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Title: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Willy Vereb on August 20, 2013, 08:10:50 PM
I just realized that no one created this thread yet.
Which is a bit surprising given how popular these are on Beast's Lair.

So yeah, the question is simple yet for some may be difficult to answer.
Who are your favorite Type-MOON characters?

You can make one or even multiple characters.
Preferably while also telling us why.
If you like a particular version of a character (UBW Shirou, Far Side route "Roa"/SHIKI), you are free to mention them that way.
You are even allowed to make a "top list" of your favorites. Like top 3, top 5, top 10 or whatever.

I would rather not make a poll about this, though.
We don't have that many people and besides this is more about discussing why and how you like a certain character from the Nasuverse.

So without any further ado, let's get to it!
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 21, 2013, 02:21:17 AM
Kohaku, by far she's my favorite character. She fits in basically any situation with much effort and is honestly sympathetic without being overly woobie about it or having a ham fisted message to impart.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Alice on August 21, 2013, 05:51:42 PM
While Archer's my absolute favorite, I have a variety of characters I like quite a bit Nasuverse-wise. I'll organize a list or something later, but for now I'll just go off the top of my head.

Rin, Arc, Kohaku/Ruby, and Bazett are all pretty high up on my list for me. I also like Hakuno (aka Extra's protag- and yes, I am ignoring the male version, why do you ask? :P) quite a bit, despite her being somewhat of a blank slate. I also like Lancer quite a bit, and I find Kotomine to be a fun villain. I also think I'm going to be liking BB quite a bit once CCC finally gets some form of translation.

There's more, and I probably need to make a list or something, but for now, there you go. :3   
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 24, 2013, 05:41:19 AM
From a writing stand point kirei is great but personally I hate him, we get your point just for the love of god be quiet you stupid priest
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on August 26, 2013, 01:25:31 AM
Well, since I've never played Tsukihime, I can only talk about Fate characters.

My favourite character is, obviously, Sakura. I just find her mental strength to be amazing, as well as the way that she remains kind and caring despite everything she's been through, and the way that she is able to bounce back so easily after being freed from Zouken's control. Plus, I find her extremely sympathetic, particularly since she is basically ignored in two of the three routes, and has to go through a hell of a lot to get her happy ending in the one route where she does get it (and a lot of people in the fandom still seem to begrudge her that one happy ending).

As for the rest, I like Rider a lot, and also Shirou, particularly the HF version (and excepting MoS Shirou, who is an asshole). I also like Kariya, and sometimes Rin (particularly post-HF Rin, who is less of an idiotic magus in awe of her idiot father).

Rider I like because of her loyalty and protectiveness towards Sakura. Not the stupid, blind sort of loyalty and obedience to her master out of duty that Lancer has, but rather a genuine loyalty borne of real compassion and love for Sakura. She won't always obey Sakura, but she'll do what she thinks is best for her, and will protect her no matter what. And, whilst she does some bad things sometimes, she's basically a good person at heart, although she can be pretty nasty towards people she doesn't like (which is something I can relate to, because if someone treats me like shit and makes no effort to atone for that I can get vindictive). Plus, she's really hot and her sexual preferences align with mine, which is really handy when it comes to looking at, reading and writing porn.

As for the rest, Kariya and Shirou I like because of their determination to protect people, and Sakura in particular. Both of them were willing to sacrifice everything to protect her, even if it meant their deaths (Shirou might only actually act to protect her in HF, but I suspect that Fate or UBW Shirou would be just as willing to die to save her as HF Shirou was, even if the romantic relationship wasn't there). Indeed, in the case of Kariya and HF Shirou they outright expected to die, and yet they still continued.

In Shirou's case, even outside of HF I do still like him. I do find his ideal (in the pure form) admirable, even thought I detest the corrupted "kill one to save many" approach that MoS Shirou takes. I know it's not achieveable in practice, but it's admirable for him to try. I am someone who likes idealists and people who do what is right rather than what is convinient. And, whilst Sakura gets completely screwed over outside of HF, it's hardly Shirou's fault, he knows nothing of what is happening.

Finally, there's Rin. My opinion of her does vary somewhat. At times, she's really likeable, but at other times (particularly around the MoS part of HF) she's an outright bitch. Still, as irritatingly-lawful as she can be at times, her heart is fundamentally in the right place, and when she's not going out of her way to hide that she is a likeable person. My opinion of her depends somewhat on the route (like I said, post-HF Rin is much more likeable due to ditching her father's "true magus" crap in favour of her sister).

Also, Rin is odd in that she's the one character who my opinion of has actually changed quite a lot over time (Saber too, to some extent, in the opposite direction, but I think that's mainly because of how popular she is and how much Type Moon milks her). When I first completed the game I really didn't like her at all, because she was just a complete and utter bitch to Sakura for most of HF. But, as I talked to people and thought about it more, she came across as a much nicer person than at first glance, even with regards to her sister. Plus, she's a victim of her upbringing just as much as Sakura is, in a way, so it's hard to completely blame her for how she came out.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 26, 2013, 02:15:44 AM
Largely on investigation people don't have a problem with Sakura getting a happy end. Most people myself included have an issue with the presentation, execution and overall repetitive way hf came to be.

between the stupidly place growing up bullshit hf supposedly represents according to nasu in interviews to the idiot ball and utter failure that is the character of hf shirou in relation to the other two selves before him most people were embittered by the routes end which doesn't even cover the tone and rapid murder of 90% of the cast.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on August 26, 2013, 02:46:49 AM
Honestly, whilst you yourself might think that, that's not the impression I get from most of the rest of the fandom. Or, at least, most of them dislike her getting a happy ending out of HF, even though she's not at fault for what happened.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 26, 2013, 02:52:25 AM
As I said I spoke to people, the majority doesn't have an issue with Sakura getting a happy ending  it's just that hf was bogged down with so many compounded issues that those I've spoken to have an issue with hf period, some think that it ought to end with the normal ending and from a writing stand point, at least in the case of tone I agree
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on August 26, 2013, 02:59:21 AM
Well, they don't have an issue with Sakura getting a happy ending so much as they have an issue with her getting a happy ending in HF.

