Dark Side of the Moon
Type Moon => Fanfiction => Lantz's fics => Topic started by: lantzblades on May 05, 2014, 05:08:19 AM
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This work is fucking utter trash. The author has no concept of story structure, and creates threads about his fic when there are already such threads made. From the beginning, the main character comes off as an unlikeable motherfucker (literally if some of Lantz's other works are to be considered canon) who has the dumbest fucking comments I've ever read on situations, and seems to be even more oblivious than Shirou without making a conscious effort on that front, like Shirou did. He seems to view being fed human organs of his aunt and or cousin (Oh, right, the author makes the same fucking mistake of many a bad fanfiction writer in naming his characters the same as actual canon characters, when they're the sons/daughters of such. And those characters are both A), still alive, and B) from a culture that doesn't let that shit fly) as an only minorly unpleasant experience. So he's a fucking psychopath who cares nothing for others too.
THis thing should be thrown in the trash, have gas thrown over it, and lit on fire.
Also, there's already a thread for this fic up so fucking delete this thread mods, because Lantz is just cluttering up the forum's again.
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Yet another thread you should be avoiding, Magos.
Yes, this means leave the thread immediately. And before anyone asks, no, the other one is also off-limits.
Again, this is for your own good.
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Pile driving ORT? That's a little too ridiculous for my taste. Then again, I don't understand your metaphysics Lantz.
Can you explain?
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I will say that not doing research nor caring about doing it, as well as total disregard for the basic principles of Nasuverse combined with imbalance in power levels and poor grammar are the major flaws of the fic that must be fixed.
Why the heck ORT is fighting Leysritt. ORT is singlest most powerful being on Earth!
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Ort is in a human form Qwerty and the rest of the rules render her unable to harm Leysritt, as with all wrestling matches it's pin, and Leysritt lives with Hercules so bam.
different universe Kat, different rules, this one is a touch on the silly side comparatively. I know how the Nasuverse works.
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You do not understand how Nasuverse works. You think that everything is possible, while it is not, because certain things are not going to happen, regardless of circumstances.
Like somebody having TWO Reality Marbles, let alone inheriting a one through blood. Reality Marble is consistently established to reflect the soul of the user. Satoshi is not Shirou nor he has Origin of Sword.
The whole "infinite parallel worlds" it's just an excuse to defend lack of research and bad writing. I recommend rereading all available Nasuverse works and materials as the first step.
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He has one reality marble, one.
now please take your hostility and leave, it's against the rules.
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I take it ANY criticism is against the rules.
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Just the mean spirited crap Kat, now seriously leave.
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So we have to ignore every flaw to be not "mean spirited"?
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Ort is in a human form Qwerty and the rest of the rules render her unable to harm Leysritt, as with all wrestling matches it's pin, and Leysritt lives with Hercules so bam.
Lantz living with Heracles does not mean that she wrestles or trains with him because that might end up with a dead homonculus. There is also the fact that ORT constrained to human limits would still probably have A+++ to EX stats. It's a Type for a reason.
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Friggin' Gaia cannot wipe out ORT's Reality Marble. It is that strong.
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Yes Umbra, it would have those stats but all the extra ability is shunted off by the RM's restriction, Leysritt is stronger than a human anyway. Seriously she can fend off servant with her hali. In addition while it hasn't been directly revealed Satoshi used a fifth rule dude. He muttered it.
as for wrestling, she trained with Hercules because in their home reality he's sane and in full control of his strength.
as for you Kat, you simply have to avoid breaking the rules. You broke them, now hit the road.
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Yes Umbra, it would have those stats but all the extra ability is shunted off by the RM's restriction
Do you seriously think Satoshi's RM can affect something that laughs off Gaia's interference?
Seriously she can fend off servant with her hali
Do we see her fending off non-bottom tier Servant?
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You were rude Kat, I clearly stated that it was a different universe and that things work differently and you immediately accused me of not knowing the source material. That's rude, leave.
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Then write original fiction, please. It's not Nasuverse if it does not follow the original author's rules. Even guest writers have to follow the rules.
And you did not list anywhere, I think, an extensive list of changes and differences in your original universe in comparison to Nasuverse, so people naturally assume it should follow Nasuverse's rules.
PS. If that's not polite, then I seriously give up...
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Yes Umbra, it would have those stats but all the extra ability is shunted off by the RM's restriction, Leysritt is stronger than a human anyway. Seriously she can fend off servant with her hali. In addition while it hasn't been directly revealed Satoshi used a fifth rule dude. He muttered it.
as for wrestling, she trained with Hercules because in their home reality he's sane and in full control of his strength.
as for you Kat, you simply have to avoid breaking the rules. You broke them, now hit the road.
Leysritt can fend low tier servant with a halberd. ORT is superior to any servant in stats and Leysritt does not have her halberd. There is also the fact that if ORT can passively overwrite Gaia's RM then Satoshi's would be crushed in moments.
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It's not Satoshi's universe Kat, the journey goes through many different worlds, this one, like many others is bizarre.
normally you are correct Umbra (a fact Satoshi learned when he faced the character Andromeda) The arena they are fighting in is a special arena and the Referee is the ultimate authority, whoever takes the position becomes strong enough to defeat combatants in order to keep the matches fair.
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It's not Satoshi's universe Kat, the journey goes through many different worlds, this one, like many others is bizarre.
I'll ask politely, why do you not specify the rules of every universe he visits? That only adds to the confusion, because we don't know what rules are applicable.
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What was the rule Satoshi muttered?
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All intended lethal force is immediately transferred to the Referee. Ort couldn't damage them as a result, also why Satoshi collapsed, Avalon couldn't keep up.
I do Kat, but when the rules are actually presented, during flash forwards like this if I were to explain everything there would be no suspense of any kind. Also that shit be clunky as fuck to drop randomly.
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There is nothing to be ashamed of a third person narrator explaining things and rules, I mean Hirohiko Araki does that. It's old school but time tested narrative technique.
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Even if ORT couldn't use lethal force it could literally hold Leysritt down with one hand. The difference in strength is like saying Rider could pin Heracles.
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I think it would have been more appropiate if lantzblades went ahead and stated that this ORT is not a Type, but let's say, a shapeshifting alien with appropiate power level for this particular setting.
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Yes, it could have Umbra but that's something ORT never though of. It was hell bent on killing them and as a result lost.
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Why [the fuck] is ORT female? Does Satoshi need another character to stick his dick in or something?
And why does Satoshi have UBW? That's not how the anything works.
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Lyco watch that attitude. ORT is female for two reasons, Leysritt (it copied the form of it's opponent) and because of Venus, specifically a joke.
he does not have the Unlimited blade works
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ORT is from Mercury.
Type Venus is the guitar playing angel.
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Yes, it could have Umbra but that's dollqw2dollqw2dollqw2something ORT never though of. It was hell bent on killing them and as a result lost.
This still doesn't explain how Leysritt managed to pin ORT. A single hit would send her flying like a ragdoll even if it didn't kill her. There is also the fact that pinning a being infinitely stronger than you is nearly impossible.
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This still doesn't explain how Leysritt managed to pin ORT. A single hit would send her flying like a ragdoll even if it didn't kill her. There is also 7th fact that pinning a being infinitely stronger than you is nearly impossible.
Satoshi probably sexed up Leysritt before the fight on the pretense of "tantric ritual to increase strength".
:|
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Well, you know what they say about assumptions.
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Maybe this Satoshi is a celibate saint?
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There's a limit to how strong Leysritt can become, and training with Hercules isn't really an answer.
Also, its funny how you said that Satoshi wants a fair fight and his RM isn't broken, but here he is enforcing rules on a planet destroying being to the point where even Leysritt can beat it safely in a wrestling match.
