you say is going to make Lantz change his mind, in fact you are almost certainly just making it worse, given the tone you are taking.
And what kind of tone is it that I take?
This is not the first time I tell this; we don't need the GM for everything. And this is certainly not the first time you answer me with a 'sorry, we can't act like adults'. This is exactly that kind of attitude which pushes lantz to act like a kid instead of thinking things through. Not that he can't act like an adult. But the fact that you're so prompt to jump to the rescue and calling for a third party to take a decision about the current issue(only) instead of trying to resolve things by dialogue is why he's acting like that.
If there's no dialogue, there can't be a fix to the issue.
Are you seriously going to suggest that we call a GM ruling each time lantz char's interact with others? Because that's not only ridiculous, but it has already happened way too much. There is something inherently wrong in pushing for more of that. If you don't care about how the RP develops from now on, it's your right. But I certanly won't stay silent if we are to deal with more of that crap along the way.
It's bound to happen again(like I said last time) and we all know it. So we either do something about it, or there won't be much people playing in here. That or Lantz will only play with you.
No, I called for a GM ruling because it is blindingly obvious that everyone is just getting heated, and no-one is going to convince anyone else at this point. Your post just proved that, because, whatever point you might have had was lost in the insults and the extremely one-sided nature of your post. I was not "jumping to Lantz's aid", I was trying to stop a damn argument. You know, my job as the forum owner.
Like Alice just said, regardless of your viewpoint, Elf is the only one with the power to actually force any kind of compromise. If the two of them can agree then fine, but it didn't seem likely from the way the posts were going, so I just thought it was best to cut it short before we got posts like Arch's last one.
Alice is right, civil discussion is fine, but discussions like this tend not to remain civil for very long, and right now you guys are being far too aggressive about it to stand a chance of convincing Lantz.
I'm not telling you what to do. I suggested something. Not like you two could have reached a compromise or something.
Perhaps they could have, but making statements like "Lantz is acting like a spoiled child" is sure as hell not going to help them reach one.
Possibly it might not be a bad idea for Lantz to work something out with Gray here with regards to touching Satoshi, but I didn't see it as likely to happen, and I certainly saw the argument becoming more heated.
You can predetermine a successful action (To use the example from the rule, "Character X punched Character B.") but you cannot predetermine the reaction or the result ("Character X punched Character B, and Character B went down like the little bitch he is.")
No, you can't. You can say you threw a punch, you can't assume it hit.
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No, you can't. You can say you threw a punch, you can't assume it hit.
Read the OP of this very thread before you say something autistic and sound stupid.
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Arch, Brah, no. All you can to is confirm the attempt. Automatically confirming success is god modding when it is not a character you control.
and it's not harmless.
Dude.
Did you not see what I did with Grigori?
I let Umbra take full control during that run and I was just a supplement. Grim takes a testdrive seeing if your a good host. I've decided that I'll probably go full bonding with one of my own characters or agree to make fulll bonding later so Lantz is in no threat of that happening. He wants to see compatability.
There's room for a compromise. Just talk it out.
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No, you can't. You can say you threw a punch, you can't assume it hit.
Read the OP of this very thread before you say something autistic and sound stupid.
It doesn't matter what the exact wording of the OP says, it matters how we've been playing it from the beginning and how Elf chooses to interpret it, and we have always been playing it in that manner. You cannot dictate the actions of another character, and that includes not assuming they did nothing in response to your act.
Also, cut the insults. We have several people on the forum who actually are autistic, and I'm pretty damn sure you offended them.
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Gray, if you don't find a host, I can make a third character just that you don't talk to yourself, if the host retains a degree of a sentience.
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This is just like Prometheus. What is the black goo?
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We have several people on the forum who actually are autistic, and I'm pretty damn sure you offended them.
I'm one of them, it's like N-word privileges
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Copying Satoshi's powers creates a mess that is far too convoluted and it's impossible (or at the very least nearly so) to rectify and forces Satoshi to go running around completely ruining my aims for the character.
rather then completely wreck the ability to be socially involved I'd prefer to not deal with it at all.
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Like I give a fuck about someone using my condition as an insult.
Seriously, everybody. Shut the fuck up, especially Lantz (Who seriously by this point has only NOT been kicked because Mike would whine endlessly to Elf about it). I don't care if your super magic sue doesn't like being touched - Grey has outplayed the hell out of you both post wise, detail wise, and roleplaying wise. Bend over and take that delicious symbiote powers.
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Copying Satoshi's powers creates a mess that is far too convoluted and it's impossible (or at the very least nearly so) to rectify and forces Satoshi to go running around completely ruining my aims for the character.
rather then completely wreck the ability to be socially involved I'd prefer to not deal with it at all.
>Completely ruining my aims for the character
So? Fucking deal with it, scrap your plans, and write new ones. It could be an epic saga, which humbles him immensely in realizing he isn't unique, special, or indeed worthy of any sort of admiration.
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We have several people on the forum who actually are autistic, and I'm pretty damn sure you offended them.
I'm one of them, it's like N-word privileges
Yeah, and if a black guy tries that argument on the internet after using it as an insult, I bet it won't get them very far. I have no idea if you are telling the truth, and even if you are no-one else can be sure.
Copying Satoshi's powers creates a mess that is far too convoluted and it's impossible (or at the very least nearly so) to rectify and forces Satoshi to go running around completely ruining my aims for the character.
rather then completely wreck the ability to be socially involved I'd prefer to not deal with it at all.
>Completely ruining my aims for the character
So? Fucking deal with it, scrap your plans, and write new ones. It could be an epic saga, which humbles him immensely in realizing he isn't unique, special, or indeed worthy of any sort of admiration.
It's not simply "plans", it's avoiding spending the whole damn time fighting. That is not the same thing at all.
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We have several people on the forum who actually are autistic, and I'm pretty damn sure you offended them.
I'm one of them, it's like N-word privileges
Yeah, and if a black guy tries that argument on the internet after using it as an insult, I bet it won't get them very far. I have no idea if you are telling the truth, and even if you are no-one else can be sure.
Problem doesn't lie with the guy who said neighbor, it lies with the people who give nephew power as an insult, instead of just treating neophyte like another word in the dictionary.
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I think someone tried to ask me about Downy and friend's location. Well they are in a dimension between dimensions, kinda like a black void that's perfect for hiding and watching stuff without anyone realizing you're there. If you have the ability to travel dimensions or even look at other dimensions then you could probably find us pretty easily though we may also be able to notice you as well depending on how it's being done.
And sorry Lyco Ive been holding back on posting on purpose so that Alice and Kaiza have a chance to catch up before we all meet up.
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It's not simply "plans", it's avoiding spending the whole damn time fighting. That is not the same thing at all.
Why the fuck would he be fighting? Can't he accept other people possessing his powers? I mean he's an immortal wizard, this shouldn't be a huge deal to him.
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And sorry Lyco Ive been holding back on posting on purpose so that Alice and Kaiza have a chance to catch up before we all meet up.
No worries, Milbunk; I can wait.
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Gray, abandon Satoshi, I'll have Grim bond with...
Samuel Haight.
http://mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/pdf/MiscOWOD/SamuelHaight.pdf (http://mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/pdf/MiscOWOD/SamuelHaight.pdf)
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It's not simply "plans", it's avoiding spending the whole damn time fighting. That is not the same thing at all.
Why the fuck would he be fighting? Can't he accept other people possessing his powers? I mean he's an immortal wizard, this shouldn't be a huge deal to him.
It's not "people" possessing it so much as the Symbiote specifically. Because an immortal Symbiote sounds like a distinctly bad thing to me....
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Not really; and the Symbiotes are already immortal.
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Because an immortal draconic 5-year old that's actually infinity years old is a better idea? news to me.
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I aim for them to be social, I've been avoiding fighting as best I can since the damn start. I'm not about to have Satoshi enter wreck shit mode in this RP.
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Right, right, can everyone just cool off this discussion for a bit? It pains me to say it, but if it's going to keeping regressing and fail to remain civil, I'd rather it stay frozen until Elf says something. There's no point.
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I would use Samuel Haight if that happened. Werewolf True Mage Ghoul with some fairy powers.
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Please explain lantz, how the fuck having that Symbiote take your powers matters if it comes to Satoshi being a fighter.
Please. Fucking. Explain.
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He does not want to share.
Strangely, since Satoshi is all about being more powerful, he should just fuse with Grim and become more unstoppable.
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He would have to neutralize the symbiote. The group at large can't be responsible for deaths of others by way of their powers. Since the symbiote would be an unchecked example of that power it would force my characters to constantly hunt it until his powers were removed from the symbiote or it was otherwise unable to do harm.
given the nature of the game that will never occur which means my characters would be fighting constantly. And that would be unendingly dull.
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>Can't be responsible for death's caused by their powers
You do know they wouldn't be responsible, as it's the symbiote's fault right?
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That isn't how heroes work Arch
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No, I called for a GM ruling because it is blindingly obvious that everyone is just getting heated, and no-one is going to convince anyone else at this point. Your post just proved that, because, whatever point you might have had was lost in the insults and the extremely one-sided nature of your post. I was not "jumping to Lantz's aid", I was trying to stop a damn argument. You know, my job as the forum owner.
Like Alice just said, regardless of your viewpoint, Elf is the only one with the power to actually force any kind of compromise. If the two of them can agree then fine, but it didn't seem likely from the way the posts were going, so I just thought it was best to cut it short before we got posts like Arch's last one.
Alice is right, civil discussion is fine, but discussions like this tend not to remain civil for very long, and right now you guys are being far too aggressive about it to stand a chance of convincing Lantz.
I'm not telling you what to do. I suggested something. Not like you two could have reached a compromise or something.
Perhaps they could have, but making statements like "Lantz is acting like a spoiled child" is sure as hell not going to help them reach one.
Possibly it might not be a bad idea for Lantz to work something out with Gray here with regards to touching Satoshi, but I didn't see it as likely to happen, and I certainly saw the argument becoming more heated.
Yes, my goal was to insult lantz. Let's totally go with that.
You're absolutely right. We should call in Elf. Your method proved to work in the past, Mike. Oh, wait... It didn't.
But let's do it anyway. Let's see how that resolve anything. And I'm sure she'll be thrilled.
Oh, and obviously I'm rude and aggressive when saying "stop acting like a brat". Although, you, on the other hand, implying that lantz and Gray can't reach a compromise because they are indeed brats, (they need a third party to take a decision for them since they are too retarded to discuss the issue after all) are not insulting their intelligence at all. Good job being even more offensive than me. Quite the hypocrite, aren't you?
Welp, I'm done. Have fun riding Satoshi's polished dragon prostitute's wiener to the world of the sunshine fairies with fiery nails piercing your nipples.
And for those involved with my characters, do what you want with them.
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>Can't be responsible for death's caused by their powers
You do know they wouldn't be responsible, as it's the symbiote's fault right?
Not directly responsible, no, but indirectly.
Yes, my goal was to insult lantz. Let's totally go with that.
I never said that.
You're absolutely right. We should call in Elf. Your method proved to work in the past, Mike. Oh, wait... It didn't.
But let's do it anyway. Let's see how that resolve anything. And I'm sure she'll be thrilled.
Right, and what are you suggesting? That we continue arguing with each other for hours until Elf ends up coming in and being forced to stamp her foot down to stop it? Because that's the way it seemed to be going.
Oh, and obviously I'm rude and aggressive when saying "stop acting like a brat". Although, you, on the other hand, implying that lantz and Gray can't reach a compromise because they are indeed brats, (they need a third party to take a decision for them since they are too retarded to discuss the issue after all) are not insulting their intelligence at all. Good job being even more offensive than me. Quite the hypocrite, aren't you?
They tried discussing it, and it didn't seem to go anywhere.
Perhaps you do have a valid point there, but you certainly weren't going to help by making an entirely one-sided statement and blaming Lantz (along with me, who didn't even make a comment on that aspect of the argument).
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Bottom line, I want my characters to be social, the symbiote stealing his powers ruins that. I would be stuck for the rest of the RP acting futility forced to do something I find boring and worthless. So I'm going to prevent the power drain from happening, period.
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...And this was exactly what I was worried would happen. Great, now someone's quit because of this crap.
Now I'm kinda tempted to quit the RP too. Jesus mother of christ.
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At this rate, I'll go with Elf's own suggestion that we set this RP up somewhere else (preferably BL, it'd weed out the worst).
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Great job Mike and Lantz, you just caused a rather excellent RP'er to jump ship because you both are acting like fucking retards, though Lantz is still king retard.
And fuck, time for a mass kill off. You shouldn't play with fire and not expect consequences Lantz.
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The time scale of the game and the major problem of a singular resolution is the reason why I'm adamant against avoiding this business. We have been playing for months and aren't even a week into game. I don't want to spend years doing something futile. I think that's fair.
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And fuck, time for a mass kill off.
Speaking of, more literally, I'm considering playing Jenga using mountains on lantz's character. Should this happen?
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Make that two. Unless something is done, or Daiki can be convinced to come back by something actually being done, I quit as well. This is exactly what I feared would happen, and I will not have gone through all this stress and hell just for this to continue.
So yeah, unless something changes in regards to this? Consider me out of this RP. I'm done with this.
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And fuck, time for a mass kill off.
Speaking of, more literally, I'm considering playing Jenga using mountains on lantz's character. Should this happen?
Yes. Yes it should.
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I consider making my own RPforum in the future if I have money to maintain it. Both PnP's in online form and freeform roleplays. If I manage to use my connections, maybe even a RP shop with dices and stuff.
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Daiki and Alice leaving? ......... Lyco was looking forward to further interaction with Daiki's Mordred and eventually Alice's Tom. :/
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And that's two of Lantz's characters down.
Paper doesn't resist white phosphorus well, and there's no way 'Rin' can dodge something coming from her blindside faster than she can react. GG.
Next on the docket, slaughtering a bunch of people in front of a little kid, including a little kid.
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I just want to congratulate you, Mike and Lantz. You officially killed the only good thing about this entire site, the part that was about 95% of your traffic. Congratulations!
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9bbb22c0e8bf809246dd5f1b420ceca5/tumblr_inline_mreai3RuW71qz4rgp.gif)
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Well, congrats then.
(http://i.imgur.com/NqDszqX.gif)
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Nope arch, sorry, none of that is acceptable.
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(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9bbb22c0e8bf809246dd5f1b420ceca5/tumblr_inline_mreai3RuW71qz4rgp.gif)
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Let's not sell the fox's skin before we've killed it. Everyone.
GDI, these NGE jokes.
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Too fucking bad, because a Demon just murdered your character. And Old Man Henderson just blasted away paper guy.
They're dead. And everyone else soon will be.
(http://operachic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c83e69e2017d3cdfb82b970c-320wi)
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SHTAP.
Look, Grey and lantz need a GM ruling to decide this. That's that. Feel free to keep discussing it, so long as you remain at least barely civil.
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Poor Elf, she has severe cold, and will have to deal with this.
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That and bad allergies on top of that, making it even worse for her. I'm sick myself as of today, so today was not a good day for this shit to happen.
Basically, I'm not happy at all about this. There's a reason I quit until something's done about it. Because nothing's been done due to a certain someone standing in the way for far too long, and I'm not tolerating that any longer.
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Not much else to discuss YOLF, I mean, I want social interaction. I've clearly explained how the symbiote thing completely destroys that and forces me to write an unceasing boring fight scenes and junk. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in wanting to be able to have fun instead of writing boring fight scenes.
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Yes yes, fine, so don't fan the flames if you've got nothing else you want to cook.
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Which is ironic because the Karna/Gil fight was the best part of the entire RP so far.
Yes, I've read every page.
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Lantz do you think Grim is going to become a god or something once he latches on Satoshi? He was with me for a little while and he can barely manage a regular barrier spell. Grim just floods it with mana for more effectiveness.
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Not sure Umbra, Grim is a mutant, no idea about his limitations. With a normal symbiote I could hazard a guess but here I'm not sure. Regardless though any power transfer ( by which I mean ability) is a serious problem because it commits my characters to hunting him down and neutralizing him.
As I said the time scale and game rules mean that for foreseeable future I would be stuck futility writing fight scenes instead of having my characters be social as I intended from the start. Please tell me you can understand why I have a problem here.
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Lantz, Grim has already done this before with me, and he is not chucking EX rank magecraft everywhere. He's not becoming all powerful.
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Well, would Toshi know that is the question. If not, then he might feel he needs to go after the Symbiote even if he doesn't really.
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Does he even know that it can steal powers?
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If that is explained in the comics then I would imagine so, yes.
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Power assimilation/theft is the number one ability of symbiotes. So yes he'd know.
more importantly, the use of any powers assimilated from my characters render them responsible for deaths etcetera caused by it. As my characters are heroes they would be stuck responding to the issue. This is a serious problem for previously noted reasons.
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Again, it doesn't render them responsible.
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Yes Arch, it does, not literally but conceptually. It's part of being a hero.
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>Satoshi
>Hero
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There, posted.
Hooray for mass healing!
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Jesus Christ on a Crutch Cracker . . .
First off, Magos, please go delete your Rage Kill post; it doesn't help matters.
Secondly, I got to think of a GM ruling about Grim Vs Satoshi . . .
Daiki's right, you should have been able to discuss this like adults, instead of needing me to intervene. Now Daiki's quit and Alice has as well. Just bloody lovely.
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Elf, get on Skype pls
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Elf, get on Skype pls
I will soon. I've got something to do first.
Also, I solved the problem in game.
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Thank you Elf, and you're right but Gray sorta logged out after refusing to edit his post so I couldn't do anything.
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I'm a little socially unaware but I didn't really notice much drama in this thing.
Also I'm willing to get rid of Grim if my play style will screw with peoples enjoyment. I thought that people would have fun working their way around Grim as I made him to shake things up a bit but if its gotten out of hand i didn't mean it.
Daiki and Alice if you read this I'm sorry about making this hard on you. I thought I was just staying in character by continuing the assault but if that lowered your enjoyment of the RP I truly regret it. Please come back.
I logged off because I was finishing off a catapult assignment for physics (we finished yay! I'm free) so I'm sorry for the inconvenience it's just I come here to do the RP during my breaks and I haven't had a break since last post.
Give me a step by step on what I did wrong, I have a general idea but I want to know so I don't become a repeat offender.
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All you did was make Lantz bullshit over something insignificant. The fault lies not with you, it lies with lantz and in particular Mike.
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It's not your fault Grey. The lantz drama has been something that has been going on for almost a year now, and when Daiki quit, well... needless to say, after that happened, I'd had enough. Daiki likely left for similar reasons, in that he was sick of said drama as well.
I will possibly come back if something's finally done about this, or possibly if Daiki returns. As for Daiki... sadly, I cannot say.
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Is there a chance of getting Daiki and Alice back. I enjoyed their posts and from what I've seen Alice has been really nice and friendly and Daiki while a little more caustic has been overall reasonable and makes some good posts. I didn't mean to give them grievance however unintentionally.
I just thought that things wouldn't ripple past me and lantz instead of affecting the rest of the players.
I don't want to ruin this for anyone and this is just making me feel bad as Alice was in this from the beginning and Daiki was running some pretty interesting characters
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I'm a little socially unaware but I didn't really notice much drama in this thing.
Also I'm willing to get rid of Grim if my play style will screw with peoples enjoyment. I thought that people would have fun working their way around Grim as I made him to shake things up a bit but if its gotten out of hand i didn't mean it.
Daiki and Alice if you read this I'm sorry about making this hard on you. I thought I was just staying in character by continuing the assault but if that lowered your enjoyment of the RP I truly regret it. Please come back.
I logged off because I was finishing off a catapult assignment for physics (we finished yay! I'm free) so I'm sorry for the inconvenience it's just I come here to do the RP during my breaks and I haven't had a break since last post.
Give me a step by step on what I did wrong, I have a general idea but I want to know so I don't become a repeat offender.
Like I said before, Grim isn't a problem as a character. But, you do need to be a bit more wary of what other people want for their characters when RPing them. If someone really doesn't want you taking over them, even temporarily, it's better if you work something out with them and avoid it. This isn't meant to be an adversarial RP.
As for the stuff with Daiki, that wasn't your fault, it was mine. I just wanted to stop the argument, but I did a crap job of it. You had nothing to do with that.
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It's good to know that you're not permanantly gone Alice.
Daiki can you come back too? Please. I'll agree to not even go near Lantz characters if that was affected you or I just won't use Grim on anyone of your characters if you dislike how Grim operates.
Mike I don't take over. That would be too much. I just lend Grim out as an accessory to anyone he tries to jump on the condition that the host is slightly more aggressive if you can pull it off. If you have a great will save (let's face it a majority of the characters in the RP do) you might not even have that happen to you. I'm just trying to boost my character and the other character. Should I modify my sheet to be a little more clear about that?
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I had no issue other than you determined the result of your actions success which isn't how the game works Gray. If we had the chance to talk about this I'm sure we would have come up with some resolution.
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Daiki can you come back too? Please. I'll agree to not even go near Lantz characters if that was affected you or I just won't use Grim on anyone of your characters if you dislike how Grim operates.
Gray stop blaming yourself jesus. Daiki made it pretty clear that his issue lies with Mike and lantz, both in-and-out of character.
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It's good to know that you're not permanantly gone Alice.
Daiki can you come back too? Please. I'll agree to not even go near Lantz characters if that was affected you or I just won't use Grim on anyone of your characters if you dislike how Grim operates.
The stuff with Daiki was nothing to do with you, honestly. He was annoyed at me and (to some extent) Lantz.
Mike I don't take over. That would be too much. I just lend Grim out as an accessory to anyone he tries to jump on the condition that the host is slightly more aggressive if you can pull it off. If you have a great will save (let's face it a majority of the characters in the RP do) you might not even have that happen to you. I'm just trying to boost my character and the other character. Should I modify my sheet to be a little more clear about that?
It's still a change to their personality, though. And, some people might have a good reason why they really don't want it to happen to that character. If they do, then it is better to take that into account and find a way to avoid it.
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Daiki was right about a resolution, but as Gray said he had school stuff so communication was impossible till seemingly now.
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GM Ruling
Due to the resent situation, I, after talking with the admin and mods, have come to a ruling.
Right now, for a week in real time starting today, I want both Lantzblades and Gray to take a break from the RP. No posting in character until the week's time ends next Monday. I have been a very lenient GM so far and it has caused problems for everyone around. Unfortunately, Daiki quitting has opened my eyes.
So, for the week neither Lantzblades or Gray cannot post In Character in the RP. Consider your characters benched. Luckily though, this suspension is real time and not in game time.
Godmoding and Meta-gaming are against the rules nor are they an acceptable solution to fix problems in game. If anyone has a problem with something that someone is doing in the RP do not godmode or meta-game around it. If that does not work attempt to contact the other player via Private Message or skype or whatever. If you cannot solve your problems like adults, then come to me about it. If I'm not on Skype, PM me. Unfortunately I have both a 40+ hour a week job as well as writing commitments to keep ahead of so I'm not on 24/7. However, I will take your problems into account and make a decision based upon that.
Lantz and Gray, we'll see you in a week.
If I catch anyone else Meta-gaming or Godmoding at this point I will hand out temporary suspensions and if it keeps happening I may have to kick the offender out of the RP proper. I do not want it to come to this, but I've been very lenient so far. It's caused me to lose a very excellent player.
Daiki, you'll be missed.
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As for me, I will be returning. ...But will yet again be delayed by taking a rest for the sake of my own health. I will try to post as soon as possible, but I cannot say for certain at what time. My apologies for yet another delay of this sort. Hopefully there will be a lapse in the drama so I can recover properly this time.
...Also, Daiki, if you ever come back and read this, please come back to us. :( We miss you already.
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I don't think I took him over I just had the momentum continue from the previous post but I can see how it can be seen as cheating now and I regret that decision now. I just wanted to end the back and forth between me and lantz and get to the conclusion I wanted to reach already.
Lantz do you know what would have happened. Grim would have attatched to Satoshi try to read his memories and abilities and would have friggen bsoded after trying to download even just the cliff notes a few million years. I would have instead searched for powers manually found Avalon and the dragon contract. While I could bypass avalon's healing in the same way that a symbiote could bypass spiderman's spider sense. I'd have instead looked at the dragon core. I'd use a little classic Zouken and eat some dragon cicuits (congrats you lose half a percent of your full capcacity, weep tears of sorrow) and buggered off somewhere else.
If you angered Grim enought I would have eaten the whole core and made you a magical cripple. I wouldn't gain immortality due to Avalon only working on king Arthur and the requirement for me ripping it away from you and Grim not even knowing how (he couldn't get it due to aformentioned bsod at attempts to read satoshi's ridiculously large memory banks) wouldn't be able to get that magical energy,
As of now I think I'll just have Grim run away and screw with someone elses plans. I want stuff to be dynamic not just have everyone try to railroad their own plots.
With Forest in the house now I have to run because Grim is smart enough to know 2 vs. 1 with one of them having his weakness are not good odds. Maybe I'll try ressructing a corpse or something.
Alice do you have some health issues? I understand it wasn't my fault entirely but I again don't really feel all to great aggravating those.
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I don't think I took him over I just had the momentum continue from the previous post but I can see how it can be seen as cheating now and I regret that decision now. I just wanted to end the back and forth between me and lantz and get to the conclusion I wanted to reach already.
I think the problem here is in the last part of the last line. You wanted to get to the conclusion you wanted to reach, even though it was clearly one Lantz did not desire. Lantz was obviously not going to go along with that, hence the argument.
You need to work more with other players and make sure that the conclusion you're going for is one that you are both OK with, rather than trying to force your own conclusion on them even if it is one that they feel would cripple their ability to RP. Then you won't get these sort of problems.
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Alice do you have some health issues? I understand it wasn't my fault entirely but I again don't really feel all to great aggravating those.
Nah, it's just this sort of drama's been occurring for awhile when it concerns lantz's RPing, and basically I got fed up with it. It's been eating at my mental health for some time, sadly. What set me over the edge today is that it got to a point where it caused Daiki to abandon ship, which is again, not your fault at all. It's hardly your fault at all, so don't worry about it. :)
...That, and I managed to pick up something nasty today, bug-wise. ^^" Unless you're somehow able to magically send me pathogens over the internet, somehow I don't think that's your fault at all. :P
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I have little positive to say on this situation, besides thanking Daiki for being fun to RP alongside and hoping that he isn't gone for good.
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Can I still make character applications? Also an I do a quick bit about Grim running to recuperate and about Avdol passing out to explain the week gap of real time away.
I can say I saw a passing image of you while you were in the other world (nexus city seems to pull the magical towards it) and I collapsed at teh point you're set to reappear. I'll be mumbling in my dreams about healing them so if that could help you get some context.
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So yeah...
Brahmastra, when are you going to reply to my post? It has been up for a while. Or did it get swallowed up in the sea of drama that I have been ignoring?
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Ill get to it. I need sleep.
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Well, to be honest, I am not posting anything right now because of a couple reasons. One, I am letting my characters incubate their strength in the city for now. It's because their powers, mainly Rattus, come from money and connections rather than the supernatural, aside from the after mentioned practical skills.
Two, I don't really like the direction the RP is going right now. We didn't want aliens in the RP because we are afraid that the likes of Goku pwning everyone easily. Yet we are edging close or, I dare say this, going into this level. I mean, at least Goku had the decency to take his fights into the wastelands, without civilians getting caught in the crossfire of Kamehamehas.
So you can say that I am, as of now, in a semi-hiatus mode.
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Since I asked Elf myself Gray, I can answer that. Yes you may make applications, you may also post here in the discussion thread. No you cannot for the time specified post in the RP thread.
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If Daiki quitted permamently I assume that me and Mandible have to continue without him, right? What do you think about it, Elf?
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Also an I do a quick bit about Grim running to recuperate and about Avdol passing out to explain the week gap of real time away.
I can say I saw a passing image of you while you were in the other world (nexus city seems to pull the magical towards it) and I collapsed at teh point you're set to reappear. I'll be mumbling in my dreams about healing them so if that could help you get some context.
You really don't need to bother. There are people in the compound who haven't posted in about 3 weeks, so you're only getting back onto our timescale anyway.
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Having spoken to Daiki via PM, he has told me he won't be returning to Cross Effects - and possibly even DSM.
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Ah man I was having some fun with him and his Mordred now what're we gonna do.
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Mind hookinp up with me and Mandible?
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Ah man I was having some fun with him and his Mordred now what're we gonna do.
No fucking clue.
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Guys, I have like 7 slots left to fill, so I can either use my first character or create a third.
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Kat what are you going to do with your 1st character? Isn't he with Daiki's?
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Daiki told me to do what I want now.
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I hate to bring this up since he just left but I should at least try to figure it out while I can, does anybody want take up Mordred for me now that Daiki isn't going to?
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If you really need her, you could pick her up yourself.
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Well that kinda ruins the whole point of her joining up with Downy's group I don't want to control her it would be a lot more fun if someone else did.
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I can overtake Mordred, but give me some time to research.
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...And suddenly I regret deciding not to quit.
God damn it, Mike and lantz. God damn it to you both.
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what is it THIS time?
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What happened, Alice?
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The news that Daiki is quitting permanently, similar to last time. I'm really upset over it, because this could have been prevented long ago by just not reapproving Toshi's sheet when it was redone all those months ago. But no. Mike wouldn't let that happen. He wouldn't let anything happen to lantz that was remotely bad. And now the forum's paid the price, and likely will continue to pay the price through a reputation for this sort of crap.