And, frankly, to claim that the Normal End fits better with the theme of HF is laughable. Indeed, even Nasu himself admitted that the converse was true. He originally intended to make the Normal End the true end, but he realised that it simply didn't fit with the flow of the story. After everything Shirou did and sacrificed, a happy ending was by far the best option. Otherwise the whole story was just pointless.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 26, 2013, 03:15:17 AM
You need to learn to read. Tone is not the same as theme. And hf "true" is straight mood whiplash, and nasu's thematic growing up bs is intrusive and makes the characters as he wants us to see them unpalatable assholes.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on August 26, 2013, 03:26:43 AM
How is HF True "mood whiplash", any more so than any other example of someone getting a happy ending out of a shitty situation?

Also, what do you mean by "thematic growing up bs"?
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on August 26, 2013, 03:36:55 AM
Hf sails into darkness, murders most of the cast and all while a comedy of forced errors plays out to allow the story to proceed culminating in a super mega ultra happy ending with ass pulls and a time skip to ignore the fallout of the war. Mood whiplash, hf in two words.  Nasu stated in an interview that fsn he wanted viewed as the stages of growing up from kid to adult with hf being the adult stage which is also why he made the epilogue a part of hf, we are supposed to view by his account hf as the mature intended characters  which I find bullshit of the highest order. Not only are the characters in hf largely insufferable after the previous two routes but also it makes people feel like they wasted their time with the novel as a whole.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Mordalfus Grea on September 21, 2013, 04:39:30 AM
Personally I have grown to like Zelretch's character, he is a figure of many traits and skills. Although he may drive the Clocktower up-the-wall-across-the-ceiling-down-the-other-wall-and-back-up-the-first-wall-all-over-again with his antics, you can't deny his presence when he appears in your vicinity nor can you deny his strength. That and despite his origins, he is practically the badass grandfather we'd all wish for [not to say we aren't content with our existing grandfathers, living and deceased].
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on September 22, 2013, 01:24:35 AM
Hmm, that's definitely an unusual pick. I'm not sure how much real characterisation Zelretch has. I guess he's not bad at all, though. After all, he's still basically a good guy, albeit an insane one....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Mordalfus Grea on September 22, 2013, 03:13:01 AM
Hmm, that's definitely an unusual pick. I'm not sure how much real characterisation Zelretch has. I guess he's not bad at all, though. After all, he's still basically a good guy, albeit an insane one....
Very true but at least he is a good guy, so to speak
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on September 24, 2013, 07:49:56 PM
Well, yeah, although if "good guy" is the only qualification then there are a lot more than just him....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 01:08:25 AM
Who else but the King of Conquerors Broskander the Great?

Seriously, Iskander is the epitome of the word AWESOME.  This is the only person I know of in the Nasuverse apart from Enkidu that Gilgamesh respects.  To say nothing of the fact that his servants continue to follow his flag even beyond death itself (Ionian Hetairoi).  Did I mention that serving him is a ticket to becoming a Heroic Spirit (I doubt I'm the only one who noticed Lord Waver El-Melloi II marching with the Ionian Hetairoi)?

Next is Arcueid; what's there not to like about a beautiful yet airheaded girl who just happens to be the most powerful being on the planet (in the present of course as Gilgamesh could easily stomp her as would the Ether Liners and the A-Rays)?

Third, we have MoS Shiro Emiya.  Kiritsugu 2.0...yes please.  AFAIK, MoS is the unofficial third EPIC ENDING of HF.

Regarding Heaven's Feel...I hated it, TBH.  It's too dark, and Sakura's backstory (which ironically enough is her biggest appeal for me) is just too damn cruel.  I also know the Matou have somewhat of a sinister reputation, which makes me wonder why Kiritsugu never bothered to investigate and preemptively strike them down before the Fourth War.  Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life.  Which is actually how things are in reality; we don't follow our ideals blindly, nor do we simply abandon them - we use them as a guide for life.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
Third, we have MoS Shiro Emiya.  Kiritsugu 2.0...yes please.  AFAIK, MoS is the unofficial third EPIC ENDING of HF.

Hell no. After the way he betrayed Sakura, all that asshole deserves is an agonisingly painful death.

Also, MoS wouldn't be "epic". Assuming Shirou does somehow find a way to win, it would be seriously anti-climatic, because if he gets into any actually epic battles he would be seriously outclassed and would die without a doubt, particularly given that Archer is still around and has absolutely nothing preventing him killing Shirou any more. He'd just hide in the shadows and then snipe the enemy masters or whatever. It would be extremely dull and depressing.

And, honestly, if you don't like "dark", I don't see how you can possibly like MoS. MoS is the darkest possible path Shirou can follow, and ends badly for him and everyone he knows.

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Regarding Heaven's Feel...I hated it, TBH.  It's too dark, and Sakura's backstory (which ironically enough is her biggest appeal for me) is just too damn cruel.

Well, Sakura's backstory is definitely cruel, but I don't think that makes the route as a whole bad. I think Nasu is very good at giving characters horrible backstories....

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I also know the Matou have somewhat of a sinister reputation, which makes me wonder why Kiritsugu never bothered to investigate and preemptively strike them down before the Fourth War.