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Yeah, because ORT would smash Herakles.
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Satoshi began sweating. "Alright, in order to make this contest fair, the rules are as follows. Firstly, only opponents of similar size and physiology may enter the ring to fight. Secondly, this is a physical contest, as such no mid or long range attacks may be used. Thirdly, this is a skill contest, therefore no artificial weapons may be used. Fourth, only human strength applies". With the rules set, Satoshi gave a pained sigh.
I think this is how Leys managed to actually beat ORT.
That said, I have no idea how the hell Satoshi's RM is even able to enforce these rules, much less on a TYPE.
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Even if you were to limit ORT's strength to human standards it would still be hax. Like EX with A+++ and crap.
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I don't think I follow. xD
"Human strength" is "human strength". Not "superhuman strength".
Still no idea how Satoshi managed that, but yeah.
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It's because they're in an arena where Satoshi's is practically god. This isn't his RM if I remember right. Its a place where he can make any rule and basically has the equivalent of Arc's stat boost.
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Wouldn't ORT be able to passively crush whatever Satoshi made like it does with Gaia's Reality Marble?
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Yes. The Crystal Valley will always form wherever ORT is. If it can overwrite Gaia's RM nothing else should stop it.
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And when it wills something in an active way...
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Everyone aside from the three mentioned are types, so crystal valley is no. Human strength means it Umbra, ORT ceases to be stronger than a normal human. The Arena harnesses energy, during matches this energy is applied to the referee, elsewise is applied to the champion of the Arena. The purpose is to define who the strongest life form in the universe. It's not on a planet, it's a space ship.
Lyco, I will say this only this once. Of Swords and Sorcery is not a lemon, it doesn't contain sex scenes. Stop inferring that it does.
The Arena is what does it YOLF and only for the official present.
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If it's a spaceship, than ORT has it even easier without Gaia's RM.
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Everyone aside from the three mentioned are types, so crystal valley is no. Human strength means it Umbra, ORT ceases to be stronger than a normal human. The Arena harnesses energy, during matches this energy is applied to the referee, elsewise is applied to the champion of the Arena. The purpose is to define who the strongest life form in the universe. It's not on a planet, it's a space ship.
Lyco, I will say this only this once. Of Swords and Sorcery is not a lemon, it doesn't contain sex scenes. Stop inferring that it does.
The Arena is what does it YOLF and only for the official present.
So Satoshi is a cheater than. He handicapped a superior fighter to let Leysritt win.
Edit: I also don't get why Satoshi is the referee. He is far from an impartial judge.
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No Kat, the fifty thousand types in the stands make it impossible.
he didn't cheat, not in the strictest sense. I totally agree it was unfair though. However the universe and his family come first.
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So... in an event to determine the strongest life form in the universe, Satoshi made ORT restrict itself to the strength of a puny, measly human out of bias for the other fighter?
Then what's the point?
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Wait hold on. This is to fight CM infected with Angra Mainyu?
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So nepotism is more important than the fate of universe or something. Truly a "hero", that Satoshi.
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I'm not sure I understand that question YOLF.
Merlin and companies ultimate plan is such Umbra, this event. Or rather the end of the events in this particular universe are a part of that plan although, to be clear, Satoshi has no knowledge of what the plan includes.
reread my post Kat, it says universe in it.
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I'm not sure I understand that question YOLF.
Allow me to be blunt.
Everyone aside from the three mentioned are types, so crystal valley is no. Human strength means it Umbra, ORT ceases to be stronger than a normal human. The Arena harnesses energy, during matches this energy is applied to the referee, elsewise is applied to the champion of the Arena. The purpose is to define who the strongest life form in the universe.
If the purpose of the tournament/battle royale/event is to determine the strongest life form in the universe, why limit the fighters (in the ORT vs Leysritt match at least) to what is not their full, natural strength? I get that Satoshi did it to give Leys an edge and a chance against her opponent, but that way it totally defeats the point of the exercise!
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Satoshis is a "good referee" in the sense that he's following in the footsteps of the "third team": SEC refs.
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Lantz there is no way for CM to ever be infected by Angra. One would be the fact that he's been killed by Zeltretch. If he even managed to never have that encounter there is always the idea that CM would just eliminate humanity. Then we can get into the fact that CM could annihilate Angra. Even if the whole world was covered CM could wipe out every piece.
"No True Ancestor can become the Crimson Moon, because they're all imperfect that they can't reach his level of purity. Except Arc."
There is also this. CM stands alone. No fusing with silly Gaian stuff(Thanks to Bridge for clarification).
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You answered the question yourself YOLF to give Leysritt an edge.
I said he was the referee Lyco, never said anything about being good or fair
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Lantz there is no way for CM to ever be infected by Angra. One would be the fact that he's been killed by Zeltretch. If he even managed to never have that encounter there is always the idea that CM would just eliminate humanity. Then we can get into the fact that CM could annihilate Angra. Even if the whole world was covered CM could wipe out every piece.
"No True Ancestor can become the Crimson Moon, because they're all imperfect that they can't reach his level of purity. Except Arc."
There is also this. CM stands alone. No fusing with silly Gaian stuff(Thanks to Bridge for clarification).
pls respond. Also what fool made him the referee?
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You answered the question yourself YOLF to give Leysritt an edge.
Yeah, okay, but doesn't the method really completely ignore the point of the competition? Why would he even be allowed to do so, how come the crowds (assuming TYPEs even care) didn't go up in a riot about this blatant handicap? A handicap that, I might add, produced an pretty unfaithful result as far as who the actual "strongest in the universe" is.
That's kind of what's confusing me.
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pls respond. Also what fool made him the referee?
Obviously he volunteered himself. And referees are supposed to be impartial and fair, but no, of course Satoshi is "above" such things.
And the crowd is most likely based off of DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho tournaments blended with football and wrestling.
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So Leysritt gets picked over ORT and most likely gets stomped by a Type tier villain, only for Satoshi save the day with his gonzo powers that make Samuel Haight blush.
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Posted before you so I didn't see your reply till now. Andromeda made him referee.
in order of your statements. He's not infected, saw the future, Angra joined forces with CM specifically to die.
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Who is Andromeda? The embodiment of Blood Fort that Satoshi has stuck his dick in?
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Oi, guys, tone it down.
I'd appreciate an answer to my previous post, however.
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Lyco you've broken the rules, please leave
Crowds don't go against the ref YOLF, plus combat can any number of problems to it so they see it as fair.
no Kat, they leave after Leysritt is declared Type universe.
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Satoshis is a "good referee" in the sense that he's following in the footsteps of the "third team": SEC refs.
Yeah, Satoshi here is pretty obviously an intentionally-biased referee trying to ensure one side wins. But, as Lantz says, it's to save an entire universe, so I don't think he can really be blamed for that....
Who is Andromeda? The embodiment of Blood Fort that Satoshi has stuck his dick in?
Type Andromeda. I presume that is the Type that represents the Andromeda Galaxy (the closest galaxy to us).
Not sure how Type Mercury (a planet) is able to defeat the ultimate lifeform of an entire galaxy mind....
Posted before you so I didn't see your reply till now. Andromeda made him referee.
Why?
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Posted before you so I didn't see your reply till now. Andromeda made him referee.
in order of your statements. He's not infected, saw the future, Angra joined forces with CM specifically to die.
AM doesn't have a personality or a self will. It's nothingness. It's literally a machine that is designed to fufill a goal, the destruction of mankind. It's not like the human Avenger was who actually had emotions, it's literally a machine. It doesn't want to die. It doesn't want to do anything. It HAS to kill everything. It is incapable of wanting anything.
