Dark Side of the Moon
Type Moon => General Discussion => Topic started by: lantzblades on August 07, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
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I'm a firm believer in the idea that an audio visual medium needs both understanding of audio and visual aspects to be best enjoyed. As such watching subs is not now, nor has it ever been something I can get behind (excepting the dubs which wholly mangle the original version like Sailor moon and so on) without a doubt I would have lit zero on fire for it's dub if it was bad but it's actually pretty great.
The cast
Kiritsugu: resident evil has a history of pretty wooden or derpy acting so he's one of the four I was fairly concerned about. Fact is for someone who, to my knowledge, has never done anime before he plays Kiritsugu well.
Saber: Kari sounded horrible in clips but I have to admit she pulls it together well enough, I think I wouldn't have a problem with her being cast again for the new adaptations.
Iris: well this was an absolutely perfect choice VA wise, Bridget has been voice acting for a long time and the delicate, soft crazy chick is a role she has a lot of experience with. This gave me shivers like back when I first watched Lain. Fucking awesome, nuff said.
Rider: Without Price I don't think I would like Rider honestly, the bombastic cheerful attitude Jameson puts into every word really sells the king of conquers. Trivia note, this va played Kirei in the deen adaptation dub.
Lancer: played by the og Gilgamesh I thought I'd grow to hate him but he was alright. Not a stand out but serviceable.
Berserker: I hated the concept of Lancelot being a berserker from the out set, however the va for what time he gets is good enough.
Assassin: much like soylant cola it varies from person to person, decent overall though.
Gilgamesh: our replacement VA does a good job here.
Caster and his master: unlike the others I can't speak of them separately since they are almost exclusively speaking to each other. JYB as a serial killer works awfully well, blue beard is played by Igor from the persona games, they work rather great together.
Waver: This guy is a total unknown to my ears, pretty likeable though.
Tokomi: the character is exactly what he's supposed to be, a boring idiot.
Aoi: I pity Michelle Ruff, she played Arc in the Tsukihime anime and here she's playing this wispy waste of skin.
Karaiya: Liam has experience with this role, he played Archer in the fsn dub so another good performance.
Kirei: well this is Crispin Freeman, you're guaranteed a good performance with him but he really did a fucking excellent job here.
The animation: great with three exceptions. Firstly the effect on Lancelot, gross, just terrible imo. Secondly the creatures of caster, not their design but the effect used. Finally the fish face look some characters get (excepting caster who it fits to a T) it's deen levels of bad.
The plot: the only stand out things in the plot are the interlude with Kiritsugu and Gilgamesh palpatine-Ing Kirei. The rest of it is pretty by the numbers enjoyable action. Although two things bother me, one the Rin stuff, it drags down the show a bit and creates a potential plot hole. And secondly the continuity error at the end where Saber isn't at the tree dying.
So yeah, that's how I see it. How do you see Zero?
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I found Berserker's effect rather neat, hell, I didn't mind the CGI caster octopus.
Kariya's carnivorous fly bugs on the other hand....
What plot hole did the Rin's adventure thing bring out, if I may ask?
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^^Watch Blue-Ray RAWs for YAMATO superiority.
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CGI rarely is any good when mixed with traditional animation. Lancelot looks really out of place here.
Rin's adventure makes some stuff in fsn contradictory or plain confusing. Mostly Rin in HF, actually Rin's inaction period.
oh, oh god. I almost forgot, Sola and Kenny are the seen Rider and Shinji. Puts a whole new spin on the finger breaking scene for me.
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He is SUPPOSED to look out of place. The CGI is used in appropiate manner to make his presence disturbing.
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Opinions! Wonderful things.
I personally don't think they could've found a better way to bring across how Lancelot's Noble Phantasm distorted his appearance like black mist - at least not a practical way that would not have required a ton more work - but that's only my opinion.
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Rin's adventure makes some stuff in fsn contradictory or plain confusing. Mostly Rin in HF, actually Rin's inaction period.
Rin at six is not Rin at sixteen. It's pretty obvious to me that Rin is inactive because she feels like she is "supposed" to be rather than because she actually wants to be, and children tend to be more impulsive.
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Opinions! Wonderful things.
I personally don't think they could've found a better way to bring across how Lancelot's Noble Phantasm distorted his appearance like black mist - at least not a practical way that would not have required a ton more work - but that's only my opinion.
Yeah, same.
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Ugly is ugly, the cgi doesn't fit as far as I'm concerned.
@CL
no, sorry after seeing that and having the situation she does it makes her actions in fsn faulty.
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But that's like, just your opinion.
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The only CGI that doesn't fit in F/Z is the flying bugs.
Not because it's CGI, but because the bugs look ugly as fuck, and not ugly as in oppressively ugly, just so silly and unaesthetically pleasing it makes me feel uncomfortable.
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no, sorry after seeing that and having the situation she does it makes her actions in fsn faulty.
How?
Like I said, she is only six at the time. Rin as a six-year-old acts more naturally, without so much of her father's bullshit "true magus" crap.
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Hahahah, it's not like Berserker Lancelot was supposed to be a sparkling bishounen.
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Yes Bdoom, that's why I said that in the beginning post and asked others what there opinion was.
I think you may have a crossed wire mike.
Franco dude, I get the emulation of beyond horror for Caster's monster but seriously berserker is a traditional animation character who looks like he's bleeding the PhotoShop tween tool. It's just icky in my opinion.
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Well, he is supposed to go into uncanny valley.
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I think you may have a crossed wire mike.
Possibly, but unless you explain how her actions in Zero as a six-year-old child make her actions in FSN as a sixteen-year-old whose has spent ten years remembering her father's last words completely unrealistic, that's not going to change.
Also, I only just noticed this:
oh, oh god. I almost forgot, Sola and Kenny are the seen Rider and Shinji. Puts a whole new spin on the finger breaking scene for me.
Hah, awesome. Especially since I could see Rider actually doing that to Shinji if she got the chance.
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She actually saw what one magi is capable of and frankly given the state of her parents at the end her attitude is completely bizarre.
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She actually saw what one magi is capable of and frankly given the state of her parents at the end her attitude is completely bizarre.
What do you mean, "she saw what one magus is capable of"? And, what do you mean by "the state of her parents"? If you mean "Tokiomi is dead and Aoi brain-damaged", then the important point is what Tokiomi said to her the last time he saw her. That set the tone for her entire path in life, because you can't argue with someone who is dead....
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Well ok, what magic can do in the wrong hands because technically ryo isn't a magi but child predator via magic. Still it kinda shakes her foundation to go through that, be as intelligent as she supposedly is and not see the massive flaw in her life style. The fact that she goes through that and sticks to that path from a social perspective paints her as kinda stupid or worse crazy.
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How it could challenge her lifestyle if traditional magi don't do shit like murdering people for lulz?