I'm tired of seeing all my hard work undermined by one man's over-defensiveness of his friend. It's so damn frustrating, it hurts. The forum's going to keep losing members and eventually die if this keeps up. And the fact that this is happening under these circumstances to begin with pisses me off.
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Don't blame yourself for this. You did what you could and I do not believe that Daiki is blaming you for how this turned out.
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It's hilarious how Mike is becoming his own self-imposed image of Altima. To quote McJon, "Mike has become a parody of himself over time. I thought that only happened to fictional characters."
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In other words, he is a William Shartner.
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It's hilarious how Mike is becoming his own self-imposed image of Altima. To quote McJon, "Mike has become a parody of himself over time. I thought that only happened to fictional characters."
In what way am I anything like Altima? If I were like Altima I'd have stabbed Lantz in the back and banned him.
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In what way am I anything like Altima? If I were like Altima I'd have stabbed Lantz in the back and banned him.
Remember how Altima actually prolonged your stay at BL by defending you?
I'd have stabbed Lantz in the back and banned him.
That'd be hilarious.
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What Kat said, but with more of my thinly-veiled insults mixed in.
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Mike, kindly don't hand out fuel for people to throw into the fire at your feet.
Brah, Kat - please don't. Your comments won't help Alice/Revy or remedy this situation.
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In what way am I anything like Altima? If I were like Altima I'd have stabbed Lantz in the back and banned him.
Remember how Altima actually prolonged your stay at BL by defending you?
Yeah, oddly enough, that's not the part of Altima's behaviour I object to....
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And oddly enough, that's the part of Altima's behavior no one will forget or forgive.
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Yeah, oddly enough, that's not the part of Altima's behaviour I object to....
Not odd at all. People like being defended and normally don't object to being protected.
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And oddly enough, that's the part of Altima's behavior no one will forget or forgive.
No, that's the part of his behaviour that people who hate me will not forget or forgive. My friends certainly do not think that way, and nor do I.
Yeah, oddly enough, that's not the part of Altima's behaviour I object to....
Not odd at all. People like being defended and normally don't object to being protected.
Lol, yeah, I know that. The "oddly enough" bit was sarcasm.
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And oddly enough, that's the part of Altima's behavior no one will forget or forgive.
No, that's the part of his behaviour that people who hate me will not forget or forgive. My friends certainly do not think that way, and nor do I.
And oddly enough, 98% of BL was and is under that demographic by the time you finally got banned.
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Take it to the PMs or VMs. Not the place.
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Just a heads up, I'll be retiring James shortly, cool idea but he never had anything to do, so unless someone really wants to include him in something I'll be dropping him.
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Thanks Kuro about the mass healing. That will solve the headache I'll get when Avdol wakes up and I can now shift his priorities to finding out what the city is and how to adapts to it.
So I guess that means Grim will never be able to meet Satoshi or any of Lantz's characters again? It would be out of character to not hold a grudge against Satoshi but if it's for the overall health of the RP I'll try to avoid them before I create that character I'll have to be permanent host.
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Nah, you can meet up with them again, that's not an issue, but for your own sanity I'd advise avoiding them unless you have to interact with them. ...Trust me, it's for the best.
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You don't have to avoid my characters Gray, just discuss the issue before you try to change my characters (and yeah, bonding with a symbiote alters their personality) or take things from them. The rules are right there dude, no killing or changing of a character without a players consent
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Did you not hear my plan? I was going to run away after Bsoding while trying to read your ridiculously large memory banks. It would make them more agressive (your dragon already does that, i'm pretty sure your million year old OC can handle that). I just wanted to make the game a little interesting is all.
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You also claimed you'd eat my circuits Gray, also Symbiotes, Pete's especially are older than Satoshi. They can't bsod.
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You also claimed you'd eat my circuits Gray, also Symbiotes, Pete's especially are older than Satoshi. They can't bsod.
Satoshi is older than the earth and likely several other planets - and Venom isn't the oldest of his kind, in fact I think it's the opposite.
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I'd eat like one 200th of your full capacity. If I could get you to agree with it I would have eaten the whole thing but dude one 200th of your circuits (that's half a percent man) isn't too much of a loss. I would have gotten a boost and been out of your hair.
Mine is stated to be 2 months old in my character sheet. Look at Carnage he's not too old or his son Toxin which is younger still. Grim crashed in a meteorite onto the earth (yeah I'm using spiderman 3's explanation of how it got to earth) it didn't have any experience before then. The reason I assume Venom is as old as the point he appeared in the comics is the fact that he didn't show any already preabsorbed abilities. He just was a light enhancement and since the symbiotes in the comics don't actually show off their assimilated abilites too often it seems that the first bonding means something. I bonded to Zouken's magic crest made to bond and network with familiars, the consumption abilities it just extended the variablitiy of my symbiotes ability. In the backstory I even took an AU spiderman clone out for a ride and it still wasn't enough to be the one. I would have done not much to you at all.
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Symbiotes have front loaded knowledge about the universe. Their age doesn't matter in regards to that. As for eating the circuits, it's permanent damage. I'm not really cool with that
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I remember nothing related to the Symbiotes having any kind of pre-loaded universal knowledge. And the permanent damage is so insignificant (as Gray said, ½% perfentile loss literally nothing) that it doesn't really matter.
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I said mine was 2 months old. There is genetic memory sure. Should I modify it so that my symbiote is like toxin and is one of the one in 1000 that is skipped the memory tranfer?
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No Brah, permanent matters, no matter how small.
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How many circuits does he have anyway?
Edit: I saw 3200 units for full output.
Dude. You're literally losing nothing if you have that much, lmao
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, screw it, I'll finally join this shindig.
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Still open to more meat for the grinder?
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, screw it, I'll finally join this shindig.
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Still open to more meat for the grinder?
That's an awesome sig there.
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Why, thank you!
Had more, but Mike said they took up way too much space on some screens.
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Why, thank you!
Had more, but Mike said they took up way too much space on some screens.
What a shame. :(
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Why, thank you!
Had more, but Mike said they took up way too much space on some screens.
You can actually get around it by stuffing them under a spoiler tag. That's what I've done in the past over on BL anyway. :)
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Coming back to the subject at hand, why worry about losing a measly digit number of prana? You still have a tanker ship load of fuel to cast spells.
Edit: Assuming we're following the numbers in here (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills).
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Permanent is permanent Salto, the point is, you have to get a players ok to do permanent damage. I was never consulted on the matter everyone just assumed I should get hurt permanently despite the rules.
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I get your point about it. But you need to understand that it's not even going to do much to your ability to cast magecraft. It's literally only an approximate 16 units of Prana that you're losing. Especially out of an output of a whopping 3200 units (which is freakishly ginormous). And considering that your character is... for the lack of a better word, perfect in every way, I suggest you try to eventually try to tone that down ICly. It doesn't have to be permanent like how it is here. Just maybe have a moment of weakness where your character can grow and develop from.
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He's not perfect, and he's already weakened in the RP currently.
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Really? Admittedly, I'm not sure if I want to read 125 pages of material right away. But could anyone give me a simple summary so far?
Edit: I'm currently multi-tasking with several things. Cause you know, finals are coming up.
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Summarizing the whole LP is... well, it's going to be a damn long summary, let me tell you that much. :V
To just answer your question at least, Toshi is weakened. ...sorta. Kinda. Toshi has some sort of weird... age cycling thing. Presently he's an old man. Likely he's still pretty damn OP though, due to the insane number of circuits. He claimed in the RP that he was "out of magic," but considering the amount of prana I suspect he's packing? I doubt it.
As for the second part... I'm not going to get into that too much because attempts to debate this in the past have made me feel like I'm slamming my head into a wall repeatedly, and I'm supposed to be taking it easy anyway, so I'm going to skimp on the details a bit, but Toshi is portrayed in such a way that he comes off as if he's supposed to be perceived as if he's nearly perfect, even if that's not the case. The majority of his flaws are unintentional on lantz's part. ...And that's all I'm saying on the subject for now for the sake of my sanity. ^^"
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Summarizing the whole LP is... well, it's going to be a damn long summary, let me tell you that much. :V
To just answer your question at least, Toshi is weakened. ...sorta. Kinda. Toshi has some sort of weird... age cycling thing. Presently he's an old man. Likely he's still pretty damn OP though, due to the insane number of circuits. He claimed in the RP that he was "out of magic," but considering the amount of prana I suspect he's packing? I doubt it.
As for the second part... I'm not going to get into that too much because attempts to debate this in the past have made me feel like I'm slamming my head into a wall repeatedly, and I'm supposed to be taking it easy anyway, so I'm going to skimp on the details a bit, but Toshi is portrayed in such a way that he comes off as if he's supposed to be perceived as if he's nearly perfect, even if that's not the case. The majority of his flaws are unintentional on lantz's part. ...And that's all I'm saying on the subject for now for the sake of my sanity. ^^"
Thank you for your help, Alice. I appreciate it. Also, take it easy. It sounds like you've been through quite a bit.
That said, I suppose being really low on Prana is a huge setback. If I may tempt you with one more question: He was in a huge fight or something? Assuming that he is "out of magic"?
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Thank you, I will. :)
As for the cause of the low amount of prana... no clue. ^^" I mean, he had the fight with the symbiote I guess, but I don't think the fire spell could have consumed that much prana. Nor did making those manacles for Angra... however that worked. Or placing that spell to prevent messing with the corpses of Shuya and Isa upstairs. Or even the glamour concealing his "old man" look.
It's possible it's due to Old Man Mode, but... that doesn't make sense either. Not with Toshi's circuit count and what I suspect to be vast prana reserves. I doubt that would have changed drastically with age, even if his physical strength dropped. ...So yeah, with that one, your guess is as good as mine. ^^"
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It's obvious on the sheet, the Dragon's flame puts huge stress on his body, it's not cheap either. Then Forest dropped a neutralizing agent into the mix, bam 3200 to 10. And yes as an old man who has trouble walking period and can barely manage stairs he is certainly weaker.
and no, for the last time, he's not perfect, nor do my characters praise him (exception being taiga because 8 year old)
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It says it puts stress but it says nothing in regards to that costing Prana (particularly because Nasu dragons have lungs that literally generate prana just by breathing), just like the words "comic books" aren't mentioned a single time on that sheet.
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Did Nessa die in the fire, Arch-Magos? Alice is willing to take over her.
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Did Nessa die in the fire, Arch-Magos? Alice is willing to take over her.
Nah, Nessa is fine. Though having some other consequences for Satoshi to deal with would be nice to see. Killing the innocent and all, and how he'd react.
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I don't think the fire went beyond the garage, though. Was Nessa in there?
And, honestly, from what I know of Toshi's backstory, he probably has killed innocent people before. He's done a lot of stuff, and I doubt he's never made a mistake that resulted in someone dying.
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I don't think the fire went beyond the garage, though. Was Nessa in there?
And, honestly, from what I know of Toshi's backstory, he probably has killed innocent people before. He's done a lot of stuff, and I doubt he's never made a mistake that resulted in someone dying.
If he feels responsible if a symbiote using his powers kills someone, then he probably won't be fine with roasting a few people himself.
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Forest stopped the fire so no, it didn't get beyond the garage. As for consequences, no.
as for you Brah, you're talking nonsense.
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Ill do what apparently deeply insults you, IE link sources.
"Dragons are creatures that generate prana merely by breathing, their lungs acting as spiritual worlds. Dragons each have an attribute, and their strongest weapon, Dragon's Breath (ドラゴンブレス), capitalizes upon it by using breath to spread it excessively over a wide area of effect as a torrent of mana. Red dragons carry flame, blue dragons carry thunder, black dragons carry acid, and Elizabeth Bathory carries soundwaves. The damage value, according to a certain rulebook, is the same as the constitution value of the dragon. Due to having a constitution value which transcends that of humans by far, it is not unreasonable to think of a single dragon being able to destroy a whole country when equally spreading the damage from its breath throughout a whole army."
Source: https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/entry-126-into-a-heart-inside-a-heart/, as well as Complete Materials.
If you want to have super speshul Merlinman shove dragons into your SI, you should consider reading up on your facts. Even if you used up 3200 units of prana (read: over 3 times Rin's capacity) on a minor firestorm, Satoshi should regain it instantly just by breathing.
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Actually I was referring to the comics bit. I don't care what you think elsewise.
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So, what you're saying, Brah, is that you want Toshi to be even more powerful? I thought you were complaining about how powerful he is already....
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I don't care what you think elsewise.
Likewise, your opinion has mattered about as little to me as that of whatever Higgs Bosons were wasted in your creation.
So, what you're saying, Brah, is that you want Toshi to be even more powerful? I thought you were complaining about how powerful he is already....
I dont even give a shit about his powerlevels at this point, I just give a shit about the fact that his character's very existence is raping canon in it's papery ass.
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Likewise, your opinion has mattered about as little to me as that of whatever Higgs Bosons were wasted in your creation.
Erm, Higgs bosons only last for a tiny fraction of a second, and can be created and destroyed freely, you can't "waste" them....
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I thought we didn't give a shit about canon in here? Physics are the canon of the universe, therefor I can ignore them in this context.
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Ill do what apparently deeply insults you, IE link sources.
"Dragons are creatures that generate prana merely by breathing, their lungs acting as spiritual worlds. Dragons each have an attribute, and their strongest weapon, Dragon's Breath (ドラゴンブレス), capitalizes upon it by using breath to spread it excessively over a wide area of effect as a torrent of mana. Red dragons carry flame, blue dragons carry thunder, black dragons carry acid, and Elizabeth Bathory carries soundwaves. The damage value, according to a certain rulebook, is the same as the constitution value of the dragon. Due to having a constitution value which transcends that of humans by far, it is not unreasonable to think of a single dragon being able to destroy a whole country when equally spreading the damage from its breath throughout a whole army."
Source: https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/entry-126-into-a-heart-inside-a-heart/, as well as Complete Materials.
If you want to have super speshul Merlinman shove dragons into your SI, you should consider reading up on your facts. Even if you used up 3200 units of prana (read: over 3 times Rin's capacity) on a minor firestorm, Satoshi should regain it instantly just by breathing.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Those fuckers. They have it easy.
Actually I was referring to the comics bit. I don't care what you think elsewise.
Let's be civil please.
I dont even give a shit about his powerlevels at this point, I just give a shit about the fact that his character's very existence is raping canon in it's papery ass.
Looking at the sheet, I have to admit it does make me feel really uncomfortable at how it has little regard of canon and.... Perfect.
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"Dragons are creatures that generate prana merely by breathing, their lungs acting as spiritual worlds. Dragons each have an attribute, and their strongest weapon, Dragon's Breath (ドラゴンブレス), capitalizes upon it by using breath to spread it excessively over a wide area of effect as a torrent of mana. Red dragons carry flame, blue dragons carry thunder, black dragons carry acid, and Elizabeth Bathory carries soundwaves. The damage value, according to a certain rulebook, is the same as the constitution value of the dragon. Due to having a constitution value which transcends that of humans by far, it is not unreasonable to think of a single dragon being able to destroy a whole country when equally spreading the damage from its breath throughout a whole army."
Source: https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/entry-126-into-a-heart-inside-a-heart/, as well as Complete Materials.
You know, I could actually adapt some of this into improving Lycodrake Aptera - at least for Cross Effects and in relation to Nasuverse.
Though, really, his "Heat" magic that he uses is there to cauterize, shred through metal armor, and keep himself warm.
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Lyco isn't a Nasuverse dragon, though, right? And, Cross Effects isn't actually set in the Nasuverse, either, so there is no reason Nasuverse mechanics should have any special relevance over those of other universes that are represented.
Obviously, there's no reason you can't use it, but nor should you feel you need to do so for the sake of this RP.
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Lyco isn't a Nasuverse dragon, though, right? And, Cross Effects isn't actually set in the Nasuverse, either, so there is no reason Nasuverse mechanics should have any special relevance over those of other universes that are represented.
Obviously, there's no reason you can't use it, but nor should you feel you need to do so for the sake of this RP.
Very true. This is just a bit of brainstorming on my end, though I imagine Nasuverse characters might - or probably - expect him to be like their's.
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And, Cross Effects isn't actually set in the Nasuverse, either, so there is no reason Nasuverse mechanics should have any special relevance over those of other universes that are represented.
Unrelated to Lyco, but when you wanna make a character like Satoshi who's built in and from the Nasuverse, you should probably (read: 100%) follow it's mechanics, even if you fuck them a bit in the process.
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Lyco isn't a Nasuverse dragon, though, right? And, Cross Effects isn't actually set in the Nasuverse, either, so there is no reason Nasuverse mechanics should have any special relevance over those of other universes that are represented.
Obviously, there's no reason you can't use it, but nor should you feel you need to do so for the sake of this RP.
Very true. This is just a bit of brainstorming on my end, though I imagine Nasuverse characters might - or probably - expect him to be like their's.
Well, they might well expect it (assuming they even know what a Nasuverse dragon is meant to be like, which I'm not convinced is true for most modern people, even magi), but it won't take long for them to realise he's very different.
And, Cross Effects isn't actually set in the Nasuverse, either, so there is no reason Nasuverse mechanics should have any special relevance over those of other universes that are represented.
Unrelated to Lyco, but when you wanna make a character like Satoshi who's built in and from the Nasuverse, you should probably (read: 100%) follow it's mechanics, even if you fuck them a bit in the process.
Most likely, Lantz designed Toshi before that even came out, and since it would make him utterly ludicrous and, thus, ruin the story entirely if he went with that, he decided to just continue with what he had. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that, most people aren't bothered if you make a few minor changes from canon for the sake of a workable story.
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Hes already utterly ludicrous, I don't see your point Mike.
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However, the power of the dragon channeled through a human body puts an immense stress of the user, and even with Avalon Satoshi cannot sustain the power for a terribly long time.
This implies that using dragon fire simply puts stress on his body, and that Satoshi cannot use for a long time even with Avalon's regeneration. Nothing about prana. I have also gone through Satoshi's profile and I haven't seen any mention of comics. Do you mind quoting it Lantz?
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I created and wrote the character before ever coming to the proboards BL, when I arrived several helpful members of the community helped me to rewrite him by way of conversation and direction to resources. The proto version is more spoof than character and the rebuild was good for him.
That said, character material three was nowhere on the horizon and the other material wasn't complete. So Satoshi doesn't fit the current Nasuverse material perfectly, given how long I spent rewriting him and the story I'm okay with that. I'm not rewriting him everytime Nasu revises or adds something to canon, that's like trying to keep up with DC reboots, it's stupid on it's face.
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However, the power of the dragon channeled through a human body puts an immense stress of the user, and even with Avalon Satoshi cannot sustain the power for a terribly long time.
This implies that using dragon fire simply puts stress on his body, and that Satoshi cannot use for a long time even with Avalon's regeneration. Nothing about prana. I have also gone through Satoshi's profile and I haven't seen any mention of comics. Do you mind quoting it Lantz?
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And the sheet you're using for this RP is from late 2013, even if the character itself is older than that, I couldn't give less of a shit about his creation process that was entirely you (and possibly Mike). CMIII and CCC had been out for months at that point.
Also, answer Umbra's question, because I'm curious too. There's only mentions that he likes Kamen Rider and Gundam, neither of which are connected to Marvel.
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And the sheet you're using for this RP is from late 2013, even if the character itself is older than that, I couldn't give less of a shit about his creation process that was entirely you (and possibly Mike). CMIII and CCC had been out for months at that point.
Yes, but Satoshi wasn't made specifically for the RP, and I think it is not at-all reasonable to expect Lantz to change his character just to ensure he sticks rigidly to canon in an RP that isn't even strictly Nasuverse-based in the first place. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if my characters break some obscure aspect of canon either, since I've not read any of the Side Material books, and I quite frankly don't care even if they do. To me, what matters most is characterisation, not rigid adherence to every single minor aspect of canon.
Also, answer Umbra's question, because I'm curious too. There's only mentions that he likes Kamen Rider and Gundam, neither of which are connected to Marvel.
Yeah, I can't seem to find any mention of it in the sheet. However, as I said before, whilst a character's powers obviously should be mentioned in their sheet, it is not true that every single piece of knowledge that they have needs to be. If all character sheets needed a list of every TV show they have ever watched and every book they have ever read, they would be ridiculously long and unwieldy. At most it is an accidental oversight, and not one that he should reasonably be penalised for.
Even if it is not specifically mentioned in the sheet, his knowledge of Marvel has been demonstrated in-character before, and thus it is not meta-gaming for him to know of the Symbiote as a character. Further, since Gray would not ICly know he had this knowledge, the fact that it is not mentioned in the sheet is irrelevant, because acting on that knowledge would itself be meta-gaming.
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If you want to specifically identify characters based on what medium they come from, the character's enjoyment of that medium should be expressed in the sheet. If Symbiotes were Kamen Rider characters or someone made an ELS character, then I wouldn't be surprised for Satoshi to recognize them because his "likes" specifically list Kamen Rider and Gundam. However, there's no mention of comic books, more specifically Marvel or Spider-Man, and by that, it's metagaming.
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That's my view as well Mike, characters over setting.
the knowledge was already demonstrated in the RP before gray ever joined.
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If you want to specifically identify characters based on what medium they come from, the character's enjoyment of that medium should be expressed in the sheet. If Symbiotes were Kamen Rider characters or someone made an ELS character, then I wouldn't be surprised for Satoshi to recognize them because his "likes" specifically list Kamen Rider and Gundam. However, there's no mention of comic books, more specifically Marvel or Spider-Man, and by that, it's metagaming.
Nope, because it is entirely possible to identify a character without liking the story they are from. I could identify characters from stories I don't like or, in some cases, have barely ever seen.
You are taking an extremely limited idea of what knowledge characters are allowed, which, if it was held to, would seriously impair people's ability to RP. This is not meant to be an adversarial RP, we are not here to fight each other, and character sheets are only an overview of a character (in particular their abilities), not determinants of their entire personality. Lantz made it clear in-character that he knew of comics well before this event happened, and no-one (in particular Elf) complained about it then, so there is absolutely no justification for complaining now.
The point of this RP is to role play as realistic people. Realistic people don't have knowledge, personalities and abilities that can be perfectly represented by a page-long character sheet. So, no, Lantz absolutely does not have to include everything Toshi knows on the sheet, and if you think he is meta-gaming because of this then I am absolutely certain you will see me and just about everyone who is playing this RP properly as meta-gaming as well at some point. What you are arguing would absolutely wreck the RP if it was held to, so I make no apologies for saying that I absolutely will not hold to it if such a situation ever comes up for me.
If my characters should reasonably know of the existence of an enemy on the basis of how I see them in my mind, then I will say that they know of them, regardless of what my sheet says and, even, whether or not I have mentioned it in-game before. If you don't like that, then tough shit, because this RP is not meant to be about who can make the most powerful character and win every fight.
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Fuck arguing about this. Like always and forever, it's like talking to a wall with "I am going to completely ignore every good point in what you said and then miss the point completely because I'm a fucking doof who's white-knighting his butt-buddy" written on it. Just like arguing with lantz is like talking to a wall that says "I'm right you're wrong because I said so".
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No, I am not arguing with you because I am protecting Lantz, I am arguing with you because your logic is toxic to the whole purpose of the RP.
And, no, I'm not ignoring every good point in what you said, you have simply not yet made any good points for me to take notice of. You seem to be arguing under the impression that this is some sort of extremely rigid D&D game run by a very formal and strict DM where everything your character knows or can do has to be mentioned in the sheet, regardless of how irrelevant it might seem at character creation. That results in extremely shallow and limited characters that might be OK for a D&D campaign based mostly around fighting stuff, but are absolutely horrendous for a free-form RP like this.
If you make an actual good point, I will acknowledge it. Until then, I will continue to just point out why you are talking crap.
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And, no, I'm not ignoring every good point in what you said, because I have yet to see any good points in anything you have said.
Hence, missing the fucking point.
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And, no, I'm not ignoring every good point in what you said, because I have yet to see any good points in anything you have said.
Hence, missing the fucking point.
No, I'm not missing the point, I'm telling you that you don't have a point. Because, quite frankly, you don't.
Your entire argument is dumb and based on a totally different type of RP, and even if you were right, Lantz was clearly not meta-gaming because the knowledge in question was already well-established in-character long before this event happened. At most, it is an accidental omission from his sheet, he clearly did not just invent it because he had mentioned it a long time ago.
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Sometimes I genuinely do fucking wonder if we're speaking the same language, or that you have some language filter on. If you were writing Swahili into google translate and then pasting it into you're posts, I'd forgive that because of the language barrier, but that seems to not be the case.
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Well, I'm guessing that you are not a native English speaker, so it is not implausible that we are misunderstanding each other.
However, like I said, I do not think I am missing your point, I quite simply do not agree with it. I can't see anything in what you said that I could be misunderstanding, it is just plain wrong, and I have explained why multiple times.
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I find that mildly offensive because native speaker lantz is 11 years older than me and yet wouldn't know what native speaker English was if I whacked him in the face with it.
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My grammar issues are my business Brah. Keep whatever opinion you have to yourself
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It's not a wrong opinion if you recognize it yourself, and it's not an opinion if it's fact.
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I find that mildly offensive because native speaker lantz is 11 years older than me and yet wouldn't know what native speaker English was if I whacked him in the face with it.
You're the one who made the comment about us "speaking the same language", not me.
It's not a wrong opinion if you recognize it yourself, and it's not an opinion if it's fact.
Just because Lantz's grammar isn't brilliant that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to speak English.
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It's not a wrong opinion if you recognize it yourself, and it's not an opinion if it's fact.
Just because Lantz's grammar isn't brilliant that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to speak English.
You're saying this like I don't know how to speak English.
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It's not a wrong opinion if you recognize it yourself, and it's not an opinion if it's fact.
Just because Lantz's grammar isn't brilliant that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to speak English.
You're saying this like I don't know how to speak English.
I never said that, you obviously do. But, people who learn it as a second language can sometimes miss certain things, or speak more literally than people who are native speakers. Admittedly, if you are Aspergic, as you claim, then that would also contribute to such misunderstandings (as it does from my end).
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I think everyone should chill. Please. .__.
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A problem is recognizing a black mass of goo that could be multiple things as a symbiote. Then using an extremely taxing techniques to stop something that you don't understand. If he had just thrown up a barrier it would have made more sense.
Edit: He also used a super effective and taxing move.
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I never said that, you obviously do. But, people who learn it as a second language can sometimes miss certain things, or speak more literally than people who are native speakers. Admittedly, if you are Aspergic, as you claim, then that would also contribute to such misunderstandings (as it does from my end).
Asperger's and Autism are two very different things, Mike, and by all technicality I'm without a diagnosis, I just show the majority of the symptoms. Do not compare the two, they are entirely independent of each other. Then again, they do say that scientists are shit-for-brains in any field not their own.
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A problem is recognizing a black mass of goo that could be multiple things as a symbiote.
Well, yes, that is true, and Elf said as much. That is a separate argument from the one I am having here, though.
I never said that, you obviously do. But, people who learn it as a second language can sometimes miss certain things, or speak more literally than people who are native speakers. Admittedly, if you are Aspergic, as you claim, then that would also contribute to such misunderstandings (as it does from my end).
Asperger's and Autism are two very different things, Mike, and by all technicality I'm without a diagnosis, I just show the majority of the symptoms. Do not compare the two, they are entirely independent of each other. Then again, they do say that scientists are shit-for-brains in any field not their own.
Actually, no, they're not. Asperger's is literally just a form of Autism (specifically a milder form). There might have been a time they were treated as distinct, but currently they are not, at least in this country.
And, honestly, if you're without a diagnosis then go and get one....
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Actually, no, they're not. Asperger's is literally just a form of Autism.
Jesus Christ Mike if you want to call people mentally ill then at least fucking look up what they are. The only thing that are similar is that they both categorize under the old definition of autism, that being social withdrawal common among people with a secondary diagnosis like schizophrenia. Minus that they are completely different things. I find it actually pretty insulting that you're comparing the two so casually when you obviously don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
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Umbra it's an assumption, he even says amid the fight that he thinks his assumption was wrong. He only knows of two things that are black masses.
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Actually, no, they're not. Asperger's is literally just a form of Autism.
Jesus Christ Mike if you want to call people mentally ill then at least fucking look up what they are. The only thing that are similar is that they both categorize under the old definition of autism, that being social withdrawal common among people with a secondary diagnosis like schizophrenia. Minus that they are completely different things. I find it actually pretty insulting that you're comparing the two so casually when you obviously don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.
Erm, no, I know exactly what I am talking about. Asperger's is literally just defined as a mild form of Autism, in this country at least. In fact, in this country Asperger's is not even considered to exist at all, it is just lumped in as "Autism Spectrum Disorders". Stop talking out of your ass about things that you clearly do not understand.
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By the way, here is the Wikipedia article on the topic, in case you aren't capable of finding it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_syndrome)
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Erm, no, I know exactly what I am talking about. Asperger's is literally just defined as a mild form of Autism, in this country at least. In fact, in this country Asperger's is not even considered to exist at all, it is just lumped in as "Autism Spectrum Disorders". Stop talking out of your ass about things that you clearly do not understand.
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By the way, here is the Wikipedia article on the topic, in case you aren't capable of finding it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_syndrome)
(http://i.imgur.com/huGVtwT.png?1)
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Umbra it's an assumption, he even says amid the fight that he thinks his assumption was wrong. He only knows of two things that are black masses.
