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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 26, 2013, 06:20:10 AM »
So Sakura is an "imperfect" Grail. I want to know exactly what that means - what makes her less complete than Ilya? Is Ilya aware of the existence of the Matou Grail?

Anyone care to help? /hopeful

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 19, 2013, 06:49:14 AM »
So an awakened origin is when the string goes berserk, destroying the persona in the process.

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Still, I'd be interested in the mechanism. Did it really alter the whole string that connects to Akasha or it just exchanged the "old" string with a new one which had the "sword" attribute, while keeping most of Shirou's personae. Soul-splicing anyone? And Avalon did this as a mere side effect.

Hm... this is just speculation, but it could be that because Shirou almost died in the fire, his default string was partially destroyed, so part of Avalon's healing involved repairing this string - but since Avalon is a sheathe, there's really only one thing a sheathe could know really well, hence the Sword origin change. Maybe. I don't know.

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As for the Magus being a different race, I seriously doubt that.

Ugh, I really should've been more clear with that question. I was asking if users of True Magic are still considered human (for example, by Alaya). I don't think they're genetically different, but maybe they're different enough conceptually to warrant a reclassification.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 18, 2013, 10:31:28 PM »
@ Cherry:

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Eh, what? Where did you get the idea it was "filled with shadows" from?

Don't trust me on that, since I vaguely remember reading something to that effect on the wiki. "Taking it into the shadow realm and spearing people with the shadows" or something.

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But the soul isn't "destroyed" in the process of doing so, since the eventual result of the Grail War would have been the souls of the heroes returning to Akasha and, in the process, punching a hole that could be opened wider to allow the magus performing the ritual to get there.

So the reason the Heroic Spirits are retained is so that when there are enough of them, the effect of 6/7 of these huge souls getting back to the Root at once would open a big enough hole for shit to happen? If so, then I've been misunderstanding the process this entire time.

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Yeah, I'm not sure you even could "dissect" a soul. I believe the soul is actually indestructable.
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IIRC, when a person dies their soul returns to Akasha and is torn apart, wiped of all information and the bits are reused. Souls are definitely indestructable, but they can seemingly be divided and wiped clean.

ATTW, it says that the soul is indestructible in the material realm, but that the soul usually resides somewhere else that's between the Root and "reality", meaning that someone could conceivably start ripping it apart if they could access this space-between-spaces (lol).

@ Willy

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Albeit I like to think about them as "telomers" of the "soul string". Something which is only fabricated when a person exists in the physical world.
And breaks down completely once that lost its usefulness.

Astral genetics, basically. If I'm interpreting this correctly, then a persona is only there to protect the soul-core from damage, so if there's a mental attack, then the persona breaks before the soul-core does.

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This is also the reason why not every human has magic circuits. It's a kind of leftover trait and modern humans should have no need of it.

Ohh, so they're becoming vestigial. As a species, we don't really use them anymore, so they've fallen by the wayside.

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Long story short magic is something that progressively becomes less necessary to humans.

So it's spiritual devolution by material evolution, with the increase of what we consider "possible" leading to the rapid decrease in what we consider "impossible", destroying the sense of wonder which was the reason why olde Magick was so damn powerful?

Also, Magicians technically aren't human anymore, right? They're treated as their own independent entities (that Akasha wants to destroy), unless I miss my guess.

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This is most likely also the reason why magi dwelves to much into the past instead of just trying to develop better uses for their current magic.

Because they don't like being made obsolete.


Wait, okay, so could this potentially be how Reality Marbles work? You make a copy of your persona and overwrite the outside world with it temporarily. That's why you can't get it through rote study or pass it on, as everyone's persona is completely different.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 18, 2013, 07:00:21 PM »
^ This is very helpful. Thanks Willy!

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Whatever makes up one's personae does not. It's merely a temporary fabrication and it slowly degrades with age. Albeit people usually die faster than that and then Akasha breaks this "personality" part completely down to forge a "new" soul.

