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Title: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 07:08:34 AM
Kiala no Senki, or Records of Kiala, is a Sci-Fi game that takes place in the year 2413 AD (or, in the in-game calendar, 25,413 SY). Humanity on Earth has not quite reached outside its own Solar System, though the Sol System is home to a precious material called Carbon Helium that is, quite frankly, very rare outside of the Sol System, at least in our galaxy. A student at an American university had discovered a piece of Carbon Helium while traveling to Antarctica's Southern Pole and discovered that it could be used for ending the problem of energy supplies for at least until the end of the third millennium... from that piece of Carbon Helium alone.

Meanwhile, outside of our Solar System, a huge war was being waged between two factions of an empire as old as the current calendar: the Neon Warriors and the Vanguard. The reason for this war was over politics, as the leaders of the respective armies were the only sons of the previous Emperor, and only men were allowed onto the throne. The war was beginning to cool off after fifty years of fighting, because the leaders were still human (and thus able to get old at the age of 98), and a peace was being brokered between the leaders when an outside party assassinated the leader of the Neon Warriors. He was succeeded by his granddaughter, Kiala Menossi, and her two month old little brother.

The assassin reveals that he works for the Evernun Commandos, a group of terrorists that were long thought dead to the last man, except that they hadn't died off like everyone believed. The assassin also reveals that he was just one of the many warriors that will "free the galaxy of the evil inside" before he gets run through.

Also, remember the Carbon Helium? Apparently the Evernun Commandos were the first to discover the Sol System and start mining the Carbon Helium from the furthest Plutoid from the Sun, meaning they legally have a claim to the Sol System now.

...well, something like that is what I have in mind for the game story, to be honest.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 09:17:02 PM
Having studied less than a semester's worth of chem I can say this - Carbon helium is chemically impossible. It couldn't form ionic or coavalant bonds, and I don't think Dipole-Dipole forces or London Dispersion forces could overcome that.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 10:18:48 PM
Anything bonded to Helium is chemically impossible (excepting possibly Fluorine). Helium is entirely unreactive. Not sure how I missed that....

Although, then again, there's no such thing as dilithium either, and nor is any kind of matter going to be able to focus anti-matter safely. Star Trek still got away with it....
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 10:25:06 PM
Okay, you two, got any better ideas what could be used in the place of Carbon Helium?

No, I don't mean that sarcastically, I mean it quite honestly.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Not really, but preferably something less obviously ridiculous to anyone who knows Chemistry....
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 10:44:58 PM
*sigh* I guess that's as good as I'll have to get with this... unless the idea of a solid form of hydrogen is a good one.

I'm seriously hoping for a good idea that won't be silly... though no idea what now.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 10:47:59 PM
I think just making something up is probably better than using existing elements with properties they don't have....
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 10:54:49 PM
Hmm... good point.

How about... a-HA!! A previously unheard of element called Hydrium, which is super abundant in the Sol System, just not specifically Earth. It's a solid that gives off clean nuclear energy for a really long time (not sure what the exact amount of years would be)... and the number of years would depend on how large the piece of Hydrium is.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 10:59:14 PM
Hmm... good point.

How about... a-HA!! A previously unheard of element called Hydrium, which is super abundant in the Sol System, just not specifically Earth. It's a solid that gives off clean nuclear energy for a really long time (not sure what the exact amount of years would be)... and the number of years would depend on how large the piece of Hydrium is.
Hydrium is the old word for hydrogen.

Just go with Unobtanium. Cameron doesn't own the rights to that and it's a classic science fiction trope.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 11:00:35 PM
Honestly, I think "Hydrium" sounds better than "Unobtainium". Using "Unobtainium" makes it obvious you're just taking the piss.

I mean, the entire concept of picking up some rock giving "clean nuclear energy" is somewhat dubious to begin with, but at least "Hydrium" sounds plausible.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 11:02:33 PM
Oh. I hate it when all the good names are taken.

Still... wait. What about Oxium?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
Hawkinium.

Elements are often named after discoverers or in honor of people, so why not give Hawking something? It makes sense, doesn't sound stupid or take the piss.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 11:05:29 PM
Okay, that makes sense, fortunately.

Sure, Hawkinium it is, Magos.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 11:07:35 PM
Anything bonded to Helium is chemically impossible (excepting possibly Fluorine). Helium is entirely unreactive. Not sure how I missed that....

Although, then again, there's no such thing as dilithium either, and nor is any kind of matter going to be able to focus anti-matter safely. Star Trek still got away with it....
Dilithium - a bonded pair of lithium atoms. There's your answer. It'd be unstable as hell, but it's possible.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 11:11:17 PM
? Okay, how did Dilithium get into play here, exactly?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
Sorry, had to comment on mikes comment there, just wanted to address you first.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
That makes sense.

Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 11:39:03 PM
Anything bonded to Helium is chemically impossible (excepting possibly Fluorine). Helium is entirely unreactive. Not sure how I missed that....