Lantz you have an experienced fighter assume in a combat situation. That doesn't happen. You take control of the situation and examine. That is why him creating a shield or barrier would make more sense. You can slow down and take a good look at the attacker. If Satoshi really spent 2000 years combating evil in the multiverse then the first thing he would learn is nothing is as it seems. You don't assume an unknown is something you know and use an incredibly taxing skill to stop it. That leaves you vulenerable.
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Brah, I did not post the Wikipedia link because I got my information from there, I posted it because I know damn well that you are talking shit and wanted to give you the opportunity to read up on a topic you self-evidentially do not understand.
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What Umbra said, and also three pages go by while I try to write a post, ugh.
I am just going to add in my opinion as this does not look to be ending anytime soon.
I saw no problem with Satoshi knowing about the symbiote in itself, but picking it out as quickly as he did was vastly inplausible, had he waited a post or two, or showed more of the thought process that led him to that conclusion it would have been more believable.
So no, him knowing about the symbiote was not meta at all, him realizing almost instantly was, but only a little, this was so minor an infraction as to be in truth unworthy of bringing up seriously but ended up as a multi page argument that keeps getting brought back up.
There was a small amount of meta, but there is a little bit of that in virtually every character anyway. Certainly not enough to come close to justifying this enormous clusterfuck.
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Brah, I did not post the Wikipedia link because I got my information from there, I posted it because I know damn well that you are talking shit and wanted to give you the opportunity to read up on a topic you self-evidentially do not understand.
If I wanted to learn about something I wouldn't go to something publicly editable, I'd go read thesis's and doctor's notes.
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Brah, I did not post the Wikipedia link because I got my information from there, I posted it because I know damn well that you are talking shit and wanted to give you the opportunity to read up on a topic you self-evidentially do not understand.
http://www.autism-society.org/about-autism/aspergers-syndrome/ (http://www.autism-society.org/about-autism/aspergers-syndrome/)
Asperger’s Disorder was added to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) in 1994 as a separate disorder from autism. However, there are still many professionals who consider Asperger’s Disorder a less severe form of autism. In 2013, the DSM-5 replaced autism, Asperger’s Disorder and other pervasive developmental disorders with the umbrella diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
Edit: You know I almost forgot this was the thread for debating about disorders. Oh wait.
Edit2: Kuro it was instantly recognizing the symbiote which lead to dragon fire. That's like someone recognizing Satoshi has a dragon soul on sight and blasting him with anti dragon weapons.
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Brah, I did not post the Wikipedia link because I got my information from there, I posted it because I know damn well that you are talking shit and wanted to give you the opportunity to read up on a topic you self-evidentially do not understand.
If I wanted to learn about something I wouldn't go to something publicly editable, I'd go read thesis's and doctor's notes.
Yeah, Wikipedia is publicly editable, but it is still broadly reliable, especially on topics that are reasonably popular. And, in this case it is a matter of definition, so reading someone's thesis is not going to help, and nor is reading doctor's notes. You need to read the DSM or whatever, and that will tell you exactly what Wikipedia tells you, because Wikipedia uses it as a source.
Just because something is written by ordinary people it does not mean it is unreliable, and just because something is written by an "expert" it does not mean it is right. Wikipedia is reliable because it sources its information and has a lot of people hanging around solely to prevent vandalism. Sure, anyone can edit it, but bad-faith edits don't tend to stay for more than a few minutes, and would be instantly obvious if you checked the history.
Edit: Thank you, Umbra. And, yes, this is not the place to be having an argument over the definition of Asperger's Syndrome....
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No Umbra, learn to read. Satoshi's direct defense is that flame, unless the symbiote was made of fire that was going to happen.
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I never said Asperger's was autism. It has just been place under an umbrella term along with several other development disorders, but this is not the place to discuss it.
Edit: ^Can anyone else prove this? Has Satoshi consistently been using dragon fire as a primary defense? The incredibly draining dragon fire that fucking Avalon can't keep up with after a while?
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I never said Asperger's was autism. It has just been place under an umbrella term along with several other development disorders, but this is not the place to discuss it.
Whether or not it is autism, it is certainly not "completely different".
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Mike, wikipedia is only sufficient for most basic information. It's better to find more reliable and in-depth sources when discussing ANYTHING.
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Edit: You know I almost forgot this was the thread for debating about disorders. Oh wait.
If you really want to continue this VM or PM me. Otherwise you can make a new thread or drop it.
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Direct Umbra, not only or first defense. In old man mode specifically it's a primary defense because he only has magic as his body is frail.
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Can the debate about Asperger's and Autism stop, please?
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Lantz, a frail body means you wouldn't do much that would be taxing on the body. Like say the dragon fire that you used. This is also disregarding the fact you say he can only use magic and yet the aformentioned barriers are also, you guessed it, magic. So that option isn't eliminated in the slightest.
On a related note you mentioned that the Dragon fire should have flat out killed Grim. One thing your character shouldn't have been aware of the my magic resistance and you said that my magecraft shouldn't be enough to defend against your dragon fire so did you really mean to kill Grim off? Satoshi kept telling it to go away so he didn't mean to kill Grim judging from the dialouge but that leaves the problem that you were using lethal force on an unidentified target. Also how did you expect me to even surive Lantz if your fire is apparently good enough to outpower everything I have. It makes it sound like you wanted to kill Grim flat out because if I didn't use my barrier, water and resistance combo Grim would have died and there is no way you or Satoshi of know that I wouldn't have died right there. So what the hell? You complain about a temporary change or loss of half a percent of your circuits but you don't bat an eye at the idea of fully killing my character off?
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Aspergic,
yo this even a word?
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Yes
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oh ok
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Most creatures Gray have a sense of self preservation. Satoshi assumed by lighting himself on fire it would trigger that. Not his fault or mine that you chose to keep attacking.
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...Why would the Symbiote starting becoming self-preservative over the dude it attacking lighting himself on fire?
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Lantz, a frail body means you wouldn't do much that would be taxing on the body. Like say the dragon fire that you used. This is also disregarding the fact you say he can only use magic and yet the aformentioned barriers are also, you guessed it, magic. So that option isn't eliminated in the slightest.
This is still a valid point.
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lighting himself on fire it
wut?
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If he immediately used 100% power it would be a point. During the fight he scaled up.
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Has Satoshi consistently been using dragon fire as a primary defense? The incredibly draining dragon fire that fucking Avalon can't keep up with after a while?
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He hasn't, not in the RP anyway. To my knowledge, his primary defense thus far has been either some sort of shield or issuing threats of some kind.
Also, chill out in here guys. The discussion's taken a not so chill direction more than a few times already, and I'd rather that not happen again if possible.
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I personally want to take Kuro's suggestion and drop it not out of inability to discuss but just to drop it because it's leading nowhere fast and any conclusion we reach will have no effect on the RP now. Me and Lantz have received our punishments and I'll be taking your adivice Alice and will just stay away from his characters as much as possible in fear of triggering another one of these. (If this happens everytime anything with Lantz's characters occurs I'm suprized there wasn't commupence sooner, I don't think Mike could have changed things because he's just a Mod not the GM)
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Mike's involvement despite being a staff member instead of a GM (he's only supposed to mod when no other staff member is present and it's an emergency, his main job is to maintain the forum, hence his title. Something we need to teach him to both do more conservatively and more carefully, as recent events have shown...) is... complicated. It's more to do that he's very vocal if he thinks lantz has been unjustly treated, and that complicated things more than a fair bit until recently. For the sake of both my own health though, and to also cut any drama to the quick, that's all I have to say about it at the moment. Just as it's a complicated situation, it's also complicated to properly explain, so I'll leave it at that. Plus avoiding drama, we don't need more of that.
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...So Mike is literally abusing his power? Because I know YOLF is on all the time, so his presence should be unneeded.
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Well, if he's literally just saying, "let's drop this conversation, this is looking bad and likely it won't go anywhere," and nothing else, it's fine. Drama being halted is fine, after all. ...The problem is that he has a bad habit of wanting to continue debating even after he told the argument to halt, which is an issue. Properly he's also not supposed to issue warnings unless it's an absolute emergency, or one of us gave him the okay (though if we're present, it'll be one of us that hands this stuff out anyway, so the latter's not likely to happen very often).
So it's not so much that he's abusing power as he's not good at knowing how or where to wield it, and also often tends to forget when he's allowed to use it in the first place.
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...So Mike is literally abusing his power? Because I know YOLF is on all the time, so his presence should be unneeded.
No, because I own the forum, so, in so far as anyone has any moral right to exert power here, I do (although Alice is close, because of how much effort she has put into it). However, I am well aware that I am not particularly good at moderation (as the stuff with Daiki proved), so I voluntarily choose not to do it unless I really need to, and to delegate powers to the rest of the administration team (because, again, I don't particularly believe in or trust authority).
Ultimately, though, any decision that is made on here is my responsibility, directly or indirectly, because it simply cannot happen unless I am willing to at least stand aside and overlook it (that doesn't apply to the RP, though, since I am not the GM). Plus, I chose Alice as an admin in the first place, and have been involved in choosing the other admins and mods, so I am also indirectly responsible for their decisions in that regard.
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Can I post in the Velvet room?
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I... think you can anyway, since it's not the main RP. :) Can't confirm for sure though. ^^" Elf will be back in a couple of days to answer for sure though. ^^"
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I just wanted to get the image that I had of the fight going out of my head.
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If you can Grigori will play cards with you. Even if you have no limbs.
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While I'm not Elf, I think it's ok anyway. Again, since it's more of a omake thing and not in the main RP. :) If I'm wrong, Elf can just yell at me when she comes back. :P So yeah, I'd say it's fine. :)
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Yeah, I'd agree. You were told not to post in the RP, and that isn't the RP. Plus, the Velvet Room has been dead for months, it'll be nice for it to actually get some activity.
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I don't want to risk that Alice. You're a really nice person (running this forum and staying sane practically takes like sainthood or something) and I don't want to see you get yelled at.
It was just a passing whim. I'll stand my punishment of the week as penance for that small bit of godmoding at the end (still a little iffy on that. He didn't destroy my momentum and I gave him a chance to react, he hit me with something that doesn't break momentum and I countered the fire so It could have been assumed I got closer buy if seen as godmoding i'll drop it and accept it).
I wanted to write something a little mean to be honest. I just wanted to write theoretical end to the fight where grim got pissed enought to rip out Satoshi's full dragon core. Then I would've wandered for a bit been overwhelmed and maybe transplanted it to lyco if I got overloaded.
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Ah, OK.
Well, even in the Velvet Room, I don't think you're really meant to take control of other people's characters, especially not like that. So, yeah, I think you're probably better off not doing that one....
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It was godmodding Gray, in the rules plain as day.
and wow no, that's not funny or acceptable.
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I said it was a little mean. It wouldn't have affected your character.
I just wanted to rip out it's heart and let it live. Then slam a dragon inside a dragon to create a little recursion. I wouldn't have done that in the RP itself (the rules would kill me) I'd just have done it in a what if? scenario that I thought would have been fun to write. Is the fact that I am merely writing bad things happening to your character enough to offend you? How do you write story if bad things don't happen to your character?
Okay. I put that barrier up while I was flying at you. You didn't kill my momentum. You had the oppurtunity to kill my momentum but am I to assume mr. frail old man who you mentioned to have shitty reflexes because of age could have done something else after the super high mana cost firestorm you unleashed? I was punching through it with application of water, barrier and magic resistance so what what would you have done to me? Given more fire that would have drained you? Used the magic barrier you refused to use earlier because Old Satoshi plays it that way.
Also at Elf yeah sorry that I made is so that you had to use a rare resource to break up our fight (I like fighting) I hope this doesn't effect your character too much down the longrun and I'll try to make it so you don't have to do it again.
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Gray I'm just saying. A god and a symbiote walk into a bar. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
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I'm waiting to see how Soldat will respond to the PM.
I don't want to be a slave, I'm looking for an equal
also to power grind but not at the cost of slavery.
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This has nothing to do with the actual RP though. You can also not be attached to me. Just move across the floor. We'll get in bar fights.
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Screw it I'll pull and Axe cop and become part everything. INstead of by blood splashing though it would be by host bonding. InB4 Ichigo Kurosaki
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Are we still talking about the Velvet Room?
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Yeah velvet room. You lock someone down with your god Powers. I'll take them over. We rampage deal?
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This sounds terrible. Lets go.
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Pick a target at random. Since it's velvet room they shouldn't care about Grim screwing with them. After you post I'll takeover and we rampage.
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Wait no. I don't think that is how it works.
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Dammit. Okay. I wish we could just go crazy in the velvet room because Omake but the fact it has it's own rules makes it make sense that there's so little activity. Okay I guess we abort plan.
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I guess I should just make my next post already. Anyone in or near the crater should likely have some kind of reaction to Salvation going off.
Oh, and the city blanketing Messiah presence.
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Oh yeah. You healed everyone. Female aspect won't like that.
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I would post my response with Avdol but I'm temp banned so sorry can't at the moment. It would have really helped too because of the healing problems I had.
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Dammit. Okay. I wish we could just go crazy in the velvet room because Omake but the fact it has it's own rules makes it make sense that there's so little activity. Okay I guess we abort plan.
Well, people aren't going to be as bothered about what you do because it has no long-term effects, but you still can't really play other people's characters.
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I thought the lack of continuity made me free to go berserk for a second there but it's all alright.
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Bad things happen to my characters there just has to be a reason, because doesn't cut. Tearing out his soul isn't really viable in either way.
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...So Mike is literally abusing his power? Because I know YOLF is on all the time, so his presence should be unneeded.
No, because I own the forum, so, in so far as anyone has any moral right to exert power here, I do (although Alice is close, because of how much effort she has put into it). However, I am well aware that I am not particularly good at moderation (as the stuff with Daiki proved), so I voluntarily choose not to do it unless I really need to, and to delegate powers to the rest of the administration team (because, again, I don't particularly believe in or trust authority).
Ultimately, though, any decision that is made on here is my responsibility, directly or indirectly, because it simply cannot happen unless I am willing to at least stand aside and overlook it (that doesn't apply to the RP, though, since I am not the GM). Plus, I chose Alice as an admin in the first place, and have been involved in choosing the other admins and mods, so I am also indirectly responsible for their decisions in that regard.
The means of production are owned by the people, comrade.
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So hypothetical bad ends aren't even allowed in the velvet room?
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No wonder it's dead.
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Bad things happen to my characters there just has to be a reason, because doesn't cut. Tearing out his soul isn't really viable in either way.
It wouldn't have been in the RP I thought the Velvet Room had no continuity and it would just be a place to dump the little plot bunny. Also did you not see how my Symbiote feeds off of magical energy. Your character's dragon core would have been a feast. Also I wouldn't have torn out his soul just ripped the magic from it. I was also going to do something benevolent later to Lycodrake so my karma would be neutral.
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Yeah I was wondering why we couldn't have done that. It should be loaded if that was allowed. Just throw continuity out the window in there and let us have fun.
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Um, in general double posting is bad, if you need to add something before someone else posts you should just edit it in.
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Unless a significant amount of time has past.
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Yeah no Gray, it's not a core
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What is it then?
That's the only thing that they described about Saber's Dragon Reactor in the actual Visual Novel or are you breaking that for convenience too?
You have Avalon and Symbiote doing double duty to heal you from the heart steal so you'd have lived easily. You wouldn't have died. Also why do you care I wanted to do it in a place I thought continuity didn't exist. you could have woken up fine and with more circuits later in that place or whatever.
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Fast travel unlocked!
Doors now available!
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It's his soul, when the dragon died it stopped being a power transfer issue, it's a single soul.
it's a matter of how insidious it is. Especially after the whole collective murder of my character idea.
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Let it go. I thought this was PvP based from hearsay. So murdering a character that survived after this long would help people is what was going through my head.
Okay. So there is dragon inside of him? You've been denying that for so long and now you relent that there is a dragon inside of him. If the souls merged there is no way that the fusion can even be called Satoshi anymore.
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We don't even want to get into the soul mechanics of the Nasuverse. With the body shaping itself to fit the soul.
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I'm just assuming that his Satoshi character is completely original fiction because any assumptions for adherance to Nasu canon are just doomed to fail.
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You're just being shortsighted because you don't know how Gray.
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Telling people they're wrong without saying why always works.
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Please explain man?
You say you break canon for characterizations sake so I'm just saying don't bother even considering canon when thinking about the characters you make. You won't care about the canon breaking so I'll treat them as independant characters as their existance basically ignores the universe that you claim they came from.
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No dude, I've been very very very adamant against spoilers.
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PMs exist for a reason.
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Yes Umbra, they do. However I'm not going to pm spoilers all over the place, information travels and then trolls and idiots get it and proceed to be utter assholes with it.
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How the fuck are you spoiling things if it's in an RP. Also no one really cares about your SI's adventure to fighting Crimson Manyu and the Dong Lords, just spill the beans.
Or it could simply be that you are backed into a corner with no explanation and are hiding it behind "derp its spoilerz herp"
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We don't even want to get into the soul mechanics of the Nasuverse. With the body shaping itself to fit the soul.
I still don't get how this is going to fit with Satoshi though. His soul is some dragon/construct mix which means he should have scales. Or at least look a bit draconic.
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Please, for the sake of everyone's sanity just explain, you cannot say something works a certain way and then refuse to explain why, that is not spoiler prevention, there is a basic difference between spoiling a story and detailing character mechanics, if you refuse to do the second you cannot validly complain when people draw their own conclusions.
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Look Dragons are really strong beings Lantz. You've supported that because you don't think the most powerful wizard of the Age (Merlin) could do jackshit against one. So how oh god how does a human soul become the dominant one in a merger with an apparently Intelligent dragon soul?
The integration on any level wipes away Satoshi and leaves the OC you created at best a mere fragment of his personality after the dragon's death.
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So hypothetical bad ends aren't even allowed in the velvet room?
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No wonder it's dead.
No, hypothetical Bad Ends are allowed, I'm just not so sure about controlling other people's characters....
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So hypothetical bad ends aren't even allowed in the velvet room?
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No wonder it's dead.
No, hypothetical Bad Ends are allowed, I'm just not so sure about controlling other people's characters....
If it has no effect on the actual RP there is no problem to be had. Velvet Room is a safe zone.
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No, I'm adamant about spoilers. Just deal with it and stop asking.
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It would be a bit difficult for some of us to write bad end snips without using other peoples' characters.
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So since you won't explain shit, you're just gonna have to roll with that we assume things about your character(s). Pick your poison.
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I am not asking for any spoilers, I am just asking for some basic understanding of how Satoshi works mechanically.
When one posts a character in any RP it comes with an implicit requirement that one be willing to explain certain things about one's character should it become relevant.
It is bad form in a way to take an action and then refuse to divulge the mechanics behind that action when asked.
In many other RPs refusal to give an adequate explanation for how you did something would result in that action being invalidated.
I cannot say anything about this one but it is in general bad manners and a disservice to all the other players to post a character you are unwilling to tell anyone anything about.
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So hypothetical bad ends aren't even allowed in the velvet room?
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No wonder it's dead.
No, hypothetical Bad Ends are allowed, I'm just not so sure about controlling other people's characters....
If it has no effect on the actual RP there is no problem to be had. Velvet Room is a safe zone.
In terms of what you do, yeah. In terms of dictating what another person's character would do, I'm not so sure. I think it is still only fair to allow a player to decide what happens to their character.
It would be a bit difficult for some of us to write bad end snips without using other peoples' characters.
Well, you just get them to play along with it. It is still meant to be an RP thread, after all, just for things that aren't canonical but are fun anyway.
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I thought there was no canon in that place guys. That's why I thought I could screw with characters it would get retconned immediately the next time that person posted.
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It does not matter how he's the primary existence Kuro, he just is. His physical state doesn't change because of the temporal shift he's involved in.
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"he just is" listen to yourself. Please listen to yourself. When you have to say that you know you've done something wrong.
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No Gray, I'm just pointing out that it's irrelevant
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Then spill the beans already. I don't care about spoilers I get offhad spoilers from friends for like half the things I watch. They don't affect me.
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It's irrelevant to the RP why. And it doesn't matter what is ok with you. It's not ok with me.
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No Gray, I'm just pointing out that it's irrelevant
No you're not, you're refusing to or is unable to explain how your own character works. And if your character is reliant on spoilers to explain how it works and you're concerned about that, you shouldn't have used him to begin with.
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Hey Lantz, I think it would be only fair to give up some details.
I mean, I have no problem explaining things about Forest and Ash when people ask even though its spoilery of my own work.
It helps others plan for the game or spawn ideas. Not to mention it's a show of trust to fellow gamers.
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What Elf said. By every means, you owe everyone an explanation for why the character is OP as it is. You don't have to give out everything. Just pick out the stuff that's adequate enough for explanation. Shouldn't be too hard if you made this character.
Because if you don't, your character will perpetually be called out as a Mary Sue. It's that simple.
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I mean, I have no problem explaining things about Forest and Ash when people ask even though its spoilery of my own work.
It helps others plan for the game or spawn ideas. Not to mention it's a show of trust to fellow gamers.
And, likewise, I'd break out the lessons on Hindu myth and Apocrypha if anyone has any questions towards Karna. I feel confident in saying that I should be able to put in a good amount of information on every listed Ability or piece of equipment on his sheet.
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I am personally willing to give full on dissertations on Minato, including the postgame stuff I made up...
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I already told people in here that they can get stuff if they ally with my characters.
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My explanations may be slightly vague for my characters but I can prolly do Downy and his fellow generals with ease, and don't get me started on Medea.
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I said this via PM but trust is basically impossible for me after the constant attempts to get me banned and a continuous attempt to murder my characters ( even going so far as to never correct a new player about the nature of the game at large) conspiring in a group to do so. I can't say being forced to give out information is fair in light of this.
even if I were willing you would all bitch for five plus days about every little thing. I'm not exactly looking forward to that.
I think that given the circumstances trust needs to be given here first.
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I said this via PM but trust is basically impossible for me after the constant attempts to get me banned and a continuous attempt to murder my characters ( even going so far as to never correct a new player about the nature of the game at large) conspiring in a group to do so. I can't say being forced to give out information is fair in light of this.
even if I were willing you would all bitch for five plus days about every little thing. I'm not exactly looking forward to that.
I think that given the circumstances trust needs to be given here first.
I've been reading this (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,54.0.html) for a bit. I think the problem is that you've put too much focus to Satoshi without any regard to other people's characters. From all these pages adding up to 460, I think they tried to get you to see reason in what is wrong with your actions. Something which you seem to be having some difficult time trying to comprehend. Granted that Arch has been abrasive through out the whole thing, I believe he has good reason to when every single problem discussed on that thread has been pertaining about you. Now, I haven't read the actual RP. But, judging by the reactions of the majority and all the problems that keep popping up in there, it really looks like the problem truly lies on your OC. (Which apparently is an understatement to some of you)
I honestly believe that it is wise to finally tell people about it, even if it means causing more arguments. You owe these people. They are more than entitled to it. They put up with you whether they liked it or not. In fact they were forced to because you had Cherry Lover always covering your back. And even if they don't like it, then try to be cooperative with them. And by that, try to get them to help you out on trying to make some kind of explanation for all the stuff about Satoshi. There's nothing wrong in asking for help. And yes, that would mean Arch would have to tone down accordingly. Which I'm sure he'll be happy to oblige if you actually try. Because honestly, after reading all what has happened, I'm surprised some of these people haven't left the site yet.
This may lead to dismantling some of the stuff that Satoshi may have. But this is really for the best. Because at this point, he is so overpowered that there is nothing interesting about him. And from what I read so far of people's reactions, I seem to be right on that regard at the least. It seriously can't hurt to try to get people on your side by complying and actually trying. It's difficult, but it'll pay off in the long run. Trust me, at this rate, you have to change.
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No Salto, I'm not putting myself out just to be shit on.
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It's called growing up. Or otherwise this is going to be a continual cycle that is going to breakdown into something worse.
Edit: Once finals are over, I'm considering.... this guy.
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f67fcf55909045a74ceae841a75b31a9/tumblr_mf29powhUb1rxsafxo1_1280.jpg)
To any of you Jojo fans, REPENT! FOR I, GIORNO, WILL FUCK YO SHIT UP.
...Nah, I'm kidding. I'm still thinking on who I should choose.
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No Salto, I don't need to grow up, I already did that. I've tried to go out of my way to explain, all that happens is I get abused for it. In keeping with that I grew up to realize no one here wants answers, they just want a reason to scream at me and demand I conform to their thought patterns. The thing absent here is a lack of respect reinforced by narrow views. I sir, have a right to my thoughts, my conclusions and my characters. Forcing me to change is wrong. I already got help in developing the characters, I don't think I need anymore and it's arrogant to think yourselves better than my previous helpers.
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No Salto, I don't need to grow up, I already did that. I've tried to go out of my way to explain, all that happens is I get abused for it. In keeping with that I grew up to realize no one here wants answers, they just want a reason to scream at me and demand I conform to their thought patterns. The thing absent here is a lack of respect reinforced by narrow views. I sir, have a right to my thoughts, my conclusions and my characters. Forcing me to change is wrong. I already got help in developing the characters, I don't think I need anymore and it's arrogant to think yourselves better than my previous helpers.
Oh boy. Here we go.
No. You didn't. If you said you did, then it's already a red flag saying you didn't. You only did a sub-par job at it when people are still reasonably pissed at your actions. You never seem to learn, only just changing to just for the sake of shutting up people. Just like a child who tries to shut his nagging parents up. That's the problem, you don't seem to try to get the actual point. You don't try to see it at their own perspective. Dehumanizing others isn't going to get you anywhere, Lantz. Never will.
Yes, you do have a right about your thoughts and so forth. But others have a right to criticize them. That's life. Forcing you to change? It's for the better considering what you've done to them. And it's still not enough apparently. Lack of respect? I'm sorry, but all these pages says otherwise. Seeing how exactly you tend to be the problem. I'm surprised Alice and Elf doesn't have an ulcer from all of this. People have tried to be reasonable to you. Only to end up being spitted in their face.
Maybe you're right that I am arrogant. But to think yourself as perfect as you are right now is also fallible to pure narcissism. Even if you're hiding behind the excuse that everyone's out to get you. Have fun being called out as a blatant Mary Sue and continuing the cycle. Someday everyone is going to be sick of it and just quit roleplaying with you. That's the future it's heading to at this rate. In fact, it's going to happen. You just need to make the first step to stop it, Lantz. But of course like all the other people before me, you'll ignore it.
I'll just step back for now. Don't worry, I don't plan on doing anything with you. The textwalls are just a result of something inside me wanting to say a few things before shutting up about it for sometime. For now, I'll just enjoy myself rping a bit here (if I figure out what I ever want to do) while watching how things go~
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No Salto, I don't need to grow up, I already did that.
People should keep growing up all the time. Just because you think you already did so doesn't mean that you did and even if so, it doesn't mean you should stop doing so.
I've tried to go out of my way to explain, all that happens is I get abused for it.
Then you should find out why you get "abused" for doing such. If it happens all the time, maybe the problem is in you.
In keeping with that I grew up to realize no one here wants answers, they just want a reason to scream at me and demand I conform to their thought patterns.
In these statements, you are saying that you want people to unquestioningly accept your answers without further inquiry and you want them to accept your thought patterns instead.
The thing absent here is a lack of respect reinforced by narrow views. I sir, have a right to my thoughts, my conclusions and my characters. Forcing me to change is wrong.
And we also have the rights to our thoughts and conclusions. If our thoughts and conclusions dictate that your thoughts and conclusions are faulty at best and self-serving at worst, you can't make us change that unless you give out a satisfying and logical course of action. And as for change? Can't stop doing that either.
I already got help in developing the characters, I don't think I need anymore and it's arrogant to think yourselves better than my previous helpers.
This is the same thing with growing up and changing: People should keep getting help especially in the field of writing and you should, of course, not stop doing this. Now you might say "how about the 'help' that can potentially damage my work?" and I will tell you that there is such thing as common sense and logic to aid your judgement.
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Gray, if you want a host, I'll volunteer. Just tell me what exactly it entails for me.
Edit: At least until I get a character, lol
Edit 2: Brahmastra, sir! What page does the Karna and Gilgamesh fight start?
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Salto, Ivan, bullying is never correct. There is no reason it is ever acceptable. If you cannot understand that and wish to see the bullies as valid then you might as well stop here.
And no Salto I have tried to explain everything, people do not listen. Case in point, crying and bitching about canon when the story (and my repeated statements) show that the story at hand immediately raises a flag saying, in universe this presentation doesn't directly follow canon because of the blasted plot.
and again, no body listened. Same as you're doing here. I'm not the only fucking problem here either so don't go acting like I am.
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Is all criticism bullying for you?
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No Kat, but I can point to at least a dozen posts made by you that are bullying. Meaning that you really shouldn't be a part of this discussion.
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If anyone wants to now anything about Grigori you can come and ask. Lantz you can restrict as much info as you please when your creating a fanfic. When you're in an RP with other people it isn't just your work. It is a story made with the help of others. They have the right to ask questions and receive answers.
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People have reasons to get frustrated with you lantz, something you take as people wanting to bully you.
Here's why they get mad at you;
They feel you don't listen.
Your defensive stance in front of criticism.
Your prideful attitude. (mainly your inability to recognize that you can be wrong)
Your master skill at dodging the main point in discussions.
You barely explain your reasons for your choices.