"I am originally nothingness. I don't have love or regrets. Since I'm originally something that can neither think nor do anything."
-Avenger (FHA)
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Lyco you've broken the rules, please leave
Crowds don't go against the ref YOLF, plus combat can any number of problems to it so they see it as fair.
no Kat, they leave after Leysritt is declared Type universe.
I can understand crows not going against the referee officially, but it's pretty natural for crowds to boo and pick on the person filling that role if they think he or she is being unfair. You say they actually see this case as fair because trial by combat can solve any number of problems, but that is what I still don't understand.
The combat was setup so neither side had access to their real strength. And this heavily benefitted one side over the other due to a massive power difference. Unless every other match happened in the exact same conditions (in which case the end result still wouldn't reflect the actual strongest being amongst the competitors), this was a decision which did nothing but provide an extremely fallacious and unfair ending.
Unfair because, other TYPEs and competitors would likely have had much better chances against ORT (and better chances at becoming the champion/TYPE-Universe/whatever) if they had fought it under the same conditions as Leysritt did. This is why I question that no one or anything objected to Satoshi's ruling.
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Andromeda is like hulk Hogan, a wwf wrestling star, he beat Satoshi and made him ref because it was "Awesome"
excuse my error in communication. Angra is not host less in this case Umbra, the group at current doesn't know that however.
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no Kat, they leave after Leysritt is declared Type universe.
Leysritt has neither power nor world corrossive will, so I find it shattering the suspension of disbelief.
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Disbelief of what? A shiny belt?
the fight isn't shown YOLF. I never said they didn't jeer or boo though, also people are placing bets so there's that side of it too.
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Andromeda is like hulk Hogan, a wwf wrestling star, he beat Satoshi and made him ref because it was "Awesome"
So Andromeda is a wrestler and Mercury/ORT is a Leysritt clone...despite Andromeda being named after a heroine in Greco-Roman mythology and Mercury being named after the male Greco-Roman god.
Type Venus is at least the same gender as her namesake.
no Kat, they leave after Leysritt is declared Type universe.
What the fuck.
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excuse my error in communication. Angra is not host less in this case Umbra, the group at current doesn't know that however.
"No True Ancestor can become the Crimson Moon, because they're all imperfect that they can't reach his level of purity. Except Arc."
There is also this. CM stands alone. No fusing with silly Gaian stuff(Thanks to Bridge for clarification).
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It's the real crimson moon Umbra, he saw the future and killed Zelretch.
they aren't fused, he's wearing it like armour
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But Crimson Moon does not have capability to see future.
they aren't fused, he's wearing it like armour
The heck?
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Correct, CM doesn't have the ability to see the future, obviously someone helped him.
Armour is a thing Kat
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Andromeda is like hulk Hogan, a wwf wrestling star, he beat Satoshi and made him ref because it was "Awesome"
Is... there a reason behind this, or did you just go "Right. TYPE-Andromeda. What, should he look like....? HULK HOGAN. That sounds right"?
the fight isn't shown YOLF. I never said they didn't jeer or boo though, also people are placing bets so there's that side of it too.
That was not my point. I didn't mention jeers or boos in regards to the fight, but Satoshi's ruling for the fight, and the result, and the conditions he placed.
Look. Let me put it this way.
Assuming that the way you're writing your TYPEs doesn't seem to be "alien beings of overwhelming power unrestricted by physical laws, with an unearthly perspective and inhuman mentality, or lacking even a human-like perception of self"...
Do they not have at least a little edge of something like pride? I mean, wouldn't... the TYPEs who lost in the battles so far feel kinda cheated that Leyritt won against ORT in the way she did, when normally a number of them would've very easily crushed her with their true forms, not to mention ORT himself?
Or to be even clearer. Imagine you're a TYPE. And you have power that would easily have allowed you to destroy someone like Leysritt. You lost to ORT. Okay, ORT is actually much stronger than you. But then, the referee decrees a power restriction for the next match. And a puny thing that you could've beaten, like Leys, defeats ORT and takes the title. Not because she's actually stronger than it. But because she was fighting it on equal ground enforced by the referee. And you think "I could easily win against her, what the hell", and "If I had fought ORT like that I could've won too, damnit".
Would you not feel completely cheated? Or unfairly judged?
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Talks like, not looks like.
if any of the previous combatants were alive you'd be right YOLF
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Isn't Andromeda alive, though?
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Yes, although no one else is
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Isn't Andromeda annoyed at Toshi doing this? And, for that matter, how did she get to pick the ref in the first place?
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She might be, if she weren't in an ICU.
the champion chooses the referee from the assembled opponents, Toshi was the "strongest" among those assembled.
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She might be, if she weren't in an ICU.
the champion chooses the referee from the assembled opponents, Toshi was the "strongest" among those assembled.
wat
Any Type could squish him.
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She might be, if she weren't in an ICU.
the champion chooses the referee from the assembled opponents, Toshi was the "strongest" among those assembled.
But, isn't Mercury the champion?
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Yeah Umbra, hence the quotes. In translation it means he's the only one Andromeda didn't kill.
Mercury was not the champion, she just won the fight with Andromeda and before Satoshi could declare her champion the events in the work occur.
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Armour is a thing Kat
In what sense?
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Yeah Umbra, hence the quotes. In translation it means he's the only one Andromeda didn't kill.
Mercury was not the champion, she just won the fight with Andromeda and before Satoshi could declare her champion the events in the work occur.
why?
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Because he has Avalon, I presume.
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That Avalon kills any suspense since Satoshi is untouchable >_>
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Because he has Avalon, I presume.
You can't regenerate if there is nothing left. You can't come back from being a smear on the ground, or being vaporized.
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Yeah Umbra no, unkillable means just that. The opponent's strength only slows regeneration, never stops it.
Satoshi doesn't fight for himself, further living doesn't constitute winning.
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Because he has Avalon, I presume.
You can't regenerate if there is nothing left. You can't come back from being a smear on the ground, or being vaporized.
Except nothing can even hurt him. Dude, Avalon can tank ea even at full power. Puny Types can do nothing to Satoshi.
Also, its a good thing this is omake. Its both confusing and the nasuverse continuity is being fucked up for the sake of this story working. Lantz, you pull in Nasuverse characters and then say its similar to their universe but all the important bits are different. Have you considered explaining any of this before throwing out such a weird situation? At this point, its Nasuverse in name only.
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Qwerty watch your attitude.
if you can't deal with the bizarre in a story about alternate worlds then leave.
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Yeah, to be fair, we know that, canonically, things like Magical Girls exist somewhere in the Nasuverse multiverse, so there are definitely some weird AUs out there....
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Take Prisma Illya with a pinch of salt as far as canonicity is concerned.
Unless you just meant Mahou Shoujo Kaleido Ruby Rin as she shows up in FHA. I'd still take it with a pinch of salt.
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Yeah, to be fair, we know that, canonically, things like Magical Girls exist somewhere in the Nasuverse multiverse, so there are definitely some weird AUs out there....
Except that's still partially the result of the Kaleido sticks messing around with their wielders out of spite, plus still makes sense(...-ish) in the context of the greater Nasuverse. Plus it's not taken completely seriously. A lot of the stuff in SaS though just does not gel though, nor would it in most continuities for that matter.
If weird stuff happens in a story, suspension of disbelief has to remain intact or the weird stuff comes off as completely implausible and thus any immersion is lost. All the time is spent questioning what the hell is going on and why and being frustrated about how ridiculous it seems instead of actually enjoying the story.
It's fine to write for yourself, but you have to have at least some consideration for your readers. The problem is that lantz isn't really considering what they would enjoy, just projecting what he enjoys and comes to the conclusion that either everyone thinks the same or those that don't just don't "appreciate" what he's written. Which is a huge problem.