I don't think the Matou are particularly well-known, honestly. Tokiomi certainly didn't seem aware of Zouken's true nature (although he must surely have had some idea), and he's far closer than Kiritsugu is. Plus, Zouken is hardly a threat outside of Fuyuki, so there are bigger things for Kiritsugu to deal with.

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Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life. 

Honestly, I dislike UBW because it's played as happy whilst Sakura is left to be tortured to death by Zouken whilst her sister and the guy she loves run off to London together.

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Which is actually how things are in reality; we don't follow our ideals blindly, nor do we simply abandon them - we use them as a guide for life.

Honestly, I think HF Shirou fits that just as well as it does UBW Shirou. He doesn't simply "abandon" his ideals, he just accepts that, to be human, you can't really consider all lives equally. He still tries to protect everyone else, he just refuses to murder Sakura in cold blood to do so.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 01:36:53 AM

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Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life. 

Honestly, I dislike UBW because it's played as happy whilst Sakura is left to be tortured to death by Zouken whilst her sister and the guy she loves run off to London together.

Personally, I think Zouken is dead in Fate and UBW, probably killed by Kirei (who really hates him).

Third, we have MoS Shiro Emiya.  Kiritsugu 2.0...yes please.  AFAIK, MoS is the unofficial third EPIC ENDING of HF.

Hell no. After the way he betrayed Sakura, all that asshole deserves is an agonisingly painful death.

And you think Kiritsugu wouldn't have done the same?  One life...to save many others.  Kiritsugu would have accepted that as fair, and so did MoS Shiro.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 01:43:11 AM

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Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life. 

Honestly, I dislike UBW because it's played as happy whilst Sakura is left to be tortured to death by Zouken whilst her sister and the guy she loves run off to London together.

Personally, I think Zouken is dead in Fate and UBW, probably killed by Kirei (who really hates him).

How? His soul is in a worm in Sakura's heart. And, if Kirei can kill him so easily in Fate and UBW, why can't he do so in HF?

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Third, we have MoS Shiro Emiya.  Kiritsugu 2.0...yes please.  AFAIK, MoS is the unofficial third EPIC ENDING of HF.

Hell no. After the way he betrayed Sakura, all that asshole deserves is an agonisingly painful death.

And you think Kiritsugu wouldn't have done the same?  One life...to save many others.  Kiritsugu would have accepted that as fair, and so did MoS Shiro.

Yeah, and Kiritsugu is a dick, at least prior to the fourth war. I don't like him either.

And, no, it is not "fair". Sakura has been tortured almost her entire life, and then she gets murdered in cold blood by the one person she trusted. How the fuck is that "fair"?
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 01:52:17 AM

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Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life. 

Honestly, I dislike UBW because it's played as happy whilst Sakura is left to be tortured to death by Zouken whilst her sister and the guy she loves run off to London together.

Personally, I think Zouken is dead in Fate and UBW, probably killed by Kirei (who really hates him).

How? His soul is in a worm in Sakura's heart. And, if Kirei can kill him so easily in Fate and UBW, why can't he do so in HF?

No idea; but that's the only thing I can think of why he doesn't make a move in both routes.

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Yeah, and Kiritsugu is a dick, at least prior to the fourth war. I don't like him either.

True, but I still like him.

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And, no, it is not "fair". Sakura has been tortured almost her entire life, and then she gets murdered in cold blood by the one person she trusted. How the fuck is that "fair"?

It saves more people; which is the same logic used by Alaya when it's Counter-Guardians kill individual Humans to ensure the survival of the species.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Xamusel on October 14, 2013, 01:56:04 AM
*sigh* Okay, could you two please quit arguing? I mean, I'm starting to get irritated by the inane fighting between you two... and I don't like being irritated.

Also, Cursed, Cherry's a massive Sakura fan. That should be reason why it's not exactly a good thing to bring up MoS!Shirou to him here or anywhere else.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 01:58:15 AM

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Out of the three routes, the only one I really liked what UBW (idealistic Shiro in Fate and broken Shiro in HF canon both repulse me for some reason) because there Shiro learns how not to follow his ideals, but simply to use them to temper his own life. 

Honestly, I dislike UBW because it's played as happy whilst Sakura is left to be tortured to death by Zouken whilst her sister and the guy she loves run off to London together.

Personally, I think Zouken is dead in Fate and UBW, probably killed by Kirei (who really hates him).

How? His soul is in a worm in Sakura's heart. And, if Kirei can kill him so easily in Fate and UBW, why can't he do so in HF?

No idea; but that's the only thing I can think of why he doesn't make a move in both routes.

He doesn't make a move in the other routes because he never manages to activate Sakura. Without that, he's better-off waiting for the next war and keeping himself hidden.

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Yeah, and Kiritsugu is a dick, at least prior to the fourth war. I don't like him either.

True, but I still like him.

Fair enough.

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And, no, it is not "fair". Sakura has been tortured almost her entire life, and then she gets murdered in cold blood by the one person she trusted. How the fuck is that "fair"?

It saves more people; which is the same logic used by Alaya when it's Counter-Guardians kill individual Humans to ensure the survival of the species.

Yeah, and? That doesn't make it "fair".

It's made pretty clear in the game that Alaya has no concept of fairness or justice. It just wants the human race to survive. That's why Archer gets so cynical about heroism after being a Counter Guardian, because he doesn't feel like he's truly saving people, even if he technically is.

Also, in Sakura's case specifically, he doesn't even have the excuse of knowing she is going to kill people. He only has Kotomine telling him that she will eventually go mad and do so, he has no actual evidence of that and she is not an immediate threat. It might not be possible to save everyone, but MoS Shirou doesn't even try to save Sakura. He just abandons her the minute she looks like a possible threat. Doing that to anyone would be dickish, doing it to the girl you love is just horrendous.