In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings. Even people like Arch still try to tell you when something wrong is happening. Just read what's important and don't ignore wall of texts. Openly state it when they do make valid points (and do think about how feedback can put to good use) and try to stay humble. If you do at least that much, it can only get better.
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There is also fact that you even refer to things not added at your sheets, like comic book knowledge. In other words, you are rightly accused of metagaming.
My advice is to post revised edition of Satoshi's sheet, and then have Elf review it for things considered by her as OP.
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I don't deny that Umbra, I'm just sick of saying things and having people disregard it immediately. As I just said I explained that the story doesn't directly follow canon, instead of accepting that people immediately complained and attempt to force me to change. That Umbra is bullying.
They feel you don't listen
Answer: Yes but as I stated above that's a matter perpetuated in their camp first, can you blame me when I first say something that is then immediately ignored.
Your defensive stance in front of criticism.
Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.
Your prideful attitude. (mainly your inability to recognize that you can be wrong)
Answer: yeah, this is a misconception, I originally hated Archer, worse than thespy. I spoke to Elf about it and she convinced me otherwise. I can be wrong Daiki, I've admitted that several times, not only in general but specifically in the design of Satoshi and the story at large.
Your master skill at dodging the main point in discussions.
Answer: I think that while some what true I can say it's not intentional. I just have a spoiler allergy, it's something I can't really control.
You barely explain your reasons for your choices.
Answer: something of a symptom of previous spoiler allergy. I have tried to make thread but people like Arch just flame them to hell.
In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings
Answer: I will on one condition.
1) you come back and play the game.
do that and I'll even listen to Arch
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If anyone wants to now anything about Grigori you can come and ask. Lantz you can restrict as much info as you please when your creating a fanfic. When you're in an RP with other people it isn't just your work. It is a story made with the help of others. They have the right to ask questions and receive answers.
I have to agree that this is at least mostly true. I understand Lantz not wanting to spoiler his fanfic, but for an RP you do need to be more willing to discuss your characters.
There is also fact that you even refer to things not added at your sheets, like comic book knowledge. In other words, you are rightly accused of metagaming.
As I have said multiple times before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Being expected to put every single thing he knows about on the sheet is absurd and, further, multiple other people have expressed knowledge of things that are not on their sheet (in particular, plenty of people recognised Tom as a Pokemon, and even Forest recognised the Hulk despite nothing on Forest's sheet saying she reads comic books).
So, no, until Elf makes a statement to this effect, I see no reason whatsoever for Lantz to take notice of what you are saying, because it is just plain idiotic.
My advice is to post revised edition of Satoshi's sheet, and then have Elf review it for things considered by her as OP.
We did that already. There is no reason to revise it further unless he has actual powers that he didn't mention, or things that he regularly relies on, or which would be seen as extremely unusual.
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It was already revised. Then I cannot imagine how absurd Satoshi was back then.
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The powers he had didn't change, but Lantz's original sheet was really lacking in detail, and about things that really should be on the sheet.
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No Kat, but I can point to at least a dozen posts made by you that are bullying.
Link them.
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But you see, the OP powers are more problem than details.
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For Lycodrake Aptera, there isn't much to really spoil since I'm still working on his story - and he shares the spotlight with Marie the camel-lioness djinn and Randt the wyrm-naga.
Lycodrake is the speedster "muscle", Marie is the bombardment mage, and Randt is the debuff specialist able to boost his stats by draining opponents of their's.
For the purposes of the RP, I decided to not include his "Typhon and Echidna Spawn" form - which basically boosts his power to that of his elder siblings: Cerberus, Hydra, Chimera, and the like.
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Heh, depending on which version of Echidna's parentage you take, Rider (well, Medusa, anyway...) is possibly Lycodrake's Aunt.
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Your defensive stance in front of criticism.
Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.
Everything Ivan said in his last response to you was logical and not rude at all, and while you didn't entirely shrug him off, you didn't bother to acknowledge his points or counter them. Instead you just said this.
Salto, Ivan, bullying is never correct. There is no reason it is ever acceptable. If you cannot understand that and wish to see the bullies as valid then you might as well stop here.
The "bullying" is not even what they were talking about, just your general method and means by which you respond to criticism.
And on that matter. There are people who have been giving you reasonable and constructive criticism since for ever, but even to them you never seem to have a good response, or you dodge questions nonetheless. And naturally that there are some who will get sick of it, and change their attitude towards you in a negative way over time. Do you disagree with what I'm saying?
Also, even rude answers can have good points. It's perfectly natural to ignore them if you feel offended or they are making verbal blows that you can't stand. But you also have to understand that taking or learning nothing out of the sense they might make beyond that is willful ignorance, in a way.
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I don't deny that Umbra, I'm just sick of saying things and having people disregard it immediately. As I just said I explained that the story doesn't directly follow canon, instead of accepting that people immediately complained and attempt to force me to change. That Umbra is bullying.
Answer: Yes but as I stated above that's a matter perpetuated in their camp first, can you blame me when I first say something that is then immediately ignored.
It's not that they ignore it, it's that they think it is either contradictory or just plain wrong.
Answer: defensive largely of the delivery Daiki, there's good and bad formed criticism, I feel that if someone honestly wants to be constructive they need not be rude.
Sometimes caustic criticism is needed because it tends to draw the emotion of the one being criticized, in order to express the emotions felt by the reviewer when a certain work has been reviewed, especially in the field of writing. I mean, why do you think people found My Immortal hilarious, rage-inducing or even painful to read? Because of how bad it was written.
Answer: yeah, this is a misconception, I originally hated Archer, worse than thespy. I spoke to Elf about it and she convinced me otherwise. I can be wrong Daiki, I've admitted that several times, not only in general but specifically in the design of Satoshi and the story at large.
If you think it is wrong, you should consider fixing it.
Answer: I think that while some what true I can say it's not intentional. I just have a spoiler allergy, it's something I can't really control.
If you have this spoiler allergy that you say, you shouldn't be discussing anything in a group, much less be participating in an RP because, as it was already established, you should be able to discuss your characters freely without any fear of spoiling details.
Answer: something of a symptom of previous spoiler allergy. I have tried to make thread but people like Arch just flame them to hell.
Ditto to previous point.
In short, you need to chill and stop seeing everything people say as a way to hurt your feelings
Answer: I will on one condition.
1) you come back and play the game.
do that and I'll even listen to Arch
People, put these words on your sig, take a screenshot, paste to a Notepad file, do whatever you can to preserve these words. It's not just a promise, it's a gamble.
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Ivan, I preserved Lantzblades' words.
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Edit 2: Brahmastra, sir! What page does the Karna and Gilgamesh fight start?
Uh, IIRC Karna comes into play on page 34-35
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Hmm, how many posts per page do you have? Because for me the RP thread is at 126 pages already, and your fight didn't start until after page 100 at least.
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If you dont use 50 posts per page, you're doing it wrong.
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I'm too lazy for that.
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Gray, if you want a host, I'll volunteer. Just tell me what exactly it entails for me.
Edit: At least until I get a character, lol
Edit 2: Brahmastra, sir! What page does the Karna and Gilgamesh fight start?
I have something in the works with Soldat.
The details of host takeover are in my character sheet. I can PM you if you want further clarification i can PM it to you.
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Salto, Ivan, bullying is never correct. There is no reason it is ever acceptable. If you cannot understand that and wish to see the bullies as valid then you might as well stop here.
And no Salto I have tried to explain everything, people do not listen. Case in point, crying and bitching about canon when the story (and my repeated statements) show that the story at hand immediately raises a flag saying, in universe this presentation doesn't directly follow canon because of the blasted plot.
and again, no body listened. Same as you're doing here. I'm not the only fucking problem here either so don't go acting like I am.
>>Bullying.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRGPFItG0oZFFNq7sIa2JfN2ouCsjpuh4IVznsr_i3INkqhEV1)
Man, I'm drawing parallels between you and this guy (http://sonichu.com/w/images/e/e2/0782-CWCSpread.JPG). But hey, keep on rolling. See how this plays out.
I'm watching.
(http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120402225425/random-ness/images/3/34/Michael_Jackson_popcorn.gif)
Lawl, btw? I think the idea of "if it's not the fucking sheet, he cannot do that" should be enforced very tightly at this point. Just saying.
I have something in the works with Soldat.
The details of host takeover are in my character sheet. I can PM you if you want further clarification i can PM it to you.
Roger. I'll let you know once I got things straightened out.
Uh, IIRC Karna comes into play on page 34-35
Thanks, Brah.
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Guys, come to this forum's IRC channel. Maybe we can talk there.
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There's an IRC? Link me?
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There's an IRC? Link me?
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,336.0.html (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,336.0.html)
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Thanks!
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I love how I'm one of the examples of a hater when I've actually provided a large amount of advice, criticism, and ideas all in one convenient package. Complete with anger, to spice it up admittedly, but it's all still in there.
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Arch, whilst you have had useful things to say, a lot of your advice has been along the lines of "throw it all away and start again", which isn't overly constructive (especially when repeated for the 50th time to someone who has made it clear they are not going to do so), and it has usually been interspersed with a lot of insults and overly-negative comments that are always likely to put someone off from taking notice of it. And, when you are being reasonable, Lantz has such a low opinion of you due to past actions that he tends to assume you're being rude anyway.
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"throw it all away and start again"
To be fair, I can't blame him on that part when that whole application looks like this:
(http://sonichu.com/w/images/1/1e/0430-ChristianWTallStack2.jpg)
Except with every convenient power.
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Whether or not he's right isn't really relevant, it's still not overly-helpful advice, at least not when you're saying it for the 50th time to someone who is quite clearly not willing to throw away all their work. It also does tend to come across as offensive to the person you're saying it to, because people generally don't like being told that something they've put significant effort into is that bad.
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He's an adult, not a baby. You can give your best effort in something, but no one is going to give a shit in the real world, lmao. This is why he needs to grow up.
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Equally, though, there is no reason why Lantz has to take notice of people telling him his work is bad, so that argument is useless. If you're offensive to him then he's just not going to take any notice, and that gets you nowhere.
Like I said, it is human nature to not like people saying "you suck". If you want to get through to someone then you need to be actually helpful, otherwise they will just not listen.
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there is no reason why Lantz has to take notice of people telling him his work is bad
If this kind of shit has been going for 400 pages, then he has more than enough reason to. He's just being blind as usual like other ignoramuses that I've seen and met.
If you want to get through to them then you need to be actually helpful, otherwise they will just not listen.
See, I would agree with you on that. But apparently that point is moot if you look at Alice's and Elf's case. They've made efforts to be helpful. Then see where that got them. Nothing.
While you, on the other hand, have been too busy playing White Knight for him. Thereby nullifying Alice's and Elf's attempts to help him.
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OK, right, let's stop this here, you're starting to get insulting.
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Sure, regardless, the truth still stands. But, I'll comply out of respect of what power you have.
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Yeah YOLF, I didn't entirely respond, I felt that getting that point out there was a primary requirement for the conversation to move forward.
before this RP the context was them asking spoiler stuff of the fanfic, which we've already established is ok to keep tight lipped about. In regards to the RP I take the point that I ought to be more open but my previous points about conspiracy to pk also stand.
so no I don't disagree exactly but before moving forward I would like the other side to acknowledge the problem they have willfully created.
I don't believe in caustic criticism, rage blinds the point. I want to understand feedback, not feel like killing myself is a valid life option. People are smart enough to have an opinion, they should be smart enough to convey said opinion without the anger.
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Where is the anger? Many of us are rather disillusioned and sarcastic.
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Sarcasm is equally unhelpful Kat.
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Sarcasm is sometimes the only difference between being able to get through the day and wanting to fellate a shotgun barrel. Don't say it's not helpful.
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Unhelpful in communication Arch.
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I have an Idea that might work if you are willing to go along with it Lantz.
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If you don't explain Kuro I can't say one way or another if I would go along with it
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Unhelpful in communication Arch.
Only if you don't understand sarcasm.
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There's no tone on the internet Kat, it's hard to identify.
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I must say, all this stuff here on this thread.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bod.gif)
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There's no tone on the internet Kat, it's hard to identify.
There are other social cues, like the context.
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If you don't explain Kuro I can't say one way or another if I would go along with it
Look at what you're asking Lantz. Now look what is at least half your responses to just about everone you've even responded to.
Do you notice the hypocrisy yet Lantz?
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The difference Gray, is that I provide information, it's just that it tends not to hit the mark. Kuro just said "I have an idea" without elaborating.
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Yes. He was being really, really vague. The thing is you tend to be too. When you're in spoiler lip mode you're even more vague as in not even willing to help. My point was that you asking for clarifacation and genuinely expecting an answer is kind of hilarious seeing your past. I know that Kuro is being genuine and all but I'm just not sure you deserve to ask for the respect that you refuse to give other people.
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The difference Gray, is that I provide information, it's just that it tends not to hit the mark. Kuro just said "I have an idea" without elaborating.
No dude, I've been very very very adamant against spoilers.
Yes Umbra, they do. However I'm not going to pm spoilers all over the place, information travels and then trolls and idiots get it and proceed to be utter assholes with it.
I said this via PM but trust is basically impossible for me after the constant attempts to get me banned and a continuous attempt to murder my characters ( even going so far as to never correct a new player about the nature of the game at large) conspiring in a group to do so. I can't say being forced to give out information is fair in light of this.
even if I were willing you would all bitch for five plus days about every little thing. I'm not exactly looking forward to that.
I think that given the circumstances trust needs to be given here first.
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If you're going to be obstructionist about the problem resolution Gray then I suggest you sit this out and wait for the problem to be resolved.
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I am working on that idea in a PM to you Lantz it is just taking a bit.
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"I won't give you any information about my character because lolspoilers but if you're the slightest bit vague I'm gonna whine for days."
Lantz stop making yourself into another Chris-chan and don't be a blatant hypocrite.
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Lantz stop making yourself into another Chris-chan and don't be a blatant hypocrite.
Heyyoh! Someone got that reference!
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In regards to your pm Kuro, yes, that's a very well thought out, respectful to all parties idea. The only question is where to set it up, here or in another thread. Also if you want to start a thread or would you rather I start it?
Edit: actually I'll do it Kuro.
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Lantz stop making yourself into another Chris-chan and don't be a blatant hypocrite.
Damn it Brah, I actually looked up what this meant.
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Damn it Brah, I actually looked up what this meant.
Just do the complete opposite of what Chris Chan did and you're set for life.
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Just as a preemptive warning for any other victims, look up Chris-chan with discretion. ...it's kinda... yeaaaah.
...why do I get the feeling a lot of people will be looking it up outta curiosity now now that I've said that? :V
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Having as it is the most relevant here we may as well start it here, if only because I can't think of where else would be good.
If you would rather I could start a thread in Fanfic, but most of the people who will go there will be from here so...
Either way I should be the one to make the thread if it comes to that, so that it can remain impartial.
I would say start here and move if things get too hectic.
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^^Truly the internet perpetuates the worst of things.
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Sorry Kuro already started it there, it overlaps with the fanfic so it works.
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Just as a preemptive warning for any other victims, look up Chris-chan with discretion. ...it's kinda... yeaaaah.
...why do I get the feeling a lot of people will be looking it up outta curiosity now now that I've said that? :V
To be reasonable, lantz is only a few nudes and yelling about autism a lot from being Chris-Chan 2.0
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Yeah YOLF, I didn't entirely respond, I felt that getting that point out there was a primary requirement for the conversation to move forward.
How do you move the conversation forward if you change subjects and don't address the current points?
before this RP the context was them asking spoiler stuff of the fanfic, which we've already established is ok to keep tight lipped about. In regards to the RP I take the point that I ought to be more open but my previous points about conspiracy to pk also stand.
Metagaming like that is forbidden, and I doubt anyone, most of all Elf, will stand for such blatant use of it even if you do elaborate upon your characters when asked to do so.
so no I don't disagree exactly but before moving forward I would like the other side to acknowledge the problem they have willfully created.
Lantz, the problem honestly comes from both sides. That was the point I was trying to make, which seems to have flown over your head.
(The troubling thing is at this point, the problem is also an inflationary vicious cycle that can't be easily broken.)
I don't believe in caustic criticism, rage blinds the point. I want to understand feedback, not feel like killing myself is a valid life option. People are smart enough to have an opinion, they should be smart enough to convey said opinion without the anger.
If you are honestly that sensitive I suggest you take some time off from this or not even venture into any place where you can receive feedback to begin with lantz.
I'm not saying it's right for people to give opinions and critique interlaced with anger or demeaning words, but it happens partially because of you. I tell you to try and distinguish the points people make from the offensive portions of their retorts, and to think about them, since this keeps happening because most of the time you don't address any points well to begin with. Refer back to the previous part of this reply. You are as responsible for the situation as everyone else whose interjections you take offense to, in a way.
Also, hey, Brah, watch the choice of words. xD
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Starting the thread yourself makes it harder for me to mediate but not by much.
Any future questions about Lantz's Characters should be directed here
http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,398.0.html (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,398.0.html)
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Starting the thread yourself makes it harder for me to mediate but not by much.
Honestly, I don't think it does at all. Being the thread starter doesn't really get you special privileges, it's more the context of the thread (so, in a fanfic thread the author has some limited ability to say "no, I don't want this here", whereas in a general discussion thread about a broad topic the creator is irrelevant).
Ultimately, it's entirely at the discretion of the moderation team what is and is not enforced, and whether you or Lantz started the thread doesn't really change that.
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Thank you Kuro
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I appreciate that you've thought of such a containment thread so it doesn't screw over the rest of the RPers Kuro.
Lantz, You seem to be a little dismissive of my arguments, do you think I am one of those "haters" or "trolls" yet?
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You tend to be overly forceful Gray, it makes you hard to respond to.
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May you elaborate on the forcefullness? I've been trying to remain calm and polite. I made the comment about your character practically coming from original fiction since the context of the Nasuverse defines very little of their abilities and that I have to basically assume as much as I would with a completely original character about.
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Gray, have you decided with what character your symbiote will merge, since I could volunteer with a third character.
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Wait, wait wait, lantz. We're supposed to believe that Satoshi forged a sword with rank that implies it's power is equal to Ea, Avalon, Vasavi Shakti and Transmigration Unto One, while stark raving batshit, with his own hands? I assure you that people have hated a lot more and gotten a less out of it.
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I still haven't gotten word from Soldat. I'll PM him on BL to as I don't thing he checks DSM too much.
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Gray, have you decided with what character your symbiote will merge, since I could volunteer with a third character.
Probably what I'd suggest doing is trying different people to see if there's strong compatibility with anyone else. Anyone that doesn't want to be involved with this can just state as such and with which characters if it's for anyone specific in the thread. If none of the remaining characters are a match, than Kat can make the specially made character. :)
...Honestly, I think that's partly why the whole fight earlier was so infuriating, it could have been solved much earlier on if lantz had just said in the thread that he didn't want Toshi to bond with the Symbiote before anything did anything further instead of reacting how he did with Toshi in the RP itself. ...I'll drop it at that though, the less drama the better. ^^"
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Part of me wishes I didn't need permission as that's just how symbiotes work, but since he only threatened me with Satoshi instead of telling me to cease and desist out of character I thought he was inviting the struggle.
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The biggest problem is that we have a ruleset that enforces pacifism to an extreme because you cant do any permanent damage to anyone ever without their stamp, signature and social security number.
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Well, you and Moony didn't really care about that. With hits being exchanged without permission. Made it a bit more fluid.
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Brah this is not the place for this discussion.
Gray, while you may not have understood it, I did attempt to get you to stop out of character.
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That was not what Gray said. Gray said you should've done that before you replied in-character.
And actually, this is the best place to discuss this because its the discussion page, where you discuss things about the RP
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Part of me wishes I didn't need permission as that's just how symbiotes work, but since he only threatened me with Satoshi instead of telling me to cease and desist out of character I thought he was inviting the struggle.
The biggest problem is that we have a ruleset that enforces pacifism to an extreme because you cant do any permanent damage to anyone ever without their stamp, signature and social security number.
Eh, not so much that- most people have the tolerance for damage to their characters that you can still cause damage and it's fine.
To use a couple of characters of mine as an example, I may have yelled at Mike for the circumstances for which it happened in, for instance, but I still took the consequences for what happened after Rider said what she did to Mille, and now she has to reconcile with everything she's been through (it's not physical damage, but psychological damage, but hey, still kinda counts :P).
Tom, while still pretty OP, is presently exhausted because he gave a huge blood donation, and if it weren't for the fact that he can create barriers, he'd have a blade sized hole in his chest right about now. Hell, he had to drop Mooncake's character to even do that in the first place, allowing said character to regenerate, so I still paid consequences for that. A few of my other characters certainly would if they had fought in his place.
The only reason my characters aren't really hurt right now is... well, mostly luck, really. ...Ironic, considering my luck is god awful a good chunk of the time. :P
That's the thing, you don't have to ask permission so long as death isn't involved. If someone's not cool with something being done to their character, just say so in the thread. Most people are good enough to just do that, and are otherwise willing to roll with the punches. It's just lantz sadly seems to have made things harder to work with in that regard, and is in general a special case.
...I'd say what I think about this whole thing, but as to avoid more of this thread exploding than it already has, I think it's best I refrain.
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I just thought that since this is an RP with multiple authors people would be more willing to roll with the punches. I thought if plans got derailed part of the fun was your attempts at getting them back on track or creating new ones.
My plan was to host jump from person to person and taste them all like fine wine. Give them a taste of power in return. I originally had my character flat out eat their circuits to upgrade but lowered it down to some power copying because I was afraid of screwing with their characters too hard and I'll just eat nameless civies at worst now to gain power. The consuming of Satoshi's Core thing was honestly because I wanted to have a dragon reactor (I love those things), make the symbiote a more tempting offer, and see how the character would react to getting his magical ability ripped straight out of him. I had some decent reason in character (wanted to get away from Grigori, Satoshi looked delicious mana wise and he was alone and not talking to anyone, also Lantz is a pretty active member so I'd get a response pretty quick) but I mainly wanted to use Grim as a game changer.
Anyways I'll see how he works out when I lend him to other people.
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The majority of the other players are far more willing to roll with the punches. :) If they really have a problem with it, they'll just say something. :) lantz isn't a very good representation of what the majority of us are like, not by a long shot. Most of us are far more willing to listen and just go with something, and if something sincerely is a problem, we'll just bring it up civilly. So don't worry about it too much. :) You'll probably have far better luck with some of the other players/characters, I promise you.
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Alice, you may think that but everytime someone has brought an idea to me I've gone with it.
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Except this time. And while I cant say for the RP as a whole, I doubt it.
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Names straight up PM'd me with an idea, I went with it till he disappeared due to (in names own words) a computer virus that no one is to blame for.
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The consuming of Satoshi's Core thing was honestly because I wanted to have a dragon reactor
Go hijack Mordred. I plan to take over her (once I finish few exams this monday, the last on Monday) since Daiki quitted.
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The biggest problem is that we have a ruleset that enforces pacifism to an extreme because you cant do any permanent damage to anyone ever without their stamp, signature and social security number.
It's not a problem because the point of this RP is not to fight each other, at least OOCly.
Well, you and Moony didn't really care about that. With hits being exchanged without permission. Made it a bit more fluid.
That's fine if the players involved are OK with it. In general, though, it is only fair to give someone the right to react to your actions.
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That's kind of what symbiotes do. I established that he was looking for host and Satoshi looked like a nice, distracted, isolated really magically tasty one. It was totallly in character for my character to try to jump him Mike.
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There was also multiple ways for Satoshi to stop this without instantly noticing it was a symbiote too. However we don't need to get into that.
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That's kind of what symbiotes do. I established that he was looking for host and Satoshi looked like a nice, distracted, isolated really magically tasty one. It was totallly in character for my character to try to jump him Mike.
Sure, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with you doing so. But, it shouldn't have descended into an OOC argument about whether or not Satoshi should get corrupted, you guys should have come to an agreement, and both of you were at fault for that.
The nature of this RP is such that not all characters are equally powerful (and, indeed, there are massive disparities in power). For that to work, we have to have a way to ensure that the weaker characters don't just become chew toys for the more powerful ones, with their players having absolutely no control whatsoever over the direction they end up going in (even if it's a direction they would rather avoid).
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Arguably to a character lacking in power, but high willpower, fusing with Gray's symbiote would be a boon because of a stat boost.
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Arguably to a character lacking in power, but high willpower, fusing with Gray's symbiote would be a boon because of a stat boost.
Yes, perhaps it would, if all you care about is power. But, if all I cared about was power then I'd have made a powerful character in the first place....
Someone like Sakura would actually do quite well with the symbiote (she's got exceptional willpower, plus she has experience of having another entity influencing her, and of resisting that entity), but I suspect that ICly she would be very uncomfortable about the idea unless she needed the power (if Kiyoshi was in danger, for example).
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Eh, from I what gathered from the sheet the symbiote cares mostly about having hosts with passionate emotions and good level of abilities. Probably a passionate but good person with necessary willpower could get some extra powers for a little price of sharing a body with somebody else.
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Again, yes, that is right, but not everyone necessarily wants that for their character. Being more powerful does not always make the character more fun to play.
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Tell that minmaxers
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Yeah, well, this is not really an RP for min-maxers....
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Minmaxing is impossible, yes, but smuggling in OP character is.
I'm taking Mordred if anyone does not have objections, in Tuesday.
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Minmaxing is impossible, yes, but smuggling in OP character is.
I'm taking Mordred if anyone does not have objections, in Tuesday.
*presses button* (http://www.myinstants.com/instant/objection/)
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090916205051/sonicfanon/images/e/e2/Medium_phoenix_wright_objection_.gif)
...Nah. I have none. I just wanted to do that.
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Minmaxing is impossible, yes, but smuggling in OP character is.
Sure but, even so, the point of the RP is not to have the most powerful character, and people should absolutely not be using their power to bully other players into doing what they want (bullying characters is, of course, OK, but not if it's going to wreck the RP for the person playing them, or if they have a good reason not to want to go down the path you're trying to force them down).
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Why are you telling me this? I did not bully any character, you see.
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I know, it's just a general statement.
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Hey Brahmastra, Asked about Gil having the prototypes to Excalibur and Avalon on BL, it appears to be debatable to some extent.
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Can someone inform me who the dead PCs are?
I can ressurect them or eat them with the symbiote depending upon my choice.
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GET!
Seriously though I was wondering that too.
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Hey Brahmastra, Asked about Gil having the prototypes to Excalibur and Avalon on BL, it appears to be debatable to some extent.
Just listen to anything Siriel says and ignore everything else.
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That sounds very biased.
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Can someone inform me who the dead PCs are?
I can ressurect them or eat them with the symbiote depending upon my choice.
The only PCs that I know of having died are a couple of Daiki's characters, and they are both beyond resurrecting, I think (Satoshi couldn't manage it, and that was some time ago).
That sounds very biased.
Yeah, "only listen to the guy who agrees with me" is not exactly the most convincing of arguments....
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Can someone inform me who the dead PCs are?
I can ressurect them or eat them with the symbiote depending upon my choice.
The only dead PCs so far are three of Daiki's: Shuya, Isa, and Ruu. All three are beyond resurrection I think, especially Shuya, who literally lost his head (or to be specific, has it scattered in teeny tiny bits in the hallway).
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That sounds very biased.
Yeah, "only listen to the guy who agrees with me" is not exactly the most convincing of arguments....
Rather, "Listen to the guy with borderline-eidetic memory and having a record of being correct about 98% of the time" is a rather convincing argument. Then again, convincing arguments have never been something DSM has been well-known for.
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siriel is unofficial new food for the sole reason that he is soon becoming tobi's sworn enemy
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How does PC submission work around here: I post it in the relevant thread and it gets looked at, or PM it to Elf for the okay beforehand and *then* post it?
:V
Double checking.
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Post sheet in relevant thread, and then you're clear to post once Elf okays it. ^c^
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Milbunk, mind if Grigori teams up with Downy for a doomvirate of evil mages (judging from your sheet)?
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Hey guys, I want you to be on the look out on this pages.
There's going to be some big news either today but probably more like tomorrow.
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(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/49947367.jpg)
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Also, because of this news, I really don't want anyone to post new character sheets until after the announcement.
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Hmm, what's it about?
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There's going to be some big news either today but probably more like tomorrow.
She'll say later today or tomorrow.
(http://i.imgur.com/o8tU5Ub.gif)
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I'm shivering with... ANTICIPATION!
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Ominous at best.
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I want Elf to surprise me.
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Ominous at best.
Trust me it's the best thing to ever happen to the RP
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You already know what it is? How?
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Elf is pretty competent. If she is making something big happen it'll most likely be good thing. Unless it's a cancelation of the whole RP. Then that would suck.
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OK, where are you guys getting this from? What has Elf said to you, and where?
BTW, Gray, aside from the fact that I saw it already, I have admin powers, so I can read post edits....
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You already know what it is? How?
My lips are sealed
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He's assuming, however he has talked with Elf over Skype.
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Well, I'm hoping Elf hasn't been working something massive out with you guys behind my back, I've known her long enough to hope for better than that, and after what happened to me on BL (with the mods and admins constantly failing to keep me informed on anything and never communicating with me aside from (badly) through Altima) I hate it when people do stuff like that.
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Why it's always about Altima? >_>
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Well, I'm hoping Elf hasn't been working something massive out with you guys behind my back, I've known her long enough to hope for better than that, and after what happened to me on BL (with the mods and admins constantly failing to keep me informed on anything and never communicating with me aside from (badly) through Altima) I hate it when people do stuff like that.