That's why there's a lot of frustration with lantz and his work even though people would be better inclined to ignore it. It unintentionally creates a sense of being insulted and belittled for the readers, and combined with lantz's attitude towards criticism, this makes people angry, to the point of becoming hostile.
...And then here we are now.
lantz, your problem is that while you (occasionally) listen to criticism, you don't really listen to it. That's why people have become so frustrated and even outright hostile. If you want this to stop, you actually need to heed what people say and stop dismissing it as "attacks."
Even the harshly worded of criticism can have value, after all, if it leads you to improve, but you don't even take the majority of criticism into account because you are way too quick to dismiss it as an "attack." If you'd stop that, people would honestly be more receptive towards you, assuming those bridges haven't already been burned by people being this frustrated for this long.
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Except that's still partially the result of the Kaleido sticks messing around with their wielders out of spite, plus still makes sense(...-ish) in the context of the greater Nasuverse. Plus it's not taken completely seriously. A lot of the stuff in SaS though just does not gel though, nor would it in most continuities for that matter.
Yeah, and the Kaleidostick works by taking AU versions of the wielder. Which means that, somewhere, there is a universe where Rin is a Magical Girl....
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That's not actually how that works. The form taken is purely trolling by Ruby. It's the prana that's taken from alternate universes.
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Ok Alice, by your logic I should have Sakura die unceremoniously with absolutely no guilt on MOS Shirou. Obviously I would never do that but that's the criticisms some people give regarding Sakura.
Proper criticism needs no violence or vulgarity, I'll never waver on that principle Alice. I listen to critics Alice, among them have been Kaiza, Altima, DP, RoadBuster, Elf, there's more than just those as well. I'm not close minded by any stretch, I just don't cave and take every piece of advice as necessary because I am not here to please everyone, nor would ever try.
the story has different moments, funny, warm, painful and yes ridiculous because in an infinite number of realities some are completely different or outright crazy. If you don't like it then don't read it.
his reality is much more conventional in regards to the Nasuverse rules, temporal events aside.
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It's not problem about being bizarre, the problem lies in Satoshi being overpowered to the point he makes more famous Sues and Stus like Samuel Haight blush. Avalon alone makes story featuring of him devoid of suspense, not to mention other overpowered skills like reviving death (True Ressurection is impossible in Nasuverse under but most exceptional circumstances).
I'm not close minded by any stretch, I just don't cave and take every piece of advice as necessary because I am not here to please everyone, nor would ever try.
Everyone has his own style, but if the criticism is objective and one doesn't accept it, one loses respect of the audience. If most of people keep pointing out at the same flaws for YEARS, it's more probable they are in right than the author.
And once again, about the multiverse fallacy. In Nasuverse, not everything is possible. Kotomine ALWAYS dies at the conclusion of 5th Grail War, whether he wins or not.
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I don't buy your opinion on the multiverse. Satoshi isn't overpowered and in current medicine you can revive someone before brain death. So I don't buy his outward healing being OP. He's not a Mary sue, I find that word a disgusting and lazy (as well as hateful) term which only trolls and idiots use. It is utterly the worse thing to say because beyond being insulting it is by no means helpful. It says nothing other than that the speaker is a loudmouth twat unable to actually explain an issue.
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Lantz, Kat's view on the multiverse in the Nasuverse isn't an opinion. If Kotomine always dies at the end of the 5th HGW then there must be other constants. Some things cannot be changed.
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only trolls and idiots use.
Except it's established term in a larger fan fiction writing community which even Wikipedia acknowledges. Which characteristics Satoshi unfortunately meets at least partly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue)
n current medicine you can revive someone before brain death
You overestimate modern medicine if you think it can pull off feats like Avalon or Sorceries.
loudmouth twat
Rude.
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Sorry Umbra but the many worlds theory accounts for basically every variable being explored and as such I can't believe anything is one hundred percent fixed. What if there's no grail war? It's just one example but there kirei would live.
I don't recall Nasu busting out WoG on physics, quantum mechanics, quantum physics and what is or is not possible period within the Nasuverse or any parallel world as such. Show me a word of god that says 100% impossible for Kirei to live, show me that alternate worlds, time travel, healing magical or otherwise will not work. If you can't. Umbra then I have the right to my interpretation.
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Hollow Ataraxia. Within the dream world Avenger creates he can generate anything no matter how small the chance of it happening is. Kirei is not in HA because he cannot survive after the 5th HGW has ended. If there was a chance of Kirei surviving the HGW than he would be in HA, but he isn't .
"Upon surviving the 4th war, that man was promised certain death on the 5th"
-Avenger
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Show me a word of god that says 100% impossible for Kirei to live
Read Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. Avenger explicitly states why Kirei does not appear in the dream world he created, because only possible outcomes can manifest, and Kirei's survival is impossible.
quantum mechanics, quantum physics
Don't tell me you actually believe that with quantum physics everything is possible. Quantum physics is heavy on probability, and only things possible can happen. Impossible cannot happen. Unfortunately, the belief in quantum physics' omnipotence is the major superstition of 21st century which needs to be rooted out.
Sorry Umbra but the many worlds theory accounts for basically every variable being explored and as such I can't believe anything is one hundred percent fixed. What if there's no grail war? It's just one example but there kirei would live.
Except Nasu states it clearly. His word outweighs your speculations.
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If you intend on persisting with the opinion that Satoshi is a mary Sue Kat then you might as well go. It's not viable feed back.
Umbra that's a cop out excuse that I just defeated, if the condition for his death is the 5th war and that is removed then he lives. It's a road block condition that I can rattle off hundreds of ways to get around.
if one change occurs we all breathe water, one tiny change. I view things as full not empty, possibility is the key word. However unlikely there's a universe for it if you go far enough and change enough conditions. That's the fun of the multiple worlds concept.
Unfortunately none of you seem to appreciate the concept.
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Unless Saber destroyed the Grail that will not happen. If Saber does destroy the Grail but Kirei is still soaked his life support from the Grail will still fail which will kill him in time(about the time of the 5th war). If she destroys the Grail before that happens then he will die from his wounds.
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What if Kirei never gets wounded? Can't die of wounds he doesn't have.
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Then Kiritsugu dies and the world gets flooded with mud?
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Exactly, and Kirei gets killed in the process. Kirei's victory is always his death.
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And what if he doesn't die at that moment? What if he survives unscathed?
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Kirei is going to die if Angra is unleashed which he will do if he isn't killed by Kiritsugu. If he's killed it results in Grail life support which runs out by the 5th HGW.
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Terribly sorry Umbra but that isn't an answer to my question. In the end I'm unconvinced so it's just a point to drop.
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And what if he doesn't die at that moment? What if he survived unscathed?
If he survives, then this will happen: Kirei will release AM, and then will die. The end.
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Doesn't actually disprove what I asked, I'm unconvinced so the subject is best dropped.
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And what if he doesn't die at that moment? What if he survives unscathed?
If Kotomine survives the fight unscathed that means Kiritsugu is dead. This means no Saber to blast the grail. It also means that the Angra will be born and humanity will go extinct. This includes Kotomine.
Edit: I hate spellcheck
Edit2: If you're talking about surviving Angra then lolno. Angra will definitely kill him.
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Kinoko Nasu, creator of the canon work from which you draw your ideas and write your stories about has stated, in the canon work, that Kirei will not survive the 5th grail war. There was no possible outcome for him to survive it.
Hollow Ataraxia. Within the dream world Avenger creates he can generate anything no matter how small the chance of it happening is. Kirei is not in HA because he cannot survive after the 5th HGW has ended. If there was a chance of Kirei surviving the HGW than he would be in HA, but he isn't .
