Dark Side of the Moon

Type Moon => Fanfiction => Topic started by: lantzblades on November 10, 2013, 07:36:07 PM

Title: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on November 10, 2013, 07:36:07 PM
Given that Fate and Tsukihime is an ero novel I thought it's high time we had a discussion regarding lemons. From the novel itself to what you want to read pairing wise from other writers on site or in general.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Prince Charon on November 21, 2013, 04:42:14 AM
Should discussing a title for a lemon go here, or to the 'Trouble with titles' thread?  There's one I've been discussing with Cherry lover that needs one, and at last check, neither of us had come up with one.  Once I have a bit more, I was thinking of posting the start in this thread, to see what people thought, and getting a title for it would seem to be part of that.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on November 21, 2013, 04:45:43 AM
If you're looking for a title specifically then it would go in the "trouble with titles" thread. If you want to discuss the fic more generally, then it would go here.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on November 28, 2013, 05:43:05 PM
Just to kick things off, I don't have a favorite pairing, in my case when it comes to lemons I just want happy stories. If I had to have a preference it would be that the villains are never given screen time. I hate ntr and the like. When writing lemons I'm more partial to Shirou then Archer because I see Archer in my head as locked in with Rin and not other girls.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on December 05, 2013, 01:50:21 AM
Well, my favourite pairing is Shirou x Sakura, but in terms of lemon scenes I tend to like things involving Sakura, Rider (although not really with Shirou except as a threesome, since I think that would really hurt Sakura) and sometimes Rin (in Rin's case mainly with another girl, or BDSMy stuff).

Also, anything BDSMy, especially involving those characters. In general, the more hardcore it is the better. I do like extreme sadism, as well as humiliation, domination etc. Generally, I prefer the girl to be on the receiving end, but I do also like things where the guy is the sub.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Andoriol on April 02, 2014, 10:36:30 PM
I am a pervert. I'll leave my preferences at that.

Something I always found helpful for lemons was when writing, to leave focus on one specific body part or action per paragarph, wax a bit of poetic, but generally avoid words like "member", "penis", "vagina", etc., directly referring to those body parts runs a risk of triggering a readers personal filters and emotional contexts for those words, some people find the word penis too clinical for a scene of passionate sex, but others find words like member to be too overused/silly. To my mild surprise, the breasts and nipples don't seem to have this problem, though the word "boobs" is generally considered too silly for passionate scenes.

While the usual things about good writing are all required, good pacing, flowing diction, in character, easy to visualize, etc. are all important, I found that word choice and ease of visualization were more important than anything else. Good pacing is also high up there, but can be let slide if it's HAWT, and people tend to not mind how in-character people are when they're reading about their SEXORZ. Being vague is your friend, as letting the person visualize things as they think is hottest allows the most powerfully erogenous organ to do its job, the brain.

These are general trends obviously, but something I've noticed in my readings of lemons and their comments/reviews as well as my own forays into them in different fandoms.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 03, 2014, 02:54:30 AM
Yeah, I do think that characterisation tends not to be something people worry too much about when reading porn. Certainly I tend to be quite OK reading H doujins where I know damn well Sakura is horribly OOC.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: The Man With All The Cute Boats on April 03, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
H doujins have the visual aspect though. For text, to keep the reader immersed you need to be able to make them image the characters and have them be at least somewhat believable to not make them go wait what and break the constructed image.

Either that or you can write stuff in a way that is really boner tingling so people straight up skip the dialog to hear about how character A is fucking character b in the bathroom against the mirror for added visuals.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Andoriol on April 04, 2014, 12:20:10 AM
I'd really say that dialogue/IC-ness is only really required for setting up the scene for the sexies (in purely pr0nz works, in works with pr0nz as a side note, it's obviously more important). Once you get BONER MODE ACTIVATED you can let stuff slide because PENIS DOES WHAT PENIS WANTS. Effectively at least.