I assure you that this is the best possible thing to happen for every player.
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Whatever the decision is, I trust Elf's judgement on the matter.
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Well, I'm hoping Elf hasn't been working something massive out with you guys behind my back, I've known her long enough to hope for better than that, and after what happened to me on BL (with the mods and admins constantly failing to keep me informed on anything and never communicating with me aside from (badly) through Altima) I hate it when people do stuff like that.
Is it really alright for an admin to be acting this paranoid in public?
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Or that biased?
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Why it's always about Altima? >_>
That wasn't referring to Altima specifically, but rather to the entire admin and mod team of BL. Their communication (as a group) is genuinely awful, and they are extremely opaque about things.
Well, I'm hoping Elf hasn't been working something massive out with you guys behind my back, I've known her long enough to hope for better than that, and after what happened to me on BL (with the mods and admins constantly failing to keep me informed on anything and never communicating with me aside from (badly) through Altima) I hate it when people do stuff like that.
I assure you that this is the best possible thing to happen for every player.
Including me and Lantz?
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Of course.
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That wasn't referring to Altima specifically, but rather to the entire admin and mod team of BL. Their communication (as a group) is genuinely awful, and they are extremely opaque about things.
That's in the past.
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Wasn't Elf a member of them. Aren't you insulting a member of your own Mod team?
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Yes, she was (and still is), but she's not really responsible for the rest of the team, and she was probably the best communicator of the lot (she was the one who ended up writing the ultimatum they gave me, despite not even agreeing with it, and she is also the only one who ever actually managed to help me with anything, since Altima just got pissy when I didn't do exactly what he said). The rest of them are damn awful, though, and everything they did was very private and with no attempt to talk to the person in question.
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I like Tobias. He's pretty reasonable when Active, Theocrass if pretty cool guy (who also shares my love of Lancelot), Five_X has been pretty reasonable so far, from my interactions with IRUN with my attempts to get into the his JoJo RP he also seems to be pretty awesome.
Altima is pretty big sakura fan so I thought that you two'd get along.
You did give a lot of vitriol to them near the end if I'm reading your blog posts right though.
Did I miss anyone of the more frequent mods/admins?
From my perspective Mike they all seemed pretty good Mods or people so what caused them all to become apparently worse than Hitler when they banned you?
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I like Tobias. He's pretty reasonable when Active, Theocrass if pretty cool guy (who also shares my love of Lancelot), Five_X has been pretty reasonable so far, from my interactions with IRUN with my attempts to get into the his JoJo RP he also seems to be pretty awesome.
IRUn and Theo are alright. Tobias I thought was reasonable, but he made no effort whatsoever to even try to talk to me before voting to ban me (or afterwards when I asked), and Five was even worse in that respect.
Altima is pretty big sakura fan so I thought that you two'd get along.
We did, until he banned me completely unfairly and against even their own rules on bans....
You did give a lot of vitriol to them near the end if I'm reading your blog posts right though.
Well, I pointed out their flaws quite strongly, yes. I did perhaps take it a bit far sometimes, but I still think that their response was way too extreme.
Did I miss anyone of the more frequent mods/admins?
Not really, although some of them were more active when I was around.
From my perspective Mike they all seemed pretty good Mods or people so what caused them all to become apparently worse than Hitler when they banned you?
Well, of course they seemed OK to you, you don't rock the boat or question their decisions. As soon as you do that they start getting a lot worse....
Admittedly, I am not the best at communicating, and nor are they, so we often ended up at crossed wires somewhat, but they were fully aware of that and they still went ahead with it. I sent you a message before explaining what happened, you should read that....
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Five_X is a cool guy, fellow Paradox fan.
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The only mod I would even call below-average is DP, and maybe Altima, but none of the mods or admins are people I could ever call incompetent at what they do. Your opinion reeks far away of personal bias, Mike, therefor I'm not considering it.
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Yes, she was (and still is), but she's not really responsible for the rest of the team, and she was probably the best communicator of the lot (she was the one who ended up writing the ultimatum they gave me, despite not even agreeing with it, and she is also the only one who ever actually managed to help me with anything, since Altima just got pissy when I didn't do exactly what he said). The rest of them are damn awful, though, and everything they did was very private and with no attempt to talk to the person in question.
Way to talk trash about me and my Good Friends behind our backs. Gosh.
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The only mod I would even call below-average is DP, and maybe Altima, but none of the mods or admins are people I could ever call incompetent at what they do. Your opinion reeks far away of personal bias, Mike, therefor I'm not considering it.
Well, of course I am biased. Equally, though, you don't have as much experience dealing with them as I do.
DP is a terrible admin, though, and Altima is also terrible (I think that literally no-one thinks he handled the situation surrounding my ban well, even if some think I should have been banned a long time before). As for the mods, most of them don't even do anything. I would agree, though, that the mods are not bad at moderation, they're just too authoritarian and don't like criticism.
Yes, she was (and still is), but she's not really responsible for the rest of the team, and she was probably the best communicator of the lot (she was the one who ended up writing the ultimatum they gave me, despite not even agreeing with it, and she is also the only one who ever actually managed to help me with anything, since Altima just got pissy when I didn't do exactly what he said). The rest of them are damn awful, though, and everything they did was very private and with no attempt to talk to the person in question.
Way to talk trash about me and my Good Friends behind our backs. Gosh.
They are all perfectly capable of reading and posting on this forum if they so desire, and I would happily post this on BL if I were allowed to. It's not my fault they choose not to allow me to say how I feel in a place where they can easily reply.
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I read it.
That was more directed at Altima. I just wanted to know the specifics on the other guys as it couldn't have been a one man wrecking team knocking you out.
Also didn't they give you multiple warnings IIRC from my little skiming of that fiasco?
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I read it.
That was more directed at Altima. I just wanted to know the specifics on the other guys as it couldn't have been a one man wrecking team knocking you out.
Well, I don't know the specifics of why the other guys voted to ban me, none of them ever said. But, Altima banned me before they voted on it, and I don't for a second believe that the fact that I was already banned and overturning it would make Altima look like an idiot didn't have an effect on the final decision.
Also didn't they give you multiple warnings IIRC from my little skiming of that fiasco?
Not that I recall.
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The only mod I would even call below-average is DP, and maybe Altima, but none of the mods or admins are people I could ever call incompetent at what they do. Your opinion reeks far away of personal bias, Mike, therefor I'm not considering it.
Well, of course I am biased. Equally, though, you don't have as much experience dealing with them as I do.
DP is a terrible admin, though, and Altima is also terrible (I think that literally no-one thinks he handled the situation surrounding my ban well, even if some think I should have been banned a long time before). As for the mods, most of them don't even do anything. I would agree, though, that the mods are not bad at moderation, they're just too authoritarian and don't like criticism.
Yes, she was (and still is), but she's not really responsible for the rest of the team, and she was probably the best communicator of the lot (she was the one who ended up writing the ultimatum they gave me, despite not even agreeing with it, and she is also the only one who ever actually managed to help me with anything, since Altima just got pissy when I didn't do exactly what he said). The rest of them are damn awful, though, and everything they did was very private and with no attempt to talk to the person in question.
Way to talk trash about me and my Good Friends behind our backs. Gosh.
They are all perfectly capable of reading and posting on this forum if they so desire, and I would happily post this on BL if I were allowed to. It's not my fault they choose not to allow me to say how I feel in a place where they can easily reply.
Rude.
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Frankly regardless of the situation I don't think this is the right thread for it.
I will say the mystery (and more importantly the possibility that some users are aware while others are in the dark) has me a bit concerned
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Aren't you contradicting yourself, calling them authoritarian, yet saying they don't do much?
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To use your own argument against you lantz, I can't post spoilers.
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Why am I seeing administration ranting about the mods of another forum? What kind of infantile shit is this?
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That's a bit of contradiction you got there man. You said most of them don't really do anything and called them pretty authoritarian in the same breath.
From my roughly limited perspective it seems that they act when the really need to and stand by their decisions when they do.
BL seems to be a pretty free place to chat around to me. The only time I got a mod breathing down my neck was when I called somethig cancer and even then I just had to explain that it was metaphor instead of a complete dismissal of the idea and I got off good.
On a side note: I hear you do astrophysics how's that?
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Why am I seeing administration ranting about the mods of another forum? What kind of infantile shit is this?
He's not technically an admin. His main job is to maintain the forum, hence the title. The real administration will have either a moderator title, or an administrator title, like me, and either red or green command seals (assuming you're using the default style).
Also, taking a cue from that, I should have stepped in and stopped this a lot sooner. Let's just drop the subject period.
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Mike, Life's too short to carry grudges. Once you are seventy years old, you will realize this and go to Altima's senior home to hang out, and compare vintage Sakura figurines.
As for the sekrit announcement, it's a GM call. The fact some people know about it and some don't means nothing, the GM's words are absolute, no matter what they are.
She could suddenly declare Nexus city has its foundations made out of cheese and you'd have to roll with it, for she is GM, and she is God.
Though we might have to change the name to "Cheese Effects."
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That's a bit of contradiction you got there man. You said most of them don't really do anything and called them pretty authoritarian in the same breath.
Authoritarian doesn't mean active....
Anyway, Lantz is right, we shouldn't be discussing this here.
On a side note: I hear you do astrophysics how's that?
It's probably better if we don't discuss this here, either another thread or PM/VM would be better.
As for the sekrit announcement, it's a GM call. The fact some people know about it and some don't means nothing, the GM's words are absolute, no matter what they are.
You're kind-of missing the point there. Obviously, yes, we have to go with it, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to be upset about it, and the fact that some people are seemingly more "in the know" than others is still worrying. Further, it is not remotely surprising that people would speculate about it, that's just normal behaviour in every forum that ever existed.
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You're kind-of missing the point there. Obviously, yes, we have to go with it, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to be upset about it, and the fact that some people are seemingly more "in the know" than others is still worrying.
You're implying plotting. Stop that right this instant young man, it's disrespectful to the grown-up, mature lady who is capable of deciding her own thoughts and actions.
It's Elf's decision, period.
Further, it is not remotely surprising that people would speculate about it, that's just normal behaviour in every forum that ever existed.
practically what forums were made for, I never said to dish the specula
just the "HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW, I SMELL A PLOT"
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You're kind-of missing the point there. Obviously, yes, we have to go with it, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to be upset about it, and the fact that some people are seemingly more "in the know" than others is still worrying.
You're implying plotting. Stop that right this instant young man, it's disrespectful to the grown-up, mature lady who is capable of deciding her own thoughts and actions.
It's Elf's decision, period.
It's not that I think she's "plotting", it's that it comes across as if she's more willing to talk to people like Brah and Gray about it than she is to me. And, since I have been friends with her for a long time and, thus, wouldn't expect her to be more willing to let them in on a secret than me, that makes me worried that what she is doing is something she knows I won't like, and that she is avoiding telling me for that reason.
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Still means you're doubting her.
Seriously just sit tight and wait for the news without >implying betrayal
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"HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW, I SMELL A PLOT"
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Yeah, I know, but I am wary of betrayal now after what happened in the past, so I'm just very paranoid.
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You're kind-of missing the point there. Obviously, yes, we have to go with it, but that doesn't mean people aren't going to be upset about it, and the fact that some people are seemingly more "in the know" than others is still worrying.
You're implying plotting. Stop that right this instant young man, it's disrespectful to the grown-up, mature lady who is capable of deciding her own thoughts and actions.
It's Elf's decision, period.
It's not that I think she's "plotting", it's that it comes across as if she's more willing to talk to people like Brah and Gray about it than she is to me. And, since I have been friends with her for a long time and, thus, wouldn't expect her to be more willing to let them in on a secret than me, that makes me worried that what she is doing is something she knows I won't like, and that she is avoiding telling me for that reason.
...So let me get things straight:
Certain less-than-non-biased-against-you members SAY they know what Elf's news is ... and you instantly *believe* these (from your POV) less than trustworthy sources as telling the truth to *you*?
:V
That's how this ENTIRE argument sounds.
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Mike you just need to listen to this song and follow it.
Disney's Frozen "Let It Go" Sequence Performed by Idina Menzel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk#ws)
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Not even the best song in the movie, overhyped
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...So let me get things straight:
Certain less-than-non-biased-against-you members SAY they know what Elf's news is ... and you instantly *believe* these (from your POV) less than trustworthy sources as telling the truth to *you*?
:V
That's how this ENTIRE argument sounds.
Well, I don't know for sure what they know, but they were certainly acting like they had a reasonable amount of knowledge, and I don't think Gray is a troll, so it made sense for me to assume that they did know more than I do. And, having talked to other people, it's pretty clear that Elf did say something on the BL Skype chat, although they probably are reading a lot more into it than was actually said.
Mike you just need to listen to this song and follow it.
Disney's Frozen "Let It Go" Sequence Performed by Idina Menzel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk#ws)
I'll let go when they let go. And, since I am still banned and they have therefore evidentially not let go, why should I be expected to?
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Why should they let you come back when you have shown that you don't even understand why you were banned yet. You were given literally dozens of chances but nope! it's all their fault, naturally, because you could never be wrong.
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It's all been let go. No feelings remain. The world is stable.
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Why should they let you come back when you have shown that you don't even understand why you were banned yet.
They have made no effort to discuss it with me or talk to me in any way so, no, I don't understand why I was banned, and as long as they refuse to make the slightest effort to talk to me or be reasonable I never will.
You were given literally dozens of chances but nope! it's all their fault, naturally, because you could never be wrong.
No, I was not given "dozens of chances". Not least because I actually stopped doing the thing they originally complained about, and by their own admission I was improving significantly. But, they suddenly dumped me with that stupid ultimatum out of nowhere, and then Altima banned me for virtually nothing after lying through his teeth to me over MSN.
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The statement that there was not talking is a falsehood.
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I give up on this stupid shit. You're a wall made of butthurt and obliviousness.
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The statement that there was not talking is a falsehood.
Yes, you talked to me, you were just about the only one who did so in a remotely constructive manner (Altima refused point-blank to do anything other than say that I was banned and he would never change his mind no matter what). And, I was still somewhat upset and angry when I talked to you, too, so possibly I didn't always come across brilliantly. It takes time to realise things you've done wrong sometimes (and, I have realised that I did do things wrong on BL, although I still think that what Altima did was horrendous, and until he actually explains himself to me I will never understand or accept it).
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No, I was not given "dozens of chances". Not least because I actually stopped doing the thing they originally complained about, and by their own admission I was improving significantly. But, they suddenly dumped me with that stupid ultimatum out of nowhere, and then Altima banned me for virtually nothing after lying through his teeth to me over MSN.
It was more like your shitlist had become so long that they couldn't not ban you anymore. Leo did the mod/admins go easier on Mike than others? I remember something about special treatment but I haven't read that thread in a while.
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No, I was not given "dozens of chances". Not least because I actually stopped doing the thing they originally complained about, and by their own admission I was improving significantly. But, they suddenly dumped me with that stupid ultimatum out of nowhere, and then Altima banned me for virtually nothing after lying through his teeth to me over MSN.
It was more like your shitlist had become so long that they couldn't not ban you anymore. Leo did the mod/admins go easier on Mike than others? I remember something about special treatment but I haven't read that thread in a while.
That is stupid logic, though. If you give someone the chance to improve and then ban them when they are improving, why did you even bother trying in the first place?
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What if the improvement was perceived as not fast enough?
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Seriously not the thread for this, stop
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Yeah, Lantz and Alice are right, this isn't the thread for this discussion.
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Okay one last thing before we drop it.
You just mentioned an ultimatum. I mentioned that there was warnings. You said you didn't recall any. Wasn't that ultimatum thus a warning? I'm just confused man.
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PMs/VMs exist d00d.
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Okay, Okay. It's moved there.
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Guys, I would like to say BL Drama stays on BL.
As for the RP . . . well . . .
You comic fans know that sometimes when a storyline becomes too incoherent or full of such What the Fuck that a change needs to be made. However, sometimes the original story has been shat upon so much that it can't be fixed. Or its not worth fixing or maybe the writers and editorial team want to do something different.
After some long and hard thought, and a few discussions with people who are on line the same time as me. Because Mike is in England, Elf is in the US and doesn't have Day Walker hours so I really can't talk to him about it overly long. So no, I'm not plotting against anyone here.
However, back to the discussion at hand.
What I'm wanting to do is a REBOOT. I want to start the RP over from scratch and learning from my mistakes I'm going to be a little bit more strict of a GM.
So, stay tuned for how the REBOOT is going to work and how it's going to benefit the players new and old, and maybe attract some new players as well and more traffic onto the site.
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Guys, I would like to say BL Drama stays on BL.
As for the RP . . . well . . .
You comic fans know that sometimes when a storyline becomes too incoherent or full of such What the Fuck that a change needs to be made. However, sometimes the original story has been shat upon so much that it can't be fixed. Or its not worth fixing or maybe the writers and editorial team want to do something different.
After some long and hard thought, and a few discussions with people who are on line the same time as me. Because Mike is in England, Elf is in the US and doesn't have Day Walker hours so I really can't talk to him about it overly long. So no, I'm not plotting against anyone here.
However, back to the discussion at hand.
What I'm wanting to do is a REBOOT. I want to start the RP over from scratch and learning from my mistakes I'm going to be a little bit more strict of a GM.
So, stay tuned for how the REBOOT is going to work and how it's going to benefit the players new and old, and maybe attract some new players as well and more traffic onto the site.
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the site.
So we're staying on-site? boo.
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So we're staying on-site? boo.
Yes, we're staying on site. I actually have more freedom as a GM here because I'm not an admin.
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Aww, I wanted to talk to you once you announced it over on Skype so I could find out when you wanted me to start archiving things. :( That's entirely my bad though, I started playing Bravely Default and didn't watch the time. ^^"
...So yeah, when you're ready for me to make a separate sub forum to archive everything, just let me know! :)
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How do you have less powers here than you do anywhere else, are there places that don't grant the GM absolute power over every aspect of their game when they do a homebrew/freeform system?
Like, I am not saying that you should post this on BL since that would give this forum the last shove off the cliff into solely being the laugh-at-lantz-and-mike-station that I so adamantly try to turn it into, I just don't get your argument.
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I think what she's saying is that by being a GM in a place where she's not simultaneously being an admin, she doesn't have to juggle both at once, thus giving her more freedom. She can put all her focus onto regulating the RP without having to focus nearly as much on having to regulate any squabbling inside the discussion thread. ...And before you say anything, I'm certain that the stricter regulations will make this much easier for us to moderate effectively, so we can do our jobs properly without having to deal with waves upon waves of drama that come in so many swells that it's almost nigh impossible to moderate properly.
So yeah, I think it's more that it's less stressful for her to GM in a place where she's not shouldering two responsibilities at the same time more than anything.
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I'm all for a reboot honestly, things started out too cluttered in the first bit and this time around I think I'll only need six characters maybe five.
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I'd say we reboot the RP but stay true to the original rules and add some more to curtail the powergaming that's happening right now. I mean, this RP is supposed to be about "[...]I want this RP to be about interaction, world building, and characterization.", as per words of Ma'am Elf herself.
And please, let's not reduce the number of characters we can play, only on how powerful they can be.
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I was told as long as I remove the mountains and Brahma weapons I can keep Karna as he is now. So long as there's no abusing of it, there's nothing inherently bad about strong characters.
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I'd say we reboot the RP but stay true to the original rules and add some more to curtail the powergaming that's happening right now. I mean, this RP is supposed to be about "[...]I want this RP to be about interaction, world building, and characterization.", as per words of Ma'am Elf herself.
And please, let's not reduce the number of characters we can play, only on how powerful they can be.
I think that's actually going to happen. Though you'll get the exact details once Elf makes the new threads. :)
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Hope Grigori gets accepted smoothly, I need someone to experiment on Mordred.
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As long as Satoshi and his merry band of cultists aren't allowed back in I'm all for it.
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Is the concept of my power consuming Grim to metagamy for the reboot?
I have some back up plans for permanent host if the thing with Soldat falls through.
I like experimenting with power sets and growth and see this RP as a little experimental playground to improve my writing skills would it be okay if my characters did improve in power set or skill as time went on in this RP, they would get into fights but I'd try to keep them within reason and in character. Would that be fine? as I don't want my experimenting to mess up other players.
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Waking up to drama and then Reboot makes me Shaft head-tilt.
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I was told as long as I remove the mountains and Brahma weapons I can keep Karna as he is now. So long as there's no abusing of it, there's nothing inherently bad about strong characters.
Well, yeah, that's the point I was making. OP characters are fine, but OP characters that you use to basically control the RP and force everyone else to follow your lead are not.
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Well, yeah, that's the point I was making. OP characters are fine, but OP characters that you use to basically control the RP and force everyone else to follow your lead are not.
So Satoshi shouldn't be allowed. I'm glad we can all agreed that this is the best choice for the RP, Mike.
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Good, no Satoshi allowed then.
And dammit lyco you ninja'd me.
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Waking up to drama and then Reboot makes me Shaft head-tilt.
(http://i.imgur.com/cSG7SQG.gif)
Hmm, is that so, Lycodrake-kun? I thought you were the kind of person to be more clearly overjoyed by this. But if you went past a certain point, you'd be a pervert, wouldn't you.
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And dammit lyco you ninja'd me.
(http://i.imgur.com/i4okV4d.gif)
*Senjougahara gif snip*
Hmm, is that so, Lycodrake-kun? I thought you were the kind of person to be more clearly overjoyed by this. But if you went past a certain point, you'd be a pervert, wouldn't you.
Dang it, YOLF. >v>
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Rather than engaging in player violence I'll wait for Elf, frankly though he never did any actually harm to other characters, unlike the titans and others he did his best to stay out of people's way.
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Rather than engaging in player violence I'll wait for Elf, frankly though he never did any actually harm to other characters, unlike the titans and others he did his best to stay out of people's way.
I'm not sure what you are talking about and who these "titans" are - besides perhaps Karna and Gilgamesh, but I have seen enough to know that Satoshi makes demands of other player characters.
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Demands? The fuck?
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Wow Lantz it's like you have no idea of how Satoshi acts and does things despite playing him.
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It's not that Satoshi makes that many demands. But I think lantz's writing for the RP sometimes clearly tried to force the narration along in a certain direction without giving others a fair chance to do anything.
(I recall something of an outrage over the Angra Mainyu cop out in Forest's complex a while ago.)
Like Gray has in regard to the way he wanted to play Grim, lantz's writing for some characters has come off as somewhat forceful on occasion.
And even if Satoshi hasn't been that demanding (mostly liking to take charge when he doesn't need to), future Rin has definitely seemed demanding, and been disrespectful in that way.
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The incident you refer to YOLF was one I objected to based on two grounds.
1) That imprisoning Angra in a fuck off bottle would give her no way to interact (regardless of what Arch says now he not specify that she could interact with people.) and thus no character development. The point of the game is character development.
2) there was no way out except to be let out mean that Angra would be stuck as a non character forever because Arch was clearly never going to let her out.
in other words I wanted to keep my right to actually play the character.
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Uh, that actually wasn't the part I was referring to, I meant the argument that there was before about your characters resolving Angra's presence in a way that left the others that wanted to react hanging. I believe you even edited a post on account of that?
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That stemmed from two things
1)apart from Angra I had no active characters at the time, I would actually like to play the game dude
2) a misunderstanding of the house lay out.
in my edit I still managed the first without any trouble to anyone. That's all it was,a misunderstanding.
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Well dag nabit I was doing all sorts of fun planning stuff with all sorts of people but now I gotta redo it all. Oh well I suppose things were getting a little out of hand.
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In my case there will be a modified timeskip, as far as Ellen is concerned, but JoJo will be involved in a new plotline. Will interact with any non evil character.
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As for Adult Rin, I doubt I'll be playing her again
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Rather than engaging in player violence I'll wait for Elf, frankly though he never did any actually harm to other characters, unlike the titans and others he did his best to stay out of people's way.
However, there will need to be something to do with Satoshi. Unfortunately, he's a character that no one wants to have anything to do with. I've got multiple complaints in this thread and in PMs by other members as well. Not to mention the whole drama caused a very valued player to leave the RP.
I don't want this to turn into another Sun's Cafe.
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Your choice elf, pm sent anyway, check you box.
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Rather than engaging in player violence I'll wait for Elf, frankly though he never did any actually harm to other characters, unlike the titans and others he did his best to stay out of people's way.
Titans? Forcing people? M8, what me and Moony did was the most interesting development the RP ever saw.
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I'd like to point out that the reboot happened shortly after you guys started your mass battle. True, it's certainly not the only reason for it, but it was part of it.
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As well as friggin Satoshi.
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Well, I'm sorry that our battle forced meaningful character interaction. If only that could be achieved without playing our characters. What a shame. I'm so sorry that two players did something in a group RP that you don't agree with, automatically making it a terrible incident that you feel the need to bring up at every turn even though you've flat out stated you were going to ignore it. Please, accept my most sincere apologies for us playing our characters in an incident that doesn't actually force anyone to do anything they don't want to since we haven't actually mentally interfered with them or told them do do something, thus leaving them complete freedom to respond however they want, up to and including ignoring our battle. Please, again, accept my most sincere apologies.
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It was awesome though.
I would suggest any large scale battles in the future take place in a nearby empty dimension or some plot device be used to prevent mass death and destruction, that way the people who don't want to fight won't feel like their getting dragged in by the people who do.
If needed I could try making a character to do that.
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With the reboot, I could reconsider my exclusion of Lycodrake Aptera's "Spawn of Typhon and Echidna" form - aka KAIJU LYCO.
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It was awesome though.
I would suggest any large scale battles in the future take place in a nearby empty dimension or some plot device be used to prevent mass death and destruction, that way the people who don't want to fight won't feel like their getting dragged in by the people who do.
If needed I could try making a character to do that.
Grigori or Downy could probably pull it off.
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But would they?
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It was awesome though.
I would suggest any large scale battles in the future take place in a nearby empty dimension or some plot device be used to prevent mass death and destruction, that way the people who don't want to fight won't feel like their getting dragged in by the people who do.
If needed I could try making a character to do that.
Yeah, pretty much. The problem is not having a big fight, it's having a big fight that everyone else simply can't ignore, at least not if they want to remain in-character. And, also, having ridiculously OP characters who cannot possibly be beaten aside from by each other.
And, what I said is 100% true. If Elf had just had enough of Satoshi, she would have just kicked him from the RP or nerfed him and then got on with it. That was part of the reason for the reboot, but not the only reason.
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I would suggest any large scale battles in the future take place in a nearby empty dimension or some plot device be used to prevent mass death and destruction, that way the people who don't want to fight won't feel like their getting dragged in by the people who do.
This sounds boring though, especially if you're going to make a character around it. Large-scale battles have no impact without destruction.
I'd like to point out that the reboot happened shortly after you guys started your mass battle. True, it's certainly not the only reason for it, but it was part of it.
I'd like to point out that the reboot happened almost two weeks after the battle's conclusion, and within no time of the recent lantz-metagaming incident that caused ragequits.
I've conversed with Elf on the topic before we even started the battle. There was absolutely nothing wrong with anything that happened in it.
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Well given current characters nerfing Satoshi power wise won't help anything. As for his personality, the guy has one button and it's a pretty reasonable one, killing people. If you don't threaten to or otherwise murder people he'll be fine with you.
as for his proactive nature, well I dunno, not much wrong with that in and of itself.
if you guys have honest non snark ridden suggestions go ahead
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Well I guess it's time to make a genocidal maniac!
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I'd like to point out that the reboot happened almost two weeks after the battle's conclusion, and within no time of the recent lantz-metagaming incident that caused ragequits.
As I said, though, if the only problem was Lantz then there is no reason for a reboot. There is clearly a bigger issue there, and the increase in OPness of characters (and their willingness to use that power indiscriminately) was definitely part of it.
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I don't see how a magic-based symbiote prompting lantz to meta-game is related to Brah and Moon having Karna and Gilgamesh duke it out.
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I don't see how a magic-based symbiote prompting lantz to meta-game is related to Brah and Moon having Karna and Gilgamesh duke it out.
As I said, though, Lantz is clearly not the sole reason for the reboot. If Lantz was the only problem then Elf would have just dealt with Lantz....
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and the increase in OPness of characters (and their willingness to use that power indiscriminately) was definitely part of it.
Hah, that's rich! The only people we used the OPness of our characters against was people of equal power. Against anyone not of that power tier, both the characters in question would not use that level of power (Karna because he knows restraint and Gil out of lack of need/carelessness), as I evidenced against Umbra's PARIAH.
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Brah regardless of anything you wiped out a large portion of the city. Party foul.
Gray just stop. You clearly don't actually care so please stay out of it.
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Brah regardless of anything you wiped out a large portion of the city. Party foul.
Gray just stop. You clearly don't actually care so please stay out of it.
A large portion of a city filled with faceless mooks that have literally no meaning. Also they were in the way.
Gray can create an omnicidal maniac if he wants to and you cant stop him. In fact, I'm playing among other things my favorite omnicidal maniac in the remake
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Do you really care about faceless mooks?
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Brah regardless of anything you wiped out a large portion of the city. Party foul.
Gray just stop. You clearly don't actually care so please stay out of it.
A large portion of a city filled with faceless mooks that have literally no meaning. Also they were in the way.