"Upon surviving the 4th war, that man was promised certain death on the 5th"
-Avenger
It not only disproves your point lantz, it completely destroys it. This is the reality of what would happen. It's pretty simple.
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Already countered that when Umbra brought it up mooncake, fact is, with an infinite number of variables the exception will occur.
so drop it and move on or otherwise leave the thread if you have nothing else to say.
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And what if he doesn't die at that moment? What if he survives unscathed?
If Kotomine survives the fight unscathed that means Kiritsugu is dead. This means no Saber to blast the grail. It also means that the Angra will be born and humanity will go extinct. This includes Kotomine.
Edit: I hate spellcheck
Edit2: If you're talking about surviving Angra then lolno. Angra will definitely kill him.
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Hollow Ataraxia. Within the dream world Avenger creates he can generate anything no matter how small the chance of it happening is. Kirei is not in HA because he cannot survive after the 5th HGW has ended. If there was a chance of Kirei surviving the HGW than he would be in HA, but he isn't .
"Upon surviving the 4th war, that man was promised certain death on the 5th"
-Avenger
Like Lantz said, what if there is no Grail War, or the 4th War is different?
Don't tell me you actually believe that with quantum physics everything is possible. Quantum physics is heavy on probability, and only things possible can happen. Impossible cannot happen. Unfortunately, the belief in quantum physics' omnipotence is the major superstition of 21st century which needs to be rooted out.
It is true that Many-Worlds theory only allows the possible to happen, but Quantum Theory also says that there is a (very) small but non-zero probability of you walking through a wall, so it allows for a lot of weird shit. Further, because of the Chaotic nature of the world, a hell of a lot of things can change through quantum events (things like the weather, genetic mutations and possibly mental processes are all likely affected by quantum events in some way). Now, obviously some things can't be done. No amount of randomness is going to make Shirou fundamentally evil (without making him "Shirou in name only", anyway) or cause a person to do things they normally wouldn't do (although it can, of course, change who the person is), but you can get a hell of a lot out of it.
Of course, the vast majority of worlds would be ones in which the canon characters simply did not exist in their current forms, but somewhere out there would be worlds with a very different history where those people still somehow came into existence.
Unless Saber destroyed the Grail that will not happen. If Saber does destroy the Grail but Kirei is still soaked his life support from the Grail will still fail which will kill him in time(about the time of the 5th war). If she destroys the Grail before that happens then he will die from his wounds.
Sorry, I think you're being way too rigid here. There are certainly going to be universes out there in which the Grail Wars stopped a long time ago (indeed, Prisma Ilya is one of them, IIRC).
Kinoko Nasu, creator of the canon work from which you draw your ideas and write your stories about has stated, in the canon work, that Kirei will not survive the 5th grail war. There was no possible outcome for him to survive it.
Yes, given the assumption that the 4th war went the same way (which is necessary for HA since changing the 4th war changes the characters in the 5th). But, there is no reason to assume the 4th war cannot change. After all, the 5th war has 3 very different paths (minimum), so why shouldn't the 4th war be the same? Just because we only see one path for that war, it doesn't mean others cannot exist.
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Surviving doesn't mean Angra just means out of range etcetera.
in the end my previous post nails this to the wall infinite variables, infinite possible differences, the exception need only occur once but it will occur.
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Beingg out of range of Angra's mud doesn't work. Kirei would need to be in a plane. Then he would starve because all of the earth is covered in grail mud.
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Fair enough Umbra but my other point stands. If the fourth war changes then how can you say he dies in the fifth 100% of the time?
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No amount of randomness is going to make Shirou fundamentally evil (without making him "Shirou in name only", anyway) or cause a person to do things they normally wouldn't do (although it can, of course, change who the person is)
Then Lantz has no excuse to make canon characters act OOC, then.
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No amount of randomness is going to make Shirou fundamentally evil (without making him "Shirou in name only", anyway) or cause a person to do things they normally wouldn't do (although it can, of course, change who the person is)
Then Lantz have no excuse to make canon characters act OOC, then.
Well, not entirely, because you could have a version of the character whose upbringing and, therefore, actions are different, or just a version who has the same name but different genes.
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And if the world is flipped like so many stories do then I have a full reason to change their characterization to fit in line with it.
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Then these characters are OCs and in no way true canon characters.
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You understand nothing about this kind of story then Kat, I think in light of that fact you should probably desist your frequenting of this thread.
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Then these characters are OCs and in no way true canon characters.
They're no more "OCs" than my Sakura, Rider or Shirou in Cross Effects are. Just because their personality developed differently due to circumstances, it doesn't mean they're not still fundamentally the same characters.
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Fair enough Umbra but my other point stands. If the fourth war changes then how can you say he dies in the fifth 100% of the time?
Because if there was a possibility then Kotomine would have been in HA. Kirei will never live past the fifth HGW. Avenger confirmed it.
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Hollow Ataraxia. Within the dream world Avenger creates he can generate anything no matter how small the chance of it happening is. Kirei is not in HA because he cannot survive after the 5th HGW has ended. If there was a chance of Kirei surviving the HGW than he would be in HA, but he isn't .
"Upon surviving the 4th war, that man was promised certain death on the 5th"
-Avenger
Like Lantz said, what if there is no Grail War, or the 4th War is different?only see one path for that war, it doesn't mean others cannot exist.
One things to understand here:
Context. After the 4th grail war happens as it does in Zero, the fifth is 100% not survivable for him. You can say "Hurr but what if 4th changed," but that's unimportant, because what Avenger is saying up there isn't "COMPLETE AND ALL-ENCOMPASSING STATEMENT" it's "After the 4th grail war(as it actually happened) happened, Kirei can never survive the fifth."
See if "everything is possible" as Lantz decrees with his nerfed pro wrestler TYPEs and... Satoshi's entire birth circumstances, then even with the 4th happening as it did in canon, Kirei would have a way to survive the fifth grail war. Except Nasu, word of god, original author, directly contradicts him and his idea in F/HA.
Therefore everything is not possible.
Also, this thread is absolutely hilarious for all of the wrong reasons, my sides literally split in half, typing from hospital
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Fair enough Umbra but my other point stands. If the fourth war changes then how can you say he dies in the fifth 100% of the time?
Because if there was a possibility then Kotomine would have been in HA. Kirei will never live past the fifth HGW. Avenger confirmed it.
Erm, again, that assumes that the Fourth War never changed. There is no reason whatsoever why the Fourth War couldn't take a path that results in Kotomine never getting anywhere near AM. Avenger's statement is that, given what happened in the Fourth War, Kotomine cannot survive the Fifth. If the Fourth War changes, then there is no reason he cannot.
Once again, you're thinking too rigidly. The Fourth War could go totally differently (see the difference between HF and Fate, for example), and Kotomine could end up getting taken out of the war without doing much at all. To claim that is impossible based on what Avenger said is stupid, because he is working from the basis that the Fourth War is fixed, since if it is not the characters change significantly.
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You say the 4th war can change but not how. You've literally said nothing about how it could change other than lol infinite worlds.
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What you Umbra, Names are preaching is stillness and stagnation. I reject them both as they are the death of creativity. As such this argument becomes pointless. You can drop the point and move on to another subject or leave the thread, please.
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You say the 4th war can change but not how. You've literally said nothing about how it could change other than lol infinite worlds.
Why should I need to? I don't know exactly what can change, just that things can change, and we know from the 5th war that those changes can have a massive effect. Why should the 4th war be any different?
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^^I don't think so. I completely support the infinite worlds as lo g as you can back your AU up. I've asked you the questions and you've refused to back up your argument other than saying that infinite worlds says everything is possible so I don't have to explain. That's all I've gotten out of their this because you've offered no way to change the 4th war to ensure Kotomine's survival..