From my experience, you need enough (of all the things) to avoid breaking SoD, but otherwise it's not hugely important to the lemon itself.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 08, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
Well, I think it depends. If you're talking about stuff like sexual preferences, people will probably let that slide if it leads to good porn (I've never seen anyone who claimed to dislike a PWP fic solely on the basis that the characters would never find each other attractive, or would never perform the act in question). If you're talking about basic characterisation, though, I think it does matter. If someone starts acting completely OOC, it breaks the immersion and ruins the concept that you're reading about that character having sex.

Even then, though, I think it depends somewhat on the character, and on the reader. If you're a strong fan of one character and you're reading the porn primarily for that character, you're probably not going to be too bothered if the rest are OOC and, similarly, a lot of people won't be overly bothered if the character of their own gender (in a straight pairing, I mean) is somewhat OOC because a lot of the time they're basically projecting theirself onto that character anyway.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Elf on April 09, 2014, 01:52:54 AM
I'm sad that there's not much Archer (Or Lancer even) lemon fanfic out there. 

At least that I didn't write.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 09, 2014, 02:25:31 AM
Yeah, I'd say the same about Sakura, particularly of the BDSM variety. Most of what is there is stuff I requested somehow, and now I can't really even do that....
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 09, 2014, 12:26:17 PM
BDSM Sakura? Dunno about others, but I find BDSM with a rape victim involved disturbing. I would rather read Dead Apostle Sakura sucking on Sempai's blood.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 09, 2014, 01:11:36 PM
Personally I don't at all (indeed, I think it is not uncommon even in real life for abuse victims to enjoy BDSM), but I think it's not an uncommon feeling, which is why I think most Sakura fans don't write porn of that form.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on April 09, 2014, 07:01:42 PM
Mike, your tastes also tend pretty damn extreme on the BDSM side.

Needles.txt anyone?
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 09, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
Yes, I am well aware of that. But, that doesn't make my statement any less true.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 09, 2014, 08:19:11 PM
Actually before looking it up I considered the idea to be disturbing but actually I found out that victims of abuse end up making great strides in healing by taking the power from the event. Bdsm is a fairly common option in such a case for said return of power
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on April 09, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
Yes, I am well aware of that. But, that doesn't make my statement any less true.

It might not but it's probably part of the reason you aren't seeing more Sakura. You sort of ruined her character for a load of people.

It's basically a law of avaliablility. Let's say there's 10 fans writing lemons. Even if BDSM is a fetish of all 10, it probably won't factor in to about half of those lemons. Of those remaining, it's mostly going to be the lighter things. And that's anothor 2 or 3 gone. So there's now only 2 people into the harder stuff. And they probably won't go for the stuff as extreme as you like it.

Now, this is being very generous with the numbers here, but basically 'Write it your fucking self' is what comes into play here.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 09, 2014, 09:27:11 PM
It might not but it's probably part of the reason you aren't seeing more Sakura. You sort of ruined her character for a load of people.

What the fuck are you talking about? How does my fetish have anything to do with the amount of Sakura porn?

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It's basically a law of avaliablility. Let's say there's 10 fans writing lemons. Even if BDSM is a fetish of all 10, it probably won't factor in to about half of those lemons. Of those remaining, it's mostly going to be the lighter things. And that's anothor 2 or 3 gone. So there's now only 2 people into the harder stuff. And they probably won't go for the stuff as extreme as you like it.

Well, yes, of course. It is self-evident that, the more niche your desire, the less likely it is to be fulfilled (unless, of course, you request someone write it, which is now a lot harder for me than it used to be). Still, there are such stories for other characters, and Sakura just gets massively under-used in general.

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Now, this is being very generous with the numbers here, but basically 'Write it your fucking self' is what comes into play here.