Also, Cursed, Cherry's a massive Sakura fan. That should be reason why it's not exactly a good thing to bring up MoS!Shirou to him here or anywhere else.

No, he's quite entitled to like characters I don't like. I'm never going to see MoS Shirou as anything other than a murderer and betrayer on the level of Judas (or Altima...), though.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 02:02:47 AM
I'd just like to say that I don't hate Sakura.  The True End for HF is actually good, but dying in MoS would be preferable IMO compared to the lonely life awaiting her in the Normal End.  That has got to be one of the most bittersweet endings in video game history.

As for abandoning her in MoS, well yeah it is betrayal of the highest magnitude, but in hindsight it's not really all that different from what Kiritsugu did to his father.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 02:06:52 AM
I'd just like to say that I don't hate Sakura.  The True End for HF is actually good, but dying in MoS would be preferable IMO compared to the lonely life awaiting her in the Normal End.  That has got to be one of the most bittersweet endings in video game history.

Honestly, I can't argue with that (and, I never claimed you hated Sakura).

Well, except for describing the Normal End as "bittersweet". I would call it an outright downer ending....

But, yeah, that ending is one of the saddest proper endings to a game I think I've ever seen. I was crying most of the way through, and even watching it the fourth or fifth time it still made me cry.

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As for abandoning her in MoS, well yeah it is betrayal of the highest magnitude, but in hindsight it's not really all that different from what Kiritsugu did to his father.

I think the biggest difference is that Kiritsugu's father was actually intentionally responsible for multiple deaths (or, at very least, entirely uncaring about people dying as a result of his actions), and if he was left to go free he would kill more. Sakura was not.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 02:14:03 AM
Dark Sakura left on her own in a bad end would only result in the deployment of Counter-Guardians.  At best Fuyuki/Japan/East Asia-West Pacific would be wiped from the face of the planet.  At worst, Angra Mainyu devours all of Humanity.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 02:20:09 AM
Dark Sakura left on her own in a bad end would only result in the deployment of Counter-Guardians.  At best Fuyuki/Japan/East Asia-West Pacific would be wiped from the face of the planet.  At worst, Angra Mainyu devours all of Humanity.

Yes, but HF Shirou doesn't leave her on her own and Darkened. Plus, at the point when he makes the MoS decision, he has no way to know that it could possibly get that bad. He is unaware that Sakura is the shadow, and his only reason for killing her is the possibility of her later going insane and killing people for prana. Which can never have anything more than a local effect.

Plus, any use of the Grail will have the same effect. And, honestly, I think that the chances of the Grail being destroyed safely in an MoS route are far less than they are in a route where he continues to protect Sakura, certainly based on the information he had there.

The problem with the Utalitarian argument of "well, killing Sakura saves hundreds of people in the town" is that the danger to the lives of everyone in Fuyuki from the Shadow (or anything else) pales in comparison to the danger to the entire world of anyone who will use the Grail winning the war and, therefore, the logical decision for Shirou is whatever decision allows him to win the war most effectively. And, given that he lacks a servant at that point, his best option for winning is to keep Ilya, Sakura and Rin on his side and fighting with him. Therefore, killing Sakura is not actually the best option even from the "greater good" viewpoint.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cursed by Creation on October 14, 2013, 02:22:34 AM
He could side with Illya...Rin's gone insane from killing her sister, so Illya is his only possible ally.  Or Kirei...which would probably end with a repeat of the debacle at the end of the Fourth War.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Xamusel on October 14, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
Fair point about liking characters you might hate, Cherry, didn't realize that... though the Altima reference might have gone over his head.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on October 14, 2013, 02:33:59 AM
He could side with Illya...Rin's gone insane from killing her sister, so Illya is his only possible ally.

Except that Ilya won't trust him any more. In rejecting Sakura he also rejected her. Plus, she can now quite legitimately accuse him of being just like her father.

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Or Kirei...which would probably end with a repeat of the debacle at the end of the Fourth War.

He could side with Kirei, yes, and I think it's actually the most likely outcome. However, I am absolutely certain that him doing so would result in him as the "winner" of the war watching helplessly as Gil drowns the world in Grail Mud....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Saber on November 03, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
Saber (Arturia) and Shiki Ryougi.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 03, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
Any reason for those?
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on November 03, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
Any reason for those?

Liking things isn't always driven from reason.

For example, my favorite character is Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi, sexy bastard that he is. You call him a dick all you like and be completely right, but he knows what he wants and goes for it, has a strong sense of what's right and wrong (even though his standards of both are slightly different) and at the end of the day he has his priorities straight(Protect waifu).

Gotta respect that.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 03, 2013, 06:18:46 PM
That's not entirely true. There might not be any rational reason for why you like them, but there is usually something that causes it (as with your example).

Of course, if the reason is just "dunno, I just like them" then fair enough. I'm not demanding anything, just trying to get some discussion.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on November 03, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
A success then, as we've now had a discussion about people liking characters.

And now for another character I like, Ayako Mitsuzuri, due to a combination of her attitude and circumstance: She's a complete casual in a supernatural and dangerous area, who is literally a stone's throw away from it all (her bff is Rin, she's in a club with the Matous, is friends with Shirou), and if she were to find out, she's a hardheaded individual with a good head on her shoulders, a healthy and strong attitude and talent in martial arts. She could easily be part of a story on the supernatural side, even without fighting the big fights. So much potential to her.

