Fuck yeah, UBW!
Honestly, I'm excited that UBW is getting an adaptation and not Fate. However, admittedly, I'm surprised they're doing UBW. However, it wouldn't be too difficult to merge the routes. Start with Fate and then segue into UBW to appease the Saber fags.
Rin's indeed the best heroine, and the true one.
I would argue I have the best heroine of all as my waifu- though while he is indeed going to be prominent in this anime, sadly his last name ain't Tohsaka. :P (what have i become)You've become one of us. One of us. One of us...
I would argue I have the best heroine of all as my waifu- though while he is indeed going to be prominent in this anime, sadly his last name ain't Tohsaka. :P (what have i become)
Lancer's fun fighting times.
More sakura in the early days.
More rider before she gets kuzukied
More important Rin romance.
Padded date scene.
Oh posts don't merge.
Not the issue I have names. It's the lack of fate (I caved and got Netflix for my dad, watched it and liked it) fate zero really did a great emotional set up and unfortunately all of what they set up (not to mention the core of shirou's character) can only be properly resolved in fate, without that resolution and understanding UBW and HF are hollow.
Well that seals it, new adaptations can go fuck themselves for all I care.Because they subtly reference zero?
Not the issue I have names. It's the lack of fate (I caved and got Netflix for my dad, watched it and liked it) fate zero really did a great emotional set up and unfortunately all of what they set up (not to mention the core of shirou's character) can only be properly resolved in fate, without that resolution and understanding UBW and HF are hollow.wait I thought you hated zero
Numerous scenes and events will fail outright or cause serious problems in character interpretation as a result of a lack of information. I'm sorry but frankly without proper representation the story falls apart. Fate is important for several resolutions and many establishing resonance points (like Ilya for example) that continue through the work. As it stands most of the main cast is being dumped over board in terms of character, development and resolution all to adapt Gen's choice of nonsense. Deen might have been painful average in their attempt but it's leagues ahead of these new adaptations for actually having sense enough not to undercut the emotional core of the work. Fate stay night is like a mountain, without the fate route ubw and hf can't reach nearly the same height that people claim them to stand at.Lolno, fate's important, but we have zero as the establishing "route"
Here's a good example of my point, the ubw movie. It tried to slash and burn the source all to fit it into a movie length feature, and what we got is a mess. Nasu made FSN different from Tsukihime. Tsukihime can be played in pretty much any order route wise without losing anything. FSN is, like I said, like a mountain. Fate is the base and ubw and hf twin peaks. The whole thing only works when you put it all together. Any one part missing and the pay off isn't there. Like Ilya, you learn her character in fate and when UBW rolls around and that happens it's not just that Gilgamesh killed someone it's that he killed a nice person, a terribly pained person at that. So of course you want to make Goldie bleed from the eyes. But that further stretches into hf. Couldn't save Ilya before but now you can so the moments intensity is through the roof. Point being, the idea of leaving anything out makes a flaw product but here it takes the steam out of the train.How does deen making the momumentally stupid decision to make the ubw movie 1 and 1/2 hours have anything to do with this conversation?
Oh, he went there. Let keep it that way, mkay? :3
FSN is, like I said, like a mountain. Fate is the base and ubw and hf twin peaks. The whole thing only works when you put it all together. Any one part missing and the pay off isn't there. Like Ilya, you learn her character in fate and when UBW rolls around and that happens it's not just that Gilgamesh killed someone it's that he killed a nice person, a terribly pained person at that. So of course you want to make Goldie bleed from the eyes. But that further stretches into hf. Couldn't save Ilya before but now you can so the moments intensity is through the roof. Point being, the idea of leaving anything out makes a flaw product but here it takes the steam out of the train.
Isn't UBW the route that focuses on Shirou and his ideal (through his and Archer's conflict)? Plus, we already know they'll add more scenes written by Nasu plus some ties to Zero; who's to say they won't work on adding stuff that was originally in Fate so it works for UBW?
HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large.
Also, I hope the scene where Rin falls asleep on her feet and Archer covers her with his cape is there too.I hope so too. :3
That scene was super dawww in the VN.
(and hf falls flat for Kirei)
I'm sorry Iris, that's not the case. If you think that way then love the adaptations as you should. For my part I'll rightly damn them for failing the set up and integrity in Zero. I want hope but this is a mistep, Shirou and many others will fail representation. And, as such it will fail.Thats pretty dismissive. I am a fairly open person, and if you provide me a satasfactory answer to why you feel this way, and counter my(and other's I agree with) arguements properly, I will leave it as that, and maybe even change my mind if you were convincing enough.
Not what I was referring to. I was referring to the black and white way he sees good and evil before and instead chooses self interest (in this case Sakura and saving her) over the "greater good" many heroes gave someone or something that reflects self interest. It's normal.
