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Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2013, 05:07:22 PM »
Well yeah, elemental affinity actually means a lot.
With that the changes would be even more major than what you described.
- First off, as an Average One, Rin already has the attribute of water. So whatever alteration is done to her would be less severe. For example she might preserve her original eye and hair color which was said to be the result of this. Albeit knowing Zouken he might still do that just to make Rin look more like the member of the Matou house.
Second, Sakura's "shadow" element is fairly unique. Which means the Tohsaka family's knowledge and magic crest is going to be of little use. Sakura's magic would be mostly self-taught which has considerable effects on her skill in magecraft.
- Third, like its name implies, the "Shadow" in Heavens Feel was heavily based on Sakura's unique element. Same way her elemental affinity may have allowed Sakura to merge with Angra Mainyu better. With Rin's elemental mix the result would be much different. And I'm unsure if she can withstand Angra Mainyu's corruption for as long as Sakura did. Zouken in HF actually expected Sakura to turn into a mindless puppet from the corruption. And that might exactly be what happen if Sakura didn't have the element of "shadow".

So yeah. That's why when I wrote about "Tohsaka Sakura", I also exchanged their elemental affinity. This and I remember that part of Tokiomi's reasoning was that Sakura's shadow element is too unique and thus Rin is more fit to become the heir. So switching that is probably the most obvious way to change their roles.

Anyways, as for the differences between Rin and Sakura, I can only really address it in a dualist way.
- Rin puts up a strong front while being quite vulnerable inside. Sakura appeals to weakness while having a quite tough interior.
- Rin is upfront with her emotions albeit she isn't always aware of them. Sakura is clear of her emotions but she'd rather hide them.
- Rin's smile is scary because she's hiding her anger with it. Sakura's faked smile is frightening because it's filled with malicious intents.
- Rin is controlled by her rationale. Sakura follows her emotions.
- Rin is highly competitive. Sakura doesn't care about them (unless it's about something which is important to her).

And so on.
Some of these differences are the result of their history but to a degree they also stem from their core personality.
As for how I imagine "Tohsaka Sakura", she'd be well, similar yet different to Rin.
This is where the author's imagination can run wild.

Tohsaka Sakura would have none of Rin's tomboyish tendencies. Neither her tsundere persona.
In turn Sakura would be closer to the "rich girl" anime stereotype.
Sakura would be proud and even somewhat vain, which motivates her to be the best in everything.
She'd be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Soft spoken and appearing innocent, yet witty and rather manipulative.
Getting on her bad side can produce scary results. And she rarely forgets grudges.
Despite that Sakura is generally have good intentions. She just rarely holds back her punches.
Sakura would also be very protective of those close to her, and would plot behind the scenes to ensure their safety.
That includes her older sister Rin, albeit unfortunately Sakura's hands are mostly tied.
Still, she'd threaten Shinji and make sure he wouldn't dare to bully or mistreat Rin in school.

She'd be a rather intense character.
And of course this would be merely a mask.
Deep down she only wishes to live a normal and peaceful life.
After associating with a certain protagonist, Melting the Ice Queen cliches would ensure.

That's roughly my idea how I envison this alternate Sakura.
A stark contrast to Matou Sakura yet in essence very similar.
Naturally, other authors can try and use a whole different interpretation of her.
That's just how creative writing works.


 


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Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2013, 07:46:10 PM »
Different elemental affinities, so you'd probably see less fireblasts and more weird dimensional shit from TohSakura.

Yeah, definitely, although she'd still have Gandr since that's part of the crest.

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MakiRin... yeah, she'd fall later but harder. Assuming that some things stay the same, though, she'd project some kind of image to hide how broken she is on the inside, which might manifest itself as delinquent behavior a la Mitsuko Souma. That might actually lead to an interesting school situation, where super-nice school idol Sakura and bitch queen Rin constantly butt heads.

I don't see Rin being a "delinquent", simply because Zouken would not allow it. It reflects badly on the family and could get him in trouble. I definitely see her trying to hide her brokeness, but honestly I think she'd mostly just be Zouken's puppet, and wouldn't dare disobey him.

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Oh god. Evil dominatrix Rin sounds really fucking scary. She'd definitely be the type to set BFA on the school if she gets Rider... but a better match for this interpretation of Rin may actually be Medea. Which is, arguably, even worse.

I dunno, Rin is still fundamentally a good person. I can see her targetting those she hates, but not making an active decision to attack innocents. I think she might do it under Zouken's orders, though, if necessary.