And I have a thing for those archery gi and neck-length hair. Hm-hm.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 03, 2013, 07:26:52 PM
Honestly, Ayako doesn't seem like she's particularly fleshed-out as a character, although I guess she does have potential to be more than she is if someone wanted to include her. Certainly she has a lot of connections, particularly in terms of stuff related to Sakura and Rin. She's probably one of the relatively few people who would reasonably be able to notice Rin's relationship with Sakura is more than she lets on, for example.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Alice on November 03, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
I like the dynamic she has with Rin- their friendly rivalry/antagonism makes for an interesting friendship. Plus I find the possibility of her being with Lancer that's presented in Hollow Ataraxia kinda fun. :) Plus she's level headed, smart, capable, and can defend herself, these are all good things. Honestly, having something that follows her character would be pretty interesting. 
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on November 03, 2013, 08:13:13 PM
Honestly, Ayako doesn't seem like she's particularly fleshed-out as a character
There's a(many, actually) reason I love etrian odyssey: the story is scarcely told, but strongly where it is. It's the same with Ayako: we don't know her life story, but when on screen she presents herself in a clear way, to the point where we can understand her character in the few encounters that she gets.

And really, what's to flesh out? She's an ordinary person. Probably just has ordinary people troubles.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 03, 2013, 08:14:35 PM
Well, I mean more in terms of her personality. We get some detail, but nothing like what we get for the more important characters.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: KAIZA on November 03, 2013, 08:23:12 PM
Oh, Ayako; she's a favorite of mine. I'll admit though, most of that is because of all the Ronpaia doujin featuring her. But, even from what we got in the VN I still found her very likeable.

And the looks, of course. She looks damn good.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Saber on November 04, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Any reason for those?

Mainly their roles, personalities, powers. Saber has quite the dignity that I like and somehow I can relate to her personality, I suppose. However, other people like her mainly because she is the most popular character out of Type-Moon.  Unfortunately though, her route is quite 'unfair', I was always expecting much more focus on her character back then.
And I find Shiki an extremely unique  and complex character.


Liking things isn't always driven from reason.

For example, my favorite character is Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi, sexy bastard that he is. You call him a dick all you like and be completely right, but he knows what he wants and goes for it, has a strong sense of what's right and wrong (even though his standards of both are slightly different) and at the end of the day he has his priorities straight(Protect waifu).

And I agree with that. Usually people like characters that are popular just because. The design also plays an important role. There are characters with a totally empty personality, yet they are able to become popular just by their design. Also, the anime plays an important role, mainstream popular anime tend to make their main characters popular enough.

I have seen people that never played x game for example and they like x character because he/she looks strong, has good looks, etc.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 04, 2013, 01:42:42 PM
Mainly their roles, personalities, powers. Saber has quite the dignity that I like and somehow I can relate to her personality, I suppose.

Yeah, fair enough.

Personally I can't, really. I dislike the concept of Chivalry (to me it was just an excuse for the powerful to ensure that the wars they caused would have as little effect as possible on them, not to mention extremely sexist, especially the more modern concept of it) and I'm not too fond of Saber's overly-honourable and lawful nature, either. She seems to follow rules just because they're rules, and to me that is idiotic.

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However, other people like her mainly because she is the most popular character out of Type-Moon.

I'm the opposite, honestly. A large part of why I dislike Saber so much is because of her popularity, and how she always hogs the limelight and appears everywhere. Especially when Sakura is largely ignored.

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Unfortunately though, her route is quite 'unfair', I was always expecting much more focus on her character back then.

What do you mean?

I thought her route focussed on her a reasonable amount, honestly. Not as much as HF does on Sakura, no, but more than UBW does on Rin. And, Saber does get some character development outside of Fate, too.

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And I agree with that. Usually people like characters that are popular just because.

Really?

I find the opposite. If a character is popular they tend to be disliked for that. Although, there is a certain hive-mind aspect that comes about sometimes, particularly with regards to attacking less-popular characters (Sakura on 4chan and various other places, for example).

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The design also plays an important role. There are characters with a totally empty personality, yet they are able to become popular just by their design. Also, the anime plays an important role, mainstream popular anime tend to make their main characters popular enough.

I have seen people that never played x game for example and they like x character because he/she looks strong, has good looks, etc.

That seems like a bizarre reason to like a character, honestly, but I guess that people don't have to always justify it....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Alice on November 04, 2013, 01:48:45 PM
I think when it comes to liking a character for a design alone when they don't yet have a personality, part of it may be that the design itself kinda gives the character some personality. It may be the potential of what the design could be more than anything that draws people to it. Though then, sometimes people just like a thing because they like a thing.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on November 05, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
Top three Kohaku, Ciel and Saber, in that order
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Saber on November 05, 2013, 03:02:12 PM

Personally I can't, really. I dislike the concept of Chivalry (to me it was just an excuse for the powerful to ensure that the wars they caused would have as little effect as possible on them, not to mention extremely sexist, especially the more modern concept of it) and I'm not too fond of Saber's overly-honourable and lawful nature, either. She seems to follow rules just because they're rules, and to me that is idiotic.

I do not think she had that many options though, especially as a King back then. Such ages were different and of course the modern ages are entirely different. And she is an idealist pretty much.

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I'm the opposite, honestly. A large part of why I dislike Saber so much is because of her popularity, and how she always hogs the limelight and appears everywhere. Especially when Sakura is largely ignored.

Acceptable. Very popular characters can also annoy me, especially when people care only about them. I believe part of why Sakura is the least popular out of Saber and Rin is because she is not a 'fighter' (except when she goes all yandere in HF) and because she is quite ignored in the first two routes.

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What do you mean?

I thought her route focussed on her a reasonable amount, honestly. Not as much as HF does on Sakura, no, but more than UBW does on Rin. And, Saber does get some character development outside of Fate, too.

It focused a lot on her relationship with Shirou and sadly her route wasn't that exciting. Also, as a reader, you were expected to have knowledge of Arthur's legend. It would be good enough if they could add part of her background in the route.