No Kaiza it's not, that's a serious misconception about unlimited blade works. Fate is his ideal explored, unlimited blade works is the confrontation between his idealism and the prospect of failure. HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large. Neither ubw or hf function for shirou (and hf falls flat for Kirei) without the fate route to demonstrate the start.
Mike's extreme insistence in his headfanon that Sakura is totes a good person.
Its scary when me and chris are on essentially the same page.No Kaiza it's not, that's a serious misconception about unlimited blade works. Fate is his ideal explored, unlimited blade works is the confrontation between his idealism and the prospect of failure. HF is the abandonment of the scales of justice Shirou holds and largely is about the concept of self interest and moral ambiguity of the world at large. Neither ubw or hf function for shirou (and hf falls flat for Kirei) without the fate route to demonstrate the start.
There's no misconception, you just missed the entire point of the three routes in your vigorous Saberfagging.
Fate = Pretty much entirely about Saber's ideal, and how Shirou can see, from an outside perspective, how stupid ideals like his and hers are (Even though he still doesn't stop pursuing it because he's stupid).
UBW = Actually realizing that his ideal is stupid, but something worth pursuing regardless.
HF = Abandoning his ideals for a single person, and facing the consequences.
Of course it's entirely pointless to argue with you because you'll go "nuh uh you're wrong I'm right because I said so" like always. I'm just putting it as it actually is; By giving an answer not tainted by your stupidity or Mike's extreme insistence in his headfanon that Sakura is totes a good person.
I have explained Iris, about how the whole novel fits together and the lack of the baseline which causes a failing in understanding.And that really brings nothing to the table right now. This is an adaptation, an anime, not a vn. Stuff doesn't work the same way.
Although I'm probably just wasting my breath since no one here like Shirou or Saber.
You told me to kill myself Alice
You told me to kill myself Alice, a statement for which you have never apologized. As far as I am concerned regardless of your position i cannot accept you as an authority. I do not have a wafeu or whatever the hell. I respect the story. I have said repeatedly that it's about more than just a single character.
As far as I am concerned regardless of your position i cannot accept you as an authority.Does not fly. Have some respect for us. If one cannot bring personal conflict into it, neither should the other. So, from here on out, lantz, please listen to what Alice says. If you undermine one, it undermines all of us. So please, don't do this again.
Except that it's an adaptation of the VN, so they are intrinsically connected. Ignoring the source is just bad form. Although I'm probably just wasting my breath since no one here like Shirou or Saber. I appreciate the whole story and these guys don't want to tell said story.Hahahaha.
Lantz, I'm seriously getting annoyed. You're keeping Chris and I on the same page, and that's just wrong.You told me to kill myself Alice, a statement for which you have never apologized. As far as I am concerned regardless of your position i cannot accept you as an authority. I do not have a wafeu or whatever the hell. I respect the story. I have said repeatedly that it's about more than just a single character.
Lantz you dumb bint you were told not to post. You're a member of the forum just like anyone else, you don't get to choose which mods you do and do not respect, that is not how it works.
So much drama.
My only thoughts on the whole "Fate isn't getting adapted" thing is that: a) we don't know what additions are being made and some of the addition could very well be from Fate and b) I like Fate but it really doesn't explore nearly as much of the setting as UBW or HF.
As far as I am concerned regardless of your position i cannot accept you as an authority.
It's not to hype Ufo as much as it is to show DEEN's incompetence, I've heard VN Readers call the UBW Movie Decent
Yeah, I know, but why the bloody hell is it Taiga and not another, more important character...?Because Taiga's a jokie comic relief character. I was expecting taiga or a Tiger dojo for the bonus.
So I finally got to watch the Prologue today. Yay for calling in from work due to ILLNESS.
Oh cool, there's the snake skin with the pendent.
fuck Sakura
Rin, are you now a Vulcan? Your blood's green.
Rin, you're adorable. Why are there so many people complaining about the little Rin dance to Archer? I thought it was in character for her to do. Out of the public eye Rin is very animated and this, which was slightly teasing as well, fit her.
Nah, she does this cute little sway/bounce when she's talking (flirting) to Archer.
So I finally got to watch the Prologue today. Yay for calling in from work due to ILLNESS.Owwwww, hope you get better soon. :(
Anyway, if anyone cares, my random thoughts:I actually like the Manor's design here, though then I'm a fan of old mansions like this surrounded by nature. Probably doesn't make a ton of sense in context, though it's possibly justified by the mansion getting overgrown over the years.
Wow, the Stately Tohsaka Manor isn't very stately anymore and is starting to look like parts of South America.
