Dark Side of the Moon

Well, I've had some more thoughts on Rider's relationship to Sakura, and on what would happen with Caster.

Firstly, with regards to Rider, I'd say that Sakura would be friends with her and accept her summonings because she actually knows how to make Sakura feel good (plus, she gives Sakura anyone she needs to kill). I mean, your average summoner is likely to be a complete asshole (because the willingness to sacrifice a human life just to get laid is rather incompatible with anything else), which means that they're likely to see Sakura as nothing more than a fuck-toy, and have sex with her without regard for her enjoyment. Which, for a succubus (who is going to have a very high sex drive), isn't much fun. Rider, on the other hand, would actually treat Sakura as a partner rather than a sex toy, because she's actually a reasonably nice person, and she also knows that having a friendly succubus you can call on whenever you like does wonders for your sex life. OK, so she might be rather rough with Sakura, but she also gives her mind-blowing orgasms, and Sakura would happily meet up with her for that reason (and, also, for the companionship, because Rider would see her as a friend, not just someone to fuck).

As for Caster, I think she should have a personal grudge against either Sakura, her family or demons in general, and have set the whole thing up specifically so she could capture her (or someone similar) and exact revenge. She'd have kidnapped a bunch of people to feed to Sakura (to keep her alive and to allow her to heal her wounds so she can continue torturing her), used one of them to perform the summoning and then locked Sakura away in a magical prison, where she would torture her. Shirou would then find out about the missing people (possibly with some prodding from Rider or Rin) and go hunting for her. I'd say that Sakura would be torturd for at least a couple of weeks before she's rescued. In that time, amongst other things, Caster would use a magical spell on Sakura preventing her orgasming, and another spell that keeps her in a constantly aroused state. We'd see at least some of this whilst Shirou is going around doing other things.

When Shirou gets there, he'd confront Caster, and find out that she was holding a demon prisoner (and possibly why). Caster would probably offer to stop feeding the demon and to torture her to death, and invite Shirou to join her in doing so. He would refuse, initially thinking Sakura needs to be killed quickly but, seeing the state she's in (helpless, suffering horribly, crying for her sister etc.), he can't bring himself to do it, and frees her, taking her home with him to recuperate, and deciding to try to find a way to keep her alive without killing anyone. Not sure what would happen to Caster, but I'd like to see her end up in hell at Rin and Sakura's mercy.

Of course, Sakura is extremely horny (having been denied orgasm for two weeks), and seduces Shirou, promising not to harm him in any way. Shirou accepts, because she's a horny succubus and seducing people is her job, and they have mind-blowing sex. She also complains that she's hungry (he offers her food, but she says that she doesn't eat normal food), and he most likely offers to let her feed on him (of course, she wouldn't want to kill him). He ends up becoming very attached to her and vice-versa, and manages to get her to agree not to kill people in the future, and to try to feed on people who actually deserve it. She probably also takes him back to hell at some point, to meet her sister.

Also, aren't Succubi supposed to go and seduce people, rather than relying on being summoned?

Gross

What?

also make it a live studio audience

Well, that will be difficult to do given the nature of the game, I would say. The team that is running away needs to be able to hide, after all, and I was intending the game to be played outdoors. Although, I guess the bad guy's base (which will be where they bring captives) could be in a studio....

Simply put she's just a shield for Sakura it's hard to get her out from that

But you could just as easily say Saber is "just a shield for Shirou" or that Archer is "just a shield for Rin". That is what a servant does.

There is a serious problem here, though, because our goals for this story seem to be difficult to reconcile. I don't like your general approach to Rider (I've discussed it with you before), and I don't like the way that you're setting it up so Sakura will end up without any role unless we really force it. It's not a matter of her strength or anything, she simply has no way to fight without a servant, because that's how Grail Wars work. If we try to give her a good and significant role despite that, it'll just look forced.

Hype  machine for the  show

Yeah, so someone like Caster isn't a great choice, because she makes a good "bad guy". Not sure who would be, though....

Single team with studio appointed bad guys

Yeah, makes sense.

In that case, I'd say the "bad guys" would be Rider, Caster and probably at least one guy (not sure who, possibly Lancer). Maybe a few more could be added too.

As for the presenter, I dunno. I'm not entirely sure what their role would be here.

as for the idea, first pick a host dude, every show has one

Well, yeah, of course. I'm not sure the host is the most important role, though, and we should also work out the general structure....

point of order: it's giving unconfirmed characters magic circuits, not making them magi

It's still stupid, at least if you do it to everyone. Plus, it requires Rider to actively seek out such a person, which there is no reason for her to do.

Doing it with one servant/master (Ayako and Caster) is within the realms of suspension of disbelief, but doing it with two is just stupid. There are not that many magi around, and even if there are Rider has to find one of them.

I do not want to sideline either character but something has to give here

Yes, but I do not like the idea you're suggesting, one bit. Not least because her protectiveness of Sakura is the thing I like the most about Rider.

Plus, like I said, with the way you're aiming to go we will end up side-lining them both.

rider likes sakura but she's hardly obsessed with her, she has things and thoughts beyond sakura.

Erm, I think you're seriously underestimating how much she cares for Sakura. Sure, she does have a life aside from just "protect Sakura", but it's clear that she is extremely devoted to Sakura, and would do anything to protect her.

well you need to set up a back story for caster first

What do you mean?

as for rider ok, still there needs to be a lead up, monsters wouldn't typically summon a devil.

Well, OK, fair enough.

More details on the setting would be helpful....