Dark Side of the Moon
Unlimited Creativity Works => Role Playing => Topic started by: lantzblades on November 15, 2013, 04:14:57 AM
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Alright well after all the commotion I decided to create a D&D game. While the materials are not yet complete I'll be giving out the basic details.
the game is most similar to the original dungeons and dragons. I as game master will handle the game's mechanical side (rolling die to determine success or failure as in dungeons and dragons)
no evil characters.
no halflings
no paladins.
the game is set for 2 to 5 players.
Absolutely no player killing or you will be black listed.
health is rolled at level one.
finally
as I have had serious issues with him regarding this subject matter all players are welcome to join EXCEPT Arch.
further details to be announced.
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Why no paladins?
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Alignment arguments, party conflicts and general overlap with fighter and cleric party roles. Plus they cheat out the cleric's restrictions.
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To tell the truth the only Paladin that comes to my mind in Hellsing's Alexander Anderson.
Though my knowledge of this still of RP is very light.
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Think high fantasy mord. Guys in armour with swords and shields
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OK, I'll bite, why no Paladins? If it's because "Oh, they're broken," well, Clerics are far, far, FAR, more broken. And Alignment? Dude, if this is 3.5, Lawful Good doesn't mean lawful stupid for that matter, and you could always go with the 4e clause that a paladin of a deity is the same alignment of that deity. And if there AREN'T any evil characters, there shouldn't be that much alignment conflict unless you're dealing with dickish as hell players... or a douche of a GM who just wants to make the paladin fall. For that matter, Cleric's and Druids overlap with the Wizard and so do fucking Sorcerers. Hell, BARDS overlap with Wizards. Barbarians overlap with Fighters. Why not ban Barbarians, or Rangers?
So yeah, the reasons you gave ain't good ones.
Mord - Paladins in D&D are basically the equivalent of the militant arm of their church. They are the defenders of their faith, and according to class roles, are basically Clerics with Swords. Reality is that a good Cleric build will just wipe the floor with any Paladin build. Clerics are full on spell casters that can wear heavy armor, have more health, and can heal. Yeah. Paladins are basically fighters that can patch themselves up a bit, and SMITE EVIL. That's really it.
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Please leave Arch. I was clear I would not have you joining and your comments do not pertain to or assist in clarification of the game as it is.
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Please leave Arch. I was clear I would not have you joining and your comments do not pertain to or assist in clarification of the game as it is.
It was a better explanation of what a paladin than you gave. Oh, and which edition are you going by? Advanced? 3.5/Pathfinder? 4th edition?
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None, now please leave
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None, now please leave
>None
Lolwat. Then it isn't D&D.
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While I ask things to keep in control in here, his question is a legitimate one lantz, not a trolling one.
To explain for those unfamiliar, in D&D you have to select an Edition to use for the base rules. The most commonly mentioned ones these days are 3.5 and 4. 3.5 in particular is notable for being the ruleset used for games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. In other words, without an Edition, the game isn't technically a D&D game because it's not using a core set of rules that's validated by the game's creators.
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At best he can claim it's a D&D knockoff using d20 system rules.
Which it still isn't but that isn't the point. False advertising here Lantz.
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Magos, please just leave us alone and let us play. Although, yes, Lantz should explain what rules he is running the game on.
I'm in, anyway. I don't really care if it is exactly D&D rules or not....
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Magos, please just leave us alone and let us play. Although, yes, Lantz should explain what rules he is running the game on.
I'm in, anyway. I don't really care if it is exactly D&D rules or not....
Well, excuse me for wanting to provide an actually positive first RPG experience. 4e is perfect for that.
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Magos, please just leave us alone and let us play. Although, yes, Lantz should explain what rules he is running the game on.
I'm in, anyway. I don't really care if it is exactly D&D rules or not....
Well, excuse me for wanting to provide an actually positive first RPG experience. 4e is perfect for that.
That's fine, but you didn't really say that. You were just saying "Lantz isn't doing D&D".
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And he isn't which is to your immense detriment. Remember Mike, that WoD game is always an option if you want something solid.
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It isn't really, because I don't think we're going to find a time that suits everyone if I'm playing. Certainly there's no way both me and Elf can play, based on how often she comes on Skype when I do.
With this I think Lantz intends to do it on the forum, so timing isn't an issue.
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It isn't really, because I don't think we're going to find a time that suits everyone if I'm playing. Certainly there's no way both me and Elf can play, based on how often she comes on Skype when I do.