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE KITTY PAJAMAS?!I actually wondered this too. I want a pair of those, they look so comfy. :< Not that I don't already have kitty pajama bottoms anyway, it's just I could do with more. :P
Oh, now I remember why I ship Rin/Archer so hard now. They're fighting like a married couple.It is adorable, no? :3
Archer you are tsundere as well and a curmudgeon. That's okay, that's part of the reason that I love you.A curmudgeonly curmudgeon. :3 He's so moe and butlery in this, it's great.
Where's the talk about Reality Marbles?I think they cut it for time and to streamline things. It should hopefully come up again later in the adaptation. Hopefully.
A Wild Celt appears!Wild LANCER used AGILITY! RIN dodged the attack!
Lancer smack talk! He calls Archer "old man". Which makes me wonder how young Lancer is suppose to be and how old Archer physically is as a Servant. I mean, since Servants are summoned at their peak, wouldn't Archer be the same age as when he formed the contract?Lancer I think is my age physically, so Archer's probably a bit older than that at least. Probably late 20's, early 30's.
Archer's being super aggressive during this fight. And holy shit does it look amazing. I wonder if part of the Archer/Lancer rivalry is because Archer still holds a grudge from when Lancer heart-shived him as a kid.Probably. I imagine heart-shivving is not the easiest thing to forgive. :P
It's because the skin is half shredded, rendering it useless.Oh cool, there's the snake skin with the pendent.Does it explain why she didn't use it?
This looked really awesome, but if there’s something I would have to find to critique, it’s the fight scene.
Yes, visuals wise it looked amazing, and really brought across how powerful Servants are, but it was also a bit overdone. And by that I mean, the pavement cracking and splitting into huge clouds of dust every time Archer and Lancer exchanged blows, and their strikes being so powerful they knock each other away with enough force that they blast through cement, or leaving several meters-deep craters in the ground when they block. And the “Archer presses down on Lancer’s spear with so much power it caves in the ground instantly like 3 foot and crashes Lancer into a building” thing was really unnecessary.
They seemed to be going for additional flashiness as opposed to making the exchange of blows look significant otherwise for that part of the fight, and it honestly bugged me a bit. Lancer would not get knocked around like that by Archer like that either. I think Ufotable could have handled giving weight to Archer and Lancer’s clash, without being so shallow about it.
Yes, I get that it was supposed to bring across how superhuman Servants are, but the exchange of blows actually lost a bit of significance with the way they chose to animate some of the attacks and retorts. It cheapened the experience for me somewhat.
I'm not sure how shredding an already thousands of years old fossilized snake skin makes it any less of a usable catalyst when we had things like a tatter of Iskander's cloak used in Zero. The link to FZ was nice but it bugged me.
Yes, visuals wise it looked amazing, and really brought across how powerful Servants are, but it was also a bit overdone. And by that I mean, the pavement cracking and splitting into huge clouds of dust every time Archer and Lancer exchanged blows, and their strikes being so powerful they knock each other away with enough force that they blast through cement, or leaving several meters-deep craters in the ground when they block. And the “Archer presses down on Lancer’s spear with so much power it caves in the ground instantly like 3 foot and crashes Lancer into a building” thing was really unnecessary.
They seemed to be going for additional flashiness as opposed to making the exchange of blows look significant otherwise for that part of the fight, and it honestly bugged me a bit. Lancer would not get knocked around like that by Archer like that either. I think Ufotable could have handled giving weight to Archer and Lancer’s clash, without being so shallow about it.
Yes, I get that it was supposed to bring across how superhuman Servants are, but the exchange of blows actually lost a bit of significance with the way they chose to animate some of the attacks and retorts. It cheapened the experience for me somewhat.
I refer back to the "Archer presses down into GB so hard it creates a 3 feet deep crater and knocks Lancer into a building" thing.
That just looked stupid. It looked stupid in the PV. I wouldn't even be cracking down so hard on it if not for that bit.
I'm just making a big deal of exposing my thoughts on this matter because I'm worried Ufotable will pull more questionable animation choices like that for the remaining fight scenes.
i enjoyed it.I refer back to the "Archer presses down into GB so hard it creates a 3 feet deep crater and knocks Lancer into a building" thing.
That just looked stupid. It looked stupid in the PV. I wouldn't even be cracking down so hard on it if not for that bit.
I'm just making a big deal of exposing my thoughts on this matter because I'm worried Ufotable will pull more questionable animation choices like that for the remaining fight scenes.
Well, honestly that made the fight more believable to me. After all, we're told that Servants are these all powerful and all awesome beings. This fight shows part of it.
or they could be unoffically confirming Fate.
I am astounded by the teasing the opening gives Saber and Shirou. Either they really are mixing up the romance(s?) or Ufotable is being mean.