Gray can create an omnicidal maniac if he wants to and you cant stop him. In fact, I'm playing among other things my favorite omnicidal maniac in the remake
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccP2ITompu8#t=7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccP2ITompu8#t=7)
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Do you really care about faceless mooks?
OOCly, no, but ICly we certainly would.
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Well, the reboot is a blessing in disguise for me. Especially since I wanted to get involved in it but it didn't want to just jump on since it seemed to go nicely.
Time to make character sheets.
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What do you mean by that Lantz?
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Well, the reboot is a blessing in disguise for me. Especially since I wanted to get involved in it but it didn't want to just jump on since it seemed to go nicely.
Time to make character sheets.
Well, you should probably wait for Elf to announce the new rules, although I guess you can work on them beforehand.
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I just hope I don't have to redo Minato, I spent over a week making him.
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Well my characters I have planned are and 18 year old Tokiomi and another magus of my own design that is slightly more unhinged. Perhaps one of the servants I made in the past.
So unless the change in rules is massive I don't think they will need to change to much.
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Is 18 year old tokiome who your avatar is supposed to be? If so he looks pretty cool. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm planning on doing Avdol and Grim again as well as possibly an AU! Nero from DMC4 and a version of Shirou with a Lancelot fragment inside of him (gives him power in exchange for berserkenss occasionally and huge mana drain).
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Hmm, Tokiomi showing up would be pretty interesting. It would also likely change his life significantly, because he'd meet his children (I'll be playing Sakura, and I suspect Alice will play Rin) and several grandchildren, and likely find out what would happen to them in the future (i.e., Rider and Shirou would force him to promise at sword/nail point never to hand his daughter over to Zouken...).
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Yeah I'm interested in seeing the potential character development. Could switch his priorities from pure magi mindset and success to actually wanting those close to him to be happy, also a drop in his potential naivety.
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The thing is this is a Tokiomi at age 18. He is not the head of the Tohsaka family yet, and although is getting close he is not yet in the archetypical magus mind set.
Also he is kinda smug. It somewhat comes with being the only child of a magus family. Honestly he is like Rin without the tsundere part of her. He will probably convince himself that these people are crazy and try to ignore them. Also I doubt anything you say will actually set him of the path of the magus he as chosen.
He will be so much fun.
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(i.e., Rider and Shirou would force him to promise at sword/nail point never to hand his daughter over to Zouken...).
Which would make Rider and Matou Sakura pop out of existence because they are then paradoxes.
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Or he would make sure that birth control was applied.
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Which would make Rider and Matou Sakura pop out of existence because they are then paradoxes.
Which is something my other magus character would be very, very interested in testing.
If only to see the psychological effects it would have on people close to them.
Boy he is going to be fun as well.
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The thing is this is a Tokiomi at age 18. He is not the head of the Tohsaka family yet, and although is getting close he is not yet in the archetypical magus mind set.
Then, surely, meeting his own family will change him quite a bit, just like how Rin's path was changed by the Grail War (in all three routes).
Also he is kinda smug. It somewhat comes with being the only child of a magus family. Honestly he is like Rin without the tsundere part of her. He will probably convince himself that these people are crazy and try to ignore them.
It's kind-of difficult for him to ignore the fact that Rin and one of Sakura's daughters uses Tohsaka magecraft and that Rin has the crest, though.
Also I doubt anything you say will actually set him of the path of the magus he as chosen.
Probably not, but if canon Tokiomi had known what would happen to Sakura I don't think he'd have sent her to Zouken.
He will be so much fun.
Lol, possibly.
(i.e., Rider and Shirou would force him to promise at sword/nail point never to hand his daughter over to Zouken...).
Which would make Rider and Matou Sakura pop out of existence because they are paradoxes.
Nope, for the same reason as Ryoko (Rin and Dark Archer's daughter) showing up in her own past doesn't cause her to not exist. It's a different universe, nothing they do will affect their own existence.
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Terumi will probably stop them just because he wants to see them and Sakura suffer. It'll be great.
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Exactly what I said Gray, I asked for feedback and you decided to be a jerk. As it stands every time a player has come to me with an idea I've gone with it. Satoshi and the rest have been restrained to be sidelined guys as best as possible. I'm being bloody cooperative here but it's still not enough for the rest of you.
I don't see how I can make Satoshi fit whatever crazy requirements you've gotten in your heads, no way that's bloody fair anyway.
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Exactly what I said Gray, I asked for feedback and you decided to be a jerk. As it stands every time a player has come to me with an idea I've gone with it. Satoshi and the rest have been restrained to be sidelined guys as best as possible. I'm being bloody cooperative here but it's still not enough for the rest of you.
I don't see how I can make Satoshi fit whatever crazy requirements you've gotten in your heads, no way that's bloody fair anyway.
>Cooperative
>Whines when a character almost does damage to Satoshi.
roflmao
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Permanent damage without consent is against the rules Brah.
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You underestimate the shear ability of Tokiomi to ignore things he does not want to acknowledge. Just saying.
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Satoshi has more healing than you can shake a stick at, I'd not even be surprised if he just restored whatever damage was (almost) done to his Circuits if Grim had been successful.
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You underestimate the shear ability of Tokiomi to ignore things he does not want to acknowledge. Just saying.
Well, perhaps, but I see no reason why he wouldn't want to acknowledge that he had daughters and grandchildren....
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Mike I feel you should rewatch Zero and marvel that Tokiomi basically goes "Ok, coolbeans" when Kariya tells him what's up with Sakura.
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Mike I feel you should rewatch Zero and marvel that Tokiomi basically goes "Ok, coolbeans" when Kariya tells him what's up with Sakura.
Kariya doesn't actually specify or give details, Brah. Kariya is also brain-damaged.
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Mike I feel you should rewatch Zero and marvel that Tokiomi basically goes "Ok, coolbeans" when Kariya tells him what's up with Sakura.
Kariya isn't exactly clear about what is going on and, plus, Kariya is an enemy in the Grail War who Tokiomi doesn't trust one bit.
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Well, perhaps, but I see no reason why he wouldn't want to acknowledge that he had daughters and grandchildren....
Tell me, would you want to acknowledge at the age of 18 that you will fuck up the daughter you gave to the Matou beyond compare because you wanted her to be able to achieve her true potential as a magus (in addition to actually killing her potential as an actual magus due to the 'training' zouken did)?
Also that your family forgot their goal of reaching the root?
Also that they deconstructed the grail? Something their family has been trying to get for ages?
Or that you died in the grail war, betrayed by your servant and student?
Really nothing he could learn from them would make him happy. Would you want to acknowledge their existence if you where Tokiomi?
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Not the point Brah. The point being that I am cooperative when asked.
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Perhaps not but, whilst Tokiomi is pretty good at covering his ears and going "la la la, I'm not listening!", I don't think he's quite that bad. Refusing to acknowledge that they are even his family would require some quite impressive feats of mental gymnastics.
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Refusing to acknowledge that they are even his family would require some quite impressive feats of mental gymnastics.
No it's not a feat. Even Rin could do this before Shirou told her that she was being kinda stupid. Tokiomi is the "archetypical magus", for the Root he'd shank every member of the Tohsaka in the throat if he had to.
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Ignoring and convincing yourself they are wrong is different from doing what you just said.
It is psychological denial. Everything he could learn from them is bad for him to learn, therefor he subconsciously denies it and ignores it.
Also Brah, it is 18 year old Tokiomi, he is not the perfect archetypical magus yet, though he is close. If he was older and had that mindset I would basically be responding the same way as you but how he will be is very slightly different to how he is now.
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While I would like to agree with you mike Knick is right. Nobody at 18 wants to face a disconcerting future.
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And why harass guy who has not done anything yet?
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^^^This, it would require more psychologically to accept his adult children from the future than for him not to.
In all likelyhood he would not even consider the story about Sakura, if ever, till he got home and the second kid Popped out, that might get him thinking.
EDIT; Holy crap when did that third command seal appear? Yay now I can join a grail war!
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Refusing to acknowledge that they are even his family would require some quite impressive feats of mental gymnastics.
No it's not a feat. Even Rin could do this before Shirou told her that she was being kinda stupid.
Rin failed utterly abysmally at doing it, she spent a large chunk of her time checking that Sakura was OK. And, plus, legally-speaking Sakura isn't her family. She was adopted out to another family. Rin doesn't need to do any mental gymnastics to deny it, she just has to look at the legal situation, and she failed miserably at even doing that.
Tokiomi is the "archetypical magus", for the Root he'd shank every member of the Tohsaka in the throat if he had to.
Honestly, that's not the impression I get of him at all. Whilst he's an idiot, he does seem to genuinely care for his children, and I don't see him willingly harming them.
Ignoring and convincing yourself they are wrong is different from doing what you just said.
It is psychological denial. Everything he could learn from them is bad for him to learn, therefor he subconsciously denies it and ignores it.
Also Brah, it is 18 year old Tokiomi, he is not the perfect archetypical magus yet, though he is close. If he was older and had that mindset I would basically be responding the same way as you but how he will be is very slightly different to how he is now.
Well, true, he's not going to like what they have to say, and he might well try to pretend it's not true. When the time comes to decide on giving Sakura away, though, I can't imagine that it wouldn't come to his mind, it's just too much of a co-incidence.
And why harass guy who has not done anything yet?
I'm not harrassing him, I'm just discussing the character. He can play them however he likes, I'm just saying that their interaction would be interesting.
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Mike, I meant Tokiomi, not Knick.
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Mike, the chances of him actually going back home and marring Aoi are slim after coming to the nexus city.
Hell the chances of him comming out of this as a whole person are slim considering all the other types of people that exist in the city. I might actually allow other characters to kill him if the situation arises.
Mike, I meant Tokiomi, not Knick.
Also this. 18 year old Tokiomi is completely innocent. He has done thing but live his life and accomplish his training so far.
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Mike, I meant Tokiomi, not Knick.
In order to stop him doing it in the future.
Mike, the chances of him actually going back home and marring Aoi are slim after coming to the nexus city.
Well, it depends. I expect my characters to go back home eventually, for example.
Hell the chances of him comming out of this as a whole person are slim considering all the other types of people that exist in the city. I might actually allow other characters to kill him if the situation arises.
Well, that's up to you, although I suspect that Rin and possibly even Sakura would try to stop him getting killed if they found him. He is their father, after all, even if a pretty crap one....
Also this. 18 year old Tokiomi is completely innocent. He has done thing but live his life and accomplish his training so far.
Sure, which is why Rider will only threaten him rather than killing him extremely slowly and painfully....
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In order to stop him doing it in the future.
inb4 Rider and others get arrested for harassing and threathening Tokiomi.
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In order to stop him doing it in the future.
inb4 Rider and others get arrested for harassing and threathening Tokiomi.
Arrested by who? There are far worse people in the Nexus doing far worse things....
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Hey, Rin has nothing but good memories of Tokiomi. She never actually found out what he was like and therfor has no reason to view him as a shit father other then giving Sakura up for adoption.
The other alternative would be to have her live a normal life where she could very well become a target for magical phenomenon due to her massive potential, but would lack any training and would therefor be screwed. If you did not know what Tokiomi was like (which none of them actually do) and you are at all familiar with magical society this seems completely reasonable.
For magus society that is probably not all that odd, not like he knew what Zouken was going to do to her after all.
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Hey, Rin has nothing but good memories of Tokiomi. She never actually found out what he was like and therfor has no reason to view him as a shit father other then giving Sakura up for adoption.
Well, yeah, but I would imagine "giving up Sakura for adoption" is a pretty big black mark, for HF Rin at least.
Plus, I never said Rin would hate him. I would expect her to defend him if he was under attack.
The other alternative would be to have her live a normal life where she could very well become a target for magical phenomenon due to her massive potential, but would lack any training and would therefor be screwed. If you did not know what Tokiomi was like (which none of them actually do) and you are at all familiar with magical society this seems completely reasonable.
And even then for magus society that is probably not all that odd, not like he knew what zouken was going to do.
Well, yes, but that doesn't mean they won't try to stop him doing it. Why would Rin just leave him to send Sakura to be tortured when she has the ability to prevent it? And, if he finds out what she went through and still wants to send her, then there is something seriously wrong with him as a person, and killing him would be pretty justified at that point.
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Well, yes, but that doesn't mean they won't try to stop him doing it. Why would Rin just leave him to send Sakura to be tortured when she has the ability to prevent it?
Cause of all ready massive timeline alterations making it so they will most likely never be born.
Really for HF Rin who is a student to the man who is the master of the magic "operation of parallel worlds" she does not really understand how parallel worlds work all that well.
If anything she would just try and get to know the Father she lost at a young age better, even if he is not exactly the man she knew as father (he lacks the fabulous goatee after all), but it is your character so whatever.
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Well, yes, but that doesn't mean they won't try to stop him doing it. Why would Rin just leave him to send Sakura to be tortured when she has the ability to prevent it?
Cause of all ready massive timeline alterations making it so they will most likely never be born.
Really for HF Rin who is a student to the man who is the master of the magic "operation of parallel worlds" she does not really understand how parallel worlds work all that well.
They might not be born, but some alternate versions may well be, and the same logic still applies. "Don't send your daughter to Zouken to be worm-raped"....
Plus, for all they know, the Tokiomi from their past might have gone to the Nexus. Hell, for all we know he could have, we never see anything in canon that shows he didn't. So, that logic doesn't really work because they don't actually know his past has changed.
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C'mon Mike just let him play his character the way he wants. The Reboot hasn't even happened yet - we can figure out all this interaction stuff later, when everyone actually meets each other.
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He can play the character however he likes, I was just discussing Tokiomi's personality, and how my characters would react to him.
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Arrested by who? There are far worse people in the Nexus doing far worse things....
Axe Cop.
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I suspect Axe Cop has better things to worry about....
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Axe Cop cant arrest royalty (Karna and Gil) so I doubt it.
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Why can't he arrest royalty? Being royalty only gives you immunity in your own kingdom, not anyone else's.
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Why can't he arrest royalty? Being royalty only gives you immunity in your own kingdom, not anyone else's.
Gil's kingdom is the entire world so yeah, hah.
And Karna was the right-hand man of the Emperor of the World.
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This isn't part of his world, though, and even if it was his rule ended thousands of years ago. Being a former ruler doesn't mean jack shit (in fact, 99% of the time it means they're more likely to want to kill you, in the case of a king anyway).
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Gil has left the throne empty for a little while. Now he's back.
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This isn't part of his world, though, and even if it was his rule ended thousands of years ago. Being a former ruler doesn't mean jack shit (in fact, 99% of the time it means they're more likely to want to kill you, in the case of a king anyway).
Then why should any status ever (including those of people like Axe Cop) be respected within the RP? After all, this isn't their world.
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This isn't part of his world, though, and even if it was his rule ended thousands of years ago. Being a former ruler doesn't mean jack shit (in fact, 99% of the time it means they're more likely to want to kill you, in the case of a king anyway).
Then why should any status ever (including those of people like Axe Cop) be respected within the RP? After all, this isn't their world.
It shouldn't, frankly. But, ultimately, you can say the same about any authority. Authority can only be imposed by force (direct or indirect) or because people believe it exists and willingly choose to follow it. Axe Cop's "authority" as a police officer works because a) he's really powerful and b) he is basically enforcing the law of the Nexus, and the police force support him in that. In the case of our characters, it is almost entirely a)....
Sure, Karna or Gil aren't going to respect his authority, but nor will Rider. It's just a matter of him choosing to enforce it, and there is nothing in the law of the Nexus that says Gil or Karna are immune to the law, so I would expect him to enforce the law on them like he would on everyone else.
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Mike I didn't ask for a near-rant about your anarchist views, I asked a single-sentence question.
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Mike I didn't ask for a near-rant about your anarchist views, I asked a single-sentence question.
Yes, but the only answer I can give is that one. The fact is that there is no such thing as "legitimate authority", especially in an RP like this, where the rule of law is weak at best and we are all playing characters who the normal legal processes simply cannot touch. Axe Cop literally just said "I'm here and I'm a Cop, so I'm taking over the police force", and no-one bothered to argue because he's powerful enough to do it.
There is no other answer I can give because, frankly, you are right, not in terms of Gil or Karna being immune, but in terms of Axe Cop having absolutely zero actual authority as a police officer (unless someone officially appointed him as a Nexus police officer behind the scenes, anyway). But, no-one really cares about that because he's too damn useful, and too powerful to stop. He just enforces the law of the Nexus because he wants to.
The fact is that authority has always existed through force. Karna didn't end up with power because he had legitimacy, he ended up with power because he defeated and often killed anyone who said he didn't.
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All I will say is that I consider anarchism more deluded ideology than even communism.
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All I will say is that I consider anarchism more deluded ideology than even communism.
Whether or not you support anarchism as a practical system, I am still right. Unless you can give an actual justification of why the authority of someone like Gil or Karna (who was never elected and has no support whatsoever from the population of the Nexus) would be legitimate, then you have not got a leg to stand on.
There is, perhaps, an argument for whether authority is necessary, but I don't think you can really justify saying that any authority is fundamentally legitimate even when taken outside the context of the society they have authority in.
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Karna didn't end up with power because he had legitimacy, he ended up with power because he defeated and often killed anyone who said he didn't.
Actually Karna obtained the title of King of Anga through being given the title by Duryodhana, which is as legitimate as you'd get at the time. You'd be correct in that he conquered the world for Duryodhana by force, however.
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^^^This, it would require more psychologically to accept his adult children from the future than for him not to.
In all likelyhood he would not even consider the story about Sakura, if ever, till he got home and the second kid Popped out, that might get him thinking.
EDIT; Holy crap when did that third command seal appear? Yay now I can join a grail war!
Technically Seals 7 through 9 but yeah I get the point.
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Karna didn't end up with power because he had legitimacy, he ended up with power because he defeated and often killed anyone who said he didn't.
Actually Karna obtained the title of King of Anga through being given the title by Duryodhana, which is as legitimate as you'd get at the time. You'd be correct in that he conquered the world for Duryodhana by force, however.
Well, yeah, that's what I mean.
And, how did Duryodhana get to be King...?
Even if you say something along the lines of "from God" (which is the standard way of legitimising authority), that doesn't work too well when you're talking of a world that has a large number of incompatible mythologies.
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And, how did Duryodhana get the title...?
Even if you say something along the lines of "from God", that doesn't work too well when you're talking of a world that has a large number of incompatible mythologies.
Duryodhana is the eldest prince of the Kaurava line, he was technically the rightful ruler of India. He was within his rights.
If you want a comparison, it's basically the Queen of England making someone a Duke.
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And, how did Duryodhana get the title...?
Even if you say something along the lines of "from God", that doesn't work too well when you're talking of a world that has a large number of incompatible mythologies.
Duryodhana is the eldest prince of the Kaurava line, he was technically the rightful ruler of India. He was within his rights.
Well, yes, but only in so far as you consider his rule legitimate, and I can't see any fundamental reason (aside from "because I have the biggest stick") why it should be.
If you want a comparison, it's basically the Queen of England making someone a Duke.
Sure, but the Queen doesn't really have any fundamental legitimacy either. She rules because one of her distant ancestors conquered the country 950 years ago and she is the one of his many descendants that happened to get picked as the heir based on the rules he made up. She is only a "legitimate" ruler because no-one really wants to overthrow her.
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Actually Parliment made them in 1701. And William the Conquer's direct line is dead, I think.
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Well, yes, but only in so far as you consider his rule legitimate, and I can't see any fundamental reason (aside from "because I have the biggest stick") why it should be.
This seems to be the best reason. I think that having biggest stick is a pretty convincing reason to have authority.
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Actually Parliment made them in 1701.
Well, Parliament did change the rules slightly, yes. Even so, though, that Parliament was hardly representative of the people as a whole (only a few percent could vote), and Parliament's power was given to it by the king in the first place (and that came about as a result of several wars where the monarch lost), so even Parliament formally-speaking only gets legitimacy because the monarch says it has legitimacy.
And William the Conquer's direct line is dead, I think.
Well, his direct male line certainly is, but I think that the current monarch can be directly traced back to him through female descendants.
Well, yes, but only in so far as you consider his rule legitimate, and I can't see any fundamental reason (aside from "because I have the biggest stick") why it should be.
This seems to be the best reason. I think that having biggest stick is a pretty convincing reason to have authority.
Sure, but that's basically what I was arguing in the first place. Axe Cop can say "I'm a Cop" because he's strong enough to back it up, and he considers it his duty to enforce the law of the land whether or not he is officially recognised as a police officer.
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Well, yes, but only in so far as you consider his rule legitimate, and I can't see any fundamental reason (aside from "because I have the biggest stick") why it should be.
This seems to be the best reason. I think that having biggest stick is a pretty convincing reason to have authority.
That it is. It's why the US is the big dog on the world stage. Gunboat diplomacy is still quite effective, especially when you've got the most boats.
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So we should not put up new charater sheets till the new rules are announced right?
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Apparently not. I have already prepared my new one and fixed the only of my old ones that need fixing.
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Just because someone rules with the reason "I have the biggest stick" doesn't automatically make their rule a tyranny. Besides if the ruler doesn't have the biggest stick there will be someone who comes along with that stick and takes over. Sometimes you need to acquire a big stick to preemptively stop any other stick wielders from coming at you regardless of the legitamacy of your rule.
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Basically what Gray is saying. Mike is literally approaching this like obtaining power automatically makes you a monstrous tyrant and an illegitimate ruler.
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Just because someone rules with the reason "I have the biggest stick" doesn't automatically make their rule a tyranny. Besides if the ruler doesn't have the biggest stick there will be someone who comes along with that stick and takes over. Sometimes you need to acquire a big stick to preemptively stop any other stick wielders from coming at you regardless of the legitamacy of your rule.
No, it doesn't, but nor does it make your rule legitimate.
Basically what Gray is saying. Mike is literally approaching this like obtaining power automatically makes you a monstrous tyrant and an illegitimate ruler.
No, I'm not. I never said that at all. I just said that, ultimately, there isn't really such a thing as "legitimate authority", it's just whatever you can enforce (either by persuasion or by owning the biggest stick). It doesn't make you a tyrant, and it doesn't make your rule any less legitimate than anyone else's, because all power comes from what you can enforce, ultimately.
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I have heard a lot about skype talk for the RP, is their a skype group or something?
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No. Just a Skype group that Elf is in.
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I have heard a lot about skype talk for the RP, is their a skype group or something?
Me, Umbra, Kat and 30-ish others have a Skype Group for members of BL.
if you're interested, shoot me a friend request @ christemo1 on skype.
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So we should not put up new charater sheets till the new rules are announced right?
That would be the best bet. Yes.
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Should we be expecting the new rules today or tomorrow Elf?
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Should we be expecting the new rules today or tomorrow Elf?
Sometime in the near future.
I've got a buttload of overtime at work this week. I'll do my best to have them up as soon as possible.
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PM'd you again elf, honestly have no idea about some of that.
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I should probably rewrite Ellen soonish, and maybe expand on JoJo (in backstory terms).
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I'm waiting on the rules to be handed out. I'll expand Avdol change his name a bit make him look like my elegy of giants sheet a little more.
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Same. I have fleshed out my Karna and La Folia sheets considerably.
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I just copy and paste the basic template and work my way up from there ussually.
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My sheets are basically done, just got to get the rules to and make some adjustments to any changes.
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I'll be using the same sheets, so I have nothing to worry about.
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I have a couple of characters I am thinking about bringing but I'm gonna wait for the rules and such to come out before I actually announce anything. Also I'm curious as to what Bloble and myself are going to do now.
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I need to finish my sheet for Aoi (Sakura and Shirou's daughter) so I can use her in the remake. Other than that I think I should be OK.
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I shiver with anticipation for bishie Zouken, Knick!
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Damn it Kat, It was going to be a surprise.
I told ya that in confidence.
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I don't recall that I was supposed to keep it secret, sorry.
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I thought someone else was intending to play him....
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Think it was just an idea they where mentioning.
If it is an issue I will work it out with them but I have already written up the sheet.
Also you are going to love what I did with Sakura, no worm pit and full fledged Heir to the Matou secrets.
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That may have been Kat, but s/he was probably joking.
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I will leave bishie Zouken in Knick's hands.
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Think it was just an idea they where mentioning.
If it is an issue I will work it out with them but I have already written up the sheet.
Well, you can both play him if necessary, multiple versions of a character are allowed.
Also you are going to love what I did with Sakura, no worm pit and full fledged Heir to the Matou secrets.
Hmm, so he's managed to survive for much longer without using the worms? And with his morality still somewhat intact?
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The Director of Clock Tower has avoided soul rot for 2000 years.
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Never really had a strong moral compass. Reason why Zel determined the Makari where "fundamentally evil". He has standards, like "no genocide", and "perhaps I should not fuck up the greatest heir the Makari will ever get, might be counter productive.". Would probably feed his family to a wood chipper if it meant Justeaze back though, so take it with a grain of salt.
And ya found another way, which is arguably worse depending on who you ask. More effective at any rate.
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Morality is subjective, really.
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The Director of Clock Tower has avoided soul rot for 2000 years.
He's also very much implied to not be entirely human.
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Never really had a strong moral compass. Reason why Zel determined the Makari where "fundamentally evil". He has standards, like "no genocide", and "perhaps I should not fuck up the greatest heir the Makari will ever get, might be counter productive.". Would probably feed his family to a wood chipper if it meant Justeaze back though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Well, he had some standards, at least. Not necessarily many, but enough to not throw a young child into a pit of penis worms and treat her like a tool....
Morality is subjective, really.
Sure, but Zouken pretty obviously lacks anything that could remotely be called "morality" in canon.
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Ya not a worm pit. I mean worms have a role, neccessary for crest transfer.
However otherthing happened with Sakura that are a result of Zouken's activity, training and raising.
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Wrong, Mike. He was pretty idealistic before the soul rot.
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Wrong, Mike. He was pretty idealistic before the soul rot.
Hey, I'm not the one who said he had no morality....
Honestly, I don't know what bishie Zouken was really like, we don't know an awful lot about him.
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Wrong, Mike. He was pretty idealistic before the soul rot.
This. I mean he wanted to wish for a fucking Utopia.
My Zouken has lost that idealism, and is much more cynical and jaded then super young Zouken. But still not as bad a soul rot Zouken.
But Sakura though. Zouken really made her a fantastic magus. Mindset and all.
Poor Shirou.
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New Cross Effects stuff should be up by Friday!
Stay tuned.
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Yay!
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Prepare your beta anuses for the amount of alphaness that is to invade CE 2.0
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But Sakura though. Zouken really made her a fantastic magus. Mindset and all.
Poor Shirou.
Ah, OK, I see....
Then I assume he's going to find my Sakura (who is about as far from a Magus mindset as you can get) really weird, I assume....
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Weird? Maybe. Pathetic? Probably. Bishie Zouken's Sakura probably wrecks shit. Post HF Sakura has a lot of prana but lacks skill compared to one trained to be that actual heir. Although he would probably ask think old Zouken is pathetic too.
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Weird? Maybe. Pathetic? Probably. Bishie Zouken's Sakura probably wrecks shit. Post HF Sakura has a lot of prana but lacks skill compared to one trained to be that actual heir. Although he would probably ask think old Zouken is pathetic too.
Well, Sakura also has her very own heroic spirit who obeys (mostly...) and protects her entirely of her own free will, that has to count as a somewhat impressive feat (particularly since he doesn't know how she got the power to support Rider).
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Medusa technically isnt a Heroic Spirit, she's an Anti-Hero. Also no, she doesn't have that, she has a Servant. Anyone who had their very own Heroic Spirit could conquer the world.
Also it's really not Sakura's own doing that she has it. Without Zouken setting everything up and finding her a catalyst, she would never summon Medusa.
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Medusa technically isnt a Heroic Spirit, she's an Anti-Hero. Also no, she doesn't have that, she has a Servant. Anyone who had their very own Heroic Spirit could conquer the world.
Well, OK, but it's still pretty impressive to get someone who could crush you like an ant to devote their existence to protecting you (and without even trying, in Sakura's case)....
Also it's really not Sakura's own doing that she has it.
The original summoning, yes, but Rider remaining for the subsequent 30 years is entirely Sakura's doing. Not only does Rider remain willingly, but Sakura has the prana to supply her.
Without Zouken setting everything up and finding her a catalyst, she would never summon Medusa.
Only because of a lack of desire. Sakura was fully capable of summoning a servant, she just had no interest in it. And, Rin never found a catalyst either (at least not intentionally), so....
Plus, Zouken doesn't know any of this. All he would know is that Sakura is there and has a servant she can support after the war.
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Well, Sakura also has her very own heroic spirit who obeys (mostly...) and protects her entirely of her own free will, that has to count as a somewhat impressive feat (particularly since he doesn't know how she got the power to support Rider).
Just tell him she reproduced a bastard version of the Third in the Grail War and he will ask to become her disciple. Especially considering how he feels towards the user of the Third.
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I think it's probably better not to give him ideas....
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Medusa isn't particularly more loyal than anyone else. She just went "This chick is kinda like me, better not let her become a world-eating super monster."
And even Ryuunosuke can summon a Servant so there's nothing to be excited about there.
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Medusa isn't particularly more loyal than anyone else. She just went "This chick is kinda like me, better not let her become a world-eating super monster."
I don't think so somehow. If her only worry was preventing Sakura becoming a monster, then why did she protect Sakura even as she became one, and then fight to save rather than to kill her? Further, in HA she says something along the lines of "I would happily kill the whole city to save Sakura". That is pretty loyal....