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Really?

I find the opposite. If a character is popular they tend to be disliked for that. Although, there is a certain hive-mind aspect that comes about sometimes, particularly with regards to attacking less-popular characters (Sakura on 4chan and various other places, for example).

I have noticed though that people like to put mainstream characters in their favorites, for example Lelouch, Light, etc. Perhaps that gives them some sort of image that they are fond of 'good' characters, even if majority of those characters are overrated.

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That seems like a bizarre reason to like a character, honestly, but I guess that people don't have to always justify it....

It is. Or they like a x character because he/she has a lot of merchandise that they can purchase.



I think when it comes to liking a character for a design alone when they don't yet have a personality, part of it may be that the design itself kinda gives the character some personality. It may be the potential of what the design could be more than anything that draws people to it. Though then, sometimes people just like a thing because they like a thing.

I am not sure how a design would give a personality. Of course, if a designer makes a cute-looking character, most of the times you can assume that the certain character will be naive. I suppose I can give an example. But I have noticed that most of the times, a character is liked due to the design.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 05, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
I do not think she had that many options though, especially as a King back then. Such ages were different and of course the modern ages are entirely different. And she is an idealist pretty much.

I honestly don't buy that argument. She was the king, of course she had options. I understand not wanting to break the law to favour herself, but in the case of Lancelot and Guineviere the law was only there to protect the king in the first place. It's utter nonsense to say that the king cannot grant clemency in such a situation, plenty of others did so.

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Acceptable. Very popular characters can also annoy me, especially when people care only about them.

Yeah, for me the problem is the proliferation of Saber-centric fanfics and, even, official stories and art, at the expense of other characters (it particularly pisses me off when people do things like drawings or merchandise of main heroines and just include Rin and Saber, just include Saber or, worse, include Saber, Rin and Ilya). Particularly since Sakura's situation is such that just leaving her out implies a bad ending on her part.

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I believe part of why Sakura is the least popular out of Saber and Rin is because she is not a 'fighter' (except when she goes all yandere in HF) and because she is quite ignored in the first two routes.

Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

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It focused a lot on her relationship with Shirou and sadly her route wasn't that exciting.

Well, it focussed on her as a character too. I would agree the route was less exciting, though.

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Also, as a reader, you were expected to have knowledge of Arthur's legend. It would be good enough if they could add part of her background in the route.

Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

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I have noticed though that people like to put mainstream characters in their favorites, for example Lelouch, Light, etc. Perhaps that gives them some sort of image that they are fond of 'good' characters, even if majority of those characters are overrated.

Well, it's hard to say, really. Perhaps those characters are liked because people see them so much they grow fond of them, perhaps they're liked to keep up an image, or perhaps they're liked because they're just characters who fit with what the viewers want to see. It's almost impossible to distinguish.

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It is. Or they like a x character because he/she has a lot of merchandise that they can purchase.

That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Saber on November 06, 2013, 08:17:32 AM

I honestly don't buy that argument. She was the king, of course she had options. I understand not wanting to break the law to favour herself, but in the case of Lancelot and Guineviere the law was only there to protect the king in the first place. It's utter nonsense to say that the king cannot grant clemency in such a situation, plenty of others did so.

Just because someone becomes a King, you think it is always up to him? Of course there are people around Kings that can manipulate them. And there are times where Kings have to tolerate certain situations. Arturia was quite young back then also, she could not have a full judgment.

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Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

She was enough. Either way, just to know, she is my least likable female in F/SN.

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Well, it focussed on her as a character too. I would agree the route was less exciting, though.

It did but not to the point of exploring her background.

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Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

Not everyone can be British, however.


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That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.

Are you serious? To me, it is wasted money and a foolish thing to do. I only buy merchandise (mainly figures) of characters I do like.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 06, 2013, 01:23:51 PM
Just because someone becomes a King, you think it is always up to him? Of course there are people around Kings that can manipulate them. And there are times where Kings have to tolerate certain situations. Arturia was quite young back then also, she could not have a full judgment.

The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

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Yeah, I think that's a fair point (although I dispute the assertion that HF Sakura is a Yandere), although I think she is a fighter, just not in that manner. And, honestly, she doesn't get any option. If she tries to fight she can only make things worse, due to Zouken's control over her.

She was enough. Either way, just to know, she is my least likable female in F/SN.

She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

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Yeah, perhaps. I never really noticed that aspect since, as a British person, I have grown up with the legend and was already very familiar with it before I even read FSN.

Not everyone can be British, however.

Yeah, sure. I was just saying I never thought of it before because, to me, it was always obvious.

Although, honestly, if Japanese people could cope with it then it's probably not all that bad. I doubt the legend of King Arthur is particularly well-known over there either....

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That seems like putting the cart before the horse to me. I mean, you don't have to like a character in order to purchase merchandise of them.

Are you serious? To me, it is wasted money and a foolish thing to do. I only buy merchandise (mainly figures) of characters I do like.

No, I am the same, I don't buy mechandise of characters I'm not interested in.

However, to me, it seems utterly idiotic to decide that you like a character solely in order that you can buy merchandise of them. If you're going to do that, then why not just buy the merchandise anyway?

I don't see how pretending to like a character to buy merchandise of them is a more sensible choice than buying merchandise of characters you don't like.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Saber on November 07, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

Depending the situation.

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She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

And that what annoyed me out of her, acting that she is not worthy for Shirou and her jealously drama.

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Yeah, sure. I was just sying I never thought of it before because, to me, it was always obvious.

Although, honestly, if Japanese people could cope with it then it's probably not all that bad. I doubt the legend of King Arthur is particularly well-known over there either....

Who knows. I would still like for some background like that to have been added.

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No, I am the same, I don't buy mechandise of characters I'm not interested in.

