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General Discussion / Hair colours
« on: July 13, 2015, 12:56:32 AM »
So, I've just been linked to an article discussing anime hair colours, which includes a discussion of Rin and Sakura. What it says is very interesting.

So, it seems that Sakura (and Rin) both actually have black hair. The purple hair is simply for artistic effect. I obviously can't read the text on the image, but KAIZA said that it did actually have the kanji for black, and Koto posted something similar on her tumblr page.

Note the writing on the left:

# idk about yugioh but this reminds me of how people are like 'why didn't rin notice that sakura had purple hair'
# when sakura's hair is repeatedly described as black
# meanwhile rider's hair is described as purple because she's a mythical being and not a japanese highschooler

I'm amazed that this hasn't been widely picked up on before. I think it may be because the English translation cuts out the hair colour (I checked the LP, and the scene shown here does not mention the word "black" at all, or say anything about her hair colour in any way), and few of us can actually speak Japanese.

So, I don't know how many of you have been following this story, but a while back some Spanish guy took Google to the EU court to force them to remove links (in the EU only) to an article that showed him to have previously been in debt, and won ( As a result, Google set up a process to allow people to remove theirselves from search results which, predictably, was abused by every asshole imaginable, from Paedophiles who want to hide their past to corrupt politicians ( Now, though, we finally have an actual concrete example, thanks to Google's decision to at least inform people of the removal of their links.

Some idiot banker called Stan O'Neil, who was fired from Merill Lynch for losing them a ton of money, attempted to get a BBC blog post about him removed from the Google search results, and seemingly succeeded. Except that, as part of their process, Google sent a message to the BBC informing them of the removal and the possibility of an appeal, which the BBC then posted. is the link, if you're interested (I suggest you read it, the guy deserves all the negative publicity he can get).

Of course, in this case the whole thing has backfired badly (try Googling for "Sam O'Neal", even through the EU search engine), but in the case of a less popular site that doesn't have the initial readership to make the whole thing go viral, it could perhaps have worked. Further, there is no indication to a user performing a search that any results have even been removed, so there's no way to know if you're getting the full picture. There is, of course, a bypass route, if you use it will use the generic, non-country-specific search engine (which is uncensored), and for anyone who would rather search in a language other than English, I guess you can just use a server from a country that speaks the same language as you, but even knowing you need to use it is difficult.

By the way, no, it is not in any way "illegal" for me to post this here (not that I would care even if it was, the server for DSM is hosted in the US not Europe precisely because the US has stronger protections for freedom of speech, and I quite frankly couldn't give two hoots if I'm breaking British law, I've done that often enough already), the ruling only applies to Google specifically (the article is still there, for example, it's just that Google won't link to it).

Real World Topics / 2014 FIFA World Cup
« on: June 16, 2014, 10:19:36 PM »
So, what do you guys think of the World Cup so far?

England seem to be in a bit of trouble, you would rather not lose your first match, but I think we played reasonably well and were somewhat unlucky. Based on Uruguay's last match I think we'll beat them, and I think we probably should be able to beat Costa Rica as well, so I think we'll go through.

Spain, on the other hand, are in real trouble, IMO. They've pretty much got to win their remaining two games now (and Chile are a pretty good team), if they lose they're out, and if they draw they're in big trouble (because their goal difference is so bad). And, if they do make it through, they're almost certain to play Brazil in the second round....


Jesus Christ, this is utterly horrendous. Apparently GCHQ is intercepting all Yahoo webcam traffic (without Yahoo's approval, might I add) and storing snapshots (including a large portion of sexually explicit content) on a server, without any attempt to identify legitimate targets or exclude illegitimate ones. This is quite possibly the worst violation of privacy I've yet seen from any of these agencies, and we've already seen quite a few....

Real World Topics / TPP: The newest version of ACTA
« on: November 19, 2013, 04:28:21 PM »
So, it seems like the US government is attempting to negotiate yet another secret treaty to force its copyright laws on everyone else. Apparently it's called TPP and, whilst it doesn't affect the UK or EU just yet (so will not affect me personally), it's still something that needs to be dealt with.

Once again, corporations have free access to the text and the right to make suggestions and alterations, whilst the general public and even politicians are kept out in the cold until they can be presented with a fait-accompli. Fortunately, though, Wikileaks has been leaked a copy and published it, so it is at least possible for people to protest and, hopefully, kill it like SOPA and ACTA were killed by mass opposition.