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I don't think so somehow. If her only worry was preventing Sakura becoming a monster, then why did she protect Sakura even as she became one, and then fight to save rather than to kill her? Further, in HA she says something along the lines of "I would happily kill the whole city to save Sakura". That is pretty loyal....
No that's not loyal, that's sociopathic.
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I'd say it's sociopathic loyalty, really.
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Not much better, mind you.
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Doing it for yourself is sociopathic, doing it for someone else is being extremely protective of that person (and also arguably sociopathic, but less clearly so).
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Uh no, killing an entire city for someone else is not "arguably sociopathic", it's something I'd give the death penalty for.
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Right, so, then, the guy who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima should be executed? Since he killed an entire city of innocent people to at best protect other people....
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Someone being ordered to drop a weapon on something to kill a shit load of people, but arguably save more in the long run and someone saying they'd deliberately slaughter an entire city's population for the sake of a single person are completely different things Mike. The first is an order, and it arguably had a net gain in lives (since the invasion of mainland Japan would've had hundreds of thousands, if not millions of casualties), the second is psychopathy.
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Sorry, but the number of people you save doesn't change the basic principle. If it's OK to kill innocent people at all, then you cannot just call anyone who does so a "psychopath" just because they killed more than they saved. Particularly since I suspect that the number of people killed in WW2 was not the minimum possible number (we could have got fewer total deaths by attacking civilians less heavily and being kinder with enemy soldiers, even if we would have lost more of our own troops that way).
And, even if they guy who dropped the bomb can be argued to be immune on the basis of his orders (which I think is bullshit anyway), the guy who ordered it certainly cannot be. They also deliberately slaughtered the entire population of a city (the fact that they did not personally perform the killing is irrelevant, especially if you're arguing that the person who did does not share any blame), and they did it to save people they cared about more, just like Rider.
I'm not saying what Rider does is necessarily right, but protecting some people over others and killing some people to protect others does not make you a psychopath, no matter what the ratio.
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Sorry, but the number of people you save doesn't change the basic principle. If it's OK to kill innocent people at all, then you cannot just call anyone who does so a "psychopath" just because they killed more than they saved. Particularly since I suspect that the number of people killed in WW2 was not the minimum possible number (we could have got fewer total deaths by attacking civilians less heavily and being kinder with enemy soldiers, even if we would have lost more of our own troops that way).
And, even if they guy who dropped the bomb can be argued to be immune on the basis of his orders (which I think is bullshit anyway), the guy who ordered it certainly cannot be. They also deliberately slaughtered the entire population of a city (the fact that they did not personally perform the killing is irrelevant, especially if you're arguing that the person who did does not share any blame), and they did it to save people they cared about more, just like Rider.
I'm not saying what Rider does is necessarily right, but protecting some people over others and killing some people to protect others does not make you a psychopath, no matter what the ratio.
...I don't think you get just how fucking bloody an invasion of Japan would have been. At all. Like, even a little.
Stalingrad would have been a fucking cakewalk. They're still handing out purple hearts minted in anticipation of the invasion of Japan. The US estimated in excess of 4 or 5 million dead.
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Net gain of lives is specifically what matters in that situation. How many people were saved by the surrender that came after the bombs were dropped? Millions. How many people are *maybe* saved by Rider murdering all of Fuyuki for Sakura's sake? 1 if you're lucky.
In such high numbers, humans are a statistic. If you think otherwise you're a blatant moralfag.
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...I don't think you get just how fucking bloody an invasion of Japan would have been. At all. Like, even a little.
You're missing my point. Just because you hold to a strictly utilitarian view of the world, it doesn't mean anyone who does not is a psychopath.
Stalingrad would have been a fucking cakewalk. They're still handing out purple hearts minted in anticipation of the invasion of Japan. The US estimated in excess of 4 or 5 million dead.
Assuming they couldn't get Japan to surrender beforehand, which is much less clear than you seem to make out. Not to mention the second bomb, which was even less necessary than the first.
Further, I wasn't referring solely to that particular instance. I was referring to the war as a whole. At no point did the number of foreign soldiers or civilians killed factor into the calculation of what to do (aside from in attempts to increase the number). They would happily have obliterated the entirety of Japan to save millions of Americans.
Net gain of lives is specifically what matters in that situation. How many people were saved by the surrender that came after the bombs were dropped? Millions. How many people are *maybe* saved by Rider murdering all of Fuyuki for Sakura's sake? 1 if you're lucky.
Nope, sorry, but not everyone is utilitarian (and nor, frankly, was the US in that situation, the deaths of the Japanese were considered irrelevant, all that they were bothered about was winning the war with the lowest possible number of US casualties). The deciding factor about the morality of an action is not simply whether it saves more than it kills.
In such high numbers, humans are a statistic. If you think otherwise you're a blatant moralfag.
Perhaps, but in Rider's case we are not talking about such high numbers, so that logic does not apply any more.
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In such high numbers, humans are a statistic. If you think otherwise you're a blatant moralfag.
More like 'fucking moron' than moral fag. It's horrible either way morally, but exchanging 2 cities for a horrifically high body count (and one that would have been payed really only by Americans because the brits were being little bitches about the pacific theater) is a far far more stomachable thing than Rider slaughtering an entire town for a single person.
EDIT: I'm not strictly utalitarian, but in the case of the atomic bombs, it was justified. No question about it. And why it was done was because the Japanese WOULDN'T have surrendered. I don't think you get this Mike. Even after both bombs were dropped, the military still didn't want to give up, and actually tried to coup the Emperor who wanted to throw in the towel.
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In such high numbers, humans are a statistic. If you think otherwise you're a blatant moralfag.
More like 'fucking moron' than moral fag. It's horrible either way morally, but exchanging 2 cities for a horrifically high body count (and one that would have been payed really only by Americans because the brits were being little bitches about the pacific theater) is a far far more stomachable thing than Rider slaughtering an entire town for a single person.
Yes, it is (although I think the US deliberately avoided pushing too hard for a surrender so it could scare the Soviets), but that is a matter of scale rather than fundamental principle.
Yes, killing an entire city to save one person is something I would consider to be wrong, whereas the converse is less obviously so, but doing so does not make you a psychopath. It just means you value the lives of those you care for more highly than others. Which everyone does to some extent, Rider just takes it to an extreme.
EDIT: I'm not strictly utalitarian, but in the case of the atomic bombs, it was justified. No question about it. And why it was done was because the Japanese WOULDN'T have surrendered. I don't think you get this Mike. Even after both bombs were dropped, the military still didn't want to give up, and actually tried to coup the Emperor who wanted to throw in the towel.
I've read plenty of things that strongly imply otherwise. The Japanese were negotiating a surrender some time before the bombs were dropped, and the biggest sticking point was the US insistence on unconditional surrender without any guarantees about the Emperor, which ended up not happening anyway.
The first atomic bomb can be argued, perhaps, but the second really was not needed. Further, the US could easily have used a demonstration (or even a smaller city) rather than seeking out a large city to bomb. They clearly intended to maximise the damage.
And, sure, some of the military didn't want to give up even after the atomic bombs, but they were evidentially not that strong, since they failed.
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Mike, the Japanese would've literally never surrendered without the bomb drops.
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Mike, the Japanese would've literally never surrendered without the bomb drops.
Again, that is what the US likes to say (and, most likely, teaches kids in school), for obvious reasons, but I've read plenty of things that strongly imply otherwise. I can't prove it, but I sure as hell don't think you can prove your viewpoint either, because we don't truly know what was going through everyone's minds.
And, regardless, my point still stands. The US genuinely did not care one bit about how many Japanese they killed (if anything, they saw it as a positive). At no point have any of you even attempted to argue with that assertion. Even if the atomic bombs were genuinely justified from a utilitarian viewpoint, the intention behind it was not utilitarian, it was simply to win the war with the fewest US casualties.
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I've read plenty of things that strongly imply otherwise. The Japanese were negotiating a surrender some time before the bombs were dropped, and the biggest sticking point was the US insistence on unconditional surrender without any guarantees about the Emperor, which ended up not happening anyway.
The first atomic bomb can be argued, perhaps, but the second really was not needed. Further, the US could easily have used a demonstration (or even a smaller city) rather than seeking out a large city to bomb. They clearly intended to maximise the damage.
And, sure, some of the military didn't want to give up even after the atomic bombs, but they were evidentially not that strong, since they failed.
Thing is, Unconditional surrender was the only thing the allies would have accepted due to the fact that Japan did the surprise attack on pearl harbor, and at this point the US was not going to fucking give Japan anything in a peace deal - especially after they had already dismantled the entirety of Japan's pacific empire, something I'm pretty sure the Japanese wanted to keep.
And all in all they DID choose military targets. Both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were major manufacturing centers for war materiel.
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Thing is, Unconditional surrender was the only thing the allies would have accepted due to the fact that Japan did the surprise attack on pearl harbor, and at this point the US was not going to fucking give Japan anything in a peace deal - especially after they had already dismantled the entirety of Japan's pacific empire, something I'm pretty sure the Japanese wanted to keep.
Except that they eventually did. The peace deal they signed allowed Japan to keep the Imperial system (which was the main sticking point). So, no, that logic is utterly without basis.
Further, if you're arguing on a utilitarian perspective, then by far the best outcome would have been to accept a Japanese surrender on lesser terms rather than kill 200,000 people to obtain an unconditional one. Again, therefore, your logic falls apart if you're arguing on the basis of saving lives. There was a better outcome which they chose not to take because they valued unconditional surrender over a few-hundred-thousand Japanese people's lives.
And all in all they DID choose military targets. Both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were major manufacturing centers for war materiel.
Well, somewhat, but the intention was not to damage Japan's military capacity, it was to kill people.
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I'd love to hear your sources on that first one Mike, because they sound like they're on crack. I am not from the US and I regard the US education system as complete garbage, but they are not wrong in saying that surrender would've never happened without the nukes.
And even with your anti-US boner showing in your second argument, the bomb drops saved just as many Japanese as it did US soldiers.
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I'd love to hear your sources on that first one Mike, because they sound like they're on crack.
I'd have to find it.
I am not from the US and I regard the US education system as complete garbage, but they are not wrong in saying that surrender would've never happened without the nukes.
Unconditional surrender probably wouldn't have, no, but I think Japan was willing to surrender provided the Emperor was allowed to remain in his position, which is what the US eventually allowed anyway. The insistence on unconditional surrender was solely to prove a point, it served no purpose other than that.
And even with your anti-US boner showing in your second argument, the bomb drops saved just as many Japanese as it did US soldiers.
Yes, possibly it did, but that sure as hell was not part of the thinking behind doing it. If you do something immoral it is still immoral even if it co-incidentally has a good outcome.
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Except that they eventually did. The peace deal they signed allowed Japan to keep the Imperial system (which was the main sticking point). So, no, that logic is utterly without basis.
And IIRC, that was about the only condition Japan got. They wanted far, FAR more. Like, a status quo and Manchuria.
For that matter, the Japanese rarely, if ever, surrendered during the entire Pacific Theater - one I'll note that the Brits fucking left the American's to their own devices in with little more than a shrug - and fought to the death on every single piece of fucking dirt, rock, and trees that they decided to take. Saying they would have surrendered without getting concessions of land without the US showing off that they could just wipe them from the map is bullshit and you know it.
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If you do something immoral it is still immoral even if it co-incidentally has a good outcome.
So if you believe this is the case about things, why is Rider murdering all of Fuyuki for the sake of a single person (who wouldn't approve nor be saved by it) only "arguably" sociopathic? I know you think with your dick and everything, but please, see it from our perspective.
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I just want to say that if someone melted a city full of people for one person, I'd want that person to be behind bars for life. Or given the death penalty.
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Proper Magus Sakura...
No matter how I look at it for some reason I end up with Iris Heart as a mental image, and I don't know why.
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Again, that is what the US likes to say (and, most likely, teaches kids in school), for obvious reasons, but I've read plenty of things that strongly imply otherwise. I can't prove it, but I sure as hell don't think you can prove your viewpoint either, because we don't truly know what was going through everyone's minds.
Dude, one of the reasons the Americans dropped those couple of atom bombs is to project power against the Soviet Union. If they didn't, the Soviet would have otherwise invaded Japan if ever they came to aid China. The picture of a 1950s Japan under Soviet rule isn't so pretty, isn't it?
And, regardless, my point still stands. The US genuinely did not care one bit about how many Japanese they killed (if anything, they saw it as a positive).
World War 2 is a total war. Civilian structures are seen not just as a way to demoralize the enemy, but to cut off it's economic capabilities. It's no news that nobody cares how many civilians would be killed in this case. In they would have cared right from the start, the US shouldn't have firebombed Kobe and other cities like it. Japan also didn't care when they bombed Manila in their invasion of the Philippines, so not caring civilian deaths should not be a shock in a total war. Carl von Clausewitz said that, since the objective of war is to disarm or overthrow the enemy to make him bend to your will, you must apply vigorous force against the enemy. He also said that applying moderation in war is an absurdity.
At no point have any of you even attempted to argue with that assertion. Even if the atomic bombs were genuinely justified from a utilitarian viewpoint, the intention behind it was not utilitarian, it was simply to win the war with the fewest US casualties.
Yeah, so what's the problem with that? Sun Tzu said that if you really know the evils of war, end it quickly as possible. I mean, what's wrong with reducing casualties with a weapon that would intently shock the enemy?
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If you do something immoral it is still immoral even if it co-incidentally has a good outcome.
So if you believe this is the case about things, why is Rider murdering all of Fuyuki for the sake of a single person (who wouldn't approve nor be saved by it) only "arguably" sociopathic? I know you think with your dick and everything, but please, see it from our perspective.
Because that is not what "sociopathic" means. It's not right, no, but wanting to protect someone you care about does not make you a sociopath, whatever lengths you go to in order to do so.
Rider is not a "bad" person, as such, she just has very different morals from modern people. She protects those she cares for no matter what, but she won't kill people just for the fun of it.
Again, that is what the US likes to say (and, most likely, teaches kids in school), for obvious reasons, but I've read plenty of things that strongly imply otherwise. I can't prove it, but I sure as hell don't think you can prove your viewpoint either, because we don't truly know what was going through everyone's minds.
Dude, one of the reasons the Americans dropped those couple of atom bombs is to project power against the Soviet Union. If they didn't, the Soviet would have otherwise invaded Japan if ever they came to aid China. The picture of a 1950s Japan under Soviet rule isn't so pretty, isn't it?
I think that the people who died or ended up horribly ill in Hiroshima would certainly have preferred that outcome. And, I don't think it had anything to do with protecting Japan from the Soviets in any case, the US just wanted to prove to the Soviets that they could out-do them.
And, regardless, my point still stands. The US genuinely did not care one bit about how many Japanese they killed (if anything, they saw it as a positive).
World War 2 is a total war. Civilian structures are seen not just as a way to demoralize the enemy, but to cut off it's economic capabilities. It's no news that nobody cares how many civilians would be killed in this case. In they would have cared right from the start, the US shouldn't have firebombed Kobe and other cities like it. Japan also didn't care when they bombed Manila in their invasion of the Philippines, so not caring civilian deaths should be a shock in a total war. Carl von Clausewitz said that, since the objective of war is to disarm or overthrow the enemy to make him bend to your will, you must apply vigorous force against the enemy. He also said that applying moderation in war is an absurdity.
Yeah, that's exactly the point I was making. No-one in WW2 gave a crap about enemy lives.
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Mike I know you want to enslave and fuck Sakura and Rider in their bungholes all day long but at least apply your own sense of morality to them. Killing an entire city's worth of people to "protect" someone (who doesnt need it, wouldn't gain from the "protecting" and wouldn't approve of it either) is something that is beyond all sense of "moral". It's sick.
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Mike I know you want to enslave and fuck Sakura and Rider in their bungholes all day long
No, I do not (the first part, certainly).
but at least apply your own sense of morality to them.
I am. My morality is not utilitarian.
Killing an entire city's worth of people to "protect" someone (who doesnt need it, wouldn't gain from the "protecting" and wouldn't approve of it either) is something that is beyond all sense of "moral". It's sick.
It is wrong, yes, I would absolutely agree with that. But, I don't think it as bad as killing people for fun or for your own selfish gain, and nor do I think that it is magically OK to kill millions of civilians because they are the "enemy", yet you guys seem to be arguing that it is.
If Rider attempted to kill the entire city to save Sakura, I would attempt to stop her doing so. But, I don't consider her evil or worthy of death just because she wants to protect Sakura (who, as you say, would prevent it anyway). Particularly given how long ago she lived, and how different morals were then.
Further, killing the entire city to protect Sakura is not as bad as wiping out a large chunk of it because you're having a fun battle. At least Rider has an laudible intention, even if her means are extreme.
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It is wrong, yes, I would absolutely agree with that. But, I don't think it as bad as killing people for fun or for your own selfish gain, and nor do I think that it is magically OK to kill millions of civilians because they are the "enemy", yet you guys seem to be arguing that it is.
Please do send me a sample of whatever drugs you're on, it seems like fun.
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I think that the people who died or ended up horribly ill in Hiroshima would certainly have preferred that outcome.
Wow, so you rather die a slow death under an ineffectual and dictatorial Communist state over death from radiation. I mean, radiation only affects you if you were in Hiroshima or Nagasaki and, even then, not all who were exposed to the bomb's radiation died slow deaths. But under Soviet rule, it might be that simply expressing an opinion against the ruling regime can get you punished to the gulags and die a slow death, no matter where you are.
Live on your knees than die on your feet, huh?
And, I don't think it had anything to do with protecting Japan from the Soviets in any case, the US just wanted to prove to the Soviets that they could out-do them.
And even if so, do you think the Soviet will try to meddle with Japan if they know that the US has those capabilities and they just practically owned Japan?
Yeah, that's exactly the point I was making. No-one in WW2 gave a crap about enemy lives.
Yes, so what's the problem with that? The goal was to stop Nazi Germany from spiraling out of control as well as to stop the Empire of Japan from continuing to spiral out of control. Would you rather let these two forces rule over a large territory?
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It is wrong, yes, I would absolutely agree with that. But, I don't think it as bad as killing people for fun or for your own selfish gain, and nor do I think that it is magically OK to kill millions of civilians because they are the "enemy", yet you guys seem to be arguing that it is.
Man, nobody is saying that it is okay. We're saying that it is inevitable and sometimes even necessary if it makes the enemy back down. And you're saying it as if people just chose their enemies because of absolutely nothing. Again, General von Clausewitz say that war, obviously, isn't an isolated act, that people get enemies because of reasons, man. And it usually either of instinctive hostility or hostile intentions.
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Summoning and having a servant is not at all impressive to Zouken.
He made that system, if he has the energy he can fucking do it himself. It would be a Tuesday to him.
But that might be off the current topic, but was something Mike brought up sooner.
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Possessing one outside the war is still pretty impressive, as is getting one to actually show the levels of loyalty Rider shows (which, as others have pointed out, is really extreme).
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Not impressive really.
It just means you have ample energy.
And Zouken could synthesize loyalty with that using a combination of command seals and magical contracts, would be hard and would probably never do it (cause really it is pointless to him, why do you need loyalty from a weapon, like a gun or sword, as long as you can properly wield them), but possible.
How do you think he made Sakura into a perfect magus mentally as well as insuring her loyalty. Trust me it was not easy. Her mind was surprisingly resilient to change.
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Wow, so he literally mind-controlled her into obedience?
He is really quite an asshole....
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Not mind control.
He just, what word am I looking for, applied to right leverage to alter the fundamental ways she thinks a bit. The lotalty thing was more like "you will not betray me or the Matou." Can't have his heir going rebel for a stupid reason after all.
I mean normal Sakura would make a shit heir, not the right attitude. He needed to fix that to ensure he could win the Grail war and prevent AMs release as well as ensure the Matou would live on at the same time.
Also, never said he was a "nice" person. He just not a monster.
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It says something when Knick's Zouken is probably still the best grandparent the Nasuverse has ever seen.
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Bishi Zouken is best grandpa.
Also if Sakura had broken the loyalty contract and betrayed them she would have bascily lost the ability to act independently. Then Zouken would manipulate her into producing a child with the first suitable man she could seduce. Hopefully leading to the birth of a suitable heir he can raise since childhood and mold them how he sees fit.
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Not mind control.
He just, what word am I looking for, applied to right leverage to alter the fundamental ways she thinks a bit. The lotalty thing was more like "you will not betray me or the Matou." Can't have his heir going rebel for a stupid reason after all.
Sakura was never meant to be heir, only a womb for the next Matou generation. He experimented on her and made her a fake Lesser Grail. Nobody would risk that with the next in line.
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It says something when Knick's Zouken is probably still the best grandparent the Nasuverse has ever seen.
What about Raiga?
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>A yandere melting a city full of innocents during a peacetime for a waifu -> Good
>Allies trying to desperately end WW2 without killing tens of millions people more -> EVIL
That's basically the stance of you-know-who.
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Daiki, this is an AU Zouken with a different thought process. He basically intended the same think Tokiomi did when he let Zouken have Sakura.
And if ya see my other post it goes into his fail safes he had planned just in case something went wrong.
I have been thinking about this back story for a while now. Originally it had a lot of holes but I think I have generally patched them up.
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Not mind control.
He just, what word am I looking for, applied to right leverage to alter the fundamental ways she thinks a bit. The lotalty thing was more like "you will not betray me or the Matou." Can't have his heir going rebel for a stupid reason after all.
I mean normal Sakura would make a shit heir, not the right attitude. He needed to fix that to ensure he could win the Grail war and prevent AMs release as well as ensure the Matou would live on at the same time.
What do you mean by "the right leverage"?
Also, never said he was a "nice" person. He just not a monster.
Honestly, that is pretty monstrous....
It says something when Knick's Zouken is probably still the best grandparent the Nasuverse has ever seen.
I dunno, I think Taiga's grandfather is better. He might be Yakuza, but Shirou hasn't killed him yet, so he can't be that bad, and Taiga is not bad-off at all.
Bishi Zouken is best grandpa.
Also if Sakura had broken the loyalty contract and betrayed them she would have bascily lost the ability to act independently. Then Zouken would manipulate her into producing a child with the first suitable man she could seduce. Hopefully leading to the birth of a suitable heir he can raise since childhood and mold them how he sees fit.
Yeah, that is downright evil. She is essentially a slave. Not as badly-treated as in canon, but still a slave.
Sakura was never meant to be heir, only a womb for the next Matou generation. He experimented on her and made her a fake Lesser Grail. Nobody would risk that with the next in line.
Normal Sakura, no, but this Zouken is different.
>A yandere melting a city full of innocents during a peacetime for a waifu -> Good
>Allies trying to desperately end WW2 without killing tens of millions people more -> EVIL
That's basically the stance of you-know-who.
Please point out where I called Rider "good". I think that, in a D&D sense, she is probably Chaotic Neutral (she's not evil because she doesn't actively want to harm people).
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I dunno, I think Taiga's grandfather is better. He might be Yakuza, but Shirou hasn't killed him yet, so he can't be that bad, and Taiga is not bad-off at all.
You really want Shirou go on murder spree? WTF?
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Still less monstrous then canon soul rot Zouken. I mean Sakura will never probably be truly happy, but then again she also does not become an abomination that has to deal with the guilt of almost ending the world (if she does not have that guilt then she really deserves to not be happy anyway).
And by right leverage I mean using magical contacts and magecraft to dig himself into the right spot in her mind to rebuild it from the ground up. Surprisingly simple really. Although her resilience was annoying. Not like she knows he did this, and not like he would ever tell her. That could jeopardize her stability.
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I dunno, I think Taiga's grandfather is better. He might be Yakuza, but Shirou hasn't killed him yet, so he can't be that bad, and Taiga is not bad-off at all.
You really want Shirou go on murder spree? WTF?
No, but I doubt he'd be quite so friendly with someone who he knew was a murderer. Shirou has no issue killing clear bad guys, after all.
Still less monstrous then canon soul rot Zouken.
Well, sure, but that is not exactly a high bar....
I mean Sakura will never probably be truly happy, but then again she also does not become an abomination that has to deal with the guilt of almost ending the world (if she does not have that guilt then she really deserves to not be happy anyway).
Well, she does feel somewhat guilty, but it isn't actually her fault in any way, so she can mostly bury the guilt, and just try to atone for the damage she did do as best as she can. Honestly, I think she would be entirely justified in not feeling guilty, she did nothing wrong, but I know that any remotely decent human being who was in that situation would find it difficult to accept that, and Sakura was no exception.
And by right leverage I mean using magical contacts and magecraft to dig himself into the right spot in her mind to rebuild it from the ground up. Surprisingly simple really. Although her resilience was annoying. Not like she knows he did this, and not like he would ever tell her. That could jeopardize her stability.
I see, so he basically changes her into a different person using mind-alteration? Yeah, that's pretty horrendous....
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No, but I doubt he'd be quite so friendly with someone who he knew was a murderer. Shirou has no issue killing clear bad guys, after all.
In HF his girlfriend basically ate hundreds of people, so he can be friendly with people with issues.
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No, but I doubt he'd be quite so friendly with someone who he knew was a murderer. Shirou has no issue killing clear bad guys, after all.
In HF his girlfriend basically ate hundreds of people, so he can be friendly with people with issues.
Sakura never willingly killed anyone, though, and he knows she is a good person. That is very definitely not the same thing as willingly murdering innocent people.
I'm not saying Raiga is the nicest guy around, but he is certainly better than Bishie Zouken, especially as a grandparent.
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I mean the alternative would to use her as a womb to produce a suitable matou heir. Which I doubt a lucid and peak Zouken would risk letting her interact with people if that was her only purpose.
What he did was honestly the nicest think Zouken would do in that situation that was IC for him. No worms, no grail fragment, no brainwashing into an almost mindless puppet to serve as a baby maker for her whole life.
He was fucking merciful considering his other options. And he lived up to his bargain with Tokiomi, both his children became heirs to a magus family and lived up to their full potential (at least till Sakura more or less shanked Rin at school during the war).
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at least till Sakura more or less shanked Rin at school during the war
This will be great. Bishie Zouken second best magus grandpa.
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I mean the alternative would to use her as a womb to produce a suitable matou heir. Which I doubt a lucid and peak Zouken would risk letting her interact with people if that was her only purpose.
Well, I presume that Tokiomi and even Rin would have noticed Sakura going missing suddenly, plus Japan does presumably have some sort of child services and compulsory education. But, yes, you're basically right.
What he did was honestly the nicest think Zouken would do in that situation that was IC for him.
Again, that is not exactly a high standard....
No worms, no grail fragment, no brainwashing into an almost mindless puppet to serve as a baby maker for her whole life.
Yes, it's better than canon, it's just still pretty shitty on his part. Which makes sense for Zouken, yes, but "slightly less bad than worm-raping young children and gloating about it to your descendant" is still not a particularly glowing reference....
He was fucking merciful considering his other options. And he lived up to his bargain with Tokiomi, both his children became heirs to a magus family and lived up to their full potential (at least till Sakura more or less shanked Rin at school during the war).
Well, again, given how dumb Tokiomi is, living up to the bargain they made is not exactly an example of brilliance.
And, ouch, he really did fuck with Sakura, didn't he...?
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Oh and by shanked I mean put a bladeworm familiar egg into her, which was hatched and ripped her apart from the inside out.
She took advantage of Rin's kindness like a real magus would.
Zouken was so proud that day, he gave her a pat on the head.
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Magnificent. Zouken and Grigori as a team would be wonderful.
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Sakura never willingly killed anyone, though, and he knows she is a good person. That is very definitely not the same thing as willingly murdering innocent people.
Dark Sakura still Sakura. Kotomine never lies.
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Oh and by shanked I mean put a bladeworm familiar egg into her, which was hatched and ripped her apart from the inside out.
Wow, that is nasty....
She took advantage of Rin's kindness like a real magus would.
Zouken was so proud that day, he gave her a pat on the head.
Yeah, this Sakura doesn't sound nice at all, and nor does this Zouken....
Sakura never willingly killed anyone, though, and he knows she is a good person. That is very definitely not the same thing as willingly murdering innocent people.
Dark Sakura still Sakura. Kotomine never lies.
Kotomine never lies but is often misleading. Plus, Dark Sakura killed a grand total of three people, all of whom pretty much deserved to die, so there isn't exactly much for Shirou to hate her for....
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Hey Mike, it was a fucking war. You don't go to school when your at fucking war. That's just stupid.
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Dark Sakura still Sakura. Kotomine never lies.
Neither does Mai'q.
Cookie to whoever gets that joke first.
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Hey Mike, it was a fucking war. You don't go to school when your at fucking war. That's just stupid.
It's still definitely not a nice thing to do, especially to your own sister, or to someone who is being kind to you.
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Rin not a Matou. What you talkin about Willis.
Also kindness to a magus is weakness. You really should know that by now.
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Rin not a Matou. What you talkin about Willis.
You know what I mean....
Also kindness to a magus is weakness. You really should know that by now.
Sure, but magi are assholes, so that is hardly much of a defence. All of the remotely decent magi are ones who don't really follow the path of a magus.
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Rin is the only decent magus we see that actually follow the path of the magus.
Cause using of magecraft =/= magus. To be a magus you need to follow the path. It is a cultural thing.
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I personally like Kiritsugu's philosophy the best. Kill the few to save the many. Sure you're miserable if you follow it the full way then you'll be miserable but it has a net total good done.