So, according to your interpretation, Akasha reclaims the memories and "core" of the soul when a person dies, but the personality is recycled/left to fall apart. It's not the "soul" that's expiring, but the "person who was 'borrowing' that soul from Akasha". It would be somewhat analogous to lending someone a new computer, letting them install whatever they want on it, taking it back after they're finished with it/dead, wiping the hard drive after getting all the pertinent info off of it, and then giving it to someone else. Is that correct?

This is just a ramble: Can Akasha create these soul-cores, or does it only have a finite amount to work with? If it's the latter, then it could also possibly be an explanation for why humanity's degraded since the Age of the Gods: too many people leads to Akasha dividing the cores into smaller pieces to have enough to go around. Or maybe the Spiral Root can't be bothered to create a completely new core for each new human, so it makes a copy of one of the original "cores" at random and uses that instead (and because it's a copy, it's inferior to the original).

... this is giving me lots to think about. Thanks!

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Fanfiction / Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« on: August 17, 2013, 05:53:37 AM »
Different elemental affinities, so you'd probably see less fireblasts and more weird dimensional shit from TohSakura.

MakiRin... yeah, she'd fall later but harder. Assuming that some things stay the same, though, she'd project some kind of image to hide how broken she is on the inside, which might manifest itself as delinquent behavior a la Mitsuko Souma. That might actually lead to an interesting school situation, where super-nice school idol Sakura and bitch queen Rin constantly butt heads.

Oh god. Evil dominatrix Rin sounds really fucking scary. She'd definitely be the type to set BFA on the school if she gets Rider... but a better match for this interpretation of Rin may actually be Medea. Which is, arguably, even worse.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 17, 2013, 05:43:51 AM »
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Hmm, I'm not sure it is ever specifically stated, but it's a reasonable distance (half an hour walk or so). His house is also not on the route to school from Sakura or Rin's house.

It's half an hour? Then does around 3km make sense, actually?

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I don't think it's ever said when Lancer is summoned, but it's very early, most likely before the prologue.

As for her betrayal, Kotomine befriended her prior to the war, and she came to trust him. Then, after she summoned Lancer, he attacked her when she wasn't expecting it and cut her arm off. And, yes, she very definitely does have feelings for Lancer. She is absolutely besotted with him.

That's about all I know from the reference materials. It would be nice to get the input of someone who's played HA, since "Kirei cut her arm off" doesn't really let me know the undertones of the whole scene.

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It's not entirely clear what Sakura is capable of post-HF. However, she would still have excess prana, and she'd probably be capable of using most of the things she is capable of in her Dark form with sufficient practice. It would be difficult, though.

So, shadow familiars and making shadow dimensions, yeah?

Building off of that, does she make the dimension, or does she access it? And is the fact that it's filled with shadows a result of AM's influence?

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As for the Great Grail, it's destroyed. The Excaliblast destroys it and the cavern it is in.

So no dismantling subplot with Waver and Rin. Right.

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Also, do you mean HF True or HF Normal? There's no such thing as "HF Good", and I'm never 100% sure which people are talking about, since HF True is a much happier ending than HF Normal is. I assume you mean HF Normal, though, since you're talking about the Grail being Excaliblasted.

lolifail. I meant HF Normal, yeah.

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It means she can access it, not that she has it stored inside her. Her body, like Rin's, can only store and use 1000 units at a time.

I believe that, as a former Grail, Sakura has a connection to Akasha, and thus infinite prana. She can't use it to access the source (at least normally), but she can draw prana from it.

If that's how it works, then... >:D

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Can you clarify what you're asking here? It's too vague to answer at the moment.

Sorry. It's just that this is a major point I'm going to explore in F/R, and I want to know more about Nasuverse souls.

Do people know the structure of a soul? What kind of manipulations are possible? How does prana factor into this - does it act similarly to food for the body? Is the soul made of a highly stabilized form of prana?