Fanfiction / Fate/Sacrifice
« on: November 02, 2013, 05:51:43 PM »
A disembodied voice comes out of the darkness.

“Do you understand the consequences of making this deal?”

Kariya is dreaming again. The same dream he has had every night since the war began. A sad dream, of a sacrifice made on behalf of a girl he doesn't know.

“Yes, I understand”, the man – his servant – replies.

“And you still wish to go through with it?”

He hears the disembodied voice again.

“Yes, I do”, his servant replies, “I want her to be happy. She deserves a chance to live a happy life”

“Very well then, we have a deal”

As the voice says this, he sees a young woman, who looks oddly familiar. She appears to be in pain, but is smiling anyway, seemingly for the first time in a long while.

Suddenly, Kariya awakens from his dream, pain shooting through his body.


He screams in agony. As he screams, he recalls a memory, the cause of his current suffering.

“Then, Let’s begin the preparations without delay. We will finish the treatment immediately. If you want to reconsider, do it right now.”

He had merely nodded his head. Any possibility of saving himself had been lost at that moment.

Briefly, he feels regret.

“How could I be so stupid?” he thinks, “throwing away my life for a one in a million chance of saving...”

And he stops himself mid-thought, as he remembers why he is fighting. A memory of watching a happy, black-haired, four-year-old girl, playing in the park with her mother and older sister.

“Stop it, Nee-san!”, she says, laughing. “MUM!”

Her mother comes running over. He thinks of her too. Zenjou – no, Tohsaka – Aoi. His childhood friend and true love. He feels another pang of regret. If only he had been stronger, if only he had pursued her first, then none of this would have happened.

His memories return to the girl. Now a year older, and changed beyond all belief. Once a happy, outgoing, black-haired girl, a year of his treatment had left her totally broken and in constant agony, with unnatural purple hair and eyes. He alone amongst living people had some idea of what she had been through. After all, he had been put through it himself.

He breaks down in tears, his sadness and sorrow for her matched only by his hatred of them. When he started this war, his only aim was to get the Grail, to save her the only way that he could. However, his servant was reluctant to fight for it, reluctant to give it to Zouken. It was almost as if his servant knew how evil that old man was. He begins to wonder if there is another way...

He thinks back to what he had been told about the war, when he was being “trained”. He was told that, in the absence of a catalyst, a master would summon a servant with a similar personality to their own, with similar aims and goals. Further, they would have a link to each other. They would be able to see each others memories, and feel each others feelings to a certain extent.

He begins to think about Berserker. “Similar aims and goals”, Zouken had said. The dreams made sense now. They were similar. They had both sacrificed themselves for a girl. He thinks back to the dream, the strangely familiar girl that he saw. He cannot think who she is. He begins to drift back to sleep, the pain gone.

As his drifts off, he begins to wonder about his servant, about the girl he sacrificed himself for.

I wonder, was his sacrifice worth the cost?

Then he thinks, "was mine?"

He realises that the last question is as yet unanswered. His actions in this war will determine it. So, he thinks back to the first question, back to the girl. The strangely familiar girl. Who is she? He only got a glimpse of her, not enough to tell. He begins to think again. He wonders what her life was like.

What happened to her, to force him to make this deal?

Was she as worthy of his servant's sacrifice as Sakura was of his?

Did he get his wish, did they live happily together?

Ultimately, was it worth it?

He thinks back to his earlier two questions. He knows that the answer to the second is not yet known. However, in his mind, the answer to the first question is already determined, the scenario having played itself out long ago in some far-away land.

He makes his mind up. He will ask his servant about his life tomorrow. He will ask him the answer to the first question, and will ask him if he can help set the answer to the second one.

He drifts off to sleep, not yet realising how closely connected the answers really are....

OK, this is a fic I started a long time ago (it's the reason I went to BL in the first place) but never got around to finishing. I thought I'd resurrect it and try to get it done (although this chapter I wrote a long way back).

What does everyone think of it? Is it good?

General Discussion / Which character(s) are you like?
« on: October 16, 2013, 01:40:03 AM »
So, I thought an interesting thread would be one where people discuss which character or characters they think they share traits with.