^ I just want an explanation other than it could happen somehow. If I said Samurai could become evil but never mention AM I doubt you would be happy. Youre telling me something can happen without saying how.
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Kirei fights his nature and becomes a hero.
alternately everyone in Zero grows a brain and avoids the idiot ball required of a prequel.
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Kirei cannot fight his nature. That is all he is. He's better off committing suicide.
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Umbra that is so god damn offensive. Seriously topic dropped now.
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Kirei fights his nature and becomes a hero.
Except thats 100% impossible and not offensive at all.
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Brah, leave, now please.
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"I can't argue with you coz you're right so get out"
Lantz you're seriously the most pathetic sub-human in the entire TM fandom.
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^ I just want an explanation other than it could happen somehow. If I said Samurai could become evil but never mention AM I doubt you would be happy. Youre telling me something can happen without saying how.
We know that alternate paths are possible because we've seen FSN. I doubt that, having watched only Fate, you could predict the events of UBW or HF (or even that they could happen), so I see no reason why I should be expected to do the same.
Plus, honestly, I don't remember Zero well enough to see the likely divergence points. I just find it highly improbable that, whilst the fifth war has, at minimum, three completely different paths (ignoring the Bad Ends), the fourth war would be rigidly fixed to just one possible route.
"I can't argue with you coz you're right so get out"
Lantz you're seriously the most pathetic sub-human in the entire TM fandom.
OK, Brah, get out right now. Disliking Lantz's work and giving criticism of it is fine, personal attacks and insults are not. I will not tolerate any of this crap.
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Umbra basically advocated suicide in lieu of self improvement or change, I won't tolerate such speech, now Brah take your abusive language and leave.
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There is no change for Kirei Lantz. That is his life. There is nothing more for him than that. You have as much of a chance as making Shirou evil.
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I don't think that's entirely true. Kotomine will only ever get pleasure from suffering, but that doesn't mean he can't have morals and follow those morals. Hell, for all his fundamentally good nature, even Shirou can still end up doing evil things. Archer in UBW, for example, does some pretty horrible things, and MoS Shirou does as well.
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But even those actions can be called good. He is saving innocents isn't he? Kirei will never be able to obtain satisfaction from being good. He would only exist purposeless and unhappy. He either chooses accepts his nature, commits suicide, or leaves himself unhappy and purposeless until he dies.
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Umbra, seriously, shut it. It is a very very very offensive thing you are advocating here. Stop, now.
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But even those actions can be called good. He is saving innocents isn't he? Kirei will never be able to obtain satisfaction from being good. He would only exist purposeless and unhappy. He either chooses accepts his nature, commits suicide, or leaves himself unhappy and purposeless until he dies.
I wouldn't say what he did in MoS was "good".
Plus, why wouldn't Kotomine be able to follow a path like Archer followed? Archer hated it because, despite trying to do good, he ended up hurting people, but Kotomine would love it. He gets to hurt people, but he does it for a greater cause. He is far more suited to that path than Shirou is.
Anyway, please drop the "Kotomine should just kill himself" thing. Advocating that someone should commit suicide because they are "unsalvagable" is obviously something that upsets Lantz personally, and I think this is going to turn nasty if it keeps going.
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For once I agree with lantz: please shut up about suicide, Umbra.
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What you Umbra, Names are preaching is stillness and stagnation. I reject them both as they are the death of creativity. As such this argument becomes pointless. You can drop the point and move on to another subject or leave the thread, please.
A world in which some things are possible and yet some things are 100% impossible is somehow the death of creativity?
This is funny to me
because it's the opposite, really, a world where you can't do everything forces you to be creative
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In some cases yes names, from a design standpoint and story telling standpoint (especially when dealing with Many worlds) I disagree. Freedom let's you create unique setups. If every world here were just the nasuverse stock standard it would be repetitive at best.
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But even those actions can be called good. He is saving innocents isn't he? Kirei will never be able to obtain satisfaction from being good. He would only exist purposeless and unhappy. He either chooses accepts his nature, commits suicide, or leaves himself unhappy and purposeless until he dies.
I wouldn't say what he did in MoS was "good".
Plus, why wouldn't Kotomine be able to follow a path like Archer followed? Archer hated it because, despite trying to do good, he ended up hurting people, but Kotomine would love it. He gets to hurt people, but he does it for a greater cause. He is far more suited to that path than Shirou is.
God. HS KOTOMINE would be a beautiful thing. Also lantz there are things that are possible and that are not possible. Just because a few things aren't possible doesn't mean the death of creativity. However I doubt that what I say matters to you. Farewell lantz, try to understand that even the harshest criticism has a point.
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By the way, since Mike acted on something Brah said while I was gone...
I don't buy your opinion on the multiverse. Satoshi isn't overpowered and in current medicine you can revive someone before brain death. So I don't buy his outward healing being OP. He's not a Mary sue, I find that word a disgusting and lazy (as well as hateful) term which only trolls and idiots use. It is utterly the worse thing to say because beyond being insulting it is by no means helpful. It says nothing other than that the speaker is a loudmouth twat unable to actually explain an issue.
Emphasis mine. Don't go around reporting "abuse" and then turn around and do it yourself.
This is a warning lantz. Knock it off.
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Right, then Brah, you have a warning as well, because what you said is completely out of order.
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I referred to no one Alice, I stated my opinion on the usage of a word. Like the words retard, ni***r , faggot and so on I find Mary sue offensive. You've misread my post, common since I have grammar problems but not at all fair.
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Right, then Brah, you have a warning as well, because what you said is completely out of order.
Oh, how fedorable, as soon as your BFF5eva gets hit with the moderation stick you have to beat people with it too.
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Right, then Brah, you have a warning as well, because what you said is completely out of order.
Oh, how fedorable, as soon as your BFF5eva gets hit with the moderation stick you have to beat people with it too.
I was considering it anyway, I waited out of courtesy to the rest of the team, but since Alice seemed to be OK with handing out a warning without consultation, I saw no reason not to do the same.
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To copy your own favorite word, how fascistic.
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...Then fine. I quit.
I've had enough of lantz getting special treatment. I'm tired of lantz being allowed to say this type of shit to me and others when we're doubly hard on anyone that says the same back. I'm not saying that's right on their end, I'm saying I'm sick and fucking tired of seeing someone who has made my life a living hell and is an overall detriment to the forum continue to get special treatment, and have every bad thing they've said about me just be dismissed as "an opinion," by his bestest buddy that's supposedly my friend.
So yeah, fuck this. I'm done.
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...Yeah, Mike, you brought that one on yourself.
There's such a fucking double standard when Lantz is around because of you. He's just exploiting the hell out of the fact that you refuse to allow him to be banned and overlook it when he acts like a fucking prick to everyone.
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...Then fine. I quit.
I've had enough of lantz getting special treatment. I'm tired of lantz being allowed to say this type of shit to me and others when we're doubly hard on anyone that says the same back. I'm not saying that's right on their end, I'm saying I'm sick and fucking tired of seeing someone who has made my life a living hell and is an overall detriment to the forum continue to get special treatment, and have every bad thing they've said about me just be dismissed as "an opinion," by his bestest buddy that's supposedly my friend.
So yeah, fuck this. I'm done.
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Arch, get out, you are not welcome in this thread.
@Alice: for god's sake Alice, you misread my post, it's not the first time posts have been unclear. You do it frequently and have called me some very unforgivable things in the past and I let it go. Despite what you think I'm not attacking you when I post. For fucks sakes Names will agree that I have grammar issues, the fact that you ignore that and assume I attack you is very frustrating and unfair.