With this I think Lantz intends to do it on the forum, so timing isn't an issue.
Good point. I do have a british player in another game I'm running, but that's probably not a situation we can repeat for you.
Anyway, just warning you getting anything done will take forever in play by post format.
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1) Arch this is the third time I have have asked you to leave, I made it clear you're not to be involved in this game. Your input is not welcome here nor are your attempts to discredit me. In short stop posting and go elsewhere.
2) Alice the original dungeons and dragons was not called 1st edition until reprinted after the release of Advanced dungeons and dragons. This game is technically D&D however given the fact that there's some very obvious awareness's commonly known to people I am modifying the class lists and so on to better suit the current state. In example the original D&D Elf was a class rather than a race but all under the idea of races in rpgs from years of videogames and fantasy movies so using an old mechanic like that is pointless.
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Which is why recalling the glory days of 1e is a bad thing. Advanced D&D is probably what you'd want to base your shit off of.
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It isn't really, because I don't think we're going to find a time that suits everyone if I'm playing. Certainly there's no way both me and Elf can play, based on how often she comes on Skype when I do.
With this I think Lantz intends to do it on the forum, so timing isn't an issue.
Good point. I do have a british player in another game I'm running, but that's probably not a situation we can repeat for you.
Yeah, if I didn't have a job starting soon I could probably make it, but not now that I do. I can't stay up as late as I used to once I start work, at least during the week. And weekends I'm often away.
Anyway, just warning you getting anything done will take forever in play by post format.
Yeah, that might be true, but I don't see much of an alternative if I'm going to play.
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It will be play by post. Also I'll ask discussion to stop until I can get someone to deal with the issue at hand. So no more posting until after that please.
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It will be play by post. Also I'll ask discussion to stop until I can get someone to deal with the issue at hand. So no more posting until after that please.
What issue?
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Moving on, the game will largely be dungeon crawling. Exploring caves, castles and the like for treasure. While many locations and plots exist in D&D I find that somewhere in an adventure you'll be in a cave or labyrinth exploring no matter what the setting. So basing the adventures scenic and important spots to be found or explored this way is logical.
character death is honestly very likely as characters will just be starting out.
as the game is intended to be beginner friendly I'm using the rule in rolling stats which is roll four six sided dice, reroll ones and drop the lowest resulting dice and add the remaining three when determining ability scores.
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Do you have an actual ruleset decided yet? For character design etc. I mean.
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Which aspect of character design?
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Well, in general, but particularly the stuff like alignments, skills, classes etc.
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Yes, I do, it's a modified version of the "1st edition D&D" with elements from the second. And contrary to Alice's assertion D&D has a page about how the creators endorse the adjustment of rules to fit the game's need.
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Yes, I do, it's a modified version of the "1st edition D&D" with elements from the second.
Ah, OK.
Well, do you have the rules anywhere so we can look at them?
And contrary to Alice's assertion D&D has a page about how the creators endorse the adjustment of rules to fit the game's need.
Actually, I think you're misunderstanding her there, based on what she's said to me over Skype.
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Yeah, pretty much- what I was saying is that you need a base edition to make it D&D, not that you can't modify the rules at all. Honestly, just saying, "it's based around 1e with some stuff from 2e" to begin with would have been fine, it's just that's not what I understood from what you said.
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as I have had serious issues with him regarding this subject matter all players are welcome to join EXCEPT Arch.
You're ridiculous.
I really don't give a damn about your relationship with Arch.
But this? It's straight bullcrap. A game master refusing a player for previous conflict is stupid. How old are you? Twelve? The main reason why most of what he says to you fly over your head is because you never actually read him. All you do is focus on the way its formulated rather than the content, which is often decent stuff.
You have everything to gain from letting your grudge behind and start acting like an adult. Also, you have no right to say him to go. You're not owning the forums, nor would there be a justification to silence him anyway.
Even I, as a third party, am getting annoyed with your behavior. It's time to fucking move on with this shit.
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*Starts a slow clap for Daiki*
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I shouldn't have to type this, really. The overall negativity is rubbing me the wrong way.
Don't go "oh, let's create a RP with the intent to be an arse to someone else because we disagreed on stuff." Create RPs to have fun.
How hard is that, seriously?
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as I have had serious issues with him regarding this subject matter all players are welcome to join EXCEPT Arch.