I am astounded by the teasing the opening gives Saber and Shirou. Either they really are mixing up the romance(s?) or Ufotable is being mean.
Also, what the fuck is up with all the Ship Teasing?
There's a lot of Saber/Shirou and Rin/Archer teasing going on.
Is UBW Good ending being retconned to both Saber and Archer staying?
Even though Archer X Rin is infinetly better than Archer X Shirou
WHOOOOOOOOOPSSSSSSSSSS
You lost me. What prompted that reaction? It's not like there were any "drastic changes" to the ending of whatever.
So how about that dubstep Zerker?(http://i.imgur.com/ak6n7dH.png)
Why the fuck did they decide to ruin one of the best fights?
GH nerf is arguable. Caladbolg still didn't kill him. It came off to me more like they just removed Saber's nerf from the equation, so her attacks were adding up to actually manage to cut him, even if it wasn't too deeply.This works for me, I hadn't approached it from that angle.
Though I will say lack of mention of Ranks so far is a blessing, in my opinion.
Gee, I don't know. If everything Archer traces is downgraded one rank, even if you have A+s they become B+s, how did Archer kill Berserker 6 times in Fate?
This is why we should not pay too much attention to stuff like ranks. Because they were Nasu being a dirty casual and trying to insert completely unnecessary faux RPG mechanics into FSN, and if Ufotable is concerning themselves less with them, I can only applaud their decision.
Broken Phantasms. They gain a rank relative to the original NP, thereby bringing them back up to rank A again.
The problem is that God Hand is literally defined on that basis. Without that restriction, it becomes far less powerful. Anyone can kill Berserker if they hit him enough times.
Problem with that theory being that everything suggests Archer fought Berserker in melee, where he wouldn't have time to charge Broken Phantasms.
And it's never "anyone can kill Berserker if they hit him enough times", because the attacks need to be powerful enough to affect him to begin with.
And once an attack kills him once, he becomes immune to it. But thanks for missing my point.
But before you actually ask me for a justification on why Saber pierced GH in the anime despite not managing anything but shallow cuts until she used Excalibur, according to Apocrypha the rank of an attack is defined by the Strength of the Servant, the weapon used, and the skill of the Servant. So it's as simple as all the factors adding up to an A rank attack, if you really want an explanation, despite this already being a tangent of the point.
If I'm remembering correctly, Nasu had done some RPing in the past and wanted to bring that inspiration to F/SN.
If I'm remembering correctly, Nasu had done some RPing in the past and wanted to bring that inspiration to F/SN. ...sadly, RPing a few times doesn't automatically make one capable of writing a good RPing system well. Hence what we got with Nasu's ranks. They're good at giving a general idea of stuff, but like YOLF said, when all's said and done, there's so many inconsistencies and the like that, unless you tweak the living crap out of it to standardize it better, it doesn't work well for what it was intended for. Therefore, I agree with the sentiment of leaving the ranks stuff out of the UBW anime. It makes things.. cleaner.
Herk is my childhood hero, I'm a bit touchy about him.
Fuck if I care.
And what do you think your average King Arthur buff is going to think of Saber...?
Yeah, that figures. Is it similar to any of the songs from the VN?
This is UBW adaptation, may be as well treated as alternate reality from HF's.
Maybe the book robbed Sakura of Master status entirely, and until Shinji relinquishes the book, Sakura loses the ability to resist the Bloodfort? That's all I got really.
Only other hypothesis I have is that Shinji activated it sooner than Rider had planned due to being driven nuts by both Shirou and Rin turning down his alliance offer, and she couldn't do much to stop him without having Sakura be killed outright, so Sakura got knocked out due to surprise and Rider pretty much was just praying that Sakura would live via her robust mana supply.
Still Saber did better than Rider i.e. survived.
I got bored by rin and turned off the episode.I've been told that whenever Sakura comes onscreen you make noises that sound like Zouken's death moans. Jack was creeped out.
Not death moans, but it is quite creepy. That was also only during episode one, I haven't done it since.
I got bored by rin and turned off the episode.Please don't muck up the thread with pointless whining.
Also jack's noises are equally creepy.
You were literally shouting us down in episode one whenever Saber even appeared, you know? She didn't even need to say anything. And in episode one you absolutely made the noises. Also, bullshit on the noises every time, I had no reaction on the princess carry, nor many of the other minor appearances.Also jack's noises are equally creepy.
Bull
Shit
I don't make any noises. Fuck I don't even go "Aww" during the ship teases in the opening, even though the Shirou fag and Rin fag kown as UBW does it.
Also you totally make those noises each time Sakura shows up, not just in Episode 1.
Also Koto, bad idea to bring it up given your earlier suggestion.