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Arch, get out, you are not welcome in this thread.
@Alice: for god's sake Alice, you misread my post, it's not the first time posts have been unclear. You do it frequently and have called me some very unforgivable things in the past and I let it go. Despite what you think I'm not attacking you when I post. For fucks sakes Names will agree that I have grammar issues, the fact that you ignore that and assume I attack you is very frustrating and unfair.
Lantz stop being a tool about this. You are literally the kind of person i'd stab with a prison shank if I met you in real life.
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Brah, get the fuck out right now. That sort of threat is absolutely not acceptable.
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Arch, get out, you are not welcome in this thread.
@Alice: for god's sake Alice, you misread my post, it's not the first time posts have been unclear. You do it frequently and have called me some very unforgivable things in the past and I let it go. Despite what you think I'm not attacking you when I post. For fucks sakes Names will agree that I have grammar issues, the fact that you ignore that and assume I attack you is very frustrating and unfair.
Yeah, no, fuck you.
The problem is every post you make is unclear; your grammar is atrocious, any time someone sends a smidge of negative opinion or shit at you, you suddenly get all defensive and accusing us of attacking you, then you actually fucking start flaming and claim you aren't and hide behind mike's skirts.
Hey, Lantz, would you kindly go fuck yourself for finally causing Alice to quit?
Lantz stop being a tool about this. You are literally the kind of person i'd stab with a prison shank if I met you in real life.
That's far too kind.
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The best part about all this is that Mike has become his own vision of Altima, a "fascist asshole" who covers for his buttboy, except that unlike with Altima, Mike can't actually see that his buttboy is stepping way beyond his moral bounds.
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God, Mike, you need to let Lantz take the moderation that he is due. Anything else is pure favoritism and that is not conducive to the well being of the forum at large.
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Brah, get the fuck out right now. That sort of threat is absolutely not acceptable.
Is cursing like this really acceptable behavior for an administrative official?
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God, Mike, you need to let Lantz take the moderation that he is due. Anything else is pure favoritism and that is not conducive to the well being of the forum at large.
Look, I don't mind Lantz getting fairly moderated, but I know that Alice tends to read more negatively into Lantz's stuff than was meant, and I would much rather that she let KAIZA see what he thinks.
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The best part about all this is that Mike has become his own vision of Altima, a "fascist asshole" who covers for his buttboy, except that unlike with Altima, Mike can't actually see that his buttboy is stepping way beyond his moral bounds.
Brahmastra, I really don't want to hand out warnings, and this matter has already gone to hell in about a million ways. If you want to share this kind of opinion, please don't do it here, say it privately to the people in question.
But bottom line to everyone, lay off this for the time being and don't fan the flames. Please.
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God, Mike, you need to let Lantz take the moderation that he is due. Anything else is pure favoritism and that is not conducive to the well being of the forum at large.
Look, I don't mind Lantz getting fairly moderated, but I know that Alice tends to read more negatively into Lantz's stuff than was meant, and I would much rather that she let KAIZA see what he thinks.
Or maybe you should realize that if Lantz talked like he does to anyone in real life he'd get beaten.
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KAIZA just wants this bullshit over with so he won't debate with you which is sort of the problem.
Lantz needs at least a temp ban for the bullshit he's thrown at us in every thread he's participated in.
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I'll take the warning if Kaiza agrees but I think it's only reasonable that a second set of eyes look at it given that I was improperly banned last time.
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Improper ban my ass.
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I'll take the warning if Kaiza agrees but I think it's only reasonable that a second set of eyes look at it given that I was improperly banned last time.
You were discussing the negatives of rape like it was stubbing your toe, if anything you deserved a month or two for that and another for all the shit you've been giving people for weeks, if not months.
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Mike, please lock the thread, this is polluting it.
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Lantz (and Mike) are why aliens won't talk to us.
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Why don't you all take this to PM's, why are you all acting like such spoiled children?
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Why don't you all take this to PM's, why are you all acting like such spoiled children?
Eh, it kills time.
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I will only say this once. GET OFF THIS THREAD WITH THIS DISCUSSION. TAKE IT TO PRIVATE MESSAGES.
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Listen Alice, we've done the angry back and forth thing before. Luckily we are both people who have admitted we aren't out to get the other. That makes it easier to resolve things like this I think.
in regards to my comment, I really do hate the term Mary Sue. It explains nothing about the problem and the common usage is that a person can't write characters period. This said, I intentionally wrote my post with the intent to get the hatred for the word to be the focus, I was not attempting to insult people. I was being honest about my feelings.
Clearly I screwed up here, I offended you, I'm sorry. To be honest I've wanted to apologize for my moods for awhile, despite what you think Alice I was serious about my depression and having come out of it I've been too embarrassed to PM you regarding my attitude.
for the record, I think you are a nice, intelligent person when not misunderstanding my posts (Seriously I have grammar problem, it's not funny but I'm trying) you shouldn't quit the site, especially because despite my anger in my depression I think you handle Rin well (a bit too well at times ) and the game would be less for your absence.
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Yeah, and I'm also sorry for what I did. I think that Brah's post did deserve a warning, but I shouldn't have given one in anger like that. I should have consulted with you guys first, like I originally intended to, and not used it as a pawn in an argument. And, I'm sorry for how I reacted towards you as well, Alice. I should have been more considerate of how you feel.
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Thank you for the apologies.
After have calmed down... well, a little anyway, I've decided not to quit. It's not fair to everyone else, and I did let everything just kinda get to me finally, so I should have thought things through more carefully.
...I am probably going to take some form of a break though. For how long I'm not sure. Mostly to work off some of the stress and give myself a chance to calm down. This one was somewhat rough on me.
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Thank you for the apologies.
After have calmed down... well, a little anyway, I've decided not to quit. It's not fair to everyone else, and I did let everything just kinda get to me finally, so I should have thought things through more carefully.
...I am probably going to take some form of a break though. For how long I'm not sure. Mostly to work off some of the stress and give myself a chance to calm down. This one was somewhat rough on me.
Gonna sound like I'm pressuring you (which I by all means aren't) but please do refrain from taking a break from the RP :(, lot of stuff (including Elf being able to update) is being stalled by the lack of updates on your parts.
If you really need a break, by all means take one, but the RP has been pretty dead the last little bit because of the reason above.
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That's fair. :) I'll try getting myself calmed down and then post in the RP ASAP. :) ...I've kept you guys waiting for long enough. ^^"
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greattacular
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Right, then Brah, you have a warning as well, because what you said is completely out of order.
Oh, how fedorable, as soon as your BFF5eva gets hit with the moderation stick you have to beat people with it too.
Quoting this because fedorable is amazing.
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Lantz. I'm not exactly a genius when it comes to english (if you saw my report card you'd cry), I also have been recovering from depression myself. I've heard you're also Canadian like me. So unless you're living in a non-english speaking part of the country I think the quality of our grammar should be the same. That and our ability to take criticism should be roughly equal. You can't use them as an everything proof critisism shield. I aparrently have something that makes it so I am incapable of understanding social cues naturally. Look I'm not making people flame me left and right.
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No Gray, my grammar issues aren't simple. I take plenty of criticism Gray, I simply don't tolerate the attitude that insults go hand and hand with criticism.
let's drop this and move this thread back on topic please.
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We are discussing you as a writer and your work on this thread. The issues that you brought up are being further adressed. How we are off topic in any way is beyond me.
Anyways, what are the themes that you are trying to convey with this story Lantz. You keep on trying to say that there is bigger picture and so far I just want to see glimpse of this glorious vision that you promise and strive towards.
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601, it's the TTGL for Nasuverse fiction, it's not about Satoshi, it's about everyone else.