Personally, I think I am somewhat like a mix of Shirou, Rider and, if I'm honest, a bit of Shinji. I have Shirou's idealism, desire to do the right thing, willingness to fight for what I believe in and complete lack of any concept of "giving up". But, I'm also loyal and protective of my friends like Rider, and I have her total disregard for rules or limits when it comes to doing something she wants to do. Plus, obviously, I have her sexual sadism (although in my case it's not something I can see me ever acting on without consent) and, also, her shyness around people I don't really know that well. I'm also like Rider in that I'm nice to people who are nice to me or who I care about, but nasty to people who fuck me over, although I don't take it to anything like the extent she does.

And, honestly, I'm somewhat like Shinji might have been if he wasn't obsessed with being something he can never be. I'm not a bad person, at all, but if someone crosses me I can be extremely vengeful, and I can also sometimes be a bit selfish and inconsiderate of other people even when I do mean well. In the right situation I can be very nice and helpful, but if you put me up against the wall and trample on me I will fight back, even if that means hurting people who don't deserve to be hurt. I am not someone who gives up on something even when I can't win. But, at the same time, I am a complete coward in some ways. I will fight hard, but if I really believe I am in danger, especially physical danger, I will run like hell.

I also think I'm somewhere in between Rider and Shirou in terms of my trust in people, although possibly Archer would be a better comparison there, due to the way he's developed over time. I naturally do tend to be very trusting of people and willing to believe that they're mostly well-intentioned, but I've been bitten so many times as a result of this (Altima is just the most recent example, although it's the one that has hit me the hardest) that I am starting to become very cynical and find it hard to trust people even when I perhaps should. Perhaps that's just a natural progression for someone very trusting, especially when they lack social skills (I've heard people argue that Shirou has Asperger's before, although I find that somewhat questionable). When you fail to judge who you can and can't trust consistently (or, worse, as I did, recognise intellectually that you can't trust someone and yet still give them the benefit of the doubt, as I did with Altima towards the end), you end up trusting no-one. I think that is one of the things that differentiates Shirou from Archer and, honestly, I think Rider's lack of trust in people was learned in a similar way.

So, what do you guys think? Which characters do you most resemble, personality-wise?

General Discussion / Questions thread
« on: July 27, 2013, 08:19:14 PM »
If anyone has any questions to ask about the Nasuverse or anything related to it, then please ask in this thread.

Real World Topics / PRISM, spying and the US attitude to foreigners
« on: June 12, 2013, 02:20:27 AM »
I dunno how much people have been following the recent revelations about just how much the US government has been spying on us, but frankly I think it's rather disturbing. Apparently, they've been recording the details of phone calls of everyone in the US, in secret and without any public knowledge or oversight (although there are secret courts to cover it).

Frankly, I think it's disgusting. It is one thing to argue that the US government needs to get information like this, but that argument should be one to be had in public, not behind closed doors. People have the right to know what is being done in their name, as far as possible. For example, our government is considering making laws to allow this sort of thing, but at least they're doing it in the open, and having a debate over it (which resulted in the law being shelved). The US just does it in private and circumvents constitutional protections and public opinion.

But, what is even more disturbing from the point of view of someone who isn't in the US, but uses US services (which is probably about 75% of the world) is the way that the US seems to think that people outside of their borders don't have rights, and can be snooped-on at will without any court orders.

The more I hear about stuff like this, the more it astounds me that most Americans don't understand why the rest of the world hates them. The US attitude seems to be that freedom is a fundamental right if and only if you're American, otherwise we can do whatever we like, and frankly I find that absolutely disgraceful, and damn hypocritical too. Freedom applies to everyone, not just to US citizens. And, if you want to do business with the rest of the world you can't treat them like dirt.

The most annoying part of it, though, is that boycotting US companies is simply not an option (hell, even this forum is hosted in the US, due to this country's ridiculously moralistic obscenity laws), however much they have demonstrated they cannot be trusted.

Here is what the guy who leaked the information has to say.

Personally, I think the guy is a hero. He knows the likely outcome of what he's done, but yet he chose to stand up to the government and hold them to account for their decisions. We need more people who do this, who tell the government they won't allow such abuses.

Finally, I also noticed this:

Apparently, Anonymous has hacked into Prism, and has details of calls made by various US citizens, including Obama. This could get very juicy. And, frankly, it's what they bloody deserve for snooping on everyone like that.