Well yeah, elemental affinity actually means a lot.
With that the changes would be even more major than what you described.
- First off, as an Average One, Rin already has the attribute of water. So whatever alteration is done to her would be less severe. For example she might preserve her original eye and hair color which was said to be the result of this. Albeit knowing Zouken he might still do that just to make Rin look more like the member of the Matou house.
Second, Sakura's "shadow" element is fairly unique. Which means the Tohsaka family's knowledge and magic crest is going to be of little use. Sakura's magic would be mostly self-taught which has considerable effects on her skill in magecraft.
- Third, like its name implies, the "Shadow" in Heavens Feel was heavily based on Sakura's unique element. Same way her elemental affinity may have allowed Sakura to merge with Angra Mainyu better. With Rin's elemental mix the result would be much different. And I'm unsure if she can withstand Angra Mainyu's corruption for as long as Sakura did. Zouken in HF actually expected Sakura to turn into a mindless puppet from the corruption. And that might exactly be what happen if Sakura didn't have the element of "shadow".

Well, yeah, this is definitely one big difference.

Although, you're wrong about Rin not needing as much "training". She might be more attuned to the Matou's "water" element than Sakura is, but her family trait is still transfer of energy, and the Matou magic is specifically binding magic. Zouken would need to do just as much to her to make her a Matou magus as he did to Sakura, although once he had trained her she might be OK.

You're also wrong about Sakura using Tohsaka magic, at least as far as I can tell. It seems not at all uncommon for the children of a magus to have differing affinities from them (Tokiomi is fire, Rin and Sakura are different), and I can't believe that they would have designed their crest system in such a way that most of the magic in it would be useless in such a case.

The way I read the whole "affinity" thing is that, on a fundamental level, your affinity determines how you perform a particular spell rather than whether you can do it at all. A water magus and a wind magus can perform the same spells, but a water magus will do it in a "watery" way and a wind magus will do it in a "windy" way.

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So yeah. That's why when I wrote about "Tohsaka Sakura", I also exchanged their elemental affinity. This and I remember that part of Tokiomi's reasoning was that Sakura's shadow element is too unique and thus Rin is more fit to become the heir. So switching that is probably the most obvious way to change their roles.

Well, exchanging them definitely makes it make a lot more sense, because I can't see Tokiomi picking Sakura over Rin otherwise. Rin's elemental affinity is just too amazing, plus she's older.

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Anyways, as for the differences between Rin and Sakura, I can only really address it in a dualist way.
- Rin puts up a strong front while being quite vulnerable inside. Sakura appeals to weakness while having a quite tough interior.
- Rin is upfront with her emotions albeit she isn't always aware of them. Sakura is clear of her emotions but she'd rather hide them.
- Rin's smile is scary because she's hiding her anger with it. Sakura's faked smile is frightening because it's filled with malicious intents.
- Rin is controlled by her rationale. Sakura follows her emotions.
- Rin is highly competitive. Sakura doesn't care about them (unless it's about something which is important to her).

The thing is, most of this comes from their upbringings.

Firstly, Rin is clearly very emotional, despite her best efforts to avoid it. That's why she finds it so hard to do what she thinks she "should" do, and also where her Tsundere nature comes from. The reason she follows her "rationale" rather than her emotions is because that's the way of a magus. To be a true magus you have to do that, so a Tohsaka Sakura would necessarily do the same.

In terms of the "faked smile" thing, again, that's more a matter of upbringing. Both of them hide their intentions with that sort of grin, but Rin has more anger than Sakura does, whereas Sakura needs to be less sincere to survive under Zouken's control.

The competitiveness is the same, actually. The impression I get of Sakura is that she can be extremely competitive, but being under Zouken kills that somewhat because she really has nothing to compete for.

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Tohsaka Sakura would have none of Rin's tomboyish tendencies. Neither her tsundere persona.
In turn Sakura would be closer to the "rich girl" anime stereotype.
Sakura would be proud and even somewhat vain, which motivates her to be the best in everything.
She'd be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Soft spoken and appearing innocent, yet witty and rather manipulative.

Yeah, this possibly makes sense, although I doubt she'd be anything like as shy as she is in canon. Also, in so far as Rin is a "tomboy", I think that's almost required of her to be a magus. Magi have to be physically fit etc. in order to fight.

I think she would probably be somewhat more conservative in how she dresses etc., though.

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Getting on her bad side can produce scary results. And she rarely forgets grudges.

Honestly, not forgetting grudges sounds more like Rin's sort of thing than Sakura's. Sakura is a very forgiving person.

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Despite that Sakura is generally have good intentions. She just rarely holds back her punches.
Sakura would also be very protective of those close to her, and would plot behind the scenes to ensure their safety.
That includes her older sister Rin, albeit unfortunately Sakura's hands are mostly tied.
Still, she'd threaten Shinji and make sure he wouldn't dare to bully or mistreat Rin in school.

Yeah, this possibly makes sense. I see her being less inclined to hide behind the whole "I'm not allowed to speak to her" thing than Rin is. She also does seem a bit more secretive in her actions than Rin, so plotting stuff might perhaps make sense. Although, like you say, her intentions would always be good.

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She'd be a rather intense character.
And of course this would be merely a mask.
Deep down she only wishes to live a normal and peaceful life.
After associating with a certain protagonist, Melting the Ice Queen cliches would ensure.