Yeah, the problem with that statement is that stuff you write yourself isn't particularly enjoyable for you to read.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 10, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
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Actually before looking it up I considered the idea to be disturbing but actually I found out that victims of abuse end up making great strides in healing by taking the power from the event. Bdsm is a fairly common option in such a case for said return of power

It is not funny, you know. Joking about abuse like that is tasteless.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 12:37:54 PM
I don't see anything in that statement whatsoever that could be seen as a joke. It's obviously a serious statement, and one that is actually often true.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 10, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
...

WTF?
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 12:56:43 PM
What is the problem?
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 10, 2014, 01:17:50 PM
SM and rape victims. That is all.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 01:21:56 PM
Yeah, I don't see a problem. You can dislike it if you want, but you do not have the right to impose your views on anyone else, and claiming that someone was joking when they clearly are not is just bullshit.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 10, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
I'm not FBI or NSA, so don't worry about me complaining at a Chinese porn game forums, hue.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 10, 2014, 05:03:33 PM
Taking the power from a traumatic event is good therapy regardless of the event's source. It's not a joke or opinion it's measured science fact. In the case of victims of sexual abusive doing thing which empower them in the bedroom is a way to overcome the scars. I know this from research and several testimonials from victims themselves.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 05:06:15 PM
Well, I would imagine it depends on the person in question. Some people would find it empowering, but others might have a different reaction (particularly if they were the submissive one). But, certainly it's not an uncommon feeling, and I actually know people who are past victims of abuse and who practice BDSM so, as you say, there is actual factual evidence of it being the case for at least some people.

I think saying "all victims would see it this way" as a blanket thing is probably not valid, but certainly many of them do, particularly if they trust their partner (as Sakura would with Shirou) and know that he would never do anything she is not comfortable with. It can certainly be healing to go through similar situations to your abuse, but in a more controlled environment with someone you trust and where you hold the real power (because they're only doing it with your full consent). As you say, it gives the ability to look past it and get over what happened, by giving you power over events you previously had no power over.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 10, 2014, 08:27:21 PM
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Taking the power from a traumatic event is good therapy regardless of the event's source. It's not a joke or opinion it's measured science fact. In the case of victims of sexual abusive doing thing which empower them in the bedroom is a way to overcome the scars. I know this from research and several testimonials from victims themselves.

Extensive links, please.

The burden on the proof is on the one who claims.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 08:57:40 PM
Only if he cares about convincing you, which he may not.

Also, for the record, I don't condone rape in any manner, and I certainly wouldn't want to rape Sakura, or turn her into a sex slave or similar. I like the idea of doing BDSM stuff with her, yes, but I would never want her to be enslaved to my will more generally, or to not live her own life (even the needles thing that Arch alluded to was consensual and time-limited). I do find stories involving her getting raped erotic, yes, but I also tend to prefer the person doing it to be punished for their actions, and I don't consider it an acceptable thing to do in any way.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Alice on April 10, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
The problem here is that rape is kinda, well... it's kinda a touchy subject. Saying that rape victims are into one type of sex or another is getting into some sensitive territory. The other problem here is that what lantz said is making it sound like a blanket statement, and then not providing links or anything of any sort to back up said statement, and combining that with the sensitivity of the material, well... Yeah. Honestly, it might not hurt to have links of some kind here, or just drop the subject entirely, because of how sensitive this topic is. Because.... yeaaaaahh....

Honestly, a change of subject pretty soon might benefit everyone. We've been getting into some pretty uncomfortable territory here... Mike, I know you well enough that you're not trying to hurt anything, but that last post definitely isn't helping. ^^"
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 10, 2014, 09:14:12 PM
The problem here is that rape is kinda, well... it's kinda a touchy subject. Saying that rape victims are into one type of sex or another is getting into some sensitive territory. The other problem here is that what lantz said is making it sound like a blanket statement, and then not providing links or anything of any sort to back up said statement, and combining that with the sensitivity of the material, well... Yeah. Honestly, it might not hurt to have links of some kind here, or just drop the subject entirely, because of how sensitive this topic is. Because.... yeaaaaahh....