On a side note Mike:
Well would you even like Sakura if the things in canon didn't happen to her? Her past basically crafted her characterization and even appearance so without the traumatc backstory which is what makes Sakura basically Sakura would you still like her as a character?
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Oh right, Sakura does not have purple her for Zouken. Or at least compleatly, using the Matou magecraft is starting to turn it that color.
Going to be odd for Zouken to see a purple haired, kind, shy, non-magus Sakura.
Going to probably talk to her for like a couple a seconds though a familiar before realizing it has something to do with parallel worlds and starts trying to piece together what made her so different.
Then he loses all interest and never purposefully talks to her again because boring worthless non-heir Sakura is not at all noteworthy except as a prana battery.
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Sure, but magi are assholes, so that is hardly much of a defence. All of the remotely decent magi are ones who don't really follow the path of a magus.
Uh, no, all the shit or not-particularly-great magi are the ones that don't follow the path of the Magus, while all the good ones are the ones that do.
Bad: Rin (even if she can someday, in decades, reach the top 100 in terms of power in the MA, that is less due to her own skill and more to her future tutelage under Zelretch), Sakura, Caules, Shirou
Good: Darnic, Kayneth, Lorelei, The Director, Zouken, etc.
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^ This, being a good magus and being a good human being are nearly opposite.
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Nah Brah, Rin is the one exception.
She a really good magus cause she still focuses on development and mastery of magecraft. Also has massive potential.
She more of a hybrid, she follows the path of a magus but does not have the complete mindset for it. So she kinda a gray area.
Everything else is spot on though.
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Caules Forvedge Yggdmillennia never wanted to join the Holy Grail War in the first place. As a matter of fact, he had not even wanted to be a magus.
He does like thaumaturgy itself - it isn't everyday one can have the pleasure of holding absurd, scientifically impossible phenomena in one's own hands. But he never wanted to devote his entire life to it.
Besides, magi are humans who become something less - they become truly inhuman. Frankly, he did not want to be exposed to the world as some monster who would massacre thousands for the sake of research, like magi used to in medieval times.
A magus is a seeker, removed from sentimentality, compassion and other such kind words. The path was not one that Caules had wanted to walk.
This is what Apoc has to say on the topic, and I feel it is perfectly fitting.
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Nah Brah, Rin is the one exception.
She a really good magus cause she still focuses on development and mastery of magecraft. Also has massive potential.
She more of a hybrid, she follows the path of a magus but does not have the complete mindset for it. So she kinda a gray area.
Everything else is spot on though.
Having Zeltretch as a teacher also helps. She doesn't need to do dubious experiments and stuff because Zeltretch will just teach her anything she could learn personally.
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Rin is the only decent magus we see that actually follow the path of the magus.
Cause using of magecraft =/= magus. To be a magus you need to follow the path. It is a cultural thing.
Except that Rin isn't even close. HF is the most obvious example, but even in Fate and UBW she is way too nice. The idea of backstabbing Shirou never even enters her mind, and the one time she tries to "kill" him she ends up saving his life about a minute later (and even then, if she succeeds she just takes his command spells).
I personally like Kiritsugu's philosophy the best. Kill the few to save the many. Sure you're miserable if you follow it the full way then you'll be miserable but it has a net total good done.
I don't.
On a side note Mike:
Well would you even like Sakura if the things in canon didn't happen to her? Her past basically crafted her characterization and even appearance so without the traumatc backstory which is what makes Sakura basically Sakura would you still like her as a character?
It depends. In general, yes, I probably would, because I think Sakura is a genuinely good person (as is Rin) and that would not generally change. But, I wouldn't like versions written by people who have a different opinion of her, or versions who have been massively altered. Having said that, I do sympathise with this version of Sakura, Zouken is at fault for how she is.
Oh right, Sakura does not have purple her for Zouken. Or at least compleatly, using the Matou magecraft is starting to turn it that color.
Ah, OK.
Well, Sakura's daughter has black hair, since that is Sakura's natural colour.
Going to be odd for Zouken to see a purple haired, kind, shy, non-magus Sakura.
Well, that's only half right. She's kind and purple-haired, yes, but she's not really that shy any more (this is 30 years later) and, whilst she's not a magus in the practical sense she is reasonably competent at magic (plus she has infinite prana, which helps). Not to the level of his Sakura, no, but she's not incompetent.
Going to probably talk to her for like a couple a seconds though a familiar before realizing it has something to do with parallel worlds and starts trying to piece together what made her so different.
Then he loses all interest and never purposefully talks to her again because boring worthless non-heir Sakura is not at all noteworthy except as a prana battery.
Well, she is noteworthy, but in different ways, and I do doubt he'd have that much interest in her. She would, however, be more interested in him, although in a very negative way. He'd need to do a lot to convince her that the best option wasn't "exterminate on sight", and I doubt he could succeed given what he is like as a person.
Sure, but magi are assholes, so that is hardly much of a defence. All of the remotely decent magi are ones who don't really follow the path of a magus.
Uh, no, all the shit or not-particularly-great magi are the ones that don't follow the path of the Magus, while all the good ones are the ones that do.
Bad: Rin (even if she can someday, in decades, reach the top 100 in terms of power in the MA, that is less due to her own skill and more to her future tutelage under Zelretch), Sakura, Caules, Shirou
Good: Darnic, Kayneth, Lorelei, The Director, Zouken, etc.
I meant "decent" in terms of morality, not ability as a magus.
Also, Zouken is not a great magus. If he were he would not be a rotting pile of worms....
Ditto Kayneth, for that matter. He fails pretty damn hard at the whole "being a successful magus" thing when it comes to the Grail War. He pisses off his student to the point of losing his catalyst, and then fails miserably to deal with Kiritisugu effectively.
And, Rin is genuinely a good magus in terms of ability, she just lacks the mindset. Also, Zelretch never teaches her as far as I can tell. In HF he comes and finds a bunch of other people to teach and leaves her largely alone.
Nah Brah, Rin is the one exception.
She a really good magus cause she still focuses on development and mastery of magecraft. Also has massive potential.
She more of a hybrid, she follows the path of a magus but does not have the complete mindset for it. So she kinda a gray area.
Everything else is spot on though.
Having Zeltretch as a teacher also helps. She doesn't need to do dubious experiments and stuff because Zeltretch will just teach her anything she could learn personally.
I don't recall it being said that Zelretch teaches her, though. He oversees her somewhat, but he doesn't say anything to her. Plus, Rin experiments quite a bit from what I can tell, she is just more ethical about it than many magi would be (and, I don't get the impression that the average magus uses things like human experimentation too often anyway, secrecy would disappear pretty quick if they all did it).
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Also, Zouken is not a great magus. If he were he would not be a rotting pile of worms....
Ditto Kayneth, for that matter. He fails pretty damn hard at the whole "being a successful magus" thing when it comes to the Grail War. He pisses off his student to the point of losing his catalyst, and then fails miserably to deal with Kiritisugu effectively.
Holy shit, could you miss the marker more?
Zouken is an Archmagus, a title given only to god-tier Magi. He fucking made 1/3rd of a system that can reach the Root.
Kayneth is an amazing magus who's overcome every single trial in his life before the War with nothing but sheer talent and excellency. There's a fucking reason he's a First-Class Instructor and Lord in his early thirties at latest. The issue is that Kayneth is not a combat-based Magus however, just like Alba. He got dumped on in the war because
1. His Servant was a fucking failure, despite being strong. He keeps preaching loyalty and about how he wants to serve a lord faithfully, but defies or questions almost every single command he is given.
2. His first opponent is a main character with the specific power to fuck top-tier Magi in the ass.
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Yeah, I guess it's not so much that Kayneth is a shit magus as it is that, actually, being a good magus isn't well-correlated with being good at Grail Wars....
Tokiomi has the same issue. Arrogant human plus arrogant or principled super-human (and most servants are one of those, because if they weren't they wouldn't be a hero) aren't a good mix....
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Kayneth also managed to hack the Grail System a bit, and he isn't even one of the founding families.
Edit: Any of the top tier magi that actually had a focus on combat would have annihilated everyone.
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Yeah you made a few OC sakura and Shirou kids right mike?
One of them had shadow swords right?
Well due to the hair colour think it seems like you don't believe in lamarkian genetic inheritance but both shirou's sword powers and sakura's shadow powers were kind of gained via modification and not their original genetic stance. Also aren't the powers a kid gets pretty random in Nasuverse lore beyond crest inhertance. So my only advice to you is try not to draw too much from the parent's power set unless you use some crest stuff. If it is a newly founded crest those things are kind of terribly so if you do have inhertance via crest the abilities they should be pretty nerfed as it takes multiple generations for a magic crest to get any good.
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Actually, I think the kid does have a crest.
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Well, that's only half right. She's kind and purple-haired, yes, but she's not really that shy any more (this is 30 years later) and, whilst she's not a magus in the practical sense she is reasonably competent at magic (plus she has infinite prana, which helps). Not to the level of his Sakura, no, but she's not incompetent.
Well, she is noteworthy, but in different ways, and I do doubt he'd have that much interest in her. She would, however, be more interested in him, although in a very negative way. He'd need to do a lot to convince her that the best option wasn't "exterminate on sight", and I doubt he could succeed given what he is like as a person.
Not really noteworthy to anyone but you or specific characters if you think about.
She will never reach a fraction of her true potential cause he ability was shot to hell by forced magical trait conversion.
Also you act like she is going to recognize him he looks and acts completely differently. Hell he will probobly treat Sakura respectfully when he meats with her
The most I can see without it being metagaming would be to be like "this guy feels familier" but unable to put her finger on it. Enough to make her uneasy but not enough to be like "OMFG ITS ZOUKEN, KILL IT WITH BUG SPRAY". Also as a magus your Sakura does not hold a Candle to Zouken's Sakura or Zouken himself. They are both either compleatly living up to their potential as a magus (Sakura) or has multple hundred of years of skill with magic, combat, and dealing with people.
Also the whole being a successful magus for the grail war thing? It cause Kayneth though it was going to be a war between magi, not a war between killers. Also Zouken was a great magus, he just chose a poor method to preserve himself really.
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Yeah you made a few OC sakura and Shirou kids right mike?
One of them had shadow swords right?
Well due to the hair colour think it seems like you don't believe in lamarkian genetic inheritance but both shirou's sword powers and sakura's shadow powers were kind of gained via modification and not their original genetic stance. Also aren't the powers a kid gets pretty random in Nasuverse lore beyond crest inhertance. So my only advice to you is try not to draw too much from the parent's power set unless you use some crest stuff. If it is a newly founded crest those things are kind of terribly so if you do have inhertance via crest the abilities they should be pretty nerfed as it takes multiple generations for a magic crest to get any good.
Also in regards to "her natural color", Sakura's body was changed on a genetic level by Zouken. For that reason, in procreational biology, her "natural" hair color would (now) be considered purple.
Yeah, I guess it's not so much that Kayneth is a shit magus as it is that, actually, being a good magus isn't well-correlated with being good at Grail Wars....
That's not really true either. Some truly strong Magi like Lorelei and Bazett (the former being FAR better than the latter) would wreck face in the HGW.
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Yeah, I guess it's not so much that Kayneth is a shit magus as it is that, actually, being a good magus isn't well-correlated with being good at Grail Wars....
That's not really true either. Some truly strong Magi like Lorelei and Bazett (the former being FAR better than the latter) would wreck face in the HGW.
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Yeah it changes on a genetic level. i forgot. But when are eggs produced I forgot. If they were produced preworm rape then she'd have black hair and so such if they were produced post worm rape then they will be puple though I think they are produced very early on in life so I belive that Mike would be right and the child wouldn't be a purplehead.
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Yeah you made a few OC sakura and Shirou kids right mike?
One of them had shadow swords right?
Well due to the hair colour think it seems like you don't believe in lamarkian genetic inheritance but both shirou's sword powers and sakura's shadow powers were kind of gained via modification and not their original genetic stance. Also aren't the powers a kid gets pretty random in Nasuverse lore beyond crest inhertance. So my only advice to you is try not to draw too much from the parent's power set unless you use some crest stuff. If it is a newly founded crest those things are kind of terribly so if you do have inhertance via crest the abilities they should be pretty nerfed as it takes multiple generations for a magic crest to get any good.
The swords are not due to an origin or anything, he is just good at creating things in general (not by projection, he uses ether), and fighting like his father is a natural approach. As for the shadow powers, no, Sakura's shadow magic is actually her natural alignment, it's not something Zouken pushed onto her. And, yes, Sakura's kids all have a crest she created for them. It's not amazing, but it allows them to use Sakura's magic, because that is what a Crest does (it stores copies of the spells that person created, and spells created by all previous family members who had added to the Crest).
I will admit that IIRC (I'd have to check the sheet) I have given at least one of the kids shadow as part of their elemental affinity, but the inheritance of elemental affinities is not clear. Some families (the Matou, for example) do have a fixed elemental affinity, others seem not to. So, there is a fair amount of flexibility there, I feel. And, neither of the kids have binding as their family trait, they are both fundamentally Tohsaka mages.
Also in regards to "her natural color", Sakura's body was changed on a genetic level by Zouken. For that reason, in procreational biology, her "natural" hair color would (now) be considered purple.
Where does it say that?
Biology simply does not work like that, you cannot change a person's genetics and have them survive, plus there is no such thing as "Matou genetics". Plus, as Gray said, eggs are made prior to birth.
So, no, sorry, but I'm going with "they're Tohsakas rather than Matous".
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Also the whole being a successful magus for the grail war thing? It cause Kayneth though it was going to be a war between magi, not a war between killers. Also Zouken was a great magus, he just chose a poor method to preserve himself really.
This. Notice how Kayneth announced himself so he and the Einzbern master could duel.
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Shadow isn't an Elemental Affinity Mike. You have one of the 4 Elements or you're an Average One. Imaginary Numbers (Shadow) is a Sorcery Trait; Sakura's Elemental Affinity is Water.
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Shadow isn't an Elemental Affinity Mike. You have one of the 4 Elements or you're an Average One. Imaginary Numbers (Shadow) is a Sorcery Trait; Sakura's Elemental Affinity is Water.
Erm, nope.
Sakura's birth affinity is Imaginary Numbers. Water is what was forced onto her by the Matous. Tokiomi even says so in Zero.
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Also, Zouken is not a great magus. If he were he would not be a rotting pile of worms....
Dude, he maintained his bishie self for 300 years. Only older non-Apostle magi are Acht, Araya and the Director of Clock Tower. And he invented Command Spell system.
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Uh, no.
At birth, Sakura lacked any elemental alignments.
Fate/Zero - Volume 4, Act 12, Part 3
One of them [Rin] has all elements, having five multiple elements as her alignment. The other [Sakura] has no elemental alignments, having Imaginary Numbers only. Both sisters have a rare potential that can be equated to miracles.
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Uh, no.
At birth, Sakura lacked any elemental alignments.
Fate/Zero - Volume 4, Act 12, Part 3
One of them [Rin] has all elements, having five multiple elements as her alignment. The other [Sakura] has no elemental alignments, having Imaginary Numbers only. Both sisters have a rare potential that can be equated to miracles.
Erm, no, Sakura has no elemental alignments. It's pretty clear from how that is written that Imaginary Numbers is also an alignment.
But, regardless, it's irrelevant. Whatever you want to call it, at birth she possessed Shadow magic and not Water magic, which is what I was saying. Water as an alignment was added later by Zouken.
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Erm, nope.
Sakura's birth affinity is Imaginary Numbers. Water is what was forced onto her by the Matous. Tokiomi even says so in Zero.
As Brah says it is a sorcery trait, and even if it was not you cannot pass an 'element' though a crest. You pass down knowledge. Unless you have a fitting element or origin your ability to use the abilities in the crest would probably be limited.
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Alignment
What determines what kind of properties a magus' magic is going to be likely to have, or what kind of magic the magus is going to have good chemistry with, is going to be the element aligned with the magus.
In addition to the five great elements of earth, water, fire, wind, and sky, there's the imaginary elements of Hollow and Nothing, for a number of seven.
CM3
I don't see Imaginary Numbers on that list, Mike.
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Erm, nope.
Sakura's birth affinity is Imaginary Numbers. Water is what was forced onto her by the Matous. Tokiomi even says so in Zero.
As Brah says it is a sorcery trait, and even if it was not you cannot pass an 'element' though a crest. You pass down knowledge. Unless you have a fitting element or origin your ability to use the abilities in the crest would probably be limited.
That seems unlikely, because if it were true then the Tohsaka Crest would be of very little use to anyone other than Rin. It is certainly not clear, in any case, so I intend to continue using my own interpretation.
Alignment
What determines what kind of properties a magus' magic is going to be likely to have, or what kind of magic the magus is going to have good chemistry with, is going to be the element aligned with the magus.
In addition to the five great elements of earth, water, fire, wind, and sky, there's the imaginary elements of Hollow and Nothing, for a number of seven.
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I don't see Imaginary Numbers on that list, Mike.
Erm, "imaginary elements". Sound familiar...?
And, like I said, I don't care. My point is that Sakura had Imaginary Numbers from birth and not Water. What you call it does not matter one damn bit for this discussion.
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Magicians preserve knowledge through crests. Preserving the knowledge of the family and adding to it is more important than being able to use it. And even then, they still act as additional circuits, and in turn increase the ability of the magus which possess them.
Imaginary elements is something very specific, a category 2 specific elements apply to. Completely different from Sakura's Imaginary Numbers, which is a sorcery trait which specializes vs ether constructs such as spirits.
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Erm, "imaginary elements". Sound familiar...?
And, like I said, I don't care. My point is that Sakura had Imaginary Numbers from birth and not Water. What you call it does not matter one damn bit for this discussion.
Numbers =/= Elements.
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Well iirc Sakura has it as a general affinity sourcery trait or no.
Also I thought sorcery traits were inherited and passed down through families like Bazzet's god's holder trait that the fraga have (unless I'm misremembering canon).
So I thought it was just a mutated elemental affinity that was born through chance.
Also Mike while you're pretty much a sakura expert I think you might be a little wrong about the magic she uses. She was corrupted and influenced by angra manyu and it was a combination of agnra mainyu, matou binding magic with Sakura's imaginary number trait at best creating material. Regardless the things you see her do in HF are pretty warped versions of her magic if they do represent it and the children would have something pretty different even with use of a crest.
How are crests made in canon again? I think a mage rips out their own magic circuits and permanently imbues spells into them so that over the generations it would grow slowly. (this is probably some incorrect fanon so please show me the lore books if the mention them).
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Imaginary Elements
Hollow: The alignment that Sakura was born with. Defined, in magery, as that "which is possible but is not in the physical plane". Also called imaginary numbers.
Nothing: Like Hollow, the alignment of an imaginary element. In magery, defined as that "which is not possible, but materializes". Has a different meaning that the "nothing" of physics and math.
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Magicians preserve knowledge through crests. Preserving the knowledge of the family and adding to it is more important than being able to use it. And even then, they still act as additional circuits, and in turn increase the ability of the magus which possess them.
It's not just "knowledge", having the ability to use the spells does matter. A crest gives you the ability to use spells in it without restriction or any need to cast them. You can believe whatever you like, but unless you can provide solid evidence of your opinion I will continue to do what I think is correct.
Well iirc Sakura has it as a general affinity sourcery trait or no.
Also I thought sorcery traits were inherited and passed down through families like Bazzet's god's holder trait that the fraga have (unless I'm misremembering canon).
So I thought it was just a mutated elemental affinity that was born through chance.
Not a clue, honestly.
Also Mike while you're pretty much a sakura expert I think you might be a little wrong about the magic she uses. She was corrupted and influenced by angra manyu and it was a combination of agnra mainyu, matou binding magic with Sakura's imaginary number trait at best creating material. Regardless the things you see her do in HF are pretty warped versions of her magic if they do represent it and the children would have something pretty different even with use of a crest.
I think you're overestimating the amount of effect AM has on her magic. Yes, it does enhance it somewhat, but the base concept is a combination of Sakura's natural imaginary numbers magic and Matou binding magic. The shadow elements of it are definitely from her imaginary numbers, as is the anti-servant affinity.
How are crests made in canon again? I think a mage rips out their own magic circuits and permanently imbues spells into them so that over the generations it would grow slowly. (this is probably some incorrect fanon so please show me the lore books if the mention them).
Yeah, that's the assumption I was working on. Every generation of the family adds a few of their circults to the crest, with the spells they can cast stored in those circuits. Hence why a Crest is so important, because it has every spell ever invented by your family. Even the most powerful magus is at a massive disadvantage if they have only one lifetime's work instead of many.
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Its effectiveness at beating servants was due to connection to the grail, although the anti-spirit attribute probably helped if only a bit, not enough to beat servants independently.
Servants cannot deny the will of the grail by their vary nature. That is the whole explanation for Sakura being able to nom Gil.
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Though if she tried to Blacken him instead of nomming him immediately, he would burst out of her chest Kool Aid Man style.
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Nah Brah, Rin is the one exception.
She a really good magus cause she still focuses on development and mastery of magecraft. Also has massive potential.
She more of a hybrid, she follows the path of a magus but does not have the complete mindset for it. So she kinda a gray area.
I disagree on your wording, but you aren't entirely wrong. Rin goes back and forth on being magus and being a decent, considerate human being.
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Ya could have worded it better. My bad.
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Its effectiveness at beating servants was due to connection to the grail, although the anti-spirit attribute probably helped if only a bit, not enough to beat servants independently.
Servants cannot deny the will of the grail by their vary nature. That is the whole explanation for Sakura being able to nom Gil.
Yeah, the anti-spirit thing is one thing that Angra definitely does help quite a bit with.
Nah Brah, Rin is the one exception.
She a really good magus cause she still focuses on development and mastery of magecraft. Also has massive potential.
She more of a hybrid, she follows the path of a magus but does not have the complete mindset for it. So she kinda a gray area.
I disagree on your wording, but you aren't entirely wrong. Rin goes back and forth on being magus and being a decent, considerate human being.
Nah, she doesn't really go "back and forth". Aside from around the MoS decision in HF, I can't think of anything that Rin does that is genuinely bad (and even then she could also be said to be protecting people), and nor can I really think of any occasion where Rin could have saved someone and avoided doing so. Hanging around with Shirou does push her morality levels up a bit, true, but she doesn't exactly push the "true magus" angle very hard.
The thing with Rin is that she tries to be a magus, but is simply too good a person to achieve it. There's not really any "back and forth" there, when there is a conflict her kind nature almost always wins.
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I know you don't like this Mike but I personally view MoS as a good move. Sure it causes misery but it places selflessness over selfishness. As seen by all the other bad ends after that one the chances of actually suceeding in saving Sakura were pretty slim and weighing the lives of her shadow nomming on the scale less people were effected negatively. You would put a dog down if it had rabies despite the really slim chance of keeping it alive and not biting down on people until they are free.
Anyways looking forward to the rules tommorow.
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I know you don't like this Mike but I personally view MoS as a good move. Sure it causes misery but it places selflessness over selfishness. As seen by all the other bad ends after that one the chances of actually suceeding in saving Sakura were pretty slim and weighing the lives of her shadow nomming on the scale less people were effected negatively.
Sorry, that is just crap. Sakura is not a fucking statistic, she is a human being, and Shirou has absolutely no right to judge her as worthy of death because of something she might do. Further, he knows bugger all about what the shadow was doing or was capable of doing at the time, so that is no defence. All he has is some vague comment from Kotomine saying she will kill people, which he resolves to prevent.
You would put a dog down if it had rabies despite the really slim chance of keeping it alive and not biting down on people until they are free.
Sure, but you don't put a human down if they have rabies, or any other infectious disease for that matter. Sakura is not a fucking dog, and I think that comparison is very revealing of your attitude to her, and to humans in general.
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Not the place. Take it to the PMs or VMs if you want to debate morality. You can even make a new thread. Not this one though.
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Yeah, I know....
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Sure, but you don't put a human down if they have rabies,
If they are in too advanced stage of rabies you often have to euthanise them, so that's an awkward analogy.
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Sure, but you don't put a human down if they have rabies,
If they are in too advanced stage of rabies you often have to euthanise them, so that's an awkward analogy.
I can't think of any situation where a human being would be intentionally killed by a doctor to stop them spreading a disease, indeed it is illegal to euthanise humans in most countries even with the patient's consent. The most you can do is give them drugs that relieve their suffering but might also kill them, or remove treatment. And, even then, it is done solely for the benefit of the patient (because keeping them alive just causes them to suffer more), not because of any danger of spreading the infection. The concept of killing (or even refusing to treat) a patient who could still survive because they are potentially contagious to others if they are allowed to live is one that a doctor would refuse to even consider.
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Yeah, I know....
Sure, but you don't put a human down if they have rabies,
If they are in too advanced stage of rabies you often have to euthanise them, so that's an awkward analogy.
I can't think of any situation where a human being would be intentionally killed by a doctor to stop them spreading a disease, indeed it is illegal to euthanise humans in most countries even with the patient's consent. The most you can do is give them drugs that relieve their suffering but might also kill them, or remove treatment. And, even then, it is done solely for the benefit of the patient (because keeping them alive just causes them to suffer more), not because of any danger of spreading the infection. The concept of killing (or even refusing to treat) a patient who could still survive because they are potentially contagious to others if they are allowed to live is one that a doctor would refuse to even consider.
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http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435)
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Mike's, times are changing and euthanasy is introduced even where it is not officially introduced as euthanasy, in form of ceasing persistent treatment.
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Mike's, times are changing and euthanasy is introduced even where it is not officially introduced as euthanasy, in form of ceasing persistent treatment.
Yes, it can be, but it is only ever done in the interests of the patent, not for the protection of others. Similarly, any euthanasia that might be introduced will be purely voluntary, with the full consent of the patient and in their interests. There is no way it will ever become legal for a doctor to kill a patient against their wishes, and especially not when doing so is not in the best interests of the patient.
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Not the place. Take it to the PMs or VMs if you want to debate morality. You can even make a new thread. Not this one though.
If you both want to continue take it here. http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435)
Derails are all fun and good, but this serves no purpose in an RP thread.
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So ya about that RP reboot. Gonna be great.
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I fucking loved Majora's Mask.
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Everyone should love Majora's Mask.
If they don't their taste in games is objectively shit.
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Not the place. Take it to the PMs or VMs if you want to debate morality. You can even make a new thread. Not this one though.
If you both want to continue take it here. http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435)
Derails are all fun and good, but this serves no purpose in an RP thread.
Kind of funny how you're basically trying to moderate a mod.
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Mike's not a mod
he's the owner/tech guy
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Kind of funny how you're basically trying to moderate a mod.
No the grand fucking irony of it all is that Mike is supposed to be a neutral figure of authority, but fails on the neutrality part and has to be reminded of his own forum's rules.
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I fucking loved Majora's Mask.
Yeah. The "final day" thing was always kind-of worrying, especially if you were in the middle of something important (the "12 hours left" thing was even more so, plus the spooky music that came after it). It would have been worse if I'd not known how to slow time....
Not the place. Take it to the PMs or VMs if you want to debate morality. You can even make a new thread. Not this one though.
If you both want to continue take it here. http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435 (http://darksidemoon.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,404.msg17435.html#msg17435)
Derails are all fun and good, but this serves no purpose in an RP thread.
Kind of funny how you're basically trying to moderate a mod.
Well, I've hardly been the most deferential person to authority or rules....
Mike's not a mod
he's the owner/tech guy
Well, even if I'm not formally a mod, I have admin powers, and I do do moderation stuff when there is no-one else around to do it.
Kind of funny how you're basically trying to moderate a mod.
No the grand fucking irony of it all is that Mike is supposed to be a neutral figure of authority, but fails on the neutrality part and has to be reminded of his own forum's rules.
I make no claim to be "neutral" and nor am I attempting to be a figure of authority (I detest authority in general), although I do try to be impartial when doing moderator actions. Further, since the rules of the forum were largely designed by me (whilst I don't do much moderation, as the owner I do have a very significant input on what is and is not allowed), if you are interpreting me as intentionally breaking them then you are probably interpreting them wrongly....
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I think that what was being implied is that you sometimes get so into an argument or discussion or whatever that you end up breaking the very rules you set without realizing? He seems the type that if he had been accusing you of disregarding them it would have been much more of a direct accusation. Is this another mistaken assumption? I have been having some trouble socially lately, I seem to be a bit out of practice.
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Well, it's entirely possible, yes. But, then, I don't recall any rule against what we were doing anyway (at least not anything unambiguous). Hell, I can't remember if we even have formal rules written anywhere....
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In this case, stay at least close to on topic and don't ruin it for the others is rather universal, is it not?
Because Majora's Mask was brought up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-QiARhXRZA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-QiARhXRZA)
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I'm not entirely sure how Majora's Mask is more on-topic than arguing about MoS, though :P
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:) We are on a countdown to a great and world shattering event, no discussion could be more on topic than Majora's Mask.
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Yeah. The "final day" thing was always kind-of worrying, especially if you were in the middle of something important (the "12 hours left" thing was even more so, plus the spooky music that came after it). It would have been worse if I'd not known how to slow time....
Definitely the darkest Zelda game, and one of the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJ2-yEzOnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJ2-yEzOnI)
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That moon always looked funny to me.
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Inb4 true Crimson Moon's form is the recolor of that moon.
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You must be bearing a terrible wait...
Let me ease your sorrows...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL-GVMCnA_Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL-GVMCnA_Q)
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So has Elf cast Moondrop just yet? :P
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honk honk
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