What I also like about it is the way the US government said "nope, they can't have hacked it, Prism doesn't exist". Which is quite obviously bullshit.

Fanfiction / Crossover ideas thread
« on: June 05, 2013, 11:24:02 PM »
This thread is for posting any fics that are a cross-over between TM and any other fandom.

Fanfiction / Fanfic ideas thread
« on: May 19, 2013, 03:10:14 AM »
OK, this is a thread for discussing TM fanfiction ideas.

I have a couple of things I've been thinking of, and need to flesh out. The first is a story which follows initially along the UBW route, but diverges when Shinji is killed instead of Rider, forcing Rider back into Sakura's control. My eventual intention for it is for Sakura to be forced into the war, and for it to develop such that Shirou is paired with Sakura and Rin with Archer. But, I'm not sure how to make it develop in that direction, and I could do with some help.

Another idea I had a while back (although it's admittedly been kind-of done in various places since I first had the idea) was for a story in which Zouken is somehow "purified" in the third war by some AU servant, causing him to revert to being a normal old man, and realise some of the horrible stuff he's done. He's still somewhat of a dick, but within normal magus bounds, and he's now interested in passing on his family magecraft in a normal manner rather than immortality for himself.

As a result, he raises Kariya as a magus and, since the family magic doesn't involve worm-rape, he doesn't run away like in canon, and inherits the Matou family leadership when Zouken dies (some time prior to him reaching adulthood). Even so, Aoi still marries Tokiomi, and has Sakura and Rin, but she remains close friends with Kariya (even more so than in canon). When it comes to the point where Tokiomi realises he needs someone to adopt Sakura, Kariya is the natural choice, since Aoi trusts him, he's an allied family (who needs an heir much like in canon) and he is in this timeline more conscious of the usual magus mindset (although he's still a nice guy, and cares deeply for the girls as people).

Since Zouken has brought him up to be a magus, Kariya does actually desire to pass on the family magic, and thus does take on Sakura for the benefit of the family as well as for her own benefit, and he therefore does train her as a Matou magus to some extent (which is likely to be somewhat painful). However, he also loves her like he would his own daughter, and hates the fact that he is causing her pain sometimes.

As a result, whilst her training is sometimes harsh, he is always there to comfort her, and he always tries to give her a choice and to make her life generally happy, as well as making it up to her after the training by giving her rewards. Basically, he's much more of a magus than in canon and is still trying to turn her into the Matou heir or someone who will produce an heir, but unlike Zouken he genuinely cares for her well-being in the same way as Tokiomi cares for Rin's, and wants her to have a successful and ideally happy life in her own right, rather than just being a pawn for the continuation of the family.

Also, he does try to create an alliance between his family and the Tohsakas, reasoning that it's in both of their best interests, and also not wanting the sisters to be seperated more than necessary. It's likely that he would fight alongside Tokiomi in the fourth war, as allies. Tokiomi would still die, and Rin would be raised by Aoi, but it's possible that Kariya would marry her after Tokiomi's death, reuniting the sisters. If not Rin and Sakura would be very close, and Sakura would probably stay overnight at Aoi's regularly, being encouraged by Kariya to refer to her as her mother (and Rin as her sister). They would therefore go into the fifth war as allies, although they would both desire to win the Grail in their own right. Admittedly, I'm not sure where to actually take this story yet, it just seems like an interesting setting....

So, what do you think of these ideas? Any ideas on how to make them work, or what to do with them? Any ideas of your own?

Fanfiction / Lemon idea thread
« on: May 17, 2013, 10:13:56 PM »
OK, this is a thread to post discussions of lemon ideas you have, for any Type-Moon story.

Announcements / The Arcade
« on: April 19, 2013, 06:20:22 PM »
In case anyone hadn't noticed, we've added an Arcade, for playing flash games. There is an announcement on the topic, but in case people haven't noticed it, it is at;aid=4.

Fan Clubs / Cherry Blossom Club
« on: April 15, 2013, 11:51:00 PM »
The Cherry Blossom Club
Fanclub for the lovely Matou Sakura

Any pictures showing Sakura in a positive light are welcome, as are discussions about her. Images involving other characters are also welcome, especially Rider, Kariya, Rin and Shirou.

Anyone who wishes to join the club should post in the thread, and they will be added to the list.

Cherry Lover
Willy Vereb

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