Well, yeah, I know rape is a touchy subject, it's just unfortunately also part of my interests when it comes to erotic work. And, BDSM in general is even more so, which means it's kind-of hard for me to discuss anything without bringing it up.

Also, I think you are slightly misinterpreting Lantz's statement. He wasn't saying "all rape victims would benefit from doing BDSM", he was saying "victims benefit from being able to put the event behind them, and BDSM can be a way to do that for some people".

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Honestly, a change of subject pretty soon might benefit everyone. We've been getting into some pretty uncomfortable territory here...

Sure, but it's kind-of hard for me to talk about lemons without mentioning BDSM stuff and, well, Sakura is my favourite character, so....

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Mike, I know you well enough that you're not trying to hurt anything, but that last post definitely isn't helping. ^^"

Yeah, it's mostly in response to some crap I read on BL about me wanting to enslave Sakura and being jealous of Zouken. I'm sick of people making up bullshit about me and it going unchallenged, and I can't challenge it on BL, so....
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 11, 2014, 04:13:55 AM
No X, in this case, it's not. Because as mike says, I don't care if you believe me.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Alice on April 11, 2014, 04:20:35 AM
....lantz, you do know that's a really bad response to have, especially when discussing subject matter as delicate as this, don't you?

Quite frankly, lantz, after certain things that you've written, I think you should kinda present proof here. Lest you sink even lower in my books than you already are. Because mother of christ. Because otherwise I'd even be tempted to say that you don't even have the right to discuss this, because Jesus Christ, are you coming off as rather disrespectful and quite frankly, creepy here.

Thin ice, lantz. Thin. Ice.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 11, 2014, 04:30:54 AM
The accounts of others in my personal life are not my business to share and no business beyond those people they choose to tell. In short no Alice, I will not give you links. In the future don't ask for such things.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Alice on April 11, 2014, 04:39:48 AM
...lantz, how is giving links stepping into your personal life? All you'd have to do is link a few legit studies. That's it. But no. Quite frankly lantz, what you're doing here kinda comes off as trolling. Respond like this again, and you're getting another warning, understood? Because how dare you treat something like rape as petty as this? You have absolutely no right whatsoever.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 11, 2014, 04:51:51 AM
Because a large part of this consensus is from my personal life, I'm not fucking trolling or treating anything as petty. Don't ever fucking accuse me of that again. I won't take such shit talk lightly. I've let alot go but I won't be fucking warned for having a sense of god damn decency for my friends Alice.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Alice on April 11, 2014, 05:07:47 AM
...That's it. lantz, you've crossed the line.

Take a two week vacation. Be grateful this isn't a permaban.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 11, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
OK, we need to discuss this. Bans are given out by the admins as a group, not one individual admin. I've reversed it for the moment, until we can get an actual group consensus on the matter.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on April 11, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
OK. Lantz. HEre's the thing.

Alice was never asking you about your personal life, as 'Your own personal life' is not an appropriate source for a topic as sensitive as this.  You need links to studies and the like, to prove your thesis, or to do research yourself and get it peer reviewed. So no, your personal life doesn't matter in this. It never did.

So of course then you accuse her of shittalking you when you refuse to act like an adult and back up your argument with links. Honestly, I think a ban for you is far too long in coming, but with Mike at your side you probably will avoid an actual punishment.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 11, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
Arch, just keep the fuck out, we don't need the pot stirring.

As for "academic studies", who the hell is going to go around asking rape victims "hey, I'm doing a study, do you like BDSM?". Because that damn-well would be insensitive, and it's hardly a world-shattering question to answer. I doubt such studies exist, and if you're seriously suggesting that Lantz should go out as a private citizen and try to make such a study and get it peer-reviewed then I am just going to laugh at how utterly ridiculous you are being.