However, to me, it seems utterly idiotic to decide that you like a character solely in order that you can buy merchandise of them. If you're going to do that, then why not just buy the merchandise anyway?

I don't see how pretending to like a character to buy merchandise of them is a more sensible choice than buying merchandise of characters you don't like.

I did not say it was totally necessary, I find it quite stupid though. Like I said, there are many shallow reasons of favoring characters.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 07, 2013, 10:19:37 PM
The King certainly has the option to grant a pardon, yes. That has always been the case.

Depending the situation.

Not really. One of the powers of the head of state in almost every country in existence is the ability to give pardons to people who are technically guilty but whom they feel don't deserve the punishment for the crime they committed. It's an important part of ensuring fairness in the legal system.

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She's nothing like a Yandere. She spends most of HF feeling like she's not worthy for Shirou at all and just wanting to make sure he's happy, and when she turns Dark she barely cares about him at all.

And that what annoyed me out of her, acting that she is not worthy for Shirou and her jealously drama.

Zouken spent the last eleven years torturing her and teaching her that she is worthless and nothing more than his puppet. If you expect her to end up thinking anything but that then you have an extremely unrealistic attitude towards abuse victims.

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Who knows. I would still like for some background like that to have been added.

Yeah, I can't really disagree with that, even if I personally wouldn't have needed it.

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I did not say it was totally necessary, I find it quite stupid though. Like I said, there are many shallow reasons of favoring characters.

Well, yeah, definitely, I'm just not sure "I can buy lots of merchandise of them" is really a common one. I suspect that "well, everyone else likes them so I'd better act as if I do to fit in" is far more common, honestly....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on November 08, 2013, 03:45:52 AM
Yeah but Mordred screwed Arthur into a corner. Can't really blame the king for losing in that case. Like Herc killing his family and such it wasn't really their fault.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2013, 11:58:01 PM
Well, I have to put a list then...

1. Arcueid
What can I say? She is THE perfect waifu IMO. Powerful, sexy, intelligent and comes equipped with a life full of thrill.
Seriously, she is the best heroine, tough many think that she is not that good. Yeah, she earned herself the nickname of 'airhead', but that doesn't mean she is stupid, and can very well understand her situation and of those around her.

2. Shiki Ryougi
Pretty good character, with it's ups and downs, tough very well designed. Also powerful and if you pay attention, sometimes sweet, 'dere' and lovely. You can see in her some good character development, even putting aside her obviously cheating powers.

3. Aoko
I like Aoko mostly because of her personality. Pretty open-minded and not hesitant like the others. Doesn't let others affect her decisions and does what must be done when it's needed. Pretty skilled and honest, she is one of the few characters that has appeal in the TM works. Also, being one of the Magic users gets her a place on the powerlevel chart.

4. Sakura
Tough I don't consider her the best heroine because of her doubts in her rute, she was the only one who didn't bored and bother me with it's story. I don't think Altria nor Rin have the kind of personality to endure what Sakura did, and Sakura herself at least had a reasonable motive behind her actions. Powerful and gifted, she doesn't need to rely on other people that much.

5. Nero (Takeuchi design)
Simply, Nero best Saber. First, I hate Altria (and Shirou for that matter), and even tough the two 'share' a resemblance, Nero is far more sexy, appealing and charismatic than the king of britain. She has a nice story and a personality that isn't bothersome, even if said personality was planned to be like that. Also, the red suits her.


...and some others, tough not that much. That's what I think.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: lantzblades on November 09, 2013, 01:54:12 AM
Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 09, 2013, 02:43:27 AM
Well, I have to put a list then...

Well, I can't really comment on the other four, but I agree with the choice of Sakura. I'm not sure what exactly what you mean about the heroine thing, though. Do you mean you don't like pairing her up with Shirou, or do you mean that you just don't really like HF?

Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.

I don't think that was what he was saying, though. He said he didn't like Artoria, not that he didn't like her because of Nero. Even if Nero didn't exist I think he still wouldn't like Saber....
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on November 09, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
Oh yes, let me add that the Matou family is completely made of da best Masters and have unlimited gangsta prowess as a whole.

Zouken is best bad guy, cackles evilly and watches the three stooges everyday and roots for the shark in Jaws.

Shinji is best and most sexy, that coat, that overall superstar attitude and accompanying scandals.

Sakura is Best girl, cooks like a boss and fears not the worms for herself, but for those she cares for. Also has a damn good rack and child-bearing hips, damn girl.

Kariya was best photographer, sells happy Rin pictures on the black market to waifufags for easy cash like a boss and takes no shittalk from women-he-may-be-in-love-with-but-he's-not-too-sure-at-the-moment-if-they're-Aoi.

Byakuya was a drunk shinji, and drinking problems aren't cool so he's not. Also he wasn't a master, so fuck him. And nobody knows who his wife was, so whatever.

Rider is not a real Matou, but totally got killed by Shinji's previous incarnation and serves him in two out of three routes, so they're totally space-time reverse-un-remarried or something so she counts as a Matou anyway, and she's pretty cool and has a flying horse.
And everyone with a flying horse is fucking awesome. Therefore Rider is also da best even though she wasn't a master

Bottom line, Kayneth is best, Ayako is P gud, and the best masters in the 5th grail war were all of the Matou scrubs.