You're ridiculous.
I really don't give a damn about your relationship with Arch.
But this? It's straight bullcrap. A game master refusing a player for previous conflict is stupid. How old are you? Twelve? The main reason why most of what he says to you fly over your head is because you never actually read him. All you do is focus on the way its formulated rather than the content, which is often decent stuff.
You have everything to gain from letting your grudge behind and start acting like an adult. Also, you have no right to say him to go. You're not owning the forums, nor would there be a justification to silence him anyway.
Even I, as a third party, am getting annoyed with your behavior. It's time to fucking move on with this shit.
Arch and Lantz do not get on, at all. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Lantz to involve him in his RP when Lantz cannot work with him.
And. Lantz did not make the RP to be an arse to Magos. He made the RP because he wanted to play an RP. He just does not feel he can run an RP with Magos in it.
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Daiki previous conduct is exactly why a GM prohibits players from joining. This choice was made by evaluating his behavior and the purpose of the game. I'm well within my right to do so and I was clear I did not want him involved in this game and asked three time for him to leave. Each time he refused to do so.
the purpose of this game is an entry level game. Not to intentionally exclude people.
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Magos has the right to state his opinion so long as it is civil and his intention is not to purposely aggravate. He has fulfilled both of these conditions here. Whether you let him in the game or not is your choice (I will keep silent on my opinion on that matter at this time), but unless he is violating the rules, he has the right to speak. You cannot control what people can or cannot say. Plus it is the administration and mod team's duty to decide on what is inappropriate or not and put a stop to it, not any one user.
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Ignoring the unrelated stuff. Late Saturday or Sunday I'll have the classes posted as well as the races.
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Arch and Lantz do not get on, at all.
They don't get along. So what?
Are we in kindergarten where we can't discuss things out in order to participate in entertainment sessions? Let alone, ignoring personal resentment towards another, no.
It's better to give the middle finger because of unrelated stuff.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect Lantz to involve him in his RP when Lantz cannot work with him.
Yes, it's unreasonable to expect Lantz to show some maturity. I'm sure that's for the better.
"Can't work" is your assumption. They could, if both were listening to what the other had to say.
And. Lantz did not make the RP to be an arse to Magos.
Yes, he did. The quote I used is perfectly clear.
The thing is open for everyone, BUT(capital letters are further emphasizing this) Arch.
Pointless and childish provocation that shouldn't be accepted. Then, it's followed by what is basically "you just shut up, you're not bringing any valuable insight in this." (Which is proven wrong by following posts from Arch)
He made the RP because he wanted to play an RP. He just does not feel he can run an RP with Magos in it.
He doesn't feel like it because he doesn't want to listen. It's better to close yourself in your own world, away from people offering things that could contribute to you, after all.
Daiki previous conduct is exactly why a GM prohibits players from joining.
Again, that's a pile of bs. I play forum RPs since I'm eleven, and in three different languages. Never ever did I see someone excluding another because they don't get along. You're using personal bias to sort of punish him here and not only is it not fair for him, but you're also doing a disservice to your other players given the guy obviously knows what he's talking about. You could actually work things out together if you weren't that stubborn and defensive.
This choice was made by evaluating his behavior and the purpose of the game.
His behavior before joining said RP is unrelated. Judge him when you start playing all you want. But straight NO YOU CAN'T ENTER BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE YOU, doesn't cut it.
I'm well within my right to do so
No you're not. You're placing yourself in a convenient position of power in order to shun him. That's being an arse to another. I sure as hell don't condone this.
and I was clear I did not want him involved in this game and asked three time for him to leave.
First, stop acting like a pretentious prick. You don't get to say others to go. He came in the thread and pointed out how some elements/rules you choose to ignore/accept weren't exactly fair to another class. Which is actually him giving you advices. But again, not bothering to read the content, you told him to fuck off.
And he didn't post aggressively this time. The problem doesn't reside in the guy. Even when he comes naturally to you, your answer is shut up and go away.
"If you actually listened to him, it could improve the overall experience for everyone." I'm sure you never even bothered with the thought, but it's still there.
Each time he refused to do so.
Because he had no reason to do so.
You're the one who called him out in your OP to begin with. Do you think that's how you should behave with people you judge annoying?
What's so surprising with him showing up afterwards?
Heck, would that be me, I would have insulted you for mentioning me in public when you had no reason to do so.