Although, then again, there's no such thing as dilithium either, and nor is any kind of matter going to be able to focus anti-matter safely. Star Trek still got away with it....
Dilithium - a bonded pair of lithium atoms. There's your answer. It'd be unstable as hell, but it's possible.

I don't think any such thing is possible, due to the way in which bonding works. But, even if it is, it wouldn't have the properties ascribed to it in Star Trek.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 17, 2013, 11:41:35 PM
...I'll wisely stay out of that topic for now.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 17, 2013, 11:51:11 PM
Anything bonded to Helium is chemically impossible (excepting possibly Fluorine). Helium is entirely unreactive. Not sure how I missed that....

Although, then again, there's no such thing as dilithium either, and nor is any kind of matter going to be able to focus anti-matter safely. Star Trek still got away with it....
Dilithium - a bonded pair of lithium atoms. There's your answer. It'd be unstable as hell, but it's possible.

I don't think any such thing is possible, due to the way in which bonding works. But, even if it is, it wouldn't have the properties ascribed to it in Star Trek.

London dispersion forces maybe; it's been a while since I've taken AP chem.

As is though it'd be rather reactive as far as these things go. And yes, would not act like  Star Trek dilithium
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 17, 2013, 11:58:49 PM
Van der Waals forces act between molecules and atoms, not within them. You couldn't get two Lithium atoms bonded together in that way, you would have many.

Also, Van der Waals forces are stronger for larger molecules, and I'm not sure they apply at all with metals (which bond in a different manner). So, I don't think that would make anything called "dilithium".
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on October 18, 2013, 12:05:37 AM
Van der Waals forces act between molecules and atoms, not within them. You couldn't get two Lithium atoms bonded together in that way, you would have many.

Also, Van der Waals forces are stronger for larger molecules, and I'm not sure they apply at all with metals (which bond in a different manner). So, I don't think that would make anything called "dilithium".
No expert here, I'm pretty sure you're right on this one.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Mordalfus Grea on October 18, 2013, 01:16:41 PM
Hey Xam!

What kind of tech would Earth/Humans, Vanguard, Neon Warriors,  and the Evernun Commandoes possess. Are there any non-human [Alien] factions, empires and territories?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 18, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
The Evernun Commandos are a coalition of aliens (compared to the Earth-side Humans). The Neon Warriors and the Vanguard are primarily Humans with roughly 24% of their total forces being aliens as well.

Tech level... Earth-side Humans haven't left our Solar System at all, and at the rate we're currently progressing, we'll still be in the Sol System for another 40k years... without outside interference. The other factions have better chances of finding us than we do of finding them. As far as everyone else, they have Hyperdrives and laser weapons, though they seem to think that guns are meant for orbital bombardment purposes only (if it ever gets that far for use at least)... oh, did I forget to mention that Earth developed robots, while everyone else works harder at getting their materials finished? (Yes, that's important, Earth-made goods are at a consistent quality comparable to the Chinese when compared to the rest of the Galaxy's variable quality which can be even worse than the Chinese at worst or on par with America at its height in the Industrial Revolution at best... all thanks to the robots.)
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 18, 2013, 06:03:26 PM
Hmm, how are there humans in the main factions if humans have never left our system?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 18, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
That's a question I'm glad someone actually asked.

See, Humans weren't made specifically on Earth all that time ago, but also in the Galaxy at large... kinda like how Star Wars had it. Still, unlike Star Wars, Humans evolved over time in varying levels compared to Earth's population... but always at a higher level of tech compared to Earth tech.

That make sense?
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 18, 2013, 06:23:38 PM
No, that doesn't make sense at all....

How did humans evolve in more than one place? Evolution doesn't work that way.

Also, I believe that, canonically, the assumption in Star Wars is that humans originated on one planet and then spread across the Galaxy from there, rather than evolving multiple times on different planets. The details are just lost in the mists of time.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 18, 2013, 06:32:06 PM
Okay, let me get the revised facts about that now, hang on.

Okay, here's the revised facts, for your benefit: I'm going to say that most of the Galaxy had planets with Humans on them, mainly as something akin to how Star Wars had it, only the home of Humanity was initially Earth for all those years (sentient life kidnapped a huge mass of early humans for preservation tactics, helped them evolve, and the rest is history).

That should make more sense.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Mordalfus Grea on October 18, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
So can we create alien species? I got several in my head already.
Title: Re: Sci-Fi Role Playing Game to be in the works (Kiala no Senki)
Post by: Xamusel on October 18, 2013, 11:08:12 PM
Sure, if you want, though it'll have to be in the graphical style of RPG Maker VX Ace (which is an unfortunate requirement, but only because I don't have the capabilities to make this 3D, if anything).

By the way, I intend for this game to be on sale after finishing making it, but with you guys... I'll see about giving those that help out with the production of the game access to up to five free copies each.