And those are pretty much all the characters I'd label as my favorites.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2013, 03:33:46 AM
Well I agree with a lot of your choices but I kinda hate the back draft against Arturtia because of Nero.
Oh, I didnt't mean that I hate Altria because of Nero. As @Cherry Lover said, even without Nero I would'nt like Altria.
Now, with that I don't try to say that Altria is a lame character nor am I denying her feats or story, I just don't like Shirou and Altria, being as pairing or individually. I don't think I can explain it well but, I just don't like them. :D

Well, I can't really comment on the other four, but I agree with the choice of Sakura. I'm not sure what exactly what you mean about the heroine thing, though. Do you mean you don't like pairing her up with Shirou, or do you mean that you just don't really like HF?
I meant that, in her route, Sakura was extremely dependant of Shirou. Now, Shirou did the right thing helping her and discarding his dream (yeah, even if he became her accomplice) only to save her. I know that many will think it's the perfect opposite of what it should be done and that HF was a sad ending for both, but I think that she at least endured all of those trials as it should be endured. She has a reasonable motive for doing what she did (technically it wasn't her fault tough) and she learned to accept her mistakes and take responsability for them

In contrast to Sakura, the other heroines seem a bit dull and only at the very end you see a character development in them. Mostly Altria, with her kingdom problems and she hesitantly wanting to admit it. For me Sakura had a better story and better development, even if things didn't end the happy way. Of course Rin and Altria had shining moments, but their personalities didn't seem well portrayed IMO; at least not what I'd expect from them given the setting of their own routes.



BTW, how do I multiquote?
I just did it the manual way because I didn't see a button. Did I miss it somewhere? Is there such a function? Shortcut maybe?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on November 09, 2013, 03:44:06 AM
BTW, how do I multiquote?
I just did it the manual way because I didn't see a button. Did I miss it somewhere? Is there such a function? Shortcut maybe?

Thanks in advance.
Hit the (+)quick reply button at the bottom of the page, and hit quote on the posts you want to quote. They will go to the message box, and this can happen multiple times. Afterwards, proceed as you would any post.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Elf on November 09, 2013, 10:20:25 AM
I feel like I should answer here.

Obviously, my favorite character in TM is Archer.

He comes off as a snarky asshole, but there's a whole lot more going on under there.  Plus I'm a sucker for tragic, bitter heroes.  Oh, and it doesn't hurt that he reminds me of Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel as well. 

Then there's Rin.  She's my favorite heroine in FSN.  There was just something about her that clicked that didn't with Sakura and Saber.  I like her personality and she amuses me.  Plus she's sort of adorable as well.

Let me not forget Lancer.  See, before I even heard of FSN I was doing research for my "The Law Unto Herself Chronicles" and I was looking up Celtic lore.  Well, I came upon the Morrigan and her entanglement with the Hound of Ulster.  To see him represented made me happy.  To see that he was so awesome- his laid back personality, the Celtic bloodlust, and his interactions with other characters was icing on the cake.

Aoko is love.

Also, Gilgamesh makes me grin and I love Kotomine as well.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 13, 2013, 11:15:26 PM
I meant that, in her route, Sakura was extremely dependant of Shirou. Now, Shirou did the right thing helping her and discarding his dream (yeah, even if he became her accomplice) only to save her. I know that many will think it's the perfect opposite of what it should be done and that HF was a sad ending for both, but I think that she at least endured all of those trials as it should be endured. She has a reasonable motive for doing what she did (technically it wasn't her fault tough) and she learned to accept her mistakes and take responsability for them

Well, Sakura is dependant on Shirou, yes, but only because her situation basically demands it. There's nothing wrong with someone who is sick relying on the people they love. In general she's a really strong person, and I think that she would certainly be capable of standing up for herself.

I also would certainly not say Shirou acted wrongly in HF. I can see the argument for killing Sakura the second time around, if you ignore the fact that only a complete raving moron would trust Zouken's motives at that point, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Shirou to murder the girl he loves in cold blood whilst she's lying in bed sleeping....

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In contrast to Sakura, the other heroines seem a bit dull and only at the very end you see a character development in them. Mostly Altria, with her kingdom problems and she hesitantly wanting to admit it. For me Sakura had a better story and better development, even if things didn't end the happy way. Of course Rin and Altria had shining moments, but their personalities didn't seem well portrayed IMO; at least not what I'd expect from them given the setting of their own routes.

Well, IMO Rin gets more character development in HF than she does in UBW. Her relationship with Sakura is key to how she is as a person, and UBW necessarily cannot show that.

I wouldn't call the HF ending unhappy, though, at least not the True Ending. Whilst some bad things have happened, all the routes have bad things happen. For the main characters, at least, it's a happy ending.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Kat on February 22, 2014, 10:17:42 AM
My favorite char is Tamamo

Let's see:

- a fox girl
- most challenging character to play with
- best snarking about enemy Masters
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Brahmastra on July 27, 2014, 07:24:47 PM
In order;

1. Kotomine.
2. Karna.
3. Gilgamesh
4. Shirou.
5. H.C. Andersen.

Honorable Mentions: Fiore, Achilles, Rin, Enkidu, Caules, Siegfried, Vlad III, Chiron, SSS (Shakespeare, Semiramis & Shiroumine).
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: Kiritsugu_Emiya on September 03, 2014, 01:39:18 PM
Alright, lets see my favorite character is Shirou/Archer (Yes I consider them the same character). Kirei is my second favorite with either Gilgamesh or Rin being third, Cu is still great and I'm a big fan of Medea myself. I'm also fond of Saber and Illya. Avenger is amazing, from Zero I'm fond of Kiritsugu,Kayneth,Waver and Rider. Apo isn't far enough for me to chose a favorite, Leo was probably my favorite Extra character other then Nameless but that's not saying much.

On the Tsukihime side of things I've grown fond of Tohno recently and from the heroines I guess I'm fond of Ciel,Akiha and Kohaku. Aoko is also great

Oh and I'm also fond of Mikaya from Knk.
Title: Re: Favorite Type-MOON Character(s)?
Post by: SINIB on September 03, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
Sakura, all the way.