So, he's relying on information from personal friends and the like, which, whilst not absolute proof of his opinion, is still enough to allow him to legitimately bring it up. And, BTW, I made the exact same damn statement (before Lantz did, in fact), so if he is wrong to say it then so am I....

Sorry, but if someone says "rape victims don't like BDSM" it is entirely reasonable to say "actually, yes, some of them do". I don't see how that is even a particularly controversial statement, and it is entirely relevant to the discussion given Sakura's backstory. Perhaps this entire argument should have been avoided, yes, but that is no excuse for continuing it by demanding actual academic studies which Lantz obviously doesn't have, and nor should Lantz be expected to retract his opinion just because he doesn't have firm proof for it. As he and I both said, X is entirely justified in saying "I don't believe it" on that basis, but since Lantz isn't bothered about convincing anyone I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on April 11, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
It's more the 'It's benificial for them to practice BDSM' bit than them liking it.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 11, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Well, I do see the logic in his statement, and he wasn't actually saying that all rape victims would find it beneficial. Doesn't mean it's correct, no, but it is not automatically wrong either. And, whilst I understand that rape in general is a sensitive topic, given the situation it was kind-of hard to avoid. Plus, I don't see what you're expecting from Lantz here, he's admitted he has no peer-reviewed evidence, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to put effort into trying to defend an argument he has no interest in defending, especially when the argument would be better off being dropped outright.

Further, when you're discussing something like that, talking to friends is actually a reasonable way of obtaining evidence (although it is certainly not proof). After all, if any such study were to happen, it would essentially just be that, but in a larger and more-controlled manner.

I think that, perhaps, the whole topic should have been avoided, but once it has happened I don't think you can reasonably demand that Lantz retract a statement he considers to be true, and he admitted he does not have academic research to back it up.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 11, 2014, 05:38:06 PM
Actually the bit about empowerment, which to say taking power over stuff that harmed you is something that is Google able. But yes, other than that there's no formal study about these things I can point to. Largely because as Mike says shit be awkward. I only have the experiences of people I know to reach my conclusions and while I shouldn't have snapped at Alice I feel as I said that those things are strictly private.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 11, 2014, 05:41:17 PM
I'd like to point out that the "taking power over stuff that harmed you" thing is general and does not refer to BDSM specifically. It's just saying that not letting your past take control is a good thing.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 11, 2014, 05:59:18 PM
As for me, I have a thing for consensual relationships with second cousins or further removed. That is all.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: KAIZA on April 11, 2014, 09:59:31 PM
After a long discussion, and given it was handed by Alice while angry, we decided to overturn lantz's ban. However, when someone requests for the topic to be dropped or changed (especially given this was a sensitive topic), it's better to heed their advice.

Lantz didn't follow Alice's request for a topic change, and for that, we've handed him a warning.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Elf on April 12, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
I generally like lemons with characters I enjoy that have good chemistry.

Bondage can be nice too.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Arch-Magos Winter on April 12, 2014, 06:58:38 PM
I generally like lemons with characters I enjoy that have good chemistry.

Bondage can be nice too.
Same.

Really, it's sort of like a cake. A lemon cake. I like the lemon, a bit of bondage can just be the frosting if I'm feeling like it.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Andoriol on April 12, 2014, 07:46:30 PM
I generally like lemons with characters I enjoy that have good chemistry.

Bondage can be nice too.
Same.

Really, it's sort of like a cake. A lemon cake. I like the lemon, a bit of bondage can just be the frosting if I'm feeling like it.
I like that analogy! Though it does beg the question of what the various fruit one can add to the cake would be and what flavor icing bondage is...
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 13, 2014, 04:56:31 PM
I like 'kissing cousins' thing in lemons. It's fine as they are second ones. My second cousin is fugly though, do not want.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 13, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't see getting into a relationship with a second cousin as wrong or even unusual. I don't really even know my second cousins....