Well, I'm not sure Sakura's true wish would be to "live a normal and peaceful life". I think that comes entirely from being abused for most of her childhood. She would definitely want a family and friends, much like Rin does, but I don't think she'd be eager to just give up magecraft.

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That's roughly my idea how I envison this alternate Sakura.
A stark contrast to Matou Sakura yet in essence very similar.
Naturally, other authors can try and use a whole different interpretation of her.
That's just how creative writing works.

Well, yeah, of course, it is ultimately personal opinion.
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Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2013, 05:40:59 AM »
So, in Prisma Ilya, when Ilya activates the Archer card for the first time, instead of creating Kuro, it summons EMIYA as a Servant.

Shenannigans ensure! 

Archer gets to see a reality where Ilya's pretty much a normal girl without an expiration date, Kiritsugu is still alive, and most importantly, Emiya Shirou does not want to become a Superhero.

However, while some things change, others stay the same when Rin proclaims that, like Ilya, Archer is hers to use to collect the Class cards.  And Ruby plays matchmaker in the most horrible ways possible.

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Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2013, 06:13:14 AM »
I've actually been batting around some ideas of a similar nature where Archer gets summoned by the Archer card, so I think this is an interesting idea. :) Plus more Ruby trolling. Ruby trolling is always fun. :3

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« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2013, 06:18:12 AM »
Well I just want to say that the cross over I had with fsn and ccs was developed long before this, as for prisms ideas I always thought one where shirou actually gets involved would be neat

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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2013, 07:37:36 AM »
Okay this is a really recent Idea I had, I will admit that it is far fetched and probably impossible. If I am willing to admit this at the start of the post, you can imagine just what my idea could be?

This idea features a version of Shirou, one that was offered a deal to change thing by the two deities of their world; Gain and Alaya. Shirou was basically given access to every noble phantasm he could copy and was allowed to add those he never could add to his arsenal before, such as Gilgamesh's Ea. Why are they doing all of this for one human? It is because of Shirou's character and willingness to forsake his own life for others, they are planing to change something. When the time came, Shirou was whisked away to a barren land where he met a very human Zelretch and learned of what he was going. Shirou was about to join Zelretch in his fight against Crimson Moon, it really made sense now as to way his arsenal got upgraded. However there was another slight twist and apparently this was an alternate universe where one thing had been changed, Crimson Moon was a woman. An incredibly lonely, attention starved woman in need of someone to look after her like a caretaker. The Battle occurred like it did in his realm, both he and Zelretch lost their Humanity to her. But when it was time to leave, Shirou opted to stay with her and be her friend. Neither of the two would realize the outcome this would have on the rest of the timeline, Saber's kingdom had yet to rise up and many other things as well.

In this story line the main pairings are: Past!Shirou x Sakura; Past!Shirou x Saber; Shirou x Female!Crimson Moon;

Shirou is an immortal vampire and the companion for a female!Crimson Moon, the two Brunestud girls; Altrouge & Arcueid would instead be their children. Thing would be different, some lives would be saved but others were impossible to be saved and some menaces would be taken care of before things got out of hand [Zouken].

Again i don't expect this idea to go very far, so if you guys want to pick it apart. Feel free to do so, it was a Crazy idea on my part after all.
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Re: Fanfic ideas thread
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2013, 02:45:53 AM »
What do you mean by "Past Shirou" here?

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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2013, 03:21:04 AM »
Past!Shirou basically means as in a previous relationship, so basically before all this he was with Saber and Sakura.
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2013, 03:34:24 AM »
Past!Shirou basically means as in a previous relationship, so basically before all this he was with Saber and Sakura.

Oh, OK, so that is part of the backstory rather than an actual pairing?

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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2013, 06:42:53 AM »
Aye. Shirou will be the companion/lover/guardian of this female crimson moon, but that does not he doesn't have a thing for them and will probably meet them at least twice on different terms.
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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2013, 01:07:47 PM »
Hmm, so, would Shirou be the only FSN character with a prominent role here?

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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2013, 12:54:43 AM »
Ok, crimson moon I get, Shirou with crimson I get but the number of physics that get broken with the case of zel and shirou being around at the same time and the lack of logic with arc is stunning. I'd put the idea on the shelf of stuff that's too crazy to write.

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« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2013, 04:16:09 AM »
I already stated that it may be too far fetched to work, but the main way I figured was Gaia and Alaya sending Shirou to help Zelretch before he met Crimson Moon in combat.

But yeah, It is got shelved.

We need a list of Shelved Ideas, Plots and Pairings for future reference because the Shirou x Female!Crimson Moon just joined the impossible pairings list. Not disappointed by this, I expected that it would get shot down like this but I needed to get the idea out of my head.
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« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2013, 04:52:44 AM »
The pairing isn't the issue honestly

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« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2013, 01:03:09 PM »
If its not the pairing than what is the issue than?
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