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601, it's the TTGL for Nasuverse fiction, it's not about Satoshi, it's about everyone else.
What does 601 even mean?
It's not all about Satoshi but he is an aspect that this story centers around since you have repeatedly stated that he has his own arc and you refuse to drop the character after multiple people have noted great problems in his set up.
TTGL kind of only works because the laws of physics in the TTGL universe are made for making those themes work out. Have the people in TTGL act in character in any other universe and they're pretty much doomed to failure. Especially with a universe as dark as the Nasuverse. If you want this to be lighter and softer take on Nasu what's with all the dark elements (I heard Satoshi ate a Sakura smoothie once).
TTGL while cool isn't compatible unless you go full crossover. Other wise you get one universe bashing the other either by TTGL outshining pretty much everyone else or by the TTGL magic just not working and reality catching up to those guys and making them look like idiots (unless they have relatively minor role and are fight people of similar tiers like in SRW)
You know battle moon wars?
That had OCs but they didn't take over the story and outrank everyone. If you had as starting player character it would be like inputting cheat codes.
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You need to stop being literal Gray, I used TTGL for the description because they both have plots and are over the top spectacles, not necessarily deep.
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Nah, that's just random number without any meaning to it.
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I aparrently have something that makes it so I am incapable of understanding social cues naturally. Look I'm not making people flame me left and right.
No, but you do seem to be upsetting people without meaning to. I also have something that makes me incapable of understanding social cues naturally, and I have a tendency to do the same.
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Wrong Kat, it stands for cannot be analyzed.
Well Mike I'd disagree with you on that. Gray and you aren't missing cues or any such, you just interpret statements as absolutes too often
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I miss plenty of cues, and don't recognise how people are really feeling, or that I'm annoying them.
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Nice to see you here too Gray.
Also, lol at the warning wars. I'm in surgery for one and a half days, and you make Alice mad? All this started from Kotomine huh? Evil all the way into reality.
Lantz, you're thread has derailed for way over 5 pages. Don't you think you should bring it back?
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No Qwerty, Gray asked a valid question and I answered it, so it's not off topic, that said, I would appreciate it if we can move back to the story discussion now.
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There is nothing that cannot be analyzed.
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NGE reference makes that statement invalid Kat.
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Actually NGE is pretty straightforward if you know all materials, and there is little more to it than mashed Christian symbolism for the heck of it.
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I have no idea what you are on about, I was joking.
moving on back to the actual discussion please
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Actually NGE is pretty straightforward if you know all materials, and there is little more to it than mashed Christian symbolism for the heck of it.
Actually, that's quite false.
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Leo, do you really think it is something actually intricate?
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It is not very complicated, per se, since it doesn't require drawing on complex theology, but certainly, we can find a previously unsensed clarity in the images of Christ in Evangelion.
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Leo, please, back on topic
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So, how's your on topic discussion going?
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I think we should wait for the update, preferably after the heater gets fixed or replaced.
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Chapter two is done and chapter three is three quarters finished chapters 4-9 are simple but I've been backed up rl so I haven't completed them yet. Plus mike is off doing stuff so editing will be impossible in the short term.
also just an FYI, I'm waiting till the story is finished to post it on bl, this is because I'm splitting the difference on advice I've gotten. As I'm taking feedback I trust none of you will pull a stunt like Arch did linking the story on bl to cause trouble.
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I don't post anymore at the BL thread anyway.
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Chapter two is up in case people missed it.
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That looks maybe Germanic in origin, however as far as my brain is concerned it's alphabet soup. Please speak in English.
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I won't
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Please don't spam threads. This is an English language forum, people here should speak in English....
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And he should treat other people with respect.
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You violated the rules of the thread, intentionally ignored my clarification of my points on bl, brought your baggage cross forum and have on previous occasions flat out lied instead of dealing with problems like an adult. Nevertheless I've been polite Bdoom, I do treat people with respect. So long as they act respectfully in kind.
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You violated the rules of the thread, intentionally ignored my clarification of my points on bl, brought your baggage cross forum and have on previous occasions flat out lied instead of dealing with problems like an adult. Nevertheless I've been polite Bdoom, I do treat people with respect. So long as they act respectfully in kind.
I don't intentionally ignore anything, if I "ignore" them it's because they don't make sense or I want further clarification.
And I don't appreciate being called a liar. I was respectful, and you treated me like shit. Pardon me for getting upset about that.
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Ignoring something when you want clarification is unproductive at best. You lied instead of discussing your problem as an adult. If you had a problem you should have said so, if you had you would have seen a favorable result, instead you lied and proceeded to snipe or attack me whenever you can. Now please leave this thread unless you intend on discussing the work in question, as Mike said, in English.
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Ignoring something when you want clarification is unproductive at best. You lied instead of discussing your problem as an adult. If you had a problem you should have said so, if you had you would have seen a favorable result, instead you lied and proceeded to snipe or attack me whenever you can. Now please leave this thread unless you intend on discussing the work in question, as Mike said, in English.
I don't intentionally ignore anything, if I "ignore" them it's because they don't make sense or I want further clarification.
And I don't appreciate being called a liar. I was respectful, and you treated me like shit. Pardon me for getting upset about that.
I did tell you I had a problem with your story, you became agressive and rude. Also please note the quotes around the word ignore. I was only using your words, not mine. I didn't ignore any of your points. You ignored mine. Also, you never are polite, you always project an absolutely condecending tone to whoever you're speaking to. If you don't want to piss people off, change your attitude. Goodbye.
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OK guys, just stop with the accusatory tone. Both of you. Lantz, you could have handled yourself more respectfully, and Sakura, please don't keep feeding the argument. And let's not bring cross-forum drama in here (that goes to both of you).
Let's not escalate this into warnings.
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Regardless of the quotations Bdoom I fail to see the aggression or rudeness you're talking about.
edit: didn't see your message Kaiza.
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Of course you can't, but for an example, while I was betaing you, you treated me like it was my duty to fix your grammar, as if you were entitled to my help. I was betaing you out of the goodness of my heart, not because you're entitled to it.
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I was direct in my explanation of the job. It had nothing to do with entitlement. I believe there's a firm difference between what is necessary (namely the mechanical side such as grammar and spelling) and the right a beta has to give his opinion. They are functionally two different things. The former is expected, the latter is the right of a beta but not required to accomplish the task. However you decided to take the facts I was not condescending, simply factual.
and by don't see I meant literally, you quoted yourself, I can't discern anything from a quote made by you rather than I.
edit: now seriously, brass tacks, please discuss the work or leave.
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I was direct in my explanation of the job. It had nothing to do with entitlement. I believe there's a firm difference between what is necessary (namely the mechanical side such as grammar and spelling) and the right a beta has to give his opinion. They are functionally two different things. The former is expected, the latter is the right of a beta but not required to accomplish the task. However you decided to take the facts I was not condescending, simply factual.
and by don't see I meant literally, you quoted yourself, I can't discern anything from a quote made by you rather than I.
edit: now seriously, brass tacks, please discuss the work or leave.
If that's what you think, fine. but to quote you:
i'll be around ignoring your invalid, incorrect opinion.
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Why does this even need a reboot if you've already rebooted it before AND haven't actually really done anything with the story at all in EITHER version. ???
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What I have done previous is formatting, not rebooting Arch. In my opinion it doesn't need a reboot however I understand the gap present here. The original version was based on what is currently out of date (in relation to the current materials available) canon. It was fine when Nasu hadn't explained anything and thus assumptions and alterations were kosher. Currently however new fans have a different understanding and demonize the story because of it "not following canon"
a reboot is an opportunity to make the story standard for the current state of canon and be inclusive in the development process as I was during the original story's development.