Personally, I wouldn't even say that a relationship with a cousin was particularly bad, although it is on the borderline.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 13, 2014, 06:22:34 PM
It is legal here to hook up with first cousins, but I don't have any. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church forbids it, but I'm atheist.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 13, 2014, 06:33:12 PM
It does? I'm surprised that the Catholic Church is overly bothered about such things, given that it certainly wasn't bothered hundreds of years ago....

And, first cousins are legal here too, I believe. It's just kind-of borderline for what is acceptable.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 13, 2014, 06:40:48 PM
CL, it's basically like this:

- first cousin marriages are completely forbidden. No exceptions, no dispense to have a one.

- second cousin marriages need an approval from any bishop.

- third cousin marriages and onward are considered normal.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 13, 2014, 07:11:52 PM
Wow, I'm quite surprised, because such marriages were definitely very common in the past, especially amongst royalty and the like.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 13, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
It's the thing of the past, even an ancient and colossal religious organization like the Roman Catholic Church is undergoing evolution.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 13, 2014, 07:27:28 PM
Yeah, sure, I just didn't expect that making up new rules on incest that are considerably stricter than modern society would be part of that. In general, the Catholic Church's evolution tends to involve moderating its more completely-bat-shit-insane views to fit with reality and the modern world, and that doesn't really fit with this.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: lantzblades on April 13, 2014, 11:40:01 PM
Chemistry is definitely important, on the subject of incest, well I found I can write it but I would seriously prefer not to.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on April 14, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
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Yeah, sure, I just didn't expect that making up new rules on incest that are considerably stricter than modern society would be part of that. In general, the Catholic Church's evolution tends to involve moderating its more completely-bat-shit-insane views to fit with reality and the modern world, and that doesn't really fit with this.

It is all because of hemophilia outbreak among European royalty. People in late 19th century got convinced sex with cousins is something automatically detrimental for the off spring, while in reality the risk of genetic failure is comparable for women in early 40s like for first cousins being in a relationship.

http://www.wired.com/2008/12/cousinmarriage/ (http://www.wired.com/2008/12/cousinmarriage/)

I got the same info from two different sites (with the Polish one adding remark about 40 year old women vs first cousin marriages), but if there is need for that, I can dig it further.

So, the risk is there, but does not justify banning first cousin marriages.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Cherry Lover on April 14, 2014, 03:16:27 PM
Well, yeah, there is a risk there (alrthough not a massive one, as you point out), but there's also a risk in having sex without condoms, doesn't stop the Catholic Church opposing their use....

Also, note that, whilst cousin marriage is not a problem in itself, repeated cousin marriage in a group probably is (that's why royalty had such a problem despite never having siblings marry). What matters is the total amount of genetic diversity (i.e., how many unique ancestors you have). How exactly that lack of diversity comes about isn't necessarily that important.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: June on May 16, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Taking the power from a traumatic event is good therapy regardless of the event's source. It's not a joke or opinion it's measured science fact. In the case of victims of sexual abusive doing thing which empower them in the bedroom is a way to overcome the scars. I know this from research and several testimonials from victims themselves.
I've also heard that BDSM is used as an emotional healing agent to rape victims, It makes sense too as one can overcome previous trauma by bringing that very experience to others. Just like how my favorite character in all of media, Sakura had overcome her own trials.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: qwertyfatcat on May 17, 2014, 02:23:00 AM
Perhaps talking about BDSM and rape victims here might not be a good idea. There was a bit of outrage earlier on this thread. As for your statement June, I'm not much into the BDSM, so I can't really say anything about that, though that does sound like Sakura from HF.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on May 20, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
June is obviously baiting people.

Disregard him, he changes waifus on weekly basis.
Title: Re: ero&lemon discussion
Post by: Kat on February 16, 2015, 09:51:56 AM
I would recommend everyone to read Lunar Break Spilar by Frostyvale at BL, it's pretty good JeannexAstolfo lemon.