... that kind of thing. I know about mystic passes and spiritual surgery, but I don't know that anyone's ever actually taken a soul and dissected it, piece by piece, to determine how the different components relate to each other (if it even works like that). It says on the wiki that most mages don't actually give a shit about it since it's "unreachable, unworkable energy" and that it's "difficult to handle", so I'd assume that even Clock Tower's knowledge about the soul's inner workings is spotty at best. They're probably less concerned on how it works and more with how to fuck with it to do magic stuff.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 17, 2013, 12:06:38 AM »
Alright... inane detail work time.

1) How far is Shirou's house from the school? I need to figure out Fuyuki City distances, because I'm getting them very, very wrong.

2) What day does Bazett summon Lancer, and what exactly happens between her and Kirei when he betrays her? Does she have feelings for him or something?

3) Post-HF good, what can Sakura actually do? Is the Greater Grail still around, or did the Excaliblast take care of it? Not sure if he destroyed the Lesser or Greater Grail there.

4) When we say that Sakura has like a trillion units of prana, does that mean that it's all stored in her body? Or is it more like she can access it, but the prana's still in the Lesser Grail? Is it something else entirely?

5) What has Nasu told us about the nature of souls?

I'm almost positive I'm gonna have more questions later. Thanks in advance.

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Fanfiction / Re: Fate/Refraction
« on: August 16, 2013, 05:50:44 PM »
Sorry for the lack of updates.

I'll be brief: I think I fucked up on... well, a lot of points, actually. Unfortunately, I don't know for sure so what I'm gonna be doing for the next couple of days is trying to outline exactly how events happen, hour by hour.

As for Chapter 6, it's maybe 60% done, but I'm probably going to rewrite everything I have so far before moving on to Chapter 7. Tedious, yes, but I feel it's important to have a good base to launch the story off of - something I do not have right now.

Thanks for putting up with me :P

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 15, 2013, 03:38:08 AM »
Alright. Thanks for the clarification.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 15, 2013, 03:13:08 AM »
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Magic resistance prevents direct damage from magic. It doesn't prevent damage from physical attacks with magical weapons, hence why Archer is capable of harming Saber despite his weapons being magically created.

So, would negative effects like really loud sounds taking out someone's hearing conceivably count as physical damage, not direct magical damage?

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However, I don't think a cannonball shot by a cannon could harm a servant, even if magic was used to propel it.

I'm aware, it was a hypothetical scenario.

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But, then, Nasu was never overly clear on exactly what that means, since a servant slamming another servant into a wall does cause them damage....

Walls are mundane, but usually not used as weapons. Hence, they do not fall under the purview of the category of "mundane weaponry." :P

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General Discussion / Re: Questions thread
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:29:51 AM »
Potentially stupid question about Magic Resistance here. Obviously, it lets Servants resist/negate the influence of magic attacks (physical, mental, etc).

My question is whether or not "Magic" here means "things infused with prana via thaumaturgy". For instance, say we had a cannon that used a charged gem as propellant in place of black powder. Would Magic Resistance influence the shot if the cannonball was otherwise normal?

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Fan Clubs / Re: Cherry Blossom Club
« on: August 15, 2013, 12:00:25 AM »
Can I join? Do I have to come bearing gif(t)s?

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Fanfiction / Re: Type-Moon Fiction Tracker
« on: August 13, 2013, 05:38:44 PM »
Oh, is this a thing now? Yay!

Fate/Refraction

A new take on Fate,
Impressions are deceiving,
I suck at haikus.

Note: Rather heavy Sakura focus. You'll know why by Chapter 4.

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Secret Garden / Re: Introductary Thread!
« on: August 13, 2013, 05:34:44 PM »
Sup. I'm Tyrnek, just a n00b fanfic-er trying to become less so. Cherry volunteered to beta the one fic I have (Fate/Refraction), which is how I learned about DSM.

Looking forward to getting to know you all, and if you ever feel the the need to criticize the shit out of something, I direct you to the link above.

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Fanfiction / Re: Crystallized Moments
« on: August 10, 2013, 06:40:56 AM »
I'll be honest: I only read the intro diary entry things. I promise to read into the rest later, and give you a more substantial critique.

That being said, I really, really, really liked the first 3 or so. Especially the one about the summoning.

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