If you simply didn't want to be provocative, you would have waited him to post and told him, "yeah, I won't accept your character". (Or tell him via private messages)
That's how civilized people act towards each other. At least, that should be the standard.
the purpose of this game is an entry level game. Not to intentionally exclude people.
Then prove it by accepting the guy in.
And listen to people more, it's always good to get insight. Increases overall experience for everyone.
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I'm well versed in the subject matter as well. I do not need or want his input on my methods.
you are free not to join Daiki but I'm not going to respond to the rest of your comments which frankly border on insulting.
I've made my choice regarding Arch and his participation. As the game master I have that right. Also seriously no more in the thread, take it to PM.
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I'm well versed in the subject matter as well. I do not need or want his input on my methods.
you are free not to join Daiki but I'm not going to respond to the rest of your comments which frankly border on insulting.
I've made my choice regarding Arch and his participation. As the game master I have that right. Also seriously no more in the thread, take it to PM.
>Well versed in the subject matter
>Bans paladins and halflings for no real mechanical reason
Also, Daiki made a fuckload of valid reasonable points, and you just chose to ignore them. He wasn't insulting you either, unless that victim complex you seem to have is saying that.
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lantz... you have no right to order anyone around like that. None. You are not an administrator, you are not a moderator, and quite frankly, right now you are being a dick. Daiki is being perfectly reasonable and polite here, it is you who is being a jerk.
If it was up to me alone, you would be receiving a warning right now. As it is, until deliberation on that matter is complete, watch it.
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Dude, if I ever wanted to insult you, I would do it without needing to multi quotes. But that's not what matters here.
What matters, is simply making the fair choice, not the one convenient to you. Just look at it objectively, man.
All I'm saying. This is my last post here, anyway.
Hope you guys can sort this out somehow and have a good time.
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Tabletop games are for the game master as well Daiki. It's not fair to force me to have no fun just to satisfy your definition of fair Daiki. Given the purpose of the game I'm inclined not to change my mind because I don't think GMing should be like pulling teeth.
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Given your attitude through this whole affair lantz, it's going to drive people away. It's already driven away several. It's not fair to Magos either, and quite frankly, with the self serving attitude you've been taking through all this, I doubt anyone will want to join. I know I certainly won't be.
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I don't get the impression that Magos even wants to play, frankly, so I don't really see the problem. I also note that Magos himself has not once complained about Lantz saying he wasn't allowed to join....
And, I think Lantz is entitled to enjoy GMing. If he feels he cannot enjoy it with Magos playing then I think he can legitimately say he'd rather him not play. If Magos really has an issue with that then perhaps it is worth discussing, but as far as I can see he couldn't care less, so why are we even arguing about it?
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My game, my rules. If someone intends on complaining about the rules they had best be attempting to join because otherwise they are simply arguing for no reason.
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Because of lantz's attitude on the subject. Quite frankly, he's being an enormous jerk. He's talking down to everyone that questions him, he's ordering people around where he has neither the authority or the right to do so, and he recently went too far with me regarding this thread via PM, but I will not discuss that further here.
I'll be frank here, I don't think lantz has the maturity or self control to be a GM. What he has said in this thread and elsewhere and the PM he sent me proves this.
And while I'd personally prefer to see this thread closed period, let's end the argument here. Though knowing lantz, it's not going to be too long before another one starts up...
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And who says I don't want to join Cherry? I haven't played D&D in a while, and this looks like a good time to get a game in. So why can't I join then Lantz?
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I'm rather skeptical about your claim Arch given that there has been absolutely no indication before this.
However if you are honestly serious and willing to obey the rules as established then I could let you play. Next time actually ask. And seriously you're a vet so I expect you to support the game rather then sabotage it, it'll be cliché somewhat but it's an entry game.
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Game is still alive. Arch please confirm your sign up. I need it when I post the next thing.
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Game is still alive. Arch please confirm your sign up. I need it when I post the next thing.
Yep, still doing it.
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Small update note, due to current events I will be recruiting by PM instead of doing an open game.
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I'm betting that 'current events' bit is my actually wanting to join.
How mature lantz.
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If Lantz doesn't want to GM you he doesn't have to. That is his choice.
You wouldn't complain for a second if Elf kicked Lantz out of her RP, so you cannot complain if he refuses to RP with you.
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No Arch, it's personal business actually
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Setup is almost complete, five dungeons, working out the NPC's now. I'll send out player invites after that.