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ero&lemon discussion
« on: November 10, 2013, 07:36:07 PM »
Given that Fate and Tsukihime is an ero novel I thought it's high time we had a discussion regarding lemons. From the novel itself to what you want to read pairing wise from other writers on site or in general.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 04:42:14 AM »
Should discussing a title for a lemon go here, or to the 'Trouble with titles' thread?  There's one I've been discussing with Cherry lover that needs one, and at last check, neither of us had come up with one.  Once I have a bit more, I was thinking of posting the start in this thread, to see what people thought, and getting a title for it would seem to be part of that.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 04:45:43 AM »
If you're looking for a title specifically then it would go in the "trouble with titles" thread. If you want to discuss the fic more generally, then it would go here.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2013, 04:48:03 AM by Cherry Lover »

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 05:43:05 PM »
Just to kick things off, I don't have a favorite pairing, in my case when it comes to lemons I just want happy stories. If I had to have a preference it would be that the villains are never given screen time. I hate ntr and the like. When writing lemons I'm more partial to Shirou then Archer because I see Archer in my head as locked in with Rin and not other girls.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 01:50:21 AM »
Well, my favourite pairing is Shirou x Sakura, but in terms of lemon scenes I tend to like things involving Sakura, Rider (although not really with Shirou except as a threesome, since I think that would really hurt Sakura) and sometimes Rin (in Rin's case mainly with another girl, or BDSMy stuff).

Also, anything BDSMy, especially involving those characters. In general, the more hardcore it is the better. I do like extreme sadism, as well as humiliation, domination etc. Generally, I prefer the girl to be on the receiving end, but I do also like things where the guy is the sub.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2013, 01:51:54 AM by Cherry Lover »

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 10:36:30 PM »
I am a pervert. I'll leave my preferences at that.

Something I always found helpful for lemons was when writing, to leave focus on one specific body part or action per paragarph, wax a bit of poetic, but generally avoid words like "member", "penis", "vagina", etc., directly referring to those body parts runs a risk of triggering a readers personal filters and emotional contexts for those words, some people find the word penis too clinical for a scene of passionate sex, but others find words like member to be too overused/silly. To my mild surprise, the breasts and nipples don't seem to have this problem, though the word "boobs" is generally considered too silly for passionate scenes.

While the usual things about good writing are all required, good pacing, flowing diction, in character, easy to visualize, etc. are all important, I found that word choice and ease of visualization were more important than anything else. Good pacing is also high up there, but can be let slide if it's HAWT, and people tend to not mind how in-character people are when they're reading about their SEXORZ. Being vague is your friend, as letting the person visualize things as they think is hottest allows the most powerfully erogenous organ to do its job, the brain.

These are general trends obviously, but something I've noticed in my readings of lemons and their comments/reviews as well as my own forays into them in different fandoms.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 02:54:30 AM »
Yeah, I do think that characterisation tends not to be something people worry too much about when reading porn. Certainly I tend to be quite OK reading H doujins where I know damn well Sakura is horribly OOC.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 10:23:46 PM »
H doujins have the visual aspect though. For text, to keep the reader immersed you need to be able to make them image the characters and have them be at least somewhat believable to not make them go wait what and break the constructed image.

Either that or you can write stuff in a way that is really boner tingling so people straight up skip the dialog to hear about how character A is fucking character b in the bathroom against the mirror for added visuals.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 12:20:10 AM »
I'd really say that dialogue/IC-ness is only really required for setting up the scene for the sexies (in purely pr0nz works, in works with pr0nz as a side note, it's obviously more important). Once you get BONER MODE ACTIVATED you can let stuff slide because PENIS DOES WHAT PENIS WANTS. Effectively at least.

From my experience, you need enough (of all the things) to avoid breaking SoD, but otherwise it's not hugely important to the lemon itself.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 10:51:34 PM »
Well, I think it depends. If you're talking about stuff like sexual preferences, people will probably let that slide if it leads to good porn (I've never seen anyone who claimed to dislike a PWP fic solely on the basis that the characters would never find each other attractive, or would never perform the act in question). If you're talking about basic characterisation, though, I think it does matter. If someone starts acting completely OOC, it breaks the immersion and ruins the concept that you're reading about that character having sex.

Even then, though, I think it depends somewhat on the character, and on the reader. If you're a strong fan of one character and you're reading the porn primarily for that character, you're probably not going to be too bothered if the rest are OOC and, similarly, a lot of people won't be overly bothered if the character of their own gender (in a straight pairing, I mean) is somewhat OOC because a lot of the time they're basically projecting theirself onto that character anyway.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 01:52:54 AM »
I'm sad that there's not much Archer (Or Lancer even) lemon fanfic out there. 

At least that I didn't write.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 02:25:31 AM »
Yeah, I'd say the same about Sakura, particularly of the BDSM variety. Most of what is there is stuff I requested somehow, and now I can't really even do that....

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 12:26:17 PM »
BDSM Sakura? Dunno about others, but I find BDSM with a rape victim involved disturbing. I would rather read Dead Apostle Sakura sucking on Sempai's blood.
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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 01:11:36 PM »
Personally I don't at all (indeed, I think it is not uncommon even in real life for abuse victims to enjoy BDSM), but I think it's not an uncommon feeling, which is why I think most Sakura fans don't write porn of that form.

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Re: ero&lemon discussion
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2014, 07:01:42 PM »
Mike, your tastes also tend pretty damn extreme on the BDSM side.

Needles.txt anyone?